Caylee/Casey Anthony Case: Conway and the Anthonys Lose in Court-Autopsy Released
Orlando, FL– Appearing in Court today at 11am, Brad Conway, attorney for George and Cindy Anthony, argued unsuccessfully against the release of the autopsy report in the death of their granddaughter, 34 month old Caylee Marie Anthony.
As reported exclusively at blinkoncrime.com in the second installment of the Scamthony Series, I am at a loss as to how this motion made the docket in the first place, let alone how Judge Strickland felt compelled to stay it’s release.
Late afternoon yesterday, a Notice of Provisional In Camera review was filed by Conway, presumably to request Judge Strickland review the report in camera, and hopefully find it prejudicial and sealing it for that reason. This backdoor strategy is in lieu of a request from the only person with standing to autopsy be sealed, Casey Anthony.
Appearing in court first George Anthony made an empassioned plea to Stan Strickland that he seal the autopsy and give his family “some dignity.”
Conway argued that the release does not contain any new information and it’s release will only further damage Caysey criminal trial Linda Drubnick, Prosecuting Attorney in the criminal case against Casey Anthony, objected that he does not represent her and the Anthony’s have no standing.
Arguing for the Sentinel, Ms. Fugate asked George Anthony how many TV appearances he and his wife have made regarding this case, George answered he had no idea.
Strickland found the matter cut and dry based on the Public Information legislation, and denied Conways motion.
Enter Baez. I am not kidding. Once the motion was denied Baez requested a 48 hour stay for the defense to decide if they would file a motion to seal on Casey’s behalf. WTH you say? Nothing more than his puppetteering Conway to file this motion in the hopes it succeeded. God Forbid his Client look like she was bothered by the release and filing it herself.
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*headdesk, headdesk, headdesk, headdesk*
WTH
WTF
Not that we didn’t see this coming but still……..
Good work, Blinkie. You called it.
Blink–
So when is this information going public? Will the results be released today?
Excellent summary! I found George rather disingenuous, weeping one minute, answering questions calmly the next, Baez pathetic (and somewhat hilarious), and Cindy’s head shaking sort of satisfying. Not to mention Conway’s rolling away from Baez like he had the plague, very funny. Good call for Judge Strickland.
I use to have some sympathy for what Cindy and George where going through, but after listening to him on the morning show the other day I now have ZERO empathy for these people. They’re hypocrites and they lie. I know where Casey got it from.
Blink, please set me straight if I am wrong, but it seems to me Judge Strickland is “bending over backward” to appease (maybe wrong word) Baez and the Anthonys since the beginning. Do judges normally have hearings re a motion as a courtesy to the Anthonys?!? Also, not requesting a copy of POA, putting up with all the Baez inappropriate written and oral bunglings? I’m all for proceedings geared in such a way to avoid appeals, but come on!! Can we just judge based on the rule of law? If so, won’t that avoid appeals?!? Please correct me if I am wrong… just wondering if this crap will be allowed to continue ad infintium. THANKS
Yep, I agree. He has, in fact, so much so that Baez counted on it today. He gambled and lost. Everything I need to know about what’s going on with these people was played out for all to see today. I will never understand why he played this out this way.
B
Excellent commentary Blink!! Thank you, as always, I enjoy your point of view and comments.
And here is the best part of the hearing, from Brad:
# Brad: “Anthony’s have made appearances for their Foundation. Not about the contents of the autopsy report.”
# Judge: “This is all I need to hear.”
And there is the reason for the motion folk’s
Blink-yep,the ants coulda won an oscar for that performance - thank God we won’t see the dancing Stricklands - at least not yet…Kudos to the judge for having the b’s to do what is right. Yay for our side!
Hooray………not that I really care to see it, but I sure hate the way the Anthony’s always seem to get what they want! I don’t believe there will be anything new, but I sure would like to read what a professional has to say! Was George pouting when he left the courtroom in such a hurry? He didn’t even seem to wait for Spindy…..afterall, he needs her….she’s still carrying his balls around in her purse!
ROTFL
B
“Baez requested a 48 hour stay”
Missed it. Did the judge permit this? If Strickland already stated “It is just findings and medical examiner’s reports. No photos, Information is just factual. No editorializing”,sounds like he won’t rule in favor of Baez anyway. Let it go.
SPLITTING THE DIFFERENCE,Blink,didn’t work.
? Nope.
B
George shook Cindys hand off when she tried to hold it - then got up and took off without waiting for her - maybe his famous temper got the better of him - or he and Cindy are on the outs privately, only putting on a show publicly of togetherness.
I found the Judge saying he “was sorry” inappropriate. The law is the law - whats he sorry about? He could say something to the effect that he has sympathy for the victims of crime if he wants - but I dont see the need for him to apologise to the Anthonys.
Blink you JUST MUST have a visual for this somewhere/sometime in the series PLEESE… I know your rule about ‘original content’ won’t be violated, as we enjoyed in the original artwork of the fuzz-car-bobbleyheads. Of course, maybe the subject of the child is too close on this one, but Baez should be fair game for his antics.
I bet Strickland saw what was coming post-Anthony motion, Cindy sending gratuitous lenthy threatening telephone messages (well, she shouldn’t have his chambers number, should she), or via media-messages to rant against Judge Strickland. She could say ‘he didn’t even ask the media’ if they would allow us to get away with this (Cindy got away with the media arguement for the depo delays in civil).
Judge Rodriguez HAD to be aware of this courtroom drama come Baez-comedy.
(WHO ASKED if the results will be released today???!??!??! (Read the full story, then ask again!!!)
HEY BLINK..OK, I KNOW YOU WANTED TO GET YOUR ARTICLE OUT BUT I AM SURE THAT WHEN LINDA DRANE BURDICK READS YOUR REPORT SHE WILL PROBABLY TAKE OFFENSE THAT YOU RE-NAMED HER LINDA “DRUBNICK” ( A FORMER YUGOSLAVIAN CITY??)..
ANYWAY, I WAS SO DELIGHTED THAT BRAD CONWAY WAS DE-BALLED TODAY IN COURT..NICE TRY BOZO BAEZ TRYING TO DISGUISE CINDY AND GEORGINA’S MOTION AS YOUR MOTION TO RESTRICT THE RELEASE OF THE AUTOPSY RESULTS..WHAT A VILLAGE IDIOT BOZO BAEZ IS..DUHHHH..IF BOZO REALLY WANTED IT SEALED , HE SHOULD HAVE FILED A MOTION WEEKS AGO!
ALSO, ON A CATTIER NOTE, DID YOU NOTICE WHEN GEORGINA WAS SPEWING HIS NONSENSE AND “CRYING” HIS CROCODILE TEARS, THAT JUDGE STRICKLAND DID NOT EVEN LOOK AT HIM?…IT WAS A PATHETIC DISPLAY OF A BALL-LESS EUNICH ORCHESTRATED BY “HE-WOMAN” CINDY IN ORDER TO OBVIOUSLY MANIPULATE THE COURT…NOBODY DESERVED TO GET SWATTED DOWN MORE THAN THESE MEDIA-HO’S!!!!!!
This was one more event in the ‘media tour’, as real as it is for the Anthony’s, they brought a photo of Caylee along, and to be symbolic for themselves, or a private comfort, but watch how George uses this photo as cameras shift to them during the judge’s ruling and Baez’s chat with the judge.
Go to 14.00 minutes to 14:15 to see how Caylee’s photo does not face George, it is faced to the CAMERA! And that continues through the end of the hearing as the camera op is taken, the photo angled appropriately. Why use the baby’s memory this way– why not use the baby’s photo for your own comfort, private comfort, during the hearing. Nope– it has to be set up for cameras.
Although the autopsy release is probably a bit grim, people (George and Cindy) may choose not to read it, so the argument that it causes emotional distress to them is ridiculous. The other argument that a fact-based medical report can damage Casey’s case is also a joke. God forbid the facts come out! If she is truly innocent as they all claim, the facts should exonerate not hurt her.
Can they bring photos like this into the trial? Wear buttons, green t-shirts with a shamrock, all well known icons of the Casey-Camp?
oh oh, Baez missed the boat…. autopsy report here:
http://www.wftv.com/pdf/19801498/detail.html
oh yes there is something new : duct tape is believed to be placed before decomposition started
thats heinous! and aggravated!!
Thanks, blink!
I really respect Judge Strickland and his demeanor in the face of the Anthony Circus. But really, it’s time to shut them down and make them do things right-you know, the way everyone else has to do it.
wow, does this not rule out accident?
Blink: Do you think we will get a cause of death from the autopsy report, assuming that’s why C & G don’t want it released? Also, do you know when/where these findings will be announced the public? TIA
you were right blink that the duct tape evidence would be the definitve
Hi Blink,
Where can I see the video of today’s autopsy hearing?
Thanks
Blink, do you think one reason that George was under oath today, rather than Cindy, was your thought that the Anthony’s had knowledge of the report from Baez, and that this would actually be only Cindy. George could not have answered the question ‘have you read the report?’ in cross truthfully had he read it. If Baez did share it, it would only have been with Cindy, so George could have known second hand, but be in a position to answer ‘no’ to the cross question.
I think George testified because people hate him less, to be honest.
B
ok i know h lee,and boden get their take but i wasnt expecting this.
http://www.wftv.com/pdf/19801498/detail.html
AUTOPSY REPORT!!
sad very very sad,i feel absolute sorrow for caylee
Just read some of the report released, spent the entire time crying. Poor Caylee is all i can muster to say right now. Just a baby…she was JUST A BABY for crying out loud!!!! How can the person that did this even wake up in the morning??
Blink, I just read through the autopsy reports (what was available) and the image I got in my mind of poor Caylee Marie’s body being eaten by animals while decomposing (thus the scattering of bones) is just too much to bear. I know we all speculated on that part but seeing it in writing along with “several” layers of duct tape around her mouth put there prior to decomposition just sickens me. The Anthony’s didn’t want this released because it just re-enforces the question “how can you defend Casey after knowing what happened to Caylee especially when the evidence came from your own house??”
HIP HIP HORRRRAAAAYYYYY, they didn’t get their way!!!!! LOL
i now actually don’t blame the a’s for taking a chance at this motion and i believe their emotion to be real & georges’ statement matches the emotion for once.
Jan, yes Georgie was pitchin’ another fit as he ran out of the Courtroom…I heard the door slam! Funny how they had the waterworks going and as soon as they realized they weren’t gonna get their way I could see the anger coming out.
WFTV.COM has 11 pages of the Autopsy that I read. Basically the only thing I noticed is that yes, Caylee had been there since June and that the duct tape was wrapped around her skull unlike what Conway & the Ant’s had said on LKL. The report did say the tape was put on before decomp…does this mean Dr G isn’t sure if the tape was put on before or after Caylee’s death?
Before appreciable decomp, yes, but impossible to tell if anti or post mortem. My personal feeling is post to stage an appearance of a kidnapping.
B
I am glad it is released. I don’t really care to read it but will if Blink makes me. I am more thrilled that the A’s asked for a state law to be ignored so they can have special treatment and got KO’ed. I have not read the new article yet but saw the picture of Brad hanging out of the garbage can on page 1 of B.O.C. Did George or Cindy do that to him? Was a hammer involved? Flood? Tornado? Aliens? Locusts? At this point I am ready to believe anything, no matter how wild, without even fact checking. I reckon next they are going to claim they won the Powerball but lost the ticket and are filing a motion in traffic court to get the winnings awarded to them anyway. (Insert disgusted icon here)
I reckon SS is going home tonight for a stiff drink in a tall glass.
LOL.
B
B, do you think the duct tape was put on there to appear to be a kidnapping…..so that’s why they are still leaning toward the nanny did it defense…….or was it put there to keep decomp fluids from leaking out in the trunk while the body was still in there? Gross I know but so is the fact that the body was dragged around by animals while still intact!
Yes
B
Shaye………Georgetta is a hothead, no doubt about it! And, Spindy is just………..WELL, crazy as hell!
Red Ranger, the REAL reason you don’t see the face appearing out of the garbage can in time for media to catch it, is the duct tape on mouth. (now wouldn’t we love a law to proclaim that lawyer’s can be subjected to duct taping of the mouth from time to time?>>>>>>> I know I would.
Blink, I’ve been lurking on Scared Monkeys and I have no doubt that you “know your Stuff”. However, is it a possibility that Casey arrived at the Anthony home just as Cindy and Caylee had finished swimming and then the fight started. Casey put clothes on Caylee over her swimmie and left the house with her on the night of the 15th. Then she put the duct tape over her mouth and nose and put her in the trunk, in a fit of rage?
I suppose it is possible, but not what i believe personally.
B
>>The autopsy report stated:
Several overlapping pieces of duct tape, over the anterior portion of the lower skull, including the mandible and a portion of the maxilla.
>>Here’s what those body parts represent:
The alveolar process of the maxilla holds the upper teeth, and is referred to as the maxillary arch. The maxilla attaches laterally to the zygomatic bones (cheek bones).
The maxilla assists in forming the boundaries of three cavities:
the roof of the mouth
the floor and lateral wall of the nasal antrum
the floor of the orbit
***********
Ok, now we know little Caylee’s nose was also covered in this duct tape. Being it is 2 inches wide, just centering over the mouth would certainly have restricted her breathing…probably all together.
What a monster Casey truly is!!!
In response to comment number 13, at least I think it was 13.. I think the A’s were definitely using the picture, but not so much for the media as they were for themselves. I felt as if George had to see Caylee’s face to muster any remotely real emotions. As for him being the one giving a statement. I agree with Blink, I immediately thought it’s because some people hate George less, and are more likely to believe his emotional put on. I personally hate them both equally.
“There is nothing inconsistent with the body being placed there soon after the date of being last seen alive.”
In other words, Casey tossed her away like garbage soon after she decomposing corpse started to smell. I wonder how many days she lay in that trunk before her mother threw her out.
The duct tape placed prior to decomposition, which means it was at the time of death or directly afterward. It may even have suffocated Caylee to death.
I am sick. My heart is aching, I am ready to cry. I am so grief-stricken. That poor, pathetic, beautiful baby. How could this have happened to such a little angel? Her mother is a monster.
I wonder if the Anthonys comprehend the duct tape findings. No doubt the duct tape matches a roll found in their home with Casey’s fingerprints on it. The Winnie the Pooh blanket, from Caylee’s own bedroom, the shirt gone, only the letters BIG TROUBLE COMES IN SMALL…, the canvas laundry bag, the two black garbage bags with yellow ties. How can the Anthonys stand to defend Casey when they have to KNOW all these items came from their own home?
I do not understand them.
I really want to know what you believe. Do you think Casey left the house on the 15th or the 16th. Do you think she went back to the house and put Caylee in the pool to drown her? Why? To rid herself of Caylee, period? Or to frame her parents? I think it all had to be a “done deal” by the night of the 16th, when she was at Block Buster with Tony.
Caylee was killed the night of the 15th or the 16th. Body tossed in the woods on the 18th. That accounts for the 2.+ days of decomp in the car. The one thing that gets me is the Cindy never recognized that one of her laundry bags was missing. And I also heard that the outfit George described last seeing Caylee in (pink top and jean skirt, I think?) was found in Caylee’s closet. Blink is this true?
Actually I disagree. I think Caylee was in the trunk the night of the 16th and 17th, and placed in the backyard on the 18th and buried under the playhouse.
B
I am always so interested in hearing your take on things! I have been a long time lurker and always come to blinkoncrime to hear everyone’s insights. What day do you think the body was dumped in the woods? Didn’t the neighbor say that she backed her car in the garage on the 18th? And also didn’t the neighbor state she backed her car in the garage on a few different days? I think the precise timeline for those days June 15th, 16th, 17th, 18th, etc. will be so important in the procecution’s case when presenting to a jury taking into account cell phone activity, witnesses, text messaging, laptop and desktop activity.
Continue the fight for justice B and supporters. I’ve been trying to keep up with all the very impressive sleuthing. The autopsy report was read with a heavy heart and brought to mind the secretly recorded conversation between Tony and Lee. I was stated that Casey had started to compulsively lie as early as middle school. I think the fact that the Anthonys did not seek help for Casey back then or at any time since is the real tragedy because; as blink said, Caylee’s only hope would have been her daddy. I think the moral of the Anthony’s story is beware of pride, vanity and greed.
C
You know pardon my expression but someone must really be a dumb$SS to think they could bury their daughter under a playhouse in their parent’s backyard and get a way with it. And for someone to think the whole Zanny the Nanny thing is believable is ludicrous too! She is delusional. Two things I know to be true…1)Casey killed Caylee and 2)to quote her friend “she is not that smart…” The sad thing is that her parents are acting like they believe her. Emphasis on acting. They must really think everyone’s a moron to believe their lies! It’s almost pathetic.
I was glad to hear that no photos were mistakenly released as was rumored earlier.
No bombshells as far as I can see (sort of scanned the autopsy). Experts will be arguing the time frame as far as vegetative growth & insect pupae. The duct tape was disturbing, but we knew about that before. Dr Baden has already come out and said that it was a “leap’ to consider it (duct tape) an act of premeditation, and I agree. However, if you argue that it isn’t an act of premeditation then you seem to be arguing some level of involvement (even after the fact) of the client, rather than SODD. Unless you are going to argue that someone else unknown/known killed her by mistake or accident which is just odd. Of course everything will be run up the flagpole to see what flies as reasonable doubt.
As an aside, and for what it is worth, I believe that the Anthonys suffer from a mental illness/condition that would explain some of their actions and behavior. I am frustrated at times, but do not feel the disdain that others do towards them.
Blink, I have long thought that Caylee was placed somewhere before being put in the woods. However, I always a hard time imagining Casey burying her in the back yard, because it’s near impossible to put the St Augustine grass back into place so that it was not a dead patch on July 16 when LE inspected the property. Not to mention the tough work involved in removing sod and re-leveling the area - twice.
But under the playhouse; it’s just possible for me to imagine a desperate Casey accomplishing that.
I am assuming that George did a little excavating and used a layer of leveling sand in order to seat the playhouse level when it was first set up. There might be little or no roots under the playhouse to contend with.
Blink, was the playhouse relocated to a different spot in the yard in late June/early July, then the original playhouse site paved?
Blink, you’ve got a great website that I get wrapped up in like the rest of your regulars. I’ve got a medical background so I’m admittedly a bit more ‘hardened’ to forensics. Having read the autopsy report, if one takes the 16th as date of death, it’s the realization & images conjured up that eat at me the most. Little Caylee was probably skeletonizing, with her body parts dragged around by neighborhood cats (for example) by the 23rd (at latest, 30th).. while Casey was drinking it up at nightclubs. And as an RN, $Cindy$ has the background to fully appreciate the autopsy report - moreso than George so isn’t it interesting that she hung back, as provacative as she usually is. very telling. Send in George to do the really dirty work.
I too think Caylee first died in the trunk, & may have dipped her in the pool to ensure that she was dead before she wrapped the duct tape around her skull & basically ‘gift wrapped’ her & buried her there at the Anthonys by the 18th, then used the neighbor’s shovel to get her remains & subsequently dump her body off Suburban. The body fluids permeating the trunk liner were sufficient to cause the strong decomp smell given the heat/weather in FL last June… & gasoline was quite clever & useful to use to try to mask chloroform smell, both being hydrocarbons, but wasn’t enough to do a complete job this time.
I do not believe for a second that Caylee’s remains, which imo were in trash bags buried under the playhouse, were drug anywhere. Those dogs would have hit everywhere. I have seen them work.
B
Just when you think you have heard it all, read it all, seen it all…. COMES Dominic Casey with Orwell and Clockwork Orange!!!!
Gotta love those M&M lawyers!!!!
http://www.wftv.com/pdf/19803207/detail.html
Honest to Christ these people.
If Dom Casey ever read Orwell I will eat a petrified squirrel you know what.
B
I ALSO THINK CASEY WAS A COMPLETE MORON TO TRY TO BURY THE CHILD IN THE BACKYARD??..IN HINDSIGHT, IT WAS A SHAME THAT THE DIRT WAS TOO HARD FOR CASEY TO DIG THRU , WHEREBY ,CASEY JUST GAVE UP AND TOSSED CAYLEE INTO THE TRUNK…
CAN YOU IMAGINE HOW DIFFERENT THINGS WOULD HAVE GONE DOWN , HAD SHE BEEN SUCCESSUFL IN HER ATTEMPT TO BURY CAYLEE IN THE BACK YARD??….LAW ENFORCEMENT WOULD HAVE FOUND HER BODY WITHIN THE WEEK AND THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN THE END OF IT…
Blink, the body had to be moved from under the playhouse to the ‘pet cemetary’ area on Suburban, IMO before skeltonization was complete yet after the 18th. The little animals skurrying around the final dumping site, Suburban, is what I was referring to - & it was during this period of time that Casey was dirty dancing at the nightclubs. Not while the body was still at the Anthonys - the Yorkies weren’t involved. Sorry for the confusion.
nope, that’s ok I believe she moved her on the 23rd.
B
HEY BLINK…SO, ARE YOU SAYING THAT THE ENTIRE BODY WAS TOTALLY BURIED?..BECAUSE FROM WHAT I READ THERE WAS ONLY A SMALL DEPRESSION IN THE GROUND FROM BEING DUG OUT–IMPLYING THAT THE BODY WAS NEVER FULLY BURIED THERE (DESPITE THE BODY HAVING RESTED ON THE GROUND IN THE GROUND IN THAT PLACE)…I BELIVE THE GROUND WAS VERY SOLID PACKED AND TOO HARD TO DIG FOR CASEY?…WHERE DID YOU GET THAT INFORMAION THAT HER WHOLE BODY WAS BURIED UNDER THE PLAYHOUSE?
THANKS J
It is my opinion. Keep in mind the playhouse does not have a bottom. And the A’s moved that yard all around and repotted, etc the weekend of the 4th. There is no way to know for sure what that yard looked like then. I firmly believe on July 3rd that family found something that led them to believe Casey/Caylee were in danger of some kind
B
Whats the big deal? Why would the grandparents want to SHAME the memory of Caylee by covering up the facts?
George and Cindy Anthony have been on Larry King at least twice, and other large TV outlets. George holding the picture of Caylee to the courtroom camera and balling is just too much. Cindy shaking her head over the top.
Blink, yeah, the body was in some state of decomposition for a time in the trunk, obviously not just overnight or one day….
Riding in on white steeds ! The M&M law firm is the John Wayne figure in this tragicomedy. God Bless ‘em !! Dom Casey obviously didn’t read G & $C$’s M&M depos, did he? …hey Dom, the village of Mechanicsville VA needs its idiot back! gawd!
Right. Another deposition with my boyfriend John Morgan I can’t wait for.
B
I always assumed that Casey was searching for a secluded place to discard the body on June 16 & 17. But she did not find a place where she felt confident enough to transfer the body without being seen.
If she did bury under the playhouse, it may or may not have been done as a temporary solution. She’s no genius, but Casey does have some cunning and she’s bold.
Roy Kronk’s comment that the swampy woods so near the Anthony house was a natural dumping ground because the smell of the water is so strong, was, well, spot on.
Steph, with regard to Cindy & George Anthony, after having spent Casey’s entire life dealing with her sociopathy & narcissism; now Casey murdering of their granddaughter, it’s my opinion they’re lost. This last atrocity has sent them both over the edge. They simply cannot cope with this.
Blink, why do you think Casey killed Caylee? Leonard Padilla says he thinks it was an accident. Casey just wanted to knock Caylee out with chloroform so she could party. If that were true, wouldn’t Casey have rushed Caylee to the ER? If she hadn’t intended to kill her child, surely she would have done something to try to save her.
I think she did it to hurt Cindy. She was so jealous of the love Cindy had for her child, resentful of their relationship, that after the argument they had the night of the 15th(?), she killed Caylee to deprive Cindy of the most precious thing in her life. Purely evil spite, that’s my take. What’s yours?
I am going to preface this by saying everything Leonard thinks he got from me. I am totally serious and a bit busting my friend LP, but it’s true. He even held out on the chloroform till like 2 months ago. He is wicked smart, but a bit narrow if he thinks he is right, well, kinda like me. Yes, I think it was a negligent accident. I dont think she planned this except in the legal sense of premeditation being a split second. I am the craziest idealist of all. I dream of the day I hear about a pressr and everyone in this family says “We lied” “We will be punished and have all our assets removed” and “Please forgive us as human beings that lost our grandchild at the hands of her Mother, the child we enabled and feel partially responsible as a result”
I know, a girl can dream.
B
Bombshell!!! Please make a point to read the Report of Osteological Analsysis that was released today along with Caylee’s Autopsy Report.
If you will go to the third paragraph of the third page of this document, you will find the following notation:
“A hair mat was noted at the base of the skull and grayish colored tape was noted covering the mouth and nasal aperture areas.”
Not so fast there Stoc-
What if that was done post mortem, which I believe it was.
BIt is impossible for anyone to breathe if his or her mouth and nose are covered with duct tape. It therefore follows that Caylee’s cause of death was asphixiation. Even death by chloroform would have been preferable. What a cruel and horrible way to murder a trusting, innocent and defenseless two-year-old child!
http://www.wftv.com/pdf/19801867/detail.html
Post #52, Blink’s comments; I hadn’t heard about the Anthony’s repotting and moving things around in their back yard on July 3rd, having discovered something that alarmed them. Why didn’t they locate Casey then, why did they wait 2 weeks? Or were they looking and couldn’t find her?
This story just keeps getting worse and worse.
Blink, if I read you right, you surmise that Casey chloroformed Caylee to knock her out, then put Caylee unconcious in the trunk of her car, left her there knocked out for a period of time, and returned later to discover her dead? Or do you think the child died immediately after being chloroformed and Casey threw her body in the trunk to hide it? Either way, Casey did not attempt to save her child’s life by calling paramedics or taking her to a hospital.
That’s the hole in this theory, where was the attempt to revive the child or call for help? If she wasn’t trying to kill the child, wouldn’t you think she’d rush the kid to the ER? She’s quite the liar, I’m sure she could have come up with some story to cover her tracks. What’s your entire theory of the crime?
NO.
Personally I do not believe Caylee was ever chloroformed. Ever
B
The hair was ‘tied’ at the ends, so that goes to George’s statement that her hair was in a ponytail when she left. Whether he was telling this for some other reason than seeing Caylee or not, the hair being ‘tied’ would mean the baby was not put to bed as normal to sleep for the night with that ‘tie’ being in it. So might indicate that the baby died some time after she was up for the day, hair brushed and neatly gathered into a ponytail. Or, someone didn’t bother to do that before bedtime. Cindy had said that they always bathed the baby in the morning (FBI interviews). George didn’t say anthing about a bath for the baby that morning.
(maybe he better add that to his list of things he needs to remember about the ‘truth’ of that day, just to clarify, ya know)
Hey… here’s a thought. Florida isn’t a ‘winter’ state, so the playhouse could be out there year round. Maybe Google earth photos were not taken in the year where Caylee was old enough to have her playhouse yet– it’s been about 3 or 4 years. But IF there are satellite photos, like the Google Earth mapping photos, that were taken while the play house was in the yard, but before the July revamping of the back yard, it would show how the structures (including a play house) were located in the yard.
I came full circle today after reading the FBI report and no longer believe it was an accident. Two things stood out:
1. The levels of chloroform found in the trunk were, in fact, unusually high. A normal adult human decomposition has a concentration in the low parts per trillion range. The trunk sample had a concentration measured in the low parts per million range. Both sound small, but the trunk sample was one million times greater than normal adult decomposition. The FBI also tested a sample taken from a Montana case where a woman left her child’s body in the trunk for three months. NO chloroform was found. The FBI report strongly suggests that KC - as lazy as she might be - actually did use chloroform on Caylee.
In my personal opinion, KC put some amount of chloroform on the Winnie-The-Pooh blanket and placed it with either a napping Caylee or to cause her to “nap”. Once “out cold”, she put duct tape over her mouth and nose to suffocate her. The Osteological report from Dr. Schultz clearly indicates tape was found over the nose area. At any rate, this could be a reason why the blanket was found with the body but no other things Caylee cared about, such as her doll.
2. Chemicals associated with human decomposition were found on the paper towels that were taken from the trash bag that had initially been found in the Pontiac trunk. Chemicals associated with marijuana were also found on those paper towels. It appears that at some point KC attempted to clean the stain with the paper towels and shoved them into the trash bag, which she probably put into the trunk as an excuse for the smell.
So…I think KC killed Caylee the afternoon of the 16th with a Winnie-the-Pooh blanket soaked (in part) with chloroform and then, when she was sure Caylee was out cold, KC duct-taped her to suffocate her. After Caylee was dead she stuffed her into some trash bags along with the weapon (the blanket) and put them in a laundry bag so as not to draw suspicion when she carried the bag out to the car and put it in the trunk.
Problem is…chloroform rapidly degrades plastic, and did so with the plastic bags. Decompositional fluid leaked into the trunk from the corrupted bags and that, my friends, is history.
Very plausible, and your insight as usual, stellar.
Can I throw this out for your consideration:
1) Chlorofrom levels are from Casey dumping the chloroform into the trunk to attempt to mask the smell, as she did the petral. Did you note te gas based redings from that trunk? Only possible from spilling gas in the trunk directly, imo.
Casey and Ricardo’s interest in chloroform was sexual. There was no evidence of it in Caylee’s hair either.
2) Casey catches the bag on the “bin” and the bag breaks into the trunk. Thus, the rebagging and the stealing of both gas cans. Why steal a 50/50 mix?
3) She hastily dumps Caylee because she is in panic mode and returns to Tone’s where she brings the garbage bag in from the house so she can put the paper towels she is using to clean up “the stain” in it directly because of the stench.
Okay, it is fascinating to read the theory that Caylee was left buried under the playhouse from June 18- 23. If that is so, then I firmly believe that George and Cindy would have known about it. They have dogs and those dogs would not ignore the presence of a dead body of someone they knew and loved. If they were unable to dig Caylee up they would have been throwing doggy fits every time they were outside in the backyard. Maybe George and CIndy could have ignored their dogs for an afternoon but if the dogs were barking and upset for 5 days, someone in that family would have found Caylee’s body. Do you believe it is possible that George and Cindy knew then that Caylee was dead? On the other hand, five days under the playhouse would explain the smell in the trunk of the car when Caylee was moved to the woods to be dumped. Do you think maybe the sacks broke, to account for the stain and extra bad smell? (Maybe I am giving the dogs too much credit…)
Blink apparently the autopsy report details several layers of duct tape over caylees mouth such as it kept her jaw from moving and also determined it was placed there prior to decomp. Now I know lp must be devasted to learn this. He was holding out hope caylee did not suffer and the tape was placed after death to stage a kidnap.have u any idea how he is doing ?
I think people are unsure of the margin of error of “prior to decomp”. They are NOT saying she was alive. The tape was put on after death, imo. Further evidence of that is the way it was applied. She did not hold her childs head in her hand and callously wrap it around her skull. She ripped short pieces, mostly around the back so she would not have to face her. Theres no way I believe she duct taped this kid pre mortem.
B
Poke away at this, as I haven’t studied the calls as much as some, and wish there was an online calendar to place all the events, times, etc. I leaned to the 15th, until reading JWG timeline in the other thread.
Way back though, I thought perhaps she was cloroforming the baby, taping her mouth and putting her in the trunk when she was going out. Particularly when she started seeing Tony L. Could she not have done this Monday afternoon at the house, returning after George left and had been making those calls to ensure neither George or Cindy were at home, nor on the way home, prior to her going to see Tony? (Seems she made calls to ’see if the coast was clear’ many times)
She taped the baby because cloroform wears off and a child in a trunk would scream. Sorry have to say as well, I think this time she over taped, or over cloroformed, or both. I have the distinct feeling in my gut this child suffocated while conscious, or arousing from unconsciousness, and it was due to the tape, no viable reasoning to support it….just what my gut is waaayy loudly telling me for some reason.
It would be hard for a child that age to remove layers of duct tape, not to mention being terrified.
If she had previously done it the baby might have started learning to work the tape off, so she would start taping more. This time it was too much, and perhaps ended up sealing over her nose, even if Mommy only taped up slightly onto the tip of her nose, to keep her from taking it off, it could easily get pressed in.
Sorry, I know this is gruesome, but to me this is a Soc. they do this stuff for their own selfish reasons more than for anger, or anything else, and don’t think much of the consequences. They are driven by selfishness, and then “stuff happens”, oops. It’s sicko, sicko to you or I, but they do not form the same attachments to others like the rest of us do, and we need to realize it, and recognize it. Hollow, shallow whatever you’d like to call it. They simply DO NOT attach deeply to anyone, and that’s why they can do these things we can’t even fathom.
I also think she could have just added more layers of tape to support the kidnapping after the fact. And then ‘hearted’ her. Not to mention if she had been cloroforming, she knew there was a risk it might end up being too much…..therefore she had already somewhat “pre-thought” out an alibi if it happened.
I had a former LEO tell me you start with the simplest, most straight forward line based upon the evidence. You don’t add more or complicate it unless the evidence forces you to. Fire away, and punch holes in the theory. (and sorry I know it’s gruesome). I wonder if we’ll ever really know. Sorry for the long post. I’d like to see how much duct tape that family purchased/ went through in a year though.
I am trying to calm myself down after I red the report today…THIS IS WHY Casey didnt call ever…It took 31 days for Cindy to do it, so no signs of drugs;no soft tissues…poor angel..her little fingers and bones scattered around this nasty area…snakes and other anymals …How Casey would ever be punished enough?
BAEZ talks after the hearing this morning, he ignores and intermittently attacks Kathy Belich, asking her if she’s really named something else, he ignores and deflects her questions, coming back to ask her if that’s her real name and ‘are you Todd Black?’, then goes back to ignore her once again, then tells her ‘you are not well thought of by your collegues’ and answers someone else’s questions.
The question is not about the reporter, but the member of the Bar, a professional with much higher ethics and conduct standards than any legally imposed on a reporter. What does this say about Baez’s professional conduct as a member of the Florida Bar??? Nevermind– that’s redundant– and obvious!!!
So the chloroform research was for sexual purposes with her boyfriend? Blink, did Casey use chloroform on Caylee or not? If not, what caused this child’s death?
Imo the autopsy looks very bad for kc because it does not pivide a cause of death or manner but does not support an accident.the tape indicates the child suffered and kc is lucky I aint a juror contender.
“She ripped short pieces, mostly around the back so she would not have to face her”
or so she knew the baby could not get it off herself. ***sorry*** I know you don’t want to think it’s possible. It’s horrendous.
B- Why do you think the cloroform is out of the question? I had thought they said it would not show up in her hair. Also, if Casey dumped it in the trunk, enough to rid the smell, I would think it would knock her out while trying to do it. No?
As to why wouldn’t Casey run to the ER or report it? because Casey did it, it was too late, and if she were the type to admit what she did and fess up, we wouldn’t be sitting here typing.
Yes, to the latter.
No, dumping that amount of choroform in an open trunk would not render her unconcious. It basically has to be intoduced directly into the airstream(think old movies). It will disperse in open air. As far as the chlor in the hair, unless it was chronic, your correct.
B
blink,i didnt think she duct taped her live (BUT ON SECOND THOUGHT) i believed negligent accident also (i thought i was the biggest holdout) until recently,why on earth wouldnt she report it or call cindy ,her mother is a nurse she’d be the first i’d call,and why not make a big lie about the accident,IE: but i swear it wasnt my fault jefhop’s babysitter zanni left her in the hot car not me ,wouldnt that be so much easier.and if was an accident wouldnt casey herself have been devasted and cracked by now?
blink I have read some of your responses here. It seems you are saying that
1. it was an accident, Casey didnt kill caylee on purpose
2. caylee was not chloroformed
3. caylee’s mouth was duct taped after she died
4 caylees body was in the trunk from the night of the 16th
To me this means that Caylee died the day of the 16th= the only thing left that I can think of then, is an accident with the pool. Is that what you believe?
Yes, with a caveat. I am not positive if she drowned in the bathtub and then put in the pool to make it look like an accident, or if she was drowned in the pool. I am comfortable for me, it is one or the other. This is occams razor to me when you drill it all down.
B
I have a problem with the backyard playhouse site….2 dogs…..2 dogs would have dug her up.
Burner….the shovel borrowing day….Casey though of it…the backyard…til she too went…oooooooooooooooooooops..this won’t work…the dogs….returning the shovel??
i drowned when i was two my mom found me on the bottom of the pool jumped in ,cpr,burped water out of my lungs, mouth to mouth,saved my life(i dont remember),i also had duct tape put across my mouth by a teacher in kindergarten (for not stopping talking)and sat in the front of the classroom(i do remember).sorry, no reason for the overshare,but i guess i am saying a true accident would have had anyone sreaming in panic,and maybe the duct tape was to keep her quite.
Does anyone think the kid who early on visits her…mentions a “Mike Walker”……aided…her?????
One other thought about cleaning the trunk with cloroform -that seems to me to be really dangerous - one whiff and you can knock yourself out. Also at this time, Casey was not involved with Ricardo was she?
I thought she had moved on to Tony
Yes, she stayed on Ricardos house on 6/9
B
she is willing to gamble with her life with a jury with death penalty for murder ,rather than than admit to a much nicer softer : negligent accident(especially if indeed it were the truth)? and why wait this long?she still isnt doing it(begging for her life),i would think if it were an accident,the prison guards would hear her crying in the night I DIDNT KILL HER IT WAS AN ACCIDENT
Blink, I can’t tell if you’re joking or serious about Morgan but in my opinion the man is pure poetry in a deposition. I’ve even been low-classy enough to send him emails telling him so. He probably thinks I’m some crazy Anthony.
ROTFL, sorry we are not “out” yet. I cant discuss.
B+J TLF
N
I understand. Bill Sheaffer and I have the same type of special “thing.” Mums the word.
Big trouble comes small? Now on a living laughing sometimes bratty 2 year old this is cute but when found with a trussed up dead child this has a different but definate meaning.
Homicide by undetermined means? You bet no deals no pleas for a baby killer dp by electricity and justice for caylee. Rest peacefully child
Susan, I forgot about the two little dogs, what a good thought– yes, and they are terriers too, not much on the ground would get by them.
Remember ‘Rear Window” with Jimmy Stewart and Grace Kelly? Little dog in the basket elevator, the flowers ‘changing height’, the little dog’s interest in that exact flower spot?
Blink - drowned accidentally in the bathtub? Wow that is one theory out of the blue -I could understand the pool - but the bathtub doesnt makes sense to me. If Casey and Caylee left at 12:30 or so in the afternoon, according to George and then came back after he left for work - (which I can understand - Casey had to kill time somewhere as she really didnt work) why would Casey give her a bath? Of course,
nothing Casey did made sense to me but still is there something that was reported that led you to believe she might have drowned in the bathtub?
BeesKnees, Morgan and friends would be a lot better in depositions if they could ever get their witnesses to actually show up and actually answer all the questions!!! (not for a lack of their efforts though, next we should see some space open up in Judge R’s court schedule but better give the Anthony’s more time to themselves, the demands of all these public appearances must take their toll.
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I heart Keith Mitnick.
Blink, did LE do a search of the house on Breckenwood that Dom Casey poked around? I have wondered whether Casey A. used that site as a temporary stashing place. It appears that Dominic C. was being instructed where to look. He talked about the “psychic” guiding him in the woods and the 3 paving stones, but he never explained to LE why he went from the woods to poke around that particular house.
I ask because that question has bothered me and also, now, because some of the comments here make a compelling point about the Anthony pet dogs digging around the playhouse if a body were buried there. Can I assume that at least part of the reason you like the back yard as a temporary burial spot is because the cadavor dogs hit there?
I’m impressed with Judge Stan Strickland by the way he let them “George and Cindy Anthony” keep talking. Several things that were said this morning are on public record now and can be later used in investigations and possible charges later against George and Cindy Anthony. The circus continues, next act.
No chloroform, etc. found. No trauma. No obvious means of death. Had to be homocide, 3-yr old children do not just up and die w/o some detectable cause and too old for SIDS. Ergo, I think she drowned, how I don’t know, accident or accidently on purpose. The duct tape applied post mortem. Have you heard the term, positive “O” sign. Some medical people refer to it when the person is very near death or has just died–the jaw drops open. Nothing left to hold the mandible shut. In morgue kits there is a strap that is applied around the jaw to gently close it before rigor sets in. This “O” sign can be very pronounced and unsettling to see first hand. Casey probably wasn’t aware of this and was really spooked by this silent scream and used the duct tape then put a heart sticker on it as a ________ (fill in the blank). I’ve been lurking a long time and just cannot keep quiet any longer with my opinion, JMHO! Feel free to delete this as I’m the first to say it is gruesome and many won’t want to hear or know this nity-grity. Blink, I told you I would comment at some point when I had learned more. So…..this is it. CB “onionskin”
You know what CB/Onionskin? That is fascinating and I have never thought of that. You very well could be 100% correct, at least in the trigger for the duct tape in the first place. I honestly dont think there is anything more gruesome than what we already know.
B
Blink, please– why the 50/50 gas can?? Just for the fumes as a mask to the odour???
Yes
B
and one more thing, why a ‘tie’ in the hair (ponytail) if in the bathtub? Wouldn’t she get a hairwash in the tub for her night bath too? Or maybe that wasn’t the routine.
Blink do you think perhaps the a’s are pulling a double cross on the defense and on kc? Don’t u think todays shenanigans kinda backfired? Does todays stunt just keep the suspicion on kc? Imo every move every lie they speak just makes it worse for kc
Here is my theory kc kills caylee on or I day after fathers day I love you daddy…not so g and c reciprocate and say publicly kc is innocent…not. Kc is a wonderful daughter never did no wrongs…not.don’t these people speak in code? Yes
I am glad the judge put the Anthonys and Baez in their place at least for today anyway and hope to see it done a lot more in this case.Now with that said,don’t you all think that George bringing that framed photo of Little Caylee in court was just for sympathy or pity for his and Cindy’s cause.these are two of the biggest IDIOTS OUT THERE.I have no sorrow for them nor their daughter.All of my sorrow is for the one who is no longer among us. Cindy,George,Lee and Casey deserve nothing but a hard time and a hard life to go with it.I mean the nerve of that man with that picture,is there no limits to how low they will go in order to get attention? This isn’t about them its about Caylee.
Can someone please clarify: BIG TROUBLE COMES SMALL — were the letters originally sewn on the shirt, as implied on NG tonight? Were they of some other fabric that the shirt would disintegrate but not the letters? From the report released today I thought they were just letters on the ground, kind of like a Chris Coleman (message) phenomena. Any thoughts?
To comment #39 i am with you on the hate them both equally.but I think the photo in court today was there just to gain sympathy IMHO.These people will stop at nothing to garnner attention for themselves.George has not been carrying around a framed photo of Caylee before now so it tells me that he is seeking ATTENTION AND SYMPATHY FROM THE COURT OF PUBLIC OPINION.AND SO WERE HIS FAKE TEARS.And for the first time he mentions Caylee’s great-grandparents.These people should be ashamed for the mockery they are making out of this child’s memory.They are nothing but scum.
Hello Blink,do you think Cindy and George had knowledge that Caylee had at one time been burried under her doll house? It just seems to me that they knew quite a bit and that is the reason for them lying and obstructing justice for little Caylee.I ALSO THINK THAT LEE KNOWS MORE THAN HE IS TELLING BUT,HE SEEMS TO HAVE DISTANCED HIMSELF FROM THE DYNAMIC DUO OF C&G. DO YOU THIK HE HAS CUT A DEAL AND WILL RECEIVE IMMUNITY IN THIS CASE?
Yes, and No.
B
Comment #53 I am with you all the way.George bringing that framed photo to court was just to much.He has not been doing this for anyother hearings and he whips it out today.How did they allow him to bring that into the courtroom anyway? do they not search people as they enter the court house? This was just for a pity party.these anthonys are something else but what I don’t know. they need to get a job,a life and stay out of the media asking for privacy when you are more than glad to put yourselves out there in the publics eye.ENOUGH ALREADY WE DON’T FEEL SORRY FOR YOU NOW GO HOME AND SHUT UP.WHILE YOU ARE AT IT TAKE BRAD YOUR PUPPET AND BAEZ WITH YOU.
Cindy and George knew alot alot sooner NO clothing ever left the home period from the 15th -16th…Cindy said…for Caylee. Amy has said Casey chloroformed her too…..
Source please? I have never seen or heard Amy say a word about chloroform
B
They never went to the authorities as always Casey held a ‘whopper’ over their heads, as she still does.Not over the actual paternity of Caylee…but the paternity result she had them Believe were true. That ‘whopper’ could never have worked…..unless at least…..the way you conceive a child were true??
I wonder why during that 30 days… missing in action…while she was at Tony’s…her text messages ect..show she was more concerned with where JP Chatt was and what he was doing? Did she maybe feel someone may desire her more……minus a child?She knew where JP Chatt lived…if it is true that his address was left in car on paper….why I wonder did she need it written down?? And too while she stayed one night according to Ricardo over with Caylee did he wake to find Caylee gone by morning..and Cindy claimed she never had brought her home….where in the middle of night did she take her? I liked Amy’s statement to LE that JP CHATT…has little to do with this story.
I have two problems with your theory Blink. The first is the duct tape over the nose, and the multiple pieces of duct tape used. If you’re trying to stage a kidnapping, you place duct tape over the victim’s mouth, to keep them quiet. There is no reason for duct tape to be placed over the nose…unless suffocation is the point. I think a single piece of duct tape placed over the mouth would suffice in most people’s minds if trying to stage a kidnapping. To me, the multiple pieces of duct taped used suggest a rage, a need to make sure the victim is fully covered in order to suffocate.
My second problem is with the theory that Caylee’s death was accidental. There is just no way that any sane mother could not show any emotion over the loss of their child. Sure, she may have been in shock at first, and dealt with her grief oddly, but it’s been a year now. If she loved that little girl at all, the sadness would be overwhelming her, her conscience would be eating away at her, and she would break. I believe Bella Vita has absolutely nothing to do with Caylee. Bella Vita is all about Casey…her cold, unfeeling, narcissistic, sociopathic life.
I do agree though, that chloroform was not used on Caylee. My gut feeling has always been that it was used to clean and mask the smell.
I enjoy reading everything you write, you keep us very informed…thank you!
Blink, I can’t find any information on how chloroform might be used to heighten sexual relations. What is this about?
Why do you believe Caylee accidently drowned? If that’s really what happened, why did Casey hide it? The consequences would be far less severe than they are now.
The autopsy shows no results on toxicology, so your theory “holds water.” Please pardon the pun.
If she accidently killed her child through neglect, then wouldn’t she have told the truth by now to save herself from a murder trial and possible death penalty?
Blink, this may be O/T but I wondered if Lee and Mallory had their baby yet? If so, was it a boy? The A’s keep talking about the death of their “only” grandaughter… I truly hope for Mallory and the baby’s sake, she runs for the hills and gets as far away from the A’s as possible.
NG guest yesterday broadcast stated that there were no prints found on the duct tape. I think she may have meant that this was not included in the autopsy report but it got shuffled into the discussion this way.
I was under the impression that it was reported earlier that Cindy, George, and Lee’s prints were excluded from the duct tape which left the door open to someone else’s prints to be found on there. Am I right on this?
yes
B
Blink, remember on the onion style posting I called it onion skin several weeks back. Just my way of poking fun at my bad. I’ll drop the onion skin forever. In Re your ? mark at the end of my name. hehe Keep it coming, I think we will figure this out in the long run. I think I’ve figured out ROFLMAO. Love it! CB
No need to drop it it, I LMAO and have now nicknamed you appropriately.
B
Blink, you wrote, “Yes, with a caveat. I am not positive if she drowned in the bathtub and then put in the pool to make it look like an accident, or if she was drowned in the pool. I am comfortable for me, it is one or the other. This is occams razor to me when you drill it all down.
B”
Is it possible that Casey drowned Caylee intentionally? If it was an accident, she would have called paramedics to try an save Caylee’s life. That didn’t happen.
What kind of defense strategy is this? If Casey really didn’t chloroform the child and in fact she drowned, then Casey is not a murderer. She’s a negligent mother whose child died accidently.
She should be charged with criminally negligent homicide or voluntary (or involuntary) manslaughter, not murder one with special circumstances, carrying the death penalty. Why wouldn’t she just confess to this and tell the truth?
She’s made that the statement that her mother is never going to forgive her, but her parents are standing by her. Why wouldn’t she give it up?
“…tell the truth….” as if anything she says could ever be taken for the truth. I just re-listened to the first 911 calls as Casey calmly tells the operator that she spoke briefly with her daughter that day…….chilling stuff. (at orlandosentinel.com)
Blink - TonE stated clearly in his interview with LE (page 27, Oct. 16) while they were reenacting the gas can theft/refueling of the Pontiac that she put the contents of both gas cans into her car. Was he mistaken, or was there actually gas in both cans, or did she merely pretend to dump one of them in? Mr. Tally Ho and I are having a friendly debate this morning about what would have happened to the car if she put gas/oil in the tank. He says it depends on how much she put in, etc, but we both agree that it probably wouldn’t have been good!
That is a great question, link to TL interview?
B
http://www.wftv.com/_blank/18862199/detail.html
I think this should take you to the interview. The relevant comments are on page 27 I believe.
yep, your correct. Goes back to George 50/50 comment, I still dont get how a guy breaks into a parents shed over buying a $5 gas can and putting some gas in the car for her. Who does that? And you have Chris Stutz up the street?
B
FairestWitness; This is my take on why, IF Caylee’s death was an accident, Casey has not ‘given it up’.
She is a sociopath and as Blink has stressed in another case, sociopaths are sociopaths all the time. It’s never intermintant. Sociopaths’ live life wherein EVERYTHING is winning and losing. They live to win; in every instance. No personal attachments get in their way.
Early on in the case George said somthing about Casey to John Allen & Yuri Melich which I think sums this up well. I wish I could find the exact quote, but couldn’t when I searched yesterday, but I’ll paraphraise;
Just when you think she has taken something as far as it can go, she piles on more stuff.
Leonard Padilla also refered to something similar, regfering to Casey’s lying and again I paraphriase; She hits a wall then just turns left and keeps on going.
Amy tells this to LE about the chloroform in the audio interview on you tube re: the stolen check book ect……waking to find herself in different clothes ect believing Casey may have drugged/chloroformed her. ..heard it months ago.
Amy Huizenga…You Tube …eSigmun’s channel Part 4 6;16 into the video…..about not recalling how she woke with differnt clothing ect……….
Blink wrote: ”
Actually I disagree. I think Caylee was in the trunk the night of the 16th and 17th, and placed in the backyard on the 18th and buried under the playhouse.
B”
I used to blog heavily on Orlando Sentinal about this and read the ideas of many locals. My theory on Casey returning to the house that day and backing in the driveway was she’d gone back to pick up the items (such as the laundry bag, garbage bags, and Winnie the Poo blanket) to bury along with Caylee’s body. We all know she borrowed a shovel from the neighbors and that she was not known to back into the driveway. I think Caylee’s body was in the trunk still that day.
Since the cadaver dogs hit on the backyard, Caylee’s body has to have been there, but we also know nothing forensic was found, so Caylee probably wasn’t actually buried. My thought is Casey placed the body on the ground in order to “prep” it for the buriel. She probably used the pool to wash off her hands because the ladder was against the pool and not where George always left it (which I noticed and has spoken about).
Also a small possibility Casey thought she’d stage a drowning, but thought better of it realizing that wasn’t gonna work at all.
Regardless of what that girl was up to, Caylee’s body was definately in that back yard at one point. But if she’d been buried there even one day, the Anthony’s dogs would have noticed asap and been lurking around the grave. Dogs don’t miss that stuff…even domestic little ones like those at the Anthony house. I may be wrong, but since nothing of a shallow grave was ever mentioned, I cannot wrap my head around even Casey wanting to leave her daughter’s body there….but then again, who on earth can get into the mind of that young woman??
Brenda, agreed on all counts except that nothing forensic was found in the backyard. We dont know that as the soil samples taken have not been released. Also, your forgetting the pavers and yardwork the 4th. Something was found on 7/3 I am absolutely positive of it.
B
RE: Comment # 91
CB, you are right. The jaw does drop when a person dies, and their mouth hangs open. I had not thought of that, either. But, now it makes perfect sense. That would explain also why the duct tape was over the nose and attached to the hair. If someone chloroformed their child and put duct tape over their mouth so they wouldn’t make noise if they woke up, they wouldn’t attach it to the hair, as it would be too hard to remove it. So, it definitely makes sense that the child was already dead when the duct tape was placed. But, I’m not so sure that the baby drowned. It seems to me that if that is what happened, Casey would have just called 911. It would have been a tragedy, but unfortunately, this does happen sometimes. I personally believe that she accidently killed her by maybe putting her hand over Caylee’s mouth to keep her quiet while she was trying to do something (maybe on the computer or phone). She probably didn’t realize she was cutting off her oxygen until it was too late. Then, she panicked. Her first thought was to make it look like an accidental drowning. So, she opened the gate and put the ladder into the pool. But, then, for some reason had second thoughts about this. Maybe she realized there would be no water in the lungs. Or, maybe she was so afraid of what her mother’s reaction would be. So, she had to go to plan B…the “nanny” took the baby. That way, she would not be “blamed”. If it was an accidental drowning, then wouldn’t she have said that by now, so she could get “off” easier?
Post #110; Blessed, I just listened to the 911 calls again, too. The voice of Cindy Anthony in so much distress, the description of the smell in her daughter’s car, her emphatic statement “SOMETHING’S WRONG,” Casey’s disaffected demeanor … chilling is exactly the right way to describe it.
If Caylee drowned, then why would she not call 911 and save herself murder charges? Maybe because if it didn’t occur that way…instead a far crueler way you couldn’t.
Blink what do you think of a family member aiding in whatever capacity as to where the final place Caylee was left as a “reasonable doubt” for later….Cindy for 1 is constantly saying things to that effect…”Casey would NEVER be that stupid to leave her at the corner ect”? I think no doubt Casey planned for a long time to end Caylee’s life….once the fight/near strangulation event she finally had justification to carry it out..if her OWN MOM could attempt to kill her!!!!……Caylee was was talking too much now….In the sad end…..I don’t think she was ‘kind’ about how she carried it out…..I doubt too chloroform was used ….
Come on, Come on people!! Stop with this accident crap - I say NO WAY JOSE!! (no pun intended here)…..
Haven’t you seen Casey’s RAGE? Nothing she does bad is ever an accident! If she did something good, now THAT would be an accident!!
When questioned by bro about not bringing Caylee around don’t you remember her remark? (because I am/can be a spiteful b****!)
Everything here was INTENTIONAL, which is why the death is considered MURDER, O.K.?? Now I’d like to know why I didn’t see anything about the heart sticker on the duct tape in the autopsy report…unless I missed it? Casey was a sticker-freak so that would say a lot to me.
Not that I need any more evidence, personally
its the duct tape being put on so close to time of death with no emergency call and telling none what happened
Blink, while I respectfully disagree with cause of death and what was done with the body thereafter, I completely agree with something happening on the 3rd of July. In fact, after I read that you thought that, I went back and looked at the phone records. A few things really stood out. There were only a few random calls from the time Casey left, up until the 3rd of July. That morning, starting around 8:30a.m. Cindy began to call from the home and her cell phone. Then she called the entire day, one after another. Finally, George called from his phone. The next morning, Lee began to call, as did (I’m assuming) Mallory his g-friend, as the name is listed as “sister-in-law”…. The oddest thing for me is this….. Casey NEVER called Jesse Grund or Amy Huzienga on any day, unless her parents and/or Lee called first. Each time she called either Jesse or Amy, it was only a few minutes to an hour that she turned around and called either one. I thought that odd, considering she has been trying to connect them to Caylee’s death since the beginning. Seems like she talked to her parents finally, after ignoring their calls for days, and in between, began to call both Amy and Jesse. Also, on one of the days it’s highly probably Caylee was “thrown away” Casey began to call Rob@Arden Villas, also again I’m “assuming” that is some type of apartment complex. So it would seem that it’s “possible” (imo only) that Casey began her search for the “nannys” apartment when she began to call that number. It could however simply be that she was searching for apartments for herself, even though she actually had no way of getting one, per: no job, no money.
I’m curious what you think of all this??
Your only at the tip of the iceberg on this but working in the right direction, anybody want to help her out?
B
Thanks for your insights, Annals. I grew up in a family terrorized by a sociopath/narcissist stepmother. I am very familiar with their psychoses. The one thing missing from your theory is the incredibly strong sense of self-preservation these individuals possess. I think Casey isn’t talking because it’s in her best interest not to. Which leads me to believe Caylee’s death was no accident. Of course, I could be wrong.
Someone puleeze help Wendy out - and me - July 3rd is screeming at me too
My theory is that Casey killed Caylee in a fit of anger. She wanted to kill Cindy too. Cindy was the reason Casey was so angry. Cindy confronted her about stolen money from the grandfather’s account. Caylee wouldn’t quit crying for Cece. She had been thinking about killing Caylee for a while. She smothered her with her bare hands and the Winnie the Pooh blanket.
Why the calls to 911 then? How are those calls fitting in to your coverup theory? Why report caylee missing at all? Who outside of the anthony family would even have cared?
Whoa, Im saying Casey will say that, not that it’s true. If they go that route, the defense will not have a terrible time explaining that though, imo. This will fail, but there is no other plausible defense strategy imo.
B
Ok, gotta agree with you Blink, not all info has been released and if anything was found on 7/3,,,we’ll probably have to wait until the trial to find out.
Mother’s killing their children seems to be turning into an epidemic. Sad world in which we live. On another subject, any word on the 2nd Haylee who’s mom took off with her and the SOR?
Ok blink I’m sorry this is the defense stratagy you r theorizing gotcha well won’t fly I agree no way jose
Wendy, your post #124 about Arden Villas… google it and you can see it’s a nice place, listen to Jesse Grund’s FBI audio interview, at the part where Jesse is talking about Casey’s 2007 ’seizure’ and reference to the 911 call by Jesse and he was asked where he lived at the time and it was Arden Villas.
There’s one answer for you. That same tape shows how Jesse knew for a fact, that Baez and Casey, backed by Cindy, had discussed in a lawyer’s meeting, about framing Jesse, why he killed Caylee because he was obcessed with Caylee (Casey’s jealousy again… ), he supposedly drowned Caylee in the pool in the back yard. This framing, before Cindy knew the baby was dead– so she did or why would she need to help frame Jesse for the baby’s death? LP told Jesse he heard this in a lawyer/Baez meeting, but he also said LP’s people also were present, so they heard this too.
No wonder Cindy hates LP!
Link to FBI Jesse interview here: http://cfnews13.com/uploadedfiles/audio/JesseGrundSep8th.wma
FairestWitness
I agree with you on your comment about!! casey killing caylee because she was jealous of the attention that cindy gave to caylee. Remember that casey broke off her engagement with one of her boyfriends because she ! claimed he loved caylee more than her! isnt that kinda strange behaviour.
That whole family has mental health issues biggtime!! In viewing one of the jailhouse tapes where the A’S had gone to visit casey. Cindy was telling casey about running out of gas and casey comments back to her in a strange weird way by saying. Oh guess what that happened to me too !. Giggling uncomfortably like this wasnt how they spoke to eachother there was no affection prior to this.
I agree they have known for a long time that this girl has issues and they allowed it to fester. Cindy possibly didnt get help for casey because she enjoyed making caseys life miserable for many years prior.
sadly caylee had to pay with her life.
I am of the mindset that caylee was going through her terrible two’s at which age children tend to throw tantrums and get into everything. this was a hinderance to casey and her wild side party mode.
hopefuly she will be sentenced to death or a life term. she needs to be held accountable for her actions, and the anthonys will pay the price of loosing both a grandaughter and a daughter.I am sure they have already lost the respect of their families, their dignity has been taken from them . Cindy and george are miserable wretched parents that did not deserve caylee. She is with jesus safe from any more abuse.
Rest in peace Caylee!!
Blink, do you think the Anthonys found a fresh grave underneath the playhouse on July 3rd? Did they relocate it on that date? They smelled the stench of decomposition, maybe, in the area? I keep hearing Cindy on the 911 call of July 15th emphatically declaring, “Something’s wrong… I found my daughter’s car today and it smells like there’s been a dead body in the damn car.” You could be right that they’d found something that alarmed them.
When they finally located Casey’s car & smelled the stench upon opening it, George Anthony said to the police that he prayed when opened the trunk that his daughter AND granddaughter were not in there dead. I think George and Cindy were worried something had happened to both of them.
The thing I keep going back to is this, why wouldn’t George, a former police officer, tell all he knew to the police? If he and Cindy found something suspicious in the backyard, why would HE tell LE about it, Cindy’s proclivities aside. The man carried a badge, how could he lie about his missing granddaughter?
Hi Blink, et al
This my first time commenting, but have been lurking here for months, this site is captivating!!
I am wondering what you guys think G & C might have found on July 3rd, that would have lead them to believe that something bad had happened to Caylee…besides the pool ladder being in the wrong place (they noticed that two weeks earlier, correct?)
If the jury ever sees the autopsy photos its over for kc.maybe your right about her taking a plea but why would rhe state offer her one now?
It would depend on her proffer, but I do not think they would settle for anything less than LWOP and full complicity info, which she will never do. They will not offer her anything based on throwing her parents under the bus either. Thus why I say her very misguided parents are sealing her fate.
B
FairestWitness, if you were concerned about ‘death’ or something terribly wrong that might have happened to your child who had a child with her, herself, what would you do?? Call the police immediately, or call your son to go check up on his sister at some later day? At that point, they must assume that both can be in terrible trouble and call 911 immediately– OR, if they have some reason to believe that only the baby would be in trouble, they go into ‘find the daughter’ mode so she can ‘explain’. If worst comes to worst, as might be suspected if you want to wait to talk to the daughter ‘first’, then you can make a plan to protect the one survivor, if the other is dead, be pragmatic, can’t help a dead person anyway, but you can help the living.
Question for Blink– Mark NeJame was on board or not, when LP heard Cindy and Baez make the ‘Jesse did it’ plans>????
He was no yet, no.
B
Cindy was laying the groundwork for all of her ideas– even to the smallest detail. Watch her first LE interview video (or better yet, listen/watch her FBI interviews first where she talks about the car, Casey’s purse in it), then watch the LE interview.
Cindy sits down on the right of the picture, puts her huge dark purse/bag with big handles sticking up, on the table beside the wall, to her right. That’s a big visual picture in one’s mind. Not a small clutch purse, or soft bag, but one that stands up and is noticeable. Then, later, she puts it on the floor by the wall, again on her right side.
Later, near the end of the interview, Uri (or another interviewer) reminds Cindy about her purse on the floor, so she does not forget it when she leaves.
What does Cindy do now? She has the opportunity to once again, first FBI, then this interview, make her public ‘video taped’ point (jury pool???) that she wont’ forget, no woman would ever leave their purse anywhere.
Her point??? Back to the car abandoned at Amscot– Casey’s wallet in open site inside, ID and everything still there. Reasoning– what she told the FBI, if Casey left the car, she would have gone back for it if she had known where it was at. She didn’t know, she (a woman) would never leave her wallet inside or anywhere else (women don’t do that).
So Cindy is planning every little detail, probably from the point, if any, that suspicion was raised in the yard. The pool ladder issue brought up by her early on in interviews as ‘proof’ that was a concern to her and George (well, we’ll believe George’s corroboration now, won’t we!!) about some accident. The plan for the coverup would have begun at the very first sign of something terribly wrong– like a child’s shoe buried, or something that indicated the child had something terrible happen to her. The gas can story, the pool ladder story, the last time Caylee seen and food-tv story, the purse story– all seeds for the future needs to protect Casey by any and all means.
An observation. Everyone needs to stop giving George and Cindy all this credit. Baez has spent countless hours with these people. They have been coached adnauseum. George went to the dark side right after his FBI interview.
B
Blink, to your theory of ‘accident’– WHY plan to blame others, like Jesse as the murderer even to the reasons he would do it, or as some co-consipirator or ‘help’ for Casey when you can simply plan ‘accident’???
The logistics of coming at someone are so much more involved, so much more cost and time (oh yeah, there’s the money ‘Fundation’) but there’s no ‘closure’ at least to get Casey home, explain the accident, do her economic trials, get them out of the way, and move on.
Is the idea of planning to blame others, part of the ‘fundation’ idea?? What happens if they do this when they ‘know’ it was an accident???? Will this give M&M another slander case on behalf of Jesse? Or haven’t they come out publicly (vs LE/FBI interviews) yet with accusations?? (Cindy’s rant at Geraldo when he asked the ‘who’ is suspect question of her).
and if things go wrong, heck, they will have their control, the money coming in, and Casey will be where they want her anyway, out of their lives.
The theory of burying Caylee under her playhouse have always intrigued me…even Jesse Grund had commented on this since Caylee loved it so much. The playhouse appeared to me, to be a “Naturally Playful Welcome Home Playhouse - Step 2″. These playhouses are huge inside and some mothers can actually stand inside without bending over. Regardless, I always envisioned Casey inside the playhouse, with a shovel and thinking it would not have been a problem for her. Blink is correct…these playhouse have no “floor”. Some parents put them directly over sod and some put pavers down. Since Cindy A. appears to be a little OCD with her storage containers and landscaping, etc, I always figured they layed pavers first then set the playhouse on top to give little Caylee a perfect floor inside. Normally one lays sand down first to make sure the pavers are flat and settle nicely. At an average retail of approx. $500 for this playhouse, I would guess that an extra expense of laying sand and pavers for a little floor would not have been an issue for them. I can picture it now…Casey lifts some of the pavers inside the playhouse, digs through the paver sand, then runs into trouble when she hits sod and the hard Florida dirt! Plan B had to come pretty darn fast, but would have definitely left enough of a scent for the cadaver canines to pick up on…if in fact, little Caylee was laying not far away ready to be buried there (Oh God….I hate saying that). Pavers replaced would be a little loser since removed…they just never look the same. I do believe Cindy found something during July 3-4; but I always thought it could have been the Blackjack cell phone left under the pavers in the playhouse. Just a theory…but knowing Cindy…if she found loose/wobbly pavers inside the playhouse….she would have tried to fix the problem…who knows what she found there. Wasn’t Caylee IMO, but ???
I also have no doubt Caylee’s killing was not only intentional, but planned. As for the duct tape…I originally thought Casey knocked her daughter out with chloroform and then used the tape to smother her.
Have done research into rage-type crimes and the fact several layers of duct tape were around Caylee’s mouth/nose/skull tell ME Casey used this method to smother her daughter…plain and simple. An act of hate and rage taken out on little Caylee. I believe fully that Casey may have begun wrapping the duct tape around her while she was sleeping, but if not…while she was in the car seat and easier to handle.
Ask any investigator. When a victim is shot or stabbed many times, or beaten to the point of non-recognition…shows a close relationship and pure rage. I’m certain that is why so much duct tape…Casey did this quickly and with hate. No way she ever loved her daughter. Just an act as her entire life has been.
if I were interviewing Casey, I’d ask her flat out, “Casey, how did it feel while you were wrapping that duct tape around your daughter’s face so she couldn’t breath? Did you feel any sympathy while she struggled? Did you ever want to remove it? Did you WATCH her die?”
I realize I’d get no answers, but I’d love to see Casey’s reaction. The ONLY other time Casey reacted that I’ve read outside of the discovery of the body was in one of the first interviews where the detective told her, “you know Caylee doesn’t look the same way we remember her any longer, right?” They said Casey faltered because she knew what the detective was alluding to…the fact BOTH of them knew Caylee was dead and decomposing somewhere.
Casey is one heck of a cold human being. I totally agree with the poster who said sociopaths are purely about self-preservation at all costs.
Comment by Casey go pop crackle fry
I agree that caylee was crying for her grama and the insane mother killed her in a fit of rage to shut her up. casey said it best. she is a spiteful bitch and it was done in spite. but weird is what follows. Her parents standing by her. I am sure she never expected that!
George a ‘Smithfield High-Glazed Ham’
An opinion only piece on this story: “George Anthony Hams it up in court/Autopsy report, More AGM’s (Attn-getting maneuvers) all phony” link
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nd9A6dTNWPw&feature=channel_page
(to round out the discussion a little)
It seems like casey loves to inflict sorrow and pain on her parents for some kind of revenge for cindy making her keep caylee instead of putting her up for adoption as she was wanting to do, but cindy threw a fit!
Casey has never displayed any kind of loyalty to her family, friends or boyfriends. she is quick to throw all of them to the wolfs. She has no regard for her aging grandparents, she stole from!
It is so sad to listen to caylee sing !you are my sunshine! well casey took george and cindys sunshine away.
casey is a pathological liar!!
makes me wonder what she thinks and does all those hours alone in her cell without her friends whom she hung out with!
does she actualy think she is going to walk!
I dont think there is anyone that will come foward as a character witness on her behalf ? no one has anything good to say about her? someone whats your take on this. all her friends she had are turning on her and testifying for the prosecution , including Rick Plasea her uncle (cindys brother) and Shirley Plasea (cindys mom)????
Her attorney baez is not professional and makes a fool of himself trying to present himself as seasoned. NOT!!!
with the mention of shoes–where were Caylee’s shoes? One would be barefooted in the pool or bathtub but not dressed for the day heading out to the babysitters.
One would tie the baby’s hair in a ponytail in the pool but not the bathtub.
you would need to use short peices of duct tape to make sure the tape didn’t slip from wet hair.
The child had to have been in the car seat since the doll was next to it. She was either dead or asleep to have been seperated from it from there. How does this add up? Not there yet…..
Post #136, Kleat wrote, “…if you were concerned about ‘death’ or something terribly wrong that might have happened to your child who had a child with her, herself, what would you do??”
Oh course, I’d have called 911 immediately. However, if the last time I saw my daughter & granddaughter was leaving the house after a vicious altercation with Cindy, I may have been relieved to have the bitch out of my house. Sociopaths & narcissists are exhausting, Kleat. They suck the life’s blood out of you, leave you totally depleted, devoid of logic & reason. It’s like beating your head against a brick wall, … it feels so good when you stop.
We are not dealing with a normal, loving family. They have been preyed upon by this avaricious monster they gave birth to named Casey for 22 years. Reality has been altered for George & Cindy Anthony.
I think if they in fact discovered something that alarmed them in their backyard, they shut down, became terrified and didn’t know what to do. They became paralized with fear. I just don’t buy this theory that Cindy & George are smart enough to put this elaborate game plan together while they’re under duress and sick with worry and grief for their murdered granddaughter. Even if coached by Jose Baez.
Yes, they want to wake up from this nightmare, they want “the nanny did it” story to be true, they don’t want Casey to be guilty. But for them to come up with all these diversions, framing others close to Caylee? I just don’t see them doing that.
Chica, any friendships Casey may have had died with her daughter. Nobody stays a loyal friend to an evil bitch who murdered her angelic child.
chica, if someone does come forward as a character witness that can speak to how wonderful a mother she was to Caylee, someone like Cindy and Annie maybe, where Cindy says Casey should be given ‘mother of the year award’, then the prosecution can bring in testimony to refute that easily. They may have statements that show how Caylee spent time in some back room at the ‘anything but clothes party’ while mommy was grinding away with girls and boys while sucking lolipops. Maybe candy was the ‘fix’, or was it ‘fixing’ the effects of some drug use… where was baby then?
chica, and for Baez’s rant yesterday calling a reporter ‘Todd Black’, he was some messed up after the hearing failures, not just the Anthony’s, but his own attempts to get a hearing of his own. Linda Drurdick told the judge they’d spoken about this ‘weeks ago’. Duh!! So Baez got into a little hissyfit and went on the bully rant to the media.
My vote for very best piece of ‘Motion (without PIcture) Literature by Lawyer’ piece of the whole Casey Case (not just the Casey Casen Case), is the M&M Response to the Dominic Casey case for Casen on behalf of client Casey A.
Entertainment value in reading the motion by Casey and his lawyer (really is she??????!!!!, or is this really Todd Black in a high voice and new female character part???!!!!) followed by the response by Mitnik and is unprecedented and not to be missed!!
Well I have to laugh a tad, Ms. Dennis was not only Dom’s second choice but she missed her motion deadline on the duces tecum for Baez. AND BTW, if you HAVE PRIVILEGE, why the flaznock does the extender of “said Privilege” have to subpoena anything from you. Is this chic nuts? Does she think privilege has different definitions in criminal vs. civil court and theater?
B
Blink did u ever chat with the shrew and her neutered hubby george? Cause I believe he loved cayjee and I believe he suffers. I believe in the end he will betray them all and do what is right for caylee. He will free himself from those people and then hopefully he will go to some coda counseling. I believe I believe
To chica re post #133, I believe Casey said she had a flat tire also, not ran out of gas….
I mean my gawd caylee was the only female in his life who gave him some joy and some peace and a respite from the shrew and the monster.she was a comedian I heard him say so
I know he appears to be a cucold and a coward but I can feel his rage he will do right by caylee and no one else in the end.
FairestWitness, thanks for the comments, makes you think. I’ve been dealing with the narcissistic personality too, but ‘at arms (or should I say, lawyer’s arms) length. They did my elderly mother in, they are highly placed, lawyered to the hilt, and now they have been able to keep the stress and ‘unfinished’ (’nothingness’) business going on for more years. The visciousness of the personalities of people who are medical professionals, to do someone in for control of whatever, is unbelievable, and that’s not living with them. They know that one can’t put anything to rest, even your own parent’s passing, until ‘they’ let go of their business so not only couldn’t the elderly parent have a day’s rest until they were done in, but it continues on and on and on. What people don’t know until it is too late, then paying never ends.
Do you think the prosecution/feds think the death was accidental too? It is also the opinion of Dr. G. that the death was a homicide. How would accidental jive with computer searches? Also, every once in awhile I come across statements that Casey seemed “different” for approx. a month before Caylee was murdered. If that’s true did she have premonitions about an impending accident? There seems to be so many things pointing to the death being premeditated I can’t find anything to hang onto in the accidental theory. Help!
Brenda in VA, #116 comment: “also a small possibility Casey thought she’d stage a drowning, but thought better of it realizing that wasn’t gonna work at all.
Regardless of what that girl was up to, Caylee’s body was definitely in that back yard at one point. But if she’d been buried there even one day, the Anthony’s dogs would have noticed asap and been lurking around the grave. Dogs don’t miss that stuff.”
It’ll be interesting to see the results from the soil samples, indeed. It’s plausible that Caylee may have been placed on the ground by/within the playhouse temporarily, but I think Casey brought the blanket w/her for Caylee with the idea she lay on it or have it cover her to sleep in the car alive, but ended up dead in the trunk w/it - used in same way as if alive. I haven’t heard whether anyone in that household’s been asked “when did you last see that blanket” or something along those lines…don’t recall the depos addressing it.
re: July 3rd impassioned MySpace message posted by Cindy: Blink thinks it was something that they found that was alarming to them about Caylee being in danger. However, I think it’s plausible that what was alarming Cindy was that, after having time to unwind & think about things (cuz her mind’s churning all the time), she realized that it’s the things still around but shouldn’t be that alarmed her. After seeing groceries disappear, & Casey basically had “moved out” (given the green truck incident) but not Caylee’s massive amount of clothes & diapers, backpacks, sunglasses, hats & shoes, the hair on the back of her neck was standing up & she started to panic…or perhaps Casey dropped something incriminating & Cindy finally found it. It’s clear Cindy was trying to manipulate Casey back with her message, using guilt…which I’m sure was part of that Sociopathic mother-daughter “dance”.
oh, forgot to comment briefly about the dogs ! Cindy & George seemed to be otherwise occupied on the 16th & 17th with mundane things, new job & new schedule, etc, they said they didn’t use the pool either day or night. Given that it’s Florida & hot, & their ‘masters’ were working, it’s possible that the dogs spent the greater part of the day inside the air conditioned house. If they were outside, they might be quite interested in one area to smell, if it were in the soil, & might dig. However, I have a pomeranian which is little like those yorkies..the degree of digging damage it can do is so minimal; & quite frankly, though I haven’t experience w/typical domesticated toy dogs’ interest in dead human body fluids so I don’t know what their reaction would be, I’m not sure that it’d be as pronounced as what some ppl think. It’s not like their territory is threatened by a stranger or strange animal, so barking wouldn’t ensue. And when I let my dog out in the backyard, I don’t watch him ‘go’ - I wait a certain amount of time & call him in, & I didn’t get the feeling from this family that they ‘dote’ on their dogs as if they’re ‘people’. I don’t know. And if she were laid in the playhouse (w/a door, from what I recall of the toy) on a paver, they couldn’t get in unless it were opened for them. Also, it’s quite possible that either Cindy or George walked them for exercise & to relieve them on both days/nights. I don’t recall them being questioned about their habits, just Casey’s & Caylee’s. This is only speculation on my part.
Kleat, I turned my back and walked away from it all about 7 years ago and I am so relieved. But it took me 43 years to do it and the death of my husband of 19 years to save myself. My advice to you is to walk away and never look back.
I feel very sorry for the Anthonys because I think they were trying to live decent, productive lives before this happened. Cindy as an RN, George was a former cop and small business owner of some kind, I think. They had Casey and her child living in their home, trying to take of them and themselves.
Everyone keeps saying Cindy forced Casey to have and keep Caylee, but I think it’s unfair as hell. It was Casey’s decision, Cindy couldn’t force her to do it. Yes, Cindy has some of her own problems, but I do believe the woman knows how to love and care for others. She’s a contributing member of society.
Casey, on the other hand, is a piece of crap who never did anything for anyone. A total user and abuser. I hope we learn the truth about what happened to Caylee and that Casey is punished for it.
Here is how I imagine it will go down.just before george”s name is called to the stand he will release cindy.s sweaty hand lean in and whisper in her ear “hey tell you what I will release your “short hairs and you hand me my “bawlls” back on the count of 3 ready.one..two.
I just re-read Cindy’s interview Aug 4 ‘08:
re: July 3rd:
-Cindy is off work that week.
-Casey is telling her by phone & mostly text that Caylee is with “Zanny’s roommate Jennifer”, at UNIVERSAL during the day while Casey works there.
-Cindy is frustrated because she hasn’t seen Caylee in 2 weeks and she is off work so she could have had Caylee with her that week.
-July 3rd, a Thursday, CINDY GOES TO UNIVERSAL to look for Caylee!!! Doesn’t find her of course.
-later that day, (in Cindy’s recount) - Casey then tells Cindy that ACTUALLY the real truth is that Casey and Caylee are really in Jacksonville, staying with “Jeff Hopkins”, with whom they are making plans to live as a family when they return to Orlando!!!!
(Now, when Cindy got to Universal on the 3rd - wouldn’t she have found out right then that Casey wasn’t working there, etc? I try to picture her walking around the place, asking people where Casey/Caylee/Jennifer are, as if people there should know what she is talking about. And then to be told by Casey later that day a completely new scenario, it seems all that would have been enough to have her head spinning by that night– )
http://cayleeanthony.wordpress.com/2008/08/06/george-and-cindy-anthony-speak-with-greta-transcript/
Just trolling through this again. Cindy tells Greta (in above interviews)that the tool shed is locked because Casy wasn’t able to do some of the things she was able to do last year. What is this supposed to mean?
Cindy spins a response to Greta’s question that Casey offers that Caylee is ‘close’ asking Cindy what she interprets that to mean. Cindy says among spin, “in the neighborhood.”
I think these interviews were early August. Wow. Very interesting to see them again in hindsight.
George tells the tale of seeing them off to work/babysitter, and the 24th Casey popped in to get a change of clothes, brought up the tool shed break-in and that George sees the gas cans inside of the trunk. Cindy has her hand on his leg offering support through this difficult part of the story.–and chimes in that bingo, the gas cans were in the trunk. He tells it as though he actually saw inside of that trunk and if he was close enough to it, why no oder? Did it reek of spilled gas and chlorophorm? Surely, Mr Neat car caretaker would be upset by a spillage like that in the vehicle. No mention of it at all.
I was really looking for the interview and video that Cindy was discussing the hits on the cadaver dogs when she said the yard recently had work done. Also, very early interview where George says that during the missing 31 days, he and Cindy discussed scenarios involving the pool and Caylee/Casey, wondering what Casey must have done. I thought it was another Greta interview. Is anybody onto any of this? Where can I find these?
(I also tried the google earth method of seeing the yard–google map had been updated in Dec 08. no help there.)
Onto digging up timelines and who was where when aroung July 3.Something did spur that myspace message from Cindy.
I actually do have a life…..I am just really bothered by the deceptions- for what?! to save who?!
Children are not disposable. Justice, please.
And Dont forget Casey’s antics that weekend and on 7/7 Her End of Days…
B
Actually I disagree. I think Caylee was in the trunk the night of the 16th and 17th, and placed in the backyard on the 18th and buried under the playhouse.
B
nope, that’s ok I believe she moved her on the 23rd.
B
HEY BLINK..SO, YOU BELIEVE THAT CAYLEE’S BODY WAS BURIED UNDER THE PLAYHOUSE FROM THE 18TH UNTIL THE 23D?….
DO YOU HAVE DOGS? THE ANTHOHY’S HAVE 2 (OR MORE) YAPPY DOGS…AND , THE ANTHONY’S SPENT ALOT OF TIME IN THEIR BACKYARD…I KNOW FROM HAVING DOGS..WHEN A DOG PICKS UP A SCENT OF SOMETHING DEAD THEY WILL DIG IT UP ( EVEN IF THEY ARE NOT CADAEVER DOGS)….
THE ANTHONY’S WOULD HAVE NOTICED THEIR OWN DOGS GOING MENTAL (FOR AN ENTIRE WEEK) , TRYING TO DIG UP A DEAD BODY, EVERY TIME THEY WERE LET OUT…BELEIVE ME , I HAD DOGS AND THAT IS WHAT THEY DO.. AND, EVEN DOGS CAN SMELL BEYOND THE “NON-AIR TIGHT GARBAGE BAGS” THAT CASEY USED..SO , HOW DO YOU EXPLAIN THAT?
THANKS J
Re: “and if things go wrong, heck, they will have their control, the money coming in, and Casey will be where they want her anyway, out of their lives.”
Casey is EXACTLY where they’ve wanted her to be for a very long time - in jail (the reason Cindy called 911 to begin with); Casey has done everything she can (except get a ‘regular’ job & keep it) including porn shots & murder, to get the heck away from them but in such a way that she ’sticks it to them’. They have control over their everyday lives like they wanted..they seek to control their daughter’s image thru the media & the courts’ release of evidence. The only thing they desperately need is for their granddaughter to somehow get disassociated w/their daughter, in order to ‘revise history’ & keep their foundation money flowing in, to make a living off ‘missing children’.
bottomline said: “When questioned by bro about not bringing Caylee around don’t you remember her remark? (because I am/can be a spiteful b****!)” … I think she was being extremely sarcastic & throwing it back in their faces via Lee, & it was something her mother had called her many times before. But the difference this time was she’d cut the ties & no longer had use for her mother & father. (Just as they’d been relieved she was gone.) It wasn’t that she herself thinks she’s anything bad, or a bi***.
Her basic, bottomless rage (as a sociopath) and her skewed perception of reality & deep-seated belief that she’s perfect & can manipulate every situation her way is the reason she’s incapable of taking a plea. She knows her parents are manipulating things their way & probably hates them for it. I don’t think they “get” her at all…Shirley Plesea is so refreshing. How she spawned someone like Cindy I’ll never know.
So glad others noticed the way Georgie pulled his hand away when Cindy tried to hold it for the umptenth time during the court hearing Friday. Also how he jumped up and headed out the door without telling Cindy he was leaving … Loved it !!!!! I bet poor Georgie heard about this when they got home .( Wouldn’t you just love to have been there !..You could tell she was surprised to see he had ran out and she grabs her stuff and tries to catch up with him …. Made my day !!!! So glad the camera was on them at that point !!
Just discovered this site …. Enjoyed it ! . I also have always thought Caylee was buried in the backyard first and under the playhouse and the Anthony’s found something the day they did all that yard and paver work…
Yes I also felt that Georgie was putting on quite a show for the judge’s benefit …I do think he cared about Caylee but he seemed to be laying it on pretty thick there towards the end .. And the part about this ” being all for Caylee today” was also for the public’s benefit since we all have rightfully defended Caylee and got on the Anthony’s case about not standing up for Caylee..
Patricia I think george really suffers when he is confronted with the truth of caylee’s demise.that autopsy report detailing the condition of her remains wonked him where it hurts.he is pizzed off who isn’t?
NO.
Personally I do not believe Caylee was ever chloroformed. Ever
B
HEY BLINK…AMY SPECIFICALLY STATED THAT SHE WAS AMAZED THAT WHEN CASEY DRAGGED CAYLEE TO PARTIES THAT EVERYONE WAS AMAZED THAT CAYLEE ” JUST SLEPT THROUGH THE NIGHT”….A 3 YEAR OLD DOES NOT JUST SLEEP THROUGH PARTIES, IN A SMALL DUMPY HOUSE ( PAPER THIN WALLS), BLASTING MUSIC, AND THE SHRILL ECHO OF 20 YEAR OLDS TALKING OVER LOUD MUSIC.?!…THERE IS NO WAY THAT A CHILD COULD JUST NATURALY SLEEP THROUGH THE NIGHT ( WITHOUT SOME TYPE OF SEDATION)…OBVIOUSLY CASEY HAD RESEARCHED CHLOROFORM AND LEARNED THAT CHLOROFORM WAS USED AS A SEDATIVE–TO SEDATE….SO, HOW DO YOU EXPLAIN CAYLEE’S UN-NATURALL DEEP-COMA-LIKE SLEEP IN THOSE INSTANCES?
1) Chlorofrom levels are from Casey dumping the chloroform into the trunk to attempt to mask the smell, as she did the petral. Did you note te gas based redings from that trunk? Only possible from spilling gas in the trunk directly, imo.
HEY BLINK..CHLOROFORM DOES NOT HAVE A STRONG “MASKING ODOR” ( COMPARED TO GASOLINE)…SINCE CHLOROFORM IS MADE OF ACETONE IT EVAPORATES AND IS ALMOST ODORLESS..I JUST DON’T SEE THE REASONING BEHIND THIS THEORY AS TO WHY CASEY WOULD GO TO ALL THE TROUBLE OF MAKING “HOME MADE CHLOROFORM” WHEN SHE COULD USE GAS (OR ANY OTHER OVER THE COUNTER CLEANING PRODUCTS)..?
Casey and Ricardo’s interest in chloroform was sexual.
CASEY ONLY BEGAN RESERACHING CHLOROFORM IN MARCH(?) AND SHE AND RICARDO BROKE UP SHORTLY THEREAFTER….WHAT DO YOU BASE YOUR THERORY ON THAT THE CHLOROFORM WAS A SEXUAL AID BETWEEN CASEY AND RICARDO? .. I KNOW RICARDO HAD THE ” WIN HER OVER WITH CHLOROFORM ” ON HIS COMPUTER AS A ” BAD JOKE”…IE .” IF YOU CLOROFORM YOUR DATE, SHE WILL BE SO PASSED OUT THAT YOU CAN HAVE YOUR WAY AND DATE RAPE HER”?!. ( PARAPHRASED)…
YOU STATE THAT YOU BELIEVE THAT CASEY AND RICARDO’S “INTEREST IN CHLOROFORM WAS SEXUAL”…FYI : TWO PEOPLE GETTING HIGH ON CLOROFORM, WOULD BE PASSED OUT, IN A COMA-LIKE STATE; THEY WOULD NOT BE SEXING IT UP…CHLOROFORM IS NOT AN APHRODISIAC…SO, DO YOU BELIEVE THAT CASEY WAS ONLY RESEARCHING ” CHLOROFORM” FOR THE SAKE OF CASEY’S AND RICARDO’S LOVE LIFE ( RATHER THAN USING IT FOR WHAT IT WAS INTENDED FOR–TO SEDATE)?? I JUST DON’T SEE THE REASONING..
There was no evidence of it in Caylee’s hair either.
RE : NO EVIDENCE OF CHLOROFORM IN CAYLEES HAIR…..I HAVE READ NUMEROUSE REPORTS AND HAVE SEEN CORORNERS COMMENT THAT IT WOULD BE VERY UNLIKELY THAT CHLOROFORM WOULD HAVE REMAINED IN CAYLEE’ HAIR AFTER ALL THIS TIME AND BECAUSE IT EVAPORATES QUICKLY…DO YOU BASE YOUR OPINION THAT CAYLEE WAS NEVER CHLOROFORMED BY CASEY BECAUSE OF THE ABSENCE OF CHLOROFORM FOUND IN HER HAIR…
NORMALLY,I CAN REALLY TRACK ON YOUR THEORIES BUT THESE OBSERVATIONS SEEMED, TO ME, OFF BASE AND REQUIRED FURTHER CLARIFICATION…
THANKS J
ros; here is one of the Greta interviews I think you want;
http://www.foxnews.com/video/index.html?playerId=011008&streamingFormat=FLASH&referralObject=2963763&referralPlaylistId=playlist
Blink, it takes a road map to figure out who had privilege with Dom Casey, when, overlapping who, and who else when. Baez, Casey without Baez, Cindy and George without Baez or Casey but overlapping same time as Casey, and nothing in writing!! And then the story changes…
Actually, it will come down to contracts, Dom started working for Casey on Sept 12, and work product in the civil case would be extrapalated in the deposition. He can’t just say.. I have no info that’s usable once he is properly served. I do think he is going to be very limited in what he says in the depo, but he will be required to give one and certify questions like any other witness. Another thing, the issue of him getting paid or not getting paid by someone is absolutley going to come into play. The verbiage of that response tells me clearly that my BF Morgan is adding the As’ to this suit as he should.
B
I wonder what Cindy really learned from the Universal security booth attendant about ‘Employee Casey’ ? Can anyone see Cindy just looking in from the parking lot to see if she could spot Caylee at one of the Character Break-fast-ses? Oh yeah, there’s the phone call, but why wouldn’t Cindy make inquiries about Casey’s job while she was there, like where her office is, when she’s coming back into work.
I hang around this site and read lots because this case interests me so much, but I dont comment very often. However tonight in one of the messages someone mentioned caylee`s shoes and I had never realized nowhere that I can remember are finding any of her shoes mentioned. George mentioned her having her white tennis shoes on the day she left on the 16th. they werent found in casey`a car.
The cadaver dogs bother me cause cindy states they called in a second cadaver dog , cause this one had been wrong sometimes or often, i cant remember her exact words but was when she was showing the house and backyard to Greta. And that the second cadaver dog did not hit on the same places. If I have this right then the whole cadaver thing means nothing, right ???
also I find it hard to believe that george and cindy started the cover up from the start. They both had thoughts that casey had a part in caylees death or disapperance that she wasnt telling truthfully and i feel they talked pretty much honestly at the start.
But something convinced them to believe the nanny threw her to the ground story and then they started all the lies. Interesting too that George started a book that he wrote everything he says to police/FBI so he would remember what he had said, but still he has made some conflicting statements. George was much less likely to believe casey until cindy made him start acting like he believed in his daughter… possibly she would throw him out if he didnt start supporting casey I think cindy was the real enabler for casey being able to tell any lie or steal anything because she never seemed to be able to figure out just how much a diabolical liar her daughter is and still seems like she cant. George was seeing a more real idea of casey but cindy wears the pants and he couldnt do much except try to stay out it so he didnt have to fight cindy. He really is a man with no balls !!
I sure hope we all get to learn the real truth on a lot of this someday. I love coming and reading the ideas here about theories on all this stuff and hope you dont mind a newcomer putting out some ideas.
blink, End of Days, 7/7? Are you referring to the Diary that was discovered. I thought that was disputed because of the ‘03 date marked at the top. Do you think that had been tampered with?
No, her myspace page with the song.
(imo)i think the autopsy is clearly saying clearly murder ,the mandible never dropped because the dt held it in is its original position,if anyone out there can reposition something without the experts telling i’ve got some broken china needs fixin.besides ya know all the pictures of skulls the mouth is always wide open ,cuz once it drops and rigor mortis, it dont close back up, i could be wrong ,am studying up on it and it seems to be a timing thing, decomp has to start for the mucles proteins ,and rigor mortis to disappear to allow the dead jaw to be taped closed.(imo)
I take no pleasure witnessing the machinations and pain of the Anthonys. They’ve been victimized in the most cruel way I can think of … by their own daughter. No, they have not made good choices or decisions since this began. No, they did not make good decisions before this happened either. But, they are not and were not monsters. The emotional wreckage we all see as Cindy & George Anthony are tragic human beings. I pity them. I wish I could help them to grieve in a healthy manner. I wish I could help them understand that seeking justice for their murdered granddaughter is their only path to healing. But they are beyond our grasp, they are destroyed. It is so pathetic to witness. I pray that God will help them, for only He can save them now.
FairestWitness,
My mother-in-law is a sociopathic bitch from hell. Had I understood the effect her influence had on my husband, although I love him and will not leave him, I’d never have married him. I finally get it why he has the emotional issues he does and am no longer angry when he acts strangly because it’s due to a manipulative evil mother!!!
This woman refused to go to our wedding 25 yrs ago because “she didn’t want to see her son make the biggest mistake of his life”. Interesting…she was on marriage #5!!!!! yup, one of those “Christians” who is so sure she’ll be on the right hand of Christ next to God, but curses like a sailor, judges EVERYONE lesser than she, lived with a young man only 4 yrs older than her son for a time (going to church all along) and her current hubby is only 5 yrs older than her son/my husband.
My sister-in-law is WORSE than her mom, and I feel this is what happened to Casey. When my mother in law dies, I will dance in the streets. She to this day calls and manipulates my husband hit is UNable to say no to her. I pray to God he and I have many years once she’s gone….that way we can have some normalcy at some point in life.
Those without a mother in law like this do not understand. Every holiday, birthday, special event…if she’s not center of attention…she makes DAMN sure she causes a problem and becomes the center of attention…then starts the little crying act for sympathy. She gets none from me. She hates me to this day and I am glad. Can you tell the damage such a person has on others? I only see her about 2 or 3 times a year and the effects on my family ANY time she is around lasts for at least 2 wks afterward. I could go on and on
Very good comment about the fact there was not a mention of any shoes being found and yet it has been said that George ( if he is correct and also telling the truth ) said she was wearing shoes when she left….. Any feeling regarding the lack of shoes, Blink? Happy Father’s Day to all the dads out there…Also love the pic the video is set to on this site with Cindy’s butt up in the ear.. Yep, that is her , she just can’t sit there , she has to take control somehow and tell her Lawyer how to do his job and what to say….
blink here is a link screaming mummies http://www.archaeology.org/online/features/screaming_mummy (as little as ten minutes for rigor mortis to set in)(starts with facial muscles)(18 to 36 hours to disappear)
thats kinda morose for sunday morning sorry you can delete
is what it is Susan, thanks for posting
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Blink…
May I please ask a question ? I am wondering why no mention of the heart shaped sticker residue on the tape was mentioned in the autopsy report ? Also why no shoes at the site also? thanks in advance .
Because the tape was sent to the FBI lab, it was not processed here.
Not being flip, but there were no shoes mentioned because she was not wearing any
B
Brenda, I am so very sorry for the misery in your life. Your mother in law sounds just like my stepmother. She ruined every holiday and special occasion, too. I know exactly what you mean. Cut the bitch off with another word.
I don’t see Cindy Anthony as the cause of Casey’s problems. Cindy’s crazy behavior, bad judgment & dumb decisions are defensive, due to her inability to cope with Casey’s sociopathic narcissism. Sociopaths & narcissists don’t love anyone. I do believe Cindy loved Caylee and I think she loves her husband. I think she cares about her daughter, as well. She’s just lost. And she’s enraged at everything and everybody. Who can blame her? I would be, too.
Thought of something out of the blue. Anyone else remember that the same night George last say Caylee alive Casey is known to have gone to the movie store with the current beau and rent that movie that had the scene of the decaying body in the trunk of the car? Caylee was already at that point no where to be found. My money is on the fact she killed Caylee after leaving her parents’ home that day and left the body in the trunk until the day she backed into the driveway.
As for the shoes…could THAT be what Cindy found in the backyard on July 3rd? As you know from my previous posts, my theory is Casey returned to the house for the bags and blanket, etc. for the dumping/burial of her daughter’s remains. NO way it was an accident. As for the pool and ladder, still wondering if only to wash up her hands, or possible try and wash the smell of decay from Casey’s body? Probably way too late for the forensics to have detected any chlorine on the blanket if that is so, but another fact I’ll have to wait and find out!
As for the shovel, other than buring her daughter, I had theorized she used it to pick up the body at first, but then learned there was no decomposition evidence on it unless I”m not remembering correctly. Anyone know anything else about the shovel? The neighbor did state it hadn’t been used since Casey borrowed it.
I read the m&m depo of g&c and found it faconating those guys rock and it cleared up many things for me. It is clear now that kc was the caregiver who spent nost of her time with caylee. This is why g&c don’t seem to flinch that she was unemployed and they probably consented. It also shows that kc had the opportunity to be caylees killer rather than some other dude? Good job I was bothered by the idea that the grandparents could be so uncurious about a stranger who spent so much time with caylee and now I know why that is.
I will never be able to be convinced that C & G did not ask Casey what happened when she was out on bail and in their home. I do believe JB told them all not to discuss the case. C & G’s hardheadedness and attitude of doing what they want to , whenever they feel like it tells me they did ask and get to the bottom of it. Any family unit would have sat down and hashed it through until the answers were known. Casey’s little flare ups and temper would not have stopped the conversaion until everything was in the open. I would have excused JB from my home and, as a family, would have discussed it until there were no more questions.
I also believe the report that George attacked her upon her return home. I do remember him storming from the home almost imediately after and Lee going to retrieve him. They knew, and they knew early.
I can tell you as a point of fact that Ohio Jim pulled George off of Casey. (Thus why I held out for him)
Remember this quote, you will hear it again “Stop being an effing Cop and Start being my Dad.”
George bought that gun the second he heard Caseys bond was going to be revoked, had there not been a waiting period, who knows what would have happened.
B
Blink, back to the D. Casey Casey of Considerable Contracts, thanks for the explanation. I’d love to see the Linda lawyer handled by the M&M crew when she objects on the basis of G&C and marital privilege (I see that one coming out of her mouth, as she continues to assert priv on behalf of her client on behalf of his clients).
Adding G&C to the suit has only one down-side, and that’s the ‘uninformed public’ opinion of the ‘marketing lawyers going after poor grey-haired grandparents. Cindy will be on an M&M rant every chance she creates. I doubt they will ever get Cindy into that courtroom to hear a judge order her to answer questions and George is stuck to her back with Crazy Glue.
Oh and sorry about my typos and mispells I’m on my blackberry today
Not wearing shoes, George did not mention that the baby was barefoot as she left the house at just before 1pm-during-foodtv show.
so after the autopsy her behavior caylee discarded like yesterday’s trahs how many still think this was a complete accident???? cuase you know in florida if it’s provena accidental= all charges dropped she goes free…how in any way does that honor Caylee!?!?
I dont know who that was to, but I did not see anyone say that. Drives me batty when someone does not take the time to read all the work.
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One more point about the M&M depos, I promise, only one. The order of depositions as planned by M&M is in disarray by the incomplete depos, depos pending clarification by judge, and of course, by new info. This Anthony situation has to be resolved by the judge first, I’d think, because there are objections of marital privilege to be clarified and because they hold the cards in this whole case, next to Casey Marie. There’s a good chance that Dom Casey will have info that contradicts what is in other people’s depos. It’s clear why Cindy put the touchy-feelie moves on her tall PI as caught on the Ritz security cameras, so it went beyond contract loyalty to a more personal loyalty.
isn’t it tragic that these people can’t just honestly state for the record that kc was a stay at home mom and they were ok with that because of caylees murder and kc lies about zg?.
“but there were no shoes mentioned because she was not wearing any”….this to me in a subtle way would support the drowning theory, as I can’t imagine why shoes would be removed before disposing of the body if she were wearing them. And think they would’ve been found in the bag, or closeby had they been present. I haven’t been to FL many times, but in the summer in a hot climate w/ alot of concrete, you don’t go barefoot much, unless you want burned feet.
I find it interesting as these small details come out. Blink, I’m figuring there must be reasons you are adamant against the cloroform theory. You know so much more information about this case than most of us “guessers”. I just figured if Casey was introduced to the cloroform with Ricardo, she might have been curious to expand it’s “uses” in the short time afterwards. And the emphasis on Tony L., not wanting kids, spurred me also. I’d also thought it could’ve been the first, or among the first few times she might have tried it, and it totally went awry. Don’t know, keeping an open mind as I read and listen.
Also get what you mean about drilling it down, it’s splitting hairs, but it still bothers me to know I guess. It would appear bottom line she did suffocate ie. die from lack of oxygen, whether by drowning or other means.
Also seems clear Casey was evading and avoiding like crazy, and when Lee “laid it all out” when the cops were on the way, she had to pull something out of her ass to tell them. The way that story just “popped out” seemed so conived and “on the fly” to me. “Someone who had hit a wall” as it’s been said, “made a left turn and just kept going”. For whatever she had “pre-thought” as an excuse, she was winging it way out there at that momemt. And the Anthony’s knew it as well.
Curiously awaiting to hear what you think it is the Anthony’s found July 3rd too!
In response to an earlier post regarding Jesse Grund’s testimony, I went back yesterday and was reading/listening to some released audio transcripts. I had never listened to RICHARD Grund’s audio because I figured he was not one of the major players. But his audio testimony the day before his son came is was very interesting. Including the statement that Casey had told him a story about sharing a nanny with an old friend - and this was back in 2006 when Caylee was a little baby and Jesse was watching her for Casey when Casey went to “work”.
you can find it on the cfnews.com website. He also had some interesting insights into cindy and George.
Blink-
To add my two cents in this murdering sociopath’s scheme.
I don’t think there was anything accidental about the murder of
Caylee Anthony. IMO Casey was so jealous of the attention that Caylee received from G & C that she was going to get rid on the one thing that got in the way of her being the center of her parents world.
The thought of killing this child had probably crossed her mind many times and argument that she and Cindy had was the straw that broke the camels back, I truly think that Casey decided to get back at Cindy by taking away the one thing that would hurt her the most and stood in the way of Casey being Mommy and Daddy’s little girl.
I still believe that Casey used chloroform as her murder tool of choice. She then taped Caylee up in a complete rage, things were probably not going as she expected and she needed to get it done and over with.
As far as deposing of the body. Like I said before, things were probably not going as she planned (hard soil,???) We all know that is one thing to go over things in your mind and another to actually do them. She was stuck with the body and didn’t know what to do with it.
No doubt that this girl is going to rot in ****!
Bizaar it it may sound; Right now she is surrounded by male cops and male attorney’s, probably very comfortable being at the center of attention.
G&c would make the worst poker players ever all the tells they show. Even monster kc must be aghast?
Also, am aware of the “air samples” from the trunk, but have they ever yet released the analysis/results of the stains from the trunk carpet itself?
re: 7/3/08 myspace post. those last 2 lines in the post are revealing in that SIN didn’t think Caylee was w/Snotmom - so where did she think she was, & why not call 911 at that point?
It’s plausible that Cindy was building the kidnapping alibi, along w/Snotmom KC. It’s also plausible that it was a sign to KC that she’d ‘won’ in their sadistic soc. mom-daughter power dance, yet Cindy ‘dug’ it into her daughter that she wasn’t a ‘good mom’ in that last line in her myspace post. Cindy had that week off to get concrete work done, & to watch Caylee - both of which you know you plan ahead when scheduling vacation at work….w/their stretched finances, ya know SIN talked about this home improvement well in advance. KC knew. She knew the heat would be on her when she didn’t produce Caylee for her mom to babysit - the woman took time off specifically expecting to entertain Caylee.
What supports a conspiracy-type thing w/the Anthonys is that shed. they’d kept KC out of it for 1 yr w/a keyed lock. PROBABLY CUZ SHE’D USED UP THEIR GAS PLENTY OF TIMES B4. KC knew how far that amount of gas would get her in her car. Anthonys knew she was coming in & out for groceries, her clothes. (I’ll bet they inventoried their stuff on a regular basis, knowing what KC was capable of.) So if they see a broken lock, w/gas cans gone, ya know they suspect-to-the-point-of-knowing 4 sure it was KC — & who reports gas cans missing ?? Yet they don’t tell LE: HEY, it’s our daughter who lives here who we suspect–cuz if she lives there & drives their car, it isn’t larceny cuz there’s precedent. They were building a case for “kidnapping”.
But that shed break-in is important for another reason - if the pool chlorine product was in the shed for safety, it’s an ingredient for chloroform & strengthens the case for premeditation. (although premeditation can be split second as well). Same w/the report about the ladder & the pool - why mention it?? simple red herring? maybe, but w/the cadaver dog hit nearby @ the playhouse, & the taped nose & mouth, & matting of hair, it sure plays into either fingering KC, or an attempt to ‘get them out of Dodge’…even if they were trying to frame Amy & Jesse, it backfired into their laps.
Thx FairWitness, glad you are now free. Only a matter of time before my husband (who doesn’t even understand he’s her “slave”) and I are free. She’s already had open heart surgery and has high cholesteral and high blood pressure, but eats NOTHING healthy because God is going to “cure her”. Yeah, right..that’s like saying I”m going to have sex but God isn’t going to let me get pregnant. Or..I’m going to lie but God knows it’s for a good reason. Give me a break. Her diet consists of fried food, donuts and deserts. Only a matter of time :>)
So, B, what are your real thoughts on this? You know me, I need a timelime….. I don’t think Casey killed her, I think she is covering for George. She drowned in the pool. JMHO….. George and Casyee are so scared of Momma that they have made this whole web of lies. Please, B, what do you think, point by point.
Why would kc lie to protect her dad? She can’t see past her own nose for crizzake.sorry blink go ahead and speak for yourself this statement is imo
Blink…. I submitted my question incorrectly about the shoes.. guess I should have said ” If she was found with a different outfit and no shoes other then what George had testified she was wearing , then that means that her clothes were changed at some point ( top and bottoms and shoes left off ) before her little body was dumped in the swamp . ? and I wonder when they were changed ( did she return to the house and change them there or perhaps this outfit was in the backpack that Caylee left with ) and why they were changed … If someone is going to be killed right away it doesnt make sense to change their outfit . ? Blink, I do hope the Prosecutor’s office and Detectives are reading your website so that they can grasp all this insight that you have about the case and use it in their case against Casey.. Maybe they should put you on their payroll …!
To the comment about the shovel not being used that someone mentioned…. If I remember correctly I do remember the neighbor saying that she had returned it and it didnt look like it had been used .. Well, I would have to think that might not be the case if she had used it to dig in sand and not dirt or she could have even stuck it in the pool for a second to clean it off before returning it if there was some type of body decomposition, etc on it .
I’m playing with the idea of the defense buying off or threatening one of the jurors once we get to that stage. Do you think Baez is under so much scrutiny already he could never pull it off? What about the other big fancy defense attorneys? Could they? Or would they? Is there enough fame and fortune involved (tv appearances, books, movies etc.) to risk a move like that?
Also, how does it work when a plea deal is made? Does it still go to trial? Sorry. I’m not knowledgeable in these matters. But I’m sure learning the laws of Florida, at least.
it’s not that i was saying you believe it was an accident or anybody in here it just drives me crazy when i hear different people still try to convince me this was an accident. I read everything here and appreciate it all the time!! I just get’s me how some people not here can say it was a total accident..that’s all.. i appreciate everyone’s comments and thoughts here!:)
i do have one question that naggs at me how is it that casey goes from stealing money from Caylee’s piggybank, from her dying grandfather in his hospice account, grandma and her parent’s, and then somehow ends up with the best defense team ever assembled and known to man? they all pro bono?
I would ike to comment about the pool theory. I live in arizona and as u can imagine we have a lot of pools here. And the leading cause of death here for our children is death by drowning.so much that the local media reports almost daily two things I hate. The number of drownings and the number of days we have 3 digit weather. I have friends who had a 2 year old that drowned at grandmas, angelique who was taken off life support. That being said I am proud to report that at no time was our drowned children trussed up taped up and left for the critters
CaseyAnthonyArchives on youtube (channel) lots of gems…old interviews.
http://www.youtube.com/user/caseyanthonyarchives
Videos…part1&2
8/6/08:RAW INTERVIEW:cindy Anthony Talks To Media For 2nd Time Part 1
Ashley Marie, you’re out of your mind if you think Casey Anthony gives a damn about her father. Casey Anthony doesn’t love anybody but herself.
Talk about being spawn of the devil; in a conversation with her brother Lee, she referred to the “missing” child she killed as a “snot-nosed brat”, for God’s sake. That right there shows what a monster she is.
Riddlemethis; comment 195; Yes the trunk carpet tests have (just?) been released;
http://www.clickorlando.com/download/2009/0619/19801996.pdf
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Ashley Marie,
I’m not sure if you’ve been following the case at all, or you’re new to it, thus the reason for asking for a time line. I can’t imagine anyone that had followed this from day one believing that either George killed Caylee, allowed her to drown, or anything at all other than Casey is the one solely responsible for her death. I do believe there is much help afterward, even if only in the form of lies on her behalf, or in her favor I should say. However, I just can’t wrap my head around anything other than that, nor can I imagine anyone else. With that being said, we all have our own opinions, and for that I’m grateful, and I certainly won’t bash on you personally for your opinion. Only would like to ask how in the world you came up with that? I’m not sure what time line you’re asking for?? You can find many sites that list the times from day one to present, simply by googling Casey Anthony timeline, or documents, something like that should lead you to a page where you can start from day one and possibly get the answers you’re after.
If there is such proof that she lies habitually- such as the car accident, no hospital records, no car accident report- among so many other ones that never added up & have been proven untrue- how in the world did she pull of getting such a defense team without payment? Are they only seeking notoriety maybe?- how did she manage this with all the evidence mounting. I would also like to know one thing- Was Casey able to pick out the Zendia Gonzales from a line up of pictures? The story gets stranger & stranger each month. It will go down in history like Drew Peterson’s case. How he managed to trick so many people.
Puzzling fact that from testimony of the neighbour who loaned the shovel to Casey, that the shovel was NOT used. How would he know unless it was obvious? What if the shovel were used as a pry-bar to lift a block from the ground, what if it were used instead of ‘digging’ a hole, to scoop something up from the surface of the dirt that couldn’t be picked up by hand, something maybe that came out of a broken plastic bag (thus double bagging or replacing a first torn bag). For the first scenario, bricks would leave scratches of material on the shovel, maybe not seen with the eye or just not noticed, if the shovel were to have taken bodily fluids from decomposition from a spill in the back yard, the shovel could simply have been hosed off and visually, nothing noticed.
If Casey borrowed the shovel, good chance she used it, for something, if not digging dirt. And she’d have washed it, especially if it had something on it that would cause a stain or attract attention from the owner, or from flies.
re: comment #124 “Your only at the tip of the iceberg on this but working in the right direction, anybody want to help her out?
B”
Totally baffled, could anybody put me out of my misery and respond to this? Also does anybody have an opinion on the missing diary pages?
Cheers
C
http://www.docstoc.com/search/Casey-Anthony-21stBirthday-Party-Photos-Pics/
then click on Casey Anthony FaceBook My Space Photobucket Photos
scroll down to 10th photo of Caylee in her playhouse the photo with a pink small lawnchair also…there is a floor in the playhouse.
Am pretty new to Blink and am also a techno-dummy!! Can anyone tell me how I would access Blink’s archival ‘installments’ (?)
Thanks, thanks, thanks . . .
Well, I did some backtracking on the trunk stain at least in the media; preliminarily CNN reported there was no DNA found in the fluid, which is consistent with “cadavering fluid”. Per George located more in the center of the trunk,in relation to the tire cover, roughly the size of a basketball, and not completely circular, but somewhat of that shape. Paraphrasing ‘that well known smell’ definitively emitting from it per George. Sorry if that’s redundant to some, I kept waiting for something concrete re: the composition of that stain, and still don’t remember seeing it yet.
As gruesome as it sounds, (sorry) some of the body releases at death, being a baby is diapered, likely wouldn’t show regardless of where it occurred. There’s so much to this case over such a period of time, it’s mind boggling when you start going back.
http://edition.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0811/21/ng.01.html
Also wonder if there’s any way they’d be able to tie degradation of the plastic bag(s) to a chemical cause,if that were the case, as suggested by JWG?
ros, post 172, here’s the lyrics:
“Diary of Days
On the worst of worst days, remember the words spoken
Trust no one, only yourself.
With great power, comes great consequence.
What is given can be taken away.
Everyone Lies.
Everyone Dies.”
Hey Julie, thanks! That’s interesting– the floor is the square pink cement patio ‘pavers’. If Caylee were under those pavers, there’s the need for the shovel, to lift at least the first one or help lift the package out.
That would answer about the little pet dogs sniffing around. Unless they did something unusual, like start to ‘dig’ at the location if the baby was there, cry, make a fuss, agitated etc, their behaviour might have gone unnoticed, as sniffing around because of food scraps dropped by a toddler, or maybe a rodent or cat was there or something innocent to explain their interest. I don’t know how terrier’s would behave naturally for a smell of death. Terriers want live prey, movement so maybe they would have avoided the area or not shown interest.
Annals TY !! we must have been posting at the same time re: my last post.
lola - Can’t say anything about the rest; and while I usually think trying to put yourself in someone like Casey’s head is foolish, as they do not think like most people. Here’s a shot, I’ve started journals before in hard bound blank books, gave it up for awhile, and went back. Tore out previous pages to ’start anew’, so that might explain the ‘03 date on the inside cover with later entries and torn out pages. So I don’t think they can prove it unless they date it by the ink (which I never knew CAN be done, until this case). (if she didn’t use an ‘old’ pen!!)
Bees- go to the main page and ‘refresh’, look on the left hand column and click any link for archives.
P.S. Bees- I fully expect having to ‘eat those words’ at some point in the future, LOL
Kleat !! I agree great post by Julie, and this was from Casey’s 21st bday? she’s a Gemini (I think), there’s a paver floor then…..Blink says later there was not a floor in this play house, and mentioned all the stuff being moved around in the backyard……hmmmm…….and hmmmm again.
okay, I’m done spammin’ the posts!
HEY BLINK…
SO, YOU BELIEVE THAT GEORGINA AND SINDY ACTUALLY FOUND SOMETHING IN THEIR BACK YARD ON JULY 3RD?…IS THAT A THEORY OR BASED ON FACT?…
I HAD ALWAYS THOUGHT THAT THE REASON THAT SINDY (AND GEORGINA )WERE GOING MENTAL IS BECAUSE :
1)CASEY HAD BEEN BLOWING THEM OFF— AND THEY WERE FURIOUS BECAUSE THEY COULD NOT REACH HER…
2) IT WAS THE THE DAY BEFORE JULY 4TH AND I AM SURE THEY ANTICIPATED SPENDING THE DAY WITH CAYLEE AND WATHCHING THE FIREWORKS ETC.
3) HENCE, SINDY, WITH NO OTHER WAY TO COMMUNICATE WITH CASEY, WROTE HER DESPARATE MY SPACE PLEA TO HER DAUGHTER (ATTEMPTING TO GUILT HER OUT AND KNOWING THAT SHE WOULD SEE THE MYSPACE MESSAGE)..
4) THEN, CASEY , RESPONDS TO SINDY WITH HER CRYTIC “F-YOU” MESSAGE MAKING IT OBVIOUSULY CLEAR THAT SHE HAS ALL THE POWER AND CONTROL IN THE RELATIONSHIP…
5) SO, SINDY ,CRAZED AND FURIOUS , SENDS LEE OUT TO TRACK DOWN CASEY AND CAYLEE ( SINCE IT HAD BEEN ALMOST 3 WEEKS SINCE SHE LAST SAW THEM).
SO, IF SINDY AND GEORGINGA DID ACTUALLLY FIND SOMETHING IN THE BACK YARD ON JULY 3RD, WHAT WAS IT ( BECAUSED NOTHING HAS BEEN MENTIONED IN DISCOVERY TO DATE?)…
THANKS J
Blink-
Any updates on the complaints to the Florida against Jose Baez? Also, just how is this guy paying his bills…..if I am reading the Orange County clerk’s website correctly, he has only taken on 2 new clients since Casey and both of those were in May of this year….one for some drug charges and the other for theft. How is he keeping the lights on?
One more thing, any updates on Lee Anthony?
I can tell you as a point of fact that Ohio Jim pulled George off
Remember this quote, you will hear it again “Stop being an effing Cop and Start being my Dad.”
George bought that gun the second he heard Caseys bond was going to be revoked, had there not been a waiting period, who knows what would have happened.
B
HEY BLINK… IT IS MY UNDERSTANDING THAT CASEY WAS ALREADY AT HOME WHEN THE GUN WAS CONFISCATED FROM GEORGINA’S CAR TRUNK BY L.E?….
( I THOUGHT IT WAS RICHARD GRUND WHO REPORTED THAT GEORGE HAD PURCHASED THE GUN TO L.E.– KNOWING THAT THE CONDITIONS OF PAROLE- FOR CASEY –DID NOT ALLOW FIREARMS IN THE RESIDENCE..?)
I KNOW THE JUDGE RULED THAT CASEY’S BOND WOULD NOT BE REVOKED AS A RESULT OF THE INCIDENT SINCE SHE WAS NOT AT FAULT…
SO, THAT BEING STATED, WHAT DO YOU MEAN REGARDING “WHAT COULD HAVE HAPPENED” IF THERE WAS NOT A “WAITING PERIOD” ( SINCE I BELIEVE CASEY , GEORGE AND THE GUN WHERE ALL AT THE HOUSE SIMULTANEOUSLY BEFORE IT WAS CONFISCATED BE L.E) ? .
THANKS J
Ok I -
I am going to limit my good friend to 1 question per post, I simply cannot keep up.
Yes, KC was home, but through Baez, Padilla and the A’s knew the economic charges were coming down and as per their agreement, Padilla had the right to revoke bond, as he did. I never heard Richard called in the tip of the gun and I dont believe it. GA bought that gun the morning of the 29th, KC was arrested a la Nancy Grace that night.
B
HEY LADY BLINKIE…IT AINT NO FAIR SCOLDUN ME CUSZ I GIST GOTTA KNO!!
THNKS FER THE INSIGT…
I ONLY WISH THAT THE BALL-LESESS EUNICH GEORGINA WUDDA DONE PULLD THE TRIGGER (WHEN HE DUN HAD THE CHANCE )AND HADD SHOT THAT HO-BITSCH IN THI FACE LIKE SHE DUN DESRVED –FOR HARMIN THAT LITTLE SNICKERDOODLE ANGEL CAYLEE…..
I CAINT STAND THEM EVIL ANTHONYS…THE WHOLEE LOT OF EM HAVE SOULZ BLACKER THANN EGYPT AND R GOIN STRAIT TO HE-L–L..THEYS DUN TRIDE TO DISQUISE THEMSILVES AS GOD-FEARIN FOLKK BUT, IN RALITYYY THEY HAVE MADE A PACT WITHH THE DEVIL TA SAVE THE HO-HIDE OF THERE EVIL SPAWNN, CAYESE MARIE HO-BITSCHE- ANTOONY!
NOW I GOTS TA GO TAKE MY POSSUM PIE OFF THE WINDOWWSILL B-FOR THEM BLACKBIRRDDS GIT AT IT…
THATNKS ELLIE-MAY
So given the opportunity do you suppose as I believe george will come threw for caylee at trial? Not so certain we need him to at this point given she has provided most of the circumstancial evidence herself but I would like him to have a “shot” at putting the last nail in her coffin.metaphorically speaking. I mean living with monster and the shrew must have been one big nasty hang for george until caylee.
Great! Thank you, Riddle!!!
LOL ELLIEMAY
WELL SAID AND WITH LOTS OF HUMOR.
TY! annals #170 and Julie #206 posts for the archive video links. Yes, that is the video with Cindy and Greta for the backyard/toolshed tour. I am remembering an even earlier footage, though, of George talking in the backyard with a reporter.Cindy may have been there too but George was talking. The shot was as if the camera was standing in front of the playhouse (in it’s current location)shooting towards the pool and side door to the home. George says something like I thought the reporter was Greta but I must be off on that. I’ll keep looking, maybe in my notes somewhere…. I think this is important to know what they themselves were speculating before the lies.-or what the early lies were.
Blink and Kleat, posts #174 and 216, RE: End of Days
OH, Duhhh!!! That Diary of Days!!! Thank you so much. (can you hear the sound of me gathering heaps of scattered scrap paper notes from the table and floor!)
I’m hoping Casey gets those great consequences
Someone asked earlier about the plastic letters and the BIG TROUBLE COMES SMALL. I’ve seen many childrens’ shirts, and have often seen the cutsie phrase “Big trouble comes in small pacakages”. Also, with regard to the letters not decomposing- oftentimes apliques are made of plastic material, which is less susceptible to decomposition.
I have five children. Noone knows exactly how they would react in any given situation, unless they face it. To borrow from Sotomayor (which means large attic), “I would like to think that a wise xx woman” would more often than not behave in a way that would be an example to her children. I believe that if one of my beloved children did something so heinous as murder or cause (by negligence or accident) the death of my grandchild, that I would NOT enable them, rather, encourage them to turn themself in, and tell the truth. Again, I qualify this with knowing that until you walk in another person’s shoes…
As for the name-calling of the grandparents, it really makes the arguments against them less effective. It detracts from the truth of things, and minimizes the significance of their actions. I absolutely do not condone covering up for a child-killer, even if it’s one’s child (who did the killing), but I can tell you that reading all of the name calling just makes the arguments of the people commenting less effective. And I am not referring to “monster” or “inhuman”, but things like Spindy and Georgina. It detracts from the significance of your message.
I do have compassion and empathy for the parents, to the extent that they have already lost their grandchild, who they clearly loved, and now they are facing the loss of their daughter. I believe that they may have painted themselves into a proverbial corner by trying to protect her (Casey), at this point. Now they will face serious consequences if they come clean with the whole story.
Blink, please help me out here, I know that there is immunity for a spouse, but I do not believe there is immunity for a parent. Meaning that I do not believe that a parent can invoke the right not to incriminate. Is that correct?
Now it appears as if the Anthony’s have, in an attempt to protect their child, knowing that they can no longer protect their grandchild, have put themselves in a very volatile and dangerous situation. If nothing more, it appears that they could be held accountable as accessories after the fact, and for obstruction of justice.
When you’re considering their behavior, try to consider that their grandchild has been killed and is buried, and that they are faced with the loss of their daughter, who may face the death penalty or LIP. They may have behaved in this manner in the face of such drastic situations, though that seems not to be the way they conducted their lives prior to Caylee’s murder.
Also, I don’t believe the accident theory. If a child were to drown, let’s say..the most likely charge a parent would face is negligence or child endangerment. If Casey was stupid enough to attempt to stage an abduction and murder after an accidental death…well, she may be one of those darwin award recipients.
Thats Correct, and I do agree on the name calling, I may have put my own zinger or 2 out there, but I agree I would like to keep the “nicknames” off this site. Opinions welcome, but let’s not be mongers.
B
oops, in previous post I deleted the part about what George says in the video I am remembering.
reporter asks something about what they were thinking was going on during the missing 31 days and George says paraphrase: we have been trying to think of scenerios that Casey might have done, we even thought of an accident with the pool, as gruesome as that may sound.
I don’t think it’s likely that George will recant any of his lies. I am not of the opinion that he values truth much. I believe that George is largely a magical thinker, plus being a habitual liar.
Examples of George lying previous to Caylee going missing;
1) He lied to Cindy about a debt; said it was from gambling. It was really from participating in an internet scam.
2) He lied about Casey being not pregnant to extended family members, into her 7th month.
3) In his conversation with Tony Lazarro which LE taped, Lee Anthony talks about how his family members lie. Paraphraising, he says; Himself and Cindy lie to solve problems and that George and Casey often just lie without any appearant reason at all.
Yes, I know George really adored Caylee and misses her desperately. But I cannot miss observing that his overarching demeanor is anger. And who he rages at is LE, the press, the interested public, the State (the proscicuters office) and Morgan & Mitnick. Well those are all the parties who are working to uncover the TRUTH, which he has no interest in. The truth trumps magical thinking and it makes George mad.
I believe watching this tragedy play out that george early on told the truth as he knew it not knowing the facts he suspected but was not certain.that seems to have changed just before or just after kc made bail and got released around 8/14? You say george joined the kc parade after meeting with the fbi? But you also report he attacked kc on 8/29? What was the trigger on that date and is that when he decided to join kc and back her lies? He snapped then felt guilty afterward? What do you suppose he told the grand jury then? U also noticed it was just after the m&m depos florida filed to seek the dp? Was this because they saw as I did that g&c could not truthfully disassociate kc from caylees murder?
Jenn, your dates are wrong. It was 7/29, not 8/29. Personally, I believe that Cindy definately, and George probably knew Caylee was dead the weekend of 8/11.
B
K thanks for clarifying the dates. So they did only suspect and knew for sure on 811 that’s when kronk called in the first tip re the dump site right? Who told g&c?
Oh man as it baez?
Did g&c know not only that caylee was dead but where she was as well?
I will go back thru the ng show transcripts again but I do recall reading how tim miller called off his searches around the 9th of august or thereabouts citing poor conditions hurricane fay and I also remember he appeared on ng and said something about the anthonys giving him grief about searching for caylee body not looking for a live caylee also in august I think so that must be when cindy left her scathing message? I will fact check my recollections.
So on 7/29 george buys a gun then on 811 you believe cindy and possibly george know that caylee is dead which also is the date kronk calls in his first tip. Also in the ng transcripts wftv reports a search with cadaver dogs near a retention pond near the anthonys home based on a call le receives about a suspisious smell? And tim miller calls off his searches as well. So the major players you alude to in the 1st scamanthony series but have not named yet would include ???
Um blink is the unaccounted for trust bank funds and the money trail leading us to the anthonys buying the silence of some key witnesses for the prosecution of kc?
Not to my knowledge
B
Blink, When Casey put Caylee in the “swamp”, I don’t think she casually walked in and gently laid her body on the ground. I think she was in a hurry, I think she was afraid of snakes and I think she wanted her hidden in the water and brush. I think she probably raced in and tossed her as far as she could. I think that might be how the “hairline fracture” happened.
This is also what I believe
B
Dear #212,
IMO, missing diary pages are parts of Casey’s life she was disgarding, no longer cared about. Kinda like deleting all Caylee’s photos from her MySpace acct. That part of her life was “over”.
Thanks riddleme this I’ll keep pondering
Blink, is it your contention that Casey did not intend to kill Caylee? That her death was the result of neglect?
The reason I ask is that I recently listened to all the taped interviews of the various witnesses conducted by the FBI and OPD. I came away with the distinct impression that Casey resented the responsibilities of Caylee, that those duties interfered with her new relationship with Tony Lazarro. A couple of social invitations had to be declined by Casey because Cindy wouldn’t allow her out. Here she was 22 years old and her mother was telling her she couldn’t go somewhere. Is it possible Casey killed her daughter to be free?
I have fluctuated between a NEGLIGENT Accident (meaning something occurred that was preventable and caused through negligence of her Mother in some way), and murder in a split second fit of rage and frustration. The exact placement of the duct tape in the autopsy report has changed my opinion drastically. I believe the latter.
B
I am having a hard time believing Caylee’s death was an accident. It seems to me that if it was an accident, she should have cracked by now. I mean the girl is charged with premeditated murder with special circumstances, carrying the death penalty. That is some very deep trouble she’s in.
Surely her lawyers realize that jurors will look at Casey’s lies and lack of cooperation with LE as evidence of her guilt. She needs to save herself if Caylee’s death was an act of negligence, because is she goes to trial like this, she’s finished.
casey left a note or maybe a photo of kc/caylee which was founf on 7/3. So if g&c knew for certain by 8/11 then they had to know where as well.this is why george jumped over to the dark side as you put it. Also can’t be charged for not reporting the location of a body right? But it would look bad for kc and the a’s if this can be prooved at trial.could create some reasonable doubt
If not Mark NeJame, then exactly WHO does Cindy refer to in the call to Tim Miller where she says (as near as I can hear from the tape):
“…we have the recordings still….[ unsure of what she says here, maybe 'logged'] …. my attorney’s office has the recordings, of the threats [to?] left against my husband left on his cell phone, both of ‘em.”
Who is Cindy’s attorney and what was the date of this call? (it was after Tim was on NG, maybe a first time?)
Nope that’s correct. I was referring to when the trust issues occurred, he has nothing to do with that.
B
Thanks Blink… you are fast this morning!
Accident or negligence can’t be proven now they left caylee to the critters too long. Autopsy looks like murder and nothing but murder.
Blink, I agree with your present opinion. I think Casey lost control, maybe Caylee was crying or having a tantrum, although that was not Caylee’s normal demeanor, as described by all those who loved her.
The altercation with Cindy on the night of Father’s Day, June 15th(?), I think enraged Casey. I think she may have been angry later and took it out on Caylee, who naturally became upset. She may have been abusive to her and it just escalated out of control.
Cindy was justified in her anger about Casey’s continual theft of money from her grandparents, parents, Caylee’s piggy bank, etc. I believe the confrontation with her mother was the trigger. Not that I am blaming Cindy, she had every right to confront the bitch about her lifetime of thievery.
Like I’ve said before, the Anthonys have been Casey’s prey for a very long time. I think the Anthonys have been so damaged by their daughter that they need years of therapy to recover.
Listening to all the interviews, one thing comes across very clearly, Cindy Anthony has had enough of this crap — she’s very angry, so is George. They have every right to be.
Blink, will you comment on the cadavor dogs hitting in the Anthony’s yard? I have wondered about Cindy’s description of those hits in her August Greta interview/tour of the yard. She called them 2 inconsistant hits/alerts signaled by the 1st dog, then the 2nd dog did not alert in the same spots (nor did the 2nd dog alert at all?)
Is that LE’s interpretation of the dogs’ signals?
No, the dog hits are solid, 100%
B
Somewhere in the past 24 hours I’ve read that Caylee had a postmortem hairline fracture on her tibia. I can’t remember where I read it and now can’t find it. Is there any truth to this? I haven’t read the autopsy reports yet.
I cant figure out why it is being referred to as hairline when it specifically states the margin at the distal end is jagged.
B
So hence my belief fairwitness that the anthonys point to kc as the killer with every word they speak. the baez team is using their anger and guilt to build a defensee for kc.and also why the state is now seeking the dp. So kc will have to give us the truth.
Jenn, you’re right, the autopsy does look like murder.
I wonder if and when the FBI report on the duct tape will be released.
I FOUND THIS POSTED ON HAL’S COMMENTS.
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I understand the pain the Anthony’s are in but the comment George made about waiting until the report is released during trial points only to the family trying to save Casey, not justice for Caylee. Anthonys are afraid that the report will paint a worse picture of Casey and guess what? It has. I believe that poor baby girl was suffocated by duct tape over not only her mouth but her nose. The Anthonys care only about Casey’s trial,not the truth and do all they can to stop the truth from coming out. They lie, they retract, they deny. The report speaks for itself and is a voice for Caylee, one she does not get from her own family. If she were my granddaughter I would want the truth, no matter the consequences. Funny that for once Cindy did not speak, only George. I can only assume she has finally gotten the message that no one wants to hear anything she has to say as it has been lie after lie, one anger outburst afer another,not a shred of credibility - only concerned with how it will help Casey’s defense. As a mother I am outraged over what was done to Caylee and sickened by the antics of her mother and grandparents. To George and Cindy: Demand the truth, confront Casey, stop coddling her and do whatever it takes to find out what really happened. Save the taxpayers from footing the bill and do the decent thing. Caylee deserves justice, we have all taken her into our hearts and want to see justice prevail. Read the report, see what animals did to her body (yes,they ate her!) and then go look the public in the eye and explain why YOU dont want to know the truth or want to postpone until your daughters trial to help her. It has nothing to do with privacy and all to do with protecting Casey; releasing now or at trial is a ruse and we see right through you. Only Casey knows what happened to Caylee, she needs to tell the truth and you need to stop protecting Casey. I have never posted to any blog or column re this case but this article touched me and felt I had to express my feelings. Caylee was beautiful, a gift, and she should have the spotlight. Releasing this report gave her a voice the Anthony’s keep silencing. I am glad it was released and hope the Anthony’s read it.
Posted by: IrateMom | June 19, 2009 at 11:30 PM
Posts: 281 | Registered: 09-16-08
I don’t think the state should offer a plea to kc. They should stay the course go all the way with what they have and let the jury decide her fate.
comment #134 FairestWitness…..if you watch the Larry King latest interview with G&C Larry asks “was Casey ever abused”? …. George uncomfortably nodded his head in denial …….I firmly now believe he is NOT caylee’s father…but if all along Casey had him believing at least he WAS…..the only person possible……..I can not see any father in a ’situation’ such as that going for a paternity test!!!?????…so…………that is the 1 and only reason for the cover up so to speak after the original co-operation with the FBI ect…….pre-suicide attempt……….he may have realized how public after the fact…the interview would become and especially IF Casey knew he told all on her……..she could tell ALL on HIM…..also..explaining the absolute koooooooooky behavior prior even to the murder of the entire bunch of them…….and we saw the tables sharply turn PRO Casey ………by the time the memorial came around….Lee too had to have been told that it was POSSIBLE that George could be the father….why he NEVER WORE THE CAYLEE BADGE on his shirt…knowing Casey would be watching……………….his way of telling her..he “got it” understood now…..they had NO clue at that time what any possible paternity result may show that may be conducted….
Someone help me find reference to a ‘hairline fracture’? I must have missed it and can’t find it from keyword search of the docs yet. Thanks.
But did find another note– going to the ‘backyard’ placement of the body then moved to the swamp. The skull was found within the black bag, wasn’t it? Protected by the plastic? There was ’soil’ found in the hair mat. The results of this might show whether the soil could be consistent with the Anthony’s back yard or with the swamp area or both.
FairestWitness-
“They have every right to be”
IMHO- The apple does not fall far from the tree in this family.
Casey is nothing more than an extension of her parents. Who are
pathological liars, fly into fits of rage, and think nothing of threatening other people when things don’t go their way.
Watching this whole thing play out has been like watching a bad reality T.V. show. Starring the “Lying Anthony’s” Casey has lied so much about the murder of her daughter that she believes her own lies and feels no remorse. G and C want to believe Casey so much that they are willing to exploit the murder of the granddaughter for their own monetary gains. Sick Sick Sick
These people have a narcistic personality “They can do no WRONG!
I have absolutely no sympathy for any one of them. I only wish that the court could find them all guilty.
Hi Blink,
Great job as always. I just wanted to say that I believed for a long time that this was an accident probably due to negligence or abuse that went too far. I don’t believe that anymore. I belive that diary that was found says it all. I believe that is was written in 2008 and not 2003. I believe those pages were removed, just like Caylee was removed and her pictures (like another poster has said). I believe that Caylee was in the yard for a short period of time. Probably not left there. I think that Casey borrowed the shovel to bury her and then realized how much work and time that would take and decided to leave her under the playhouse until she could bag her back up and put her back in the trunk. I think that the dogs or Cindy and George did find something in the yard and either that item had the smell of decomp on it or just the area in general did. They know the smell, remember? Anyway, that is why they searched the yard. They know that Casey is capable of this and always have, or they would have called the police right away. This is why they wanted Casey to have time to explain. They felt that this was going to be more than she could explain and when she came up with the Nanny story they originally latched onto it in their hopes that maybe, just maybe Casey didn’t do this. They know now that she did and Cindy can’t live with that fact. So, she pretends she believes that Casey is innocent. She couldn’t bear anyone thinking her family is anything but perfect.
I guess my only question is this: Do you think that whatever they found in the yard they gave to the police? I’m thinking no. Do you think the police have whatever this is?
No, I don’t.
B
Well, I have no idea where I came up with that….. Must have been the two days in the hay field in 100 degree plus weather. Seriously. Unless someone in my home decided to play one on me. It’s happened on my FB account too. One thinks it’s funny to make me look silly…. my apologies
I havent the slightest idea what your talking about
B
BTW Blink-
I read somewhere that the Ortiz family had hired a lawyer and wanted DNA tests run when the autopsy was performed. Did anyone ever hear if Jesus was indeed the father?
That has not been disclosed yet.
B
Anyone using an online calendar for the case they would recommend? I saw the one on docstop, but wondered if there is a better one perhaps. (and realized after visiting doc stop,my earlier paver post now appears non-sensical:) my bad.
I have a few points to make, in regards to a few posts, but wanted to start with something, a question really, for Blink. I indicated that C and G only randomly called Casey when she first left, then Cindy called constantly on July 3rd, and everyday thereafter. So, therefore, I agree that they did find something on July 3rd that led them to believe something could be wrong with Caylee. However, after going back through Amy Huzienga’s texts to Casey, I’m now convinced. I’m thinking Casey felt as though she needed a stash of cash to get out of town maybe? Considering July 3rd was also the night Casey stole the cash money from Amy. Later trying to convince Amy otherwise, even offering to help her look for it. What do you think? Could just be a coincidence, but could be she started getting the calls from Cindy and thought she better get some money??
Also, wanted to add that I agree totally with the name calling. I personally have only ever used their real names, simply because I want to make sure they know who I’m talking about, if they were to ever read any comments anyone leaves. ha!
#232 I don’t think George is necessarily mad about the truth. I think George’s anger comes from not telling the truth. Lying is hard to do, and to keep up with this story? Geesh. I think he gets angry when questioned now, because he is lying and either wants to create a diversion with his anger, or simply because he is agitated by all the lies and deception.
I can’t figure out where people are coming up with the theory of George or Cindy paying off a juror. Makes no sense to me, but to each his own. However, I believe that would be very hard to do, even for the most cash poor person, most people hate them, or want Casey punished so much, they wouldn’t be willing to do it. Imo of course.
I still don’t believe this was accidental, by way of negligence, or otherwise. Consider this…. People are talking about Casey being a sociopath. BUT, if she had just reported an accident, called 911 let’s say, then we might never had heard of this case, or if we did, we would be looking at it totally different. The reasons for Casey appearing sociopathic most often is her attitude, how flippant she is about all this, no emotions. Even a sociopath CAN (maybe not always) but CAN and DO show emotions in the event of an accident they were not expecting, and/or secretly wishing for on some level. Hopefully I’m making my point. I’m basically trying to say that had it been a true accident, in any sense of the word, by this point in the game, there would have been some remorse, guilt, or just grieving type emotions from Casey. I’m still of the firm belief that she did this intentionally, whether it was a split second decision or premed. Otherwise, there would at some point be some type of sorrow. From Casey to this date, there has been NONE, except on a few different days. The first was her bond hearing, when she thought she wasn’t getting out. The 2nd, the day Cindy had finally questioned her a long time and she was sick of it, either because Cindy was getting close with answers, or because it was just disrupting her non-caring emotional state. The 3rd was when they found remains that weren’t said to be Caylee’s until much later. Those are all 3 related to Casey herself, she cared nothing for that child.
According to cfnews13, Dominic Casey, a private investigator for Baez, visited Casey on Aug. 8.
Baez has kept Casey isolated from all family and friends, and it just seems a bit odd that Baez felt it important for Dominic Casey to meet with him and Casey in the jail on August 8.
Geraldo At Large had Linda Kenney Baden on the show last night. (Sun. 6/21/09). She brought up the arguement that there may be NO CAYLEE DNA on the duct tape around Caylee’s head. Of course everyone on the panel, including Geraldo did not believe that that was the case, but LKB certainly tried to paint that picture…..No Caylee DNA on the duct tape.(No skin cells, tissue cells etc. etc.)
Well that screams volumes to me, she should have just said her latents are all over the tape, but not her DNA so someone stole her fingertips I guess, wth?
B
cindy and george didnt even think it was an accident,(yuri & ja’s interview with george)that’s one thing that’s bugged me,if this were my sister ,friend ,daughter, there would episode after episode of me trying to crack /convince casey that there was no nanny it must of been an accident and stop the charade.anger and violence? no reports ever?suposedly george threw his father thru a glass window,cindy chokes casey,george buys a gun,cindy comes at the camera with a hammer,practically goes at zenida in the depo(with words),george sprays people with a hose,stomps angrily out of the courtroom ,the anger and violence c&a show to the public is disturbing,very wrong and indicitive of something…
Also, to add to my last post. I don’t believe that Caylee was chloroformed. I believe that either Casey or her parents used gasoline and chloroform to clean that car and that smell.
MSNBC Dr. Werner Spitz says nothing says ‘murder’ to him. Says he saw the body, no duct tape was there when he saw it, says no ‘glue’ or anything from duct tape on the body. It was only attached to the hair as the flesh was gone with any glue.
This morning’s report from MSNBC: http://www.wesh.com/news/19821493/detail.html
Conway also on front and center in this report and says judge struggled with decision to release autopsy results. He answers the question of one reader about ‘letters’ between parents and Casey– Conway said letters exchanged ‘through Baez’. So that makes them absolutely confidential as they now are part of the lawyer client priv, one would expect. They can plan and plot and share info, without anyone knowing.
The fact that she had the television program…(don’ remember name)that was about an abducted child) looking up “neck-breaking, chlor., and other ways to kill, tells ms that Casey murdered her. She wanted her dead. When Cindy choked her, that was he final straw. She was so filled with intense rage that she could no longer control herself. In her mind, that was the best way to punish Cindy, and get on with her life. I will never believe that it was an “accident.” I also don’t think anyone helped her move the body. If someone did, I think it was Lee.
Your blog just gets better and better! Thank you! Everyone on here is so imformed…it’s amazing.
The reason the grandparents of Caylee (I WILL NOT dignify nor show any kind of respect to them by using their names)are angry is they know they are responsible for the behavior of their offspring, aka where did she learn it and who enabled it, and IMO they knew a long time ago she was a ticking time bomb. I also believe they found something, as Blink has suggested, on the 4th of July when they were working in the backyard (possibly Caylee’s shoes) to cause them to believe something had happened. What did they do, stick their heads in the sandbox. I do not think they could have “prevented” Caylee’s death, but their conduct and behavior has shown no IMO respect to Caylee. They are lashing out because they refuse to accept reality. The more they do, IMO, the more disrespectful they become IMO.
I also think the FBI/ prosecution has imformation the public knows nothing about. Otherwise, the would not have put the DP back on the table.
Susan #2,
I’ve reread the forensics on Caylee’s remains which state nothing was there to indicate any trauma to the skeleton. Here’s what Orlando Sentinal reported:
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/caylee-anthony/orl-bk-caylee-casey-anthony-autopsy-061909,0,6736324.story
“Although there is no trauma evident on the skeleton, there is duct tape over the lower facial region still attached to head hair,” the report said. “This duct tape was clearly placed prior to decomposition keeping the mandible in place.”
Where did you hear there was a hairline fracture? I cannot find mention of it in any of the documents just released, but realize I may have missed it.
Also, this is another rather disturbing report that basically confirms what I already felt was true…little Caylee died a traumatic death. If you can, read this:
http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/entertainment_tv_tvblog/2009/06/caylee-anthony-autopsy-suggests-she-suffered-tremendously.html
Trunk Stains and Odors, Post #’s 208 & 215: The report for that analysis clearly shows human decomposition evidence in the trunk of Casey’s car. I don’t know about the DNA results because the tests were performed elsewhere.
Car trunk analysis: “Out of 24 compounds detected in the Florida trunk sample which did not overlap with known or possible gasoline constituents, 16 (67%) known not be associated with human decompositional events were detected in the odor signature from the Florida trunk carpet sample whose source could not be potentially linked to any of the controls which were analyzed…. Of these 16 compounds, sever were identified as significant human decomposition chemicals. Only five of these seven compounds are being used to draw conclusions about the possibility of a decompositional even occurring….”
The duct tape evidence is the key. If Caylee was alive at the time of the duct taping - and Casey had no intention of killing her - only knocking her out for a while or silencing her, she would have only duct taped her mouth not her nose and definitely not extending toward her hair which would have made it impossible to get off without a lot of pain to Caylee or using a scissors to cut part of her hair off with the tape. If she had intent to kill her then obviously she would have also covered her nose and extended the tape to the hair. Also if the child was dead she would have done the same thing. As I believe that if this truly was an accident Casey, even if terrified of Cindy, would have admitted it by now, then I have to conclude this was no accident.
The manner of the tape over the skull shows us either she used this as a method to suffocate the child, or she killed her in some other way and duct taped her immediately after death to make it look like a kidnapping. Either way the duct tape makes it a premediated act as there is no reason that Casey at this point would not have admitted by now if it were an accident.
these two really make me sick. I have read the autopsy 2 times…..The Anthony’s want diginity?????? You have got to be kidding me….They run all over the United States running their mouths
for now reason other then to get a free trip, hotel and some damn good food and they want diginity NOW? Oh brother. Where was that little girls diginity as mommy wrapped duct tape around her mouth? God I hope she wasn’t sstill alive then. These two so called grand parents really need to sit down and SHUT THE HELL UP ! They really need to come to terms that their dear sweet angel CASEY KILLED THIS SWEET CHILD outa spite. SHe wasn’t ready for a kid and granny knew it…Party Hardy Casey wanted to party, cheat, lie and steal. Im sorry. The Anthony’s have alot to answer for…..They knew she didn’t want Casey, they knew she was stealing everything that wasn’t nailed down…..Whether Casey killed her by accident or not……SHe was unfit to handle a child…And now…they BOOHOO all over the place….Where and the hell were these two when Caylee needed them? These two knuckleheads need to wake the hell up and really smell the coffee…CASEY DID IT…..and there NO PROOF to say she didn’t….God they really make me sick….At least Oprah had the sense to keep these two fools OFF tv……..
2nd thought here on the potential hairline fracture…if it is there, possibly occurred when Kronk picked up the bag and the head fell out? Sorry that sound harsh…
I haven’t read all the comments, but I noticed a few references to dates that I believe are incorrect.
Just FYI:
Casey was arrested on July 16, 2008.
Casey was released on bond at 10:30am on August 21 (bond arranged by Leonard and Tony Padilla).
George ordered a handgun on August 29.
Casey was arrested on the first of several check fraud charges on August 29; detectives took her from the Anthony home in handcuffs around 8:30pm.
Leonard and Tony Padilla revoked Casey’s bond in the early morning hours of August 30 (around 1:00am).
George picked up his handgun on September 4.
On September 5, Casey was again released on bond; two Orlando bondsmen split the coverage.
Also on September 5, George’s gun was confiscated.
What did I miss, I am aware of all the dates-
B
Well it looks like the prosecution filed a motion to get a photo of Casey’s tatoo…I have always wondered why a bigger deal had not been made about the fact she got a tatoo that means “a beautiful life” after her daughter is gone. I have not even heard of someone asking Cindy and George about it. I find that strange. If I were a juror, there is no way the defense could explain the tatoo away - that and the 31 days, of course.
FairestWitness, I agree with you about the altercation (June 15) but I am going to take it one step further.
Cindy discovers the stolen money from papa and confronts Casey. Casey screams back, CIndy almost chokes her. I have a feeling they’d had this scene before, or some variation of it.
The difference this time: Cindy tells Casey to start taking responsibility for Caylee or Cindy is going to seek custody. Somewhere the words were mentioned: “Casey went off to bond with Caylee..”
So what are Casey’s choices (from her point of view)??
1) move in with Tony. After all, from the night of the 15th almost continuously for 24 hours she is texting or speaking on the phone w/ Tony. What is Tony saying? (do we have that text?) It is generally alleged that Tony did not want to live with the child.
2) move in with Amy. Casey later drums up many fictional scenarios in which she (and Caylee presumably) will be sharing a house with Amy, but they are all impossible alternatives and completely outside the edge of reality, based on untruths: parents’ divorce, parents giving them house to live in, parents buying them house, etc etc.
SO—- Casey goes back to scenario one: move in with Tony. BUT: have to get rid of the child.
One problem I have with the whole story: if Cindy & Casey had showdown night of 15th, wouldn’t Cindy have shared this w/ George when he returned from work at 11:00 that night? Doesn’t seem logical he & Casey would just have a friendly wave good-bye the next morning, with no confrontation.
I have been reading on this site for a while, however with no expertise in matters of crime, other than common sense, I have not commented. Yesterday while reading some of the released documents in this case, I noticed something that someone said that I had never heard of before. He referenced “zani bars” as places that exist in that area where people can go to purchase xanax which often is fueled by consuming alcohol to further enhance the medication. Just got me to thinking about “Zanny the Nanny”. Has anyone explored the possibility that Xanax was being given to Caylee to knock her out for periods of time and that is why Casey refers to “Zanny” as a nanny? This has probably been discussed earlier and I missed it. If so I apologize. Just never heard of this terminology before concerning Zani bars.
Blink, what specifically about the placement of the duct tape has convinced you that Casey intentionally killed Caylee?
Working on this Fair- I will cover.
B
it just seems that george and cindy knew casey had the capacity for murder,its actually been the hardest thing for me to get over that casey had the capacity for m,but my 76 year old neighbor,who does not follow this case said its as old as the story of (issac?)in the bible says god told him to kill his son and then he goes to the mountain to do it and then says god changed his mind,and told him not to do it. and then there’s the breakfast video with caylee saying i kil i kil(if thats what she saying )(sure sounds like it)(probably innocent ,but still)
Blink …. I assume you have seen the famous ” Breakfast with Caylee” video … Who do you think was taking the video ? You can clearly hear someone say the word ” kill” during it and any ideas if the video was altered to include that > and why would the person taking the video do what they did by going underneath the high chair with the camera? I felt that it was taken by Casey …. but how could a partent take such a lengthy video of their adorable child without saying anything except ” kill” ?
I always felt it was not an accident but an intentional murder of Caylee by Casey for 2 reasons…. One was to punish her mother for trying to choke her …. and the second was for her own benefit of having free time to party and have fun without the hassle of a child and also she was very jealous of any attention Caylee got as she wanted all the attention on herself…
Oh I see the wag the dog defense kc defense expert stated on the today show ‘there was no duct tape on the remains. So they have been spiking the kc coolaide.oh please this pizzed me off. So the defense experts are not getting paid.
So many speculating about cause and manner of death and kc intentions, should I be worried about reasonable doubt? Justice for caylee
Re: Dates
See comment #233
I assumed the reference to George’s attacking Casey referred to the incident in which Ohio Jim had to pull George away. That could not have happened on 7/29 because Casey was locked up.
However, I could have misinterpreted the comment and the reference was to something George said to Casey during George & Cindy’s 7/29 jail (video) visit to Casey in the OC Jail.
I also saw comments referring to Casey’s release on bond on 8/14 (it was 8/21) and to George’s
Gigi, yes, it’s been discussed before, actually since day one. There have been many, many people who believed the theory that zanny was actually xanax, given in place of a nanny. I never believed that, still don’t. Each to his own though.
Responding to comment by Angela — June 22, 2009 @ 1:28 pm:
“One problem I have with the whole story: if Cindy & Casey had showdown night of 15th, wouldn’t Cindy have shared this w/ George when he returned from work at 11:00 that night? Doesn’t seem logical he & Casey would just have a friendly wave good-bye the next morning, with no confrontation.”
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I don’t necessarily think Cindy would have shared the fight with George. George mentioned in his testimony that he had not believed Casey was working for a couple of years, but whenever he’d bring up his doubts to Cindy or Casey, Cindy would tell him to back off because he wasn’t a detective anymore and she would handle it.
Similarly, on July 3, Cindy called Lee to say that she hadn’t seen Casey or Caylee for a couple of weeks. Lee checked Casey’s Facebook and MySpace activity and saw that she told a friend she would be at the Dragon Room in Orlando that night (when she had just told Cindy earlier in the day that she was in Jacksonville). Lee spent the evening of July 3 and early morning of July 4 hunting for Casey in Orlando (and there is considerable texting between them all night). When he told Cindy he believed Casey was still in Orlando, Cindy told him to stop looking for Casey because she wanted to handle it.
I do believe Cindy and Casey had a fight that got physical on June 15 between 7:30pm and 11:15pm (when George got home). I also believe Cindy gave Casey an ultimatum - no more chances, either start acting responsibly or Cindy would seek legal custody of Caylee.
George couldn’t be sure whether Casey’s car was in the driveway when he got home but he was “almost positive.” My take is that there were frequent ugly fights in that family, so Casey would not necessarily have run out of the house. She definitely didn’t leave the vicinity per her cell pings.
Casey’s last phone activity for the night was around 3:22am. Her next phone activity was at 7:45am, but it wasn’t a live call. It’s clear from the A&T records that Casey retrieved a voice mail at 7:45am that had been left some time earlier from the Anthony home land line. It was a voicemail retrieval because there is a double-line on the records for the exact same time down to the second (07:45:51) and because there is no cell tower activity. The first line shows Casey calling Cingular voicemail access (407-242-7686) and the second line (exact same time) shows a call from the Anthony home phone to Casey’s cell phone.
What I find interesting is that Casey only spent one second retrieving that voicemail. Similar voicemail retrievals throughout her records show her spending six seconds or even 80 seconds listening to the voicemail. A one-second retrieval either means Cindy didn’t leave more than a word or it means Casey terminated the retrieval as soon as she heard Cindy’s voice.
Anyway, my theory is that Cindy, before leaving for work, checked Casey’s room and saw that the door was closed and could not hear any activity that would indicate they were up. Cindy therefore left Casey a message that went directly to voicemail before Cindy left the house for work. The message referenced the fight they had the night before, and Cindy didn’t want George to know what she was saying to Casey so she left a direct-to-cellphone voicemail rather than leaving a note in the house that George might see.
Why leave George out of the picture? For one thing, Cindy and Casey have IMO an unhealthy co-dependent relationship and the need to control every situation seems to be hard-wired in Cindy. For another thing, Cindy blames George for Casey’s worst behaviors. During the FBI interview, Cindy said George had deceived Cindy regarding money for a few years and covered it up. When Cindy saw the same behavior in Casey, she sought counseling to learn how to deal with Casey’s lies. Cindy said her therapist said that if a child sees lying modeled, then the child learns to lie. Cindy then told FBI agent Scott Bolin that she blames George for Casey’s lying.
PS - Cindy said Mondays and Tuesdays were her early days at work and she left the house between 7:00-7:20am. George said Cindy was usually gone by about 7:10am.
THX, KLEAT, for filling the blanks ..so,client-lawyer privelege..
Angela; comment 278; Of course I have no idea what Cindy shared with George concerning the events on Father’s Day, but imo it could have gone either which-way. In his interviews with LE, especially with the FBI, George refered to being warned off of confrontations with Casey by Cindy. And by George’s description of Casey’s behavior to the Orange County detectives, Casey would take things as far as she could, then pile on more stuff. So I get a picture of George’s confrontations with Casey resulting in a crazy domino effect of destructive behavior. Sometimes Cindy would keep stuff to herself so George wouldn’t get involved.
But in this case, it was Cindy doing the confronting and it seems to have resulted in horrific piling-on.
A rant to no one in particular;
I honestly believe that this is a violently angry family, only kept in check by one another’s fierceness. And while Casey may be the worst offender, I do not for a moment believe that she is the original source of this terrible cycle of behavior.
When was the last time anyone heard of someone throwing their father through a window (which evidently, George did).
Sorry to get so vehement, but I do not believe that George is just a normal loving guy, de-balled and kept from doing right, by a razor-like wife. They are a set.
Thanks, Blink, for the answer about the cad dogs.
patricia, #282 - “why would the person taking the video do what they did by going underneath the high chair with the camera? I felt that it was taken by Casey ….” KC did a series of ‘momtective’ videos in which she’s essentially silent & uses the camera to play games, like peek-a-boo, with Caylee & in KC’s weirdness, doesn’t interact w/her verbally. Considering KC’s intent was probably as a photographer moreso than a psychologist, this manner of videotaping your own kid is more revealing about KC than it is anything else. Consider this, if this is your own kid who’s 2 yrs & is just learning language, isn’t it natural to speak to your kid, say words repetitively, or generally interact w/them when they’re in their high chair?? You can see the detached view KC has toward humans/her daughter in particular. These vids weren’t about Caylee-my-daughter, they were about KC using Caylee as a subject, treating her like an inanimate object. They demonstrate to me that KC wasn’t such a ‘great mom’ at all, but a very cold person.
Comment #255
Please, someone clear up for me if incest is being considered a factor in determining the id of Caylee’s father. I believe this is a blatant lie circulated within the great gossip realm of dormant minds. I can’t believe this is still being brought up, period.
If I’m wrong I beg for proof and I will acknowledge my blunder. I am absolutely SICKENED that people keep hurling the incest card. Lee has been proven NOT to be the father. I cannot say the same about George but a reasonable thinking person can draw a reasonable conclusion…I would hope. I am not a fan of how the Anthony family have conducted themselves throughout this past year…but COME ON.
Pfffffffffffffffft! Stick to the facts
PS…I am not suggesting you are siding with the incest angle and I apologize if I implied as such. I’m just shocked that it’s still being discussed, period. It cheapens Caylee’s legacy.
~Respectfully~
Thanks, Wendy for updating me on the Xanax issue. This is a very interesting and informative site, Blink. I have been mesmerized by the way so many of you can “think outside of the box” so to speak. Not my forte, but I enjoy reading the various ideas of each contributor. Also, a service to the crime fighting community. Keep up the good work!
so lp revoked the bond to keep george from harming kc. That’s what he stated when asked bond revoked for safety of kc and the family. Lp also stated that during the time kc was released on bond and was in the home that george kept his distance from kc and from cidy. I think george was the peace maker between cindy and kc in most of their conflicts.I too believe that the anthonys were tipped on 7/3 that caylee was in trouble. Still think it was a note or something of that nature don’t forget the end of days comment she posted and the tat she got.this is when cindy starts to plan and I believe she kept george out of the loop in the process. So george may have been aware by 8/11 that caylee was dead but not where her body was hidden hence the jailhouse conversation on 8/14 where they are questioning kc they were trying to get the location. This was also the last time thet ever visited kc in jail.they have not gone back since.
Blink do you believe that g&c knew where caylee was at on the day kc’s bond was revoked by lp?
Blink, I’ve read some analysis (articles) about the duct tape found around Caylee’s skull. — Isn’t that awful to refer to that angelic child’s head as a skull? — The prevailing opinion is that Caylee suffered horribly to her death. I want to tear Casey Anthony apart, limb from limb, for the heinous murder inflicted on that gift from God that was Caylee. The columns I’ve read dance around the subject, but never really get to the heart of the matter. I await your judgment. I know you will tell us the unvarnished, non-nuanced truth.
Junebug…it was determined long ago by DNA testing that neigher Lee nor George could be bio dad of Caylee.
June Bug, the incest accusation came from an interview with one of Casey’s former boyfriends, I think it was Jesse Grund, in which he relayed a story Casey told him that her brother Lee had tried to put the moves on her. FWIW, I think it’s a damnable lie. I hadn’t heard any such accusation against George, which was implied in Post #255. That’s equally disgusting and another damnable lie.
Sweet Pea, you have painted the Anthonys with the same brush as their daughter and I don’t think it’s right. Yes, the hostility exhibited by both George & Cindy, their spinning of the facts, possible donation malfeasance, defending Casey, etc., are evidence of a family under enormous pressure.
George & Cindy are flawed parents, but they are not sociopaths. They both lived productive lives, loved their each other and their family, kept a nice home, doted on their grandchild, visited sick elderly parents, etc. I think the stress and strain of dealing with Casey and all her BS damaged them immeasurably.
You can’t attribute any of these qualities to Casey. The only time she went to see her elderly, ailing grandparents was to steal from them. She also stole from her parents, her brother and her friends. She used everybody who came in contact with her. Here she is at 22, still living at home as a single mom, dumping her child on her parents to raise, lying about having a job and dropping Caylee off at Cindy’s workplace, so she could take Caylee home and care for her, while Casey said she had to go to work. In truth, she was out partying and whoring until all hours.
You try dealing with this abuse and ill treatment for decades and see if you’re not frustrated and angry at the world as a result. Now they have horrified, broken hearts with the loss of their murdered grandchild and the knowledge their daughter killed her. These parents didn’t ask for this, didn’t do anything to deserve it. I know they made mistakes, especially in their dealings with Casey, but they tried every day to make things right … and failed miserably. The fault lies in Casey. There’s something missing in that woman. She ruins everything she comes in contact with.
One Shot … thanks so much for your reply…. I just discovered that very weird video recently and have not heard hardly any discussion about it at all .. Especially hearing Casey saying ” Kill” in it to Caylee and this is the only thing you hear on the video, I am shocked that nothing has been discussed about this.. I havent even heard NG talk about it … I would think this would be great evidence against her ??
I have a comment on the “Zanny the Nanny” thing. From early on I figured Casey may well have been drugging Caylee and leaving her in the trunk…maybe even with pizza to eat in case she woke up…for a good amount of time. What other reasoning would there be for pizza left in the trunk? In the back seat maybe..but the trunk???
Would also explain why she felt “comfortable” driving around with a dead body in the trunk and why she rented that movie depecting such on July 15th. I stand firmly by my belief Caylee was dead by the night of July 15th due to the fact we know G&C didn’t have Caylee, and we also know Casey didn’t bring her inside to spend the night with she and Tony…and there was NO nanny. I cannot imagine another scenario. Fact Casey’s cell pings showed she was only around the corner from her house calling/texting for a couple hours makes me feel Caylee died shortly after that and before she met up with Tony.
As for what Cindy found on July 3rd, maybe only the fact she realized Casey wasn’t where she said she was and had a gut feeling Caylee wasn’t with her. She probably wanted to find out asap where her granddauther was and did just what Casey was good at…multiple phone calling to find out what is up?! True, very possible Cindy did find something in the yard, and I have to wonder still if it was the shoes (since they weren’t with her remains) and as another suggested, the smell of death was on them. We are clear that Cindy was quick to wash Casey’s clothes from the car, but if she DID find the shoes, I say they went straight in the trash (IMO).
One more theory that I have been mauling around is that Caylee was beginning to talk. This may have also been a concern for Casey and possibly could have been part of the big blow up between Casey and Cindy on the 15th.
Cindy spent alot of time with that baby and could have heard some words come out of her mouth (kill???as in the beakfast video). Just a thought.
No. 279 a “zani bar” is actually Xanax in the shape of a long thin rectangular shaped pill that is scored in 4 different sections. You break off where the doc tells you or take all as per directions. I believe they are usually 20mg scored in 5mg increments. It is actually a Xanax Bar. Highly addictive and a fave rec drug amongst quite a few folk and of course intensified by alcohol. She probably has given Caylee Xanax to knock her out during her partying. If her friends would own up to this it could add more fuel to the fire and to the “Zanny” name. Someone may need to correct me on mg of pill.
I think what may have sparked the alert with George and Cindy on July 3rd is that Cindy caught her in a lie. She said she was in Jacksonville and then found out she was really in Orlando. I think that spiked her concern. That’s when she realized Casey is deliberatly avoiding her and keeping her away from Caylee. Maybe they did find something in the backyard…maybe they didn’t…but I don’t think it is too unusual to do yard projects on a holiday/long weekend. That’s when we plan our lawn projects because you have an extra day. I don’t think they were necessarily ‘covering anything up’ by putting down pavers and rearranging the backyard, IMO. I have been trying to find precisely when Cindy left for work the morning of the 16th. If that was one of her ‘early’ days and she left the house around 7:10am, then who made the phone call at 7:45 from the Anthony phone line to Casey’s cell phone?
I am 1000% they found something in that yard on the 3rd of July that caused them to question Caylees safety, no doubt in my mind. Further, Lee sends a message through Annie’s myspace that date asking her if she knows where Casey and Caylee are.
B
Didn’t OCSO want to re-interview the Anthony’s after the memorial for Caylee? Whatever happened with that?
They got a lawyer and refused to talk to them without immunity.
B
P.S.
How long before the words “Mommy puts me in trunk” came out.
Brenda in Virginia, read the reports, only Lee was excluded in the FBI testing results. Why no mention of George? Maybe they never tested.
I too was shocked about the incest, just like June Bug and spoke out against the thought. I’m NOT now saying it is so of course. But the questions remain, why hasn’t every male member of Casey’s close family, that includes brother and father, been excluded by paternity DNA tests, why weren’t both tested and cleared results for both made public, instead, only one, the brother? If both tests were done, why only give one result? That makes no sense in this case.
The identity search for Caylee’s father is far too important not to cover all bases, clear everyone possible. Sexual promiscuity is a trait of the sexually abused, I’ve read. But then sociopaths are also often sexually promiscuous. Casey’s statements about Lee could be attention-getters for sympathy or jealousy attempts with Jesse and just another lie. Maybe only Lee was tested because only Lee was said to be accused.
Maybe Casey’s anger towards her father has to do with his gambling instead, maybe that’s why he left the home and they were detached from each other for so long. Maybe ‘Father’s Day’ was not important as a night that Caylee went missing or was last seen, if George is lying about the last day Caylee was seen to prove that did not happen on Father’s Day.
We will have to wait to see. But the theory holds some value as it has not yet been excluded.
I actually disagree on that point- I think incest and Sex abuse should not have to be “ruled out” if there was never any concrete or in George’s case evidence in the first place. I think that’s irresponsible.
B
Good Morning All,
I read over the Examination/Autopsy report and wanted to point something out.
Autopsy report on page 5 (near bottom of page) reads there is also a piece of lighter gray synthetic material which is less than inch in size.
Conincidentally, the slacks from Casey’s car were grey. The ones that Cindy washed on July 15th, after retrieving Casey’s car from the impound. Below is the link to the transcript of cindy talking about washing the grey slacks because of the nasty smell. page 30
http://www.acandyrose.com/caylee_anthony_transcript_C_Anthony080408.htm
Is it possible that Casey snagged these slacks on a twig while dumping Caylee in the woods.
Whether she killed Caylee by holding her hand over her face, using a pillow to suffocate her, holding her head under water,chloroforming her and wrapping her mouth and nose with duct tape, or by suffocating her with the duct tape without the chloroform — it’s all murder. Casey is a sociopath, and Caylee was in the way.
Cindy was telling Casey that she (Cindy)was watching the baby too much. So, in came the “imaginary” nanny. I still don’t understand, as there were times prior to Caylee’s death where Cindy did not have her, and Casey was out partying. Still nobody knows where Caylee was during those times. Which is why it seems that she may have been chloroforming her, duct taping her mouth, and putting her in the trunk to go out and party for months before she killed her.
NOBODY could truly “accidentally” kill their child and then throw her into the swampy woods to be eaten by animals. That is just SO disturbing. Reading the autopsy report made me sick to my stomach. Especially thinking about all the adults who were searching that area, but were afraid to go in too far because there are snakes in there. How could ANYBODY do that to a child?
Casey partying for the month that Caylee was missing, telling everyone the baby was “fine” and with the nanny, lying to her parents about where she was, getting a “beautiful life” tattoo, shows that she just DID NOT CARE, and actually seemed to be happy and relieved that her “problem” was out of the way.
She has NO CONSCIENCE AT ALL. If anything ever happened to one of my children, I would not be able to function at all. Nevermind fix my hair and smile at my lawyers in the courtroom. Any other mother would be a complete mess.
I do not recall ever reading anything about a “hairline fracture”. RE: comment 275 — I don’t think the skull ever fell out of the bag. I believe Roy Kronk just picked up the bag and saw the skull underneath, as I believe it has been proven that the skull was never moved from it’s original position. He described it as the skull rolling out, but I don’t think it really did. Also, the tibia is not in the skull, it is part of the leg bone. I believe they said there were no fractures or trauma to the head.
The skull did not fall out of the bag, your correct.
B
is it possible that there was a plan for cindy to divorce george kick him out of the house move in with her boyf and let casey rent the house with a roommate?that was a very bold lie,wonder what was behind it ,& why didnt casey have a job for two years?the perfect way to gain some space ,money & freedom ,wonder about what former employees say about her work ethic and why she was fired(can sociopaths maintain jobs) and what was that i missed about a robbery at sports authority,and casey having a check in the same amount(which parts were the lie)which george(mr. detective) knew so much about.i think there is more to the a’s attempts at coverup,i agree bet the state has more.just wondering momentary loss of anger control,or the movie the bad seed,girl had to get what she wanted.i think andre lyon can succeed at her forte(life instead death)if it goes there.
Thanks, Blink– good point, never thought of that. Just that in this case, it seems prudent to cover everything, maybe just from the public ’spin’. And we have not heard anything on this from known sources. Keeping an open mind, thanks.
Fathers Day June 15th - Casey and Caylee have the major blowup
and Cindy possibly threatens to file for custody of Caylee. Casey
is involved with Tony and he doesnt want Casey to bring Caylee with her when she goes there. Why didnt Casey just walk out of the house
and tell her mother to get custody and go live with Tony? She ended up living with him anyway from June 16th on. I can understand her rage at Cindy but I cannot understand why in the world she just didnt walk away from it all and let Cindy get custody. As far as money was concerned after the theft from her grandparents, it would hardly be likely that Cindy would give Casey anymore money so why not just walk away. This is the thing that bothers me the most. I have no doubt that
Casey killed Caylee, I just cannot understand why she killed her.
have you noticed how casey picks and rubs at a spot on her hand in court,can’t help every time but think lady mcbeth and her famous”i have given suck ..” about ambition vs child.
Thanks, Melissab, for clearing up my misunderstanding of zani bars. I actually thought that it was a place to buy the xanax illegaly. I had no idea it was the actual med. I am so naive as to the type of people and their lives that are involved in this mess that I sometimes cannot discern it all. However, I appreciate all of you who have the gift of insight and are able to bring up possible scenarios so as to try to piece it together correctly. The sad thing is I do not know if anyone will ever know the details of the truth because of the people involved consistently enabling Casey. I hope that at some point George, Cindy and Lee will wake up and help send Casey on a life long stay at the pen, which would be much worse than the quick relief of an execution, imo.
Also, although this is getting off topic, I would like to ask a question to Blink or anyone. Since starting to follow a lot of cases on forums like this one, Phillip Markoff, Christopher Coleman, etc., I would like to know if the lawyers representing these people have to believe they are innocent to represent them. I mean, goodness, the evidence in so many cases is so outstanding, surely a person with any sense of ethics, morality or professionalism would know their client is guilty as sin and lying through their teeth. Does that not matter to these lawyers??? Or does the client admit guilt and the lawyers say well okay you did it, but we can get you off on this by whatever means. How do these people sleep at night if that is the case??
lol, I had a very long debate with a dear friend who does just that yesterday. It always ends the same way, we just dont agree.
B
Fairwitness, I agree G&C didn’t “abuse” Casey in the manner many believe, but I DO think there was abuse in the manner of overthetop spoiling. Created a monster by being overly giving to her and most likely excusing the type of behavior that errupts from such. You know the old saying “spare the rod and spoil the child”? No doubt too much rod was spared and Casey really did become sociopathic due to that. She got everything she ever wanted and when the attention and materials things started going to Caylee instead, her very, selfish jealous nature started to grow in ways her parents never could have dreamed.
Susan….. Yes, I had noticed about Casey’s hand rubbing ( among other nervous actions )during court that she does and then when the info came out about the guard testimony when they took her out of cell to watch the discovery of Caylee on tv, the guard mentioned that she rubbed her hands because they were sweaty ….. so I figured she tends to have sweaty hands when she gets nervous and that is a sign of her being nervous in court despite all the smiling she does.
Gigi …… When the person is as noticeably guilty as Casey is and OJ was, their lawyers know without a doubt that they did it…. It is just all about big money !!! They make so much more money then the prosecutors do doing the same job ….
Does anyone else remember how Casey would walk with such a exaggerated and sexy ( she thought it was )hip sway when she knew she was on camera ? That was the first thing I noticed about her , was that sway of her hips when the filmed her walking into the police station for questioning , etc and I thought to myself this is someone so in love with themselves that they think they can get away with anything, including murder and I felt at that moment that she was quilty .
Blink…do you think what Cindy found were Caylee’s shoes? If you cannot say yet, that’s cool.
No, but I believe whatever it was was buried or concealed in the back yard.
B
Kleat, I have read them, please do not speculate incorrectly that I have not. Started day one and have read as much of the evidence/docs released to the public I had time to.
Thing is when Lee was ruled out…they already had George’s DNA which would be close to Lee’s. I just searched for an hour and couldn’t find the article, but it was in a FL paper and clearly stated that there was ‘no way’ Lee was bio-dad which basically eliminated the need to look at George since Lee and George would have been able to be matched to one another. if they saw the “possibility” Lee was dad, no doubt George would have been next.
You gotta look beyond the clouded glass, but if I do find the article, I promise I’ll post it.
everyone on this site is so knowledgeable. i have a question and i dont know if it has been asked before. i live in the houston area where being in the trunk in the summertime even at night could cause someone to die just from that–like being locked in the actual car. i know it is hot and humid in florida too. i dont see her being able to put her in the hot trunk to party at all on a regular basis. i think the child would have died the first time from the heat. i have just always thought about that part.
Do you think that the ‘find’ precipitated the need for the yardwork? Not as cover-up (at first anyway) but to find ‘more’ of what might be there? The cover-up would happen just by doing and moving and repotting while they searched for more clues?
Or was there prep for yardwork that caused the ‘find’ to begin with, then the yardwork just continued as normally planned.
Found, not planned.
B
Dear Martha…darn good point. I was thinking a night-time only/in the dark thing, but maybe that wouldn’t have been possible based on your facts.
I live in VA now 23 yrs and did kinda forget the huge diff in the temps in a car. No matter how hot in the summer, simply never gets as bad in our mtns as it does down there. Still, I would not be easily convinced this was an accident. Maybe Casey placed Caylee in there ON PURPOSE with the tape knowing damn well it would kill her. Either way she’s such a devious soul.
Someone else mentioned that maybe Casey had been taping Caylee’s mouth for a while, but that one cannot be. Would be red marks on Caylee has that been the case. Can you imagine pulling that stuff off one’s skin? Ouch!
Blink-
Need alittle help here. I thought that I heard (can not remember where) that the Anthony’s were having financial problems.
If so, why where they spending money to redo their backyard? I also read (on another site early on) that there were pictures of the Anthony’s home that showed one washer and dryer set (pre-Caylee’s disappearence)in background, and then in latter pictures they had a different W/D set(post Caylee’s disappearence);also odd for a couple having financial difficulties.
Are you aware of any of this?
Martha,
It is really hot when the suns out, but can cool off pretty darn quick when the sun goes down. Nineties during the day and low 70’s, high 60’s at night last June. I thought you made a good point. Made me think.
http://www.ouc.com/business/Orlando%20Weather%20Comparison%20June%202008.pdf
Brenda,
I like reading your posts alot, and don’t mean this as a criticism at all, so respectfully just wanted to add a counter thought regarding this comment for what it’s worth.
“No doubt too much rod was spared and Casey really did become sociopathic due to that.”
Twenty five years ago parents of Schizophrenics were blamed for ‘causing’ the disorder in their children, by our revered DOCTORS. They had no better answers to come up with. It wasn’t an effective approach, and most certainly caused alot MORE damage. Today blaming parents for that would be considered ridiculous.
I’m NOT condoning the Anthony’s or Casey in ANY way shape or form. I’d go so far as to say enabling and ignoring her escalation could be considered criminal indeed, and perhaps added to her severity. They knew about her problem. I also think it’s a fine line, as children do learn from parents.
Point being though, I don’t think I could choose to be a Sociopath if I tried, and I don’t think you could either. I mention it as I think blaming parents for “causing it” takes away from finding the root cause and thereby prevents us from stopping or avoiding all the damage, crime etc this causes.
The difference between a spoiled brat and someone capable of killing their own child and tossing them in the woods like trash…*all without batting an eye* is huge. Just my thoughts, hope you don’t mind.
In a fit of RAGE Casey who we presume kills Caylee …takes along a Winnie the Pooh father’s day ballon? What signifigance has this to anything????????????? Not MUCH.
The Williams guy claims he found a Winnie the Pooh Father’s Day Balloon at the crime scene…also listed in discovery.
Julie, your not new, link please. He did not reference it as Winnie the Pooh, ever, I interviewed him twice.
B
my error ooops…just a Father’s day balloon.
http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread431159/pg2
Thanks for the info Brenda, I was just referring to the released FBI reports on the DNA and paternity, not interpretations past that…I just read the bare ‘gene’ info.
comment #290 oneshot….I have long wondered too why in the one black and white photo of Caylee stoned out of her tree in either her highchair or a walker…her eyes crossed practically….. food smathered on her face….falling/leaning backwards…… did ’someone’ take a photo of ‘that’ and later download it to the web???????????????????? To…torture later on others???????????
Did anyone catch nancy Grace June 22nd toward the end..it showed Casey’s car in the crime lab ect…with a rather large SHAMROCK on the rear window??? For her birthday too???? And the one on her lower back it showed as well………
……..AND….Cindy in court re:the release of the autopsy…..wearing her SHAMROCK earings (for Casey’s brthdate) I suppose?
I f I were on a jury and saw just alone this photo :
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/caylee-anthony/orl-casey-anthony-trial-case-photos,0,2398805.photogallery?...
photo #87
It would show me that a long on going vendetta was going on with this child being the pawn and it would show me that to on top of it to photograph her and then download this to the internet AFTER the murder too shows no sign of remorse….a sign of further punishment…showing me clearly no accident deliberate cold cunning and for a clear obvious reason. She had a HUGE score to settle. That 1 photograph alone.
re#259 B, I was saying that a way earlier post where “I” thought George and Casey were in on it, was actually done by a prankster in my house who likes me to look silly. He just thinks it’s hilarious. He’s done it on my Facebook, too. I was just trying to let everyone know I hadn’t waivered and wasn’t a dumb-butt.
Comment by FairestWitness — June 23, 2009 @ 6:22 am
Thank you for your response Fair. I thought the accusations made by Casey implied they took place ‘after’ Caylee was born…but ‘uh’. Makes sense now. I love to be enlightened and stand corrected. Thank you friend.
#327
Casey giving Caylee drugs is still in question ‘I believe’. I know my small children looked similar to this while eating in their high chair. There were times they were so sleepy, they would try to eat, fall asleep, spring back to life abruptly (wide eyed) to continue eating, then doze off again. ALWAYS food on their faces, high chair, floor…me LOL.
Perhaps it’s as simple as that (I hope). With Caylee, unfortunately, it’s quite possible being medicated was the reason for this behaviour =(
Comment by FairestWitness — June 23, 2009 @ 6:22 am
Thank you for your response Fair. I thought the accusations made by Casey implied they took place ‘after’ Caylee was born…but ‘ah!’. Makes sense now. I love to be enlightened and stand corrected. Thank you friend.
OOPS…sorry about the double post :S
FairestWitness - #298 - Great insight into the Anthony’s and well said….I believe years from now, when the dust settles after the trial (or the plea), G&C Anthony will look back and see things that we - the public - see in regards to their daughter Casey. I think they will be more apt to admit to their mistakes and shortsightedness. They will have a lot to say and we will be able to forgive them for failing to search for truth and justice for the murder of their grandddaughter Caylee.
Riddlemethis…no offense taken at all by your observation. Just you and I have a diff set of beliefs. I’m one who fully believes just about every mental issue is a direct reflection of the conditions of one’s soul. Yet, I know I’m in the vast minority!!! But that’s why this site is so amazing. Differing points of view and just about ALL relevant :>)
I love reading your posts too and just about every other posters’ opinion.
#297 Comment by Brenda in Virginia — June 23, 2009 @ 6:03 am
Junebug…it was determined long ago by DNA testing that neigher Lee nor George could be bio dad of Caylee.
Again, thank you for clarifying it for me
I was thinking about the rage George had against his own Father many yrs ago. Who would’ve thought that how many yrs later his own daughter acted in a similiar manner….I’m sure Casey witnessed many rages from her Father. And a matter of fact it’s my opinion Casey’s true hatred is against her father, not her mother. She knew it was her mother who was the provider, not her father however when kids grow up in an abusive/dysfunctional household the anger general goes toward someone else as they cannot get out what they need to toward the abuser,,,,I think CAsey treated Cindy and her own daughter just like George treated Cindy, she took on his behaviors in my opinion..Rage is a learned behavior, unless of course one is diagnosed with bi-polar etc…Even so, they still witness the rages.. If CAsey was doing drugs that would only fuel her rages especially if she was going thru withdrawls and or couldnt find anymore monies to feed her habit…..I think a lot plays into all of this, all of the above plus then some. AFter all, who was searching on the pc for escort services?? Was monies being taken for that also?? (GA)I do feel GA didnt stop stealing from Cindy and may have tried to set up his own daughter at some time….JMOpinion. He was too quick to blame Casey for clearing out Caylee’s account now wasnt he…Strange,,,but could be just a coincidence George handing the prosecutors info without even asking for it. His granddaughter was gone yet he’s talking about himself how much of a hero he was when putting in a few bucks in an account for Caylee..HMM George in my opinion didnt change over night… I think Cindy had two MAJOR problems to contend with. George and Casey. Two peas in a pod….I think both are guility as sin….But I still do not know exactly the roll George actually played….ALL in my humble opinion…
Blink,
Can you please try to answer this question for me one way or another on DID CINDY REALLY CHOKE CASEY on the 15th or was that a fabricated story that KC told Lee maybe to justify her actions?
I have seen this all over the internet and on NG forever and dont even know if it really happened or not?
It would help with quite a few questions that I have?
Please try if you can to answer this once and for all.
I was not there, but yes, I believe they had a major falling out that evening. In theory, there are many witnesess to this via hearsay. Rick and Shirley Plesea, and Lee via Cindy. I know for a fact Lee repeated that story to Leonard and team as well.
B
George did not play a certain part in this coverup/lets protect Casey jig.He started out being honest at first and when Casey was bailed out they all got together and started covering for Casey.They all knew that Caylee was dead and thats when all of the lying started.But at some point they all got off script and this is why they were requesting a private family meeting with Casey under the guise of greiving for Caylee as a family.They wanted to get their stroy line on the same page.also,they told lies in the beginning and Cindy washed the pants that had Caylee’s decomposition on them hince the request for immunity.these people are just as guilty as casey IMO and they should all be in jail along with casey.Blink,don’t you agree?
Hello AregntinaRose….Yes, I agree with you all had a hand in a covering up something pertaining to this however I do still have a gut feeling since day one George had more. I found it fascinating George quickly started defending himself, especially pertaining to monies. I think he’s a habitual liar and it comes easy to him. In no way possible in the beginning to I feel he was out to protect Casey, rather he was protecting his own rep in my opinion. One thing i’m baffled about and it’s just common sense as to why the investigators didnt ask George why he didnt call 911 after smelling decomposition. He really specified this to the investigators yet they never asked him why. I am hoping beyond hope it’s because they’re on to him in some way. I think it’s just a matter of time before GA is arrested, all in my opinion. If not, well it’s an injustice for Caylee as it’s clear to me that GA is amoung one of the major players in this tragedy in one way or another…..
Remember George worried more about his gascans on June 24th then reporting Caylee missing. There is no way he didn’t smell that car that day,,,,all in my opinion.
Gas, your “hat” cracks me up, but I do not believe he ever saw Casey that day.
B
For the posts with Xanax theories regarding Caylee: In trying to clear up the (cloroform) drugging issue for myself, I came across this re: Xanax was not found in bones or hair and was specifically tested for.
Bone references here, http://www.wftv.com/pdf/19801861/detail.html
Hair mass from remains recovery also came up negative for Xanax. Don’t have the link for that handy.
Personally I’m still suspicious of cloroforming at the very end; in part due to high levels in the trunk, but also partly in the hope she didn’t suffer as much.
Oh boy, oh boy….I must need a vacation, the last post was intended for the other later thread…my bad…AGAIN. !
WEll thank you B, you do a fantastic job……
So the date of the infamous trunk incident never happened? Wasnt that
June 24th or am I mistaken…
ros….comment #229 I found that video of george and Cindy with Greta in the backyard!! On Lunar Legion’s channel on YouTube it is titled George Sweats Decomp! Personal Hygene According to Cindy
Julie…#347 Thanks
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=asli_c189FM
I looked at this one, I haven’t seen the full version (especially with the creative editing!). But, the one I am remembering is even EARLIER.
George is talking about while Caylee and Casey were ‘at large’, he and Cindy were trying to figure out what was going on, even discussing something happening in the pool due to the ladder being back up. He was poking at the grass and the landscaping……still looking.
I will dig more and see if I can find it….ros….
I dunno how nobody smelled that car if CAylee was in there..It would begin to smell right away, especially in that heat. Even if she was buried in the back yard, it would still smell….I know this is kind of gross but I always thought Casey placed Caylee in the freezer in the garage for a short period of time, Could explain her backing up into the garage and could explain the chloroform found. Freezers contains Chloroform…So does pool water…I wonder if LE checked out that freezer
Well, whatever CAsey was doing with Caylee before the tragedy was working for her, could be why she was so care free, and partied like nothing was wrong. But what was that? I still want to know what Ricardo actually knew. AFter all it was the first week in June Caylee and CAsey stayed with him, in the same bed. Yet woke up to find Caylee missing. He knows nothing about that night and or what happened to Caylee. Just took Casey’s word she took Caylee home. Casey did all that undetected???? Even if Caylee was drugged in the car, wouldnt Ricardo notice that the next morning when Casey went out to the car? Something doesnt add up here….Why all the oode names for most of Ricardo’s friends? What was the group up to? I’m curious about Ricardo in general not that he had anything to do with the murder however was he a supplier of drugs?? I wonder.
I kind of think Cindy cut the strings before father’s day. Why would CAsey need to take Caylee to Ricardo’s and sleep over and Caylee ending up missing that night? Something doesnt add up…Where was Caylee? Who had her?
Could the bio-dad been in the picture after all? I am just curious about that…
ONe more comment as its been eating at me for months….Why the secret about the bio-dad? Was the bio-dad holding something over Casey’s head. Was he from a family who would disown him if found out he fathered a child? Could be the reason why Casey said she’s protecting the family in her own twisted mind?….Knowing who her bio-dad is, in my mind is extremely important. Could mean motive. I certainly hope LE has looked into this also amoung many other senerios.. just cannot see a 21 yr old murdering her child just so she can party. Doesnt make sense unless of course drugs were involved and many other things I’d hate to think about
Gascangeorge, I think it is possible the guy who died in the car wreck was bio-dad, but we’ll only know if DNA testing is done and if it’s released to the public. Otherwise, just someone Casey doesn’t want anyone to know she was boinking. In other words….not the catch she wanted in life!!!
Blink,
your comment to # 74
is your caveat that CA drowned her on purpose? or was it an accident???? if accident why the Death Penalty?
Confused please clarify, thanks always for the great work!
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Comment by artgal16 — June 19, 2009 @ 6:58 pm
blink I have read some of your responses here. It seems you are saying that
1. it was an accident, Casey didnt kill caylee on purpose
2. caylee was not chloroformed
3. caylee’s mouth was duct taped after she died
4 caylees body was in the trunk from the night of the 16th
Blink,
#74 to me this means that Caylee died the day of the 16th= the only thing left that I can think of then, is an accident with the pool. Is that what you believe?
Yes, with a caveat. I am not positive if she drowned in the bathtub and then put in the pool to make it look like an accident, or if she was drowned in the pool. I am comfortable for me, it is one or the other. This is occams razor to me when you drill it all down.
B
That is one of a few comments Im on the record for, referring you to the autopsy article part I
B
Blink
#243 Comment by FairestWitness — June 22, 2009 @ 6:51 am
I think this may answer my question, but I will take any commnet you want to give!
Blink, is it your contention that Casey did not intend to kill Caylee? That her death was the result of neglect?
The reason I ask is that I recently listened to all the taped interviews of the various witnesses conducted by the FBI and OPD. I came away with the distinct impression that Casey resented the responsibilities of Caylee, that those duties interfered with her new relationship with Tony Lazarro. A couple of social invitations had to be declined by Casey because Cindy wouldn’t allow her out. Here she was 22 years old and her mother was telling her she couldn’t go somewhere. Is it possible Casey killed her daughter to be free?
I have fluctuated between a NEGLIGENT Accident (meaning something occurred that was preventable and caused through negligence of her Mother in some way), and murder in a split second fit of rage and frustration. The exact placement of the duct tape in the autopsy report has changed my opinion drastically. I believe the latter.
B