Caylee/Casey Anthony Case: Caylees Autopsy Revelations Part I
Orlando, FL– Under heavy objection last Friday afternoon, Judge Stan Strickland denied the motion on behalf of George and Cindy Anthony to seal Caylee Marie Anthonys autopsy until their daughter Caseys capital murder trial in their granddaughters death. Late Friday afternoon, the Findings of Dr. Jan Garavaglia, Chief Medical Examiner of Orange County were released. In Part I, we explore a few of the notable findings, In Development for Part II, Blinkoncrime will be is creating an interactive 3D Model, incorporating the evidence recovery field, bone disbursement pattern, and anatomical example of the duct tape placement.
The Laundry Bag
Although the report contains a significant amount of anthropologic and forensic data, it does not contain photos or X-Rays, pursuant to the Earnhardt exclusion under Florida Law. Blinkoncrime.com will attempt to offer some observations and in some cases, correct some erroneous information that is being reported in the msm. For starters, the laundry bag picture being circulated, it is incorrect, the image to the left is the correct bag, note the dimensions are exact. The top of this bag does not cinch.
The Duct Tape
I have seen rampant speculation on the duct tape beginning around 15 minutes following the release of the report. 
There are many who believe that Casey Anthony killed her child by wrapping her nose and mouth with duct tape. Allow me to point out the report actually reflects the antithesis of this theory. First, there IS NO TAPE ON THE POSTERIOR of her skull. The only posterior placement of the tape mentioned is still located on the mandible, or face. The tape, which was actually small strips of grey cloth-based, delaminating tape is applied on top of itself, not really feasible with a live toddler. Given the findings that Caylee’s mandible stayed in almost true anatomical position, although slightly posterior and that the hair that was attached to the tape extended from the back of her head and over her head and face, it is likely Caylee was laying on her back when the tape was applied. Henkel makes 2 kinds of duct tape, one is more Industrial grade of adhesive “hot set” over cloth designed for waterproof and outdoor projects. It has not yet been disclosed which formulation was used.
The O Sign
A contributing poster at blinkoncrime gave me something to think about that had not occurred to me. I am on record stating I do believe that Casey Anthony murdered her daughter, and that she will end up pointing the finger at one or both of her parents as a defense strategy.
However, the duct tape never really fit for me. I have always believed it to be a post mortem tactic to stage a kidnapping. I do believe I may have been wrong. Very well known to medical and critical care professionals, there is something called an O effect; occurring at very near death, or shortly following death and before rigormortis sets in.
Some medical people refer to it when the person is very near death or has just died–the jaw drops open. Nothing left to hold the mandible shut. In morgue kits there is a strap that is applied around the jaw to gently close it before rigor sets in. This “O” sign can be very pronounced and unsettling to see first hand. Casey probably wasn’t aware of this and was really spooked by this silent scream and used the duct tape then put a heart sticker on it as a ________
This makes sense to me. The tape is applied in small strips across the nose and mouth areas, catching her hair in the face over the Coronal plane region. One interpretation that may be drawn is that Caylee was lying on her back, upon seeing what Casey had done to her child as evidenced by the relaxed mandible; she attempted to “fix her”. As if covering up the evidence of death on her baby would change things, complete with a heart sticker. No sooner did I arrive at this conclusion on Saturday, did I see Dr.Michael Baden appear on Geraldo Live on Sunday evening bringing up the mortuary kit issue. I am not saying this idea originated here, not that it would be the first time, but it at least tells me there is corroboration within the forensic Medical community as to the premise. The FBI report on the duct tape has not been released. One thing is certain, what I have been stating all along about Casey’s prints being on the duct tape seems foreboding. With multiple strips of tape, chances are there are several. The defense has had this report for months, is this why Casey Anthony retained Todd Macaluso?
Swim Diaper?
There are several remnants recovered that are described as a diaper or pull ip item. However, there are a few that appear to be strictly synthetic. When I read the report, my immediate reaction based on some of the coloring was that it was a “swimmie”, or disposable swim diaper. After mapping out the dimensions and a closer look, I believe it is actually referring to remnants of both a pull up, a reusable swim diaper, or swim floation/assistance device or both, as pictured here:
Paper Towels
Simply stated there is decomposition fluid on paper towels in the plastic garbage bag found in her trunk that came from Tony Lazzarros apartment.
In my opinion, Casey ripped the bag Caylees remains were in when she moved her body into or out of the trunk to her final resting place in the woods off Suburban. The stain in the trunk, emitting the ungodly stench, was the target of the paper towels after Casey returned to TonE’s apartment. She brought the paper towels and garbage bag out with her in an attempt to clean it up and realized almost immediately it was an excerise in futility. Immediately following are her comments to Amy about George Anthony borrowing her car, and the infamous squirrel stowaway story.
Her Clothes
In contrast to only a stitching remnant with a manufactures tag left of her shirt, Caylees shorts were found nearly 2 ft ft away from the laundry bag, in relatively good condition. Based on the reports findings of trunk and femural animal activity and the corresponding recovery area, I am of the opinion that it is not possible that Caylee was wearing those shorts when she was dumped in the woods. Frankly, given the fact that the actual color stripe pattern was discernable versus the condition of the other items, I am suspect Casey was in those woods more than once. How do you get only the collar of a shirt remaining and her shorts completely intact with no noted damage? Lastly, Caylees shoes if she were wearing any, were not recovered.
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Do you think this was actually a drowning. If so, accidental or not?
Personally, I think it is a possibility, but makes no difference to me if accidental to me or not, she is responsible. But because she never called 911, and the tape, I think unlikely it is an accident.
B
I hope for Justice for Caylee.
You write great articles Blink, very in depth.
Some great observations, Blink. So Casey visited the wooded area where she left Caylee more than once? That doesn’t surprise me, really.
I believe Caylee was killed on June 15th, just because Casey was so insistent that she hadn’t seen her daughter in 31 - THIRTY ONE - days. Why that number of days? It’s almost as if she had been counting each day since Caylee was gone. Something pathological about that.
Blink, if that pull up diaper was actually a swim diaper, then chances are Caylee probably died in the pool. Casey more than likely drowned her in that pool. Would there be detectable pool chemicals on that diaper? Was that material sent to the FBI for analysis?
Yes it was sent, and I would not expect much in that result. If she died in the pool with any appreciable amount of time it is more likely that would be found in the pool filter, dont know.
B
Wow Blink this is great. So you are saying that casey was going in and out of those woods maybe putting stuff there? or removing stuff?
I think someone was desperate to say that those remains were put there at a time long after they were, so who knows, Im just positive she was not wearing those shorts when she was put there. Only half of her pelvis was recovered, keep in mind.
B
Hi Blink,
Forgive me if i dont understand,but does that mean that the animals that were eating at her body (disgusting)would have torn apart the shorts too? so thats how you are sure that she didnt have those shorts on at the time of being dropped there? Is it possible that she just threw those shorts in the bags with her because maybe she already had those shorts set out for caylee to wear but never got them on her? Or you really think that she was crazy enough taking such a big risk of getting caught revisting the dump site.
It is possible she threw the shorts in yes, I agree, however, it would not explain their condition vs. the shirt, if they were in the same bag per se.
I am saying that based on the bone disbursement pattern, and the quantified animal activity she was NOT wearing those shorts. Anything more specific your going to have to read the findings, I cannot bring myself to type it out. Sorry.
B
It makes sense that Casey probably frequently returned to her home
after George and Cindy went to work. She had to go somewhere as she didnt work and her house would be the most comfortable place. Also whatever did occur that caused Caylees death, if at their home, the
items found at the remains site would have been handy for Casey to take immediately, the blanket, laundry bag, duct tape, and trash bags
all would have been right there for her to take with her. The problem then to me is what many have described as the “rage factor”. If Casey dressed Caylee and they took off to “work” as George stated, she must have been in a somewhat calm state by then. How is it that she was able to go back home, and then calmly drown Caylee? Because I absolutely cannot believe in an accident as Casey with the self-preservation instincts of a sociopath would have played the distraught mother to a tee and reported it. There is no way she would have gone through all the machinations that she did if this were an accident. She came up with the baby-sitter story, if Caylee had a real accident even from Caseys momentary lapse of leaving her in the pool alone she would have lied about the circumstances and still reported it. That leaves to me, if Caylee drowned, that Casey drowned her, and in a manner that was cold and dispassionate, and that is what confounds me every time.
Jesse Grund opined that IF an accident happened, Casey would “freak” and possibly do something irrational. The O theory would still make sense if it were accidental…so this could still explain the duct tape. Mind you, I am not in any way trying to minimize culpability for this woman. In my mind, the child abuse, neglect and cover-up are plenty reason to put her away for good. For Casey, an accidental death may seem less attractive than any other method. Admitting to her mother any neglect which could lead to death would be unlikely, knowing the dynamic of their relationship it would be held over her head forever. A kidnapping makes Casey a victim, too. My theory, for what it’s worth, is that she had been plotting for some time and was seeking a method to dispose of Caylee. The kidnapping was always the planned cover-up. I think the Xanax was soley intended to subdue her when needed and had been utilized long before she plotted her death. I believe she purposely left the ladder up and turned her back. She knew the reprecussions and did it anyway.
The post mortem stage was quite ugly, hence the use of tape, stickers and the laundry bag over the trash bags. Getting rid of the shirt and stripped shorts was a necessity as this was the last outfit her parents saw Caylee wearing. (It’s plausible that she inadvertenly retained the shorts in her car and upon reflection, she disposed of them in the vicinty of the original dump site.)
Dear B…does anyone remember the computerized action re-enactment of
the OJ murders? Know if this kind of thing can be done for this case?
I truly believe that Casey did drown Caylee in the pool. All one has to do is look at the last jailhouse tape of casey and her parents when her mother mentions that the latest story is that she (Casey drowned the baby in the pool. Casey’s eyes bug out of her head for a split second then she recovers and says something like “Well, there you go…” And also what do u know re media cover-ups? 1) In DEC
reporter on NG mentioned that a bathing suit was found with the remains and NG is incredulous …”What? a bathingsuit?” Never mentioned again as far as I know on any show.
Also there appeared a crime scene photo amongst dibris in woods prominently displayed was the big yellow picure book Caylee was reading on the video in the nursing home on the last day of her life.
Never seen that one again nor have I ever read more about that. I agree with you that Casey was back n forth between home and woods discarding items she may have thought would incriminate her somehow.
Im not sure it was her at all. Remember Cindy Anthny “Ive had people walk those woods..”
B
B - you are wrong about the shorts AND it was no accident!
I just love it when someone jumps on here, misinformed, and armed with an opinion they do not back up. If you are to be taken seriously here, respect the intelligence of the readers here and myself and educate me and them as to how your opinion is correct, or worthy of consideration please.
B
So kc fingerprints will be the states ace in the hole awesome. I have really been struggling with what is the greater horror in this case the fact that caylee is dead or the way she was disposed of afterword.I am now leaning toward the latter. This childs remains should seal kc fate imo
Thanks so much Blink for all this information. This site is one of the best sources around! Your work is so well thought out and detailed. I believe they took the swim diapers and pullups from the house during a warrant. They should be able to match it up to determine whether it was a pull up or swim diaper.
If it were an accident, even if Casey stayed ‘mum’, the defense and Cindy could have gone that route instead of the ‘pizza explains it’, ’someone Casey calls the ‘nanny’ who loves Caylee like Jesse’ did it, or Jesse and Amy and Ricardo were the ‘nanny’ and they did it. And set up scenarios to manipulate the direction of the investigation away from accident, away from the evidence of even their own observations about the car decomp.
If it was an accident, then no harm in clearing off the case for Mr. M’s client and if it was an accident, clear the economic charges, and keep the DP off the table– an accident makes Casey ‘innocent’ of the death, maybe not innocent of the actions after the ‘accident’.
But then Baez has the opportunity to become a world famous lawyer and that won’t happen if they tell the truth about the accident– if there was one. It has to go as far as it can go and then they need to pile it even higher.
It’s all about Casey being the center of attention and control– as she stays quiet, she is in control of her parents and everyone else who is affected. And she gains notariety. Once she speaks, it’s over. If she’s asked about Caylee– she’s simply not interested. It MUST all be about her, and that’s the only way to get her to talk, when it’s about her.
Why do family members have a need for answers, for truth of what happened to a loved one, a need to bring a body home, a need for these levels of ‘closure’, a need to seek justice on behalf of a loved one. Look at the lengths the Goldman’s went to seek justice for their son in the face of a ‘not guilty’ verdict in criminal court. They have an innate need.
But what about families who lose a loved one at the hands of another family member and when the victim can not be in any way blamed for their own demise, as with an innocent child? And further, going beyond the natural instincts to support the accused family member, but far beyond this to manipulating public opinion and jury pool influence, to actually taking physical actions that make investigators jobs that much harder, or even cleansing evidence on behalf of the family member.
This is a strange situation for a family to go this far against ‘justice’ and dignity for the lost child.
Hey Blink, three things. One, do you think a member of the A family or someone in their employ that was wondering around out there could have placed the shorts there many months later, given the relative good shape the shorts were in? Keep in mind also that G & C were under constant scrutiny. Lee was only watched at court, jail, Hopespring etc.
Two, Do you think she was smart enough to have concocted the squirrel story with George using the car that far in advance for a reason? Could she have been planning that far in advance to throw George under the bus?
Three, Do you find it ironoc that the two promoters from the “Casey is innocent” media tour are going to be the ones thrown under the bus? Or could that have been the plan all along and they just went along with it to try and establish reasonable doubt for their darling little demon?
The “O” effect is a bit disconcerting and I hope it is the cause for her nightmares of late.
what material difference between the shorts and the shirt? The shirt label was mentioned, think ‘cotton’, will have to check. And the shorts? Shorts are a more robust material than a shirt often, and maybe they were a polyester which will not degrade at the same rate as a natural fibre. But it might still not explain everything. The shorts could have been packed in the napsack, or packed in the bag with the napsack. If the shorts were added later, why not add shoes later too?
Im talking about the overall condition of the two items. The shirt was a collar, only the hemmed collar survived and all else almost completely degraded and the letters were buried in muck. Shorts had Identifiable pattern at the scene. Remember that warrant was served on 12/19, after the served the other 12/11-12/12. I am of the opinion forensics made the same conclusion.
B
Love your theories on this. What do you think about the gatorade bottle that was supposedly found with the liquid and the syringe?? Could been used to inject something into caylee and killed her???
unrelated, imo
B
Looking forward to part 2 if there is one!!!
Hey, Kleat, et al. I don’t really think Casey would even acknowledge an accidental drowning to her attorney. Do you? It’s the “self preservation”, “I’m a victim too” that leaves me convinced of that. I’m almost starting to think that they will take their “some other dude” defense to the ends of the earth. Even to pointing the finger at the Anthony’s. Not giving the A’s immunity gives the prosecution a bargaining chip here, well, I hope it will. An accidental death could be the last ditch defense when all other options are off the table. Anyway, I see this defense train heading to hell and back before it’s all over. Hope I’m incorrect.
Maybe when the body was placed there she had on the pull up and no pants??
Great article, bringing the pieces of the autopsy together. On the shorts: what were they made of? Acrylic would hold up far better but the dyes would fade. Were the shorts under something else or under leaf piles? If she were in swim diapers, the short could easily have been separate but dumped at the same time. With the number of Anthony supporters haunting those woods, any one could have dumped the shorts later to add to the idea that some unknown Nanny dumped Caylee while Casey was in jail. Prior to Aug 18 bailout, I mean. On the paper towels: were they tested for DNA? I saw no report one way or the other. I do note the cannibinoids found on the towels along with the decomp. Sounds like Casey again. Interesting that the towels came from TonyLs.
George and Cindy and Casey are all playing this the same way. When a little more evidence comes out, they change their stories to include whatever cannot be ignored. The parents are floundering around, looking like fools, but Casey and Baez are stone cold. I would like to know who in the Anthony family is going to jump under that bus when the time comes. Before this is all over, Casey is going to demand another blood sacrifice.
red, you hit on what i ve just been thinking her setting george up (lots of things could be explained).
unless george was involved(i still havent let go of that)but the shorts ,first are they indeed the shorts from poppa video? i mentioned a long time ago ,cindy slipped and realized she slipped in the 911 call when they ask her to describe what CASEY is wearing and cindy describes what she last saw caylee wearing,cindy pauses catches her mistake and realizes its too late and continues,cuz she realizes they are not supposed to know what caylee is wearing,george overcorrects by knowing exactly what caylee is wearing down to an abnormal t <when ,not sure how it fits in the puzz but it is a piece.
Thanks Blink for explaining some of the autopsy in regards to the duct tape. I read it and thought that it was wrapped around her head. The O theory is very interesting. I used to work in a nursing home and when people passed away you could not get their mouths to close. It was greatly disturbing and the mortuary would tell us not to worry, they had something that would help.
I really struggled and Klaasend and I worked on some 3D skull images so y’all could see it exactly. It shook me to see it in that format, so I am glad my 30,000 foot view did the job. I believe that is exactly what happend. Remember also this is a tiny child, it is not the same as attempting to close the mandible of an adult.
B
My point with this is that if I was to tape up someone who’s mouth fell open i would use tape running from under the chin up towards the cheeks. However, that doesn’t mean that’s how Casey would do it. I still wonder the purpose of the duct tape is all. We will probably never know.
And their it all is blink,why were you not a cop? I think I understand or at least kinda understand so far.I do hope when all is said and done you are given some credit for all your work,the O effect answers the duct tape ? for me,Thank-you for all the work you done on all the cases,mainstream media seems to rip you off alot, BLESSINGS R.L.
Ty friend.
B
After re reading the article–yes it was well worth rereading–I have a horrible thought about the duct tape over the mouth. Something I have been thinking all along is that Caylee was beginning to speak and tell George and Cindy more than Casey might want them to know about her life style and lack of job. After the long day with Cindy, who knows what Caylee might have said? The evidence seems to me to show a premeditated murder. Might not the duct tape have been a message to George and Cindy, and the heart sticker a little added signature? If Caylee were found, then the duct tape makes it look like an abduction but the heart sticker tells those who understand the message exactly what happened and why.
Blink … I read the National Center for Missing and Exploited Children did a study on mothers who murder their children and statistically, the vast majority of those who have, do it via drowning or suffocation with plastic bags ’sub-conscientiously’ to resemble womb-like surroundings.
http://www.slate.com/id/2063086/ under THE MURDERS section of the article (below).
“The Murders
Perhaps more revealing than the differences in why they kill their offspring are the differences between how fathers and mothers do so. For one thing, parental murderers tend to be highly physical. According to a 1988 survey done by the U.S. Justice Department, while 61 percent of all murder defendants used a gun in 1988, only 20 percent of the parents who killed their children used one. Children were drowned and shaken, beaten, poisoned, stabbed, and suffocated. These methods betray a certain “craziness” in both genders—they betray an intense passion and a lack of planning. But a study by the National Center for Missing and Exploited Children shows that fathers are far more violent. And mothers frequently dispose of the corpses in what researchers call a “womblike” fashion. Bodies are swaddled, submerged in water, or wrapped in plastic. Moreover, the NCMEC study showed that while the victims of maternal killings are almost always found either in or close to the home, fathers will, on average, dispose of the bodies hundreds of miles away. All these behaviors suggest that women associate these murders with themselves, their homes, and their bodies.”
In thinking about it, it sounds right? Susan Smith - drowning, Andrea Yates, drowning then swaddled. Now maybe I’m way out in left field here but I don’t think so. I’ve tried searching the internet for the actual study to no avail.
Whoopsie … I forgot to finish my question.
Wasn’t Caylee found in/with plastic bags? A Whinnie the Pooh blanket?
Thanks, Blink!
Blink , always enjoy your articles. I did want to point out that I believe what we all thought was Caylee’s “storybook” pictured at the dumpsite, turned out to be a yellow realtors sign.keep up the good work.
Yes, thank you for posting that, I remember.
B
Blink, your movie list for the Anthony saga have included Troy, the Brad Pitt in Toga scene, more recently the whole Kill Bill movie, and now, how about adding the classic, ‘Twelve Angry Men’ for Scott’s # 10 post– fits almost all of the characters at the beginning of the film, but to a T for the hold out til the end, juror.
Thanks, Dee, I never knew that
Blink, wasn’t there a shoe or shoes in the Father’s Day balloon that Kevin found in the area and took to the Anthony’s to see if Cindy could identify any of the things there as belonging to Caylee?
Blink does the prosecution need to provide a possible motive or offer a theory as to why caylee was killed? Will a jury need that info to decide a verdict in this case?
I understand from reading the report and what blink has outlined that Caylee’s remains and other items were not completely contained within the bags and were scattered over an area. Therefore would it be possible to tell whether the person who returned to discard the shorts would have thrown them in roughly the same spot or whether they were actually deposited in the bags which contained Caylees remains?
I know this is not nice to imagine but I was intrigued as to what Blink meant by not being able to bring herself to type it.
Is it possible the shorts were what Cindy found or am I way off on that? Go easy though I’m still a novice.
As for shoes if they were never with her immediately prior to or during her murder they would never really be in the equation, so I guess that would fit with the pool theory.
I think Caylee died either as a result of drug poinsoning in the form of tranquilizers (the Zanny the Nanny stuff), died in car after an all night bender by Casey (possibly combined with drug poisoning), or was drowned or suffocated in some combination of frustration, desire to hurt Cindy, and callousness and self-regard by Casey. I do think it was either purposeful or extreme negligence and not a mere accident, which I think Casey would have reported.
What do you make of the “Big Trouble Comes Small” lettering? It’s under-explained in the autopsy report. It suggests to me some post-mortem ritual by Casey, likely a narcissistic and self-pitying one based on the words used. This is consistent with either (i) accidental death and freaking out or (ii) purposeful killing and regret. The latter is quite common incidentally in homicides by parents, where bodies of children are often arranged to be “comfortable” when buried, for example. (John Douglas discusses this in his profiling book “Mind Hunter.”)
I think the tape could have been used to suffocate Caylee in her sleep. It also could have been used to prevent the leakage of fluid post-mortem which would have been very disturbing to Casey. Perhaps Caylee vomited due to drugs and was still expelling items post-portem. It’s hard to say. Its presence is not very consistent with a normal, accidental death though.
My theory on the dump site is that Casey originally planned to take her farther, perhaps to the woods near OIA or East towards Christmas, but the smell was overpowering after caylee was left in car overnight or even for a few hours, and she immediately decided to leave her in woods nearby her home. The rains, floods, fencing, and snakes in the area after August combined to make the body unfound until a great deal of evidence was lost.
I remember cindys comment that she had people walking in those woods is that why they had lunch at the ritz?
blink great job i didnt realize that (what seem to be)swimmies and/or flotation device were there too , no shoes cuz she was swimming,the person just didnt qrab em,with the other stuff,are you going to show the 3d imagery? im still rereading your article.
In regards to the “O sign”, I have seen it in real life (when my mom passed away) and it is the one most disturbing thing that I took away from my mom’s passing and it still disturbs me even 10 years later. I did not know that this happens before I saw it and I believe it happens because when death occurs, muscle control is lost and there is nothing to hold the jaw closed. Not to be too graphic in my description, but I believe it’s an unsettling thing to see for most people because it’s not just that one’s jaw drops straight down, it drops at an unnatural angle, an angle to the side, that it would never be at during life. I am not sure why the duct tape was placed in the way that it was placed, but it would make sense to me that Casey would put several layers of duct tape on to put the jaw back into proper alignment and keep the mouth closed.
I have worked in the death industry (funeral home) and I have never seen anything resembling the strap you speak of for the O-theory. I have no idea why this would be used, since the funeral director is responsible for the cosmetics of a deceased not the hospital or the ME. I have seen many deceased persons brought in from the ME’s office, hospital, or their home and none of them have had the strap that you speak of. Such an apparatus may have been used over 50 years ago but certainly is not used today.
Regarding the “swimmie” or the swim diaper. Correct me if I am wrong, but didn’t Cindy say that after she and Caylee returned home on June 15th from visiting Cindy’s father and mother in Mt. Dora that she took Caylee swimming in the pool. Casey came home while they were in the pool and was going to come into the pool with them, but Cindy said that it was getting cool and she and Caylee got out of the pool. And according to Cindy, that was why Casey did not get into the pool with them.
I think this is when Cindy started arguing with Casey about the stolen money. Casey then took clothes for Caylee and left the house, with the child in the “swimmie.” After Casey killed Caylee, she disposed of the clothing she had taken with her. I beleive also that Casey made a remark as to “them not even finding Caylee’s clothing yet.” Anyone else remember this?
Regarding the shorts, I do agree that she wasn’t probably wearing any at the time of her death. I have a son who is almost the exact same age now as Caylee was when she was murdered and he frequently will go just in a shirt and a diaper, especially in the summer. I live in CA so it is a similar climate to Florida (minus the humidity)and I could totally see her being in just a pullup and a shirt. I agree that the shorts were probably put there way after and for 31 days no one knew that Caylee was even missing so Casey could have and probably did go back to where she dumped her. I have seen in many articles that murderers will revisit the scene numerous times, as if to relive the crime or to try to cover things up.
BTW, I read this site very often and I just wanted to say TY Blink for the tireless hours you spend investigating and putting everything together for us
I’m sorry, but are you forgetting motive? The Anthony’s loved that child, Casey didn’t…case closed, imo.
DeeinFL, yes I do remember Casey saying that “they didn’t even find her clothes yet”, thinking at the time how bizzare that was, almost indicating the clothes were in a separate place from the baby. Didn’t you find that really odd?
Glad to read Blink’s observations on the duct tape. The “O” explanation sounds rational.
When duct tape was first reported I thought perhaps Caylee had died in the truck with the ‘babysitter’ being Chloroform. Then the duct tape was used to stop any stomach contents/early decomposition detritus from further contaminating the car trunk.
Didn’t one of Casey’s girlfriends report finding a duct tape roll in Casey’s purse?
There has been so much information and discovery released in this case that I have been unable to read it all. Therefore, I’m not really capable of making a solid judgment about the details of this crime. However, it seems like most people have made up there minds as to Casey’s guilt and even determined (in their spare time) that this was premeditated and methodical in nature. I fully agree that she is a despicable human being, a bad mother, and a criminal, but I’m not at all certain that she purposefully killed her child. In fact, I am leaning toward the opposite. This does not excuse her behavior leading up to and after whatever occurred, but it does remove the possibility of the death penalty and the severity of both the crime and the ultimate punishment. She is a liar and her reaction was to lie her way out of something tragic. Of course, this was one instance where her lies couldn’t “help” her. She found herself in a hole and she kept digging. She’s so deep now, she’ll never get out. Still, this is a far cry from her murdering her child. Just my opinion.
Didn’t one of Casey’s friends say that he saw her “jogging” in that area, and he called or texted her and asked her if she had been out jogging on that road, and she said “no”. But, he swore it was her? I remember reading that and thinking she went down to check on the body. But, I’m not sure who it was that said it.
One thing that bugs me a little about the “intentional drowning in the pool theory” is I notice that the A’s live in a housing tract where houses are situated pretty close together. We live in a similar neighborhood and I know that at any given point there are at least two or three neighbors that can look out their windows and see into my yard. IMO I don’t think Casey would have intentionally drowned her in the backyard pool because the risk of being seen would have been too great. I do believe Casey did murder Caylee intentionally and that it was not an accident but maybe it was done in the bathtub and not the pool. Blink - do you know if any of the A’s surrounding neighbors have a field of vision into their yard?
Well, they atleast CLAIM to love her. I have felt like from the beginning that the 911 call sounded rehearsed. Spindy sounded like she was reading a script to me. She, IMO, did not sound like a panic stricken grandma! I think the coverup begin when Spindy drove Crazy around trying to have her arrested for more petty crimes. If she could have gotten Crazy to the police station and filed charges against her then Crazy would have been in jail and THEREFORE, it would have had to been someone else that had done something to/with Caylee………JMO
One of the 911 calls Cindy states that the last time she saw Caylee was “The seventh of June”…….perhaps a mix up….but the mix up keeps going around in my head
Hey Blink,
People who but cheap tools tend to buy cheap tools for everything. I don’t know if you remember it or not but the A’s own a hammer.
It is one of the dollar store variety, or from the cheap bin at a hardware store. Duct tape is, in my mind, in the tool category. Their duct tape would also be the cheap kind. The bad news from this is that in the outdoors, especially with changing conditions, this tape deteriorates. The thin plastic grey part comes off the top, then it all just kind of breaks down until it is powder, or goo, depending on conditions. I am hoping that the plastic bags protected it from the elements well enough to retrieve abundant fingerprints from the person responsible for taping Caylee.
The good nes is if there were multiple layers then the top layers protected the bottom, somewhat. If she put three or four pieces it would have been way better for preserving the evidence.
Red, normally your 100% correct so it gives me great pleasure to tell you the tape is actually stamped with the *200* on it, thus my theory.
Till we meet Aggggaaaaiiinnn Grasshopper.
teehee. B
Blink, you are so amazing and very humble. Just couldn’t jump on board with you about the “accident” possiblity. I have 2 questions and one observation FWIW:
1) The Christoper Stutz Depo… In it, he states they dated for a few months a year before Caylee went missing; he goes off to college then comes home for summer break towards the end of April 2008. These are some of the things he says in his depo:
a. He sees Casey the day before Mothers Day — thinks it was Cinco De Mayo (but I think that is really May 5). “She came over”. Apparently he was out with friends and she spend a couple hrs. talking with Chris’ parents. He comes home; they go out.
b. May 11/Mothers Day — spends the day at his parents house with Chris and Caylee is with her.
c. May 17 — Chris’ parents aren’t home and Casey and Caylee spend the night there. Says about her car “Like May 17 she tried to start it and it wouldn’t turn over”.
d. Close to June 17 (he’s unsure of date) Chris sees Casey at Scoops and talked for about 5 minutes. A few days later she drops by to say “hey”.
June 16, 17, or 18 — he’s unsure of exact date. Chris says ” I had saw her I think it was the night before I saw her just randomly and so she decided to stop by the next day. We didn’t really hang out or anything like that”. He says she stops by Chris’ house around “5-ish” and stayed for an hour to 2 hours “just sitting on the couch just watching TV and talking”. Casey talked about her and Caylee moving to a different house.
e. July 7 - He sees Casey at Buffalo Wild Wings
f. July 13, 14 - a few texts from Casey to Chris
g. July 15 - Chris believes he sees Casey running/jogging (?) on Chicasaw around 9:30 a.m. and texts Casey to ask if that was her he saw. She says “no” and that was that.
Here is what I don’t understand….he visits Cindy later in July with a group of friends to talk about Caylee and what they know. That same day/time period, he “Met with George and Cindy Anthony at their house sometime around July 19 to 26, along with more of Casey’s friends, giving her parents any information they could about Caylee. Said he brought a bag with Caylee’s “scuba-style” swim suit, which has a life-vest sewn into it, as well as inflatable swimming armbands, hair accessories and other items.” (This quote found in an Orlando Sentinel article).
Chris never mentions in his depo. that he, Casey, Caylee ever went swimming together. How the heck did Chris end up with Caylee’s swimming gear/suit???? Did Casey say “hey Chris, here hold onto these things for awile while I go to jail”? This has never made sense to me, unless Chris gave a second deposition to law enforcement that I am unaware of. No wonder Chris’ parents told him not to answer the phone when Casey called him from jail. Is Chris afraid Casey will point the finger at him also…hmmmmm
2. The “O” effect never happened with either my mother or father upon their passing. I spent about 2 hours with each of them upon their last breath. Definitely didn’t happen with my parents (God rest their soul)….IMO this could be argued. Just saying…
3. Does it matter how the trash bags were tied? Either by a right-handed or left-handed person. Would create a different knot if, in fact, she were ever to point the finger at Cindy.
My dear Pam, I hope you realize I dont believe it was an accident. I believe she murdered her regardless, but I do believe the O theory 100%. I have seen it personally, and frankly I am a little taken aback I had not thought of it, I think it is a Mom/Child thing. There is very little I ever thought about in regards to the death of a baby before this case.
Your thoughts on Chris Stutz ARE OUTSTANDING. I was saving that!! Bad Girl! Teasing, I alluded to it the other day when I mentioned about Casey cruising in Tony’s Jeep to Chris’s. I 1000% believe his statements are redacted. She called him from prison for a reason people!!
Lastly, I do think it matters about the bag, but only if there was some oddity about the way they were tied that is direct to Casey.
B
Hey Momof5. I am not Blink but I know that the Anthony’s have a 6′ wooden privacy fence in their backyard.
One thing I just remembered that I have not seen spoken of recently…. Didn’t the cadaver dogs also hit on the sandbox as well? I think it is the plastic kind with a cover.
re: chris stutz what does this mean exactly?
Uhoh, you know what happens on here when you ask a question indicating you did not research it yourself first?
lol, you may not got an answer, but I really dont understand your question anyway
B
Thank you, Blink….Interesting reading.
Cadaver dogs had several hits in A’s backyard and pool area if I recall correctly. This is why we always summized that SOMETHING happened in the backyard. What the Autopsy will tell us, though is a timeline and HOW Caylee’s death occured. So, when we know exactly her manner of death or what she died from—the rest of the pieces should fall into place. If she was drowned–then water should be in the lungs. If Chloroform was used or any drugs given to her prior to her death, that should be evident in the toxicology report.
NG, I fear you may be article behind, tox was clean and there was no lungs to examine, she was completely skeletanized.
B
No wonder G&C fought the release of the results so hard—the reason they gave was BS, of course. Even in the midst of defeat, they still are trying to protect—themselves and their murdering daughter. Even if Caylee’s death was an accident at first, this entire family is dispicable and there should be no sympathy for anyone but Caylee Marie Anthony.
Blink, at what point do we stop talking about this little beautiful girl being murdered. We all KNOW she was murdered by her mother, TwinkieBoobs. Isn’t it time to start talking about how this irrational defense seems so sure they’re going to win this trial. I have two questions I would like serious answers for. 1) Is it possible the defense already has plans to tamper with a juror? There just doesn’t seem to be a defense for this murder. Too many lies, no other killer. I just don’t get it! 2) Since we have heard the grandmother (SinDie) and Baez tell us publicly “we just don’t know all the facts” implying they do, is it possible Casey has multiple personalities? One of them being Zanny who killed little Caylee to free up TwinkieBoobs to party. An insanity defense?
1) No
2) No
B
RE: Your comments to my #50. Yep, I understand that you do not believe this was an accident. Since I trust you so deeply, for a moment I actually went back to re-think my own theory. Nope….still “intentional”…thanks Blink for thinking of all the angles. Nobody can ever say you aren’t fair..lol. I am sooo waiting for further information regarding Stutz, though like you, I don’t believe this will ever go to trial. What amazing people you have on this site! You should all be proud of your input, caring, and compassion.
#51 Red Ranger — don’t know who you are, but your input and postings are awesome!!!
Blink, I admire your brilliance! Why would Casey feel the need to layer the duct tape over Caylee’s mouth and nose so that she wouldn’t have to see that expression on Caylee’s face (the O)? Wouldn’t just one strip of tape done the trick? It’s been said that the act of adding layer after layer of the tape is an act of rage.
At about $20 per roll for 200 tape I reckon it was stolen from one of ‘ems job.
Dear DeeinFl…I absolutely remember Casey saying “they haven’t even found her clothing”. That was one of the very, few slip ups by Casey’s own admission.
I have looked and looked and cannot find the ORIGINAL conversation between herself and Lee when she first went to jail. Whatever was said that day has to be important because in the 2nd visit they spoke of “wishing they’d realized they were being recorded/it would be made public” and had to be more careful. Anyone know where to find that very, first meeting? I am sure something crucial was in that conversation. I believe Lee knows soooo much more he pulled out of his sister, or just by knowing her better than anyone.
#50: Is it possible that Casey and Caylee went swimming w/ Chris at his parents’ house on Mothers’ Day? Do the Stutz’s have a pool?
This week I viewed all of Cindy’s video interview early Aug 2008 (4 parts). She casually mentions Chris bringing over the bag to one of their meetings with all the friends. I think if there were anything suspect she might have pointed that out herself at that interview, as she was already looking for where to put the blame.
Yes and I agree Stutz interview redacted, which is legal under Florida law, but who gets the unredacted copy? Jose Baez.
B
You know Red Ranger I have to say that the dog hits in the back yard were described as the dogs showing interest in these areas. Which was strange wording to me ..I mean cadaver dogs either they hit or they don’t. Then I am thinking a little girl not quite potty trained may have left DNA in her sandbox , playhouse , etc when her diaper leaked alittle bit. That wouldn’t be a hit..but it might make a cadaver dog show interest.
Still interested in the two paper towels with the grave wax on them found in Casey’s trash bag in the trunk of her car.
And yes..she was trying to set up everyone she could..I think that Chris’ parent’s have a pool..still why leave all the baby’s pool garments and toys there?
I can’t understand how the body could have been placed in the wooded area within several blocks of the Anthony home shortly after Caylee’s death. I know it rained there in August but wasn’t it searched multiple times prior to that. How could the remains not have been found?
the point that i took from the tape ,autopsy and research and of course with future further explaination from the experts,is that she would have 4 to ten minutes,to put tape on the mouth securing the mandible(not that she knew thats whats she what doing)otherwise the mandible is stuck open for next 18,36,72 hours,until decomp releases the rigor mortis holding it open ,the autopsy implies that the tape held the mandible in place, not that 18 -72 hours passed before the tape what placed,which implies that either the tape was placed within 4-10min or it was there before or at exact death. WHICH imo i surmise that the tape was(IN NO ORDER) either punishment(before),or to muffle noise(before),or premeditated staged kidnapping(before, during or after) To me the news was devasting because it counts out accident as in 4-10 min. she would still be processing what was happening to think to cover her mouth with duct tape to make it look like a kidnapping.that would be least a couple hours later,so you could surmise that yes two .6 days later when she disposed of after seeing ‘untracable’ she put the tape on her mouth to make it look like a kidnapping (now the jaw can be taped closed) but thats not what the autopsy says, autopsy states CLEARLY ,so in comes linda boden battle of the experts, bet state and fbi got more.
B,
Thanx for all of the insight into this horrendous crime! One thing that I have not heard alot about of is the fact that they said that the cadaver dogs hit on a spot by the fence. IMO, I think that she hopped that privacy fence in their back yard and went thru the back way to drop Caylee’s body off in the woods.
Gypsy,
“still why leave all the baby’s pool garments and toys there?”
If Casey intentionally left them there (planted them) and Chris didn’t know she had left them there at the time…… and Caylee was already gone….possible set up?
Steelbonnet - the area in which the body was was underwater when the first of the searches was going on. I distinctly remember Tim Miller saying that he had wanted to search that area but it was underwater and that they held off going in there so in case there was something there they wouldn’t disturb it. It is a good thing that they didn’t or else the plant growth would have been disturbed and there wouldn’t be such a good record of how long the body was there. I fully believe that nothing went according to Casey’s “plan”. she was hoping someone would steal the car so that when the car was eventually found - there would be unknown prints there casting doubt on who had access to it. But that didn’t go according to her “plans”. And, I fully believe that she thought the car was stolen when she didn’t see it at Amscots anymore - so she was very very very surprised when mommy came and found her and the car was at home. The devil is in the detail and even from the first 911 call - Casey gave way too much detail that didn’t match up with reality.
Sorry if this a dumb question but…what does ‘redacted’ mean?
blacked out or hidden, sometimes edited. And not stupid
B
This is the best site I’ve found on this subject! I’ve never posted a comment before. I hope you don’t mind. I don’t buy into the theory of Caylee’s death being an accident. My daughter was killed in a tragic accident and I can tell you that it took me over two years before I could even walk and chew gum at the same time. Partying, shopping or getting a tattoo was the last thing on my mind. I also believe that Casey will try to implicate her parents. They know her better than anyone and probably anticipate that she’ll do this. It would explain why they always walked lightly around her and why she refuses to acknowledge them in court.
TY and welcome to my blinkdom. These genius posters are nice enough to let me hang out
B
To the Self Proclaimed Queen of Acronyms….please edit me as necessary…
“correct some erroneous information that is being reported in the msm”. Urban dictionary….msm =Mainstream Media. I jus, I jus, I jus didn’t get it. And for any other medical as well as ‘urban tards’ like me reading here….Posterior=Back…Anterior=Front.
Point taken my friend, and ROTFL. “Urban Tards” best laugh I have had in days.. TY
B
I am a nurse with many years of experience in large hospitals. Yes, the securing of the mouth shut with string has been used for many years. All nurses dread having to “bring out the body bag”. I have had to tie one many times. And no, the “O” effect does not take place within hours, it can take a while. I have left bodies in beds for hours with sheets up to the chin many times while family members make arrangements or we await their arrival.
As gases from death gather in the body it seeks an outlet and can often come in the form of moan like sounds in the early stages. This can be very upsetting to even us seasoned pro’s.
I am new to reading here and don’t even know who writes here. I googled something about the case & wound up here. Cindy A. would know the smell of dead body tissue as that is something she would have had to deal with as a nurse. It is distinctive. For instance, if a person came in with a necrotic ulcer on their leg…and the wound was covered with bandages and clothing. A seasoned medical professional would readily know it was necrotic (dead tissue) without having to look at the wound.
I think this mother killed her baby because she was at the end of her rope trying to have a carefree social life. I think there was a fight and she was told no more free babysitting, no more partying…take care of your child. I do not think anyone else was involved with the child’s death. I think the grandparents let the month go by because they had taken a strong stand and were letting their daughter take over responsibility.
The actions by the grandparents afterward is sickening. But, back to the big “O”, I think the tape was placed after death to stop the sounds & the fluid. Placed in strips across the childs face (the report said anterior that is the front & did not mention posterior (the back))…also the wad of hair left was on the side that was placed next to the ground. That helped preserve it and will put a nail in Casey Anthony’s coffin. I see many nails from this evidence that will help seal that well deserved coffin.
However you got here JG we are glad ya did.
Thanks for weighing in, I do think people are of the opinion that “prior to decomp” means almost instantaneous, and as you pointed out, which agrees with my research, it can take several hours.
B
lovingmom..I kinda doubt Casey would have carried a bag with Caylee’s remains that far. Here’s another theory…she dropped it over the fence and went back to get it later? Would explain the dogs hitting there. I doubt though Casey would put the physical effort into carrying even Caylee’s body that far. Something tells me she has a princess mentality and that would constitute work which is obviously not something she’s too interested in. Probably went straight from her car trunk to the woods. I may be wrong. NO doubt we’ll all be further repulsed to learn what LE’s theory and the unreleased evidence is. When’s the trial anyway…October?
I forgot I had a question. Did the DNA evidence come back from the circular spot in the trunk of the car? And was there dna samples taken from the paper towels?
Not back and not disclosed.
B
Okay Blink,
sorry….I went back to re-read after looking up the references to the skull angles thinking I would understand better….but now I’m still confused by this:
“First, there IS NO TAPE ON THE POSTERIOR of her skull. The only posterior placement of the tape mentioned is still located on the mandible, or face.”
Can you clarify? Am I missing it, or did you mean Anterior for one of these posterior references?
Nope, the posterior of the mandible is still on the anterior of the face. Think the backteeth, still on your face.
B
Thanks again, Blink. WOW! I haven’t caught up with the case in weeks…so I am amazed and did missed that info.
Those in the know and with the best Criminal Investigative/Scientific and Forensic evidence currently in their possession will piece this together perfectly. I’m certain they already have.
I beg to differ Ms. Blink– there are genius posters yes indeedie, but they come here because of you and we mere mortal readers/posters all benefit. And it’s like ‘living commentaries’ where you can visit time and time again and find not only new good reader comments, but new blink ideas, points, comments, answers, inserted into the ‘living comment page’. So we can learn more each time, something new to read. And the older stories too, can keep these threads alive with new info and viewpoints. All changing as things develop.
Then there’s the lanyard! We’ll continue to wait patiently….
Thanks Ms. Blink, there is a whole new level of reporting here!
sorry, but I can no longer see the word ‘redacted’ without a chuckle from the Craigslist ‘redacted’ sparring. The word will never be the same again……
Lol, true dat.
B
Here some interesting stuff. On 8/8 kc refuses a visit fro lee but speaks to him by phone asks lee to contact baez and have him come over to the jail. On 8/11 there are several ground and air searches focusing on wooded areas near amscor, moss park and the airport and is also the date kronk calls in his 1st tip. On 8/14 kc meetd eith g&c where they question kc on caylees whereabouts.there are no more visits from the a”s. Casey gets released on 8/21. On 9/3 le holds a press and goes on record that caylee is most likely deceased. Also on 9/3 le offers tm $5000 to stay and continue his searches. He vows to find caylee and states he is standing w/i r mi of where he believes she is but can’t disclose his location. On 9/5 kc gets released a 2nd time. On 9/6 le receives a call about g’s gun and it is confiscated.on 9/11 all searches are suspended.
Jenn, respectfully, this is old news and frankly not very specific as to your point. Most folks on here can recite this at will, and it lacks signifcant other data. I am not sure what your saying and honestly do not have the time to address it, no offense intended, just not what this specific site is geared to.
B
Here’s a new thread question– the tattoo parlour owner Danny, gave an interview last year as Danny Colomarino a couple days after Casey was returned home because she visited his tattoo place on the Tuesday (15th I think, same day Cindy found her). But tonight on the NG webpage new video segments, he is interviewed with as Danny Knight. Looks like the same person, new name?? (better for all the press attention, new Anglicized name to replace the longer Italian version?)
Blink will the state offer kc a plea because of all these failed searches?
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Hi Blink,
Always enjoy reading your site and reading others opinions. Per your possible scenario regarding the duct tape. I totally agree with you that there are going to be fingerprints (CMA’S) on the duct tape if not all over it. As far as her putting the duct tape on after the “O” sign, that one I am having a hard time with. Per the Medical examiners report, the duct tape was placed pre-decomposition. From what I have read, decomposition begins 4 minutes post mortem. The “O” sign is either at time of death or shortly after. Now, that would mean immediately upon death, or very shortly afterwards,she started putting that tape over mouth/nose before decomposition began. In order for her to accomplish that, she would have had to have had that tape ready and standing by and started taping her immediately to do that. Therefore, if it was an accident of any kind, how would she be set up with the duct tape so quickly to tape her up? I just don’t see it. It just doesn’t make sense. If it were within 10 minutes of her death, yes, that might make sense. I think you, as well as myself, and others, have been trying to give her the benefit of doubt for a long time. Who wants to believe she could so callously kill such a beautiful, Innocent child on purpose? After reading this duct tape was put on her pre-decomposition (within 4 minutes of her death), It has left no doubt in my mind. This was not an accident.
Nobody is saying it is an accident, and respectfully, your stats on the “prior to decomp” can is off by hours. I believe the stat your referring to has to do with k9’s and the presence of cadaverne and putricine.
B
I was just wondering why someone would have been looking up the gas on the puter. Do you think Casey was using this on Caylee? Just a way for her to party or would the chemicals from the pool from her body leave this in the trunk? I still do not really get the heart? I am under the impression that she really did not think the body would ever be found by placing the sticker. Blink, have they thrown the nanny story away? Just want your opinion of why they are going for the dp. The prosecution has alot more that we just have not heard right? Do you feel they have some sort of proof to get the dp for her or is this some type of strategy they are using? thanks for all info very interesting
# Comment by Riddlemethis — June 23, 2009 @ 5:53 pm
Gypsy,
“still why leave all the baby’s pool garments and toys there?”
If Casey intentionally left them there (planted them) and Chris didn’t know she had left them there at the time…… and Caylee was already gone….possible set up?
I just wanted to respond to this because I’ve heard it several times today on different sites. Some people believe that spending time with his parents that night was a way to feel out the where and whens of leaving the bag with the swimsuit. My problem is this…. If she hid them in an attempt to frame him, and she hid them well, thinking that LE would tear the place apart someday, and they would be the only ones to find them….. my question would be how or what made Chris go looking through his entire house for this, if it wasn’t in plain sight? If he were going to the A’s house to discuss knowledge of Caylee/Casey, there still would be no reason at that point to go looking around his own home for evidence that Casey may have planted. So, maybe someone else can straighten that one out for me.
P.S. If it were an accident, she would have confessed to it by now. The only reason whatsoever, if it were an accident that she didn’t report it, would be the fear of her Mother’s wrath. But, she no longer has that to fear and she has not confessed to any accident. She knows the evidence is pointing very clearly that it wasn’t an accident and that is why she won’t.
http://www.sgm.ac.uk/pubs/micro_today/pdf/110108.pdf
nothing to do with K9’s. Please read.
O no you di int quote Dr. Vass, my forensic mentor to me.. Kidding.
You are 100% that is the LITERAL translation for the beginning of decompostition. I agree. However, What Dr. G is referring to as it relates to rigor preventing the mandible to stay in its pre-deceased position (within reason) and that is approximately 2- 4 hours following death. Don’t forget Dr. Hall puts the tape at post decomp and prior to hair matting. That is a wide, wide berth. But again, hes a Forensic Anthropologist not an ME.
B
Terri & Dee; comments 9 & 28; Dee answered correctly about the appearant storybook pictured at the sceen which turns out to be a yellow sign.
This contains the pic we all saw that looked to be the storybook. Photo #1 and click off the caption to see the “book”.
http://www.wftv.com/slideshow/news/18311441/detail.html
This is the sign: Photo #34;
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/breakingnews/orl-photos-discovery-casey-anthony-021809,0,681810.photogallery
Re: #34 and the letters….B i g T r o u b l e C o m e s S m a l l…. I imagined they are letters from her shirt. I’ve seen children’s clothes with the writing big trouble comes in small packages….
I assumed the letters were fabric and not cut and left at the site on purpose..
Blink I posted the info about the searches then followed it with a question. In your opinion will kc get a plea deal because of all the failed searches? “So u have posted old comments the a’.s have made to the press about the location site her body was found in so I am wondering if you are of the opionion that cindy and others knew where caylee was based on their comments? That was my point. Yiur observations of the autopsy are very ibteresting but still points to rage and murfer. -t has been my obvservation from the beginning that kc is not ruled by fear. Hence I don’t think she was spooked after death if caylees jaw did pop open. Fear is not an emotion that kc experiences in my opinion this was pure rage.
I mean no offense, but I am telling you the first part makes no sense to me and the rest tells me you have not really read here, because my thoughts on this subject matter are widely known on this site.
B
okay, my bad. It was my understanding the tape was put there pre-decomposition. I couldn’t bring myself to read the autopsy report. I figured pre-decomp is pre-decomp. You are saying, Dr. Hall said the tape was put post-decomposition? Now I am confused.
I reread your post and I understand.
Ty, to be fair, I am an analyst/Investigator. When it comes to Medical subject matter, I go back to Medicolegal training, it is definately not my original thought.
B
Hi Blink,
This is O/T, so please forgive me. I just heard a story about a missing girl, Christine Sheddy in Pocamoke, MD. I live in MD and have never heard this name or this story. This girl disappeared on Nov. 13, 2007. I suggested to her family to get in touch with you and maybe you will do a story. They are desperate to get her name and face out there and get some media coverage. Hope you don’t mind. I know you have several large cases you are working on at the moment, just thought that so many people come to this site. It could get her name out there. Please delete, I don’t mind, considering it has nothing to do with the Caylee/Casey case, just wanted to get that message to you.
Thanks for all you do!
D
Nope, I will never delete a legitimate request for help on behalf of the family of a missing person. However, in this case, I am working with Christine’s Mom at her request so very astute of you to mention this case.
B
If she would have said it was an accident , she would have been or could have been charged with the wrongful death of Caylee . I think Caylee and Casey were swing in the pool and Casey got out the Caylee but left the ladder up . I think Casey was on the cell phone or doing something else where she wasn’t watching what Caylee was doing . I think Caylee then went back outside and got in the pool and drawn. Casey may have freaked out and tried to do something to help her . But didn’t call the cops because it would have been all her fault for not watching Caylee close enough . So she did the only thing that could come to her. She didn’t want anyone to think she was a bad mother for not moving the ladder . But she forgot to move it away from the pool before her mom and dad came home . I think she took and put Caylee in a bag and put her somewhere other the the car . Because on the 19th or 20 that’s when George went in the trunk of casey’s car and he didn’t smell anything . The DR. said that it would only take a day for a dead body to start smelling . He would have smelled something by then . I think that she at one point did move caylee to her trunk where she stay for a few day until Casey thought a plan . Then she took her to where she was found .
Wendy,
I can’t find the reference for the Sentinel article Pam of TX referenced yet, because I’m still re-reading the autopsy, and only got to the drop’ point on pge 18 of Stutz’s depo, where it looks like he started to say something which was just dropped out (redacted perhaps). Pam from TX do you have a link for that Sentinel article?
But regardless in your reference to my post why would he necessarily think anything of her leaving stuff there until after Caylee disappeared? Again, didn’t read the article yet to see when he “discoved” he had the stuff, but it wouldn’t have necessarily raised any alarms until Caylee went missing. Right?
Also I think your theory that she drowned is a fine one makes sense that she tossed her in the pool or bathtub w/o her water wings while she was busy texting or whatever would take only seconds and would not have taken any time away from kc busy social activities. In my opinion you could analyze her cell records and stil not be able to find a possible tod by her cell activity. also might explain why no shoes found with caylee and why cindy observed the ladder being out?
well blink guess that comment was direct. I misunderstood your site I thought I had the freedom to ask you questions and state my observatuons so I am sorry if I have offended thee
Not offended, and I meant none to you, simply stating if you dont know the case that well, I would not expect those that do to do the leg work. I say this out of respect for readers who take the time to utilize this site and the hundreds of other resources out there. Its not personal, its an issue of time, and the very precious little I have to then work on other cases that deserve answers for their families. If you notice, the bulk of questions are clarifications of available information, and I applaud that.
Thanks again Blink! You truly are a blessing!
#91 Riddle — I stand here correcting myself…it was cfnews 13…not the Orlando Sentinel. Here’s the old link that I saved:
http://www.cfnews13.com/Features/CaseyAnthony/KeyPlayers/Witnesses.aspx
Scroll down to Chris Stutz (names are in alphabetical order).
Facts correct….wrong press! My apologies. Since Stutz has been on my mind for several months, I can tell you that everything I have read, I never came across anything that said when he discovered this bag of swim gear. My guess was that Baez knows more about this than Chris’ deposition publicly states! IMO of course…
how does it play into things that prosecuters want her trial for the check stealing within two months, interesting, has she plead? she’ll plead guilty right? no trial?
Couple ways, and no, she won’t plead guilty, I will address this in a piece later this week
B
Brenda in VA; comment 58; This links to a listing of case records. On the far left column look down at the bottom 3rd for the jail visitations. The earliest one listed for Lee there, is July 25; is that the one you want?
http://www.wftv.com/news/17489435/detail.html
oh i get it, this susses out the ugly coping,she has to plead not guilty by ugly coping,to later use the ugly coping in the murder trial.
Blink, Just a quick question. How long can they legally “drag” this out until trial? How can the witnesses be expected to remember details after a substantial length of time? Even the O. J. Simpson trial, that had two victims, was held just a little over a year after the murder. If Casey does except a plea, when will this happen? I’m sorry, I know that turned out to be more than one quick question, but I am so fascinated by your ability……….I just want to keep asking you question, after question, after question. Thanks
Okay…my heads buzzing on a couple things.
1) RE: the shorts. IDK (my turn), Anyone else notice they do not use the wording “decomposition” regarding the deterioration of any other inanimate objects found except those shorts. “partially decomposed multi striped shorts”…..and then “the shorts have multiple irregular defects consistent with decomposition. They are also stained with dirt and slight vegetative material attached.” Why use this terminology only for the shorts??? Uhm….Blink maybe I’m getting warm as to your theory of July 3. It would be extremely incriminating however.
2) The toxicology mentions everything, including hair tested negative for volatiles. Then however they go on to mention further tests for drugs etc, and everything BUT the hair is mentioned. Also states in summary at the end they cannot rule drugs out. Tells me it’s not all back yet, but further report pending is not mentioned? I did see msm (ha) report hair was cleared of drugs, and thought hair went to the FBI, but don’t remember seeing anything reported back. What’s the deal with that?
http://www.wftv.com/pdf/19801861/detail.html
3) Finally, I don’t understand why LE would redact something from Stutz’s statement (or anyone else’s) if Baez gets it unredacted anyway?? What’s the point? IDGI?
?????? making my head spin. Okay…enough for one night. And B. TY for clearing up previous ?.
Point is the primary exclusion to the sunshine laws protect the right to a fair trial. Fairly sizable discretion.
B
ps. Good observation on the shorts, also in contrast look at George’s behavior when they served the warrant 12/19. If your grandaughter was found dead, and you truly believed someone other than your kid was responsible, wouldnt you give them anything and everything to help prove that? I have the biggest fear that the example to our society this family is supposed to be will be lost on so many because of their hatred for them- that’s not fair to Caylee’s memory.
B
I’ve never posted here before, although I do read on here alot. I just wanted to kinda chime in about some things…
1. A deceased 2 1/2 year old is extremely heavy. I know this because my 2 1/2 year old passed away 11 years ago and we held her for a long time in the hospital afterwards. Whenever other family would hold her it would take 2 of us to hand her to them. Casey is about my size, and let me tell you, my child was so very heavy. So if you put that knowledge in with these particular circumstances, I can’t see Casey jumping over a fence or even tossing over a fence. I CAN see her struggling to place the baby in the trunk. I CAN see those bags tearing, because to lift over the trunk latch…and that would be the explanation for the paper towels. And that would explain the MULTIPLE bags used. IMO.
2. The “O” thing…okay the only way I know how to put this is something to this effect…the jaw does “flop”. It was disturbing to me when the nurses gave me my daughter to hold after the fact…I held her mouth closed (very gently mind you) so I would not see that or hear the sounds the tongue makes…it is still a vivid memory even to this day. So maybe that is the reason for the duct tape. I know that rigor can be “held” off with heat, to a degree. They had my child under heating lamps for awhile…I think they pronounced her at 7pm and I didn’t let the funeral home take her until 1am. Because of the heat lamps it allowed for the muscles to stay relaxed. I asked about it. I kid you not, I did…the thought of my child going stiff was more than I could handle at the time and that was the reason they left the heat lamps on. So yea, she could have put the tape on there several hours AFTER the moment of death but BEFORE the rigor set it. I also don’t remember her having any particular smell….but I didn’t trapse around town with my child in the trunk of my car either.
I have no empathy for Casey Anthony. None. She took her child’s life, and there are so many of us out there who’ve had to experience that through no fault of our own….and there are plenty of families who would have willingly taken that baby and given her a home!
Ma’am, my heart breaks for the loss you suffered. I lost my niece 5 years ago and I can tell you from experience I learned something about myself I did not realize. I was there, and until a poster reminded me about the “o” effect, I had completely blocked out almost everything about the way she looked when she passed. As ridiculous as it sounds today, given the vicious toll her cancer and treatment took on her appearance, in retrospect, the way her mouth “mutatated” instantly was the most horrific. If I try to transfer just the experience of that visual to a nutjob that just killed her baby, I have to say I can totally see her applying that duct tape to “fix her”, to mask that death took her.
B
Denise- It was very noble of you to refer the parents of Christine Sheddy/missing persons case in Pocamoke, MD to Blink, for help with gaining public attention and assistance with the case. We’re all obliged to spread the word and help in any way we can. Thank you Denise, for stepping up and taking initiative to get help to the Sheddy family. You are a true advocate and a great American.
Absolutely, I agree, and just to acknowledge there is another woman by the name of Chris who is tireless in her efforts to asisst Lyn, Christine’s Mom seek justice for her daughter.
Dang it, Maybe? the ladders were planted there?
That is my opinion, that the ladders were set up the day she buried her under the playhouse. I truly am wondering if she did not find out George was changing jobs and they were both going to be off for a week and she did some howework to find out that Caylee would not be decomposed enough by then and she would not be able to get away with it. Or she had simply avoided the inevitable and found out about the yardwork plans. I know I sound like a broken record, but they found something on 7/3, of that I am positive. I had a conversation with a colleague yesterday and in the middle of it I said- Wouldnt it be wonderful if these people would just tell the truth so we can honor this little girl’s memory instead of spending all our time making sure her family does not get away with this? This little girl is all of our daughter we could not protect in life, that we avenge now.
B
I have a couple comments and questions.
1. I have always wondered if she drowned accidentally and Casey freaked and called her parents. If I remember correctly there was a flutter of calls made on this day. Then maybe she got angry that her parents didnt answer their phones and took matters into her own hands. She put the tape on and made it look like a kidnapping. A part of me feels this is what happened but then I also feel she wanted to be free and she feared her boyfriend was going to dump her because he did not want a kid….so she murdered her.
2. I do recall Leonard Padilla saying she was over heard saying “they haven’t even found her clothes yet”.
3. There is something else I have wondered for some time now. WHen Casey called 911 because of the protestors outside the home she mentions the home has a surveillance camera. She tells the 911 operator that the media is catching it on video ….as well as their home surveillance camera. Now I have always wondered if that surveillance camera really exists and if so…was it installed due to the protestors? or have they always had home surveillance? It really interests me because I have a surveillance camera pointed at my pool. This may sound way out there but could grandparents have caught her? and were trying to get her to tell them where the body was?
4. Leonard Padilla mentioned that GA told a friend he was tired of the lie he was living and that GA charged at Casey demanding to know where his grand daughter was. I feel that they knew she was gone and were trying to find her body behind the scenes. Correct me if I am wrong but I dont see them on television asking for help locating Zanny.
OCSO supplied those cameras if you can believe it, it was cheaper than stationing a cop there 24/7 and they did need a deterrent. Leonard is telling the truth. I think the evening before the Grand Jury was the last time anyone had an opportunity to talk some sense into George telling the truth. The next day, he was alone again with Cindy, ’nuff said.
B
Just to clarify, the t-shirt said “Big Trouble Comes in Small Packages.” Item Q99 on page 3744 of discovery comprises the word strips “packages” and “in.” Further, footnote 1 on page 5 of OSCO’s Supplemental Report (page 3378 of discovery) says the word “packages” was found where the bags were recovered.
this thought just popped in my head- maybe KC killed Caylee in a rage after the fight with Cindy and then came back to the house and staged the ladder of the pool being down so that if she got caught later, she could say she drowned and she panicked at the thought of cindy thinking she was a bad mom (and the neverending wrath)? it doesn’t explain the duct tape though.. so many what ifs… my head is spinning! It’s ok if you don’t post this Blink I just was throwing it out there.
Thanks for all you do!
Yep, I think she will try.
B
Sorry blink I have been trying to read as much as is available I’m clearly no super sleuth like you all but God loves a trier. I was referring to Pam’s disclosure about Chris Stutz having Caylee’s swim wear which you said you were saving. I suppose I was being cheeky and asking for a bit more, anyways apols will stick to reading from now on.
Not at all, just wanted to be honest, and not just with you, so if I dont respond to a comment folks know why and arent left hanging. There are alot of generous readers on here usually willing to fill in the blanks though.
B
BTW I am in the UK so not really typing this at 5.25 a.m. :0)
Blink….Awesome job. People like me….need you to help keep it straight.
Interesting about the shorts. I have been thinking lately about the comment the guy “Chris” made about seeing KC jogging along chickasaw on July 15th. He texted her and asked if it were her and she said no. Could it have been her and she went back there? I know she was trying to avoid her parents seeing her so that is another problem with the theory.
I do believe it was her. I also believe Cindy and George are full of caca that they did not know her car had been impounded until that day.
B
If I remember correctly, didn’t the defense file something that said KC “may” have accidentally given the baby something that caused her death?
or to that effect…..and…how exactly can she blame her parents for murder (as mentioned a possible defense)when her story all along is that the “nanny” took her…
Blink you rock
TY, she can say anything she wants in her defense, thats what I think people are having a hard time with, doesnt mean it will work and I dont think it will
B
George used that Amscot, there was a reference to it by one of the LE interviews, someone ran into George there, and they had a chat, or he gave George a ride home. George might have used the Amscot during the time the car was there if he had a paycheque to cash at the end of June (Friday 27th), surely he would notice the car.
BTW, Google Maps ‘Street View’ is useful– can see exactly what motorists see driving past that Amscot, the Casey ‘parking place’ visible beside the dumpster, not hidden in behind somewhere).
Kleat I am shocked at no link for you (lol). You read that here. Keith Williams interview.
B
Blink, I took the pre-decomp tape placement to mean within minutes of death or prior to. Are you in contact with the Dr. G? Would you be able to ask her to clarify that finding?
Indirectly yes, I am. But no, she would not be able to answer any ex parte communication on the finding. I have posted on this before, I am familiar with her work, and in my opinion if it were that tight of a window, she would have presented assumptions or possibilities. If you review Dr. Hall, he states pre decomp and before hair matted underneath the skull, therefore I am speculating their is no evidence to make that leap except whatever corroberators should be there that aren’t.
B
Thx. Annals…I’m pretty sure that is it, but since it’s video/not transcript, will have to watch during lunch…at work and doing a risk assessment on a new customer’s system. It’s pretty bad and needs full attention, you know how it is….work does get in the way of fun ;>)
Would the defense have something that Casey ‘collected’ at Stutz’s place, she could have used the bathroom, got into his room and found something to plant, then the bag of pool stuff. The comment by Casey ‘they haven’t even found her clothes yet’ is really strange. She didn’t give clothes to the Nanny, and if so, why would she say something that tells how she knows ‘ that there were ‘clothes to be found’ separate from the child unless she knows where clothes are, separate from the child.
Could Casey have planted another bag of clothes with someone or was she talking about the ‘pool stuff’ left with Stutz? (if LE redacted Stutz’s interview because he was suspect as per Casey, then there might be another Casey suspect with interviews that were not released at all, like some of Jesse’s interviews and maybe another planted bag of clothes that she is referring to). Where do the cell phone pings put Casey at 9-9:30 on July 15th– I better try to find that unless someone knows off hand.
I have a theory I think the laundry bag came from someone’s house she was thinking about framing by then, hint hint.
It does NOT match the one at the A’s, and LE did not take any others.
B
oh oh… got caught on the no link thing from Blink!! Darned if I can remember– should be keeping a file binder!! (and now I have to go look– OOPS too late, THANKS blink!! You are too kind!! I did remember something about them praying while driving George home. Keith Williams…. Keith Williams… I will try to remember that and re-read).
I CAN, however, give you a Google Map ’street view’ link fwiw!!!
(ok, no one ask me to post it… j/k)
Well, thanks Blink. I guess she wouldn’t be able to discuss this with anyone not sanctioned by the court, would she? Because of the impending capital murder trial.
BTW, what is your opinion of the prosecutor’s decision to seek the death penalty? Please address the opinions expressed here & elsewhere that this was done to force a plea. Would a prosecutor resort to this kind of tactic without having the evidence to prove their case? I suspect there is much more evidence than contained in the autopsy and other reports that have already been released.
HMMM>>>>>>> for anyone who is keeping up with the posts and the additions to posts, I suspect that Blink just let a BIG clue drop!!!!!
And now, who bought that laundry bag, and from where, Target? And when, and on whose ‘credit card’……. I wondered if Casey had bought a third laundry bag, one to replace the Anthony home laundry bag she ‘used’. But now, maybe she bought one for Caylee’s clothes… if a child was with a nanny, it would make sense to have a laundry bag for the clothes she’d use while with the nanny.
Pointing the finger at someone, planting evidence shows premeditation, trying to get someone else involved, implies guilt of something other than an accident.
Not if it was taken or purchased after the fact
B
Blink, so we are straight– the laundry bag we are talking about as possibly containing ‘clothes’, is the one from someone else’s house? Who would have a fancy laundry bag like that– not likely a ’student’ or a military guy, they’d have a pillow case or duffle bag. It would be from someone with a ‘home’, like Stutz’s parents, or … someone Casey might have bought a laundry bag for in the past who she wanted to make a home with, like Jesse.
Or are you saying that the laundry bag style (’can’ crushable style) as pictured as the one used to swaddle the baby, did not come at all from the Anthony home?…. that’s a ‘bombshell’ (oops, sorry… that’s someone else’s term!! and I don’t want you to start calling each and every poster here, ‘DEAR’– gawd forbid!)
B-
I agree with some of the others posts that Caylee was not wearing the shorts. Probably just the swimming pull ups. If Casey had grabbed some clothing on her way out after arguing with Cindy she probably never put the shorts back on Caylee. And as far as them being in better condition; if they were put in the plastic bag along with Caylee’s other belongings (probably everything that belonged to Caylee that was in the trunk) then they may have remained within the plastic bags longer and had less exposure to the elements. I really do not see Casey going back to the swamp where she left Caylee , “Out of site out of mind”
Casey was to busy believing and living the nanny lie.
BTW- I will not waiver on the D/P for Casey. I am amazed by so many here that seem to be, I hope that this isn’t an example of things to come with a jury.
I dont think I saw anyone waivering. I think this girl and her imbecile parents are going to march her right onto death row with their arrogance. Couldnt happen to a nicer girl
B
Oh… Stutz said Casey told her in May, she couldn’t get her car to start…. but the interviewer does not ask if Stutz went to help see if he could look under the hood to help her… maybe get in and try to start it first… put fingerprints on places… inside and out. Hmm… guys do that for girls… when they hint their car isn’t running right. At least it would be an obvious question for LE to ask as Casey was always telling people her car needed work done on it, wasn’t starting, wasn’t indicating gas levels properly, brakes are worn, tires going flat.
(him… sorry, told ‘him’)
Brenda in VA; #113. You’re welcome and now that I think about it, that would be the 1st visit Lee made in jail. The 1st person to visit casey was Patrick Bourgais - July 24 (the random guy from Casey’s highschool who she did not remember knowing). So the visits from Lee and C & G on the 25th would be the 1st family visits.
Lee is so earnest and careful and trying to be precise in that 1st visit. He had already done a lot of info tracking by the 25th. Looking at part 1 last night, it seemed to me that at moments Casey looked overwhelmed by Lee’s questions and need to know; whereas her intensions were to keep things vague.
Yes, but your forgetting the first 2 SCHEDULED visits that did not take place ..
MMMMUUUHHHAAA
B
Phew! Blink, the laundry bag was from somewhere other than the Anthony home? Either taken from the Stutz home or Casey purchased an exact replica of theirs after Caylee was dead. My God, no wonder the prosecutor filed for the death penalty. Why would Casey concoct “the nanny took her” story or plant “red herrings” like the laundry bag if she was only guilty of the negligent, accidental death of Caylee?
These acts demonstrate consciousness of wrongdoing; i.e., she intentionally murdered Caylee. Everything she’s said or done since committing this horrific crime has been done to protect herself from prosecution and direct blame elsewhere. And she did a very bad job of it. She is not only a murderer, she’s an imbecile.
Her parents’ (George & Cindy) behavior has been atrocious and appallingly lacking in a search for justice for the victim. I think they’ve simply lost their way and descended into madness. I hope they recover from some of this before the trial.
The grieving period lasts 2 to 3 years before some sense of normalcy returns after the sudden death of a loved one. I am not sure this applies when that loved one is an innocent, adored toddler killed by another loved one. But hopefully, by the time the trial starts, George & Cindy Anthony will have come to grips with what’s happened enough to think rationally and clearly.
My hope is that they will realize that they have a duty to seek justice for Caylee and Casey be damned. Right now, they are still processing all this and are in so much pain that they’re not making any sense. They’re mad at the world. It will pass when they accept the truth. I hope it comes in time for them to help get justice for Caylee.
Back in January there was a statement on WESH saying that a source close to the investigation said this about Lee; We kind of treat him seperately. He knows what he has done.
I found the Scared Monkeys article on this and don’t know how seriously to take it since it is 2nd hand info. However, in the comments on the SM piece, Blink states; July 3, mark my words.
http://scaredmonkeys.com/2009/01/26/lee-anthony-he-knows-what-he-has-done-in-the-casey-of-caylee-anthony/#comments
Blink, that seemed so cryptic to me at the time, and I had forgotten it until I saw it again, just now.
Geez, see what I mean about people missing nothing around here. My thoughts on that go back to the second I saw Jesse Grunds phone records (I think his were released first) and the shower BS and the if my parents call you, blah blah. They knew or were scared to “know” then. The Zeinda story was born that day. They just did not actually believe her until they smelled the car.
B
Blink — the laundry bag does match in that it is the same type and manufacturer as the rectangular bags at the A’s. Anthony Lazaro stated he doesn’t remember any laundry bags, so it most likely did not come from his house. JG? Could very well be, although we haven’t seen any testimony from Jesse about anything being taken from his apartment. Is it too much to hope for that receipts show this bag was purchased by Casey after June 15th?!?!
Blink, If there is something I can do about the Pocomoke case, let me know. It’s just down the road a piece, as we say around here. Also, I performed the wedding ceremony of one of the lead officers.
Sister, I may call on you after I get a chance to get a full file on it. I appreciate the offer.
B
blink: is there a reason why Casey can’t simply plead to the check charges and avoid the testimony in that trial? Did she buy something on the checks or credit cards that she doesn’t want to come out and admit to? Also, with this extra bag of clothes stuff, I am reminded of the clothes etc Keith Williams found. Were those also in a laundry bag inside a black plastic bag? More questions: but I bet if I wait patiently they will be answered.
Blink - I have never posted here - really don’t post very much. I just wanted to say thank you for all the great insight and information. This is the best site I have seen on this subject. Very informative. I strongly agree that this girl and her imbecile parents will get her what she so deserves, riding on their arrogance. What a sad, sad story…
Thank you and I hope to post again.
Welcome and thank you
B
I agree with #90. I think Caylee drowned by accident while Casey was supposed to be watching her but wasn’t paying attention to her. I think when Casey found Caylee she freaked and that’s when she made all those outgoing calls in a row to Cindy and George to ask them what to do. When they didn’t answer I think she had a chance to realize how Cindy would hold this over her head and tell her every day for the rest of her life what a terrible mother she was so that’s when Casey decided to duct tape the mouth so she could use the Nanny kidnapping story. Most likely hid the body in the yard somewhere for a couple of days (that’s why the dogs hit there) and then moved the body after she came up with a plan (like the day the neighbor saw her back her car into the drive way up to the garage)
Next chance, I’m going to go through the potential Casey-suspect-set up timelines to see who else she visited and when. Jesse and the early morning ’shower’ request of course, the Casey visit to Stutz at his home for a couple hours on 16th, or 17th or 18th of June (hope he could narrow that better for LE), and who else could she have nabbed a laundry bag from. Of course, Amy, Tony… who else did she get near enough to her car, who did she call from jail, who don’t we know, that she texted, emailed or called from some family or friend supplied cell phone or other device.
Need to figure out how exactly the pool-duds ended up with Stutz and when– ‘assume’ this was from some past visit with Caylee otherwise, how would they get left there with him– had to be a story for that, without Caylee, to explain why they were there, unless they were planted by Casey on her mid-June visit to be found by Stutz later, and have him think it was from a past Caylee swim visit. So he’d probably handle the swim duds by looking in the bag or putting them in a bag, and then he’d take the swim things back to Cindy, right into the hands of the devil plan.
If this has been asked and answered before, please don’t flog me, Blink….. But do you think/know if le, attorneys and/or the A’s ever visit your site? Do you think LE views it has a helpful tool? Attorneys? My bf, who is an attorney, said he wished he had a resource like this when it came to some of his trials…..
LOL, no flogging for you!! Yes, every one of them reads here. As a matter of fact, as an example, when the first Keith Williams interview was posted, within one hour he received a call from Craig Rivera, and then George Anthony and Jose Baez. I swear that is NO exaggeration. There’s more, but lets leave it at that for now.
B
kyrasmommy, remember how freaking SMUG Scott Peterson was? They did have alot of circumstantial evidence but NOTHING like the treasure trove they have on Casey. I think she’s getting DP. Even if I’m wrong, I cannot fathom less than life in prison. Either suits me.
Blink: Forgive me if I am asking a dumb question, but I have followed this case from day one and have been reading your post since you starting reporting on Caylee. I have been able to follow most of everything you have stated, but there is ONE thing I am not getting. The “July 3rd, mark my words” in comment 125 above. What does that date have to do with Lee Anthony being treated different because he knows what he has done? Am I missing something here?
Blink, you’ve heard of KISS? Keep it simple stupid.
Casey killed Caylee by whatever means to live the “Bella Vita” with her new lover, Tony. Even if she’d surrendered custody of Caylee to her parents, she’d have never been able to keep Tony. Tony didn’t want her ready-made family. But he probably wouldn’t have taken Casey the mother away from her child, either.
The only way Casey could have Tony was for there to be no more Caylee.
KISS — This whole atrocious crime is about Casey wanting Tony.
And as a bonus, Casey got to inflict maximum pain and suffering on her beleaguered parents.
dddeerma…Casey can plead guilty on that all day long and avoid speaking about stealing her “friend’s” checks, but if LE is going to use this evidence at the murder 1 trial, makes no difference, That stuff will be coming out. So glad she cannot get away from what she’s done on that note.
annals…I do remember them saying Lee knew what he did. You and the other posters sure bring alot back to mind from the early days of the investigation. I followed like a hawk and then backed off for a time..the I found BLINK and the most amazing posters on any site I’ve surfed…not making that up! Hooked all over again :>)
Hi Blink,
This is my first time posting and I must say I am completely captivated by the information shared here. I have been following this tragic case since its inception (even tho I live in Arizona), and found information here that I was unaware of. Yes, I believe poor Caylee was murdered by her psycho, narcissistic mother, but definitely think it was in a fit of rage to ‘get even’ w/her mother after the argument they had. If Lee is correct when he stated that Cindy tried to choke Casey, that would have put Casey over the edge, causing her to retaliate in the most horrific way. If she were overtaken by “narcissistic rage”, she would have been able to commit murder w/o giving it a second thought. I believe that Cindy recognizes (and feels guilt) over the fact that her actions during that argument, is what prompted Casey to kill Caylee. The guilt is what is causing her whacky behavior trying to cover up for Casey. As for the shorts being discussed…I recall GA stating that the last time he saw Caylee, she was wearing the shirt with the letters and striped shorts. I cannot recall who was interviewing him at the time. Also, he stated that he made breakfast for Caylee on 6/16 and that was the last time he saw her. Then Leonard P. stated on NG that G was lying, bc the last time he actually saw her was the night before, since that was when the argument w/Cindy took place, and Casey (with Caylee) stormed out of the house. Quite frankly, I cannot imagine going back to the ‘dump’ site to leave a pair of shorts or anything else. After committing such a heinous act while in a rage is one thing, but after the rage has passed, it is inconceivable to me that the rational mind could deal with the realization of the act by going back to face the deed. This seems especially true since everyone has agreed that Casey always seemed like a good mother. On the flip side of that theory, is the seemingly premeditated thought of murder, by her computer searches for neck-breaking, chloroform, etc. That was long before the argument with Cindy. If, indeed, this was premeditated, I have also wonder if the video we have repeatedly seen of C playing in the living area with Caylee bouncing on her knees (which was filmed in May), could have been purposely staged/taped to show what a wonderful mother she was, and how much she enjoyed her child. Of course, the purpose would have been to cast doubt on any possibility of her ability to hurt her beloved child, should she go through with her plan to kill her and be a person of interest. Keep up the good work Blink, and I will now be an avid follower ;0). Thanks for all the work you do.
Sandy
Scottsdale, AZ
Whoa, Cutie, thank you for your kind words, but all I did was ask Blink to look into it if she had time. Does not make me a great American, but I appreciate you saying so. I was just appalled that I live in Glen Burnie and this case is not far and I had heard NOTHING! Made me sick! I have a bit of a unrealistic fear of my child going missing. I’m a little obsessed about it, so when I hear a story like this and no one knows about it, I just think, how can that be? This poor mother! I’m glad Lynn has a team working with her, I hope she gets answers and soon.
On the Caylee/Casey case, I just have to ask if anyone remembers Jesse saying that he felt that Casey was going to try and frame him when she showed up to use the shower or bathroom or whatever it was? I wonder also if that laundry bag came from any other house but the A’s, would that person see it, notice it was gone and come forward? That would be amazing.
Thanks,
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#49 OK ,if you think that(i did), dont you think cindy would’ve thought that,and george ,and lee,and police(yuri and ja did),and baez,and state.why would the state let a common pool accident,(and a scared overly creative lying mom) rise to this level (especially when they put the death penalty back on after the found the swimmies)it would have been resolved a long time ago (casey and the a’s may be imbeciles,but the fbi is in on this,i dont think they’d let fl. make them look like inept.) http://www.docstoc.com/docs/6036330/2008-0724-Police-Interview-George-Anthony . re read this interview george doesnt think it was an accident(her own father).do you think the police really couldntve figured that out.(that she was lying about an accident )am i over reading into this interview ? july 24th george doesnt come up with accident the police do.george comes up with murder
i meant that to be in response to #130 not #49
Just wanted to say how bad-ass you are, Blink. Thank you (and the other contributing posters) for everything you do. My husband thinks I’m obsessed with this case, and I guess I am. I just hope that Casey is punished for all this, and everyone else who contributed to covering up / lying about poor Caylee.
Rock on, sister.
Now that’s a first. TY
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Denise, I live in the Baltimore area too. I never heard of that case either, until today. I’ll have to look more into the news archives, but I honestly don’t remember anything being reported on it. Strange.
Blink, I just realized with that KISS phrase, I may have given you the impression I was calling you stupid. I was NOT, NOT, NOT!!! Please forgive me! It’s just a saying in business.
O not at all, I am familiar with Og Mandino, np
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Blink my first time posting but have been reading for months. I like how this site is just the right mix of solid information (lots of it unique and not reported by MSM) and smart speculation without the usual name calling of the victims and/or suspects. Your access to information and ability to see it in ways I would never have thought of keep me coming back here again and again. Thanks for keepin’ it classy. One question I have is, if the Anthony’s found something on the 3rd which was a ‘game-changer’ - do you think Lee is in on it? I just cannot figure him out. At first he seemed to genuinely want to find justice for his niece and then after the bizarre behavior at Caylee’s service I am just confused. I’m confused about George for exactly the same kinds of reasons. Does Cindy have THAT much influence on everybody in that family? Does that make her the real sick one in this whole circus? Thx
Yes and Yes
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Hi Blink, You mention July 3rd was when the Anthony’s found “something” in their back yard to place panic, I also think that too. I believe by what I have read, that was also the day Lee Anthony went looking for Casey Anthony at some bar&grill when KC actually got a heads up and took off before Lee got there. It was also the day that Cindy Anthony wrote on My space about “My Caylee is Missing”. I really believe Cindy called Lee very upset and told Lee about their “findings” in the yard because it was the “only” that I can remember reading about, that someone from the Anthony family actually physically went looking for KC and Caylee. Blink, I just find it so amazing how considering the small patch of location that KC actually frequented in Orlando that not one of the Ant’s ever came in contact with her during those infamous 31 days. I cannot seem to find the court hearing of Cindy Anthony talking about hearing KC and Caylee behind a closed door on the morning of June 16th but I wish someone at the hearing had asked Cindy if she had tucked Caylee in the night before on June 15th, since Cindy claims nothing out of the ordinary happened that night(which I don’t believe, but actually a huge fight took place) but actually very little is mentioned on that date. IMO, Cindy Anthony is guilt ridden about that fight, but obviously not enough to fight for Caylee’s justice.
JUSTICE FOR CAYLEE!!!
I don’t have a concrete theory myself but just wanted to put a few thoughts out there. I have believed from the start that Casey would try to somehow point the finger at one or both of her parents. One main reason I feel this way is because IMHO Caylee was murdered because of Casey’s hatred for them. I think it was more this hatred than the ‘work’ of taking care of her, etc. Casey was already doing pretty much what she wanted to do. Also, I believe that it’s Casey that doesn’t want her parents to visit…don’t believe it has anything to do with being recorded or any nonsense the Anthonys present. One last thing and I apologize if you’ve written your thoughts on this and I haven’t seen them. I plan to go back and read alot of what’s come before this post…but…I am so curious about Mark Hawkins transcript with LE. It has never been released and I find that significant. Do you? I’ve always that that he was Casey’s fallback plan…she wanted to go to him in California and just go on as if nothing had happened. Never tell her parents, never go back..just start a new life and never look back.
Any comments would be appreciated. It feels nice to be able to get some feedback on these thoughts I’ve had.
Again, thank you for your time.
Hi Charlotte; #134; When I searched to find who said; ‘We kind of treat him seperately[Lee]. He knows what he has done.’; I did so to verify my (incorrect) memory that Yuri Melich said it. I ended up looking at the Scared Monkeys site (and found out that it was not YM, but an inside source) and while there I browsed the comments. That’s when I saw and remembered Blink’s “July 3rd, mark my words” comment. I was amused to see that Blink was focused on that date back in January and kind of “bookmarked” it’s importance back then.
http://scaredmonkeys.com/2009/01/26/lee-anthony-he-knows-what-he-has-done-in-the-casey-of-caylee-anthony/#comments
Her remark was in the context of the other comments preceeding her’s wherein folks were speculating about what the family knew and when.
Thanks Anna, it is on record at WS as early as October. Remember “they have always been very close, Lee could always get her to admit things..” There are a few things that never passed my smell test from day one, some I rejected without a valid reason other than body language and delivery. I say this not to toot a horn, but because I think sometimes in analysis we tend to “overprocess” the information. I know I have been guilty of it, but for whatever reasons the things I believed from day one are still the same and have not wavered. I think that means I am not smarter than anyone else, and neither are they.
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To the posters who have lost their children and to Blink for the loss of your niece- may God bring you peace. I have lost loved ones in my life but never a child….God forbid.Our community just lost a beautiful 6 year old to cancer in May whom I had the pleasure of knowing- it was bad enough, but still not my own child. Blink thanks for taking the time to teach us all. I have followed this case, but I tend to forget things- I know you are busy but maybe one of the many bright posters can answer me. I am confused with the time line. I thought Caylee was murdered late night on the 15th or early morning on the 16th. Concerning the Drowning theory;was George and Cindy not home on the 15th? If this happened on the 16th it would’ve had to happen after George left for work. The 15th would’ve had to happen in the evening….wouldn’t George or Cindy have known if Caylee had drowned when they were home? Do I need to go re-read some of these posts? Forgive me my lack of retention…….
if the state put the death penalty back on as a tactic(if defense wants to say)( with slim easily refutable evidence)they upped the anti when they motioned for dp attorney disclosure,with andre lyon solidly onboard ,i beleive (could be wrong)she’s too pro to be used ,she’s there to do her job,(get life instead of dp)means there’s a job to be done,or rumors of plea bargins within two weeks.
What led Blink, very very very first time, to take the definite position of ’something was found’ on the 3rd, not the 2nd at midnight, not the early morning sleepless daylight hours of early on the 4th, but actually nailing her observation down to the 3rd………… ie: “Mark my words, 3rd”
Could Blink have spoken to a primary source who knew something, a neighbour perhaps, someone who heard some excited utterances, or someone who got a call from Cindy or George or Lee, who let something slip, that points to something revealed that day…. can only guess… some sources might remain protected by a reporter with high ethical standards and we may never know who if it was a ‘who’.
And now that we know Lee was in on the ‘find’ information according to Blink, was what Lee ‘did’ (LE saying ‘he knows what he’s done’) related to ‘the find’ at all? Or was this something ‘else’ he did, like tell Mallory to hot foot it over to the Anthony’s house to ‘do something’ before the police arrived with Search Warrant? Why was Mallory sent there, not a co-incidence, to be sure.
Please help me….I never heard the Anthonys found anything significant in their yard on the 3rd. What did they do with this information did they tell LE about it after June 16th?
Riddle, since the shorts are made of 100% organic matter (cotten). Wouldn’t they appropriately be referred to as being in a state of decomposition? This opposed to the diaper materials collected which would not technically decompose for 10-12 years. This is my assumption…
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Of course, this makes it seem even less likely that the shorts could be in such good shape - when compared to other matter - after so much time.
Blink…whatever became of those two boys that found something tied to the end of a stick buried in the muck…did I remember that correctly. I haven’t been able to find out anymore about that.
I know the accidental drowning isn’t your theory…..just some theories mentioned on this site
i am rooting that the state of fla. is on top of it, smarter than would could even believe,(even if it pleds out)orlando needs a vote of confidence in their state
I’m having a little trouble with the theory that Casey “buried” Caylee under the playhouse. Post #103. We owned that exact playhouse when my girls were little (gave it away 6 years ago)…and although it is roomy for kids, it is not big enough for adult to get in with a shovel and dig. So imo she would have had to moved the playhouse and then moved it back (a little difficult, but not impossible for her do by herself). Second…as previously posted, this playhouse does come with a floor. However, I saw a photo of Caylee in it and could see the pavered floor George must have made for it. So Casey would have had to move the playhouse; take out several pavers (not easy to do, especially if they have been there awhile; dug a hole; covered her up; replaced the pavers and then moved the playhouse back onto the pavered floor. That would have been ALOT of work, something I just can’t see Casey doing, for the life of me. I’m thinking it is more likely that she just laid the baby inside the playhouse, one last time so to speak…until she could figure out what to do next. I suppose she could have had help and perhaps this is what the grandparents found on July 3rd, but that would mean she had an accomplice? Anybody…thoughts???
That is a possibility I have toyed with, but review the footage of the forensic team at the scene again, They moved it and dug underneath it, I have to believe for that reason.
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Whoops…I meant does NOT come with a floor…sorry!
And then she would have had to do it all over again to get the body out and take Caylee to the woods. Forgot to add that to my previous post, sorry for the muliple comments.
Okay guys, this is making me crazy. Can someone PLEASE help me here. I know I asked this a little bit ago, but it is still making me nuts.
Blink: Forgive me if I am asking a dumb question, but I have followed this case from day one and have been reading your post since you starting reporting on Caylee. I have been able to follow most of everything you have stated, but there is ONE thing I am not getting. The “July 3rd, mark my words” in comment 125 above. What does that date have to do with Lee Anthony being treated different because he knows what he has done? Am I missing something here?
Can someone give me some guidance here?
Not dumb. I believe Lee is responsible for deleting Casey’s computer and accounts, and possibly “other”, and he was aware of what was found at the house to necessitate him and Cindy stalking Casey that day and weekend.
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In jail visit log..it seems Will Waters went to visit Casey on 7/29/08 at 7pm and then Stephanie Kostakis on 8/03/09 at 9pm?? Do we know if Casey denied those visits or were they just not released?? Found it odd since Stephanie Kostakis interview never released either….
Neither took place, she denied both. But very good observation. Have you researched Stephanie’s relevance?
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lori, hi , i’ll comment on your comment since ya asked, doesnt every runaway want to runaway to california,she had no where to live(i guess she decided she didnt live at home anymore,(couldnt go back?) (tony was toying with the idea of not going back,while he was in new york)(he was looking for a new appartment with guys)tony mentions to le(as per his police interview available docstoc)when they ask if there’s anything else odd or interesting he like to add and he says, yeah she was claiming to become a singer ,she says that can seriously sing good,tony finds this odd to this case.she was talking to mark hawkins at tony’s apartment(cell phone ping evidence)i live in hollywood inclined to think .narcissim + singer (fantasy)+ california.i know its a jump ,but it wouldnt be new.
Thinking of the playhouse and the pavers. If Casey moved the playhouse, dug up and moved the pavers, dug a hole big enough for Caylee, replaced some (not all) of the dirt, replaced the pavers and then replaced the playhouse . . . what did she do with the extra soil? Also, she would have HAD to use a shovel which appeared unused. I suppose the shovel could have been cleaned however. Also, Casey would have been filthy from all of that work. Do you suppose she used the pool to clean herself up and that’s why the ladder was moved?
After all of that, she would have had to repeat the same exercise all over again in order to move Caylee to the trunk of her car.
By that time, the yard would have been obviously disturbed. There’s no way G&C would not have noticed that the dirt, pavers and playhouse weren’t the way they were before. Plus the ladder being moved. IMO they put 2+2 together and didn’t necessarily need to ‘find’ anything other than that to come to some scary conclusions. Add the fact that Casey had not returned home for additional clothes, food, toys for Caylee for way too long and well it doesn’t take a rocket scientist to get the imagination going. I think it was a gradual realization for them. It wasn’t just one thing and they didn’t want to believe it but the overwhelming evidence just built up.
yeah Susan #139…and do not forget Cindy decrying to Casey “what have you done?” that day she realized Caylee was gone. I think under such pressure, that was the most truthful thing Cindy has expressed about her true understanding of what her daughter was capable of!
You know what? Neither my husband or I would commit murder, but to defend ourselves or one another against someone meaning to do us harm…or wishing to harm our kids? Yup! No doubt. Yet…if someone told me my husband had killed one of our kids…the LAST thing I’d ask him is what have you done? I’d be saying, “why would anyone come to such a conclusion? Cannot BE!”.
I still say what Cindy said means just what Blink and most of us believe…C&G know Casey killed her daughter, but pride and arrogance and the thought of losing another family memeber keeps them lying about it.
Lee has been way too silent. In some instances, silence is deafening..like this one!
Blink,
TY again…the hair report still has me stumped, but I am looking for more info.
It amazes me as I find we all have our reasons for being here, sometimes I have to walk away for a bit after I read here. GB to all.
Pam from TX- TY !!! what a great link, and not just for that reference, very useful. Amazing posts from everyone!
I’ve been waiting for clues of a way to tell whether or not death actually occurred in the trunk, or pool, bath tub, etc. The link below is a great site, with lots of info relevant to our discussions. Also gives insight into Dr. Baden. (but sorry it is graphic)
In part he states this:
And sometimes we can tell by the types of flies and maggots that settle on the body whether it’s been moved from an indoor location to an outdoor one. For example, if a person is killed and put into the trunk of a car, flies should not be able to get to the body. So, If we find maggots on the body in the trunk of the car, we know that the person died outside of that trunk — someplace where flies could get to the body and lay eggs on it — and then put into the trunk afterwards. If the person dies in the trunk or has died and then been placed immediately in the trunk, there shouldn’t be any flies or maggots on him.
http://www.hbo.com/autopsy/baden/qa_8.html
And I should mention one of the recent reports show pizza (which they state wasn’t in the trunk anyway) was tested and no maggots developed.
Lastly, Blink… I hold empathy for the Anthonys while intensely disliking their actions…….and every time I hear Mrs.Cindy bashing bloggers I smile a little and immediately think of YOU……..very fondly.
OOOOOOOohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh now I get it. THANKS.
Well…let me clarify..not MURDER…but kill to defend ourselves or loved ones if threatened with a deadly situation. I’d better be clear. Dont want to give wrong impression :>)
I know Blink remembers me writing about the death threats we received and endured for a time. WE seriously understand how it tightened our family together over fear for each other’s safety. That’s what’s going on with the Anthony’s but backwards!!!
Blink…your right, I remember seeing that footage - but I would think they did that because at the time, they believed Caylee was not with us anymore and were looking in obvious places first to find her body. I’m not sure if they found anything “under” the playhouse to indicate her body was ever there. I do know the cav dogs did hit on the playhouse, which would inicate to me the body was just placed inside or beside it for a short time. Anyway, just thinkin’ out loud, thanks for the opportunity!
I don’t think Casey killed Caylee primarily to eliminate her as an impediment to her relationship with Tony Lazarro. I think it was more complicated than that. Here’s why (and this also goes into my belief that Casey was not using Zanax on Caylee in order to party);
Back when I was trying to check out the zanax use issue, I was reading everything I could find about times Casey was partying with friends, previous to June 15. This is what I found;
1) Casey often had Caylee with her when she was visiting with friends, even when house partying. (Amy’s statements)
2) During her relationship with Ricardo Morales she had Caylee with her even when spending the night with him.
3) Cindy got mad at her when she found out that Casey had been at the Anything But Clothes Party, because Casey told her she needed Cindy to babysit Caylee for some other (non-partying) reason.
4) Cindy often had Caylee on evenings when Casey was “working”. Casey even often dropped Caylee off at Cindys workplace in order to arrive “at work” on time in the late afternoon/early evening.
So I started seeing that Caylee was often with Casey & her friends and she also had significant amounts of time to party while Cindy had the baby. So…no need to knock Caylee out in order to party.
But in May, Cindy got tired of picking up the slack while Casey lied about where she was going and why she needed child care help. Coincidentally Casey started saucy texting with Tony Rusciano, who wanted Casey to visit him alone; without the baby. There ensued many sexually anxed text messages wherein they could not connect in person because Casey could not get a babysitter. No use of zanax to facilitate those cancelled tryst meetings.
Then she became involved with Tony Lazarro and his friends. In late May and the 1st days of June, Casey had Caylee with her when she saw them in the daytime. But appearantly, at Tony’s place, where a friend was camped on the couch, staying overnight with the baby was taboo and Casey did not overnight there until June 16.
In the mean time Casey was communicating with another boyfriend, Mark Hawkins who lives in CA. They planned to get together. And don’t forget that the minute Tony Lazarro left for a trip to New York, Casey gets with William Waters!
I am trying to paint a picture of Casey, not only serially involved with men, but also many of her boyfriends coincide in time. She was not solely zeroed in on Tony Lazarro. But, starting in May, she had a series of circumstances wherein, caretaking Caylee was (for the 1st time) seriuosly cutting into her night life.
And I do believe that anger at Cindy played a role in Caylee’s death, too.
Blink– you give me WAYYYYYY too much credit!! It’s a copy and paste and alter text inside, job!! (it was ’shareable’…. just so you know…. came with the offer to share, well, ok, it was to be shared with a BGT singer, but hey… it’s shareable!!
I too have been wondering about Mark Hawkins (post 146) — I remember reading his text messages with Casey but I don’t know where I found that - if anyone comes across it plz post it. I am wondering if she started telling MH she was going to visit him (in California) before or after Tony started teasing her that he would not be returning to Orlando, rather staying in New York City.
If Baez & Co. lose the battle over the fraud court dates I wonder if they will look upon it as a golden opportunity to begin crafting their defense in the upcoming murder trial. For example, Casey’s mental “issues” could be established if they decided to go in that direction. BUT ~ there’s still that nasty “c” word that would have to be part of it all (confession), right?
Blink..i am stuck on this Stephanie girl for some reason!! She keeps popping up and i just can’t quite put it together..I know there is something important to it because of the LE interview being withheld…Any hints Blink??
Here’s a question…if the family did in fact find something alarming on July 3rd, which prompted the calls, searching, and deleting…why did it basically stop (except for some calls and texts) after that weekend? It seems like they just went about their business until they got the notice from the tow yard. If I were Cindy, I would have not stopped searching for Casey until I found her (
Because they bought whatever she was selling.
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Blink, Lee and Cindy could not ’stalk’ Casey unless they saw her, so are you saying they ‘tried’ to stalk her, or are you actually suggesting they saw her and followed or watched her?? There was the failed attempt to catch Casey with Caylee at Universal that day.
Also, are you saying that Lee, not Casey, who deleted the Myspace/FB stuff after it was said that she learned that Lee found her by reading her posts about her plans?
Susan - Hi! Thanks for responding. Interesting - I did not know about her singing aspirations…I agree she had nowhere to go and time was running out on her. I keep wondering why we haven’t seen his transcript - I’m sure that I read that LE went to California to interview him. Perhaps because he’s in the service, there’s a confidentiality issue with his interview. I’ve always thought as well that Casey seems to have gotten very lucky with the forensics in this case so far. She certainly doesn’t seem to be a clever or calculating killer - just kind of thought things up as she went along. The 31 day lead time really changed the forensics but the case is still very solid, IMO.
#162, http://www.facebook.com/people/Stephanie-Kostakis/5124116
I wondered who that woman was in the Casey photos.
Hey wait a minute (this is off-topic for this thread but upcoming story on the tattoo’s Casey had)…. looking at Casey’s photobucket for Stephanie-K, came across a beach photo, Casey holding Caylee, and there’s a tattoo on her right hip above bikini line.
Danny, tattoo shop owner, said (either his interview or last night on NG transcripts) that Casey had TWO (2) tattoos. That is not right– Casey has this one on her hip, then she has the one on her shoulder re: the Belle Vita, then there is a photo of Casey in the car, jeans on, Amy going at her butt, showing the ‘Shamrock’ tattoo on her lower back center.
Then Danny had seen Casey on July 15th, Tuesday, when she came into the shop to say she would come in (bring Caylee too) on Saturday for another tattoo– that would make her 4th, not 3rd. (undisclosed design apparently…. wonder who she might have shared her new tattoo design plans with– Daly maybe, or Bobby?)
(diversion– fwiw)
Well if they were buying what she was selling…then we are giving them way too much credit for being involved in some kind of cover-up before July 15th! Lee figured out on July 3rd that she was lying about being in Jacksonville…so if they believe a single word Casey said after that — then they are dumber than dirt…and do have the intelligence to organize a riot, let alone cover-up a murder. This case boggles my mind!!
Im not sure of the validity of this but Im recalling that they found on Casey’s computer an TV epsisode that she googled regarding a nanny kidnapping a child. Perhaps the duct tape served the purpose to have the kidnapped look
- I think there are so many things on her computer that are give aways but how much can they use against her- Im not sure. Esp the part where she removes all of her childs pictures on her myspace- thats disturbing
I never heard Casey wanted to be a singer - maybe the use of Juliette Lewis’s name, who is an actress and singer that has a band, is where
she came up with that name when asked about who else knew the Nanny.
Casey said Juliette Lewis and Jeff Hopkins as I recall.
Post#69 very good and well stated facts.These grandparents know exactly what happened to that baby and they are choosing to stand with the devil.I hope every last one of them do jail time for all of the lying and covering up that they are doing for this KILLER of their grand child whom they profess to love so much.How can they say this and yet protect the one who caused her death? They should be ashamed of themselves.
I am wondering if she used the tape to stop the flow of waters etc from flowing out of her nose and mouth from the drowning.
Angela; #173; There is much of interest concerning the case in the blog, SpoiledMom. I will post the link for the 2008 archives of SpoiledMom. On the left menu; scroll way down to Forensics Report on Casey’s Laptop, etc for emails between Casey and Mark Hopkins of June 22 & 23.
Then down farther on the left is a link to Mark Hopkins MySpace page (evidently he is married now) and that menu spot has a few notes of interest.
Also in the main body of the page scroll down to see the story, Theories into Caylee’s Paternity. There is (what I think may be some original work) links to old MySpace entries which are intriguing. Especially about relationships linking Casey - Tara - Lee - Mark. (Cindy asked something about Tara in one of the jail visits prompting an outburst from Casey.) Enjoy.
http://spoiledmom-mommyconfessions.blogspot.com/search?updated-min=2008-01-01T00%3A00%3A00-06%3A00&updated-max=2009-01-01T00%3A00%3A00-06%3A00&max-results=50
RE post 180 and Casey’s tattoos– right out of Danny Knight (aka Colomarino?)’s own mouth ‘2′ tattoos.
http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/crime/2009/06/23/ng.mom.tattoo.cnn
Three tattoos:
1. Hip (flower): Photo of Casey Anthony’s flower : Photo 26, 28 http://www.docstoc.com/docs/1678887/Casey-Anthony-Facebook-Myspace-Photobucket-Photos
2. Lower back center (shamrock) http://hubpages.com/slide/caseyanthony/922190
3. no photo (yet) of ‘The Good Life” La Belle Vita, said to be on shoulder, done early July while Caylee was missing.
Will someone verify if they found pc searches on “Incest”. I know I thought I read about it very early on however I havent heard anything lately…Was it true and if so what do you think the relevence of that search plays in with the death of Caylee?
Blink,concerning the comment of #144 talking about Lee and his complete 180 degree turn around,one can also say this same about George.In the beginning he seemed to be working on the side of RIGHT and now he is just as involved as Cindy in lying and covering up for Casey.Now this is where I am going with this.It is my beleif that George was not in Law Enforcement in Ohio or any where else for that matter.If he was in LE,how can he take part in all of these lies and cover ups? It really threw me for a loop when he said at their depo that he has known about Zanny for I think he said 2yrs.I don’t beleive for one minute that he tried to commit suicide.But,before all is said and done I think he just might try.JMO
Come On, we already know that duct tape will not stick to damp skin.
190, Then how did it remain intact in the woods under water all that time? Casey could’ve dried her face before applying it. It’s just a thought
Kleat…I had also seen the photo on the beach w/ Caylee and her other tatoo . Perhaps she had gotten that tatoo from a different artist somewhere else and her current tatoo artist wasn’t aware of it ???
When I first saw Casey when the story broke, my first feeling was that the baby Caylee was ” baggage” to her and in the way of her social life and or relationship with a boyfriend… Then when I heard about the famous fight with Cindy and how jealous Casey was of people paying attention to Caylee and not her , that added another factor to it . I think she had been planning on killing Caylee for some time because of jealousy and ” baggage” but then when the famous strangling fight with Cindy happenend , that was the icing on the cake and she went thru with it , to punish Cindy .
Issues with Jane Velez-Mitchell show has just announced Haylee Donathan has been found. Her mother, Candace Watson & her level 3 sex offender boyfriend, Robbie Potter, at a Christian retreat ranch / commune in southern California. Here’s the story link:
http://www.cnn.com/2009/CRIME/06/24/ohio.missing.girl/index.html
Lordie please tell me this is not a Christian Retreat Ranch we have seen in another case.
O please O please O please.
Thank Heavens she was found, but to be honest I truly thought she would be ok.
B
Kelly post #154,
IDK the wording particularly bothered me, clearly NOT used for anything else, like the shirt, plastics, etc. and especially this: “multiple irregular defects consistent with decomposition.” Decomposition of what? the shorts themselves or body fluids on them, etc.???…again terminology is what I’m questioning. Word is clearly reserved otherwise for the body and bodily related items in the rest of autopsy.
Brenda post #165 & 166- I so totally agree, esp what the A’s said in the beginning being so crucial, more “real” or credible. And btw….(maybe I read too many crime stories ), but also agree w/y if my family was threatened directly, I KNOW what I’d be capable of, no doubts. I have a 5 yo niece, and Neveah B. case just rung my bell on that one. My n. isn’t allowed to walk ‘ahead’ to the car by herself (lives in apt complex too). Afraid I’d be needing bail money.
Tommie - I love this: “so if they believe a single word Casey said after that — then they are dumber than dirt…and do have the intelligence to organize a riot, let alone cover-up a murder. This case boggles my mind!!” LOL …u are not alone friend…. don’t think the A’s ever believed a word either. C’mon…from experience they knew better than all of US from the get go.
boz
I agree with you also I would like to add that not only do they not have a defense.
but there are no good character witness to come foward and say something good about casey anthony…
george ans cindy are a poor excuse for grandparents/parents.
Bees-
“Come On, we already know that duct tape will not stick to damp skin.”
Had exact same thoughts on wet hair….but can definitely dry in less than 2-4 hours, esp summer in FL. (in relation to “O theory” pre-rigor mortis). IDK. But am wondering if first layer, all layers, or last layer of tape went onto the hair? This has bugged me since the beginning when they found her and the taping issue came up.
Blink, if the duct tape was to make it look like a kidnapping, why all the other self-incriminating evidence (items from the home, etc)? And why go on to act completely guilty, rather than reporting Caylee missing and feigning the appropriate emotions? Was it an initial attempt that was then aborted? Or ?
One thing that has been overlooked in this is justice for Amy as well. She told her most intimate personal secrets to a lunatic and offered her friendship and love with no strings attached. She was rewarded with financial ruin and the biggest kick in the butt she will probably ever recieve. They are now going to prosecute Casey for her financial crimes against Amy. It has been 11.5 months. Amy deserves better justice than the system has offered her so far.
Incidentally, I wonder if some of her statement was redacted as well. There is a reason she has maintained silence since that first awkward attempt at an interview at her front door. She must have something the SA needs her to say at trial. Poor her.
Blink, I don’t know how to get ahold of you - but I am surprised you are not covering the Tamara Greene case out of Detroit - the rumored murder of the exotic dancer by the ex-mayor of Detroit. This story doesn’t seem to die - and it seems there is something there.
Blink I just discovered this site over the weekend. Just want to thank yu and others here for providing such great info. I must admit that I was hoping the opinions I was drawing observing the a’s throughout was a result of my horror over this childs death. But the info you have provided is astounding. I too feel the defense will fail and caylee will get justice. She died too soon
Blink I love reading all these all comments and responses…hats off to Kleat too.. very well researched and always gets me re thinking…..I recently really watched private home video (s) of Caylee..when Casey tapes her there is such an eerie quality to it..she almost never talks to her or interacts with Caylee….unless G&C or others too in the video…….(on you tube)…..Thanks for all the hours work and info.
The retreat is 50 miles north of San Diego, a town called Valley Center, the Christian Ranch is called “Morning Star Ranch.” Supposedly they raise avocados, grapefruit, persimmons…. Are you familiar with this place, Blink?
Does anyone know if a plea deal does happen one day……. will that then mean we would never know the ‘truth’?
Julie, it depends on whether the court requires Casey to elocute to the facts of what she did to Caylee. Those facts must be verifiably truthful & match the evidence or the judge could deny the plea deal. Now whether that would be the truth??? Who knows.
http://www.docstoc.com/docs/6035332/2008-0908-Police-Interview-Tony-Lazzaro here’s where tony says she wants to be a singer page 52&53 , he is asked on page 74 if there is anything important or that jumps out and he wants to bring that drunken conversation backup but then seems like he thinks its dumb or embarrassing so he drops it (my take).someone was asking about arden villas apts. its in here that tony’s future tobe roommates live at arden villas,AND he states that material from both gas cans were put into her car (someone was asking about that)
Red Ranger, #198; Thanks for talking about justice for Amy. I hope she gets it. Moreover, she has her integrity intact
What I really want to know is how Cindy has such a strong hold on George and Lee? This isn’t something petty we are talking about, folks. Most would say “to hell with you, I’m telling the truth”. Yes, I believe Casey killed that baby but I’m much more intrigued with Cindy. I feel she is the devil here on earth. If she were to allow George to have his balls in his posession for a mere 10 min, would he do the right thing? Why is Lee drinking the Cindy Kool-Aide?
If it’s brought to truth that they all have been covering, will they be prosecuted? Or when Casey comes to trial will it be such a slinging match no one will actually realize they are under the bus? Or will they spill before the front set of tires rolls over them? These are the questions that intrigue me. I’ve moved past who, when and why.
I doubt that she would tell the truth under any circumstances. I just don’t can’t imagine that at all. How would we know it to be true the way she lies? .
Blink: I know alot of prisoners work…doing laundry, working in kitchen, mopping floors etc….(Leona Hemsley did) Do you think that Casey will be required to work, or will she “get out of this” because people hate child murderers?
Honestly, as I think she will plead and get LWOP, she will be in general population and don’t give her 6 months if she does. Although, she has a hefty commisary account, so she could probably afford protection.
B
If kc did bury caylee for a short time in or under the playhouse would this explain cindys v/m message to the detective “if kc did this she had to have help?
I love the clues blink leaves for us to follow that points to kc conviction. Still reading up on the scathing mssg to tm
FairestWitness, remember Jonestown– I don’t know anything about this ranch in the story, but when Blink wrote that, I remembered the documentary about Jim Jones, his Christian ‘ranch’ outside San Francisco– a ‘closed society’ in which sexual exploitation was rampant by Jones, against men and women alike and families living in fear of leaving, of speaking out.
Blink - Thank you for what you are doing. The O effect is very interesting and horrifying at the same time. After reading most of the comments on that it almost seems to me that this happens sooner in a child than an older person, do you know if this is true?
Come On (the nick)– never heard any computer searches for incest.
Re Annals post # 186: thanks for finding that: I think you mean Mark Hawkins (not Hopkins) - in any case, I re-read their text messages/emails between Casey & Mark - the dates here (on the laptop forensic report) are actually July 22-23 2007! not 2008. But I did not see the exchange here where she says she wants to visit and has something to tell him. I believe that was in 2008.
Interesting the speculation on that page regarding his paternity (re Caylee), I wonder if he was tested and if the paternity will ever be revealed.
#193, RE: Haley Donathan being found…. I actually read that in the middle of the night, or early morning this a.m. I too was thrilled as you and I’m sure everyone else is. Blink, when you say you knew she would be ok, I’m assuming you meant she would be found alive. I’m not sure she is “ok”…. although I pray she is, and nothing happened to her via the SO boyfriend. They sure slept in the same bed a lot. Here is my question though, maybe you can answer. Let’s assume it were you or me in this scenario, maybe that will help answer. If I were to meet a guy, left town, went across country to a campsite or otherwise, as long as I have full legal custody of my daughter, I can’t see the problem. Please understand I’m not condoning her going with a S.O. by any means. That being said… one could certainly argue that they didn’t know he was a S.O. and argue even more the fact that having custody gives her the right to do anything she wants with the child. Just because her mother was worried doesn’t mean she has to come home, or even has to check in with her mother. She is an adult, and I’m guessing the father of the little girl isn’t involved, therefore lending more to the fact that she doesn’t have to check in with anyone. So I’m wondering what they can hold her on? She could always say she didn’t know he was wanted, or that anyone was even looking for her, considering they were in the middle of the woods most of the time. Blink, any idea what they (not try to hold her on) WILL be able to hold her on or charge her with? I’m just curious, as I was thinking earlier today about having sole custody of my daughter and the thought just crossed my mind while reading the story.
I’d like to add though…. I do believe she knew he was a S.O. and THAT of course would be endangering child, but I’m not sure they can prove it. Not to mention he was in the same half-way house as her own brother, and I’m not sure that the g-ma realizes that the child is JUST AS unsafe being around her own son, as being around the b-friend.
It would be a wag on my part as I dont know what they can “prove”. The next 24 hours will be telling, most importantly the exam of the baby. Whatever it is, will be Federal, so she’s effed already, and should be.
B
Is the “O” thing the same as what we, here in the south call the “death mask”? I saw it on my grandmother and grandfather and well, had to see them in their coffins….. It gave me nightmares for a long time….
To Julie #203 Certainly we will know the truth, in the form of a book. I can just see it now, CAYLEE MARIE ANTHONY, THE TRUE STORY BY JOSE BAEZ………
Stephanie Kostakis was Jesus Ortiz’s BFF and she was a friend of Casey, and courtesy of our very own Ms. Blink, all this info comes. Blink was also told (correct me if I’ve got this wrong Blink), that Casey showed Stephanie (that right?) the article about the crash that killed Ortiz.
Blink, the link you posted to the accident article, is no longer useful– you have a new link for that article or copy in your files?
Here’s the source for the Blink info: http://scaredmonkeys.com/2009/01/30/caseycaylee-anthony-case-why-we-so-care-how-team-baez-et-al-is-getting-paid/
halee Donathan; According to N OH US Marshall the mother said she knows that BF is SO.
http://www.foxnews.com/video/index.html?playerId=011008&streamingFormat=FLASH&referralObject=6256509&referralPlaylistId=playlist
It has been reported on cnn that she helped him escape from the half way house because she was so I looooovvvvve with him. Yikes
http://www.mydeathspace.com/article/2008/02/12/Jesus_Ortiz_(21)_died_from_injuries_sustained_in_an_automobile_accident
Follow-up question from the SK/Ortiz question leads back to the autopsy report. Page 2 of the osteological report says “The remains are believed to be those of Caylee Anthony, a white (European ancestry) female…”
Yet on Jesus Ortiz’s Myspace page http://www.myspace.com/xxupononexx under ‘Jesus’s Details, lists him as from Humacao, P.R. with “Ethnicity: Latino/Hispanic”
I know this has been discussed here before, but now the autopsy report states ‘white European’ for Caylee. Why would they not say, in the osteo report, that Caylee’s ancestry is not all known, given an ‘unknown’ father. It seems that the report is a bit narrow viewed in this respect, afterall, they are at that point, trying to decide if this child IS Caylee.
Well researched Kleat, and I let this slip by without addressing until I saw further comments. My bad. If you read the Anthropological report, it specifically states NOT to classify ethnicticity based on known or presumbed racial “bone” sterotypes as it it largely inaccurate and unreliable. Dr. G was reported on established known information given to her, LESS the DNA report if you notice, is not included, just the confirmation of her ID.
I will direct you to the statements of Mr. and Mrs. Dickens in their interview (you will adore this man) with Ocso for clues.
Oh and have you considered why Baez is on his “Embrace me with people” kick? Jus sayin’
B
Hey Blink- do you read over at http://www.Beaconhell.com? There is a story on the front page about a mom who is trying to get national attention to the fact that her 2 1/2 yr old daughter is suspected of being molested by her own father. There is a video of the little girl talking about it to her mother before bedtime. Supposedly the father is connected to some high up people and custody was taken from the mom with only 2 hr supervised visits per week. I wondered if you had heard about this and if so, do you think it is true? I was horrified at all of the allegations and especially the video in the little girl’s words (talking about daddy’s worm). They were asking for people to help them spread the word to get him investigated. I don’t want to take part in a scam but don’t want to pretend I didn’t see the story either… This post is just for you, I didn’t know how else to reach you.
Trusting your opinion,
Blink- the story is posted in a comment someone left to the story of Haylee Donathan. http://www.saveaaliyah.com/
Sorry, didn’t want you to think I sent you on a wild goose chase..
#219 Kleat - Is this the article you are looking for?
http://www.centralfloridafuture.com/2.10660/ucf-student-dies-in-tragic-car-crash-1.1423785
First, love this site. Long time reader, first time poster. Thank you Blink and all regulars! Perhaps someone can help me with this. This is not an original thought on my part, but have not heard it for sometime. If George and/or Cindy cleaned the car once it was picked up from the towyard and used the wet vac. They emptied the wet vac in the back yard, causing the dogs to hit on several places in the backyard? Anybody have any thoughts on this?
Also, remember when the protester were at the house? Remember George putting quick lime on the lawn, and warning the protesters because he didn’t want anyone to get burned from it? In the past it has been discussed because quick lime is not something normally used on fl lawns. Also, it is something that could mask decomp smells and aid to the decomposition rate of material.
Does anyone think this ploy was to disguise decomp the anthonys tried to remove from the car? TIA
I don’t think we will EVER know all of the truth. NO WAY!
OK so this is a little off topic but I REALLY would like to see some statments here!. hehe
Mark Hawkins
Mallory
Tracy
Dominic Casey
Rob Dick
I have read EVERY statement that has come out but have to see these.
Blink! is there any that I have left out that you know of?
We got so spoiled with all of this discovery being released but as far as I am concerned we still don’t have any of the REAL FACTS as far as statements. Also there were two attorneys at the Anthony house the day that they did the first search in the backyard as LE asked if it was ok if they searched as George and Cindy were suspicious.
This all has just been pushed to the sidelines.
I think possibly also that Caylee was put temporarily in the sand box as it had a lid and there was sand found at the remains site with the remains?
OH and I also posted early on that I think the chloroform has something to do with the chemicals in the pool mixing with a decomposing body. I did share this with LP in the first days of this case and good ole NG knocked him down for saying it.
I do believe I am close in my theory and even though this is tragic, it has become a quest to find the answers for the angel.
I respectfully disagree Nancy, and Leonard already knows better, I promise.
B
Hi Blink - great site! I am addicted to it and find all of this very interesting…keep up the good work. I also love all of your “contributers” - they have some interesting theories and really give solid reasons for their opinions….
In regards to Jonestown, the church was actually located in SF - the town where Mr Jones took everyone was out of the country (can’t recall where)…that is where everyone drank his koolaid, right after they killed Congressman Ryan … I remember it vividly since I grew up in SF and the “church” was right down the street from my high school.
But back to the case at hand….keep up the great work and I can’t wait for the next “chapter” - regards!
Hi Blink - great site! I am addicted to it and find all of this very interesting…keep up the good work. I also love all of your “contributers” - they have some interesting theories and really give solid reasons for their opinions….
In regards to Jonestown, the church was actually located in SF - the town where Mr Jones took everyone was out of the country (can’t recall where)…that is where everyone drank his koolaid, right after they killed Congressman Ryan … I remember it vividly since I grew up in SF and the “church” was right down the street from my high school.
But back to the case at hand….keep up the great work and I can’t wait for the next “chapter” - regards!
Ok Blink THANK YOU. I just cannot rule out drowning. I guess I can let go of the chloroform then.
Or my other idea had to do with suffocation in the bedroom but I just cannot even think this monster did that to this child.
I do believe the only way that KC can even live with this is that she had to get in her mind it was an “accident”.
But I could not fathom what Andrea Yates did either.
I was a single parent of two sons and YES it was hard at times but I would have had LOVED the support of my parents babysitting them once in awhile let alone letting her live in their home. She had all the help she needed and then some.
My mother too was VERY manipulative and a nurse and for that reason I moved out of my house at 16 years old. I couldnt take the games and control. I got a job and an apartment and lied about my age for two years til I turned 18. I even bought a car at 16 to get work and didnt have my license til 18 when I could sign for myself.
I had my first son at 19 and like I said before, both of my sons are now in the military and doing well for themselves as I got out!
This just really saddens me to no end.
I am seriously considering writing some research on sociopaths and one of my sisters and daughter in law are sociopaths and I really would like to know what makes them tick?
Oh and YES I did have to go to a couple of years of therapy to realise that I was okay, as I didnt fit in my moms world.
As usual very interesting article B. Thank you. I have some thoughts about GA. So if I remenber correctly that after his attempted sucide it was stated he also had another problem of etoh abuse. That would fit with his inability to hold a job and his constant gum chewing to cover the smell of etoh on his breath. His temper which at times seems irrational in response to situation. He has the manipulative personality of etoh abuser also the social appeal. So my conclusion is that George never saw Caylee on the 16th cause he was hung over and still sleeping. I believe what LP has said that George is lying about the morning of the 16th. The story he tells is Cindy’s fiction to cover the argument the noc before. A good reason to throw George under the bus an abusive alcholic Father. This is a good excuse for poor judgement displayed by Casey. Then you throw in her mother Cindy the control freak, no wonder Casey has poor judgement.
I have always felt that Casey had issues with Cindy spending time in the pool with Caylee. Cindy told the FBI that she and Caylee spent everyday in the pool during her vacation around the time of her bday (6/5). On 6/15, when Casey finally comes home, she wants to join Cindy and Caylee in the pool but Cindy tells her no — it’s getting chilly and they’re getting out. I can imagine that a snarky verbal exchange ensured. Considering everything else that may have occurred that evening, the pool incident may have been a flashpoint.
I do not know if it is possible to tear the duct tape she used with her teeth, but if it is….wouldn’t that leave her DNA and tooth marks to compare to the tape on Caylee? Also, do you think they will be able to get any tox reports from the maggots that would show if she was drugged?
Thank you so much for your answers. I love your site.
Blink,
I am going to assume that the info they discovered July 3rd led to the paving project in their backyard that weekend. If so, what could Casey have possibly ’sold’ them to get them to back off for a few weeks if whatever they found was troubling enough for them to take time to landscape while they were in anguish over their missing grandchild?
new, LP came over to accept that George wasn’t telling the truth– someone had to convince him though.
Susan and PamTX, thx for the article link. Not that I needed to read all that depressing stuff, I can see the SK link now.
Re Post 186. (I apologize, I have not had time yet to click the link in this post) Does anyone recall Casey telling someone (not sure who) that, at some point in the past, her brother Lee had come into her bedroom and tried to “put the moves on her” so to speak??? I think his paternity (incest) has been ruled out by DNA, but it is still a strange twist. It has always bugged me that there is something going on here in this family involving incest in some way, might this be what Casey holds over their heads?????
NancyS, the Dominic Casey transcripts and audio are out there and should be easy to find (try http://www.wftv.com and http://www.cfnews13.com for a start or search http://www.docstoc.com) — IIRC, the transcripts were a bit of a slog, but if you have time to spend, worth it just to see how LE worked their way through the questions and bit of resistance…. about the ABC Ritz and goings on there.
Of course, when Dominic Casey ever gets deposed by M&M, that will be posted at http://www.forthepeople.com
Hi Blink,
Great Article! It is amazing to me that after all of this time there is still so much speculation regarding the events that has taken place. Casey is either extremely brilliant to orchestrate all of the people involved or extremely dumb to leave so much evidence at the crime scene.
I have not convicted casey, there are two many unanswered questions as we can tell from reading the above posts. The 31 days seems to be one of the major factors that points out her guilt. it is also one of the reasons why I question if she is guilty. I have always thought her actions during the time caylee was missing was indicative that she KNEW who caylee was with.
I am concerned that there is one person in this case that has gone under the radar, and I am not sure why. It would be interesting to see how a profile would analyze the person below regarding this case.
This person:
wanted caylee and couldnt have her
idolized her relationship with casey- “unstoppable trio” caylees middle name
knew of the zone–close to home
was the first to point out where caylee would be found
was the first point her finger at Cindy as a racist
pointed that Casey had mental problems “bi-polar”
criticized Casey relationship with men as not being a good mom
when questioned if she knew of a zeneida- she did not answer the question, she shifted to gonzales.
Laughed at the shovel
she pointed out the Anthonys shed
worked at universal
had long dark curly hair (she wears straight)
According to myspace page,is from North Carolina
refused to turn over cell phone records.
produced a “working phone number” yet was disconnected(this is a big factor in caseys interview-she would call and the number disconnected)
Had monetary gain and notoriety-sold her story
AND THE STICKER- as #25 stated above
“Might not the duct tape have been a message to George and Cindy, and the heart sticker a little added signature? If Caylee were found, then the duct tape makes it look like an abduction but the heart sticker tells those who understand the message exactly what happened and why”
JULY 9… hummm…
And soooo much more about this person that there should be questions about. Did she have a blackjack? (the officer said she had a nice phone) Did she know that when she sold her story that she would be discredited? What kind of car does she drive? what is her mothers name? Did she know that Caseys car was at amscot? And why has Morgan and Morgan NOT called her for a deposition? or maybe they have and I missed it.
I am not saying that Casey is innocent, I am asking, did she lie?
To poster # 101, my heart just broke reading your story hun. I’m in tears, but I believe you will be with your daughter again in Heaven.
As a mother of two boys, losing a child would just make me a different person.
This whole story is unreal, I’m reminded of a freind I grew up with in a small town, she’s just as twisted as Casey, they could have been twins…. I’m happy to report this drunken skank is now sitting in prison for shooting another girl in the leg at a keg party, and left her son to his father, yrs before this…Thank god!!! Stupid spoiled, attention seeking bitches, just can’t grasp the concept, that if they don’t want their own child, someone else does! I don’t like to sound evil here, but frankly I’m hoping my old friend would just die, as she likes to drink and drive, she once drove through the whole small town going from one yard to another, after leaving the town bar.
I regularly realize just how naive I am reading here . . . not to mention afraid of saying something stupid in front of so many who seem to be knowledgeable in so many areas . . . eeek. Soooo . . . having no idea what ETOH abuse meant (post # 235 above regarding GA), I found the following (perhaps I am not the only unknowing one here?):
http://www.medhelp.org/posts/Mental-Health/ETOH-abuse/show/892513
Posted by HFHS M.D.-JK on May 04, 1999 at 18:00:56
“ETOH stands for ethanol ( Ethyl Alcohol). It is a common term used in medical histories to designate alcoholic beverages. When combined in the term ‘ETOH abuse’, it usually refers to a patient’s history of over consumption of alcoholic beverages such as beer or hard liquor.”
Found that educational - don’t know if it might help others. Makes quite a bit more sense to me that that is why GA was hospitalized for 10 days (along with psych eval) as I personally don’t think that he really intended to/tried to kill himself, and he admitted he didn’t actually take any meds during his Hawaiian Hotel Adventure. God knows that what/who he has been trying to live & deal with would turn anyone to drink. Criminies.
While I’m feeling brave enough to post: was also completely in the dark regarding Blink’s reference to chloroform being used as a sexual enhancement . . . perhaps there are other clean-living citizens here who felt befuddled by this idea as well (?). It was actually rather difficult to find valid references to such online, for anything other than rape scenarios. . .
Per the articles, chloroform is evidently sometimes used as an enhancing substance in sexual asphyxia (similar effect to what killed Carradine) via “huffing” (sniffing solvents) - although it is made to sound rather rare & unusual . . . shall have to just trust Mme. Blink’s theories on this one. . . A reference or two follows - shall leave further research to you all (makes my stomach turn):
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/wales/7326676.stm
http://searchmedica.com/xmlresource.do?c=pc&ss=defLink&p=Convera&rid=ds1-vb:p:2013t:67487354160:4f0d68b0cd2fa504:47cf2352&t=pubmed
I truly do not understand experimenting with such toxic substances - completely beyond my grasp of understanding; and alarming to think Casey & pals may have been involved in such dangerous play. Good heavens.
As I head off to call it a night (nightmares of our children involved in such frightening behaviors looming, I’m sure), I am humming the old TV theme song: “…greeeeeeen acres is the place for me . . . faaaaaarm livin’ is the live I need…” (or something like that… LOL). Beginning to think running away to the clean life of the rolling hills, raising chickens & pickin’ stone fruits is the way to go. The world is becoming a crazy, scary place.
B A M and BAM again. LOVED this comment, If you have not already, posting on SM.. Finally!!
B
ps. Yes, they are all nuts, and scarey, and for what?
Good one Kleat #223.
Kleat,
A couple of little things. First, the term Hispanic actually derives from what the Romans named the Iberian peninsula. It was adopted by the Nixon administration, and applied to “Latin Americans”. Interestingly enough, the term Latin, of course, derives from peoples speaking a Latin based language (Romance language), again, Mediterranean. By the way, Mediterranean peoples are considered caucasoids…or white. PRs descend, primarily, from a mixture of peoples. Spaniards, Africans, Corsicans, and other Europeans.
Additionally, the term Hispanic and Latino (the latter was coined by Napoleon, in an effort to give the subjugated “Latin Americans” a feeling a comraderie or kinship…all the while, there remained a very strict classification system, that began with peninsulare, or Iberian born, then criollo, Spanish only descent born off the peninsula, then …dang, there is one I can’t recall offhand, then mestizo, half Spaniard, half Indian).
In any event, Mexicans are considered caucasoids. Many Central and South Americans are of European descent, some are mixed, some aren’t,and most would be considered caucasian. Some PRs are, some aren’t. Caylee appears to have a phenotype that is consistent with caucasian. That does not mean that her father cannot be Puerto Rican.
For expedience sake, I will quote wiki “The term Caucasian race (also Caucasoid or Europid) has been used to denote the general physical type of some or all of the indigenous populations of Europe, North Africa, the Horn of Africa, West Asia, Central Asia and South Asia.[1] Historically, the term has been used to describe the entire population of these regions, without regard necessarily to skin tone. In common use, the term is sometimes restricted to Europeans and other lighter-skinned populations within these areas, and may be considered equivalent to the varying definitions of white people”.
There ya go. Puerto Rican father and Caucasian child are not mutually exclusive. BTW, my nieces live in PR, and their mother is PR. Her mother is a criollo, her father descends from Africans and Spaniards (the term mulatto is not PC, but would have been used until very recently…I’ll use it here, since it’s familiar, not as a statement of anything more).
I keep reading about accident, accident. I understand that an accident in which one’s child is killed is very, very, very traumatic. I understand flipping out. I do not understand not calling the police, and trying to hide one’s child’s body. I just don’t get it. Because mommy would be mad? And so prison is better than that? I don’t think that equates with Casey’s way of living. She wasn’t so scared of her mom’s response about getting pregnant, partying, being wild, serial dating, or anything else. Would she really put herself at risk of going to prison forever, so mom wouldn’t be mad at her for a horrible accident occuring, bc she wasn’t watching her child? It just doesn’t seem consistent with the way she lived her life.
Casey seems like someone who has arrested development. I have seen nothing indicative of her behaving like a responsible adult. The selfish, narcisstic behavior. I GUESS that could be motivation for trying to make a negligent death appear like an abduction. It seems to me, though, that prior to this incident she had the ability to measure risk against benefit. Wouldn’t the risk outweigh the benefit? Even if she got off with mom possibly thinking she was a victim, but there was a strong possibility she would go to prison for life (if caught), is that a tradeoff that a narcissist would make? She cared THAT much about what her mom thought? You’d think that a narcissist could come up with a better scenario, where it could be an accident that wasn’t her fault, somehow.
I dunno..it just sounds way too ridiculous. Selfishness has been exhibited. Immaturity has been exhibited. Hostility and jealousy toward Caylee has been exhibited. But severe stupidity and inability to reason really haven’t been exhibited until now. I absolutely don’t buy accident. No way would she risk a murder rap, and being hated by the world, in exchange for mom finding out she was not paying close attention to her kid, resulting in a negligent death.
#224 or anyone that can help. I’ve read beaconhell everyday for a year now, and I haven’t seen, nor do I see now, the story you speak of. Could you tell me if you’re speaking specifically of the “front page” or could you be talking about the “front page” of maybe one of the forums there? I looked and looked for the story you’re talking about and absolutely see it nowhere. Thanks in advance for yours’ or anyone else’ help.
I have no idea, but if its not related to this case or subject matter?
B
Did I miss something? Can someone please point me to a link to the conclusion that it was a swim diaper? Everything I’ve seen says pull up type diaper (used during potty training) which is not the same thing. Even the picture above is of a ‘Pull Up’ not a ‘Little Swimmer’ Thanks.
*going off to Google “etoh”*
That’s the first I’ve heard of this………..
Blink, defense attorney John Burris was on Nancy Grace last night saying he thinks Candace Watson was within her parental rights to take her daughter with her on this trek and that she’d only lose custody temporarily of her daughter, Haylee. Of course NG raked him over the coals for his views.
I don’t think parental rights or prerogatives can supercede the rights of their children. This mom needs to be put in prison and should never have contact with her daughter again. What a total POS.
Her brother and the father of Haylee are in custody because they aided & abetted Robbie Potter’s escape from the halfway house he was just released from prison to. Why would these two felons do that? What’s so great about this tier 3 sex offender that this family felt compelled to help him escape and to put him in Haylee’s proximity? Poor Haylee, both of her parents are garbage. It’s just like poor, little Nevaeh Buchanan.
What is going on with America’s parents today/
Hes an ass.
B
I have a legal question that maybe someone can answer. Does the prosecution do depos on witnesses? Or just the defense?
Yes, he is a thoroughly nasty man. I rarely respect his opinion on anything. I wonder why he’s on Nancy Grace so often.
Blink, a fourth piece of duct tape (Q100) was later found at the remains site in addition to the three pieces of duct tape cut away from the skull (Q62-Q64—which were provided to the FBI by the M.E. so I assume they are the ones from the skull).
I was thinking that if the child were alive at the time, wouldn’t she try to claw the tape off as a natural instinct? Now perhaps duct tape is too difficult for a toddler to remove, or could it be that her hands were restrained? If so, does the fourth piece of Henkel brand duct tape (especially if it is the “long piece of duct tape” on pg. 3402), found at the remains site suggest this? If not, any theories as to this additional piece of tape that was not discovered or recovered at the same time as the skull?
You will find additional references to this fourth piece of duct tape on pp. 3744 and on 3423: One piece of duct tape, Henkel Consumer Adhesives, submitted to the FBI as Q100 (the duct tape was located on the scene by ASL Rodriguez at 1148 hours—-I believe on Dec. 13)
Then there are these pieces described on pg. 3402—not sure how they relate to the Q numbers above:
D1: Piece of duct tape “Henkel Consumer Adhesives” item# H-60493, tag #16
D2: 2 pieces of duct tape item# J-60013, tag #5
D3: Long piece of duct tape, item# J-60013, tag #4
On the skull tape, I figure the reason Q62-Q64 were overlapping is because they kept going on crooked–one covered the mouth but missed the nose, next one covered one nostril but missed the other, third one got all the openings covered).
One other tape question: I know the FBI’s latent print unit dicovered the heart shaped residue on the tape, but when I read this description from the remains scene, it seems hard to believe: “Duct tape was lying on the front of the skull, over the mouth area. The exterior non-sticky side of the duct tape at the front of the skull appeared to have worn away.” (3415)
Hi Steph. Either side can take a deposition during discovery (after charging documents are filed).
EtOH you’re right is ethyl alcohol. Kids would learn that term from chemistry lab class. (btw it is simply pronounced saying each letter) Guess the term has an added party drinking use now meaning ‘alcohol’ drinks– you don’t want to drink the stuff in the lab.
Speaking of alcohol as in ‘partying’, there’s a photo of Casey’s drinking buds (the tattoo crew?) with a bottle of Absinth, a shot glass, and a packet of something that ‘goes with’. Sugar cube was the traditional ‘go with’ accessory. What are they holding up? Do they mix what is in the packet (doesn’t look like Sweet’n'Lo or Equal or a sugar package)? This is off-topic, but since we are on the EtOH topic as a new ‘ booze’ term, anyone know?
MackenzieMom, thanks for the explanation!
MidWestMom, are you speculating that KioMarie had Caylee all along, killed her because why?? Did KioMarie have opportunity to kill the baby?
Are you saying that not turning over phone records ‘wholesale’ to the defense (all, broad, like others, Amy, Dominic Casey, Kronk, who else… long list) is necessary and if they say there has to be limits to the request so refusing ‘until’, that this shows guilt?
Selling her story to the tabloid was plain DUMB!! Or was it… her credibility is a bit of a wash now to be used against Casey and Casey doesn’t need her to testify on behalf of her.
I don’t think Casey would target a female, I think she would target ‘dumb, stupid boys’. (didn’t she say that in her text messages, ie: to Amy? Or was that to impress Amy… who knows).
Will the bullet casing come into the evidence at trial? That would be a good way to tie one of the ‘academy’ crew of BF’s to the death, Casey was at the firing range, easy to pick up a spent casing with prints on it. And the kitchen knife, was it from the Anthony home or could it be another red herring ‘plant’ that she could have picked up from some home like Stutz’s parents, or Grund, or…
I swear I posted my question of Etoh before all of the answers came out, not after…… *glares at B*
*wink*
Yes, but “wink” back, that is different than doing the legwork
B
#171—annals—i agree too with what you said about not using zanax–that she didnt really have to as everything was basically “ok” until the big fight. serial boyfriends that didnt want child etc came into play like you said later. i think zanny the nanny and just picking out zaneida from a name at the apartment complex was kind of like a private joke for Casey. i am not as skilled at figuring things out like so many of you guys are so please excuse if thoughts seem farfetched. thanks
FYI fellow “Blinkers”, the drug referred to is XANAX, spelled with an “X” but prounounced with a “Z” (zan - ex). Xanax (alprazolam) is a benzodiazepine used to treat anxiety and panic disorder. It’s a tranquilizer.
Ashley Marie, the ‘oh’ is captitalized… like the chemical symbols for Oxygen and Hydrogen. The t is small because it’s short for Ethyl.
Yeah Blink!! Dickens you say!! Love that guy “got a police officer here, get dressed!!” http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sSBGyYFwtTk (I’d read it or heard it ages ago, but forgot about it and many thanks for the hint!!! Glad to have listened to that now.
“one of the ‘academy’ crew of BFs” - Kleat; funny.
When I use knives to cut tape, adhesive quickly builds up on the blade and it’s difficult to remove without solvent. I have a special product to clean the knife I use to open boxes. (GooGone - great stuff). Maybe Casey used that knife to cut the tape off the roll and tossed it into the bag because it had gooey evidence on it. Ah, well then the document would have mentioned the residue, it’s obvious to the naked eye.
I wondered about the phraise in the documents; ‘the exterior…of the duct tape at the front of the skull appeared to have worn away’ (3415). Sounded ominous to me, but also if the exterior is worn away, how is residue from the heart sticker still there?
Could some abraisive activity have occurred which wore the exterior, before the heart sticker was applied?
Wouldn’t it be perfect for someone to set their media contacts, onto witnesses, to get them a highpaying interview… who would have those types of media contacts, no one in the Anthony family– oh, yeah right, there was someone who even had the media contacts to help other family get attention for missing children (link back to Blink’s story about Cindy on the last morning talk show).
Perfect to use the most incredible of the tabloids, to do it too. I think Kiomarie made a mistake, but maybe she felt threatened, maybe putting her story out in public made her feel safer– would you want Cindy coming at you????
Thanks Kate! I know I can always get answers to my questions on this site! Best one around, IMO. Blink you’re awesome!
#247 I think/thought accident but then I read things like your post and I change my mind again to no accident. I guess the only reason I ever thought accident is because I figured she didn’t want the blame the rest of her life so decided to make up the fake Nanny story and then got so far into it with the lies that she actually convinced herself that the lies were true. Then I figured she originally thought everyone would buy the Nanny story and Casey would walk away Scott free and once she realized no one is buying it she had already dug herself into a huge hole that she could not at that time say “just kidding, she drowned by accident”.
# 161 Comment by Charlotte — June 24, 2009 @ 1:50 pm
THANK YOU FOR ASKING THIS VERY QUESTION! I was wondering the exact same thing and was just googling to try and figure it out. I’m afraid of getting blasted on here for not being as knowledgeable as some of the other readers. I used to think I knew great details regarding this case but this site has humbled me dearly. Makes sense why Lee went into hiding and his odd behaviour.
I love when readers ask the same questions I’m too chicken shat to ask.
Peace.
#261; Thanks Martha. I did a lot of reading earlier on in the case in order to to get a perspective on the possible use of zanax as a babysitter substitute. The concept of a drugged toddler in the trunk of Casey’s car on a repeated basis just seemed implausible to me. It also did’t seem to square with the healthy, alert kid Caylee seems to have been.
Although in questioning friends and family about the whereabouts of Casey & Caylee; the OCSO detectives covered May & early June, I just couldn’t find any recorded instances wherein Caylee wasn’t either with Casey or Cindy before June 16.
It irks me when I read (or hear in the media) outrageous theories stated AS IF factual. That doesn’t happen here too much. Blink tends to call it out and ask for references or explanations; for which I am grateful.
OOps, Fair, thanks for the spelling. My last post got in before I saw yours, I was not ignoring your help.
Suz; #254; I did not mean to scoop your excellant post in my reference to the worn tape & the heart sticker residue. In rereading your post, I realize you were already asking that question. Not to mention the interesting points you alluded to concerning the other pieces of tape found at the scene.
Annals post #264- Not sure if it’s the most up to date FBI report, but they compared the knife residue to duct tape adhesive=no match. Was residue and think they are keeping knife for other possible residue comparisons. I just ran across that a few minutes ago looking for tape ref in post 254. and still can’t find those exact pages, but did find more on my own question re: hair tests, which means either I’m just being stupid about the May report (could well be
since FBI cleared hair in Dec report. (eyes rolling…head spinning) Anyway…
pg 18 of 24 in pdf frames: http://www.wftv.com/pdf/19342108/detail.html
It’s been said before, but there is sooooo much info here it’s mind boggling.
Re: the knife, according to the FBI report, no matching duct tape residue was found in the sticky residue on knife Q242 (5598)
No worries, annals—great minds think alike, as they say! But I just assumed the exterior of the duct tape had simply weathered away. Maybe the heart sticker preserved it a bit longer (the plastic heart sticker protected it from the elements for a bit, before it too washed off and adhered to a piece of cardboard)? Dunno!
I’ve seen a couple of posts regarding the use of the term ETOH, and just thought I’d add this….. Years ago, I was a Paramedic, during which one thing we learned was the term ETOH. In that particular field, and I’m guessing LE as well, we were required to ONLY use ETOH when referring to someone in a car accident, fight, etc. Anytime alcohol may have been involved, that’s the way it was reported and/or talked about amongst each other. It had to do with the legal aspect of it. You’re not legally allowed to assume and/or flat out accuse or say that someone is drunk, or I smell alcohol, on the off chance a bystander is listening. Privacy laws ya know. I’m assuming they think the everyday jo walking by or stopping at a wreck might not understand the term. Just thought I’d throw out that F.Y.I
Blink mentions two kinds of Duck Brand duct tape made by (or at least sold by) Henkel. Their site shows 5 grades, one of which (Professioal grade) “tears easily by hand” according to the site. Perhaps Blink was able to eliminate some of them tho and narrow it down to two?
Grades of Duck® Tapes
Ultimate Duck® Tape
Industrial Grade Duck® Tape
Professional Grade Duck® Tape
All-Purpose Grade Duck® Tape
Utility Grade Duck® Tape
http://duckproducts.com/products/subcategory.asp?CatID=1&SubID=1
Blink..do you think Casey left something behind on purpose on July 3rd for someone to find as a clue or to set someone up?? Was that yardwork on July 4th pre-planned or a sudden whim?? Can’t find an answer to that. Also, do you think the family knew where little Caylee was when Casey was out on bail staying at the house??
Oh Blink…I am still trying to figure out this Stephanie girl..works at Amscot (as far as i know, not the one where Casey left the car, but she may know someone who works at that location also), best friends with Jesus and friends with Casey and crew, no interview released etc. Found it odd that out of all her “friends” at that early point, Stephanie was the one to try and visit Casey in jail (also Will Waters??). Do we know if Casey has had any contact with Tony L. or anyone else recently?? (sure there is a VERY slim chance ANYONE would speak with her). Thanks:)
I am a (heretofore) secret Lee Anthony sympathizer. Now I’m otta the closet with that.
I think his ‘out of the lense of the media’ stance of late (and for some time now) is normal. I kinda like his attorney, too. Yes, I know that some of his responses in the M&M deposition seem strange, but he answered all the questions, didn’t he? I’m guessing he knows/knew more than he’s told, but if so, I’m pretty sure he’ll be picked apart about it. I’ll bet he thinks that’s gunna happen, too. And I think that should happen.
I don’t know how easily or with what difficulty he has managed it, but his absence in the media surely proves that it can be done and by an Anthony, no less. (I wonder whether Brad Conway has taken notice of this?)
Thanks, Suz & Riddle, about the residue on the knife. You’re right. I’m not waivering on my statement about the GoGone, tho.
Wendy, interesting info on paramedics and uttering the word alcohol!
Suz- You have a link for those page numbers you’re referencing in p254 ? I don’t print them out, and none of the sites I’m using ref. links by actual pg#, only release dates,etc. Great post, but trying to find those exact pgs is driving me bonkers. Help!! TY.
R
Hi Nickel; did you notice, in his LE interview, Will Waters told them that he was quite taken with Casey when he met her and wanted to get together with her again after his 1st “date” with her. Perhaps he felt sympathy for her regardless of the awful crime she’s accused with. He liked her. He didn’t claim to know her well, so mightn’t have felt betrayed by what she did and didn’t reveal to him.
In contrast, Tony Lazarro was her boyfriend and implied feeling betrayed when he text messaged; “I was your boyfriend who cared about you. And you didn’t tell me your daughter was missing.”
Blink, hi! I’m a reading FAN of your site and all your hard work. Bravo for all that you do!
This could be very far-fetched and inaccurate thought, but does anyone think Casey could have removed a paver or two from underneath the playhouse, to sort of leave as a memorial marker at the site, (sorry-as grim as that idea is), where Caylee was found?
I dont think its far fetched, I think Dom Casey was looking for it for a reason
B
Annals…yes thanks, i did read that Will Waters interview. I agree he was certainly smitten with Casey. I also read that he was bringing her some phone numbers in jail (not sure if this is fact?) but then Casey denied his visit. Funny how she could never face anyone but her family at jail because she knew she could manipulate them oh so well.
Anyone think there is any relevance to the fellow Patrick B. who Casey actually agreed to seeing in jail?? I assume she knew who the visitor was before she saw him but then she seemed to have very little clue who he was when they were face to face?? Why would she agree to that visit?? Also agree with you Annals on Tony feeling betrayed but was wondering if Casey has tried to reach out to him since July 16th..
Just more interested in this Stephanie…seems she may have something to hide (or show to the prosecution). Also, still stuck on July 3rd and what was found and if it was left behind on purpose…
Why couldn’t the defense ‘accident’ theory, be that the baby did it– got into something that poisoned her, like a bottle of pills. Cindy said how important ’safety’ in and around the home was specifically for the baby, so every possible attempt was made to create the safest environment for the child, and lengths that Casey went to, to never even expose her baby to second-hand smoke etc. And it’s completely believable that a daughter of Cindy, would be ‘paralysed’ with fear of what her mother would think so created this ‘fantasy’ world that her daughter ‘never was’, or was in a ’safe place’ and she coped by blanking the horrific accident out of her mind, going and using alcohol, drugs, partied to distraction.
The tape then, if Casey’s prints are on it, would be explained as part of this cover-up of the accident.
Cindy’s media behaviour shows that a daughter would be afraid to admit what happened on ‘her watch’ and how much of that is theatre for the cause.
(not saying that a daughter like Casey, who fought with her mother, isn’t crushed emotionally easily, would really be fearful of Cindy, but instead she would be angry and fight back, but they can try to say poor Casey)
#229….you can add Stephanie Kostakis and Lauren Coppel to that list (unless anyone has seen these interviews)?? Also, anyone know where i can find the most recent list of witnesses for the state?? Curious to see if a few names are on there…thanks
Thanks for the reply, Blink. I can visualize Casey prying a paver loose for such a purpose. I wonder if LE recovered it, (if indeed it was ever placed there), or if it was found and turned into authorities when Dr. G’s team were conducting their amazing work at the site.
Kleat,
In theory your accident sounds plausible on the surface. I’m guessing it goes back to what we don’t know yet. Something made them put DP back on the table, and no pun intended, wasn’t by accident. I can’t imagine that was done to force a plea, but could be knaive on my part to think that way. Still think something specific in evidence had to “spur” it coming back.
….and maybe the prints are what spurred the DP, and could still be explained, but still think there’s too much more we don’t know yet. Prosecution had to consider Def. trying to say accident from Day 1. Don’t you think?
Not when you have a defendant who has pled not guilty prior to the remains recovery, and the recovery concludes that an accident is impossible. Vis E Vie, there are prints on the tape- must be the aggravating factor. The States Burden to seek the death penalty is intact, imo.
B
Riddlemethis, you are right—I should include links, as I have a devil of a time finding them again myself! I don’t even save them to my pc, like a dummy. But all of the discovery docs use those page numbers—look at the handwritten numbers on the bottom righthandside of the pages.
Blink, how come when you and I read “no latent prints found,” you think it means they found kc’s but not lee, cin, or geo?
I know you are going on this: Duct tape pieces Q62 – Q64 were examined by FBI along with K10 Elimination of George Anthony, K11 Elimination of Cindy Anthony, and K12 Elimination of Lee Anthony. Report says “The requested latent print examinations were conducted, but no latent prints were found.”
(5582)
But why are you so SURE as to what this means? Why dould it not mean that NO prints were found. Also, the report did not ask “well, did you find anyone other than the Ants?” It could after all be a killer who is not one of the anthonys. Would they not look for that?
I am just curious as I am puzzled by the wording.
That is specifically what it is designed to do. If they did not find any prints, who would they need to eliminate them from in the first place. There has to be a latent to compare for elimination purposes in the first place.
B
Frank McKeever?? Blink, should i continue this path?? What i found so far is very interesting..just not sure if it is relevant??
Lol, I am beginning to heart Nickel.
Group, wanna field this one?
B
I was just reviewing old transcripts on http://www.cnn.com/ng and was reviewing cindy”s first interview with ng 7/17 and 7/18 I caught the remark ca made about how kc came back to the house to um get some things after she left with caylee. Seems eerie now
blink,was there a life insurance policy on caylee? how much is the cheapest funeral,burial? money is a major part of this ,imo
Uh oh….did i miss the boat on this one already?? Sorry Blink:) Am i starting to annoy you with my endless questions??
Ref. post 281 I’m thinking the same thing as rita with the cement pavers, being used to mark where the body was left hence Dominic Casey kept looking for pavers. And it seems like I remember Cindy saying that some pavers were moved or missing (this was around the time the cadaver dogs were used)
One thing keeps running through my mind that someone commented about… Caylee was getting more verbal.. Able to “talk” more about things around her. I have wondered over and over what could she have possibly done with that poor girl when she would go out.. It just makes my heart break thinking of the possiblities..
I have 2 little boys and their grandma lives with us and I can tell you that daily when they get home she asks them about their day and what did they do at daycare ect.. they talk, by name, about the provider and the other kids at daycare and this has been since they were in their twos…
You can not tell me Cindy or George didn’t ask her about her days or what she did and with who and would have some kind of concern about the responses.. I mean RIGHT??? Am I way off and my family is just totally different and nosey??
uh,Nickle, plese tell what you found on Frank McKeever. I don’t think you missed the boat. From Blinks responce, looks like it’s an iceburg - bigger than a boat. I’m gunna go search.
Ok- the 3rd of July…….Cindy supposedly went to Universal looking for Caylee. This would be the point where she finds out- “I’m sorry Ma’am but Casey Anthony hasn’t worked here since ‘06″. This is the moment they all knew things had gone wrong…..very wrong. Do you think they put this together along with the other “clues” they found at the house at this time? Someone from the Anthony home started calling Fusion around this same time too- George sits on his Gluteus Maximus everyday of the year except the July 4th holiday- this is the day he decides to replace a paver in their yard. What took place on the 3rd day of July Blink? You have to tell us.
This the one and the same?? Casey’s age, Universal connection (Back to the Future character), Myspace page two years out of date… last login, Oct 18, 2007. Has Caylee’s wide arching eyebrows, wide eyes… (well, looks sort of like Lee’s eyes in the profile photo)
http://www.myspace.com/mckeevercomedy
She did not even know McSkeeve then.
B
remembering something about a ‘Casey story’ about a one night stand with a co-worker at Universal, no name given.
Yeah you the Grand Cypress might be a good place to look I hear..
B
http://media.myfoxorlando.com/photogalleries/092308leeanthony/1/lg/DOC_20080923141138_000_Page_05.htm lee offers to check on caylee at the babysitters as proof to cindy that caylee is at the babysitters,CASEY responds “mom ,wont allow that to happen” cindy says “unacceptable,i dont want to just see her……” does this make sense to anyone ? IMO ,WHAT WAS FOUND IN THE BACK YARD WAS THAT CAYLEE’S BODY WASNT WERE THEY PUT IT,CUZ CASEY STOLE IT” IMO IMO DISCLAIMER IMO
Wendy- the story is posted in a comment someone left to the story of Haylee Donathan on Beacon Hell. to go straight to the story, here is the link. http://www.saveaaliyah.com/
I was hoping Blink might be able to tell if it was for real or not.
I cannot vouche for anothers work or would I, but since you put the title out there, I am familiar with it, and I refused to load it personally so I could not tell you anyway.
B
(btw, nickle, you are doin’ just fine!!! Thanks… for the latest search topic… new to me….
Oh…there is so much to find on this Frank Mckeever! Including him being a MAJOR scam artist (check/credit card fraud, computer sales, possible theft??), dealing in cars, on-line gambling problems and he had contact with Casey in July 08′ as far as i can see ao far. Much more to research but have not figured out what is fact yet and am not exactly sure how he fits into this whole tragedy (if he does at all, may just be another shady person in “Casey world”). Not thinking he has anything to do with Caylee (yet) but too many things are coming up to ignore. Hope i am not wasting time on this loser….lol
wow… people have said in the past that this guy or that guy looks just like Caylee, I’ve never see it but then maybe haven’t seen the photos they are looking at.
But anyone see things in these photos that look familiar? Maybe imagination here, but wow… even in ‘aged makup’… remarkable….
Blink, do you have copies of the videos that were removed from the Myspace page? That bottom right photo is… well, it’s spot on imho.
Not sure what your referrring to
B
McSkeeve…lol..Love it Blink!!
When Patrick B. went to see Casey in jail, a Frank was scheduled but it looks like he never showed?? Trying to see if there is any connection to this Patrick B. and McSkeeve (if i may use that Blink:)!!
Blink, on the myspace page for McKeever, if you click on the photos on the right side, either or, you will be taken to YouTube and it says ‘video removed by user’ so those photos were videos in the past.
Blink,
TY and see what you mean p288, but this is where the ‘dream team’ really scares me. “and the recovery concludes that an accident is impossible.” How well are the..D.T. (I bit my tongue on more creative acronyms)… going to be able to punch holes in that? as an impossibility? …and is there ANY way they can cast doubt w/o putting her on the stand? Thinking out loud…..
The only comfort I can find is that they’d nearly HAVE to put her on the stand if they claim accident. I and I don’t see that happening. Zero credibility since way before Caylee went missing. Not only that she’d turn the jury off IMO, some actress, but her demeanor has cracks. One wise ass remark or look under cross and she’s done.
Think I’m too immersed right now to think objectively from a juror standpoint in totality. Like you said, likely not going to trial.. fingers crossed.
There is also a Frank McKeeve Author of “Night Force”.
“The world isn’t a friendly place. People turn up missing almost daily, crimes go unsolved, and criminals go unpunished.” Sounds more like something Casey might have come accross in her daily searches…..hmmm!!!!!
Blink!!!!
P290….you are so damn smart….I’m not kidding. I am ever amazed.
Nope, just learned to read, re read, make yourself take opposing views and argue the merits, but ty
B
McKeever’s Myspace page only lasted 5 weeks, wonder when he was arrested and if that is the reason he’s stopped posting (if it’s the same guy), and Casey left a message on his page in July 08 apparently, but I am not a member so can’t see that.
McKeever and Casey had text (?) conversations on June 10th, and another communication on June 11th. McKeever’s name is listed with the word ’scam’.
Was Casey planning something with this guy, something fraudulent possibly? Why would she list ’scam’ on his name with her cell phone?
Response to #285.
I’ve been looking for an updated witness list since Caylee’s remains were found without success. Here is the list released on December 3. **Jay Ferrell was not identified in any way on the SAO’s list, so I have two Jay Ferrell’s on my list who may be the guy (no confirmation). My list is alphabetized by first name with identifying information after the colon. There are 143 names on my list. Obviously missing: the MEs, Tammy Uncer, Susan Spears, the CSIs who worked the crime scene, etc.
Adriana Acevado, Deputy: Kronk 911 Responder
Alina K. Burroughs: Orange County Sheriff’s Office
Amanda Macklin: Sawgrass Apartments Management
Amy Huizenga: Friend of Casey Anthony
Ann Marie Chase: Mother of Mark Hawkins, who saw Casey alone at
Target on July 10
Anne Lenington: Mount Dora Nursing and Rehabilitation Center (Alex Plesea)
Annie Downing: Best friend of Casey Anthony circa 2007
Anthony Lazzaro: Casey Anthony’s most recent boyfriend
Anthony Rusciano: Former shag of Casey Anthony and former OCSO deputy
Appling Wells, Deputy: Orange County Sheriff’s Office
Arpad Vass, PhD: Univ. of TN’s Oak Ridge National Laboratory - The Body Farm
Awilda McBryde: Orange County Sheriff’s Office
Bobby Lee Williams: Tattoo artist who created Bella Vita tattoo on July 3
Brian Burner: Neighbor of Cindy and George Anthony who loaned shovel to Casey Anthony
Brittany Schieber: Friend of Casey Anthony
Bryan Tittle: Orange County Sheriff’s Office
Cameron Campana: Roommate of Tony Lazzaro at Sutton Place
Cary T. Oien: FBI Laboratory
Catherine E. Theisen, PhD: FBI Laboratory
Charity R. Beasley, Deputy: Orange County Sheriff’s Office
Christine Narkiewicz: Orange County Sheriff’s Office
Christopher Dillon: Orange County Sheriff’s Office
Christopher Stutz: Friend of Casey Anthony
Custodian of Records: AT&T Wireless
Custodian of Records: Blockbuster
Custodian of Records: Brighthouse
Custodian of Records: Gentiva Health
Custodian of Records: Johnson’s Wrecker Service
Custodian of Records 911 Calls: Orange County Sheriff’s Office
Cynthia Anthony: Casey Anthony’s mother & Caylee Anthony’s grandmother
Dannielle Lucey-Austin: Manager at Chuck E Cheese, Orlando
Danny Colamarino: Works at tattoo parlor that Casey Anthony visited
Dante Salati: Friend of Casey Anthony and former boyfriend of Annie Downing
Dave Turner: Sawgrass Apartments Maintenance
David D. Clarke: Orange County Sheriff’s Office
David E. Spall, Deputy: Orange County Sheriff’s Office
David Glasgow, PhD: Univ. of TN’s Oak Ridge National Laboratory - The Body Farm
Dawn Murray: Department of Children and Families
Debbie Abney: FDLE Agent
Dee Crawford: Event Imaging Solutions Group (Universal)
Dennis Moonsammy, Sgt.: Orange County Corrections
Dianne Tighe: Colorvision (Universal)
Dolores “Dee” Crawford: Event Imaging Solutions Group (Universal)
Dorothy A. Rivera (Montes), Deputy: Orange County Sheriff’s Office
Elizabeth Fontaine: FBI Laboratory
Eric Edwards: Orange County Sheriff’s Office
Gary Ridgeway: Johnson’s Wrecker Service
George Anthony: Casey Anthony’s father & Caylee Anthony’s grandmother
George Duke: Metropolitan Bureau of Investigation, Orlando
Gerardo Bloise, CSI: Orange County Sheriff’s Office
Harry Garcia: Sawgrass Apartments Sales Consultant
Iassen Donov: Friend of Casey Anthony and roommate of Sean and Jonathan Daly
Jamie Realander: Fusion Shot Girl
Jason Forgey, Deputy: Orange County Sheriff’s Office
Jay Ferrell: Colonial High School, Orlando, Class of 2004**
Jay Ferrell, PhD: Florida Weed Science Society**
Jean Couty: Neighbor of Cindy and George Anthony who said she heard fighting
Jeffrey Dale Hopkins II: Friend and high school classmate of Casey
Jeffrey Dale Hopkins, Sr.: Jeffrey Hopkins II’s father
Jerold White, Deputy: Orange County Sheriff’s Office
Jessie Grund: Casey Anthony’s ex-fiance
John Allen, Sgt.: Orange County Sheriff’s Office
John Azzilonna: Fusion Photographer
John Philip (JP) Chatt: Roommate of Ricardo Morales and owner of Glenwood Ave. condo
Jonathan Daly: Friend of Casey and piercer at Cast Iron Tattoos
Joy McCabe: Orange County Sheriff’s Office
Karen Angel: Mount Dora Nursing and Rehabilitation Center (Alex Plesea)
Karen Korsberg Lowe: FBI Laboratory
Kari Roderick: Orange County Sheriff’s Office
Katherine Sanchez: Amscot manager
Katie Sue Robinson: Acquaintance of Casey and resident of Sawgrass Apartments
Kelly Y. Deguzman: Orange County Sheriff’s Office
Kevin S. Kraubetz, Deputy: Orange County Sheriff’s Office
Kevin Stenger, Sgt.: Orange County Sheriff’s Office
Kiomarie Cruz: Friend of Casey Anthony
Kristina Chester: Friend of Casey Anthony
Lance Charles White: Cast Iron Tattoo Employee
Lauren Gibbs: Friend of Casey Anthony
Lee Anthony: Casey Anthony’s brother & Caylee Anthony’s uncle
Leonard Turtora: Human Resources, Universal
Madhavi Martin, PhD: Univ. of TN’s Oak Ridge National Laboratory - The Body Farm
Mallory Parker: Lee Anthony’s girlfriend
Marc Wise, PhD: Univ. of TN’s Oak Ridge National Laboratory - The Body Farm
Maria Kissh: Girlfriend of Clint House
Mark Hawkins: Friend of Casey Anthony and Marine in California
Mark S. Hussey, Deputy: Orange County Sheriff’s Office
Marlene Baker: Orange County Corrections
Matthew Crisp: Friend of Casey Anthony; manager of Cranes Landing Apartments
Matthew J. Irwin, Commander: Orange County Sheriff’s Office
Melina Calabrese: Friend of Casey Anthony
Melissa England: Girlfriend of Troy Brown
Melissa Hopkins: Jeffrey Hopkins II’s mother
Melissa Remy: FDLE
Michael Burnett, PhD: Univ. of TN’s Oak Ridge National Laboratory - The Body Farm
Michael D. Seagraves, Deputy: Orange County Sheriff’s Office
Michael K. Erickson: Orange County Sheriff’s Office
Michael Kispert: Orange County Sheriff’s Office
Michael Kozak: Kodak Manager
Michael P. Rickenbach: FBI Laboratory
Michael Sigman, PhD: UCF Laboratory
Michael Vincent: Orange County Sheriff’s Office
Nathan Lezniewicz: Roommate of Tony Lazzaro at Sutton Place
Nicholas Savage: FBI Special Agent
Nicole Lett: Johnson’s Wrecker Service
Pedro Rivera: Orange County Sheriff’s Office
Peter Marino, Deputy: Orange County Sheriff’s Office
Reginald O. Hosey: Orange County Sheriff’s Office
Rendon Fletcher, Deputy: Orange County Sheriff’s Office
Renee Simpson: Valencia Community College
Ricardo Lee: Orange County Sheriff’s Office
Ricardo Morales: Casey Anthony’s ex-boyfriend
Rich Garrad: Carlson Restaurants, Texas (TGIF)
Richard Grund: Father of Jessie Grund, former babysitter of Caylee
Anthony
Rick Plesea: Cindy Anthony’s brother
Robert R. Salamat, Deputy: Orange County Sheriff’s Office
Rosanna Bonilla: Resident of 301 Hillside, senior facility, talked
with LE during search for ZFG
Roy (Clint) House: Former roommate of Tony Lazzaro
Ryan Eberlin, Deputy: Orange County Sheriff’s Office
Ryan Pasley: Best friend (male) of Casey Anthony since childhood
Ryan Williams, Deputy: Orange County Sheriff’s Office
Samara Melich, Deputy: Orange County Sheriff’s Office
Sandra G. Cawn, Deputy: Orange County Sheriff’s Office
Scott Bolin: FBI Special Agent
Sean Daly: Friend of Casey Anthony
Shelly Meade: Orange County Sheriff’s Office
Shirley Plesea: Grandmother of Casey Anthony and great-grandmother of Caylee Anthony
Simon Birch: Johnson’s Wrecker Service manager
Steven John McElyea: FBI Special Agent
Susan Hempfield, Deputy: Orange County Sheriff’s Office
Susan V. Carver, Deputy: Orange County Sheriff’s Office
Tanya DePalmo: Orange County Sheriff’s Office
Teddy Pieper: Fusion Photographer
Thomas Galaida: Tom’s Auto Repair (Tony’s jeep)
Tom Manderville: Orange County Sheriff’s Office
Troy Brown: Roommate of Amy Huizenga and former boyfriend of Lauren Coppell
Vickie Aleman: Acquaintance of Casey
Victoria Alveron: Mount Dora Nursing and Rehabilitation Center (Alex Plesea)
Wendy Gallant: Photobucket
William E. Moore: Metropolitan Bureau of Investigation, Orlando
William M. McCoy: Orange County Sheriff’s Office
William Procknow: Department of Children and Families
William Waters: Friend of Casey Anthony
Yuri Melich, Corporal: Orange County Sheriff’s Office
Zenaida Gonzalez: Visited Sawgrass; name a close match Caylee’s phantom nanny
GOTCHA, Blink, the Grand C. is right there too, isn’t it. Come full circle on that one!!! You enjoy this doncha!!!
A Little I admit, but I will say this, If I am wrong the line will be forming around the block for the I told you so, And I will take it, lol
B
Talking about lines forming; I just loved the OCSO interview with the Dickens. Mr Dickens ended by saying; ‘and boyfriends lined up to see that girl goes to Toledo Ohio and back.’
Having grown up in Toledo, I just loved that.
Didn’t Frank McKeever work for Lexus with Annie and Ricardo, et al?
Thanks Maura #315.
Blink, but that little exercise revealed a lot of what I missed and about JO. I hope it’s not someone like the other guy, the child would never have had hope with him.
I have to say I believed little Caylee died in the 1st hour when Casey grabbed her upped and left the house from her argument with Cindy and I firmly believe she choked her to death to strike out at Cindy and she put the tape on after death to stop leakage and also disacociated from what she did. I also believe she visited once where she put Caylee. Even though I think she was distressed over what she did her personality disorder put her right back in the Me Me person that she grew up to be.
blink, casey’s fingerprints on the duct tape will be very major, but it doesnt answer was it murder or a negligent accident with staged kidnapping (as they will more than likely claim).what will answer that ? the timing of the duct tape and other things like…? the pic: girl with the hung bear why do they kill people who kill people?posted july 8 ,this speaks volumes to me.http://www.docstoc.com/docs/1603690/casey-anthony-computer-report
duh…. ok, caught your addition to my post and see that Casey didn’t know McScam in ‘07. Thanks…. checking that one off the list!!
can anyone offer up a valid explaination of that photo?
redranger, is she having nightmares?
It does seem oretty clear watching this tragedy play out observing the a family members from day one covering for kc but at the same time pointing to her guilt. They never provided an alibi or any supporting evidence to prove her innocense. Not a single verifiable fact. But I am wondering about the date 6/9 given both by cindy and kc as the last time they saw caylee and am wondering if this was a an attempt to provide an alibi for someone? The le was going by this date initially until a neighbor told le they saw caylee on 6/12. Also I am wondering if the shorts mentioned in the autopsy were placed there much later in an attempt to validate the description of what caylee was wearing on 6/16 that was given by ga.
blink after the case is done everyone involved can talk and discuss right?i hope your planning BIG IDEAS for that,YOU SHOULD!i’d love to hear a yuri &co. interview. an indepth analytical question & answer with blink ,exclusive.
You have my word. I stand for Caylee.
B
Hi all , I am new here and find everyone very intersting thru this discussion. I have been following from day 1 and had the chance to visit Caylees memorial back in April, well when it was still there. Which brings me to this ? Blink the babydoll had no clothes on when found in the car if that was Caylees clutch when going anywhere and was left behind even if Cindy washed it shouldnt some kind of chemicle be in the creases of the hands feet head? It looks as if it was plastic and cloth sewn together if u remove those parts maybe find something? Not much mentioned about this doll for it to be so important to Caylee. Justice will prevail sweet little angel! ty blink
kleat, i just had a bad thought from a post of yours a while back, what did keith williams find a bag of ? stuffed what? where? i am just thinking about that girl pic
susan, my guess is that you will have to wait for psychologists to argue that one out, maybe you can find something online that discusses it.
One thought that crossed my mind, is the ‘teaching a lesson’ theme. A child, like Casey growing up, who is having problems with parents, might be told that you are being punished so you learn a lesson. Maybe she didn’t care about her decisions that she made and whether they hurt someone or not, stealing, lying, driving drunk and getting flat tires, risk taking without limits, for example. So maybe she was told by her parents, you do that again and I’ll do this, to ‘teach you a lesson’. Maybe this was a reoccuring theme heard from her parents when she got into trouble and it’s repeated by Casey in the ‘nanny is taking Caylee away from me she said, to teach me a lesson for a period of time, like a ‘time out’, a grounding, or another consequence as a more mature Casey.
This isn’t based on any knowledge on my part, I just noticed the link to the ‘lesson’ as so many of Casey’s ideas for her stories, come from some bit of truth she knows. Maybe she is wondering about the consequences if she kills someone and the consequences of taking that risk, a risk that she wants to take to make her life better.
nightmares at this point, what about setting up a defense from jail… but does the behaviour fit, I’ve heard some comment that it does not (but that was probably a short video clip from NG or something… I think we will have to wait and see, I doubt the nightmare thing though, unless they are all about her. No way nightmares about the baby, she does not feel guilt, remorse, sadness for loss of the baby, it’s not haunting her.
AAAARRRRRGGGGHHH! Do you know how it feels to have the brain of a potato amidst all you brainiacs? Every once in a while I have a eureka moment and a flash of illumination when some cryptic comment or clue will suddenly take shape and from the mist of confusion will become a cohesive, solid piece of information. But sadly, those moments are the exception. Most of the time I’m staring at my monitor with an open mouth as drool drips down my chin, soiling my keyboard.
I know, I know. I know what I have to do. I have to keep reading and re-reading, right? ‘K! Thank you all for forcing me to use my brain. In the meantime I am trying to compile a list of all the evidence, forensics, interviews etc. that we still haven’t heard about. Also does anyone here think there’s a possibility Baez will be tossed from the case like rotten pizza once the Florida Bar has concluded their complaints? I believe D. Casey has registered the complaint because he was told to “not call 911 if he found the body” ~ but what else was he told to do? And who told him? Once the judge heard the initial complaint he added his own complaint which moved it up a notch. Apparently only 10% ever make it past the first level so it’s pretty serious whatever it is. My apologies if this has all been discussed. Am off to re-read!
Not true Bees, you have the gift of Funny and the tenacity for whatever else.. admirable and thanks for the giggle.
B
Can anybody answer this question? Does the prosecution have to disclose everything before the trial starts or can new information/evidence be admitted after the trial has begun?
Blink youve said on several occasions you think Casey will take a plea, but in order to get a plea bargain she has to tell the truth.
I cannot see Casey telling the truth, I dont believe she is even capable of it. Sociopaths lack anxiety as I understand it and when I remember her initial taped interview with the police when she was first detained, she calmly led them on a wild goose chase right up to even taking them to Universal studio to her so-called office before
admitting she didnt work there. I dont know of any 22 year olds under those circumstances that could have calmly done such a thing. Do you believe that Baez has the information about her prints on the duct tape and that is why she must eventually cop a plea? Because barring a smoking gun and that Baez is aware of such a thing, I cannot see his advising her to plea either.
Yes, but the “truth” she tells is based on what the State will “buy” if indeed she spins it. I KNOW Baez knows her prints on the duct tape. There is no speculation on my part, he knows.
B
#291 nickel — Is McKeever connected in some way to so many of CA’s friends who worked at Don Reid Ford?
the only explanation i can can come up for girl.jpg posted july 8 is casey’s guilt, she was concerned about the dp after contemplating her deed,or it was a threat of sorts from cindy.
Speaking of not doing one’s homework . . . I’m a right plank for posting the above.
Felix, why a right plank?? Was he??
Why did Casey text him and back and forth on June 10?? Why does his name on her phone include the word ’scam’? What were they up to? Or was she just connecting him to the ’situation’ as a suspect– maybe someone who was involved in some kidnap scheme because of something Casey got herself into with bad people (suggested by George very early on to LE). And where is he now? Why no interview available?
Okay been reading VEWY closely…
In post 281 I got an answer to one question HA!
Also Blink
If you say you don’t think KC knows the prints on the tape how would Jose not tell her that information?
Or do you think he doesn’t want to “stress” her out.?
I don’t even know who MCQueezer is… hehe sorry forgot how to spell it too and I am just too tired and lazy right now to look it up!
Nancy, i never said KC didnt know here prints were on the tape? Im positive she does.
B
This is now debunked, but this is I guess, the connection I was making ‘by memory’.
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_gSlMm4Ee2BA/SJ3TZ-nyimI/AAAAAAAAB3w/gFPDROfVDXY/s1600-h/Caylee+Anthony+2.jpg
and compare to the McKeever with make-up as Doc character from Back to the Future, at Universal:
http://www.myspace.com/mckeevercomedy
I guess it was the pose and the mouth, but first, it was the eyes (without aging makeup) in the profile photo– wide arching eyebrows, large eyes.
But it’s been debunked… oh well, better that Caylee has not got a criminal for a father (too).
I have a question….what do you think the exchange between Cindy and Casey was about when Cindy said during the jail visit “we forgive you for whatever you may have said” and Casey replied with “Oh, don’t worry, I haven’t said anything”.
What do you believe that was specifically about?
#338 Kleat — A right plant as in thick as . . . .
I had never heard of the geezer’s name before reading recent posts here and it seems that it’s been out and about for quite awhile.
Any reference to cars/autos shouts out Don Reid Ford to me. Annie, Ricardo, the ex of Troy Brown (I can’t recall now because I ate 2 tacos).
I’m being facetious, up to a point, but I was unaware that that so much information was out and about. And perhaps it’s all for naught. I just think there’s a nexus.
Blink,
I’m surprised that Downing and Rusciano have not been brought up. I personally believe that both are lying about Casey’s use of “zani” (Xanax). I think that Annie supplied it, and Rusciano was fully aware of the affects it had on Casey’s daughter - Caylee slept soundly while Casey would “play.”
The instant messages between Casey and Rusciano are very telling. Zani is never spelled Zanny, as in a faux nanny Zenaida. It’s spelled zani as in zani-bar or rather Xanax. And in this case, Zani has been personified - Rusciano tells Casey that she can bring her daughter over as long as she’s with “another adult.” Here they are talking about the drug, not a nanny. It’s not like he’s saying, “Oh sure, bring your daughter over here with the babysitter.” He’s saying, “Well, as long as she’s with the other adult (meaning she’s on Xanax, and I know she’ll stay asleep), then yeah, bring her over.”
Then Casey mentions that Zani has to pick up her dog in Oviedo. Now Zani is Annie, the supplier. See? The reference “Zani” works two ways with Casey. Zani: the drug Xanax. And Zani: the nanny, a.k.a. Annie Downing. But Zani, in reference to Annie, has to pick up her dog, so Casey can’t get any Xanax. This is probably Annie’s dog that Caylee loved and talked about often, at least according to Cindy Anthony.
Remember, Rusciano lied about even knowing Casey. Then he got caught in his lie and finally admitted their affair. But even though he lost his job over this indiscretion, there was no way this former police officer was willing to admit that he was aware of Casey drugging her daughter so that she could have uninterrupted sex with him.
And Annie? Well, listen to her interviews. Listen to how, after lawyering up even, she is extremely nervous and tearful at times. Especially when it comes to the questions regarding her access do Xanax, and whether or not she gave Xanax to Casey.
Later, in Casey and Rusciano’s instant messaging, Casey is frustrated that she can’t reach “zani” and then berates her mother for not getting any meds for her back. (Cindy apparently could not baby-sit because she had injured herself doing yardwork.) Casey expresses her disbelief that Cindy, who is a nurse, doesn’t get anything for her pain. I think this is yet another reference to Casey’s frustration that there are no prescription meds in the house for her to fall back on while Annie is unavailable and her mother is unwilling to baby-sit.
All of this communication happened in May ‘08, way before the name Zenaida Gonalez was ever mentioned. So, IMHO, I believe that Zani, the nanny, was code for both Xanax, the drug, and Annie, the drug supplier. And I think phone records could probably prove that while Casey was instant messaging Rusciano, she was also trying to phone Annie Downing. But has LE looked into this further? Are they even questioning whether Downing and Rusciano told the whole truth?
Uhoh Jill, and your not even new here, lol?
Annie is a central figure in this case, but imo, not for the Xanax. Have you ever read my piece on Annie and Zannis’s Excellent Adventure?
B
Hey Susan re:325. The source is the National Enquirer. It has been repeated on many legitimate news shows but they do give their source as The Enquirer. In recent years they have made a part time practice of digging up some truth and printing it, along with the two headed alien impregnating Miley, or whatever. So I am giving it about a 70-30 chance of being true.
Still waiting to hear: why can Casey not just plead to the check fraud charges? I keep thinking about it, but cannot come up with anything except what I posted much earlier.
RE #334.”Sociopaths lack anxiety” Casey’s been looking very anxious the last few times in court, she’s touching her hair non stop, tugging at her clothes, looks to be taking deep breaths a lot so I think it’s starting to hit her that she’s not going to get away with this. And I agree her prints are DEFINITELY on that tape and the DP lawyer knows that.
“I KNOW Baez knows her prints on the duct tape. There is no speculation on my part, he knows.”
B
Okay Blinky,
WHEN are those results going to be released to us? Never, because the FBI did the processing? How does Baez know, if they haven’t been released? Have they been released to Baez in discovery? Please hint, my cranium will otherwise explode.
They will probably not be prior to trial. There are many exclusions to public discovery that are a part of the Sunshine Laws. I know alot of people are of the opinion we will know everything, not the case.
B
Still trying to keep up with all the theories on this site, but I do have a comment for #330 Kleat. I have believed all along that what Casey was telling everyone (Zanny took Caylee to teach her a lesson) was Casey’s way of telling her mother (this is to teach YOU a lesson).
Secondly, I am confused as to why you think (know) that the Anthony’s as well as Casey KNOW her prints were on the tape. Wouldn’t they be MORE upset, wouldn’t they be trying to take a different approach than still maintaining that she is innocent???????????
Hi Guys, fairly new to this but oh, the information is outstanding.
Am trying to connect all the dots and have been reading everything
twice but so much is new info that I have to re-read everything again.
Blink, P.343 you refer to your piece on Annie and Zanni’s Excellent adventure.
Anybody, where would I fine that?
In RE: 346, I think Casey’s preening is more nervous, than anxious. Anxiety generally stems from fear, and nerves from apprehension. May seem like an argument of semantics, but I believe there is a big difference.
After re-reading my previous post, I apologize if I sounded “snarky”. I guess what I was trying to relay is that I don’t think Casey is afraid (anxious), but rather nervous (how do I look, etc.). Not really relevant to anything, but just thought I would put that out there.
as some else said, i am stunned by the talent on this site. i am hardly able to keep up!!!! my brain feels like it is practically mush. jills post #343 was really good. i hadnt even thought of that. also i havent read zanni and annies excellent adventure–no sure where to go to look it up–could someone advise if it is not too much trouble?
Blink, where can I read your piece on Annie and Zanni’s Excellent Adventure? Thanks!
Will we ever see the results of Casey’s mental health exams? She claims she took the MMPI (Minnesota Multiphasic Instrument, which can give really incisive results about criminal tendencies and other pathological behaviors) and that the results were “normal.” I don’t believe “normal” is the type of answer the MMPI provides (it’s like saying your myers-briggs was normal instead of giving your four letter type—it’s a meaningless answer). Or will HIPAA preclude us from seeing them UNLESS she goes with an insanity defense?
With Casey’s fingerprints on the duct tape, I’m sorry folks, but she’s toast. There is no explaining that away, even if she claims to have used it to tape the American flag to her body the month prior. The location of the prints, in relation to the position of the tape over Caylee’s mouth and nose, would have come after that party was held in May 2008.
Love reading here.
Did Frank McKeever provide Casey with fake identification (drivers license)maybe one with Amy H.’s information and another with Zeinda’s informfation. Casey provides I.D. while she was writing checks from Amy’s checkbook.
Also, in the bag found by Keith williams there was only one sandle. Was the mate to that sandle found on July 3rd, in the Anthony backyard?
Please excuse me if these are not valid questions or have been answered in the past.
Martha; #348; I am so pleased to give you the link to Annie & Zanny’s Excellent Adventure. It’s priceless. Blink did it before she spun off Sacred Monkeys to these new digs. Don’t know if you knew the commection of this site with Scared Monkeys. As Blink might say; Same peeps.
http://scaredmonkeys.com/2009/01/16/zenaida-gonzalez-annie-leigh-downing%e2%80%99s-excellent-adventure-zannie-and-annie-go-to-traffic-court/#more-6518
Thank You Kindly Annals
B
My last post; commection=connection
I don’t want to be hated on this site, so I hope it’s understood that I strongly, but very respectfully disagree with #343jills theory. Notice I said respectfully, as I know we each have our own opinions, and I do respect that.
With that said…. I’m not sure if I feel that the theory in that post is giving Casey (incredibly) too much credit for such an elaborate thought process, or if it’s just that I simply disagree that she would have gone to such trouble…. mainly because of sheer laziness, lack of caring, thought, etc.???? I’m just not sure, can’t put my finger on it. But (imo) the xanax theory I’ve heard many times, from many people, is just wayyyyyy toooooo out there. Understand, I’m not saying she was above giving Caylee xanax, but naming it Zanny, coming up with a person at Sawgrass with the same name, etc…all to cover the use of the drug while she had sex with someone? hmmmmm is all I say to that. As I said, not above her giving the drug, just the rest of the well thought out theory.
I can’t be certain of some things, but I can be certain of at least one thing, and that one thing goes without anyone having to tell me yes or no. Cindy Anthony has struck me as a pain med. addict from day one. I know many of them, worked with them, and she has every classic symptom there is. So I suppose in Jill’s post, there is some truth, and that would be that Cindy was attempting to get something for her back, although knowing her she got it, rather than not. This whole situation has made it worse for her (imo)…example, gum chewing, constant sipping on water, extreme dry mouth, mood swings, and just a general look about her that you’d just had to have seen before on others.
Anyway, I’m not sure where to find the zanny adventures either, but would like to read it.
Oh come on Blink….waiting, waiting, waiting for the next part
It will be worth it, I promise.
B
Blink, I have a baby shower to give tomorrow….do you know when your next piece will be available for us to read? I’m addicted! I used to be the same way with CSO now, I’m here reading everyday….every comment…..and letting the little wheels in my brain decipher all of this nonsense!
Joyce Bailey Dickens 7/22/08 (Anthony’s Neighbor) - Title of video on Sierra’s channel. EXCELLENT!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SBGyYFwtTK
Joan (Canada), welcome!
I’d like to make a suggestion and that is to go back in the history of this site– scroll back, wayyyyyyyy back. All of Blink’s articles are here and don’t forget some have ‘more’ links to the rest of the story, not just on a first page so look for that. The Annie and Zannie’s great adventure story is there, a great piece on The Ritz, cream puffs– or was that crab puffs, and all. Lots… it’s all here.
#354 Suz, would you be able to tell us where you got that info?? When did she (i assume you mean Casey?) state she took the MMPI and it was “normal”?? I have not heard this yet??
Blink…please don’t keep us waiting too long for the next streak of genius:)..I need to stop with this Frank M. thing…lol I am hitting a wall on it..but i think the names we have heard the least may have the most importance..
Rita, (post #281), yeah… like George said in his M&M depo, all the pavers were used, ‘there were no pavers in the garage, SIR!’ (paraphrasing). So that means, no paver for Casey to pop into the trunk from the garage pavers.
Good point, fits with Casey’s ’statement’ read by Baez last winter, when Casey did not want her mother to cremate the body, but she wanted instead to have a ‘grave marker’ so she could go back and visit. Grave marker was a paver (until all this is over and she gets back to her normal life and can bury the baby herself).
And on that thought, WHY would Casey want to memorialize a dead child that she didn’t want and killed because she was in the way? (good defence point so far) Because wouldn’t that make Casey the center of attention again? Young mother lost kidnapped and murdered baby, the attention of ‘the world’, all that attention would, in Casey’s mind when (when all this is over), shift right to her! Just like when the baby was smaller, the attention was on Casey as the mom, until the baby started to grow older, make more demands on her life and lifestyle, have tantrums.
Tantrums and bother are gone, but with a gravemarker, she could go visit and be the ‘grieving mom’ for whatever attention that can get her.
oh duh, of course ALL the attention is on Casey right now– so long as she doesn’t talk, cut a deal and end the control she has over everyone from those most involved, to the media and all who follow the case.
If everyone stopped anything public, all media froze in time, all the public stopped watching, stopped commenting, stopped being interested, Casey would have far less control than she does. Cindy was a huge part in giving her this control by Cindy’s ‘antics’ and media hounding.
(of course that’s not going to happen now, Casey will lose her control the hard way)
Oh and this is a repeat question (sorry) but i never found an answer..Does anyone know if the work done in the backyard on July 4th was planned in advance or a sudden whim so to speak….
After seeing the call log again for July 3rd i am convinced they found something that truly frightened them..they were desperate
Frank McKeever uses the name Thomas Franck on myspace (same name Casey used for her imaginary boss at Universal which oddly enough Frank sells auto parts for Universal Auto Parts, or something very similiar to that..)
Learning the type of complete scammer (even in Caseys phonebook he is listed as scam) this guy was fits right in with Casey (fake id, check/credit card fraud, etc). Sorry this may be a confusing post but there is sooo much on this guy i am having a hard time keeping it straight. I refuse to start keeping a notebook..lol Frank Mckeever helped her out in one way or another, possibly without even knowing it.. Am i getting warmer or colder Blink??
Kleat, thank you for the info. Will definitely do that. Like I said previously, totally amazed at the info here.
I’ll go read now and hopefully come back with some intelligent questions.
See you later and again a big thanks.
If Casey knows her prints are on the tape…Baez knows her prints are on the tape…probably LKB and Lyons know too, then why don’t they just plead now and get it over with? I agree with you, Blink, that this case will never go to trial, she will plead. But why wait? They could plead and everyone could write a book, get rich, and be done with it!
Because she is being told she has a shot of beating it. They brought on Lyon to see if she can’t bump the DP. I love the 2 lawyers on this case who had not even submitted their pro hac Vices running at the mouth before they have, by their own admission reviewed the case file in full. WTH is up with that? It’s the equivalent of telling someone with the sniffles they may have cancer, and will let them know after the exam. Lyon in particular played this all wrong, imo. She would have had a better shot had she walked in like a lamb and walked OUT like a Lyon, imo.
B
Wendy, there is no ‘hate’ on this site!! Blink will not tolerate that you can be sure.
#356; Kp-in; The Keith Williams story can be seen on this site, as Blink was the 1st one first “publishing” it. Look over at the Category links up at the left of this site and under the Caylee Anthony heading there are 2 Keith Williams links.
I know, it may sound obvious that’s how to find it, but I just now noticed that we can link to the Zanny & Annie Adventures story here by using the Zenaida Gonzales link without going to Scared Monkeys and typing a search.
This is a well designed, user friendly site, I’ve just been oblivious to the ease of searching right here. Honestly, there’s no excuse for me.
But then, Blink might get on your case for ‘ not reading’!!! That was she keeps us earning ‘our keep’! The Great Z-A adventure is generously linked in one of the recent posts here, or just go back in time through this site. To quote Blink: ‘Enuf said!’
You know when you observe the anythony’ and the baez team working their strategy a song comes to my mind “ballroom blitz”
One question though for Blink– you bring up the laundry bag and clear the confusion about similarity to the ones in the Anthony home. Could the same public confusion surround the ‘kitchen knife’? (which, btw, I never really bought had anything to do with cutting duct tape– it’s just awkward, get gummed up and stuck to the cutting tool, and the tape is designed to ‘rip’ and if shapes of the tape or tiny pieces are needed, scissors would be used, not a kitchen knife)
If Casey was trying to implicate someone, by pre-planning or after the fact, couldn’t she have picked up a kitchen knife from one of the homes she visited? Sometimes knives are left on counters, or in a rack, maybe the knife was very small, like a sharp paring knife, easily pocketed. We don’t yet know if the knife was consistent with the Anthony home utensils or not. Wouldn’t matter if the knife had no prints, if it is part of a set from someone else’s kitchen or someone could identify it.
What else would need cutting besides duct tape?
Maybe she just took it from a restaraunt because it was cool? I think its a red herring in this case
B
#367 nickel: Frank M. using “Thomas Franck” is huge to me - I have always wondered where KC came up with that name, esp the unusual spelling of “Franck” — I have been avoiding signing up for myspace but maybe I’ll break just to see this - is this in a place I need to be signed up to see? Or can you give more information what you saw there regarding this connection… in what aspect is the name used, dates, etc?
this is one site that i look at and sometimes respond and everyone is very nice and polite-no huge fights or problems amoung posters which i like very much. well, i read the zanni excellent adventure. i dont see how it could be just a coincidence, and i think it is probably significant but just not sure how it fits into everything. except establishing a alibi. i didnt know that someone had been murdered at blanchard park, and the details there with speculations about casey involvement? but there is soooo much great and detailed info here thanks to blink and everyone else. thanks————i am going to keep reading and trying to let everything soak in. dont want to ask too many dumb questions!!! love this site
Could it be that the email from Casey’s event planning/Universal ‘boss’ Thomas Franck, actually came via someone else’s computer (even from that person to help in the fake ‘boss proof’ as sent to Casey? Someone who wasn’t all above board in the first place, if something was going on as a ’scam’ with the two of them……….
Hey Joan, you are welcome, just being a good neighbour
#375 I have to admit i am totally NOT computer smart!! I am lucky i figured out how to get here!! I do not think you have to sign up to find it. The pic on the profile was a cartoon..I am sure there is someone here who is able to do a link or soemthing like that. I will tey to find it again. Sorry, we all have our faults:) and being computer “stupid” is just one of mine..
#362, Julie, Jesse Grund said something similar about hearing Caylee in the background during a phone call with Casey on June 24th, some 8 days after Caylee was already dead. I wonder if Casey was trying to set up a ruse by playing a recording of Caylee talking while she was on the phone with them. This girl was playing all kinds of games.
I’m still bugged by how Jose Baez actually got connected with Casey Anthony and when. Was his ethnicity part of her decision or just co-incidence. Was whatever George knew about Baez before any of this happened, part of her decision– would she have heard the name before last summer? Why did George say to LE that he doesn’t like the guy from ‘personal experience’ then his daughter picks that exact person for her lawyer, again going against what her parents would choose for her.
Did Casey figure she might need a lawyer and make contact before July 15? And if so, why not use the confidentiality of a lawyer to help her find her missing child right then and there– when the child first could not be located. If fearful in a kidnapping scenario or threats, a lawyer could keep things under wrap and help her investigate so that no one would ever know publicly, but that did not happen.
Kleat, leave it to you to come up with the enigma of the decade in this case. My sources tell me that actually may be the one “truth” in this case, but I , like you, think there’s more.
B
OK i will try this (had to call a friend to ask how to post this) Hopefully this will work.. Here is just a taste of Frank Mckeever: http://www.lcso.org/asp/inmatepublic…ngnumber=67905
Me thinks Ms. Casey had better think twice about going to trial. While she needs every juror for a guilty verdict, they don’t have to be unanimous in voting for the death penalty…just a majority vote. I hadn’t been aware of this, and FL is the only state in the Union which doesn’t require a unanimous jury for DP…..adds another twist to this whole thing. Just found this today.
http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/node/1543
Yes, excellent work, thats correct. That’s actually one of the issues Lyon will raise in her attempts to fumigate Florida of their DP supporters. Won’t work.
B
Shoot…dont think it worked sorry. I will try again later if i find the Thomas Franck page…sorry Blink..i tried..
Nope, Nickel, you got it. Your phone a friend worked.
B
P.S. Blink I realize u already knew this, and apologies if it was mentioned in another thread (Lyons?)….if so I hadn’t remembered it.
R
“Casey HAD to have help” quoting Cindy, quoting Annie Downing (after talking to Cindy and Casey).
Is it possible that someone DID help Casey move something, like help moving the ‘blue barrel’ (even a man the size of whatshisname) needed to solicit some innocent person’s help (or is that a ‘blue herring’– you can rent an appliance dolly that takes the work out of that problem).
Would Tony have done more than help break into the Anthony’s tool shed for ‘gas’ cans? What else was of use from that shed to Casey– wheelbarrow?
Hi, Kleat
Re post #365: Your points are well-stated; a memorial marker to visit for reasons you have described. It fits, in my mind, an hour’s use for a shovel; prying a paver(s?), not overly strenuous, not too damaging to the shovel, not requiring a great deal of clean-up. It may have happened that way.
Nickel #364, here you go
page 2254 http://www.orlandosentinel.com/media/acrobat/2008-11/43228283.PDF
Told DCF “she had completed an MMPI and everything was normal.”
Blink and everyone else. The defense is planning on tampering with a juror. There is no other explanation for thier irrational behavior. Same goes for George and SinDie.
Blink where can I find the Annie Zannie adventure you wrote about.. I have looked through your posts on the different players. How am I missing that one?
Bummer… I want to read the Annie Zannie adventure but I am blocked to SM here at work
THX ,ANNALS, all forgiven for ur commections…THX for the link -Annie -Zanni…such amazing Blinker you are!
Kleat #374
Living out of her car and who-evers house she crashed for the night, she may have taken the knife from where ever she was to just cut the pizza.
I keep thinking about how the doll was in the back seat, though. Caylee had to be back into her carseat after the fight and either killed (and duct taped while sitting up there) or asleep/drugged for it to have been left there.
For Casey to not include that doll with Caylee and to have driven around with it in the back seat all of that time (even just the carseat back there would have broken me!) really speaks to her disassociation of her with her child. As the parent, you would buy into that attachment of Caylee and her doll, even if she was asleep, you would go back and get it and put it with her. I would have expected it to be placed with Caylee in death, too.
I have a really hard time reconciling Cindy washing the clothing that was in the car. Did she wash the dolls clothes, too? Where are the dolls clothes? Why would she do that. After being so alarmed of the smell, she must have been aware that this would be evidence. ?
#350, 351: Comment by Kate
“I don’t think Casey is afraid (anxious), but rather nervous (how do I look, etc.)”
I think in some cases she’s bored, doesn’t know what to do w/her hands, & is constantly “preening”….not anxious, not nervous. If she were nervous, it’d have shown before, in the interrogation on July 15/16, in the Oct 14 arrest after being indicted in which she switched cars in the underpass, ran a unmarked deputy’s car off the road, then got placed in the car w/a corporal detective, detective, & FBI special agent, & sounded perfectly calm ! like she’d gone to the Publix & picked up the wrong milk carton or something!! naw, she’s too cold to come off as anxious.
Fairwitness, very possible Casey simply pretended to be talking to Caylee. You know, like saying, “be quiet Caylee”, or something of the likes. No doubt she’d make such a thing up since lying seems to be the only thing she can muster out of her snout.
comment #380. kleat, blink: I’ve been wondering this same thing myself, how did Baez hook up w/KC. And when I look at her porn shoot, I’m thinking, “did Baez represent any ‘adult entertainment’ companies”, b/c if she had a budding ‘adult entertainment’ photo (& other) career, she may have heard his name thrown around…certainly, the DUI arrestees could’ve given her his name, but…. still, an enigma.
Tell me if this makes any sense to anyone (Blink:)..i am dying to earn another gold star..lol)??
There is a Gabe (who has had some troubles of his own) linked to Frank Mckeever and Casey begins to have contact with a Gabe Flete right around correspondence with Frank McKeever/scam in July. They are listed in her cell phonebook. These guys are def linked to the same crowd and they ALL seem pretty shady (think mini-milsteads..)Also, Casey has contact with a Patrick on her cell around same time..Could this be the Patrick who went to see her in jail?? (and why was he the only visit she accepted from a friend??..) Also, a Frank was scheduled to come with him but did not show..
Frank McKeever also has a Ford Focus connection(which is the car Casey said Zanny drove) There seem to be alot of strange connections…
Frank was arrested for impersonating an officer (that was the link i tried to give #377..sorry)..This is among quite a few other arrests…
What are these kids taking classes from you know who??..lol (promise no more milstead refrences)??
Really not so sure these people had anything to do with sweet Caylee but they were truly shady people and there is no way you know these type of guys and the circle they run in without knowing what they are into and upto..no doubt Casey knew! Gonna go and try and find Patrick B. visit athe jail..from what i remember it seemed like Casey hardly knew who he was in the jail visit but i am gonna take a 2nd look anyway. Sorry for the long post..
Ok…. for those of you who are STILL looking for the Zannie/Annie Excellent Adventure, you have to go scrolling back (for the last time)!!! *** but it’s worth scrolling back because Blink has some great articles about the Casey Case and if you haven’t read them, go back through. (and if you still don’t know what a ‘lanyard’ is… you will learn, read and learn but there are pics too!)
You do not need to go to Scared Monkey’s, it’s right here– for now— until Blink adds her next installment.
http://blinkoncrime.com/page/25/
Blink, I put those three photos up together, one of Caylee in her most ‘natural’ facial expression, not forced, with her hand up to her forehead, white nighty or sun dress, and put the ‘Doc universal photo’ up next to it, but ‘flipped’ for the pose to be the same.
Look at the mouths of those two– perfect match (has to be coincidence but it’s weird)
Then I took the cropped section of the McKeever photo done in tungsten lighting (orangish, no flash) and cropped down to include the nose up to the forehead. Check the eye on the left and compare that to Caylee’s picture and her eye on our left– the eyes are in a natural pose and what a match (again, has to be coincidence, but amazing). Look at how close the very wide arch of the eyebrow is to the side of the head, the size of the eyes, and both natural poses. McKeever’s other eye is under a bit of a furrowed brow, so can’t compare that one, as he’s taken a ‘pensive’ pose for what looks like a self-portrait for his Myspace page.
‘Doc’ is made up with added grey brows, and he’s squinting in the bright light after flipping his shades up, so can’t compare those eyes.
Then I ask, why would Caylee be in that pose– again, it’s coincidence to the McKeever photo.
The shoulder position is the same in each photo too, both wearing bright white clothing. Another coincidence.
Now– thinking of the way the ‘breakfast’ video was done, how Casey was probably trying to get Caylee to mimic some words, could it be that Casey was trying to get Caylee to ‘mimic’ a pose of Frank McKeever from his Myspace page? Caylee looked like she was easily old enough for the photo to be taken after the Myspace page was made and updated last.
Just lot of coincidences– but if not just coincidence, why??? What the heck would Casey have been up to– trying to make Caylee related in pose, clothing colour, natural mouth expression (not posed or told to ’smile’ and grit teeth-ham-it-up for the camera like other photos), and did she purposefully choose this shot of Caylee to post online.
Hey, it probably means nothing– but I had no idea what Caylee photo I was thinking of so had to go look, and found this one, quite a match.
Back to post #380. I am still “bugged” by this too.
1. Did Casey already have a connection to Baez, through Fusion possbily?
also buggin me is the following:
2. Where did Casey go during the time that she told the family that she was working those 10 hour shifts?
3. Was she invloved in prostitution during the times that she claimed to be at work?
Brenda,
My thoughts EXACTLY, and if she actually heard sounds of Caylee could have been a home video from before….a set up.
Okay…now I wanna see who’s going to be p400 ???
Maybe Kleat can send you a “prize” LOL.
Blink,
I may have something…
If you need any more info…just ask…I live here in (redacted)
LRT, please post your source for that so I can post it, I did a quick search and found alot of “other” but not the stuff you referenced. I is apparently BYOL day… Bring Your Own Link, lol
B
suz..#387..thank you much..i have not seen all of that and found it very interesting.
What is this of a trust fund Caylee was left by whoever Casey said was her father?? That he was contibuting to it prior to his death?? Just another lie i guess..Also she clearly states she did not have a falling out with her parents,she was just living with her boyfriend..Why would she volunteer that info. so quickly without having a reason to deny it?? If it never happened why bring it up at all??
We are contacting DCF and CHS about Milsterad being a felon…and in order for them to Open House with a Purpose,…they must go through one of those organizations….
NOW, that Bobby Joe..just recently lived with them.
Hmmmmmm
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from google
Kid Finders Network, Inc. Company Profile - Located in Royal …
Dennis W. Milstead 1740 E Rd Loxahatchee, FL 33470. Palm Beach County … Bobby J. Vanover 1740 E Rd Loxahatchee, FL 33470. Palm Beach County …
The link for videos on you tube seems to never work…but if you go to You Tube..and enter in the search Joyce Bailey Dickens 7-22-08 (Anthony’s neighbor) on Sierra’s channel. ……..and pay attention at 2;32 in KIOMARIE worked for an IRISH TRAVEL place!!!!!!! Casey had a passport too??????? What is this whole IRISH thing???????? By the way the entire video is great!
Frank McKeever and one of his car parts deals: It looks great!!– has a ‘million mile warranty!’ (sounds a bit too good to be true, unless you have to drive a million miles to get warranty coverage)
http://forums.focaljet.com/group-buys/471724-focus-b-m-short-throw-shifter.html
That’s another ‘Ford Focus’ folks… Casey liked the Ford Focus, the phantom ZG had one, Amy got a new one…
So did Vicky Aleman…. MMMMUUUUHHHHAAAA
(Kleat I so swear I am not effing with you)
B
hope that worked..
Nickel, respectfully, that article was bunk as was most of that authors, unfortunately, but good use of resources.
B
This Bobby Joe is under Kidfinders when you google the Milsteads address.
Kid Finders Network, Inc. Company Profile - Located in Royal …
Dennis W. Milstead 1740 E Rd Loxahatchee, FL 33470. Palm Beach County … Bobby J. Vanover 1740 E Rd Loxahatchee, FL 33470. Palm Beach County…..
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WE Must report to licensing at Dept of Children and Families….
She( founder of another home here in PBC) will make a few calls…Whomever did her House will do theres.
She will get the womans name and we will write her!!! YIPPIE
Once we tell/show her that Sherri who will apply has 2 convicted felons in her home….They will boot them…They can’t get Grant money without a license.
Nickel,
I liked that report also….and did you notice in that report Casey says Caylee’s been missing since the 15th of June? Now wondering is that a typo or not ??? Kind of a large ‘blunder’ if it is.
Oh yeah…my kid gets knabbed by the babysitter…uh…but…uh I can’t remember the exact day for sure. I keep getting confused over exactly what day that was……yeesch!!
Blink, is it possible Frank McKeever was responsible for the break-in / laptop theft at the UCF office of (another) Zenaida Gonzales on June 9 2008? Could he have done that at Caseys request, to help her setup a fake ID or something like that?
Is it a coincidence that RiddleMeThis is post #400, when wondering who will be on post 400? NAAAAW. Blink manipulated it to make Kleat send Riddle a prize. Lucky Riddle.
#381 - nickel - thanks for posting that - - in the public the link is missing something in the center: plz what’s between the word “public” and “number”??
(Can you look under your “history” and go back to that page and then look at the web address)
http://www.lcso.org/asp/inmatepublic…ngnumber=67905
SORRY BLINK FOR TEDIOUSNESS OF POST HOWEVER MAYBE THERE IS A LITTLE COMPUTER/WWW LESSON IN THERE TO MAKE IT WORTHWHILE!
possible baby-daddy (consider face shape, eyebrows, etc):
compare photo #14 of Caylee (or even #12) with “Jeremy” from Dec 2006, photo #40
http://www.docstoc.com/docs/1678887/Casey-Anthony-Facebook-Myspace-Photobucket-Photos
Sorry that is what i had written down for the link…this is why i try not to get “fancy”…i am walking away, tail between legs, (no gold star today…lol)
..and Blink, i am glad that was bunk:)
#400 Riddle….yeah, but not even THAT complex probably as using a planned pre-recording. Her cell or iPod (bought by someone else’s credit) had capability to record sound and/or video. Plus, as much as she liked to photograph, she had plenty of sound and video bites of Caylee.
Don’t forget the power of suggestion. Casey pretending to speak to Caylee would do that to someone talking over the phone to her.
#385 Kleat….don’t forget about Lee and the statement…”he knows what he did”. Closest person to Casey by his own admission and others. If Casey had help, was in the form of her brother is my guess.
Blink..I have posted links twice now..and they don’t show..I will see if thsi does.
It did not, are you just cutting and pasting?
B
Google search of address
1740 E Road
Loxahatchee Fl
Then I said who is this Bobby Vanover
So I went to pbcountyclek
There i found he was arrested for (redacted- LRT, Klaas and I researched this last night, I am not coming up with that information) He is the owner of A Jump For Jay.. another one of the Scamsteads “sponsors” they actually own a stake in of some kind.
B
He is listed as a Director on Kidfinders at sunbiz
Sorry, maybe it is my hyperlinks…
But, you can confirm with above info.
Isn’t having him on The Kidfinders board..Like having Susan Smith working in a Daycare..
If you need more, I will be happy to.
#404 Kleat it says the photo has been removed now…at that link?
KLEAT WOULD YOU BET THE FARM MCKEEVER IS AN IRISH NAME !!! !!!??? AND IN THE CAYLEE BEAUTY VIDEO ON YOU TUBE HelpFindCaylee channel KISS ME I”M IRISH SHIRT CAYLEE IS WEARING is all also a COINCIDENCE!!!!!!!!!!!? WOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
(Kleat I so swear I am not effing with you)….. cuz she just gave it to me
LOL.
Ahhhh Haaa Annals…you got it..I do believe I was #398 at that time. …….LMAOF!
Julie…. and don’t forget the shamrock tatoo Casey had…..I had read that Casey loved anything Irish but never could figure out why because there doesnt seem to be any Irish connection thru her parents heritage……
With all respect to my dubious posters, Casey was into the shamrock thing way before Caylee was born. I think we may be overanalyzing its origin. Her Birthday is 3/19. 3/17 is a Major party day inline with her favorite Holiday “Casey day” which is everyday. For Example, my Daddy’s Birthday is 3/17. He got Irish chochkies out the wazoo every year at parties and there is not a lick of Irish in my family on either side. Just a thought.
B
suz thanx for link and nickle on the child investigation report, DID YOU SEE on page6 casey (sitting right next to cindy) says when i came back and caylee was gone … says i retraced my steps…mades phone calls.. when this did not work I CAME HOME AND TOLD MY PARENTS(sitting right next to cindy, she says that)——————i am dumbfounded.
She is referring to 7/15 though, correct?
B
Okay - this may be a red herring, but has anyone (LE) really looked into Deputy Richard Cain? It has always bugged me that a police officer wouldn’t seriously consider it a strong enough possiblity that Caylee’s body could have been just a few blocks from her home to put some effort into a tip called in? It might be nothing, but it has always struck me as a little off. Speaking of off, I am kind of off topic : )
Not off topic, an excellent question actually. He was a lazy cop. The End.
Seriously, though, that R.O.A.D. Officer aka Piece of Work, was investigated thoroughly the second Caylee’s remains were found. He was just incompetent and negligent, not involved, imo. Admittedly I checked him out, how could one not? He was a solid common denominator.
B
Blink just finished reading your article on the seitz felloe and the missing wetterling boy aka your zanny and annie excellent adventure article and the details mentioned about him claiming to be pshycic, his interest in missing children, the mention of the mounds of dirt in his back yard but no human remains found (yikes) and the childrens shoes and tufts of hair also found. And he was rumered to be wanting to confess his crimes just one day after caylee was found. Wander if he called a tio to ocle? And I also wonder if a monud of dirt was found in the backyard of the abthonys home on 7/3 or some hair? I hope the wetterling family and the families of the other children in your articles get the answers they deserve.
I am on record to say I believe this case will be huge, there’s more, Im sure of it.
B
I am new to this site …. but IMHO …. Georgette and SINdy never saw and they knew Caylee was not at home on the morning of the 16th….b/c she was not …. My thoughts are that Tot Mom and SINdy had a fight the night of the 15th about her stealing $$$ from Grand=daddy’s Assistant Living Account and when SINdy went after her physically…. Tot Mom (ugh i cannot stand to say her name) verbally flipped out at SINdy and she then snatched poor sweet Caylee and ran out the house…. buckled her in her car seat and took off…. after realizing she had no where to go and poor Caylee crying in the car that she wanted to go home …. Tot Mom in a rage …. realizing she had no where to go …. so the only place she could go was Tony’s ….. but b/c Tony did not allow her to bring Caylee overnight…. she angrily got out of the car… sedated her with “MORE” chloroform …. and duct tape her across her mouth and nasal area to shut her up out of anger and hatred b/c her daughter was calling out she wanted to go home to SINdy…. the chloroform I would suspect knock her out and the duct tape was reinforcement so no one would hear her chilling cries and while sweet Caylee laid suffocating in the trunk she went over to Tony’s and said “Hey Babe”… and she stayed the night… and when she woke…. sweet Caylee was dead…. I say DP by injection to her….. JUSTICE FOR CAYLEE!!! No excuses ….. but that is JMHO
Rita, yeah, makes sense to lift pavers, like a secret ‘trap-door’, no disturbed dirt to show obviously in the playhouse.
Noting that Cindy (Greta interview maybe) explained that nothing was found under the sandbox, there’s a layer of barrier fabric under that. But what about the playhouse– obviously there HAD to be a barrier fabric under that as well or bamboo and other stuff would push up between the pavers.
What would a girl need more tools from that shed for? Something had to cut the barrier fabric, like a knife, a sharp knife, box-cutter. And if the parents saw some indication of pavers moved or looked under the pavers, they must have seen freshly ripped barrier fabric. If not freshly ripped, then roots would breech the fabric and then the pavers soon enough. Could it be that what the parents saw was roots?? A spear of bamboo poking up in the playhouse between pavers?
There was a big explanation of bamboo and how fast it grew, also to Greta (?).
Hey I just got done reading the adventures of Annie and KC. Is it possible that Kc got the tickets on the same day but different instances and she was using Annies name and info and also Zenaida gonzales as it is not a very hard to thing to do to get fake ID’s.
You just need a little money.
I have never seen this info but do think KC did this to not get caught with the Anthony name.
THis is perfect if this is the case as again KC didnt cover her tracks in the dirt!
Julie, Casey loved all things Irish.
Julie, the 404 link works, it’s not a photo.
It was really the zenaida and annie excellent adventure articke I was searching for when I found the article on seitz. I realize they are unrelated cases but just found the 12/12/08 date kinda weird. I read the excellent adventure article very interesting and that date 6/9/08 date popped up again. I hope that zenaida connection plays out at trial if there is one.
I will be hard pressed to believe that there is not a connection to the office break in and the fact that the “ZG22″ appeared to pay the ticket the next day, and they day after that.
B
Ok, it took me 3 days to read this article and all the comments and I am still confused. That’s what I get for thinking I could pick up reading in the middle of a case and be able to make sense of it. I have a year’s worth of reading to go back and do. I guess by next century I’ll have some intelligent input to share. haha!
Lol, What an intelligent post, thank you for sharing it. It will not take you a year, though.
B
http://www.duhaime.org/LegalDictionary/C/Collusion.aspx wouldnt this(comment #417) and the washing of the clothes,and the june 9th date ,and the pizza and the pointing the finger at other people and refusal of a body search ,and the hair brush ,my caylee is missing , all add up to collusion ?
SCOOPS TONIGHT?…was she meeting Frank Mckeever? The annonymous texter??????? She said her ‘boss’ sent her to the bar to look for his daughter….CAYLEE???? 100000000000000000*’s KLEAT!!!!….She thought he was cooler than icecream IRISH and a criminal and a car salesman ..wow… un BELIEVABLE!!!! I can not beieve how obvious it has been that whole SHAMROCKY bunch of them.
YOU have to check out the song SNOW WHITE by STREETHEART……HAH….OH YEAH !!!!!!! Casey all the way..and “DOC” Mckeever….talk about her theme song!
Pardon my lack of brain cells but someone pweez, pweez, tell me why Annie D. is so important to the case. I know of her, remember her but just what is her pivotal role, knowing, covering for, etc.? HHHHeeeelllllpppp! And yes, I still want to be Blink when I grow up!
#380–I actually have an answer!!!! While Casey was being processed into jail she asked the other girls waiting with her if they knew a good lawyer and someone gave her Baez’ name out of the blue. Totally random. I did see this on her jailhouse phone calls with her family-the early ones. You’ll have to do some research to find it but it is very early on.
Kleat, re: #380, can you say more about what makes you think that kc knew Baez from earlier? The way Geo describes it, kc says she found him the first time she was incarcerated and had asked around for a good lawyer. Geo originally thought he was a court appointed lawyer, not a lawyer for hire cuz how was she going to pay for it?
To me, when geo says he doesn’t like the guy from personal experience, it means the few times he has had contact with Baez he already doesn’t like him. What am I missing? Tho I realize that anytime a sentence starts with “kc says,” the next bit is suspect.
Here are some Geo quotes re: Baez (from one of his taped interviews)
“I don`t like this freaking attorney that she has. I can tell you that right now from personal experience, I don`t like the guy. I told you that guy, I`ve become — my daughter talked to someone when you guys initially incarcerated her.
“And I guess whoever she talked to, you know, according to my daughter now, this is what Mr. Baez told me, or Jose, I`ll just call him that, says — told, Jose Baez, I asked someone who`s a good attorney? And she has $5,000 supposedly or at least $1400 of it, to give to him as a retainer to assist.
“We did not contact this man. We initially — when he came to our — called us, we thought the guy was a court appointed attorney. And you know, that`s what we though, because my daughter does not — I don`t think she has any money.”
Blink,
I have been following this case from the very start. I live in the outskirts of Orlando and I stumbled upon your website a couple of days ago as I was reading through some of the blogs on wftv.com
I’d like to thank you for all of the information that you have up and for keeping this case fresh in peoples minds (true enough its plastered on all the news stations here– but great to know that there is other info out there besides what the news stations report)
And YES—- IMO, Cindy had to of known….. why else would she admittingly state that she didnt give Caylees hairbrush to LE on purpose? Any doting grandma who still has hopes of finding their granddaughter alive will cooperate with ANY & EVERYTHING!
Again–THANKS FOR ALL U DO N I look forward to your next posting!
melissab, read the story and look at the photos with said story and you can get the idea about Annie. Pay attention to how old Zenaida Gonzalez is, (or is not– it’s not the Mr. M’s client).
suz, you are right, but I’m just wondering what ‘personal experience George had with Baez before all this happened, if anything. It’s just a feeling from this statement by July 24: “I don’t like this friggin’ attorney she has, I can tell you that from personal experience, I don’t like the guy.’
Baez is the one who told George how Casey contacted him (booking chat etc) as per this 24th interview. So it does come down to Casey’s word on this issue, or Baez repeating what his client told him to say and he’s not saying ‘else’. I just found it strange the way George said ‘personal experience’, maybe I read ‘past’ personal experience into it and didn’t realize how much George might have talked to Baez between July 16 and the interview date.
oh oh, you posted in the meantime! Sorry for repeating quotes– didn’t see suz’s latest. I think this issue is rested now– let’s see how things play out. Maybe it’s just the simple explanation afterall.
Wow! Great insight and great posts! Took me a few days to read through it all….Anyway, I don’t want to lead anyone astray here, so please correct me if I am wrong, but back in 2008, I remember an interview with LP on the NG show. That night, LP stated that someone saw Casey in the parking lot of a hotel, pacing back and forth, talking on the cell phone to someone at 1:15 a.m. 6/16/08 shortly after the huge fight she had with her mother Cindy. This has always stuck out in my mind, because it establishes a more realistic timeline for me. At 1:15 a.m. that night, Casey would have still been agitated enough with the violent, physical, emotionally-charged fight she had with her mother Cindy, which I believe then led Casey to storm out of the house before midnight with Caylee in tow and then the rage became so overwhelming, that she murdered Caylee shortly thereafter. I don’t believe that she had the “famous ducttape” on her at that time, but I believe she either strangled Caylee or asphyxiated her somehow due to the rages within her shortly after the fight. On the day of 6/16, after George left for work, Casey pulled into the garage and there she had access to the ducttape, the garbage bags etc. etc. Then she began to diabolically plot the “cover-up” of the death of her daughter. Of course it went from “accidental drowning in the family pool” to the “kidnapping of Caylee by a phanthom babysitter.” (Later on down the road, it was setting up innocent people to take the fall for Caylee’s death.) She made many cell phone calls to various people that afternoon too. Don’t know if she spoke to anyone though. The rest of her movements, we can ascertain from interviews with friends, family, etc. By that afternoon on 6/16 though, the affects of the “O” factor would have kicked in, and noises and fluids coming from the nose, throat, tongue etc. would have been very pronounced indeed. Hence, the over-kill of the ducttape.
I noticed too, from the autopsy report, that the hyoid bone was separated from the body at time of discovery. Could that mean that Caylee was strangled and the tiny bone detached from its place in the throat? Or does that happen on occasion even without strangulation?
Thank you Blink for this coverage. Without it, all us “justice-minded people” would be even more frustrated by this terrible tragedy. At least we have a semblance of truth now and we hope some semblace of justice in the near future.
yes irish casey o marie ,i’ve often wondered if goerge is really her father,he says in police interview that had very little to do with her up bringing.but i agree blink her birthday being two days after st paddy’s day .
Cant wait for Justice 4 Caylee to be served!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Sue #442, in fact, the hyoid bone was never even found so sadly we won’t know if it had a story to tell. : (
Susan comment #443,,,I agree. Blink….the birthdate thing for sure has a lot to do with the Irish stuff….but logic tells me ALL her friends wear shamrocks and shamrock tatoos ect caps all for HER birthday!!!!!!!!! PLUS KIO MARIE worked for an IRISH tour place (travel place) C”MON!!!! I googled an image search for SCOOPS in Florida a GUY IS WEARING a shamrock hat again in the bar!!!!!!!!!!!!
Caylee wearing also that KISS ME I”M IRISH shirt!!!!!!!!!!!! NO WAY! There is soooooooooo much more to it than her near St.Patricks day birthday.Her PAssport??????????that…Cindy DENIES she had????????
Sue,
post #442, interesting I don’t remember the hotel thing being mentioned.
Regarding the hyoid, it was not recovered.
Pg 4 of 13 http://www.wftv.com/pdf/19801867/detail.html
I linked to dr baden’s site in an earlier post. Somewhere on there he mentions until after 40, the hyoid is so flexible it often does not give clues. So, I’m not sure what they would’ve been able to tell anyway. Further, body was…..well let’s just say….. just read the link re: disarticulated.
Sorry Sue, I just re-read your post…and think I just misunderstood what you were saying regarding the hyoid in 442. Again though don’t think they could’ve determined much based on Baden info.
Riddle If I may add. The Hyoid bone in itself is quite “soft” (again I am being intentionally vague) and is attatched via ligament, or soft tissue. In that instance, it is not unusual for it to not be intact given the extent of the decomposition. It is highly important in cause of death, but given this evidence, cannot be viewed as suspect by it’s non-recovery, imo.
B
So for those who believe casey killed caylee, was it:
A) Done in a moment of rage with intent to kill the child?
b) Done in a moment of rage without intending to kill the child?
C) Done in cold blood with all that (seeming) premeditation of the creepy gooogle searches?
D) An accident (either a real accident of neglect like drowning, or a creepy accident like chloroform overdose when she only meant to knock her out)?
If you go with C, premeditation, why do you think casey didn’t seem to have thought through what to do with the body?
Also, if premeditated, what do you see as the motive? If just wanting to be unburdened of the child, why not just let Cin have custody if it’s true that Cin wanted or threatened that?
I always hope it’s a terrible accident or moment-of-rage-without- intent-to-kill (followed by the staged kidnapping duct taping), but of course I am not sure. Just curious as to what others think.
Responding to comment by Riddlemethis — June 26, 2009 @ 12:57 pm
Florida only requires a simple majority (7 or more of the 12 jurors) to vote in favor of the death penalty, but this penalty-phase vote is only a recommendation. The judge is the one who ultimately makes the decision.
Because of a US Supreme Court ruling, no convicts may be put to death in the US unless a jury has voted for the DP. So in Florida, even though the jury’s penalty vote is only a recommendation, if seven or more jurors vote for death, the judge may sentence the convict to death or LWOP. But if the jury votes for LWOP, the judge cannot impose death.
Hi, kleat, re post #426, that’s a very intriguing line of thought. Many times I’ve read about the suggestion of code usage among the family. We’re all familiar with what often has been described as “a bit of truth” mixed into a pile-on fantasy narrative. It would be so interesting, imo, after the case is resolved, for a semanticist to study the entire body of statements, chronologically; how language may have been used to distract, mis-direct and also to identify meaning and intent of chosen words.
As for the cut fabric, removed paver(s) and telltale bamboo root growth, that certainly would catch their eye and point to recent disturbance of the ground area.
whomever the father may be the A”s never went after $$$ from him because you would have to PROVE paternity and that may be alarming to do if it turned out to be ………..someone else Casey had accused in the past of “misconduct’ with her….. nope…not taking that chance with it….’mom’ was the word……
Uhm…errrhhh…..Blink…..is it my imagination or did you just drop another whopper there in comment 422 ??
That DCF report is…..uhm…perhaps enlightening in more ways than one. This would explain (paraphrasing)..’I've already given you 31 days’ eh?
As an aside to that, note this girl is still trying to tell DCF she works at Universal….after all the other BS, and already admitting to LE she had lied about it. She just keeps trying to get somebody to ‘buy into’ her world of ‘la la land’ reality. Unreal. Unreal. Unreal.
I knew someone like this and I swear it’s like a mental deficit, or mental block, they can’t see the stupidity of it…all they care about is the instant gratification of getting a “buy in” from someone at that moment of ‘face off’ while lying. Living only in the present moment. Reminds me of LA interview when he states (again paraphrasing) it was like a ‘lightbulb’ went on as he explained to Casey that LE was on the way and they would have her take them to Caylee TOO. He actually had to spell it out for her….but you know they never LEARN from it either, they just keep repeating the behavior. Un freagin real!!
Maura,
Thank you for the additional info, the link I left with original post goes into the judges role, etc. I didn’t post it all out (as I do enough of that on other posts):). Your comments made me more curious as to the other possible jury options, ie. vote for LWOP, etc. I’ll have to read more on how those options are handled/ presented for the jury, dependent on verdict. Also got the impression while reading FL maintaining this lone status in the nation on DP, may be precarious. (As Blink commented re: Lyons involvement) Thanks!
Response to comment #405:
During Cindy’s FBI interview, the agent ran a car check for Amy Huizenga and her parents, and none of them owned a Ford Focus. After Amy totalled her car on June 6, she bought a used Toyota Corolla.
Maura, thanks for the car info. Oh yeah, it was the nanny Zanny’s father who was rich and bought her new FF after her accident that Casey witnessed.
for some commentors, like suz, who might like a good ‘read’ on psychopaths, how they think, how they blend in — these 2 brief webpages may help understand KC: 1) http://www.damninteresting.com/?p=936 , and 2) http://www.mcafee.cc/Bin/sb.html
Blink not sure how you couldn’t find this..DO NOT put a comma , PUT Vanover Bobby
I do the first ‘Offical Records search”
Document Detail
Type: JUD
Date/Time: 3/15/1995 11:45:29
CFN: 19950079221
Book Type: O
Book/Page: 8658/688
Pages: 1
Consideration: $0.00
Party 1: FLORIDA
Party 2: VANOVER BOBBY JOE
Legal:
That was at pbcountyclerk.com…sorry forgot to post link
Dying for part two! When is it coming?
In Development, You can’t rush genius. I am in no way speaking of mine, but my collaborator.
B
Blink another friend that Dispises these two Families has done research on PBC and Florida info about applicable regulations. Some scary info in an article about a study of Florida group homes for troubled youths in 2005 .
I have all the links. I don’t know your Policy about posting my(blogging) email..So I could send you all this.
Im cool with you posting links as long as they are on topic, your fine.
B
COMMENT 449-suz…I go with C and she in my opinion did place Caylee where she did in the end for REASONABLE doubt that she ‘did it’. Cindy especially has sung that song for a long time.
I found some PBC and Florida info about applicable regulations.
I gave them a QUICK scan. It looks like there needs to be “local” criminal checks and the eligibility requirements for licensees and staff include drug and abuse issues, though it seems to focus on CURRENT problems such as drug issues. The background and eligibility requirements start at pg 51 and the “problem” section is on pg 52-53.
http://www.pbchd.com/pdfs/environmental/childcare/pbchd_child_care_check_list.pdf
I haven’t been able to find an express ability to refuse a license on general character grounds…. does your knowledgeable friend know anything on this point?
Anyway, here’s the PBC link in case it’s a helpful reference for you.
http://www.pbchd.com/stats/permitting/forms_childcare.html
I found some scary info in an article about a study of Florida group homes for troubled youths in 2005 which reported that:
“Senators expressed alarm at a regulatory system that…. spends $167 million a year without checking quality of care and sometimes re-licenses homes without evidence that staffers were checked for history of child abuse, neglect or serious crime…….. Children were being mistreated or neglected at some homes without consequences….. Many homes employed unqualified or poorly trained staff, including some with criminal records. Several operators enriched themselves, family and friends.”
Maybe that’s why a bottom-feeder like Milstead targeted this area as his next scam. Wonder if anything was done to address these problems… like new regs?? I haven’t noticed anything in the regs so far that does.
http://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/nationworld/bal-md.homes15jun15,0,687857.story
If Casey was obviously robbing the mommy Cindy blind forever and calling Caylee THAT GIRL ect…why did she need to ‘fake’ working as George and Cindy pretend she did. It is all BS…she never needed to say Caylee was with a nanny. The A’s HAD to watch Caylee…because she said so… When not 1 article of clothing left the home for Caylee at all in the 30 day leave of absence, why did Cindy not right away call police? Why did this go on as it did for years ? All just an accident ? Cindy wants to avoid the fight because the fight itself it is utterly ridiculous to have happened to that extent in the 1st place the whole madness of the entire situation prior to the murder is ludicrous…if Cindy felt her daughter was a sociopath ect why have her keep a baby??? Oh I am sure over night she became a sociopath. Why did Cindy kick George right after caylee was born?
“In Development, You can’t rush genius. I am in no way speaking of mine, but my collaborator.
B”
I think this is a conspriracy to get the posts up past 500!!! Half a millio—errr– half a thousand!!!!! wow…. we’ll get there, and every one on topic!
I personally think the duct tape was intentional and PRIOR to Caylee’s death. KC wanted to talk to Tony the night of the 15th. You know, the Tony that doesn’t want any “girl” kids? She didn’t want him to hear Caylee crying or “mommy let’s go” or anything like that. She wanted quiet. Why didn’t LE ask him if he heard Caylee in the background ever???
She was still pizzed at Cindy for their fight, went wherever and told Caylee to be quiet. Caylee wasn’t so she taped her. Over the nose too for a sort of really “scary” punishment to teach Caylee she meant business. Maybe she had the intention of taking the tape off the nose, maybe she didn’t. I can just see her get all wrapped up in her call and “forget”. When she did go back to Caylee, it was too late. Then the coverup began. Maybe there was so much tape Caylee couldn’t pull it off. That type of tape is WAY more adhesive than regular duct tape if you have ever seen it.
Blink - you rock!
someone mentioned about george not being caseys father. he isnt her father right? i remember rick cindys brother saying that george isnt caseys real father.
If an attorney is contacted and has no idea that this client will provide him a Geragos moment in his career, his first thoughts would be “how am I going to be paid?”. Casey apparently had enough money to put JB on retainer. He was unaware of the celebrity status that NG and others would later bestow on anyone involved. So he had to get some kind of retainer up front. Casey apparently had no job. She had what she could steal from friends and family. She told friends that she had money put aside for a down payment on a home. Where did she get this money?
There has been rampant rumor running around that she was a prostitute or internet porn star. There has been a picture, speculated to be her, that has made the rounds of many sleuthing sites. I have seen it and would guess if it is not her, it is her heretofore unintroduced twin sister. She appeared to be a quite capable employee, but I digress…
Lee Anthony said in an interview that he had been able to verify employment for Casey as far back as Dec. ‘07 or Jan. 08. I cannot find the interview to link it. I can tell you it was the interview he did right before the first time Casey refused his visit to jail. It was a twenty something minute interview conducted outside the jail. It was within one minute either way of the eighteen minute mark. He spoke openly and jokingly with all the reporters. He sippe dhis bottle of water incessantly. He finally looked at his watch and said he could not be late for his visit and went in, only to find Casey had turned him away. So anyway, He said he had verified her employment for at least the first six months of ‘08. He refused to say where it was. It leads me to believe that Casey possibly did have a little money put away.
I know, it does not fit with stealing from friends and stealing a few gallons of gas, etc. I reckon my point to this whole diatribe is that JB would have not gotten involved originally if he thought his payday was going to be Jacksquat. So, where was she working?
I agree 100% that Casey did not “happen” upon JB. I originally ran down ALL the numbers and corresponding dudes/dudettes in her cell. There are several that do not fit in terms of her”peer group”, but since there was no calls back and forth from several of these individuals I did not feel compelled to put it out there just because they were some unlucky phone list inhabitants. That said, Baez is no F. Lee Bailey, he did however represent the Mayor. He took a criminal case of this girl, without so much as speaking to her parents when he knew he did not have a retainer upfront, and that she had no verifying source of income. What I’m suggesting is even if Casey did not know him specifically, someone Casey knew did. No doubt.
B
Puzzler - post #467 - the duct tape was put there after death but before decomp set in according to documents. She had to have killed Caylee the night of 6/15 or soon after midnight on 6/16. The emotionally charged fight she had with her mother earlier that night on 6/15 was enough to put her over the edge. Boom, she took her rage out on Caylee for sure. That is also why George’s version of Casey and Caylee being there on the morning of 6/16, when he supposedly made breakfast for Caylee and saw them off in the car at 7:30 a.m. - NO WAY. Casey could never have returned to that house in her deranged state of mind that night. If Casey didn’t have bad intentions in mind that night when she left the house with Caylee in tow, then she would have left Caylee safe and sound with Cindy and George. She would have left by herself to clear her head…..Tony L. would have let her stay at his apartment. Call it revenge, call it rage, call it whatever you want, there was bad intent when she left that house.
In ref to post 331,I don’t beleive Casey is having nightmares about Caylee.But if she is GOOD.although she was scared to sleep in her room so she slept in the room with Cindy and dummy George.Now I will give you one guess as to why this bafoon had to sleep in mommy and daddy’s room.Caylee should come back and haunt the H%&$ out of her and the grandparents.They all know what happened to this child and they know who is to blame for her death.They need to stop all of their lying and just let Casey take responsibility for her actions.That is one of the biggest reasons that this girl is like she is today.Mommy and daddy always covered up for her regardless.If they think people are not paying attention to all of their lies,then they are crazier than I thought they were.
In ref to George not being Casey’s dad,is he the father of Lee? So old muffin head was jumping out of windows at some point and time.How funny not ms.perfect Muffinhead Anthony.maybe this is why Cindy puts up with him being a SCLACKER!
Blink…was LE ever able to verify the story that Casey was at a motel the night of 15th? Did she check into a room? Thanks.
I dont know, but gave them what I found.
B
Comment by Scott — June 23, 2009 @ 10:55 am
B - you are wrong about the shorts AND it was no accident!
I just love it when someone jumps on here, misinformed, and armed with an opinion they do not back up. If you are to be taken seriously here, respect the intelligence of the readers here and myself and educate me and them as to how your opinion is correct, or worthy of consideration please.
B
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Blink- I agree with Scott 100% that you are wrong about the shorts & it being an accident. I’d love to go through the whole scenario but I just don’t feel like explaining. No accident she killer Caylee in a fit of rage after the choking incident with Cindy. The shorts are reported to be the last ones she was seen wearing on June 15th.
But I do still keep my hopes up that you are right about the latent partial fingerprints, we shall have to wait & see if Casey did leave prints on the duct tape.
“your wrong but you don’t feel like explaining”. OK, that is not going to win you any “most intelligent post on blinkoncrime.com awards” in this crowd. It can be a rough room if you don’t know your stuff in these parts.
However, for the gazillionth time, nobody thinks it was an accident, I never said that, and in fact, duct tape does not appear across a childs face “accidentally” so I’m pretty sure it is moot anyway. What is your explanantion for why OCSO served a second warrant on 12/19 and took all Caylee’s pink tshirts and white shorts?
B
But you are an interesting read Blink.
Thanks, and for future reference, I do not allow posters to post as anonymous, not to be offensive but it’s lame. I learned that rule from Huff and I think it is a good one.
B
http://youtube.com/watch?v=olnG15sFpq0
LadyVenus0304 channel video titled One Year- Caylee Anthony
good video shows numerous photos of Caylee with the doll in clothing
and other photos i had not seen before.
#434. You gotta be a Canuck to know THAT song and THAT band.
Justice for Caylee!
http://blogs.discovery.com/criminal_report/files/casey_anthony_visitation_log.pdf
anyone wonder why she had scheduled visits for Patrick and Frank?????? ( who never showed up?????????)
For anyone who has not yet seen Casey’s Cupid Profile:
http://www.cayleemarieanthony.net/pdfs/casey_anthony_Cupid.pdf?id_member=2050024
(she’d have liked to go on Survivor..creating a multitude of players staying below the radar) ???? mmmmmmmmmmmmm
#467, I also believe the tape was there prior to death. whether she knocked Caylee out first with the chloroform or not. Also agree she wanted Tony.
Remember, Cindy harped on Casey that day in June and threatened to take Caylee, and I also assume refused to babysit that night ruining casey’s plans with Tony…and Caylee paid the price for that.
Since Casey had been lying about getting her parents’ home, was she maybe planning to kill them too? who knows? I DO know she was capable of such. Wanting to do so anyway!
I really think this Frank Mckeever/Gabe F./Patrick (Vicky A and Steph) crew were into some very shady stuff(possibly even breaking and entering?? ZG office??)
The searches on the computer in the Anthony home (re:chloro, self defense, etc) could have been something Casey was looking into for other reasons besides Caylee. (Just trying to think out of the box) maybe to knock out a potential robbery victim or defend herself from one. She would not need “self-defense” against sweet Caylee. I am convinced there is more to this side of the story (where she got her money)and more to the visit in jail from Patrick B…Is there any link to Baez and these guys?? They seem to always have trouble and i am sure they lawyered up..
Blink, the visit from Patrick Bourgeois has NEVER sat right with me… I know this is probably gonna sound like the wild brainstorming session of someone drowning in a sea of Blink’s clues, but here are some things that stand out to me about this character:
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1. The shamrock is traditionally St. PATRICK’s symbol. Again with the Irish connections…
2. She doesn’t even remember this guy until he (Patrick) references a “Mike Walker” during their conversation; he says Mike says to keep her head up, and they’re still on her team. What team? As silly as it sounds, is it some kind of “Shamrock club?” (You can laugh at me if its truly ridiculous
3. He also tells her that if she “wants to talk about anything, just let it go…” WTF??!! She doesn’t even remember this guy at first, what could he possibly think she should “just let go” of, exactly?
I’ve always had the feeling that there’s a whole lot more to that visit, but my brain starts to feel kinda mushy whenever I try and “decode” it…Blink, are my instincts right, or am I wasting my time making more out of this than there is? Any feedback is appreciated…..
I believe he was an opportunist and probably put up to a dare by his friends.. His Dad drove him their for petes sake.
Red Herring, imo.
B
Red and Blink, will be interesting to see what comes of the Baez-Casey history, or mutual ppl links. Just seems way too much a stretch for me, there had to be minimally a recommendation from more than booking room chat.
To my point about the pose of Caylee in a photo that seemed to emulate McKeever, forget what similarities in looks, (if any), but this is completely away from any paternity issue. Instead, goes to the fact that Casey talked about teaching Caylee to say things (ie: email to the military BF in Iraq–Casey said she would teach Caylee something funny to say to him), the ‘Breakfast’ video, that looked like something had been taught to Caylee to repeat (with woman’s voice prompting), and now here’s a photo of Caylee that ‘could be’ emulating the Doc/McKeever pose for whatever reason, just silly picture taking stuff maybe.
But if Casey was teaching Caylee to say things on prompt for some reasons, to play back or say to Casey’s friends, she would realize she could use the same idea, to prove Caylee was alive and in the background of calls (ie: Jesse, maybe Shirley). Goes to her way of thinking.
I don’t think that pose of Caylee was a coincidence to McKeever at Universal in costume. I think minimally, it could have been an ‘attention getter’.
Casey’s ‘business circle’– was there one?? I think there must be a whole other level of Casey’s world that we as yet do not know about– why would we think we ‘know her’ by the circles of friends that we know about. All of these groups were kept in separate ‘need to know’ boxes by Casey. What is ‘beyond Fusion’? Where did Casey go with Caylee in the middle of the last night she and Caylee slept with Ricardo? It wasn’t simply putting the child in the car.
Brenda in VA, I agree with you that Casey’s murder of Caylee is all about Tony Lazarro. The altercation with Cindy the night of Father’s Day lit the rage, but Casey wanted out of her motherly duties to pursue her life with Tony.
I don’t blame Cindy one bit for being frustrated and angry. Casey is a lying, cheating thief who manipulates, abuses & disappoints everyone who loves her. The girl preyed on her elderly grandparents, for crying out loud. She stole from her own child’s piggy bank, as well as her parents. In short, she’s a piece of shit.
What no one in that family knew was how evil she truly is. Had Cindy or George had any idea that Casey would harm Caylee, they would have taken steps to protect that baby.
Blink, do you think there is a grain of truth to the ’second cell phone from work’ story, a cell phone not in Casey’s name, but a throw-away or another phone in an untraceable name? Casey still had to have contact somehow with the ‘business circle’, but how?
No.
B
#477 I am a Canuck…and know Kenny Shields as well! ha…..#481 agree…..Frank …… lots more about him…for sure…
Does anyone know if Casey (by herself) spent the wee hours of the morning on 6/16 at Tony L.’s apt? (By “wee” I mean early morning hours - like after 4 or 5 a.m.)
In addition to stealing from family and friends, Casey did have a job as a “shot girl,” earning tax-free tips and booze. She was little and cute and flirty, which is a good combination for success in that field.
Since no one knows for sure how Caylee died, I still can’t rule out an accidental death followed by a post-mortem/pre-decomp duct taping to stage a kidnapping-gone-wrong. Yes, normal people would call 911 after an accident, but who here is willing to argue that she is normal? If she is sick enough to kill her kid in cold blood, she is certainly sick enough to do the wrong thing after an accident. I am sure she did not want to prove Cindy’s rant that Casey was a bad mutha, er, mother, nor did she want to have a conversation with the authorities that started with “Well, I chloroformed her like I usually do to knock her out, but this time…” imho.
(wonder if Scott, ‘Anonymous and Sunday Poster, are one and the same? Why so certain about ‘the shorts’– I don’t get that at all, what does it matter unless the point is that Casey is, as the defense claims ‘is innocent’.)
Blink,
There is some good research on my home blog about all the people that claim they live at 1740 e Road with the Milsteads….
and half the sponsers live there too. all with links.
http://www.topix.com/forum/state/fl/T7PHPOTEJUVNPEHNN/p474#lastPost
LRT- Vanover owns “A Jump for Jay”, a KFN sponor. I did not look at the rest of the links, but 5 colleagues and I did a 90 page report on this situation, so I know it well. The way to get at these people is through the IRS.
B
#469 Red Ranger
FYI -
http://www.wftv.com/video/17132496/index.html
This is the interview you mentioned. 18+ minute interview conducted prior to Lee’s jail visit on August 8, a visit cancelled by Casey.
OK will do…Now that I see they own alot the businesses that donate…what are the chances of Money laundering???
I would say very high. I would also say they dont get competitive bids, and the businesses “donate” as a write off.. hint hint
B
WONDERFUL!!! I have a friend that has been a JA to A Senior Federal Judge here for years…she knows all the agents. (smile)
Thanks so much!
I will email the report that has been reviewed by The SA’a office and AG Law if you give me a contact-
B
Because of health reason’s I have just recently had enough time to follow this case closer. So, having spent a lot of time watching & reading, this is the 2nd post I have made to any board. In my opinion, there is so much information to digest that you have to put it in a simple way of plowing through it. The plain fact that the one’s who are trying to cloudy up the cess pool of the truth is mind boggling. Stepping back and looking at it all; putting aside all the speculation and media twisting; going by just the facts presented to us by those who are involved….I think it all begins with the root of all evil…..
Money….
Begin with George’s interview with the FBI way back…they let him talk uninterupted for a reason.
George (from his internet scam) admits receiving a “bill collector’s” phone call on his way to the interview.
On the 24th Cindy tried to cash a stimulus check for 1200, and George had to go sign it…If Cindy or George had a good standing with a bank account then this would have not been necessary.
George says he told Cindy to keep up with her own maintenance bills on her car. He says he made her appointments to have it serviced, and she never showed up. (In the past he had did all the oil changes, wheel rotations, ect.)
George states that after the 24th they had to pay her E.Pass fines, where she had went through without putting her 50 cents in and fines were $25.00. He stated this was after the gas can incident.
In Rick (Cindy’s brothers) words he talk’s about Cindy & her having to bust her 401k.
I could go on and on but this is all “old” news..BUT, if you block it all out and go back to a picture of Greta V. and her camera’s in Caylee’s room. Greta says: “What a lot of stuffed animals…” Cindy laughs & says: “That’s not all of them”…Let’s not forget the LE had already hauled out stuff, (if I am correct)….Someone spent a helluva lot of money on this kid…(look at the collection of cheap sunglasses in one photo)….the kitchen set alone in her room is not cheap, the playhouse, sandbox, ect…..All grandparents spoil their g’kids (if they can AFFORD it)…someone’s a big spender here right?
So, we have George’s past spending/employment history….bankruption, losing home, relocating to Florida and assuming a morgage with a very high interest rate…all old news…but painting a picture that leads up to two facts:
1. Cindy knew that Casey stole from her & did nothing about it for how long? Only when she realizes the grandparents 2 accounts were stolen from did she….
2. How the hell can a grandmother not know Caylee’s mother was not bringing in a paycheck for so many, many months?….diapers alone cost a lot! Can you not imagine Cindy telling Casey to run by the store & pick up some diapers & some wipes…we are low on them? Juices, finger foods, ect for a child the age of Caylee in months prior to her death would have cost a lot. Providing for a child is not easy. Was Caylee on some welfare program that provided assistance for her?
Beginning with the facts from the beginning with an open mind and putting them together is the only way to muddle your way through the lies and deceit and twists and turns in this case.
If you think this is all off the wall please discard it Blink. I am still muddling my way through to find facts, not speculation, and put them in a way my mind can see what happened to this child. I have followed it since it began, but only recently in any real depth tried to piece it together from all the stuff out there.
Patrick Bourgeois has been at the center of numerous conspiracy theories.
When Casey was in jail for the first time and before she told the OC jail personnel that she would only accept visits from family members, two men, Patrick Bourgeois and Frank Bourgeois, scheduled a visit to see her on July 24. Patrick visited Casey and they had a videotaped conversation that lasted less than two minutes. Frank did not show for the scheduled visit.
Here is the video of the 90-second jail visit conversation that shows both Patrick and Casey: http://www.local6.com/news/17564421/detail.html
(Look down the list on the right hand side for “Jailhouse Visitor”)
Another site claims to have found Patrick’s MySpace page in which he described himself (in 2008) as a 22-year-old male from St. Cloud/Orlando. He also listed the motto “Live life through Christ,” so maybe he made that visit to Casey out of genuine Christian concern as in “visit those in prison.” The photo on MySpace is not a close-up, but you can tell enough to see that it could be the same guy as in the jail video.
http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=41823846
During the brief videoconference, Patrick said Casey might remember him from Webster Middle School and Colonial High School (she clearly didn’t). Then he said he hung around with Mike Walker. Both Casey Anthony and Mike Walker are listed as members of the class of 2004 on the Colonial High School website, but Patrick Bourgeois is not listed, which led to rampant speculation on Internet forums.
There are twelve high schools in Orlando. If his family moved to another part of the city while he was in high school, he would have transferred to a different school and not been in Casey’s graduating class at Colonial HS even if they went to the same middle school and started out together as freshman at Colonial. Casey and her childhood friend Ryan Pasley (the guy who used to work at Sports Authority) hung around all through high school even though his family moved to Seminole County right after middle school, so there is no reason why the Bourgeois family couldn’t have done the same.
And indeed, a Patrick Bourgeois is listed on the Boone High School (Orlando) Alumni page as having graduated in 2004 (same year as Casey and Mike Walker) and been accepted to the University of Louisiana at Lafayette for Electrical Engineering:
http://www.boonebraves.ocps.net/2008/alumnilist.php?d=2000
The day after Patrick’s visit, July 25, Casey was visited by Lee and then by George and Cindy. Casey told Lee about Patrick’s visit and asked Lee to follow up with him to enlist his help and those of his friends to help find Caylee. Casey also mentioned Patrick’s visit to her parents and noted that George would remember Mike Walker because Mike and Casey had been on the track team together at Colonial High School.
I personally don’t see anything alarming about Patrick’s visit; the videotape shows an awkward conversation, but nothing suspicious. It seems that he and Mike Walker were good friends even though they didn’t graduate from the same Orlando high school, and Casey would have known Patrick through her fellow Colonial HS track team member Mike Walker. That seems to be why Casey remembered Mike Walker but couldn’t immediately place Patrick Bourgeois – she was never a close friend of Patrick and had not seen him for four years.
Fairwitness, he might not have known how evil she is, but Lee alone seemed to know how crazy Casey was/is. Didn’t he describe her to his friends as crazy or strange? Also, when Cindy was freaking out and calling kc’s bluff by calling the police to try to make her fess up where caylee was, Lee was the one who role played with kc so she would realize what was about to go down because the police were about to arrive and ask to be taken to Caylee. Also, Lee seems to have advised her friends to tell the truth to LE and NOT to cover for kc. Lee seems like the only one of them with a lick of sense, which I guess is why he is still going to work and lying low. Or he might have the best attorney of the bunch, or immunity, or both.
I do think it’s possible that neither Casey nor any acquaintence of hers had ever heard of Jose Baez prior to her arrest on Wednesday, July 16 at 4:30pm.
Baez could have accepted her as a client in the belief (even if doubtful) that she had a few thousand for a retainer, and by the time he found out she was penniless, the story was national, so he accepted the loss of that promised retainer in lieu of a guaranteed “Geragos moment.”
Following her arrest in the late afternoon of July 16, Baez saw Casey for the first time on July 17 from 11:11:34 – 15:53:15. He returned later that day with his colleague Gabriel Adam for a visit from 19:10:15 – 21:19:23. Adam left and Baez continued to meet with Casey from 21:29:23 – 22:09:21. By the time he left the jail that night, the story was getting national coverage, coverage that was almost constant from that point on.
While Baez and Adam were meeting with Casey at the OC Jail, Nancy Grace devoted half of her Thursday, July 17 show to the story, including a call-in from Cindy Anthony and live reporting from the Anthony home regarding a cadaver dog search.
Jose Baez was a guest on Nancy Grace the following day, Friday, July 18.
Cindy was on Geraldo’s show Saturday night, July 19. George, Cindy, and Lee were on The Today Show on the morning of Monday, July 21. Cindy was on Greta on the night of July 21.
By Monday, July 21, Nancy Grace was claiming, “We now learn the grandmother, who has been with us, was with us last week, has been all over the media in her efforts to try to find her little granddaughter, is now saying she`s ready to forgive her daughter for whatever she did wrong.”
And Cindy WAS all over the media, desperate to keep her version of the story alive and to keep the coverage national.
In addition to other appearances by Cindy and George (local and national outlets), Jose Baez and Cindy were on Larry King Live on July 29.
Baez has been on other national news programs since then, and he could probably get an interview whenever he wanted.
I just don’t see, given the rapid and unabating coverage of this story almost immediately following Casey’s arrest, that there has to be mysterious connection between Casey and Baez to explain why he took on her case. And while I have read many theories on the forums that claim a connection existed between Casey and Baez prior to her arrest, I don’t find any of those theories at all convincing.
Maura, thank for your contributions, I can see you know the facts of this case well. Your right, it could be exactly as you said, I have no evidence to refute it.
B
Blink I would like to say to you that I think you are a profoundly couragious soul to be willing to revisit such dark and evil madness of the worst of humankind to take up the causes of such tragic children like caylee, jacob, daniel and all the other missing and murdered children in your articles in order to see justice done.I most sincerely thank you and all who assist you in your cause and wish you peace.
Thank you, Blink. I wouldn’t be over here if I weren’t addicted to your posts and comments. I’ve never been hooked on any legal case before this one, and my obsession is firmly rooted in the discovery releases. I learned by the end of September that I’d have to take notes to keep track of everything, and I also learned the hard way to save long comments that required significant information searches to compile.
I just looked up an old comment I had written to explain why I believe Leonard Padilla was recruited by Jose Baez. I was reminded of this because of the prior comment about Baez’s probably willingness to take on Casey as a client in exchange for the extraordinary publicity it would give him. I don’t know Leonard and you do, so I don’t expect you to agree with my perceptions and I freely acknowledge I could be wrong.
From comments made a mere one week after Baez met with Casey at the jail, it seems clear that publicity was very much on Baez’s mind. George Anthony, during an interview on July 24, told OSCO: “Baez . . . I don’t talk to that guy very much. I don’t . . . like I said I’m . . . he’s in it for other reasons besides what he should be concentrating on. That’s how I feel ‘cause he’s saying ‘I want to get this guy, I want to get special (inaudible) . . . and I want dog guy . . . “
The only person I can think of who would be described as “dog guy” is Duane “Dog” Chapman, the bounty hunter who has had his own reality TV show on A&E since 2004. He’s a high profile bounty hunter with a well-known name, even among people who don’t watch his show. I looked him up, and he was promoting his 100th episode last year and has an average of two million viewers per show. My gut says Baez wanted him because he IS so well known. Maybe Dog didn’t want to get involved in the case or maybe he couldn’t fit it into his schedule or maybe A&E wouldn’t let him do it.
If Baez wanted a bounty hunter, maybe Leonard Padilla was his second choice because Leonard had a four-episode bounty hunter show on National Geographic Channel that ran on four successive weeks in January 2008. When Leonard made his first appearance on Nancy Grace on August 15, here is what he said about how he got involved:
“GRACE: I`m fine. Who contacted you about this case, sir?
PADILLA: The original contact came from a friend of mine in New York, who suggested that there was something that could be done here. And I myself and my family have gotten involved in high-profile cases in the past, and sometimes it required bailing a person out of jail so they could talk to somebody other than law enforcement.
Obviously, in this particular situation, he put me in contact with the attorney, and I discussed it with the attorney. And as long as there`s no interference with his defense of the young lady or interference with the law enforcement, I said to my nephew, I said, Look, if we get her out of jail, she`s liable to be more pliable as far as talking to somebody. She`s sat in there for 30 days. It hasn`t done law enforcement any good. Let`s take a run at it.”
If Leonard’s friend from NY put Leonard in contact with Jose Baez, then it seems likely to me that the friend was a go-between who was fronting for Baez.
I do believe Jose Baez was rounding up people he perceived would take on the job for the publicity alone, just as he himself appears to have agreed to represent Casey for the one-in-a-million level of publicity this case offers.
I’ve also wondered if Larry Garrison was tapped by Baez since he had previously been involved in the Natalie Holloway case, so he had experience with a missing persons case and a certain level of name recognition. However, it’s certainly possible that he contacted Cindy on his own and without any prompting. Cindy claimed Larry Garrison contacted her in late July to offer advice in handling media; she said people warned her about Larry but she trusted him after talking to him. Even if Baez had nothing to do with Garrison’s offer to help the Anthonys, the fact that he contacted Cindy in late July is another piece of support for my contention that very early on this case was perceived by many to be a vehicle that would virtually guarantee household-name-recognition to anyone associated with it.
Very well researched, but I can progress this quickly: Skip Davis.
Skip Davis is the connection, the end.
B
blink, your right re:comment #422 i re read report a few times and too much of a overall general narrative to make anything of anyway.but i do strongly dislike that the interviewer accepts that she was living with her boyfriend without asking what custodial arrangements or such were made for caylee if she wasnt living with her?wtf?
It seems to me that some give Casey way too much credit for thinking things thru. Remember with her being pregnant with Caylee, and she said she wasnt pregnant and said “I would have had to have had sex to be pregnant” , she was 7 months pregnant and there was no way that any lie was gonna get her out of that. But with no thought to what do I do in 2 more months when I have the baby, she lies
Same thing with taking the detectives to her “office”, she led them all the way there before she admitted to the lie.
Seems to me she never thinks ahead with her lies. So to me some big elaborate plan ahead of time just isnt likely to be true. She lies and then takes the next step only when she is faced with what is next.
Same goes for getting moms house for her and amy to live in, another lie that she doesnt stop to think well what happens when amy never gets to move in.
Also whether she is sociopath, or narcisstic, or whatever, she tells a lie and then believes it herself, so it doesnt matter if the lie doesnt sound reasonble to millions, it makes perfect sense to her
I dont believe that she was ever a prostitute, she was all about finding love and moving out of her parents, she was never about supporting herself and any claims of saving money to buy a house is just another story. I would never believe she had $1400 in the bank unless I saw a bank statement saying that. Her retainer cheque to Baez probably bounced just like all her other cheques. I also think that george and cindy have always tried to believe her lies and they do believe until they are faced with it in black and white, that it is really just another lie. George has his moments of not believing but I think Cindy always manages to convince him to give her the benefit of doubt until proven. If they really believed that she lied just for the sake of lying, I think they would have been able to boot her out of the house, and do the “tough love” approach, which would have benefitted Casey much more than their allowing her to run their lives. ie: all the stealing money. I went thru a little of this with my son and when I knew he was lying to me,and stealing from me, he got a boot out the door. And it did amazing things to help put him back on track. And now he is a great kid and dad to his son. I am a very strong believer in Tough Love if you want your kid to learn from life lessons. But if you enable them,and cover for them, then you get a kid like Casey. Sorry this turned out to be a long spiel but if it even helps one reader with their child then it is worth saying
#498 from Maura
I have had the exact same thoughts on Baez and Casey and am totally in agreement
There is no mysterious connection between Casey and Baez. She got his name while waiting to be booked sitting with other women and she asked if anyone knew a good lawyer and someone gave her Baez’ name. No funny business here. Same question was asked by Cindy on one of the first jailhouse visits. Shouldn’t be hard to find, sorry I can’t provide a date for the jailhouse video you’ll just have to sort through. I should look for it cause everyone asks the same question.
http://online.wsj.com/public/resources/documents/graceruling.pdf
Page 4
Maura, thanks for the video of Lee pre-first and cancelled jail visit. Interesting, he says he has ‘gut feelings’ on what is going on with the missing Caylee, brother or uncle standpoint, but he ignores those ‘gut feelings’. Interesting to look back now. Thanks.
Maura, I’m so glad to see the comment you left. Right before opening up this page, (for the 1,000th time today, ha) I was just telling my husband what I thought of the theories of Baez/Casey prior to this case. I was telling him that I had a shady past he knows nothing about, lol. I’m now 40yrs. old, but when I was 18yrs. I got a traffic ticket that I never paid. I suppose at 18 I thought it would disappear, pay itself, who knows…. Needless to say, I learned the hard way that is not how it works. One day while driving (speeding) I got stopped, and lo’ and behold, that ticket from 5yrs. prior, popped up on my record, and I got a free ride to jail. Aside from being the most awful thing EVER, just riding in the car handcuffed, then I got the whole jail experience, before being bailed out 2 hours later. Ughhhh. I WILL pay any ticket I ever get again. My point is this…. While standing in the booking room, and also in a holding cell waiting to get OUT, I not only heard the name of many lawyers, (talk among inmates trying to leave) but also saw many names posted on the walls, beside the phones, by the entry to the booking room, etc.
I’ve never thought that Casey knew Baez prior to any of this. Of course, as I always say, everyone has their own thoughts and opinions and I respect that. However, I feel the problem with this case sometimes is that it’s simply so bizarre, that we tend to delve too deep to find answers (in certain situations)….. There are times I feel people, myself included, give Casey entirely too much credit for really thinking deeply and/or intelligently when it comes to some of the answers we strive to find. As I said, I’m certainly guilty of over-analyzing things at times myself, and I truly feel in the case of Casey knowing Baez prior to this case, this is definitely one of those times.
Pffffftttt, I hate typos, especially when they make me look like I can’t add. ha! My last post should have read…. The ticket from 2yrs. prior…. I typed 5yrs… that would have made me 13yrs. old when I got the ticket, and I’m guessing it would have been for more than just speeding if that had been the case….ughhhh!!! Sorry for looking like a doofus!
Blink!
Can you clarify your reponse to #334–
“I KNOW Baez knows her prints on the duct tape. There is no speculation on my part, he knows.”
Her prints = casey?
You stated that there is no speculation? “No speculation” meaning “fact” caseys prints Are on the tape?
I have been thinking about this since you wrote it, and since I am one of the people who is undecided of her guilt or innocence. I would have to say finding her prints on the tape would have to be a changing point in my perception of the case. Because how else could her finger prints be put on the duct tape unless she put them there?
I would have thought that with the length of time in the woods, being under water and the decomp that the odds of finding finger prints would be slim. Unless something with the adhesive would preserve the prints. I will have to see what I can find out on the subject.
You will not find it in research, I am telling you that her prints are on the tape. I respect anyone’s right to dismiss my opinion; however, I stand by it. Casey Anthony’s latents are on the duct tape on her baby’s face, period.
B
Hey Maura, Thanks for the video link. I had lloked for it until I was cross-eyed and fish-lipped.
And I think you are correct. Once JB saw stars, She could have been penniless with a third arm hanging from her forehead and he still would have shared licorice with her.
RED RANGER got ur response about casey nightmares as per nat. enq., good,finally something human about her feelings,i would think the nightmares are about her comptemplating being put to death,(speaks to guilt,imo)
Post #500 if latent prints have not been found than why would le have obtained fingerprints from lee cindy and george? I should think there was some print found somewher eincriminating and outside the norm.
The human body, when going through decomposition, leaves a waxy residue behind on many of the things it has touched. It would be the ultimate poetic justice if residue from Caylee’s little decomposed body wrapped itself around the fingerprints on the tape and protected those finger prints from being damaged, preserving the identity of her killer.
Red, this baby will be heard, and I thank you for your help in that effort.
Humbled,
B
I noticed in the autopsy a reference to a bit of gray cloth found with the remains and am wondering if cindy provided the detectives with those gray slacks of caseys that she found and washed.I remember she mentioned their condition but did the slacks get confiscated? Or are they gone forever?
Re: Comment #507
Wendy, thank you for sharing your booking experience. What you described relative to the attorneys’ contact information in the holding cells and near the telephones is what I have always wondered about.
I was particularly wondering if the lawyers have a little mini-CV near their contact information to give potential clients a sense of what cases they’ve handled. In his three years of practive, Jose Baez has had three newsworthy cases. He defended the mayor. He defended Nilton Diaz, a man accused (and convicted) of killing the two-year-old daughter of his girlfriend. That case was particularly newsworthy because the child was the granddaughter of a celebrated Puerto Rican boxer.
Even more interesting, though, is that Baez defended an Orange County woman accused of kidnapping an infant in September 2006. I was thinking that Casey would have been drawn to Jose Baez if she heard from an inmate that the kidnapping was one of his cases or if she read it on any type of brochure he left at the jail. Casey knew LE wasn’t buying her kidnapping babysitter story, so maybe she would have been keen to be represented by a lawyer who, from experience, might give her the benefit of the doubt.
http://www.wftv.com/news/9937341/detail.html
melissab, yes, that’s the ’story’ but why take anything that Casey says to Baez who repeats the story of how Casey got his name from the jail booking room. Casey told Cindy too, so it’s still ‘Casey says…’.
We have that one story, but some of us (me with intuition– something doesn’t ’seem’ right) is all I have to go on. We’ll wait and see if anything shows up as things progress. I just don’t take Casey’s word at face value, she was twisting too much too often. (like very sentence)
This Skip Davis?
“Skip Davis (aka: The Wolf) of 105.5 radio show in Ft Walton Beach, FL – wanted to remove all of the stuffed animals from Caylee’s memorial on Suburban Drive, Orlando, FL”
Did he get involved on his own? And would he be the one to have called Leonard’s friend in NY or is there no friend in NY?
Skip Davis is the former producer of A Current Affair or Hard Copy, I forget which.
B
Maura, the Larry Garrison connection– Anthony’s knew him from some years ago when he came to buy a puppy Cocker Spaniel from them. Was in one of George’s interviews, must have been the FBI tapes, that George explained this, and about how he was a bit jealous of this man at first, but they became good friends.
Skip Davis– now that’s one more new name to me. Boy, some things you can’t keep up with!
I hope you don’t nind my posting here. I would not consider myself anywhere near the intelligence or experience of many who post here nor do I play such on tv I am simply a 23 year old daughter and mother with a thriving 5 year od daughter of my own. I love my child more than my own life and I cherish my mother.I consider myself and my child lucky to have each other and am only following the facts of this case because I fail to ubderstand how so many could have failed caylee. That said I would like to state my own theory of this case. I believe caylee died on 6/15 and her mother killed her.. I think it clear the anthony family and her dt knows it. I also think the condition of the shorts found with caylee shows she died on the 15th and that someone placed those shorts there much later to try in a rather obvious and lame attempt to make it look as if caylee herself were placed there much later than june during the time casey was in jail. I think what has been uncovered by le and by others who care about this baby girl supports my theory and others who have reached the same conclusion.and have said so here.. Thanks for letting me share. I hope caylee gets justice.
Ok… Skip Davis is a ‘freelance producer’, as per a Wesh.com story from December18th. It’s a start…
http://www.wesh.com/news/18318021/detail.html
“There were some tense moments on Saturday at the memorial for Caylee at the crime scene that’s filled with stuffed animals.
People became furious after a freelance producer said he was going to remove all the toys and gifts from the scene.
“This is so wrong and we will not let you take it,” said a person at the memorial.
Skip Davis said he would take the toys to a home for underprivileged children in Orlando. He said the Anthony family asked him to do it.
Even though Davis said he would take the gifts, after the altercation with the crowd of onlookers, he left without taking anything.”
Ok Blink… back to your article ‘Casey/Caylee Anthony Case: Why We SO Care How Team Baez et al, is Getting Paid.
http://scaredmonkeys.com/2009/01/30/caseycaylee-anthony-case-why-we-so-care-how-team-baez-et-al-is-getting-paid/
Since this article was written, Judge Strickland has ‘ok’d the source of funding ‘in camera’– what did he see, I wonder??? What did JB show him and was it the whole truth and nothing but the truth, or something else to satisfy the friendly judge?
And Skip Davis knows? Do you have a quote, Blink??
scott ,anonoymous, sunday poster, what gives about the shorts? do tell,i am interested ,i heard cindy describe those shorts,in the 911, and knew they were caylees,and knew they would probably be found with the body,that they must of been the ones in poppa video ,and the last thing to be wearing .Do you disagree that they showed up at the remains scene later than the body,or that they were decomposed at a different level than other clothing? or what?
re: post 111, Blink wrote:
“Kleat I am shocked at no link for you (lol). You read that here. Keith Williams interview.
B?
Ohboy, did I ever get caught out on that one!! But that was someone I could ONLY read here, because it’s surely not in the LE Williams interviews, either one of them, is it!!
I’m going to post the link for anyone who hasn’t read the article (or like me, read it then forgot where I read what I read! oops…. major apologies Blink!! Sometimes everything is overwhelming!.
http://blinkoncrime.com/2009/03/16/casey-anthony-case-bombshell-development-cindy-anthony-saw-bag-found-at-scene-in-august-2/#more-488
(talks about George giving Williams a ride home from Amscot, but also, about George and others reading here….)
Blink, what was George calling Valencia about on December 11th? Maybe that’s another bit I’ve forgotten– was George working security there at the time?
The operator never told Keith (per Keith) why he was on the phone, just that he was, so dunno..
B
I think casey killed caylee and left clues that sends a message to her family. The fathers day balloon found gives the date caylee died as 6/15 imo. The place she put caylees body was also chosen to send a message.and she left her smelly car and her purse at amscot so her parents would know that she killed caylee. Ske was in my opinion expecting to get caught much sooner than she did and did not care and does not still care that she got caught amd wanted herfamily to look for and find caylee and left them Clues to caylees location and must think her family stupid and lazy for not finding her sooner.jmo
I remember that the cops asked cindy to bring the grey slacks( they knew they had been washed) to them, so media would not know about it but it seems to me , and i could be wrong, but she was gonna bring the slacks with her for the next interview they were gonna have but there doesnt seem to be another interview after that. At least not one that was published.Cindy said those slacks were offered to the police but nobody seemed concerned with them so she washed them. Seems to me that after that they talked only to FBI. There was never any mention of the slacks having a whole in them
this is the link when cindy talks about the slacks
http://humbleopinion.net76.net/interviews/cindy%20anthony.pdf line 18
oops just noticed there is more than 1 that is numbered 18 so look at page 2081 at the above link
And as I am still awake and don’t work tomorrow I would also like to add that I don’t have a theory as to how or why caylee was killed and I don’t want to know. Casey would like us to chase her riddles and lexicons but I don’t think its necessary. I would not give her the satisfactionam I jus feel certain now that caylee has been found and knowing where she was found it was her mother who killed her. She gave the police the name of her killer and thanks to blinks investigation we now know that zg is really casey. And when she was asked why she did not report caylee missing she replied that she was using her own resourses meaning her family which supports my theory. She also took the detectives to all the places she herself has been and this is why le suspected caylee was dead and that casey killed her. And the how and why may never be known now that casey has shut up and gives no more of her clues. But imo casey spoke the truth of caylee in her own twisted way and stated quite clearly when she was questioned that she did not kill caylee to be free of her, she could have left her with her parents if that was the case and that has a ring of truth to me that statement
And finally as my child sleeps soundly in her bed and our windows and doors firmly locked to keep the freaks pedophiles and other ordinary riff raff out and my child safe I would like to say I feel certain that it is not the wheels of a bus heading for the anthonys but a fast moving train. What misguided fools cheeseandrice. Good night all
Anyone that puts cheese and rice in a post is cool with me, lol.
B
Has anyone wondered why by the 24th of June 2008 George was already calling the police to report the gas cans stolen and also was he repeatedly telling the tale of Casey coming home that day as well acting peculiar and not wanting him in the trunk and how he stresses she had the gas cans in her trunk. he obviously wants to tie her to the cans /tape as early as the 24th of June 1 week after this tragedy occured? Like he knew about the duct tape to be found on Caylee and washing HIS hands off that..CASEY had the cans and in HER car ect…ect…hmmmmmmmmmmmmm……….is that why perhaps just pieces of tape were on Caylee?? Would a former cop know how to poss. place that tape without implicating HIMSELF?????? hmmmmmm he and Casey had really been battling Cindy’s co-workers have said..was he sick of her blackmailing him maybe???????? YouTube caylee marie anthony greta otr 2…bigjuicykungfu’s channel.
A little insight to those who wonder about Casey’s jobs and money earned. I am a spoiled rotten (only) child with an only child. My Mother harbours a lot of guilt for the way she raised me, nothing bad happened she just wasn’t ready for a child, but when I had her Grandson she went into full Saint Grandmother mode. I never bought a diaper, toy or anything. I am married, good income, great marriage, good relationship with Mom now but I have NEVER to this day paid for a thing for my child. Casey did not need a job, Cindy paid for Caylee without question. She wasn’t dumb enough to ask Casey to pick up diapers.
Dear j.g.
You wrote: “On the 24th Cindy tried to cash a stimulus check for 1200, and George had to go sign it…If Cindy or George had a good standing with a bank account then this would have not been necessary.
That is 100000% incorrect!!! The pure and simple fact is if the check came in BOTH of their names from the U.S. Gov’t, BOTH signatures are necessary. Not only that, but a GOOD BANK that follows the law also requires both parties to be present to cash a gov’t check if it’s not being deposited into a joint banking account.
How do I know? This is how:
My husand and I keep separate bank accounts for a number of reasons…like the fact we disagree on his spending habits. Well, I’m sure Cindy doesn’t have George with her on a joint account (no wonder). A few years ago, I went on a Sat to cash our tax return. It’ was under $1000 because he works for himself and normally we pay, not get money back. When I went in they said since the check was in both of our names, and we didn’t have a joint account, he would have to present to fully cash the check. We had plans for the money and I didn’t want to deposit half in his and take my half….so he had to come in, which he did.
I was allllll mad and stuff, but later (once I simmered down) realized it was to protect not just those named on the check, but the bank. We have our house loan, my husband’s bank account and mine there, but separate checking. The bank explained they have no way of knowing we didn’t separate the day before and here I come in trying to gain his portion. I get it now, but that’s a fact. In virginia anyway.
Oh…and to add to the gov’t check thing. The loan officer at the bank grew up with my husband’s father and even loaned us his own money once yrs ago when we were in a tight spot (15k that is, which was paid back soon as we straightened out our finances). He came to speak to me initially before hubby got to the bank and appologized, but insisted they couldn’t go against policy. My credit score is 810 and my hubby’s 790…so don’t say we don’t have good standing with the bank.
Responding to comment by Kleat — June 28, 2009 @ 9:39 pm
Kleat,
In George’s July 24 OCSO interview, page 55, he said he and Cindy had known Paul Kelly, a local lawyer, since around 1990. Kelly had gone to an orthopedic clinic where Cindy was then working to have some work done on his foot. Cindy got to know him, then he showed up at the Anthony house to buy a cocker spaniel puppy. George said he was jealous of Kelly at first, but Kelly has become a close family friend and helped George with some worker’s compensation claims.
I don’t believe either George or Cindy had any connection to Larry Garrison before he contacted Cindy in late July 2008.
RE: the shorts. Maybe since it’s because casey wanted to be sure the clothes George said Caylee was last seen wearing were at the location. Pretty clear she went back to check on things more than once…or at the least walked by.
My mom and I have argued about this case. She posts here too. Mom was very mad that noone in the anthony clan called about caylee for so long and couldn’t understand it. I made the mistake of telling my mom that if I told her my daughter was with someone else and not available for over a month that she would believe me. She very scarily convinced me that I was wrong. That said I remember one of those talking head shrinks on the ng show “hello friend” on the day that cindys final 911 call was played ‘there is something wrong” that cindy knew the truth and became undone. And that cindy has been trying to undo the truth ever since.I thought this analysis made some sense at the time and still does.
Responding to comment by susan — June 28, 2009 @ 10:07 pm
Susan, below is the exchange from Cindy’s second 911 call on July 15. She is clearly describing Casey and what Casey was wearing at that moment, not what Caylee was wearing. She described Casey’s shorts as pink, teal, white, and black plaid, which is not at all similar to the description of the shorts found with Caylee’s remains:
Cindy told the 911 dispatcher that Casey (the daughter she wanted to have arrested) was standing right next to her. The dispatcher asked Cindy for a description of Casey:
“Cindy: 5 foot one and a half
Dispatcher: thin, medium or heavy build?
Cindy: thin
Dispatcher: color hair?
Cindy: brown
Dispatcher: what color shirt is she wearing?
Cindy: white
Dispatcher: what color pants
Cindy: (sighs) they’re shorts, they’re plaid, they’re like pink and teal and white… Black plaid.”
In the videotape taken at the nursing home on June 15, Caylee was wearing a robin’s egg blue shirt and plain white shorts (no colored stripes of any type).
George told LE that when Casey and Caylee left around 1:00pm on June 16, Casey was wearing pinstriped dress slacks and an off-white top. He said Caylee was wearing a blue jean skirt, pink top, white sneakers, and white sunglasses and was carrying a backpack decorated with monkeys.
The clothing found with Caylee’s remains on December 11 consisted of a pink top (with iron-on letters) and white shorts with thin vertical stripes in pink, orange, and green and a pink button on the front. There was a Dora the Explorer (“Adorable”) backpack with the remains, but no sneakers or sunglasses.
Hi. Does anyone know if the Anthonys or their lawyers are going to court today. I thought I read somewhere that they would be back in court on the 29th for the civil suit.
The comments here are excellent as I am fairly new, have not finished reading all comments.
I have it on good authority that the Cocker Spaniel, Checkers, owned by RMN was bought from the A’s as well. Maura, can you find that link? TIA.
I think George had had a butt full of Casey’s tantrums and stealing. She treated the whole family horribly, him especially. He knew what happened to his gas cans. But he now had a police report to threaten her with. If he had to have her arrested he was starting with something small. I think he was at his wits end and did not really know what to do. As an addendum to this thought, I also think he smelled his grandbaby on the day his cans returned to his possesion.
And to spoiled MelissaB. Ask mom if she wants to adopt an old fat bald guy. We can have really cool family BBQ’s and she can set her sights on knocking out my mortgage.
George stated in his interview Caylee was wearing a pink shirt and jean skirt when he last saw her on June 16th. Not the striped shorts. Casey described she was wearing a pink shirt and jean shorts the last time she saw her on June 16th. No mention of the striped shorts. Was she wearing the striped shorts on Father’s day June 15th? Does anyone know? I don’t recall seeing the shorts she was wearing when she visited her great grandfather that day. I know she was wearing a blue shirt. But this may not even matter. If she went swimming in the afternoon/evening who knows what clothes she was changed into after her swimsuit. Striped shorts may have been grabbed by Casey if she stormed out after an argument with Caylee in tow. Caylee was probably wearing the shirt with the big trouble comes small lettering and the swim diaper or pullup with no shorts on as Blink suggests by the autopsy report. Cindy probably knows that Caylee was wearing that shirt when she last saw her on June 15th.
Re: The shorts
I looked at Target’s line of Circo clothing hoping to find a pair of shorts similar to those described by the ME. Those shorts were not on the Target website, so they are probably past-season.
What I did see is that a number of girls’ toddler shorts on the website were made of cotton canvas or cotton twill. That is a far more sturdy material than the cotton jersey that t-shirts are made of, so simply relative to the differences in durability of different 100% cotton materials, it would be expected that the t-shirt would fall apart long before the shorts, if the shorts were made of a twill or canvas material.
So I would not draw any conclusions about the condition of the shorts compared to the condition of the t-shirt until I knew what type of 100% cotton material the shorts are made of.
Definately possible, but not what I believe personally, Maura. Either LE thinks those shorts were placed there at a later time, or they think the defense will make an argument they were, imo.
B
Also if the anthonys found something in the backyard on 7/3 they would have known for sure that caylle and casey were not on vacation or getting some space and time to bond. My mom literally exploded when I told her she would believe what I tell her. The explosion was so gross.
“You will not find it in research, I am telling you that her prints are on the tape. I respect anyone’s right to dismiss my opinion; however, I stand by it. Casey Anthony’s latents are on the duct tape on her baby’s face, period.
B”
Blink, why hasn’t Casey Anthony taken a plea deal yet? With her fingerprints on the duct tape covering the mouth of her murdered child, there is no way she will be acquitted. If she doesn’t take a plea deal, she will be convicted of capital murder and sentenced to death. Do you think the prosecution hasn’t offered a deal yet?
Also, Blink. How do George and Cindy Anthony explain Casey’s fingerprints on the duct tape? Surely they don’t believe they were planted there by the police.
The anthony clan must get off “lfantasy island” and come forward with the truth about what they found in the car and the backyard on 7/3. What a bunch of maroooons. Toot toot hear the train coming?
George and Cindy were interviewed by the FBI on July 30 and July 31, respectively.
On August, 4, George and Cindy were interviewed for the last time by OCSO. George was interviewed by Eric Edwards (audio released); George said he would cooperate and would contact LE with his Epass information, which he never did (his Epass records were recovered via subpeona per Nov 5 report 11-26 Part 4). Cindy was also interviewed by Eric Edwards; at the end of the interview, Cindy said she would voluntarily hand over Casey’s gray pants. She did not, nor did she return any LE phone calls after that date. The pants were recovered via search warrant per 11-5 report in 11-26 Part 4 Discovery.
To add, OCSO were actively seeking to question the Anthony’s just prior to their representation by Brad Conway. They refused to do so without immunity.
B
I buy Circo shorts from Target for my two girls. If it’s the ones that were in that one picture/video of Casey and Caylee playing on the floor, yes they are a thicker cotton mix than just a t-shirt. Definitely more durable.
MAURA, i appreciate being checked and even proven wrong,but the shorts in the nursing home video are,pink plaid, the white balance makes the stripes hard to see ,caylee seems to own plaid shorts in various colors,(purple,in the video of her & casey rolling around on the carpet)i searched for what casey was wearing that night, earlier at the bank that day it is jeans & a spaghetti strapped top,the only next outfit i find is the blue sports top and jeans ,that she is arrested in,plaid shorts are caylee’s thing ,the shorts in the video are pink teal and white ,the black was added as a red herring(imo),i stand corrected if the shorts with the remains are orange and green based ,BUT I’d rather stand corrected that casey was wearing plaid shorts at that time(ANYONE?),cindy seems to me to be describing from memory and casey’s clothed limbs are right next to her.
Funny, Red Ranger. And speaking of clothing materials, are Circo 100% cotton shorts as durable as respectable Republican cloth coats?
Maura, thanks for the correction on the Garrison thing. I heard that cocker spaniel deal, obviously remembered incorrectly. I think maybe it was early on and unlike you, I wasn’t keeping notes! Thanks!
But now I seem to be missing the early LE interviews. George came by separately too, to have a chat with his buddies to get info in case things were going to go in a bad direction, so he could break it to Cindy, and also to apologize to his LE investigator/collegues(not) about Cindy’s ‘grandmother thing’ behaviour.
Going to try to fill in this gap and find the source of the (I assume) ‘pre-FBI’ interviews besides the one single one with George.
Blink,
I meant to comment earlier that I was quite impressed by your observation that Caylee could not have been wearing the shorts when she was left in the woods. I hadn’t caught that at all. But you are correct that the shorts were found in area A with the skull whereas Caylee’s pelvis and femurs were found in area F. She could not have been wearing the shorts.
I can’t tell from the discovery whether she was definitely wearing the pink shirt when her body was left in the woods. She could have been wearing the shirt since the arm bones and skull were with the scraps of t-shirt that remained or the shirt could have been placed in the back along with the shorts. It’s not possible to tell because so little of the t-shirt was left and the material is not durable.
TY, fwiw, only part of her pelvis was recovered, not to be graphic but the animal activity on the femoral ends would also not be probable/possible had she been wearing them. I am sure the shirt was in the bag, but Im not sure we can determine beyond that.
B
Hop on board the train you anthonys while you still can do it for caylee and let the train head straight for casey driven by the state of florida. Her ship has sailed and she left you behind.
Hi fellow Blinkers, you all are boggling my mind. I used to be an avid reader of the crime/mystery variety and thought of myself as a pretty good sleuth. Not anymore!! Don’t need books anymore because indeed truth is stranger than fiction, this site has certainly backed that up. I feel like I “know” many of you and I thank Blink and all of you for your thoughtful and intelligent posts. Madoff got 150 years and everyone clapped, let’s hope justice is served and Casey gets the same, believe me, I think this would get a standing O!
Or was Cindy describing the shorts as she knew them to be at the crime scene, directly or through Casey?
Because if the baby were kidnapped and killed by someone else in time for the ‘timeline’ of skeletonization/botany, the shorts would be the same as Caylee was last seen with (if that is a true story by George). Casey came into the home to get things, they knew she was in and out, maybe she realized that the baby had no shorts ‘on’ her so she better pack some in the package, or visit the site and add the shorts later. (did she forget to use the same shorts as described to the police by George?).
If the shorts were added later, that would be supported by the description given by Cindy. Can Casey tie these shorts to a friend? Did LE photodocument all the contents of Caylee and Casey’s drawers from their first home search? Or was that too late…
George was interviewed on July 24 without Cindy’s or Lee’s knowledge. That was the interview in which he commiserated with LE about being unable to control Cindy.
He was interviewed by the FBI on July 30.
He was interviewed by OCSO on August 4 (that was the “timeline” interview).
He was picked up by LE on August 14 because Casey had asked for and received permission to meet with George in private (Casey cancelled the visit after George got to the jail). There is a little conversation from the car ride that was released to the public, but it’s not an interview.
Cindy was interviewed by the FBI on July 31.
The first half of her “timeline” interview was on August 1. They didn’t finish, so she returned on August 4.
There are no other LE interviews with George or Cindy that have been released to the public to my knowledge.
I just want to put out there that LE has the right to edit interviews, so we cannot be guaranteed 100% of the content is “pure”.
B
I still can’t get over all the theft over time all of it …. NO police calls…and he reports GAS cans only 1 week into ‘this’ missing….like that was such a BIG deal he HAD to report those gas cans missing.And he just HAD to tie HER to the trunk and car all to the gas cans ESPECIALLY.
To Brenda in Virgina, I used the stimulus check as a condensed example of the financial situation the Anthony’s were in during this time frame. Notice I said “IF” they had a good standing with “A” bank account this would not be necessary..
If they had an account with money in it…they would not have had to waste gas (it was close to $4.00 a gal, or am I wrong, at the time?)…having George come down to sign…
My statement was just an example to show how from their own mouths the financial situation was when Casey and Caylee left that last time..
And, in at least a year and a half of not having a reliable income, is it feasable to think that Casey would not have at some time been asked to stop by and pick up milk, diapers…whatever…and not having the money to pay? IF Cindy believed her daughter was gainfully employed all this time, therefore having a steady income,…Go back to M&M deposing George & him being angry at being questioned on what Casey had contributed to the household expenses…
As I said just a look at word’s from the horses mouths to try to figure out the mindset at the time…and it all began with the MONEY situation….and, I believe the money situation is playing a part in where the situation proceeded to today with the grandparents…Just my observations.
I think Geo and Cindy have no idea what caylee was wearing last time she was seen (unless the 15th is really the day, and she didn’t change outfits after the nursing home, in which case they have it on tape) since so much time had gone by when they were trying to recall. I don’t even know what I was wearing 31 days ago, much less someone I purportedly saw for just a few moments as they were leaving. Eyewitnesses who saw an event happend just MINUTES ago often come up with different recollections of what a particular person was wearing or looked like or what happened, so I just don’t think we have anything reliable to go on in the shorts dept., except for knowing what was found at the remains site and where.
It sounds like the partially decomposed and slightly dirt-stained shorts DID have some (”slight”) vegetative material growing on them (”attached”) (6447), tho perhaps not as much as the world’s sturdiest laundry bag (go, polyester!) and pooh blanket (6445-6446), but perhaps the shorts weren’t in close contact with the ground?
Re: Fingerprints
The media reported months ago that there were no fingerprints found on the duct tape, but I believe they misinterpreted the report. There was only one small report released relating an examination of the duct tape and fingerprints.
On discovery page 3782 in the documents released on February 18 (in the .pdf file marked “Evidence Submitted to FBI”) is a two-page report issued by the FBI Latent Print Operations Unit. There is very little information contained in that report.
However, the report, dated December 15, 2008, notes the following (exact wording of report between quote marks):
“Date specimens received: December 13, 2008.
“The items listed below were examined in the Latent Print Operations Unit:
ITEMS FROM MEDICAL EXAMINER’S OFFICE:
Q62-Q64 Tape
ITEMS FROM RESIDENCE:
K10 Elimination prints from George A. Anthony
K11 Elimination prints from Cynthia M. Anthony
K12 Elimination prints from Lee A. Anthony
Results of Examinations:
The requested latent print examinations were conducted, but no latent prints were detected.”
***
That’s why the media reported there were no fingerprints on the duct tape.
Q.62, Q.63, and Q.64 are the pieces of duct tape specifically mentioned in the report, and since these three pieces were released to the FBI directly from the ME’s Office, these were tape pieces found at the exact location of the remains. We now know there were several overlapping pieces of duct tape covering the lower front of Caylee’s skull.
When the Latent Print Operations Unit received those critical pieces of duct tape, I am convinced that the first thing the lab scientists did was to use all their high-tech equipment to simply look for any fingerprint evidence, period. The preliminary steps would have been to go over each piece of tape, and if any latent print was detected, it would have been lifted, dyed, mounted on a slide, photographed, preserved, etc..
If no latent prints had been found anywhere on the pieces of duct tape, that would have been the end of the duct tape examinations, and we would have seen a report in the discovery saying items Q62-Q64 were examined for fingerprints and no latent prints were found whatsoever.
I believe Blink’s information that two partial fingerprint were found somewhere on Q62-Q64. However, the forensic reports note that the tape condition was degraded. It could very well be that the two partial prints are of relatively poor quality. Moreover, “partial” doesn’t give much indication of the actual size of the prints that were recovered. “Partial” simply means “not compete or not whole.” Maybe the partials are only slivers of fingerprints or only consist of a very small portion of a full print.
At any rate, if the FBI found any prints whatsoever on the duct tape, the next step would have been to compare the print from items Q62-Q64 to the fingerprints of Casey M. Anthony, the only suspect.
FYI – Fingerprint analysis is somewhat interpretive. While each human has unique and permanent fingerprints, the fact that we have small finger pads and that there are over six billion people on the planet means that fingerprints from different individuals will have similarities in the position of whorls, ridges, loops, and arches, and if only a tiny partial print is available (not a full, clean print), it would be impossible to say with absolute confidence that the partial could ONLY come from a particular individual.
Let’s say two partial fingerprints were found on Q62-Q64, and the prints match Casey’s fingerprints on a number of point matches, but not a high number of point matches. In the United States, state jurisdictions set their own minimum point standards for fingerprint matches, and while the FBI has no minimum number that must be identified to declare an “absolutely him or her” match, the Bureau does rely on a 12-point “quality assurance” standard. Maybe there was enough of the print to make the 12-point standard, but perhaps not.
Casey is the only suspect in Caylee’s homicide, but since LE believes the items found with the remains were taken from the Anthony home, the FBI would need to rule out people who also had had easy access to those items and whose fingerprints could have been left on those items (such as exposed part of the duct tape roll) long before the item was used as part of the crime or in the commission of the crime or its cover-up.
George, Cindy, and Lee Anthony all had access to the items found at the crime scene, so the FBI examined their elimination prints against the prints found on items Q62-Q64 to rule out the possibility that the prints match a family member. After examining items Q62-Q64 with the elimination prints of George, Cindy, and Casey, the FBI concluded that no prints on the examined tape pieces matched those three people.
I could be wrong, of course, because the phrase “no latent prints were detected” is ambiguous given the narrow focus of the examination referred to in that one December 15 report. Does the phrase mean that no latent prints whatsoever were on the tape pieces or does it mean that no latent prints matching Lee, Cindy, and George were on the tape pieces?
I believe the answer is the latter (no prints matching Lee, Cindy, and George were found on the tape).
Furthermore, there is no report in any of the discovery released to the public stating that the Latent Print Operations Unit examined Casey’s prints against the tape pieces and that “no latent prints were detected.”
The bottom line is that I am confident that two partial prints were found on the duct tape, but the main question for me is: How good is the quality of those partials? If the prints are small or smudged or both, perhaps the FBI could only make a 2 or 3 or 4 point match on them with Casey’s prints. That’s still good evidence (and will be persuasive to the jury), but it wouldn’t necessarily be strong enough to make Team Casey buckle in capitulation. There would still be room for reasonable doubt.
Nevertheless, the partials, like the hair with postmortem banding, may not be forensically strong enough to seal the deal beyond all doubt, but the prosecutors will explain the prints in a common-sense context. The hair was missing the bulb, so only mitochondrial (maternal) DNA could be extracted, and the mitochondrial profile might potentially match 50,000 people in central Florida. But with the characteristics of decomposition on the hair and the fact that it was found in Casey Anthony’s trunk, the defense isn’t going to be able to overcome implications. Because what are the chances that a hair from one of those 50,000 people, a hair clearly having come from a corpse, would end up in Casey Anthony’s trunk? Similarly, while the partial prints may not reach a “we’ve got her” level of certainty, the fact is that all other evidence points to Casey Anthony, so a small number of point matches would still be compelling, especially if the prints could not have come from Cindy, George, or Lee.
I agree the press misrepresented the findings on the prints entirely. But I think in acutality there is more than 2 partials on that tape now that I have seen it actually overlaps in several strips. Recently Linda K Baden said there is NO DNA on the tape, which leads me to believe those findings are back to the defense, thus her statement.
B
I understand those who are suspicious about Geo calling the cops about his gas cans (guess who responded, btw? Worthless officer Cain(!) who attempted to dust but found no latent prints), but I can also understand Geo being at the end of his rope with kc’s stealing, and—since the poor henpecked fellow’s only domain may have been his four little sheds (and perhaps the garage)– I can imagine him finding the lock smashed and lying there, gas and gas cans gone (when gas prices were very high), and simply flipping his lid. I think he knew very well who had taken them, and wanted to put the fear of god in her, as others have said.
Casey claimed to have received a short phone call from Caylee around noon on July 15, so if she had taken the opportunity to return to the remains to plant clothing, it would not have been in her interest to plant clothes that matched the clothing Caylee was wearing in the June 15 nursing home clip or that matched the clothing George described to LE as what he recalled they were wearing on June 16.
Lee testified that when OCSO arrived on the night of July 15, he and Casey were put in the garage while Cindy and George talked to the deputies. Lee said that despite their separation, he and Casey could hear every word spoken. It was Lee’s belief (and I agree) that Casey wrote the date July 9 in her statement because Cindy was 100% positive that she had last seen Caylee on Sunday, June 8. My hypothesis is that George told LE that he recalled Caylee’s clothes on June 16 (blue jean skirt, pink top), and that is why Casey included a pink top and jean shorts in her statement. I can easily believe that George misremembered what Caylee was wearing even if he was certain that he had last seen her in the jean skirt and pink top.
Or it’s possible that George did remember accurately but when Casey and Caylee returned to the house later that afternoon, Casey changed Caylee’s clothes to something different. Maybe Caylee had a potty accident or a lunch accident and spilled something on her clothes. In fact, something like that could have been the triggering event for whatever happened that ended Caylee’s life.
George’s description of what Caylee was wearing as different from the shorts found at the scene, so his testimony is convenient and goes to support Caylee being in the hands of someone else, who changed the baby into those plaid shorts before killing her, if it was Casey, and IF George’s testimony (memory) is correct about the time, date and description of what the baby was wearing, is truthful and correct, then the shorts as George described, should also be with the baby. Maybe they were there also and we don’t know it.
But if the shorts, as Blink theorizes, were not on the baby during decomposition and if their condition does not support the shorts being in contact with the decomp, they could have been added to the scene later, using the description that Cindy gave about the plaid shorts. That is convenient– how did Cindy, or Casey know that the ‘kidnapper/killer’ would put that description of shorts on the baby?
Did Casey go jogging in the neighbourhood area after July 15th?
Boo,
re:#542 Comment by boo — June 29, 2009 @ 9:31 am
I appreciate your post, and giving us insight to how a young adult might view the case. I often try to analyze what I think Casey was thinking or feeling, In actuality, there is no way of knowing her thought process or what lead her to the decisions she made.
I have a question for you and you do not need to answer it. However I am curious. You have mentioned the conversations between you and your mom. That she exploded when you told her she would believe you in a similar situation.
Knowing what you know NOW from your conversation with your mom, (hypothetically) would you tell your mom you left your child with a babysitter for X amount of days? or.. if you believed your child was with someone that cared about your child would you try to handle the situation yourself?
Is it possible that Dominic Casey was used as a ‘mule’ to drop something at the scene and if so, is he protected by client privilege for such an act?
What types of activities can someone use a lawyer for, or a PI for in covering a crime in the name of ‘defense’ of an accused?
I think, in the future, a good and relevant article that covers the defense attorney’s rights to defend vs right to knowingly present lies at trial– is it all ok except in sworn testimony? Where is the line? How is it drawn?
I have actually cinsiderd that casey may have put the bag abd the balloons at the sight prior to caylees death. I am not basing this on any facts of the case I just feel it to be possible. I.think she preplanned the site as where she would hide caylee and left the bag there as her first clue to the family.d I also believe that after the 8/5 when kw called on the anthonys with what he found, is ehen all this sm business with the anthonys began.I remembet the anthonys publiv behavior vhanging bigtime. They went from saying we are sure casey would never harm caylee she’s a very loving daughter to she is innocent. We have people watching people and this is when they deliberatly stepped in front of the train.
Susan-
P 548 I am glad you posted this as I had been trying to review that last Caylee video at the nursing home to try and get a glimpse of those shorts. I tried to save the one screen shot as a picture to see if I could enlarge it, etc. Unfortunately I didn’t have much luck, but did notice what I thought appeared as very faint pink striping, just could not verify for certain. I am sure LE will have better success than I did with that….and just by chance…if they were the same shorts…can you imagine the implications to the case??
And actually casey could have purchased a fathers day balloon on 6/9 they would have been all over the place at that time but not so much in august.
George said she was wearing white sneakers. You think that Cindy could easily look in the closet to verify that all her white sneakers were there. LE took a picture of Caylee’s white sneakers in her closet. She had 5 or 6 pairs if I recall correctly. If no sneakers were missing, how would you explain that one George?
This is a link to Caylee’s June 15 nursing home video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OS648U0xTI0&feature=PlayList&p=E7A7D191131C444E&index=3
Her shorts are visible at the end of the clip when she reaches up to give Alex a kiss. I don’t see any pattern in those shorts. I see shadows from the folds, but I do not see the shorts described by the ME: white shorts with pink, orange, and green vertical stripes.
To post 563 I would have to say no. My mom has met my babysitter and altho we both trust her, mom knows I could never be parted from my daughter for * month no way. But I thought at the time that I coulf convince her I was on vacation and took my daughter with me and that she was busy and unavailable but I was wrong to think I could.mom didn’t buy my argument.
#564
Under Florida law, no person is required to report the discovery of a corpse, so if Dominic Casey had found the remains, he wouldn’t be required to call LE or anyone else.
From what defense lawyers like Bill Sheaffer said, Jose Baez would be prevented from reporting the discovery of Caylee’s remains unless he was doing so on Casey’s instructions. Were he to report the location of the remains without Casey’s permission, he could be disbarred for acting against his client’s interests.
However, NO ONE has privilege that would cover tampering with a crime scene or evidence. If Dominic Casey or anyone else planted an item at the scene of Caylee’s remains for the purpose of misleading an investigation, he would be committing a crime and would be subject to criminal charges.
And also midwest mom it was that argument with my mom that finally made me see the truth. Up to that point I was holding out that casey could not have killed her own child. But seeing the truth in my moms reaction and the truth of cindys reaction to casey”s story and the truth about myself is when I knew casey had killed caylee.thank you for asking.you are all so smart here.
boo, i am so glad your mom set you straight, she might would act like she believes you,and maybe even believe you for a minute or hour,but thank you boo’s mom ,cuz by the time she lays her head on the pillow that night by morning the scary convincing you saw, would be triple about getting that baby home before another minute passed.and i’m awaiting your answer to #563,thanks for your input.
Blink,
I have a question, or a couple rather. There isn’t much I don’t know, or haven’t read about this case, that being said…. It’s certainly possible that over the past year I’ve forgotten something, although hard to believe, given the fact that I have read, read, and re-read everything a zillion times. I found 2 things earlier that were interesting though, and can’t believe I ever overlooked it, or never heard it, or even that I forgot it, BUT, apparently it’s one of those, because these 2 things are new to me, unless my memory has just failed me.
I just read where Cindy’s mother Shirley stated that Caylee called her twice. She said the first time she wasn’t quite sure it was Caylee, but the 2nd time she was almost sure it wasn’t, in fact she stated it sounded almost like a recording of her voice. First of all, when my girls were little, a couple of times they hit redial on my phone while playing with it, and ended up calling someone. Those times they probably just jabbered or said nothing at all, given they didn’t realize they called anyone. When I dialed the phone for them at times, told them we were calling Grandma, they would talk and answer if asked a question by Grandma. I guess my hangup with this is, Shirley seems to be just about the only honest person in the family, so I believe she is telling the truth of course. I can also see Casey setting up some type of alibi by doing something of that nature, however, I found it strange that she would have used Shirley, given the problems (stealing from her) they were having at the time. Seems as though she would have tried it on Cindy instead. Though I believe Cindy would have known immediately it wasn’t Caylee, and/or it was recorded, given how well she knew Caylee. I suppose my question is, what do you make of these 2 calls, and what do you make of them being directed to Shirley??
Also, I saw something else that I hadn’t seen before. Well, actually, I’d seen it, but I examined it more closely this time. If there is an interview/deposition of a Nathan, forgive me for missing it somehow, and I’ll go back and check for it. What I saw today wasn’t an interview though, it was a connection to Fusian. The name is Nathan Lezniewicz. I’m curious what, IF ANY connection to the case he may have??? It’s certainly not a name I’m familiar with hearing in the past year. I’m wondering if he is connected to Casey via Fusian, or has anything to do with the case regarding Caylee, or if he is simply a connection to more forgery/theft charges via credit cards?? Any information or answers on any of this would be greatly appreciated, as I’m now going to pull my hair out upon finding new/more information for my brain to process.
I almost began my post with BOMBSHELL….ha, as my husband has been trying to convince me you’re NG, because you replied with Ty, friend, in a previous reply to a po