Tracy Ocasio Case: Sewer By Hataway Home To Be Searched Today
Ocoee, FL– Additional search plans for Tracy Ocasio, 27, last seen at the Florida Tap Room leaving with Jimmy Hataway on May 27, are focused on the sewer by Hataways home today.
Last week, the septic tank was drained in the home that Hataway shared with his father Vrigil, following the seizure of two computers.
Ocasios yellow Chevy Cobalt was found a few blocks from Hataways home the day after she was last seen but Police have not called him a suspect in her disappearance.
The Ocasio family recently launched a site, www.tracyocasio.com to help generate leads in her case.
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Fox has more info. Am I allowed to post the link?
Yes, but I did not see anything more than one it is on here.
B
I’ve been wondering what was going on with this. Is Hataway still locked up?
Yes
B
I think it is logical to assume he has a quick underground location to dispose of a body..
He may have used the car in 2 different cases to drive to a location other then his home to do the actual disposal. Then he drives the victims car back and parks it in a location that becomes a crime scene and the real crime scene is in a different location..
The inside of the car and especially the floor boards could give some clue into where that area may be depending on how differing the geology is in the area..The tires too.
There is probably many underground locations such as septics and sewers and bodies of water in Florida.. No doubt about that.
How much time could have elapsed between the point she gives him a ride and where her car is found and go back over the spot where the car is found looking for witness..
This is a hard situation and time is the enemy now.
I very much agree Edward, as I believe focusing solely on one individual is not in the best interests of finding Tracy, imo.
B
He may have taken her someplace where OTHERS were waiting..
Others do a disposal and all he does is drive the car back.
There are so many possibles.. But with No Witnesses to any of it ??
There must be a way to follow there path through witness.. Gas station video, street surveillance video, private company surveillance cameras.. Street people who are aware of most everything late at night. The sleep in places that most do not consider.
The culprit/s can’t be invisible.
How bad would you have to hate someone to put them in a sewer or septic tank? Disgusting.
I read online that Hataway is the only POI. Do you think they’re looking solely at him or do you think the LE is witholding info?
As always Blink, you leave me wanting more
TY Lovin’, I think they are solely focused on Hataway and I think it’s a mistake.
B
Looks like they searched for Jennifer Kesse again yesterday but came up empty handed http://www.wftv.com/news/19895267/detail.html
How many arrests has Hataway had for belligerent and assaulting behavior towards woman over the years while under the influence of ETOH. This information would give important information about his strength when he is imbibed and would dictate whether or not he would require another party’s help if he is the person responsible for the disappearance of the two young ladies. The time between the two crimes makes me think that there are other young ladies that have gone missing that have been overlooked that are linked to this case.
Has anyone looked to the area’s further away. Jennifer’s case had a lot of press and would have made the area uncomfortable. He might have gone to a more populated area. They do not need a body. They need a female disappeared in the nighttime hours whose vehicle was found parked away from home but not in a familiar place.
Did the trail on Paul Hutto just go away or is he still someone we should be interested in?
V E R Y
B
I believe now TWO women have disappeared after being in this man’s company where their vehicles were located close to his home, correct? Not such a smart criminal, thankfully. Like Casey, Scott Peterson, BTK Killer, and others who thought they were smarter than LE, I have to say his mistakes will be found and reveal the truth.
No longer can a woman trust a man is offering her a ride or otherwise because he’s a knight in shining armour. Too likely he may be a demon in knight’s clothing! Sorry for those men who are good and wouldn’t do such a thing, but women simply be sure you have your own way home and don’t accept rides from anyone. Cabs aren’t that expensive compared to funeral arrangements or the cost of an investigation! Not to mention the grief your loved ones will go through.
Interesting that Fox Orlando says that the sewer being drained is by JH’s former homes, with an s at the end.
It is also interesting that they keep pushing his interest in the dark arts and vampires. This is a PR campaign to sway public opinion against him and has nothing to do with him being involved with Tracy’s disappearance. Don’t get me wrong, I am not on his side. But his history and the known facts of his past crimes had absolutely nothing to do with demons, devils, vampires, witches, orcs, ents etc. I would be more easily led to believe he was playing pirate.
I agree, and as someone who has been up and down his site and cached all of it’s contents, I can tell you those comments were made prior to his computers being seized, Er Go… If it was based on myspace, that comment does not apply. I also noted it was not attributable to anyone as a quote. HMMM.
Im on Tracy’s side, whomever is responsible. But I have been doing this long enough to know IF there’s more than one “badguy”, or he’s the wrong badguy, they may never find her and that is unacceptable to me.
B
Oh and Greg Toole…. sorry for the lapse in time. I had to go back and find his name. Old age. No fun. Are both he and Paul still on your radar, B?
A B S O L U T E L Y. Firmly embedded until further notice as a matter of fact. Don’t Forget Jeremiah, he actually had the most to lose. Something that has bothered me tremendously from the beginning. Toole was just arrested for non-registering, why in the world would he feel so confident to WANT to speak to the press. People like that shy away at all costs, he did not. What had him feeling so comfortable?
B
When the media as well as the cops interviewed Tool, I could swear that I saw his arms wrapped in bandages, that had blood that had seeped through. Has anyone seeing this photo? I can no longer find it. All I know that Tracy was a fighter. She would have fought, no matter how small she is, and would had left some nasty marks on the offender. I am a firm believer that Hataway had help. This wasplanned from before. That is why all these creeps are so well re-hearsed. Tracy is out there, somewhere. Please good folks, keep praying that God may Will that we find Tracy. Her father is in an abyss of pain, from which he can’t get out. He needs her body found, to find a little bit of peace. Thank you. And thanks Blink, for keeping this tragic situation alive in your site. We the Ocasio’s are grieving for Tracy, and this is our only comfort, coming here to see what you have found.
I have never seen a photo of Toole anywhere except here, and I never heard that about scratches, etc from a family member, so I apologize but I cannot verify.
B
Hey Blink, One question we have wondered about is how did the press find Toole for him to comment in the first place? He also made it sound as if he and Hat were passing acquaintences. We know that is a load.
Also, the maps and phone numbers are showing things that cannot be true. I guess I am going to have to get a calculator and start adding again.
Great question Red, I heard a guy from the bar gave cops a list of aquaintances and the press talked to him and called Toole
B
Blink-
OT
have you heard anything about Brittanee Drexel?
No, unfortunately
B
Hey Blink,
It looks like they added more charges to Hataway’s list of offenses concerning the Rachael Clark incident. (Link provided below) The father, Joe Ocasio, was also interviewed on a local radio show (the BS on Real Radio 104.1) and he mentioned the idea/potential that others may have been involved and/or know more than they are letting on. Which, I know, is vague but it makes me somewhat hopeful that they are entertaining other possibilities. He was also supposed to be meeting with LE sometime this afternoon to discuss the contents of Hataway’s computer. Is it solely the Ocoee Police Department that is responsible for completing the investigation?
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/breakingnews/orl-bk-james-hataway-063009,0,403780.story
Oh yeah, I also wanted to thank you so much for keeping this out there! I am in no way connected with the family or the case. However, it’s basically in my backyard and I am becoming very concerned that it will be similar to the Kesse case in more ways than her disappearance, etc.
PS: I am also fairly new to the site and had done some minor research, to no avail, when I initially stumbled upon it. I was looking for the basic background type stuff as to who you are, where you were from, and how you got to doing what you do today. I minored in PoliSci and CJ and have begun to look up to you and your work. I now have a regional clue as to where you are, however, as there is a time zone difference with the posting. Hmmm…vury vury interesting…
Unfortunately I also think there is more than one person involved in this case. These creeps are like a mini-gang, with a “boss” and all, and seems to me these guys are quite afraid of their “boss” (who is calling the shots). How else could boss-man have all that power over his co-creeps and get away with what he has done for so long? imo there is way too much going on, (hiding a body, driving cars around, etc.) to do all by himself. He not only has help but they are all covering for one another.
Has anyone contacted a Psychic, I know some are non-believers….but she’s out there somewhere and how hard is it to believe that god could have made someone feel or see thing’s that other’s can’t. LE is getting nowhere fast on this case and it’s time to bring in anyone who can help.
I have seen LE use phychic’s in the past, why not now?
Much hope for finding her, as I have been checking back here alot, I don’t watch much news, it’s simply to depressing!
So I’m assuming the searches turned up nothing since there’s no news to that effect?
Blink was forensic evidence found in Tracy Ocasio’s abandoned car?
It was actually cancelled with no explanation, but presumably due to the extensive amount of rain
B
bottomline, yes…they run in packs like dogs sometimes. We can never forget Natalee Holloway. That Joran Van De Sloot and his friends Deepak and Satish…along with who knows else…definately trolled for the women in this manner (alerting one another to when and where to meet) and targeted tourists.
Remember Joran’s own admission when he stated, “we done this (however) many times before and nothing like this ever happened?” Well, my questions is what did you do many times before and why did nothing happening matter?
B, have you heard anymore from Ocoee*44*Mane or any of the others that you had to delete? It seems as though they dropped us a huge hint and then just disappeared. Are you able to keep an open dialogue with them? It just seemed as though this person was wanting to, in his own way, let the cat out of the bag. I dunno, I could be way off. It could have just been a threat but one with merit and the gusto to back it. Thoughts?
I am hesitant to say whom I keep in contact with as I never reveal a source, but I do believe that Ocoee *44* Mane was legit, and his message was transcribed accurrately.
B
Has LE even considered the possibility of human trafficking for sex slaves in the disappearance of these women, Kesse and Ocasio? I hate to even go there, however it does exist in our country as well as world wide.
Oh, I understand, B, wasn’t really looking for sources, just wondering if that element was still in contact, if that makes sense. Thank you, ma’am…… I am so wanting to look in one direction right now but feel like you can’t with this case. Fell like nudging me in any particular direction?
Sure, 4 of them, Huttos, Hataway and Toole. Not one of them can be excluded yet, for me.
B
Blink, what about her car? Was forensic evidence of a crime found in her car? LE took DNA from Hataway a few weeks ago. He admitted to getting a ride home from her, so his DNA in her car wouldn’t necessarily be evidence of a crime. However, if there was evidence of a struggle AND his DNA, they could have something to work on.
FairWitness said in #25: He admitted to getting a ride home from her, so his DNA in her car wouldn’t necessarily be evidence of a crime.
But wouldn’t it depend on where the DMNA was found? If he got a ride home, he should have been on the passenger side. If his prints or DNA was found on the steering wheel or the drivers side door, that would prove that he drove the car, yes?
Was it Toole or Hataway that got into it with the Huttos? Or am I way off and one of them just was a running buddy of them? I keep trying to find that info and can’t. However, I just read an atrologists charts (for fun while looking for info) and there were a couple of things that popped out that I had been wondering about myself.
If I knew the link to the Huttos, I could be dead on.
You can and please do if you think it’s farfetched and I’m in the worng direction: I think she dropped Hataway off and everything happened just as he has said. I think Toole (who lives very close by) was waiting for her at her car. Being that she knew him, she was comfortable. This is where my theory gets blown if I’m off on who was connected to the Huttos. I think he directed her to them, in order to pay off some sort of debt without her knowing who or where they were going.
I dunno. I just feel these three are more involved than Hataway. I’ll eat my crow pie if I’m wrong but my gut just keeps leading me in that direction.
You make a good point, LC. I was really interested in blood evidence, clumps of hair, broken fingernails, smeared prints on the windows, broken, cracked or dislocated car interior parts or components which would reflect a fight or struggle inside the car.
All I’ve read is that Tracy’s car was parked on a street near the suspect’s home. I don’t recall reading or hearing anything about what the condition of or evidence in the car was, do you?
Ok, I found what I needed and I stand by my above post. B, how much of your gut leads you in the right direction or turns you in another direction?
Ashley, with deep respect, I say, if you want to see where I am leaning, it is all on here and it’s really not my style to be that specific in an open case, I hope you understand. Let me put it this way, I broke the story on the Hutto’s and Toole. Why?
B
Blink, OT but have you seen this?
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,529688,00.html?test=latestnews
#29….. Totally understand and respect that. I’m just an impatient person……
I’ll keep searching.
You broke the story because your gut and valid info told you so….. (I’m hoping your gut had something to do with it).
My instincts have yet to fail me, your correct. I feel thats because I listen to them intently, and then try to prove them wrong at the same time if that makes sense. That’s about as much as I want to put out there right now. I could laundry list about 10 things in the investigation of this case that make no sense to me that all come back ’round..kwim?
B
The pic I saw of Tool with bandages on his arms was in another site. I thought it was Fox but I can’t find the link. I also agree with the Red Ranger, at the way Tool spoke about Hataway, as if he was a casual aquaintance of Hataway, as if to distance himself. I still believe this was planned. The fact that Hataway was into the black arts and cannivalism, goes beyond portraying him in a bad image. It makes us, Tracy’s family members think even worst thoughts about what might have happened to her. I believe every thing we can find about this evil doers can be significant in finding Tracy. I am aware that one of the Hutto’s house is right next to a lake. Was that lake dredged?
Mrs. Cali-
I am going to tell you I have researched this guy thoroughly. He may be a bully, and alot of not so nice stuff, but I dont buy the cannibalism and dark arts crap. Frankly, that was put out there AS his computers were being video’d openly in the back of the detectives car, so they had not even been searched yet. That lake has NOT even been searched. Paul Hutto was actually leading the cops to different “areas” of interest. Yes, I am serious, that “Hutto” was leading LE. Makes me miss Kojak.
B
RE: comment #19 — There is a psychic by the name of Gale St. John in Florida searching for Tracy at this time.
MJH- no offense, but Gale St.Fraud is exactly that and under no circumstances will I further her fleecing of people. I know this from personal experience, not my opinion. She is an opportunistic scamartist as is Brian Ladd, her boy in the basement partner.
B
Ashley, if Toole was waiting for Tracy when she came out of Hataway’s house, how did he know that she was there? If Toole is involved, Hataway is too. And the Hutto brothers, they may possibly have been involved … but how would they know Tracy if not through Toole & Hataway? It’s possible all four men are duplicitous.
Do we have any information yet on any other phone calls she may have made the evening of the 26th into the morning of the 27th? Also, I am sure they followed the pings of her phone from the Taproom back to Ocoee. Any information yet on any stops or prolonged periods in any particular area?
I am especially curious about the phone calls, especially later in the evening. The suspect has said that he and Tracy were going to smoke pot at his dad’s house but that she shied away due to lack of quantity. If Hataway is telling the truth then she would have either used her cell or dropped by a friends home. Unless it was close to Hataway’s house it would have changed the tower her cell pinged off of. I know they have stated that her phone was used at 4:30 am, pinging off the tower just south of his house. This is the same tower it pinged off of in the morning when Mrs. O called her. What about before and between?
Toole apparently lives on Lakewood. His house would be about a five minute drive from Hataways. On the south end of Lakewood is a 7-11. North of Toole’s house is a small convenience store on the right. I will assume all of their surveilance tapes have been checked. Also, there is a convenience store by Hataways house that he was a frequent customer at. I will also assume their tapes were checked.
Fairwitness said in # 28: All I’ve read is that Tracy’s car was parked on a street near the suspect’s home. I don’t recall reading or hearing anything about what the condition of or evidence in the car was, do you?
I know it was mentioned that both front seats were pushed forward. It’s a two door car and someone posted at some point that maybe the seats were pushed forward because whoever was the last to drive checked the back seat area to make sure that there wasn’t anything left behind. I thought that was a decent theory. But, unless the person who was driving remembered to wipe everything down, there should be prints on the wheel and the door handle.
This is pretty elementary, I am sure the police have checked this already.
Ashley Marie - I have to say that I am on the same page as you - but not so sure Hataway was all that much of a bystander. I used to think Human Trafficking - but not anymore.
Hi Blink, You don’t have to post this, but I sent you something earlier regarding this case, which you passed along. I don’t know if you remember the post or the name “Nolan” that came up. But, on a whim, I searched the sex offender lists in Ocoee and Apopka, and this is what I found:
Nolan, John Arthur
Address: 5050 Mt Plymouth Road (Apopka)
Zip code: 32712
Crime: Unlawful Sexual Activity With Certain Minors 16/17 Yr Old; F.s. 794.05(1)
Sex: Male
Date of birth: 1974-11-25
Eye color: Blue
Hair color: Blond
Height: 5′11
Weight: 174 lbs.
I may be way off, and I don’t want to start naming innocent people. But, I have to tell you, this sent chills up my spine. I also looked up the address on a map. It’s at the “end” of the road, with a lot of trees around the back area. I’m not sure if this guy is incarcerated or not at this time, though. Anyway, just a thought, and I wanted to pass it along to you, just in case. You never know. Thanks Blink, MJH
blink, i dont want to bring back up the guilt by assoc. thing,so can you delete this and am sure you already noticed anyway,just want make sure,there is the guy in one your photo collection stories wearing kahki pants,and black shoes at his feet ,the guy in the jennk video looks like some kinda kakhi pants and some kinda black shoes,I have tried to look closely and match TO RULE OUT ,but cant.he’s not hathaway ,as per tattooes.
Hi Blink, Regarding comment #33 — No offense taken. I trust your judgement and respect your work. I actually have never heard of either person before….just stumbled upon it while searching for information on Tracy. I really had no idea what to make of it. So, I thank you for your reply. That’s the problem with the “psychic” thing….too many frauds.
Blink-
Hutto is leading the cops around??? with his ‘record’ of non-records, not to mention possible motive?? Something is starting to seem a little funny here, and I don’t mean LOL funny.
Also, if you have time and are able to expand on this from post 12? (if not of course understand) “Don’t Forget Jeremiah, he actually had the most to lose.”
One of P. Hutto’s records you put up in the other post was listed as transferred to div 62, but I couldn’t find any FDLE divisions listed as such.
It’s not good news with all those dropped charges and pleadings….depending on what kind of ‘big fish’ LE might be getting ready to go frying….those dropped records go way far back… know what I mean?? I was wondering if all those charges on Hutto were out of the same PD? Ocoee? I don’t have access. They either have the right guy, or the perfect set up is being played out. I’m thinking Hutto’s and Toole likely knew about Rachel Clarke also.
Riddle, as usual, very sharp.. Check both jackets- these 2 are teflon with some serious “pardons”.
I dont think Clarke is a conduit though.
B
P.S. TIA ms. Kojak (hat tip)…..I LOL’d at Archie Bunker….but this takes the cake. And let’s not forget Columbo….there DanO.
Im trumpin’ ya.. Barnaby Jones…
B
I have always thought that someone was targeting these young women and possibly selling them in order to pay a drug or gambling debt. If that turns out to be true, then LE needs to be looking at a much wider circle than that we see to date.
It is too easy to kidnap someone in Florida and put them on a boat out of the country. Two hours of drive time would put a kidnapper at a dock on either the Atlantic side or the Gulf of Mexico side of the state.
Keep working Blink, we need some answers on these cases.
How can the LE be that dumb, to allowe Hutto to show them around?!? How can they even believe what he has to say? I am truly disgusted with the Ocoee police, it is sick.
Hey Riddle, Don’t forget 6 files in Seminole county. Try to read number five without having your head spin. It may make you Mannix depressive. I checked Polk county too. Nothing. Going for Osceola next.
This does not include the spouse’s files. The whole clan should be in a building with iron sides.
I got a creepy feeling about Toole,especially after seeing him on the tavern video. It appeared that he was following Tracy and Hataway out of the bar. It also does not sit right with me that Toole refers to Tracy as a friend and Hataway as an acquaintance. Trying to keep suspicion away from himself? Just my own opinion
Jackie, where do you see Toole leaving after Jimmy and Tracy?
B
First, I would like to thank Blink for allowing these discussions to exist. Any attempt at this type of forum on other sites has been met with such hateful resistance that I gave up.
I have a question that I was hoping someone could answer. I only saw this once and haven’t been able to find it again.
It was reported that right before Tracy and Jimmy left the Tap Room that night, she went back to speak to a man for only a moment. Does anyone know who this man might have been?
Cant be ruled out Sunday, what do Hutto’s cell phone pings say?
B
I’d also like to throw this out there. It’s pure speculation and I have nothing to base this on. But, is it possible that Jimmy was asked by “someone” to have Tracy drive him home and it was a trap? We know that she had a prior altercation with the Hutto’s. Could it be that they waited until Tracy and Jimmy got home and the Hutto’s “took it from there?”
Goodness B, I don’t know. Good question. If that info is out there I may have missed it.
I’d also like to know if you see our posts before they are seen? I have a scenario in my head regarding another situation involving the POI that I’d like to run by someone but it may inflame others. I don’t want to put anything out there that may start a riot.
I do.
B
Calilady, you show your absolute lack of education on investigative work by your snide comment regarding the Ocoee police dept as well as a distain for LE in their taking time to deal with Hutto.
Often times, a guilty party will get cocky and let important information for LE slip out. Remember what C.S. Lewis said in one of the Chronicle of Narnia…”if you add a little truth to a lie, it makes it all the stronger/more believable.”
LE is sharp regardless of your beliefs and they have alot of information we know nothing about. If Hutto mentions something in passing that catches their attention, they will follow up. I believe that is the point of keeping him close. The more they do this, the more comfortable he will be and the looser his tongue will become. Trust me.
Here’s a little story: when I was dispatching a theif caught in the act was brought into the station. This guy declared he was born in Australia (had not accent), was adopted (not sure of his last name), and didn’t know his Social Security number. IN other words, the cops got ziltch from him. They sat him next to dispatch in cuffs in the holding area (there was bullet proof glass between the rooms so we could watch these folks) and the arresting officer called me into the back room. He asked I try and get “anything I could” out of him.
Well, after the officer went back out I started a conversation with the guy asking if he was really from Australia. He said ‘yes’. I told him that was soooo cool! He started spouting off about surfing in Australia and I then asked if he was adopted, how old was he when he was adopted or did he start surfing young? He then realized his mistake and said he normally surfs on the east coast of Florida when on vacation (the PD I worked @ was in S.W. Virginia). I then asked what his last name was and he gave me two…the one supposedly his “birth name” and his adoptive parents’ name. So, then I had a first and 2 last names to work with which wasn’t enough.
We continued to talk about the beach and small stuff for about 20 mins. At that point, I asked him if he was a Gemini like me. Being he had 2 last names, he probably had 2 personalities like me. He loosened up and laughed at that and declared he was a Leo! I only needed a birth date to run the two names through NCIC and find a match and was getting close….so I told him my husband was a Leo and born on Aug 25th!!! he then gave me his birth date. The other dispatcher on duty quickly ran both names against that date using several years since he also wasn’t sure how old he was (no kidding).
Well, we finally got a “HIT” and realized he was wanted to Grand Theft and B&E in Norfolk. So….she then declared his last name and age to him and told him, “I see you’ve been a bad boy!” He was shocked and wouldn’t say another word except he wanted his lawyer. :>)
So…all that to say LE is NOT stupid. They know how to pull information from someone and I had learned to do so when in college taking police science courses in criminal investigation. Please know you are quite wrong about the reasons LE is taking time with this individual named Hatto. If I (an untrained “wanna be” investigator) can do this..imagine what a well trained seasons investigator can get from someone without their knowing it!!!
Brenda, I think you may have been a bit harsh on this one. For starters, questioning LE is smart, and good cops expect that.
I dont think anyone called anyone unintelligent, but I disagree vehemently with the way this case is being handled, on many levels. It pains me to say that, but I work for the victim, so I am compelled to.
B
Comments 46 and 47 have really caught my attention.
Jackie, I have always wondered what happened on the video AFTER Tracy and Hataway left the bar, but all of the video’s I have seen cut off right after they leave. I have wondered all along if somebody actually followed them. If Toole knew she was leaving with Hataway, he obviously knew where to find her. If there is a link to a longer video which shows people leaving after Tracy and Hataway, I would love to see it. Could you post a link to this video? Thanks
Also, Sunday, I think if Tracy went back to speak with a man briefly before she left, this could be a huge clue. I have not seen that information before. Could she have possibly made plans to meet up with someone else after she dropped Hataway off?
Sorry, my above comment is referring to comments by Jackie and Sunday. I’m not sure what numbers they are.
Blink I need your help. I am trying to do some research to see if perhaps Tracy, Rachel and maybe Jennifer were targeted for some racial reason. There seems to be some linkage between Jimmy Hataway and neo-nazi or White supremcy. I noticed Tracy’s dad was hispanic. I am curious to find out if either Rachel or Jennifer’s parents are “mixed”. The other “target” theory i had was perhaps these girls were picked to get back at their families for some reason. I want to find out what the dads do for a living. For instance if all the dads are in construction then maybe this is revenge for not getting paid or feeling Jimmy and his group of misfits were screwed in some way. I know this is out there but with no more facts coming from LE I need to do something. Thank you for any information you can provide on my topic.
Is this case such an enigma because it’s a conspiracy between 3 or 4 of these cretins?
Psychic tip yesterday is prompting a new search today.
http://www.clickorlando.com/mostpopular/19918493/detail.html
Maybe someone did ask Jimmie to have her drive him home, otherwise I wonder why Jimmie wouldn’t wouldn’t ride home with Toole if they lived near one another. Unless Tracy said earlier in the night that she wanted to smoke pot at his place.
Hi Blink, hope you are well.
Just wondering if they are still searching. I have no idea what the weather is like there at the moment, but was wondering if they are planning on still doing this search and when. Are the other POI’s, such as Hutto and Toole being looked at by LE at all? It sounds like they are dropping the ball. Not pointing the finger, just wondering your thoughts. Certainly understand if you can’t say.
D
For all of the posters discussing that Jennifer supposedly wanted to “smoke pot” and left with him for that reason…do NOT forget that anyone who rapes, kills, or does otherwise to another individual WILL do whatever it takes to lower the credibility or virtue of that person when they speak of them. Remember AGAIN Natalee Holloway!!! Retard Joran even called her a b1tch and slut…and tried to say Nat called her mom a “Nazi”. All in an attempt IMO to cut her virtue down and make it appear he was simply in the presence of a woman “lower in standard” than she should be. No doubt this is partly what’s going on. Whether or not Jen partied is kinda irrelevant other than the fact it may have been used to LURE her to her death.
Denise,
Overcast today. No rain so far. As soon as I hear news about the search I will let you know.
Psychic tip came from this site! http://www.wesh.com/news/19915565/detail.html. I remember reading it in one of the previous sections. Funny that turns out to be the lead they follow up on and not any of the other individuals (Huttos and Toole) or locations (nearby water bodies such as Lake Starke and Apopka) that have been discussed here… What is the Ocoee PD’s deal? I understand that the father went out grasping at straws, but I definitely feel like they (OcPD) are letting this one slip away when the answer has got to be closeby.
To Wendy and comment #51 Tracy’s father works with the Dollar Store- though I am not sure in what capacity. If you look under the website that is poster at the beginning of the article (www.tracyocasio.com) he has a very nice letter to his coworkers there thanking them for their support.
Red-
I’m afraid you just knocked my rose colored glasses clear across the room. Additionally, your original comments re: tight lipped haunts me. I read the family drew in additional resources, good. Industrial strength Teflon = Boldness imo.
B- Clarke = not conduit per se, just meant having prior knowledge of it; it now hits the light of day (conveniently? IDK)and helps the shoe fit.
I hope someone tips in for this family, LE is going to do whatever they are going to do, but recovering Tracy is some closure for them. (I hate that word, but u know what I mean)
Your comments re: that lake make me wonder what TES thinks on that? Hmm? (Just thinking outloud there B-)
My dear wittyriddle-
Yep.
And.. You have 2 pond dredgers pointing the finger at each other. Only one is being investigated and no ponds are being searched. Maybe I am the wrong one in the “biz’ , but I am willing to draw somebody a google map and make them hit the amber man (RedRanger saying) if thats not too much to ask.
sorry, I am “there” on this one.
B
Brenda,
Point taken in #56, but this is Tracy, not Jen being discussed.
I believe Calilady is Tracy’s family….did you notice that in the post?
Blink… I just read the comment (and link) regarding a psychic tip leading them to a new search for Tracy. It says they are searching off of Crown Point Parkway. That is right in the same area as Nola Drive. Wow! Do you know if this was a second tip for that same area? Thanks, mjh
MJH- Based on your post, as we discussed the area you recommended has been searched. I dont know about this one, but yours was checked out based on the posting here.
B
#57: Thank you Mariann!
Check out the location of the high school though. It’s right next to Lake Apopka.
Hey Blink,
I just read the second link to that story (on Wesh), and it answered my question. Sorry. I have a lot of mixed feelings right now. I really want them to find Tracy, as the sooner they find her, the more likely they can get evidence, and figure out who did it, and put them away for life. I also know how hard it must be for her family, and I want Tracy returned to them. So, in a way, I’m hoping it leads to something. But, obviously, at the same time, I would rather her be found alive, as I’m sure we all would. I will be praying for Tracy and her family. Thanks Blink
There’s several possibilities below in what I consider order of probability:
1) Hataway is the sociopath he seems to be and killed her, like he tried to kill Rachel Clarke. This is almost certainly what happened. It would be dangerous for him to involve others. I don’t see any need to induldge the Hutto and Toole explanations, as this one is the simplest, most likely, and connects most directly with the evidence. Sure he and she both had some enemies, but he alone has shown this to be an M.O., and petty criminals (like Toole and the Huttos) do not necessarily cross this line that Hataway has tried to cross before.
2) Toole and Hataway killed her together. I’m reluctant to believe this. Toole could be yappy to press b/c he didn’t do it, is worried about his upcoming issues b/c of failure to register, and was a known friend of Hataway.
3) Hataway told Toole or Hutto or both in passing that he was leaving bar with Ocasio, and they intercepted her as she left. This, however, does not explain why her car was parked near his house but so far down the road. Her parking might indicate Hataway and she were “making out” near Hataway’s house or smoking weed, but also might show that Hataway or someone else moved the car after dispatching her.
4) Someone totally unrelated killed her after she dropped off Hataway. Possible, but bad things seem to happen whenever Hataway is alone with a woman. This would be very inconvenient for Hataway, but it couldn’t happen to a nicer guy.
I have to say the stuff about psychics, sex slavery, a mafia style organization with a “boss,” and all the rest, while totally lurid, doesn’t seem to have any basis in fact. These are low-level low-lifes. Hataway is a careless, sociopathic guy with a tendency to violence against women. We don’t need to invent fantasies from movies that have little to do with real life. Incidentally, sexual slavery in the US is almost totally the province of Hispanics and Asians with their captive illegal alien populations and massage parlors respectively. Middle class American girls like Tracy will tell someone what they’re facing and get help, escape, etc. in those circumstances.
Ok, I’ll take your word on that one, just I’ve seen and experienced first hand many snide remarks towards my own small dept by the unknowing. Kinda like PTSD for me I supposed.
If it means anything Brenda, I have never said that before in all the cases I have worked on and covered. I DO NOT say it lightly.
B
Brenda, if this was your relative, you would be very upset at the way this investigation has been handled. I can see that you take it personally, since you work for a police department. I am an educated lady, but not in law-enforcement. You ought to move to Ocoee, since you think you can make Hataway talk, and see how far you can get. I am angry with these creeps that think they can hurt people and get away with it. I am glad that Blink offers this site, for us that are hurting to be able to vent. If this was your relative, I am sure you would not see the case the same way as you are seeing it right now.
Ms. Cali, I can tell you from first hand experience what you are saying is true. In your and your familys’ situation all you want is Tracy to be found. I get that more than I could ever articulate. It is my driving force to be honest.
Brenda was not out of line per se in a general way, but in Tracys’ case, I fear, possibly, off.
However, that said, the priority is to find Tracy, and the protocal for same is not being followed and I want to know why
B
it could be seen as revenge ,tracy called the cops(copcaller ,somescum would say),resulting in an arrest that was unrelated to the current situation.
thats cardinal rule #1 for chics who hang with rough dudes,did she not know that? and then poor girl she went back and tried to hang in the same crowd after calling the cops on em’.
Bullseye. She spit on one of these wanna be gangstas, in the presence of others.
B
Red-LoL !!
I think I need to ‘get a life’,….I was re-redin (that was on purpose)….while waiting on the B to update…and it just hit me….like 5 hrs later…’Mannix’ and ‘ironsides’….I’ll learn to take mine seriously with a twist on the side..k?…TYVM. That was good. ur-2-much.
mjh - I remember reading that someone where on line. I don’t remember where or when but I definitely read it. It’s stuck with me for quite awhile. I’ll go back again and see if I can dig it up. I’m just wondering, as you have, if he and Tracy were going to hook up later. It’s quite possible that she was taking the POI home to score a little dope and then meet up with this other person later. Who knows? It’s all speculative at this point.
Sorry about the first line of my post. My fingers were going faster than my brain. I meant I remember reading it somewhere online.
Hey…if I may.add.. to post 64-
I bet you’d agree, …she had NO idea this situation was so far out of the norm’, or WHO (really) she was messing with (and calling the cops on). This is NOT ‘ordinary’IMO. And the records are screaming out loud here.
Every girl with a little grit will stand up when she thinks something is not quite right. She walked into a ’snake nest’….and by every account I’ve read, she didn’t realize not eveyone in the world was playing with the same deck. JMHO.
Okay-
So I just read p59……what can we do? There is an answer here, and there is no way all those “pretty pink” tattle tale records (as long as my arm) mean nothing.
I can only think to encourage ‘elevating’, but how high? it looks pretty high already. Don’t you have a ‘pal’ who owes you one on this story as I recall? Some attention glaring perspective perhaps shining light to the details everyone seems to be missing? IDK. This is frustrating and a bad situation. Not trying to put it on you…..
Riddle, apparently not. As I explained to Blink, I’ve also been subjected to trash talk at a small department and the ptsd of sorts reared its ugly head. Just took something personally that I had no reason to take that way. That said, I do stand by the fact they are trying to get info from someone serendipously (did I spell that right?)
Also wanted to add that the only reason our officer asked myself and the other dispatcher try to pull info from the “Aussie” guy (who wasn’t) was because we only had 3 officers on duty and they’d spent well over 30 mins with him…..couldn’t afford to take any more time with him.
There’s little I respect more than someone that is accountable and respectful and your clearly both, it’s all good. I want to be clear I am a staunch supporter of LE. Keep in mind, some of what I uncover never sees this site, but goes directly to LE. If it does and it is case sensitive, you can bet they get it first if appropriate. I dont scoop at the expense of an investigation, I am hopeful to progress it, not hurt it.
B
I do hold Blink in high-esteem as a well thought out woman. She’ll keep any of us straight when we need it :>)
B -
I’d appreciate it if what I’m going to say isn’t posted. I don’t want to offend anyone or get the topic off track because this is pure speculation and nothing more than a feeling.
This is regarding the Rachel Clarke situation.
I have no doubt that something happened when Rachel drove Hataway home. But, is it possible that her accounts of that night could have been askew?
Rachel drives Hataway home and they start to fool around in her car. Being older and more experienced than Rachel, Hataway may have gotten a little more aggressive than what she was used to. Not paying attention to her signals that she was getting uncomfortable, Hataway, along with his fueled testosterone, continued full steam ahead thinking that her struggles were all part of the “play.” At some point she was able to get out of the car and run. He ran after her to find out what happened and to defuse the situation. He was able to catch up to her and at that point, they both fell to the ground. This would be about the time the witnesses came out to see what the ruckas was all about. This was just in time to see both of them on the ground. Hataway panicked and ran.
I remember reading way back in the beginning of all this that some of Hataway’s prior girlfriends said that he liked his encounters a little on the rough side. To me, this could have be the scenario of that night and because Rachel was scared to death, in her mind, he was trying to kill her.
You can see how this would cause others to think that I’m defending his actions if he in fact did try to kill her. But the fact that she or her parents did not pursue this “attempted homicide” when it first occurred causes some doubt in my mind as to the actual events. I know that if it had been my daughter or me, I would have been relentless with LE to pursue the matter. Every form of media available would have known about it. I would also want this person off the streets so as not to harm anyone else. It just all seems a little off to me.
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/breakingnews/orl-bk-ocoee-spanking-cop-061209,0,3363137.story
could there be some “friends” on the force? This story states more than one Ocoee officer at the party. Perhaps this is not the only party.
Good find, this was actually brought to my attention by someone at that party, I did not realize it was covered.
B
There’s something that keeps bugging me in this case. I know that Hataway is the main (or only) suspect, as he was the last one seen with Tracy. But, would a guy leave a bar full of people with a girl, when everyone in the bar knows they are leaving together. Then, get her to his house, do something to her (possibly murder), put her somewhere, and then leave her car right near his own street? You’d think he would move the car as far away as possible, and somewhere where it wouldn’t be spotted for a while. It almost seems to me that the car was put there on purpose. The thing is, her phone is still pinging in that area at 8:30 a.m. How big of an area does that one tower cover?
http://www.topix.com/forum/city/orlando-fl/TM5S2VECUJTR1UHGS
Here is some more Ocoee corruption info, from 2007.
I dont know where you guys are coming out of the woodwork from but I must tell you, you guys are posting things I have been hearing about for three weeks, all verified. Houston, we have a situation.
B
mjh- I think I read somewhere that cell phone towers can cover from 1 mile to about 5 miles in radius, depending on the amount of people the tower is servicing. I think in the Casey Anthony case, they mentioned that a tower normally covers 3-5 miles in readius.
#77, mjh, aren’t you giving a lot of benefit to the doubt for such an unproductive loser like Jimmy Hataway? All of your questions are logical, rational and intelligent. Jimmy is none of those.
Here’s another most unbelieveable article, just after Reffert “joined” the team. Get a jaw holder first, you’ll need it.
http://www.tmcnet.com/usubmit/2006/07/02/1702668.htm
Click out of the 2 survey thingies, article below.
Heartache follows claim of harassment: A cop’s career derails. Another officer dies. Troubles dog Ocoee’s police department
Good grief, Blink. I feel so terribly sorry for former Ocoee Detective Michelle Johnstone. She was the victim of this troglodyte’s horrid behavior, yet she is punished. And her husband killing himself, a fellow police officer, over this deplorable situation. What a tragedy.
Ocoee Police Department has some serious problems if this is the culture they expect their employees and citizens to function in.
I don’t understand their associations/close relationships with the Hutto brothers, either. These two guys are druggies and dealers. Do they even have real jobs? Why make nice with criminals? I thought the police were supposed to enforce the law, not facilitate the breaking of it.
Does the State of Florida have an investigative bureau? Perhaps the state should investigate the Tracy Ocasio disappearance. There may never be any justice for Tracy or resolution of this case if this is how the Ocoee PD operates.
Blink, Florida’s Attorney General is former US Congressman, Bill McCollum. Does his office have the authority to investigate this?
Potentially, yes
B
Posts #78 & 80: Blink posted a link to a website Tracy Ocasio’s family put up. There’s a post dated today from her father, Joe Ocasio, which talks about the cell phone, among other things. I’ve copied & pasted it below. I encourage all to visit the website.
http://www.tracyocasio.com/updates.php
“Family Updates
07/03/2009
From: Joe Ocasio, Tracy’s father
Day 38 since Tracy was taken from us.
Thank you to everyone for the kind words and prayers. As we continue to look for Tracy many tips are still coming in about Jim Hataway’s character, however not a single tip yet about anyone ever seeing her car the night she dissapeared. There is a gap between 2:00 AM and 7:00 AM when her car was spotted by the home owner of the property where her car was abandoned.
In addition we have no clues about the where abouts of her phone and keys. However we have phone records placing the phone in the area until 8:30 AM. The phone tower records placed the phone .21 miles from the tower which ironically is also .20 miles from Jim Hataways house. Right after my wife called her phone at 8:30 AM whomever had the phone either turned it off and or disposed of it. We know it’s not there as we’ve searched the area many, many times. This obviously indicates someone knows about her phone.
We know there are people out there that have information that can help us find our daughter. We also know that many are afraid to come forward or do not care to help. I beg those of you that know something no matter how small to please come forward and help us bring our daughter home. We need to know what has happened to our daughter…good or bad….PLEASE HELP US!
You can call the Ocoee Police department at 407-905-3160 or 407-905-3161 OR CrimeLine at 1-800-423-TIPS. The CrimeLine is 100% anonymous and your conversation will not be recorded.”
Hi FairWitness,
I am the type of person who does give others the benefit of the doubt until I see some real hard evidence that shows me otherwise. I do not judge people by what they look like, the clothes they wear, or the job position they hold. I learned a long time ago that you cannot go by everything you see or read in the media. Most times, they have some of the facts wrong, and they add things just to make the story more sensational. The way I see it, right now, the only thing they have linking Jimmy Hataway to Tracy is the fact that he was the last person seen with her. I understand that the last person seen with a victim is usually the person they look at. Maybe they do have more evidence that I just don’t know about yet. But, so far, I haven’t seen any. So, I have to look at it and say “OK, what IF he didn’t do it? What are the other possibilities?” Someone could have followed them — people in the bar knew they were leaving together. Tracy could have met up with somebody else after she left Hataway’s house. Or, maybe he told her “I know where we can get some good pot” and talked her into driving him to another location, and something happened there. It just seems to me that it IS possible that somebody planted the car there. I just don’t know. But, I think that ALL possibilities should be looked into. If he did do it, then he should be punished for it. Hopefully, they will find Tracy soon, and they will have more evidence. And, if what you say is true — Jimmy is illogical, irrational, and unintelligent — then how did he pull this off without leaving any evidence behind?
Blink, I am now even more concerned about the so called investigation for Tracy. I checked-out the link you gave in your post#82. I feel like you, as long as the LE is doing their job, I will support them. In view of the link and the slow snail pace this particular investigation has taken, makes me feel so disgusted with this particular police department. I do know that they are trying somewhat. Joe Ocasio has no choice but to have to wait on them. Has the LE searched the school grounds for the so called “strange mounds?” I don’t blame Joe for not leaving any stones unturned. I know the “psychic” thing is farfetched, but at this point he has no daughter, thus he has no choice but to search there if he must. I hop someone helps him dig the area in question.
Cali. Gale St. John is a proved fraud. She will milk the Ocasios if she can, or will exploit Tracy in the hopes of resurrecting her failed pilot shows. She is a little thing I like to call parfung. (ParasiticFungus)
B
mjh - I found the link about Tracy talking to a man before leaving the bar with Hataway in post #47
http://www.clickorlando.com/news/19628565/detail.html
I’m just wondering if she was going to get drugs from Hataway and was then going to meet up with this other person. It was reported that she didn’t take the drugs from Hataway because he didn’t have very much. I think Hataway said this himself. OF course, I don’t know where that information is either. I’ll have to go back through everything again.
Tracy did spit on the man that knocked her down to the ground. She too felt humiliated by his action. she punched the guy as well, when she got back on her feet. Tracy was trying to be the peace keeper in an altercation with the fella that knocked her down as well as a pair of woman, all over a pool table. yes tracy should had stayed out of it. Does that mean that she went back to hanging out with this same people that she had the altercation with, no, because they went to jail. Tracy was a firecracker, a no nonesense girl. She should had stayed out of the altercation inside the bar, because it had nothing to do with her, but she did. She doesn’t deserve to die because of it.
Absolutley Cali, but make no mistake, she knew both Huttos, she dated one. This was NOT a stranger encounter.
B
I only googled “ocoee police department corruption” as one logical explanation for Toole’s comfort level and Hutto’s ‘teflon’ status. I just figured in a city of 31,000 or so (a stat also googled) there is more than enough room for the police and potential perps to overlap, the guys who seem to get away with stuff may have the upper hand on some members of LE who may have much to lose. something in comments 44 and 45 made me think “strange bedfellows..” I am a loyal blinkoncrime reader learning the research ropes. No where near FL.
that is how posts 78 and 80 came to light
Hey Blink…
RE: #88, Calilady — It is not Gale St. John that she is referring to. Joe Ocasio went to the area we discussed previously (at the end of Nola Dr.– near the school grounds). He found some strange dirt mounds there, which he took pictures of, and has asked the police to search that area. They were supposed to be doing it “over the next few days”, which was stated yesterday. I don’t know if they have started the search there yet or not. But, this one has nothing to do with Gale St. John. She is doing something else, somewhere else. Sorry — just wanted to clarify. Hopefully, they will search this area soon.
Danse Macabre
The tallest tree you must top, to see the sea of all you want, for near not far I wait in awe, for you to find me, once and for all.
we are waiting.
remember, what is it that you will break even when you name it?
**You** know exactly what is going on, and exactly what to do. There is no excuse; we had a code asshole.
Yo
Mr/Ms. Yo, welcome to Blink, Please explain your comment as I am clueless.
B
I wonder if any of the neighbors saw any strange comings and goings where these guys lived? Maybe straight-laced, all American boy types?
If and of Ocoee LE ever visited them during their off hours, they would stick out like sore thumbs. Kinda makes me think back to the Stacy Peterson/Drew Peterson tragedy. Drew sure had a lot of back alley type friends to be such an upstanding police officer. Wonder if any cops for Ocoee had the same kind of friends? One hand washes the other so to speak.
3rd line from the top. Brain cramp. If Ocoee LE ever visited them…
Sunday — Thank you for the link. I wonder if they know who the guy is that she went to talk to for a few minutes? It seems like her friend must know. I wonder if they checked into him at all. I have the same question as you do…could she have been meeting up with him later? I did read about Hataway saying she wanted pot, but she didn’t like the drugs he had, so she left. I just really wish they would find Tracy. She is on my mind every single day. My daughter is sleeping at a friend’s house tonight. I cannot sleep when she is not home. I can’t even begin to imagine what the Ocasio’s are going through.
Blink -
Don’t know if this is helpful/meaningful at all re: Post #94 above - poem/riddle/clue(?) with the introductory line “…The tallest tree you must top…” Per a bit of research: Florida’s attraction billed the “Tallest Tree” is a cypress named “Methuselah”, aka “The Senator”, in Longwood - 26.7 miles NE of Ocoee.
http://www.roadsideamerica.com/tip/9298
http://floridagardener.com/misc/senatorcypress.htm
http://www.arboresque.com/Malkoff_Trees.htm
Research re: Methuselah
• Biblical name - many interpretations of the meaning of the name; among them are “When he dies, judgment” or “When he is dead it shall be sent”
• In popular culture, Methuselah is the ‘vampire’ race in Trinity Blood.
• The Ninth Generation: Conquering the Giants by John L Owens (historical fiction, published 2008)
Partial book description: “…In the preflood world of unspoiled beauty, a Sethite tree-village is gripped by a strange terror. Another daughter has vanished from the valley. Tracks point to the south-a mysterious continental island-the land of the Nephilim giants. Methuselah’s son, Lameck, is forced into a desperate rescue journey that turns romantic, but encounters supernatural opposition unleashed by the angelic adversary, Lucifer. Only Enoch-the one who walked with God-could free Lameck and prepare him to face and overcome the fortresses of evil…”
http://www.amazon.com/Ninth-Generation-Conquering-Giants/dp/1604776560
Might all be way too far out there - might be a clue.
Excellent work, I think it is more than a clue
B
Blink, if #94 is for real why can’t you run their IP addy down. Maybe if it is a public place where they are using a computer there is a camera. Of course, if there is something to this you are already light years ahead of me! The brainstorms are mild and few and far between, lol.
Ok, this has gotten REALLY bizarre. I recently changed my profile on my search engine to YoYo. It meant nothing to me except words. But, #94 is immediately above my post. Please, someone, convince me this is a coincidence. Please.
Tams - great research. I didn’t go as deep when trying to figure out #94. When I read the tallest tree, I immediately wondered who the top person was in Ocoee LE.
remember, what is it that you will break even when you name it?
Silence.
I think I may need the dunce cap on this one, Nice Job.
B
mjh, #97, “…I did read about Hataway saying she wanted pot, but she didn’t like the drugs he had, so she left. I just really wish they would find Tracy.”
We only have Jimmy Hataway’s word that Tracy wanted drugs on the night she disappeared. Personally, with his history of attacking & trying to strangle Rachel Clarke, I’m highly suspicious of his comments.
Someone here at Blink, who’s familiar with LE investigations wrote a post about how perpetrators, guilty of violent crimes, will lie to demonize or diminish their victims, to make them appear less sympathetic. It’s a defense mechanism; planting a red herring about Tracy wanting pot, to send the investigation on a wild goose chase.
If Mr. Hataway hadn’t previously tried to kill Rachel Clarke, under the same circumstances as Tracy; giving him a ride home from wherever they’d been socializing, then I would probably be more inclined to being skeptical.
Also, mjh, there’s another area woman missing, Jennifer Kesse, who disappeared in the same manner as Tracy did. Supposedly she worked out at the gym next to the Tap Room.
Criminals usually are dumb asses who think they’re smart. If Jimmy is so stupid, then how did he hide Tracy’s body so well? I suspect he’s done this before and has learned from his mistakes.
I wonder how many other women may be missing in the area. We know one who got away, Rachel Clarke. My gut tells me Jimmy is involved.
In reference to #94- “danse Macbre” according to Wiki is is a late-medieval allegory on the universality of death: no matter one’s station in life, the dance of death unites all. La Danse Macabre consists of the personified death leading a row of dancing figures from all walks of life to the grave, typically with an emperor, king, youngster, and beautiful girl—all skeletal.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Danse_Macabre
Hello again FairWitness,
That comment was in response to Sunday. She gave me a link that I had asked her for. Since I already knew about what Hataway had said about the “pot”, I put it into my response to her so that she would not have to go looking for a link to it (RE: #89). Also, I believe sometimes there is a little truth in people’s lies. If Tracy smoked pot, it would not make me think any less of her, and it would certainly not mean that she should be hurt or killed. I still think that Hataway may have lured her to another location. Although, Joe Ocasio’s message says that her phone was pinging .21 miles from the tower, and that Hataway’s house is .20 miles from the tower. So, it seems he couldn’t have gone very far. Unless he kept her cell phone with him when he went back home. Then, he would have had a couple of hours in between (2 a.m. until 4:30 a.m. or 4:30 a.m. until 8:30 a.m.)
Also, in light of the new “coded” message #94, it seems that this crime involves more than one person, and has a lot to do with the whole Vampire thing. I have also now read that Hataway was searching suicide on his computer after he was first questioned by police. If this is true, it does make him look pretty guilty.
Heidi, Thank you for the information on the cell phone towers. I did not realize that they could pinpoint an exact distance (.21 miles). I was thinking it could be anywhere in that 1-5 mile radius.
I goggled Big Tree Park and I can’t find anything resembling a “sea” thats mentioned in #94, unless there’s a business around there with the name sea in it. Possibly Lake Jessup?
Don’t know if it is related but on the father’s website there was another similar post that stuck out to me, though the verbiage isn’t similar:
“06/26/2009 @ 12:12 AM
Mr. Ocasio, we know you are going through a hard time right now, but you must look within you daughter social gathering and you will find your answer……
tic toc”
http://www.tracyocasio.com/guestbook.php
If they run IP addresses perhaps they could cross ref. it with that one. Though, there are ways around that such as public locations…or it could be just another jerk looking for attention, too.
Blink, Danse Macabre (Dance of Death) has many items associated when googled; YouTube videos, writings, paintings. It’s the title of a Stephen King novel first published in 1981.
Here is Wikipedia’s link:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Danse_Macabre
It could be YoYoOcoOco’s post is just a farce.
Fairwitness. - I know that Rachel is stating that Hataway tried to kill her. I haven’t said anything in public about this because I don’t want anyone gunning for me. I do believe that something happened that night but I think it could have possibly “gone down” a little differently than Rachel reported. I’m not saying that she’s not being truthful, I would never ever say she was lying, but, the her account of that night could be askew.
Per Post #107 above, referencing a comment from the Ocasio family’s website:
“06/26/2009 @ 12:12 AM: Mr. Ocasio, we know you are going through a hard time right now, but you must look within you daughter social gathering and you will find your answer……tic toc”
Another clue that has pushed me towards the following realization:
As difficult as it may be to do, there is probably merit in coming to the realization that this missing young woman may have made some unfortunate & perhaps naive choices regarding whom she associated with. It is beginning to perhaps appear as though she liked the “bad boy” types - the fact that she dated a Hutto being one of the red flags. We may have to open our minds to the fact that she used drugs as a part of this culture of friends - even though it was likely not on the scale of usage/experimentation of others such as Hataway, etc. When we let down those mental barriers regarding Tracy, perhaps we will be able to more clearly see the bigger picture or the proverbial “forest from the trees”.
Not placing judgement. Not trying to place doubt on character. Worded as delicately as I could. I just believe we need to take all blinders off to be able to locate beautiful dear Tracy.
Sorry, mjh. I realize you were responding to Sunday. I’ve noticed fellow Blinkers jump in whenever they have a point they’d like to interject.
More evidence is needed to file charges against Jimmy Hataway & further investigation is warranted to find all the guilty participants. If he’s innocent, then I hope the truth comes out. There’s circumstantial evidence which points to his involvement; he’s the last to see Tracy, except her abductor (probably Jimmy). Her car found so close to Jimmy’s home (which could have been parked there by someone else). And her cell phone pinging in the same area.
If someone is framing Jimmy, he knows him well. An accomplice, perhaps? Frame ups are great for mystery writers, movies & TV. In my experience, reality doesn’t work that way.
I just want Tracy found.
Blink, I had no idea that Tracy had dated oen of the Huttos. I do know she went out with one of them, who she called “the ugly one”. She was interested in his friend, Hataway, so hard for me to even write it down, it makes me feel sick.
Meant to say one. I do wish, that one of these friends do come forth, and give-out a real hint to were Tracy’s body is. Joe wants his daughter, he is not interested in revenge. So often I read ” I could not imagine how to even cope with someone missing”. Well it’s an unmaginable ocean of agony and dispair, from which you can’t wake-up from. My brother will never be the same. his suffering is beyond belief.
Sunday, and everyone else- the suggestion of Lake Jessup is more than a little scary to hear as a local, because the 417 (ie. Central Florida Greenway) goes right over the center of it and if there was an easy way to dispose of a body…it would be there. It wouldn’t be that difficult to drop it over the bridge at let’s say between 3-6 am on a desolate Wednesday morning. I believe it is a divided highway, so someone could easily drive slow until there was no traffic in sight and if there ended up being another vehicle in the vicinity, they could just make another pass traveling in the opposite direction (after making a U-turn in the median). Unfortunately, that lake also has an abnormally high population of alligators, even by Florida’s standards. Wikipedia mentions much of what I have already but also discusses “a thick layer of muck more than 9 1/2 feet deep in some areas sitting on the bottom of the lake that now averages only six feet in depth”… (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lake_Jesup)
On the other hand, that is a long way to travel when you have all the comforts of hiding a body nearby; in familiar territory…because from the MetroWest area (where the Taproom is), would be at least a 30 minute drive under the best possible circumstances.
Is there any way to check the toll cameras and receipts for that morning? With consideration to whatever vehicles Hataway and his cronies had access to? There is no way to access that road unless you pay cash or have an EPass/Sunpass-both of which would leave a paper and video trail- or at least traces of such. Also, cameras along the way at major intersections should probably be explored as several of the municipalities have been installing and utilizing them recently.
Correction- One could access the 417 (Central Florida Greenway) by running the tolls. However, this would also leave a paper and image trail (hopefully) as the cameras are supposed to take photographs of your license plate as you run the tolls, and subsequently charge your Epass account if you have one, or send you ticket/warning.
Have had this in the back of my mind at work today; as I was working in the Art section (am a manager of a bookstore, and an Art major - thus, my favorite section!) - the cover of a book made me stop to ponder . . . The cover was a depiction of Evard Munch’s famous Expressionist piece, “The Scream”. For those who need a visual reminder:
http://www.ibiblio.org/wm/paint/auth/munch/munch.scream2.jpg
It is often discussed that this infamous piece represents a symbolic portrayal of death; the jaw dropping open in anguished fear . . . or, as we have now learned via Caylee & the duct tape, due to natural causes, known as the “O” effect.
If this is too gruesome or out of line, please edit me, Blink . . .
. . . but, what else does a dropped jaw evoke? Awe. Per Post #94’s riddle/poem: “… for near not far I wait in awe, for you to find me, once and for all…” I may be reading entirely too much into it, but could this person be telling us that Tracy is dead somewhere, waiting for us to find her?
The author of that post did after all refer to the “Danse Macabre”. Some history/meaning of such:
The “Dance of Death” was originally a species of spectacular 14th century English morality plays, evolving from the widespread fear of such epidemics as the Black Death. In these productions, Death appeared as the messenger to the living relaying what fate had in store; the dance depicting violent death.
http://www.deathreference.com/Nu-Pu/Personifications-of-Death.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Danse_Macabre
Is Tracy’s disappearance (& possible death?) meant to be a message to someone?
As usual, excellent research Tams and that is exactly what I believe.
B
Re: #94 - this seems like a strange place for a group of criminals to be leaving messages to each other - unless they are communicating in code with a contact on LE?
I knew Jimmy when he was a teen. My son was very, very close to him. We’re talking many yrs ago when they were around 15-17. He lived with us for quite awhile. My son and I have discussed all this at length and he’s said more than a couple of times that as teens, they had a code to live by and a code between them when discussing things they didn’t want others to know about. The code to live by was you never harm anyone and you never turn on the others. He has also said that if he could talk to Jimmy, they could talk about things and no one would understand it. Unfortunately, he’s moved out of state several yrs ago and can’t come here due to work and family obligations. Thank goodness, my son and 2 of the other boys took another avenue in life and are doing well for themselves. My whole point of this is that there is a “code.” I read him the post that we’re all discussing and he said that it means nothing to him. But, that doesn’t mean it doesn’t mean something to someone. I find it strange that as kids they had a code and it seems that others are still using one.
I hope that LE has been in contact with the females that were with the Hutto’s the night of the altercation between them and Tracy. I’ve seen accounts that there were 1 and also there were 2. For some reason, young women in the type of group that the Hutto’s are in are extremely aggressive and seem to feel they need to prove how tough they are. I’m trying hard not to sterotype these women and forgive me if I’m not doing a good job of it. But, is it possibly that they had a point to prove? It was reported that Tracy called at least one of them out. Could the men be protecting the women?
Re: Post #114 from Shannaghan:
Your post really adds so much of this up, IMO - made my heart stop just to read it. Numerous tie-ins:
• Lake Jessup is perhaps the “largest sea” to be seen from the “tallest tree”
• The “thick layer of muck” could well be known by those in the dredging business, as well as the alligator info
• Only 30 minutes away (not far at all really - numerous folks commute that each way to work on a daily basis) via a major thoroughfare, makes it most probably familiar to all of those in this Ocoee group/circle of acquaintances
• Add all of that to the tale that Hataway supposedly bragged about knowing a perfect place to “make someone disappear” - probably heard/gossiped about by those in this group
• All of this makes the “message” of Tracy’s disappearance (& possible death?) very clear to all in this group
Are we reading way to much into this, and creating our own horror novel? . . . am officially really scared.
My apologies to the Ocasio family & friends if we are spinning this into something outlandish - not my intention at all. Just want to help find this lovely young woman.
Blink - I was wondering if LE ever reads these posts? The reason I was wondering is because so many people have left great ideas and it would be a shame if they weren’t followed up on.
They do.
B
Sunday, Post #109, I believe there are pictures of Rachel’s injuries that provide corroboration for her account of Jimmy’s attempted murder.
Tams, Post #110, I think it’s already been well-established that there are a certain number of characters of ill-repute in this group. I don’t see any evidence to suggest that Tracy was attracted to “bad boys” or that she was a drug user. The prime suspect “bad boy” Jimmy Hataway is saying Tracy wanted to smoke pot the night she disappeared. THAT DOESN’T MAKE IT TRUE.
It seems to me that Tracy was guilty of nothing more than trusting someone unworthy of that trust. What proof do you have for your opinion? I haven’t read anything that backs that up.
mrs calilady,i absolutely appreciate your posting here please dont go away,i was in no way suggesting tracy deserved this ,for calling the cops,i did cringe later that ,could be read that way,(i glad you responded,lets me know my instincts and sensitivity,are in sync)i merely couldnt get the wording right,without wording it from the point of view of the person arrested,i was thinking that tracy was too nice of a girl to be hanging out with these,i bow down to tracy for calling the police if she deemed the situation worthy, it wouldve been the last time i hung out there though. i do think that the comment on joe’s site and the above comment#110 are correct, i have a bad feeling the body will never be found,and so to find your peace with what happened your going to have to piece together what&who tracy was or was becoming what exactly was this social circle whats on their rap sheets whats coming out about them,and what exactly was the social dynamic the particulars of each of tracy’s brush ups within in this circle ,and i think the obvious will become apparent,you might not ever know exactly what happened and i fear in this situation that might be the better way.
Fairwitness, I’m sure that something happened. I have no doubt about that but being young and drawn to the bad boy type has gotten more than one naive female into trouble. I’m thinking more along the lines of rough play that got out of hand. I was young once and I remember a guy that I went out with where things definitely got out of hand. I went home with the feeling that I too had been close to being severaly injured. When I look back on it now, I know that I was with someone so far ahead of me in these matters and I know now that there was no ill intent. I just didn’t have a clue and he wasn’t reading the signals I was giving out until I punched him and got his attention. If this were the case with Rachel, I can see her jumping out of the car, running down the street with Hataway chasing her to see what the heck happened. At this point he could have been as confused as she was. I can also see him reaching her, grabbing her and both of them going to the ground. With Rachel screaming, this is probably when the witness came out to see what was going on and saw them both on the pavement. Like I said, I have no doubt that something happened, but when a young person is scared to death, they’re mind can tell them a lot of things. I know, I had it happen to me. I honestly don’t believe that he was going to harm her. And as far as Tracy wanting to smoke pot with Hataway, this was the same story that was reported about Rachel. More people smoke pot than you realize. If it’s true that Tracy or Rachel wanted to smoke pot, I really don’t think that this tarnishes their reputations. I would hope that no one in this day and age would see them as “bad” because they smoke pot. I think that they were possibly naive and hooked up with the wrong people but young girls ARE attracted to the “bad boy” types. This is a known fact.
And Fairwitness, please please don’t think I’m jumping you at all. I, like everyone else on here, have a hard time putting into words sometimes what we’re thinking. I’m just one of those people that try and see all sides to everything. Whether it’s in this instance or my own personal life. I don’t think that everything is as it seems all the time. 5 people can see the exact thing happen and they’ll give 5 different accounts of what actually happened. It doesn’t mean that they’re lying, it just means they see things different. Forgive me if I came across condescending or rude.
I thought that whole .21 mile thing had to do with triangulation and isn’t exact. I could be wrong.
Thank you Susan for your honesty and forwardness. Sunday, I am glad that you were a strong enough girl, that you were able to overcome your attacker. However, Hataway had attack females in the past, and his ex-roommate, who has received threats since he spoke to the media, witnessed Hataway try the braking of the neck of a female by placing his fingers on the sides of her mouth, as well as punching another girl until she did not move anymore. He should had gone to the cops, but I am sure the fact that Hataway once pointed a gun at him, kept him from coming forward. I have aleady accepted the sad fate of my niece. When I came to realize somewhat, why she is gone, it hit me like a ton of bricks. For her dad, Joe, my brother, this wll never go away. He was so close to his daughter, truly she was his princess. This is so unimaginably painful for him and Liz, his wife, as well as for his very large family, that are all over the world. I am a firm believer that God will punish all those involved in His good time. Thank you for all of you, that come out with clues and for your caring and prayers. I told this to Blink before, without sites like this (yours is far the best of all) I would have had an emotional brakedown.
http://www.city-data.com/towers/cell-Ocoee-Florida.html
I would think that one problem with triangulating cell phones is caused when a cell phone does not fall inside the area of a triangle created by three towers. It seems that all that can be used then is signal strength to the tower.
I do note that the map is not inclusive of all towers in the area.
Someone or many know where she is, and none of them choose to say, how sad! Even if they could give a big clue, that wouldn’t be traced back to them would be awesome, I wouldn’t want something that dreadful hanging over my shoulder’s. I hate to feel guilty as it is, and alot of times…I have no need to and still do. Something this sad could make a normal healthy person ill. It’s time for someone to step up and give this girl back to her parent’s, their so stressed and heartbroken over this, and probally feel so worthless. I still find is so insane that there was no evidence, that’s really crazy!
I don’t know any of these people and I worry and think about it daily.
Please do the right thing, so she can be back with her parent’s or RIP and her family can have a little closure to relate to.
All right, then, Sunday. I understand where you’re coming from. My radar is bleeping on Hataway. Three women in and around Ocoee and his general proximity have encountered something awful. One lived to tell about it, the other is the missing. Tracy Ocasio who was last seen in Hataway’s company who says she gave him a ride home and wanted to smoke pot but didn’t like what he had so she left.
The one who lived to tell, Rachel Clarke, says she gave the guy a ride home — nothing about smoking dope — she went to hug him goodbye and the man attacked her. Her head was slammed into the pavement, the man tried to strangle her — she has the marks to prove it.
Then there’s another woman who we have no knowledge that Jimmy knew her, but Jennifer Kesse is missing just like (and before) Tracy. There’s too much wrong around this guy, regardless of your past history with him. You may need to accept that people change. He’s not who you thought he was.
Re; Danse Macabre:
Danse Macabre is a novel by Stephen King, and, well, this is probably pushing it, but this is a poem from Courage by Mansfield:
A SONG OF VENGEANCE
The night is dark,
There is no light no light!
All the world is dark,
The night is dark . . .
It is no ordinary darkness, this.
Even the moon trembles and hides her face,
Pale, trembling moon, shivering behind warm
clouds,
I do not blame you.
I, too, fear to look upon the sights you hide ‘from.
Yet I must do it for I am a man
And I must avenge!
Revenge! Revenge! That is a word I never knew
till now.
Death and red blood seemed very distant once.
I have known love.
I have felt kisses soft upon my lips.
I have felt bodies warm against my own,
I have looked into eyes tender and lit with love,
I have fought boyishly, half laughing as I did so,
But this this game of killing my fellow men is
new to me.
Still are they my fellow men?
That is a question difficult to answer:
Are they my fellow men, these things, these Huns?
Partners all in a danse macabre of lusty killing,
Rapers of women,
Breakers of oaths,
Butchers of babes
I doubt it.
If these are my fellow men,
Better the apes from whom they tell me I descend !
Yes, I will slay, and it shall be no crime,
For in this darkness I can see the eyes,
The eyes of virgins with their virtue robbed,
The eyes of heroes treacherously stabbed,
The eyes of hostages killed for their gaolers’
pleasure,
The eyes of murdered children,
The eyes of boys who never shot a gun,
The eyes of aged women and old men,
The eyes of countless hundreds tortured to their
graves,
Those eyes call out for vengeance !
They whisper eagerly to me in the quiet of my
room ;
They call out from the shadows when I walk
abroad ;
They gibber at me no matter where I go.
Vengeance! They claim it as their due.
Vengeance! It is their right, their wage.
Vengeance! If it is not theirs, it is not God’s.
Vengeance! And we shall give it them.
Those murdered babes of wrongly sunken ships,
Those crucified of Belgium and of France
They shall have vengeance.
Coldly, quietly, almost with half a smile,
We come, youths of the New World eager for the
fray
They shall have vengeance,
And we we youths of the New World we shall
give it them!
Tina and the entire Ocasio family. I am truly deeply saddened that you are having to go through this. No one, no one should ever have to endure this type of pain. I have a 26 yr old daughter and I can not imagine what it is to go through something like this. Even though I knew Jimmy, I last saw him 13 yrs ago. If he did this or had anything to do with it, I will still care about him but I would also hope that he would be punished accordingly. My personal feeling is that others are hiding information. I don’t know who or how far it goes but what you need to know is out there. Someone always knows. This kind of thing does not happen without someone, somewhere knowing. If they would just grow the coconuts it takes to come forward, your family could at least have some closure.
Fairwitness, fair enough. Nothing wrong with a difference of opinion. The one thing I know we all agree on is that we want Tracy to be found and brought back to her family. That’s first and foremost in everyone’s mind.
RE: Gale St. John doing a secretive search in this case. I want to puke…
http://www.myfoxorlando.com/dpp/news/orange_news/070309psychic_ocasio
I am no fan of Gale St.Fraud, she is an utter con artist. In about 8 seconds, I am going to post the screenshot of when she spent an hour on here copying all the maps and pics on Tracy’s case. Yes Gale, we are ready for you this time; you never did understand technology or analytics. Oh and you know exactly what I am talking about without me naming the people that are reporting your every move.
B
Sunday has posted on every board on the OS claiming Jimmy is innocent and these women were at fault. This latest claim she was attacked is a new addition to her story. She is doing everything she can to make Clarke looked uncredible. She is really pissing me off here.
Hey Sunday, Smoking pot is against the law, smoking it gets you locked up, not just a bad rep. You make me sick.
Ty Sunday!
I guess I’m just a different person, if I was guilty of something. If I were arrested, I wouldn’t be telling the media anything, to say…I’m not guilty, I think it threw me off, and I wasn’t aware of all the thing’s Jimmy’s old roommate knew and seen. I simply can’t believe there are people who stand behind Jimmy, if he did it, he did it! If not, then so be it, I guess I’m more familiar with people like BTK- Dennis Rader, growing up in Wichita, Ks. He was very happy to have everyone know it was him.
Sunday, there’s a reason Jimmy Hataway is in custody. We aren’t privy to all the evidence LE has in Tracy’s case. Like forensic results from her abandoned car or from the search of Jimmy’s home. There must be witnesses who have come forward with information which has not been released publicly. As Tracy’s father said in his July 3rd post, none of the information has led to Tracy’s whereabouts. You’re right that someone knows what happened. But it may be he’s already in custody and remaining silent.
Sunday- Thank you for your insight…you have very interesting posts. Please share more of your perspective. Curious, wasn’t it on a Sunday when Tracy went missing? We hope with all our hearts that whoever has her or know who does, will let her return her home soon.
Sunday, Hataway has a kidnapping charge from when he was a youth. He has a girl accusing him of attempted murderin Seminole County. The “rough play” explanation does not pass the straight face test in this instance. Accept it: you knew a monster before he became a monster or before his monstrosity revealed itself. Now, please, show some respect for the victims and quit rationalizing your old buddies behavior.
For the record, I dont care if the incident started as “rough play”, if he brutally attacked this girl, and I have no reason to doubt her story, and in fact, reasons to corroberate it, he will be punished accordingly. I would however, not like to attack posters for their personal experiences with Hataway-
For whatever reason, the State’s Attorney opted NOT to charge Hataway until he became a person of interest in another alleged crime; the disappearance of Tracy Ocasio, 9 months later. I can tell you when she first re-approached the SA, she was DENIED, told they could not be pressing charges because it would not be prosecutable because she did not cooperate last time, and thus why no charges were filed. Shortly thereafter, you see the magnitude of the charges he is facing. What changed their mind?
Hypothesis: her car was near his house because in the course of killing Tracy and disposing of her body, her keys were misplaced, lost, fell out, or otherwise could not be found. The original plan was for Hataway to dump her body and then move her car (perhaps having earlier moved it with another car, like his dads, or possibly a friend’s truck), but the missing keys complicated things.
Susan, the prime suspect is the one making the accusations that these women, the missing Tracy & the assaulted/almost murdered Rachel, wanted to smoke pot. What independent/credible corroboration is there for his assertions or versions of events? I haven’t seen any.
We should not lend any weight to the story of Jimmy Hataway. He’s a violent, dangerous druggie and a total degenerate. Why anyone would come here and cast aspersions on his victims’ character? It’s inhumane to Tracy’s loved ones; they’re already suffering more than any of us can possibly imagine.
IT IS CRUEL!
I did not see anyone casting disparity on her character here, and I would not allow that. Frankly, I really dont think whether or not a girl smokes weed and dates guys that may not be my particular cup a joe, casts disparity. She’s an adult, and imo, a victim. The problem I am having is pointing the finger at someone where others with a hell of a lot more of a motive have NOT been investigated is grossly irresponsible and I seek to understand why. If the goal truly is finding Tracy, as it should be, why focus on just Hataway?
B
20 BODIES????? I would LOVE to see THIS list!!! How can they print unsubstantiated info like this? I understood she has never found ONE body!
snipped from myfoxorlando.com (credit where it’s due lol)
Gale St John is a nationally known psychic who has found more than 20 bodies. On Friday she searched this area and others trying to find Tracy ocasio.
St. John has been in Orlando since June 25, a nationally known figure conducting a secretive search. “We’ve had a lot going on this week. Things we’ve come across. Things I have a lot of feelings about.
If she found 20 bodies she was either at the morgue on a weekend or I would be checking her 20 alibis.
B
Gale, go away, you are not wanted here. I’m doing a very interesting story about you. Ask your whipping boy Brian how he liked the story I did about him. I bet it really made you and Brian mad that the domain name TracyOcasio.com was taken before you vultures could buy it up. Was Brian able to sell his porn site? Go away, and I mean it.
Ask Brian if he remembers Detective Shoemaker? How much would he like out there?
B
Susan - I’ve never posted anything on ANY site where I have defended Jimmy in any way, shape or form. It’s what you’re reading into my posts that’s causing the problems. I’ve said it many times, if Jimmy is found guilty, he needs to be punished according to whatever the law allows. I most definitely have never, ever, ever said he was innocent. If you can find one post anywhere that shows me defending him or his actions, please, direct us all to it. I have defended his shaved head, tattoos and piercings. I would defend these choices no matter who it was. Yes, he had a crappy childhood but I’m NOT stating this as a defense. It’s a fact. It does not excuse bad behavior. And not one time have I said anything negative about Tracy or Rachel. I wouldn’t do that. But, there is more going on than we, the public, are privvy too. I don’t know if Jimmy did or didn’t do this but if he did, he wasn’t alone. And, if he played any part in it, he deserves to be punished.
Everyone - Differences of opinon can sometimes lead to great ideas. But, don’t attack me because I may see things a little differently. Even Blink feels that there are others involved. There are so many scenerios that could have gone down during this tragedy. Why not explore some of them? Discuss them?
Blink, I apologize if I unknowingly offended anyone on this board. It wasn’t my intent. I guess most people aren’t prepared to look at things from all angles. They put a target out there and focus on it, never looking past it.
Once again, I’m being labled a Jimmy sympathizer because I may have different opinions or I try to talk through all possible scenerios.
Sorry, I’ve never been one to follow the crowd. A lot of times playing follow the leader means jumping off a cliff and I’m not prepared to do that.
I have to agree with No Name. Guys- I have serious reservations about how this investigation is being conducted for a myriad of reasons. I am not saying Hataway is innocent, or a nice guy. I am saying I am in personal contact in upwords of 15 very close associates in this case and it is not adding up to me. You can’t charge up the castle yet, no way.
B
Hack & Sue Iten - I have no idea what day this all happened. My name has been sundayschild47 for 4 yrs. It’s the day I was born and my age at the time I created it. I change it up from time to time due to boredom. Now my name is being put into question?
Those are valid points you’ve made, Blink. Smoking pot is a crime, although a minor infraction by law. So is running a stop sign or speeding. I get that it’s not big time criminal conduct.
Sunday speculates that Tracy may have had an attraction to “bad boys.” On what does she base this? Did she know Tracy personally? It could be she was simply unsophisticated and naive about who Jimmy really was. Ignorant of the danger. Lots of women are attracted to “bad boy” types, but they don’t wind up assaulted or missing.
I just wonder if speculating about possible scenarios based solely on the word of the prime suspect doesn’t do a disservice to the victim. I fail to see how that helps further the search for Tracy.
Criminals & sociopaths lie about everything, they lie even when it’s not necessary. I don’t think any credence should be placed in what Jimmy Hataway has to say.
The underlying message seems to be Tracy’s behavior put herself at risk. While a whole lot of these folks in this crowd would not be described good citizens, we really don’t know what Tracy knew about them. I think Tracy misjudged these folks, Jimmy in particular. She didn’t know she was in danger. She made a mistake, imho.
According to that article on St.John the “fake” psychic in my opinion, she claims she has found 20 bodies. To that I say BS. I can’t find even ONE attributed to her findings, unless she is counting driving by where they are found like that VERY FAKE video of Caylee Anthony case. If she KNEW where the body was, WHY did she and that stupid dog not get out and get it? I can tell you why and that is because she doesn’t know diddly and that stupid do is NO CADAVER trained dog. I believe LE should be investigating her.
There are REAL psychic abilities, and hers is NOT one of them in my opinion.
Lol, yes, they should, for more than a few reasons.
B
The comment says it’s by nonameplz but it’s Sunday. I don’t know why it put this but it’s definitely Sunday. I don’t want anyone to think I’m hiding out.
Fairwitness - I didn’t say she was attracted to the “bad boy” types. I said “young girls ARE attracted to the “bad boy” types.” I never said she was. However, I believe, and correct me if I’m wrong, she dated one of the Hutto’s. I may be assuming here but that to me would be an attraction to “bad boy” types. This does not make her a bad person. Good grief, that would mean I’m a bad person because I’ve made that mistake myself back in the day and believe me, I’m far from bad. I’m as white bread as you can get.
LOL. Tracy was “dating” one or more of the Huttos in the last months. I feel like we are all trying to get to the same place, let’s stay on that path.
B
Sunday/Nonameplz, Internet communications can be tricky sometimes, because reading and comprehension are subjective to the reader, not the writer. You know what you mean when you write it, but it may be comprehended differently from you intent.
You stop short of calling Rachel a liar, but you strongly implied that she exaggerated or misconstrued the incident with Jimmy. I pointed out there were photos reported of her injuries at the time of the attack. What say you to that?
Rachel says she did follow up and cooperate with the authorities to see that Jimmy was prosecuted and was very upset when she learned charges had not been filed against him. Something is wrong with the excuse LE is using to defend its failure to file charges 9 months ago. The LE version of events doesn’t jive with Rachel’s. Someone is not telling the truth. So let me ask this, why is there enough evidence NOW to prosecute James Hataway, but not back when it happened? I think they dropped the ball. They had witnesses and photos, plus a victim.
As for your supposition that Tracy must’ve liked bad boys if she had a date with a Hutto brother or (according to Hataway) smoked pot, I submit there’s insufficient proof for that opinion. This girl did NOT do anything wrong by giving Jimmy Hataway a ride home.
None of us really knows what happened to Tracy. All we have is a video tape showing her leaving the Tap Room with Hataway, her car found the next morning near his home, her cell phone pinging in that area and Hataway’s story. Nothing else has been made public.
One of the brothers had an arrest in 1998 for sexual battery. After all was said and done, he got credit for time served and did 1 month and 22 days. A Kidnapping w/intent charge went poof. There was also a burglary charge where him and a crowd burglarized a dwelling and beat the inhabitants in 1999. This was compounded by a co-crime of wearing a mask to conceal a crime. Poof, gone. There have also been drug charges, domestic abuse, batteries, civil suits for not paying bills etc. Nothing is ever done to this clan. Maybe some good legal mind on here can tell me why. Who is protecting them and why? Why do the members of LE arrest them, only to have them come right back out o fthe turnstile and not be charged? They must have something good on someone important to make these serious charges go poof every time.
I don’t remember all the details now but it is like getting arrested for hacking someone’s arm of during an armed robbery and pleading to failure to provide a band aid. Who is covering these boys tracks, and why?
X A C T L Y
there appear to be two susans here,the last i posted was to mrs calilady comment 128 any susan after that is not me,i will change to susanm
Hey Turbothink, Good to see you posting here. Are you saying that, in your opinion some psychics are not honest? And some dogs couldn’t find a hamburger if it was stapled to his tail? I reckon I would have to agree.
Also, I have not seen anyone speak ill of Tracy. If she was smoking crack, stomping puppies on the weekend, and painting swastikas on daycares, she still does not deserve to be wherever she is now.
I do not smoke but do not consider pot smoking a real crime. If it was, then about 85% of all adults should be locked up for their past transgressions.
Everybody see why RR is my brother from another mother?
B
there appears to be two susans here ,i lasted posted to calilady ,any susan since #128 is another susan ,i change to susanm
what you want to know is did her car leave the area,whre did she park at jimmi’s, driveway?did she actually make it to jimmi’s,was she taken by another vehicle,did she leave the area,if she made it there.
:)B
RR rocks ,too! Always good timing to ease up the tone
Let’s hope my name is right this time.
Fairwitness - I never alluded to Rachel lying. I said that when someone is scared to death, sometimes their recollection of events can be askew. That in no way implies that she’s lying.
The pot issue - I don’t care. It has no bearing on what we’re trying to achieve here. It has no bearing on the fact that Tracy is missing.
Red - this is the subject that I think needs to be explored. The Hutto’s are not just bad guys, they’re BAD guys. The fact that they haven’t spent any real jail time concerns me also. Do they have friends in high places? Goes back to the cryptic message left….tall tree. Could this be someone in a top position in LE?
I’d also like to know if LE has questioned the girls that were with the Hutto’s at the Tap Room when the altercation with Tracy occur. If one or both of them felt the least bit “dissed”, I can see a big revenge motive there.
Could Jimmy be protecting his father from retaliation if he were to spill the beans?
So many questions. I thought reporters were supposed to dig for the facts. Maybe we should get a well known crime writer like Ann Rule to get involved. Bet she could get to the facts.
Sunday- If you meant to offend me you did. The only reason the “facts” are even out is because of my work. The only reason anyone even knows about Toole, or the Huttos involvement is from this site. There is a great deal I cannot write on because this is an active case, but hands down, in this case, the breaks and “facts” came from here. For instance, you mention “girls at the Tap Room”.. And where prey tell did you read that little tidbit? Anne is a crime novelist, whom I deeply respect. She would be the first to tell you she is a writer, but not actively involved in contributing and reporting on a current case. Big diff.
B
#152 - That info makes it seem that this guy is a snitch, & someone from the area posted in here saying the same thing in a cryptic manner…
If your talking about Hutto, I believe he is, and have been told that by people that know that personally.
B
Blink - I had asked that something I wrote on here be for your eyes only but now it’s being posted somewhere else. People are taking what I’m saying here and posting it somewhere else. I don’t understand.
If Its not posted here, which it is not, I have no idea, guys- and this is a blanket statement- stop making it about each other, and stick to the issue. Respectfully, I am not here to referee, I am here to work- to solve cases and stand for victims that need our help. Please let this by my last comment on this.
B
Blink - I in no way meant to offend you. I don’t know you’re background or your experience. I apologize. I know that you brought up Toole and Hutto in the very beginning before anyone else and several other things that I’ve seen no where else. I was thinking more along the lines of what ties LE has with the Hutto’s. The girls at the Tap room that I was referring to, I saw in the media one and then I saw two, were with the Hutto’s when the altercation with Tracy occurred. It was reported that she had words with one of them.
Ok, apology accepted. There has been bickering on here today over nonsense from people that have been sharp contributors here in the past and I hope in the future. Perhaps we all take a second to agree this is a highly emotional case, with some very serious “players” and the best way for us all to wrap around it is to hold hands. If I have not been clear enough for some, let my spell it out- This case has W A Y more going on than meets the eye and I promise Mr. and Mrs. Ocasio, and hopefully Mr. and Mrs. Kesse, that this does not end up like Satsuma; Not if I can help it, my best advice to anyone who might be protecting anyone is to be the first to cut a deal -or assume the position.
B
THANK YOU ,BLINK ! HOW MANY TIMES you’ve clearified it alreay! Lets grow up,guys..
Maybe a dumb question but I haven’t seen it asked anywhere.What are the chances that some dirty LE is involved in this?
After the articles I have read about certain local LE officers and their consequences (if you can call them that) for what they did I truly wonder.
Possible scenario: she leaves Hataway’s, on way home down Franklin, pulled over or waved over by LE? Oh please tell me I’m not even writing this!
Some very interesting information here:
http://www.ocoee.org/Departments/Police/CallsForService.htm
pdf format of police calls answered by the local LE for the past year and a half. Very interesting activity if you search for Lyle … also on Franklin.
Hope the link works!
Hey Rebel, I want to be clear that it is just my opinion but I am fairly proficient at adding two and two. It almost seems like it has to be a snitch, partner, or blackmail situation. This started at least 11 years ago. We don’t know about juvenile records. Whoever is involved must carry a big stick to keep these walking crime tornadoes from doing a lot of time.
On a side note, I don’t think Rachel is lying. I am, however, unsure she is telling the whole truth. I do remember seeing early on that she did everything that was asked of her by LE. My opinion is that LE could not find Hat so they passed it on to the SA. Since Hat was not in custody, the SA blew it off to concentrate on a bird in the hand. When it all came to a head after Tracy disappeared, the SA tried to cover their collective asses by blaming the victim. The way that they blamed her was predictable and transparent. A lot more face could have been saved had they just fessed up from the start.
Wow Puzzler, I never thought about that scenario.
Is there any way to find out if a satellite view was available for the area of the Tap Room the night Tracy disappeared? This may seem a little far fetched.
I totaly agree with red’s post #152. Red, I have learned that the police department has one of the Hutto brothers as an informant. That is why their messes get clean real quick. I am sure that they told Hataway, that he would be set free in no time. There is also reports of unethical treatment towards an Ocoee police woman, who sued and settled winning monetary compensation. All this is posted in the local Ocoee tv stations sites, as well as some of the local tv websites. Justice will most definitely will be God’s in this tragedy.
Meant to say local newspaper sites as well.
Puzzler,
There are some very interesting calls on the night of her disappearance. That is one major find there. There is a LOT of good information in those calls to the area over the time period.
CULLEN’S CT 5/27/09 022758 SHOTS FIRED 002009017432 don’t know what the area would be related to but within 1 mile of her car.
Yep, there’s a plethora of hinky in that report, isn’t there?
B
Posted this earlier today over at Scared Monkeys, trying to get some round table dialogue going over there as well . . . looks like many similar conclusions are being drawn here, too . . . The LE crime log pdf certainly backs our concerns up, doesn’t it? Great job whoever found that & posted it.
I keep re-reading the Danse Macabre riddle/clue posted 07/03 & mulling it over in my mind as I go through the day. As we continue to attempt to decipher the meaning of the message, I keep asking myself who it was addressed to . . . and why. The poster is clearly speaking to whomever is searching for Tracy, alluding to ’someone’ is waiting for her to be found; almost like a taunt. Who else could they be speaking to besides LE, whom they know reads Blink’s forum - or that Blink is at least in contact with LE regarding information? Could that also speak to “…we had a code asshole”? Referring to the code between LE & informants? It has been intimated that one amongst this ‘gang’ is a ’snitch’ - I believe it was Paul Hutto. Certainly just looking at the records of these criminals reveals that some continually escape prosecution (as pointed out by so many above - including Red Ranger) . . . which does in turn scream INFORMANT, no? . . . OR, unfortunately perhaps, a member of LE that has been doing some under the table dealings with said informants on the side . . . . . (someone above also suggested the ‘dirty cop’ scenario).
Is it possible that this could be a message from an informant (Paul Hutto?) to such a person in LE? Someone in LE who might know more about what happened to Tracy, but is keeping ‘SILENT’ to cover their own behind?
Isn’t it just enough to make you want to scream your head off??
B
Blink, THANKS FOR THE SUPERLATIVE JOB YOU DO!!!!
With all the information and news breaking as a result of your work, do you think the Florida Attorney General will get involved in Tracy Ocasio’s case?
I think AG McCollum may, but I can tell you for a fact that Gov. Christs’ office has been notified by some of the contributor’s here- I was just sent a copy of a letter anonymously.
B
Re: Danse Macabre - it must be for LE - they certainly wouldn’t be sending messages to each other within this “Gang” if these messages are even remotely traceable and highly noticeable on this site - must feel confident enough to post them here. I think it’s more like a threat than a dangling clue - a warning. There’s one thing I can’t figure out - maybe I’m behind on this - but I can see a motive in the Ocasio case - the connection with this group and the altercation the weekend before - but if the Kesse case is also associated - what was the motive and/or connection there - I didn’t get the impression Jennifer would have been hanging around this group. Are they just two separate random acts by the same crew? It’s also strange that there isn’t ever any blood or physical evidence - but then that could go back to Hataway attempting to strangle and break Rachel’s neck that night - perhaps that is how he attacks? No blood? I don’t think one person can pull this off?
I think that little poem was meaningless, written by a vouyer for kicks, and it provides no useful information. These half-literate drugggies–Hutto, Hataway, Toole–can barely hold down a job, let alone construct a complicated riddle.
Even if Hutto is golden with law enforcement, that doesn’t mean he’d have any motive to kill Tracy or that LE would go so far as to cover this up. His serious offences being dropped is, sadly, quite common b/c LE mistakes, over-charging at the front end, reluctant witnesses, mediocre state’s attorneys, etc. Prosecutors are generally wet behind the ears and not the best law students; they make shitloads of mistakes all the time. It’s also consistent with him being a confidential informant, but that will not give you a ticket to murder people.
Once again: last person seen with Tracy was a violent ex-con who committed a similar crime last year under similar circumstances. Why is the car where it is? Probably because the keys were lost in killing, scuffling with, or burying Tracy. Who are these other people? The naturally suspicious ex-cons that all ex-cons hang out with. If we look at all his friends, a great many are theoretically capable of having killed Tracy, but LE has likely already looked at Toole’s, the Huttos, and a great many other peoples alibis, cell phone records, DNA, etc. And if not, they should, if only to clear them and move on with the case against Hataway.
What do they always say? Follow the money.
Beyond the police dept. - is the govt in ocoee notoriously corrupt? Do they have a mayor? Who’s “The Tallest Tree”?
This is really sad, and here I preach to my 2 son’s that the police are good people. Twisted world, so Tracy tried to stop a fight at the bar, she called the cops on an informant. They want revenge, and she goes missing and there’s still no answers. What still keeps comming back to me is Jimmy stating that he was innocent, I mean it was said is a very firm type tone. Like he was getting taken down for something he didn’t do alone or at all. He get’s questioned and searches ways to commit suicide, he is sitting in jail and no one want’s Tracy to be found. The Hutto’s seem like the worst possible canadents for informant’s. They spell nothing but trouble.
Thanks for that insight, Blink.
You know, it could be that Ocoee PD detectives, assigned to Tracy’s case, have uncovered evidence that strongly implicates Hataway, but that evidence hasn’t been divulged publicly.
Don’t you think that under such public scrutiny surrounding Tracy’s case that the Ocoee elected city officials would be leaning on their LE personnel to get this case solved? Surely they’re monitoring your blog, too. If a woman in rural WV (me) is, surely Ocoee’s movers and shakers are.
You would think, but I disagree they have any strong evidence that implicates Hataway. I dont believe that’s the case and I think there was alot of knee jerking going on initially.
B
Perhaps whatever involvement there may be regarding an informant doesn’t go higher than Ocoee P.D. However—
While I don’t have access to FL criminal records, I recall Red Ranger mentioned Hutto’s (et al) have records cleaned up beyond just Ocoee, more than one county. If that is correct- my first thoughts — DEA perhaps? Let’s face it, from some of what we’ve read, it doesn’t seem too far out of the realm.
Any research on C.I.’s will not brighten anyone’s spirits on this case I’m afraid.
IIRC State Attorney General would be the ‘go to’ for contacting Dept of Justice on problems involving informants (if that is the case). This one is scary to me folks.
Blink- I emailed separately, but jumped back in anyway. Maybe I’m just a little paranoid re: messages. These thoughts have been with me since I had asked if H’s records were only cleared from Ocoee. Be safe everyone….
Brenda I hope you are feeling better.
If you’re right that there is no real evidence against Hataway, Blink; what justification do they have for holding him without bond?
Hataway was booked into the Seminole County Jail on charges of burglary with battery, robbery and aggravated battery. I am assuming these would be bondable offenses, unless Hataway was on probation or parole at the time. Do you know if he was on probation or parole?
Re: #176 - LOL - I thought the same thing, ” These half-literate drugggies–Hutto, Hataway, Toole–can barely hold down a job, let alone construct a complicated riddle.” Regardless - like they are going to leave clues leading to a buried body and evidence?
I still think the Kesse case, if related, is the most puzzling.
Where were those gunshots heard? If someone was actually shot, they must have left them there? Buried?
Your article on June 6th stated he was incarcerated in the Orange County Jail on a bond revocation for a criminal mischief offense in April. He was extradited to the Seminole County jurisdiction subsequent to that. If he bonded out in Orange County, where the bond was revoked, would that follow him to Seminole County? I am ignorant of those laws.
Referencing the list that was posted about the Ocoee call outs. Here’s an interesting one
WYOMING CT 5/27/09 180356 911 HANG UP 002009017520
Who lives on Wyoming?
well now, wadda ya know?
B
Here’s the evidence Blink, and it’s strong: violent record, last seen together, car near Hataway’s house, prior MO confirmed, no alibi, cell phone pinging near his house. That’s enough for a conviction.
It’s the other shady people for whom there is no known evidence. Some may have motive, Toole in particular, but beyond that the evidence is weak, nonexistent, or nondisclosed.
No need to make a simple case like this more complicated than it needs to be.
Roach- you have not done your homework, stay tuned.
B
Yes, bond would follow. He’s considered a “hold” for the other jurisdiction, and if gets out in Seminole, he’s taken straight to Orange. Sometimes mistakes happen in these cases and folks are accidentally released, but he should have a hold for Orange County in Seminole County for his VOP/Bond Revocation.
Blink and RR- Do you think all these boys are involved in the KKK of central FL. Its real big down there. Maybe someone higher up in LE is also a member and is helping these boys out. I would love to know if their crimes involved any minorities.
I do not, not in any fashion.
B
WYOMING CT 5/27/09 180356 911 HANG UP 002009017520
How do you tell the time of the call? Is it at 1752? That would be 5:52 pm?
IIRC, 6:04PM approximately
B
Dang, my name came up wrong again. Must be the work computer. It should say Sunday
I need to clarify something please. Did Tracy go missing on 5/27/09 or 5/28/09? Was she at the bar on the 27th and because of the time, disappear on the 28th?
She was out the eve of 5/26, left the Tap Room after 1:30am 5/27, I have seen it reported incorrectly many places.
B
Who lives on Wyoming Court? Toole or the Hutto’s, perhaps?
BTW, post #183 LuckyLou, Blink reported here that Jennifer Kesse’s parents informed authorities, after Tracy Ocasio disappeared and Hataway was a suspect, that their daughter had frequented the Florida Tap Room bar. She was also a previous member of the Cardio Club gym next door to the Tap Room.
I remember, your map video, 1002 Wyoming Court, the Huttos home, right?
Yes’m.
B
re #180
I thought I read on comments on either this site or maybe topix that someone said they heard Jimmie failed the lie detector test miserably. Does anyone know if that is true or not??
I read that, but I do not believe that quote was attributable, like most of what I am hearing.
B
I disagree with Roach’s comment #176. Paul Hutto did have a motive to kill Tracy. His egotistical self center ego could not let go the fact that a girl hit him, and then called the cops on him. These group of arrogant low lives live to bully and scare people. Tracy was retaliating when she hit him, because he knocked her down. It is so tragic, that a mere punch, which could not be so severe coming from a female, made this Hutto want to hurt Tracy, to the point of killing her. Hataway was the stooge that handed her over. This groupd of low-lives druggy-drinking group have no respect for life at all. They can’t excape God.
I wonder if the 911 hang up was Tracy trying to call for help.
Is the exact address of that 911 hang up call from Wyoming Court listed anywhere? Has the Hutto home been searched?
This call should be followed up on, Blink.
No and No
B
Thank you Blink for clarifying the time for me
Well the 911 system in Seminole County has the exact address, Blink. It’s an absolute outrage that this hang up call has not been followed up on. That the Hutto brothers home hasn’t been searched. With everything you’ve uncovered and publicized here, LE has probable cause or the avenues to get it. My God….
have you ckecked out the myspace http://www.myspace.com/jbizzle31 Look at this pictures of his fellas.
It is linked in one of my articles Wendy. That is Jeremiah Hutto.
B
Sunday here…Paul Hutto’s myspace is set to private. Hmmm?
Wendy -
The time of the call is the 4th item over, 18:03:56. The numbers at the end are the incident numbers
WYOMING CT 5/27/09 180356 911 HANG UP 002009017520
Sunday
nonameplz-What is the point of you beating a dead horse and making all kinds of excuses of why Rachele Clark wasn’t assaulted by Jimmy? This is about Tracy, not Rachele. When are you going to tell Blink you are Amanda Case? I bet you deny that too.
Susan, respectfully, I can tell you for a certainty Sunday is most definately not Ms. Case. Secondly, I can tell you Ms. Case is far more concerned about her child than posting on the web; please take my word on that.
B
Re: #192 FairWitness - I guess I should restate that - I know there is a connection with location, ie. Tap Room ,etc. - but what is the motive? There is a possible clear motive with Ocascio with the altercation, etc. - and she was dating and mingling within this group - why Kesse? What was the motive? Did she know something? The timing is also weird - like they staked her out - I can’t imagine she was at the bar that night.
If I read this correctly, and Ocasio was dating one of the Huttos, is it possible she left with JVH knowing it would piss off the ex-boyfriend - in a plan that backfired?
Gotta love how the myspace has mugshots of friends!
I am in Cali and used to work for an executive business center that had a switchboard with 100+ different phone numbers. Ocasionally, we would have an officer show up at the front desk because they received a 911 hang up call from one of our truncated numbers. We never could find an explaination for it. Even though it happened several times and they were aware of the problem, they always sent someone out. If they are not doing the same in Florida, maybe they should be…
The poster on a previous article regarding this case states “you shot a girl”. Now, the police log that Puzzler posted has “shots fired” on Cullens Ct at 2:30 a.m., exactly the time that Tracy would have been in that area. Later that same morning, there is a call to Cullens Ct for Found/Lost property (around 11:30 a.m.) Tracy’s phone/wallet maybe? Is there any way we can see the full reports on these incidents? What the findings were? Something seems really wrong here. Then, the 911 hang up later that day from Wyoming. WTH?
In RE: #206
I’m sure everyone has done this, I just pulled up the map in regards to distance from Cullens Ct and Lyle St. (Hataway’s) and it is 3.9 miles, 10 minute drive at the most. AND Cullens Ct is right by Lake Johio. Sure wish the details of these calls were available. Any word on the results of the call regarding shots fired?
mjh- where’s the article on “you shot a girl”? I guess I missed that one.
The time and energy, that alot of you people put in to this says ALOT, including Blink! I love this Lady. I get alot of smart a$$ commits from my husband, for reading this and following these kind of stories, because they can be so negitive. Like sucking the energy out of you. I simply tell him to bug off, I learn alot and the more people who are involved could break the case or get the “higher-ups” involved in something that’s NOT right. Bottom line is, when a someones missing and the FAMILIES can’t get anywhere, they really need you guys, BIGTIME! They are so hurt and helpless in the stage of
grieving. If people don’t stick together and help….WHO will? I found blinkoncrime and scaredmonkey’s when the Sandra Cantu girl went missing, and I was shocked, but even if I learn something for each case, it makes me more aware. You guys have are doing an awesome job and I COMMEND you for this.
Sending positive vibes your way!!! xoxoxo
Aaaw, ty, it is very important victims have a voice- what if it were your child (general) God Forbid.
B
Hey Tina,
This is the earlier post I was talking about RE: this case. To me, “you popped a chick” meant “you shot a girl”.
Comment by Ocoee*44*Mane — June 12, 2009 @ 4:05 pm
Yo Yo-
Ocoee Bizich-
You Lyin yo sack off mofo. You know waz up. Paul is a snizitch.
Been one since 98 when yaz all broke in dat house masks n shit.
He is a SNIZITCH and yo biz is about to be closed cuz you z waz figtin ova a bizitch. DAWG.
Yo aint no greasy pig on dis thang Pauly, you popped a chizic.
Yo keep da heat out hee or els yo boyz gon take care a y’all Ocee styl
Giv it up dawg
So true, Blink.
Ahhh, mjh…I guess it takes me a while to try to read all that Bizzle McSizzle, LOL! I forgot all about that post.
What a total mess, dis crew b goin down.
I did a search on Ocoee*44*Mane. This is a link to a My Space page that came up. http://www.myspace.com/jrmike16
He’s from Ocoee. Interesting isn’t it?
It might have just pulled up because of the word Ocoee.
Here’s another one…
http://www.myspace.com/iizwellhung
Re #209 - I forgot about that post - bingo. Again, why aren’t these people being investigated?
They look like little punks to me but what do I know. Danger comes in all shapes and sizes I guess
It is amazing to hear that a 911 is not investigated at all! It is criminal in the part of LE not to try and make contact, in person or by phone. Suppose someone is having a heart attack and passes out? I am glad I don’t live in Ocoee. I read in another sleuth site, that there is an 81 congressman who’s last name is also Hutto. has anyone heard of this? Sunday, I think you are great. You dugged out another rat from this infested drug clan. More amazing is that it took so many guys pluse the lure of deceivement to over take Tracy. I know that she fought until the end. We need to find her body.
The congressman or politician is 81 years old.
this is exactly why i have been reading and not saying, but enough is enough. i live in pa - and if those idiot officers want to try and demean me than let them go at it - at this point i don’t care what they say - i knew that they slacked from the get - go. what those southern sloathing cops need to do is come up here and watch REAL COPS AT WORK, NOT SLACKERS. the state police run very well up here, they solved a case where a 17 yr old girl was attacked on her way to her bus - IN THE MIDDLE OF THE WOODS!!!! THE GUY CAME UP BEHIND HER AND THEY GOT HIM NOT MORE THAN TWO WEEKS LATER!!!! AND IT RAINED FOR PEETS SAKE!!! i am going to sit here as a family member of police up here, tracys cousins and mine, and talk about how LAZY AND SELFISH those cops are that you have down there. i have kept my mouth shut for my families sake but come on, really????? if any cops read this, and want to make a difference, to PROTECT AND TO SERVE! then forget about what your department wants, and do what you swore UNDER GOD to do - help us , i know there are some good cops down there - and you have our support. our words mean more than your co workers at this point - MAKE A NAME FOR YOURSELF - your supposed to be the people that help us when we don’t know how to make it work under laws. TO ALL OF THE POLICE DOWN THERE IN FLORIDA - IF YOU WANT TO BE THE BEST, HOLD TO YOUR OATH, IF YOU WANT TO BE PETS TO YOUR DEPARTMENT, THAN STAY OUT OF IT. we, THE OCASIOS, can’t take anymore of the bickering down there. if you don’t handle it - listen, i can’t keep all of my family in line, as the oldest ones, we have tried. but it is going to become a serious mess - i speak for most of my family when i say we want true justice, but we have a few loose wires that are bent on making justice for us. do your jobs, and we will try our best to keep every family member in check - your running out of time guys - work together please!!
comment #205, thank you im in cali too and i was going to say anytime a 911 call(misdial or not) has been made to my knowlodge there has always been a uniformed response.WHAT UP FLORIDA?
Sunday, there is a popular rapper out now named Gucci Mane so this young man using the “Ocoee*44*Mane” isn’t a far stretch for him. IMO this is just coinkidink. I don’t think he’d be runnin wit Hat and his crew.
re #211 I did a search on Ocoee*44*Mane. This is a link to a My Space page that came up. http://www.myspace.com/jrmike16
The profile is set to private but you can view the mood and status updates and they’re written just like the June 12th post, could definitely be the same person.
I don’t think so either MelissaB. What scares me is they represent our future generation. Yikes!
Are there any plans for future searches?
what are the fl.laws regarding dna keeping of convicts? which of these have their dna on file? calilady and steph,i feel for you guys and mr. ocasio,i prayed and cried for ya’ll during the michael jackson memorial,these guys seem too criminal minded and to rugged to leave a dna’d body findable,not to stop looking,as i am sure they left something crucial,or tracy did ,i agree she fought,if the body’s not found,they can still be got ,layering charges,plea bargins,if they produce jen.k and tracy.somehow the truth will emerge.are cadaver dogs also scent dogs,they needed to pick up her traces.
All convicted felons have to submit their DNA in FL. They even go back and get DNA from previously convited inmates before releasing if jailed before law went into effect. Some slip through but they are trying.
Yes, however, Hataway gave his voluntarily, they did not have it. Important distinction in my mind
B
convited=convicted, sorry
Re: Post #206 from Calilady:
That could well have been my post over at Scared Monkeys regarding former FL congressman Earl Hutto, trying to determine if he was related to Paul/Jeremiah Hutto. Thus far, I have not found a link - but I do not have the resources to do the “deep digging” that some sleuths do (over at SM there seem to be many with ‘connections’). Would still be interested to know for certain . . . but the fact that our dear Blink has not responded to this thought tells me it must not be a valid connection to this case . . .
The post referred to @ Scared Monkeys 07/07:
“Trying to figure out what the higher-up connection is with the Huttos . . . where the power or money lie that is the shield covering these guys.
Could they perhaps be related to Earl Dewitt Hutto, 82, former U.S. Representative from Florida?
From what I have found so far, this man is highly respected with a long and decorous record of service - and a plethora of connections. I don’t want to start throwing stuff out there about him if he is not actually related . . .
Tams, I do not believe so, but can someone task this out please?
B
So sorry - that was referring to Post # 216, NOT #206 . . .
Will there be any more searches ? I live in the area and would like to help….
I might be stating the obvious here but IMO it’s fairly obvious that JH seems to the be scapegoat in this case. Not saying that he has led a completely innocent life but really…being the last to leave with Tracy, the car close to his house, the pings on the phone, other missing people. It’s a big arrow pointing at him, but did he think he was so untouchable as to leave such condemning evidence and the police would ignore it. He would have covered up a little better I would assume. Maybe the police figured if they have him in custody someone like Blink wouldn’t dig any deeper.
There is no doubt in my mind that is the case. As I have stated time again. Not a nice guy, however, in the Rachel Clark case, BOTH were covered in scratches and bruises. Jimmy is a strong dude of some size, Rachel is petite as was Tracy. Jimmy did not have a scratch on him the day Tracy disappeared, nothing. I have no doubt if there were any similarities between the incidents, she would have fought.
B
Seems like LE knows the local group pretty well…I hope they make an arrest soon. Meanwhile… who is looking for Tracy?
Can anyone tell me if Woodlawn Cemetery was searched?
Isnt that in OC?
B
Woodlawn Memorial Cemetery is along the potential route Tracy took from the Tap towards JVH’s house in Ocoee….
Woodlawn Memorial Park
400 Woodlawn Cemetary Rd
Gotha, FL 34734-5013
(407) 298-2932
EARL DEWITT HUTTO is from Alabama. He was a US Rep (D)representing Fl from 1979-1994. He lives in Panama City. From there to Ocoee is about 365 miles. He served in the Navy from 1944-46. He was affiliated with some Baptist organizations and apparently was proud of his religion. He chose not to run for re-election in 1994 and was replaced by Joe Scarborough (sp?) of Morning Joe on MSNBC.
Sorry Blink, I don’t know if they are related. I am the poster child for the national foundation of the geneaology impaired.
ROTFL Red- I know, but your the Poster Child for alot of Cool stuff, too.
B
Yes it appears in be in Gotha, Orange County.
Woodlawn Memorial Park - Orlando
400 Woodlawn Cemetery Rd.
Orlando, FL 34734
407-293-1361
Do we know why the question was posed in the first place?
B
Just a really weird factoid to throw out there…Hutto ousted my Uncle (District 5) for State Rep. the firs year he ran. Small world huh? And yeah it’s the “Good ole boy” system here in some parts of FL, just like anywhere else.
Looks like there are 3. One downtown Orlando, Gotha and Orange City
I had a little time today so I took a drive along the potential route and through the Woodlawn Park…. It doesn’t have as much potential in person as it does on the map. It’s pretty wide open, well kept and lit. However the road does loop past a pond and gets fairly close to the water in a well hidden spot. Of course that would mean he killed her before they got to Ocoee, which is contrary to what I think most folks beleive, that she took him straight to his house and found trouble after getting there.
I’m no expert, but considering JVH’s interest in Goth and Vampires, as it’s been told, death is ritualistic for them. Secluded Cemeteries can become late night hangouts for them. Perhaps JVH planned to kill her in advance, and buried her with other victims, where he can continue to visit them. Thats assuming JVH is a serial killer, albeit a sloppy one….
Voodoo aside, the most likely scenario, after digesting several weeks of posts seems to point to an ambush. Tracy leaves with Jimmy to pick up weed at his place. Her energy is high, she takes long strides towards the door and motions to him…’Let’s go’. He’s seen mulling about, hands in his pockets, Mr Low Key… and follows her out to the car. They head straight to his place. He tells her to go straight, past Lyle, not to park in front of his house. It’s a tiny one way and they may wake neighbors. They walk to his place, she takes her phone and keys with her. They get inside and he tells he he doesn’t have enough to sell her but can get some nearby. He calls the Huttos to tell them she’s there. They come pick her up and take her over to Wyoming. She takes her keys but leaves her phone….She doesn’t come back. JVH makes the call at 4:30? Does he get to collect the payoff for the set up before he realizes how much evidence there is against him? Seems Hutto played him like a fiddle…IMHO
Hataway is an acomplise to murder. He know what was coming down. He is as guilty as sin.
I meant to say “he new”. His first words out of his mouth when he was arrested to the cops, were ” guess is gonna be hard to get chicks now”. He also gave the finger to the media. The teflon boys gave him the assurance that he wasn’t going to spend too long in the pen, and then comes the attack on the other female (rather not say her name) He was not counting on that one.
Yes Calilady, I agree. It’s 1st degree murder…. and the added charges the other woman brought against him must have come as quite a surprise. I think I read on Blink that JVH commented that he was surprised he had gotten away with it, meaning the attack in Casselberry. Do you think this same group are the ones responsible for the Keese disappearance too?
Does anyone know the exact location of the cell phone tower Tracy’s phone pinged off of?
This is a link to a map with all the cell phone towers. If it is correct, there is a tower pretty close to Hataway’s house. I’m not sure if this link will work, though.
http://maps.google.com/maps/ms?ie=UTF8&hl=en&msa=0&msid=104911739131657185086.00046ca500eb1ac9ed26e&ll=28.573216,-81.531601&spn=0.077186,0.105228&z=13
Looking at this map, I just realized, New Victor Rd (the Ocasio’s house)runs right through the middle of Cullen’s Ct. Did they hear any shots that night? Did somebody follow Tracy home? Or, was she supposed to meet someone at her house later?
http://maps.google.com/maps/ms?ie=UTF8&hl=en&msa=0&msid=104911739131657185086.00046ca500eb1ac9ed26e&ll=28.551354,-81.467743&spn=0.318459,0.441513&z=11
This map shows the towers… it was .21 from the JVH home.
“In addition we have no clues about the where abouts of her phone and keys. However we have phone records placing the phone in the area until 8:30 AM. The phone tower records placed the phone .21 miles from the tower which ironically is also .20 miles from Jim Hataways house. Right after my wife called her phone at 8:30 AM whomever had the phone either turned it off and or disposed of it. We know it’s not there as we’ve searched the area many, many times. This obviously indicates someone knows about her phone.” From tracyocasio.com
You know…after having accurately predicting the snake that killed that girl down in your state a couple of months before it happened (http://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message723857/pg76), the winner of the Kentucky derby before it happened, and about a dozen other things, I’d have thought someone might have actually at least wanted to halfway bother with going to take a look and prove me wrong if nothing else…but I didn’t expect to have the thread deleted. *grin*
I imagine you’ll delete this one too…but if you wouldn’t mind telling mjh to come look, maybe he can pass on the info about Nolan Rd…which was what originally came thru. Good day to you.
Firefly- I mean no disrespect, but you need to understand something. In my work it is the general consensus that there may be 5 psychics in the world that have the strength of thier gift that I would ever, ever pass on a tip from. That is not say sometimes through impressions there arent clues that are investigative tools. I am aware of M A N Y charlatans that have approached Mr. Ocasio as well as other associates of Tracy and it is for that exact reason I am more comfortable NOT passing on such tips. Nothing personal, just necessary.
B
Wow, Marilyn. Talk about detail. That’s great. Now if I can just figure out how to understand it. I was wondering if the Hutto’s location uses the same cell phone tower. I’ll have to study it more when I get home from work.
Yes, it’s an awesome Google map created by “Bond”. You can see Toole’s house just falls at the edge, but the Hutto house on Wyoming is outside the radius…
If you peeps who have tracy or know where she is and don’t give her back mark my words God’s gona get you. Screw the darn law enforcement you can escape their wrath and sadly probably wil but you will and can never escape God’s wrath rather you mofo’s believe in Him or not its a fact. No evil deed goes unpunished all the same if somebody decides to bite the bullet and come clean no good deed goes unnoticed.
I’ll be going to Florida soon and I’m not afraid of any of you that are involved you mark my words I fear no evil above all I fear no death so if one of you should figure out who I am when I get there screw it I could care less. One way or another the truth will come out because God always sees to it.
If there’s any law enforcement involved with tracy’s disapearance may God have mercy on you because if you are caught I hope they fry you like an egg. If this all some sick twisted game with tracy’s ass in the middle ya’ll some sorry *ss mofo’s and I don’t know who you are but God does and He sees He listens He knows your every action thought and word. Lol God’s justice surpasses anyone else’s in this sorry world thats for sure. God works in mysterious ways just like ya’ll are making a mystery game outa this crap with tracy in the middle.
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But ya’ll feel me I’m not afraid of any of you when I hit Ocoee and run one of you I’m gona laugh in your face because I’m in God’s hands and never in anyone else’s.
God’s wrath in guaranteed. His wrath will come. Or ya’ll can do the right thing if your smart and respect God’s natural awesome powerful justice
I didn’t know where to put this and it may not be appropriate at all, but, a Stacy Pattillo was arrested for running a meth lab out of a garage on his property. He only lives 4.95 miles from the Hutto’s. The article states that he’s been arrested before and was on house arrest but I can’t find any info on him in the Florida Corrections website. I was just wondering if anyone has seen his name come up on any of the Hutto and friends MySpace pages.
http://tinyurl.com/md9wen
Stacy has a battery, a home invasion burglary w/aggravated assault, resisting arrest, felony posession, petit theft, aggravated assault w/ a deadly weapon, and a few civil cases. Another Rhodes scholar makes the news.
Yes Marilyne, I believe Jenifer Kesse’s disapearance is too similar, to be a coincidence. Both hang-out at the TapRoom, as well Jenifer attending the gym next door to the TapRoom. Also Tool and Hataway worked as trainers at the condominum complex, where Ms.Kesse lived. It definitely sounds similar.
I just went into the Seminole County Corrections site to search Hataway and it’s giving me this message…..”A current inmate with the information you entered could not be found. This system only has information on inmates currently housed in the Seminole County Jail. You may also try your search using a different identifier.”
I know he was on the site a few days ago. Anyone have any idea what happened or maybe the site not’s working properly.
Sunday,
Blink mentioned on another Tracy article “BTW, he was moved to Orange County Jail, does that tell anyone anything??
B”
i just got done reading it, I dont remember what the conditions were, but after he was done at Seminole didnt he have a hold on him for Orange Co? Now why, or what it means….well its early and my brain doesnt work that hard yet… Anyone got any insight??
It appears as though he was moved for the arraignment on the paraphanalia charge, however, it is very odd. They have him attending his arraignment at midnight on 7/14/09, AND 7/16/09 0800 on the Orange County site.
B
That is odd. When his info was on the Seminole Corrctions site it listed the Orange Co charges and if I remember correctly, it said “borrowed.” I don’t know what that means though. The 14th was yesterday and there’s no news in the media. What kind of shinanigans is gonig on?
Just read the article. What a poor piece of journalism that was. Guess all their proof readers were laid off.
I was glad to see that Ocoee Police are still actively searching.
“The Ocoee Police Department searched a large area behind the Kangaroo convenience store in the 400 block of Franklin Street. (On Wed 7/15)
Officials said they searched the area because it is close to where Ocasio’s cell phone last received calls.”
http://www.cfnews13.com/News/Local/2009/7/15/new_search_conducted_in_ocasio_case.html
Ocoee Le searching, well what a concept. Maybe is because the heat is coming down on them?
Is this the first time they’ve searched that area??? Wouldn’t common sense dictate that this should have been one of the first area’s they
searched. Good Lord….it’s the Keystone Cops
Orange County Incarcerations
Name & Personal Information
——————————————————————————–
HATAWAY, JAMES VIRGIL
Booking Number: 09025945
Race: White
Gender: Male
Date of Birth: 11/21/1980
Last Known Address: 147 Lyle St, Ocoee, Fl 34761
Cell: MPOD-E
Date Booked: 06/01/2009
Time Booked: 10:51pm
Number of Holds: OUT OF COUNTY - BURG W/BAT,ROBBERY, AGG BAT - 092737CFA - PER TTY FROM SEMINOLE COUNTY - SEMINOLE CO. - 250000
undisclosed - 001
Notes: None
Charges
Case Sequence: 061
Case Status: Presentenced
#Bond Amount: 0.00
Police Case Number: n/a
Court Location: CIRCUIT
Arresting Agency: n/a
Charge/Court Case Number: Criminal Mischief (>$1000)
482009CF005732O
Note: Bond Revoked Judge Higbee
Case Sequence: 925
Case Status: Presentenced
#Bond Amount: 500.00
Police Case Number: n/a
Court Location: CC3 - OCOEE
Arresting Agency: Ocoee Pd
Charge/Court Case Number: Possession Of Drug Paraphernalia
482009MM746W
The Ocoee Police Department is like the Police Department from the “Duke of Hazard.” They couldn’t find an elephant in a convience store and are as corrupt as they come.
Check out the article someone posted regarding a 2007 harassment case that led to the complaining officer being fired and her husband killing himself.
They have had three police chiefs in the past three years. The last two were fired. The last one harrassed and tazed other officers and then abused drugs. It’s a good ol boy world where they help keep everyone’s secrets. If you don’t play along you are fired. The last chief would have kept his job if it wasn’t for the press.
They are currently trying to pay for their new multi-million dollar police station by handing out tickets to everyone they can find.
I’m embarrased to say I live here in Ocoee.
Yeesh.
B
I posted a letter to the Mayor of Ocoee of my concern about the sad state of affairs in the Ocoee police department, and he forwarded to someone else, instead of replying to me. I was told to ease-off about the whole ocoee police department. However, when I contacted higher offices that deal with “problems”, who’s telephone numbers where given to me by the Attorney Generals Office, I was told that this office in particular knew that many bad things where happening within the ocoee polie department. I was encourage to go contact the orange County Sheriffs Office. I haven’t, because I got in trouble for caring too much.
any new news??? been waiting here patiently…..
Me too! I’m still out of state for the next week and this site is my best source of updates. Don’t worry, we still love you Blink and team.
Breaking news. possible human remains found my be linked to Tracy Ocasio Channel 9 on location
Not human reported by channel 35 FOX Orlando
update from today, boot found in woods may be Tracy’s
http://www.wftv.com/news/20578666/detail.html