Caylee/Casey Anthony Case: Mark Nejame Fires Back at Baez for TES
Remains Site WAS UNDER WATER
Orlando, FL-Mark Nejame, counsel for Texas Equusearch, released this statement this afternoon:
Mark NeJame, counsel for Texas Equusearch (TES), is holding a press conference today at 2:00pm EST in our office, 189 S. Orange Avenue, Suite 1800, Orlando, FL 32801.
To further explain the attached letter sent to the Office of the State Attorney and to Counsel for Casey Anthony.
This establishes that the area where Caylee’s remains were found was indeed submerged in water a month prior to the discovery of her remains.
The actual photographs will be displayed and explained at the press conference.
Mr. NeJame represents Tim Miller and TES, who have provided the aerial photographs to him which were recently located.
This seems to clearly contradict any claims that the area was dry previous to Caylee’s discovery and the likelihood that Caylee was later brought to that location. 
In Addition, Mr. NeJame has attached Mr. Miller’s and TES’s response to the defendant’s, Casey Anthony, request for discovery of the searcher’s and Mr. Miller being designated as a material witness in this case.
The Response to Jose Baez Motion:
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Good for M najeme and T Miller.I m loving that the “good people in this tragic story are taking a stand against baez (and the anthony’s) giving them the legal finger if you know what I mean. Expose those people on national tv, excellent!
“DITTO”
Go Sir NeJame!!! (white knight variety…
Tim MIller does NOT need this personally, nor does TES need the problems that the Anthony’s and their ‘lawyer’ bring as it works against the advocacy, needs and help for families of real ‘MISSING children’.
bozo
is such an inept clown! this makes him look like the fool that he is! he isnt dealing with an amateur mark nejame is skilled and has alot of experience with these kind of issues. to think that baez even attempts to ruffle everyones feathers that tried to look for caylee is horrible.
LOL. Boo, that is great.
“giving them the legal finger”.
Amen to that & TY Blink for the article.
God speed to the “good guys” in this tragedy….
Unbelievable. Tim Miller was notified by Cindy to help find her granddaughter, the sherrif’s dept. gives a donation of $5,000.00 to help for fuel, etc. and now Baez is asking for the impossible. Way to go guys. Hope the judge will throw this motion out. The amount of time and cost is ridiculous. Glad Mr. Nejames put this out there.
The A’s do not care who they destroy in covering for their daughter and good caring people are having to hire lawyers and have their reputations smeared by these sick people.
Blink, will there be a video of the news conference, and if so, can you please provide a link here?? That would be great to have that ‘on’ the record for Tim right here.
So much are the sideline lawyers able to do to advance the case for the state as an unintentional benefit– explaining the ‘water’ and conditions now vs letting the Baez story spin for another year, is a big boost. (duh– Baez)
Is the press conference today or tomorrow (Friday). Local news websites are saying Friday at 2:00pm. Or is there one today and one tomorrow?
Mark Nejame is an upstanding and honorable attorney who ended his relationship with George and Cindy Anthony when he could no longer support them. In a case that seems to have attracted nothing but crooks and con artists Mark stands as one of a few that weren’t seduced by fast fame for all the wrong reasons. WO-HOO Mark!!!
sosad, good question– WESH has a ‘live link’ for the conference, it deadends (but could be over), then the same station says ‘Friday’. Go figure– I’ll wait for Blink– I’m sure she has it right– WHY on earth would it be Friday???!?! Duh– apparently those same MSM says the photos ‘were handed over’ to the state. Why hold the news conference AFTER the hearing tomorrow? Better today– seems to make sense it’s as Blink reports, TODAY.
Video from Mark Lejame…
http://www.wesh.com/video/20479232/index.html
It’s two different events.
Today at 2:00 for Mark Nejame’s announcement and tomorrow morning at 9:30 Judge Strickland will deal with four motions.
I’m really glad that Mark Nejame’s went to bat for Tim Miller. These are both good and honorable men and the work that they do is inspiring. Baez will look like a fool tomorrow and I’m afraid to say that pleases me. Is this what we have to look forward to with all the motions that Lyons said would be coming out in September?
Apparently George & Conway interuppted Mr. Nejame’s conference.
Read please.
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/breakingnews/orl-bk-casey-anthony-082009,0,1115498.story
Here’s why the press conference link isn’t working, at least not right now. George apparently barged in and made a scene. When will they ever learn?
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/breakingnews/orl-bk-casey-anthony-082009,0,1115498.story
yes, Bees, but WESH says Friday at 2 pm for NeJame’s newsconference and they post a ‘link’ for the LIVE conference, which appears to be current– maybe plans changed.
Judge Stan will be busy tomorrow, you see the defense ADDED a new motion, all 90 pages of it, demanding more info from the FBI, it’s specialists etc etc.
Last minute though– maybe Strickland will deal with that on a separate date depending if he has time to read that and consider it– however, I’m sure the state will want to write it’s response to that 90 page motion BEFORE he does rule. (sort of annoying to the state to have to prepare for that now, on top of other motions already on the docket)
Ah, that Mark NeJame, the man that ‘throws the prose’….Beautifully argued motion, nicely done, Mark.
I accept TES’ assertion that the area was flooded, but I personally could not tell that by the photos. Perhaps I was looking in the wrong spot.
I don’t see the water
And, Georgetta interrupts the news conference…….WTH???
Wow, Baez and co. are really throwing it out there. Does the FBI have to release all these documents to the defense. I thought under the Sunshine Law, they didn’t have to until trial. Maybe I read it wrong.
Not the first time. lol.
Joan (Canada)…… the way I understood it is that Judge Strickland has no authority over the FBI …… the judge is a state representative and the FBI is federal. Not governed by the Sunshine Laws at all. I personally think that’s why some of the evidence is still be kept in the FBI labs. Because once the FBI turns the evidence over it then becomes governed by the Sunshine Laws! Maybe I am misunderstanding too….. Can any of you legal eagles out there help us with this?
wsh– leave litter cover, plus all the plant canopy blocking view too
#19 are you saying GA stopped the news conferance. I can’t get the video to play. Help me.
BLINK,
I’m totally confused. I could just SWEAR that this will be the 3rd time Baez has put forth a motion about the F.B.I. and each time Judge Strickland tells him that he cannot enforce anything towards the federal part of the investigation. I clearly remember the other 3 times that Baez has asked, I recall the Judge saying that as far as the F.B.I. goes, he’s out of luck. Is that wrong??? Did I hear wrong all the other times? If I’m not wrong, then why in the world would Baez continue to waste the Judge’s time with motions he KNOWS cannot be handled through the courts he’s been going through???
As for George barging in on Nejame. I’ll say a couple of things. I know without a doubt that regardless of what George’s reasons were, I don’t have to worry AT ALL. I know without being there that Mr. Nejame handled that situation professionally, and even with some compassion towards George. I’m thrilled beyond words that TES has Nejame as their attorney. He did the right thing from the beginning and continues to do so to this day. Good for him. You can pass along a message to Mr. Nejame for me.
I’ve had to inform my husband today that there is another man in my life, at least through this trial. Ha!!
I “”HEART”" Mark Nejame!!!
cindee, who knows where the #19 post came from– no source given.
WESH can’t get it’s Friday’s from it’s TODAY’S straight–
http://www.wesh.com/news/20478568/detail.html One sentence they say FRIDAY newsconference and in another sentence, say the news conferenced already happened this afternoon!!
(their editor must be on holiday!!! lol– )
Quote from article updated TODAY, 3:16 pm August 20, 2009 (ie TODAY!)
“Miller’s attorney, Mark NeJame, held a press conference on Friday afternoon regarding the photos. NeJame’s office said the photographs establish that the area where Caylee’s remains were found was submerged in water a month prior to the discovery….”
Duh– it’s not Friday today, WESH people!!!! geeze… msm….
How can GA stop the news conference…come on now enough is enough from the Anthony’s why does anyone enable them? someone put a muzzle on these folks PLEASE….
cindee– Granmomma was right!!! Yes– whoa– here’s the link to support–George did interrupt the news conference.
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/breakingnews/orl-bk-casey-anthony-082009,0,1115498.story
Could this be WHY the live coverage or video coverage has NOT been shown???
#23 - Orlando Sentinel is reporting that George Anthony barges into news conference and demands to speak to Nejame. Those people will NEVER learn. It’s no wonder Crazy is the way she is…..she’s got messed up parents too!
Looks like the interruption might be the cause:
quoting Orlando sentinel from above link:
“Casey Anthony’s father barged into a news conference today and demanded to speak with an attorney who represents a volunteer search group.
George Anthony and his attorney, Brad Conway, are talking with attorney Mark NeJame behind closed doors.”
WTH– GEORGE said that he never went down there??!?!! I bet he’s objecting to NeJame acting on behalf of the ‘opposition’ (ie TES) because NeJame worked for he and Cindy.
Now, WHERE would George have learned about this news conference first?? Here maybe??!
#23 - I never got the video started either but the time updated on the OS story is 12:54 p.m. - the news conference was supposed to be at 2:00. So apparently George arrived early to show his A$$!
#21 Thanks for the info. Hopefully someone from Florida will be able to enlighten us.
#23 I have tried the video also and saw it previously but stopped halfway through because video was not clear and hard to understand.
Maybe George broke it.
Casey Anthony’s father barged into a news conference today and demanded to speak with an attorney who represents a volunteer search group.
George Anthony and his attorney, Brad Conway, are talking with attorney Mark NeJame behind closed doors.
Wow….To be a fly on the wall. What is George worried about??? This case just never gets boring.
# 21 that’s true Granmomma, but they are asking for communication between the FBI and local Fl investigators, which means that the documents, such as emails, would be in the state’s possession, unless the state can argue that not all testing is done and the correspondence relates to an active investigation, but I don’t think so.
# 22 Thanks Kleat, I thought I was being idiotic again.
ok, WESH has the video story up now– parts of the news conference shown, with more photos apparently, posted or to be posted. Keeling said nothing about George and the interruption.
Thanks westsideh for the info. I thought they had gone to court for this before and the judge said no.
So many twists and turns in this case.
Originally, the link that I posted on the last thread stated (paraphrase)
NeJame to reveal what he knows about the Casey Anthony case. (It has since changed) It was vague, but maybe that set George off, not wanting NeJame to divulge secrets, although he couldn’t have anyway, with the attorney-client privilege. George rushing in there simply makes Casey look guiltier.
Guys, the story in the Orlando Sentinel has been updated at 4:25 p.m……It looks like Bozo is trying to sabotage the grandparents to me and make them look like total baffoons! A phone call from Bozo prompted George to act like the A$$ he did!
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/breakingnews/orl-bk-casey-anthony-082009,0,1115498.story
….About 30 minutes later, the three emerged, appearing calm.George Anthony said he received a call from his daughter’s defense attorney, Jose Baez, about the press conference and photos of the wooded area back in November - a month before the remains were found.
There was a misunderstanding and everything had been resolved, Anthony said.
Neither Anthony nor NeJame would say would the misunderstanding was about.
Lol, see, I told you they read here..
B
Sorry Kleat and all………I didn’t post the link….but here goes: http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/breakingnews/orl-bk-casey-anthony-082009,0,1115498.story
I found the original wording about the press conferance on scaredmonkeys. This is why George and Baez were in a tailspin, I suppose
NeJame, Miller To Reveal All In Anthony Case
Thursday, August 20, 2009 11:02:19 AM
Reported ByJacqueline Fell
ORLANDO — The former attorney for the Anthony family is revealing more about what he knows in the Casey Anthony case.
Attorney Mark NeJame will hold a press conference at his office Thursday at 2 p.m.
#32 - Thanks…..I understand now
I’ve never posted here before. I’ve been reading your posts for the past two days. You guys are great! Thanks for all your hard work and dedication that helps all of us who don’t have the time or the smarts to do it. Blink.. you’re amazing.
Why are the A’s able to get away with the stuff that they do? For example, barging into a news conference.
from the Orlando Sentinel…
“Jose Baez’s spokeswoman, Marti Mackenzie, said the defense team did contact George Anthony and his attorney about the news conference.
He and the defense team felt the press conference and the release of the photos were improper,” she said. The Anthonys may want to let their opinion be known, she said.”
I thought this whole case was the State of Florida vs Casey Marie Anthony … NOT the whole freaking A family!! I wish someone would muzzle them until after the trial — if there is one.
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MARKS ON TALKING TO HLN AND IT APPEARS THAT CASEYS LAWYER GAVE SOME WRONG INFO TO GEORGE AND HE WAS CONFUSED AND ANGRY
BOZO IS A TROUBLE MAKER!!
conference…I hate when I spell obvious words incorrectly
Sheesh, come on and confess already!
this email was from Mark to me regarding why he withdrew from the anthonys as their lawyer. I only put part of the email here that may be of interest to you all.
Thank you for your very kind and thoughtful words. They are very much appreciated.
The entire Anthony case is such a tragedy on so many levels. In some ways the death of this innocent little girl has caused her to be forgotten with all off the surrounding drama and theatrics. On the other hand though, Caylee is kept alive in the public’s mind by these same distractions. It’s all such a tragedy.
I withdrew from the case because I felt it was the best and right thing to do. Although I have sympathy for George and Cindy for the loss of Caylee, I refused to be a part of anything that would assist Casey.
All I can add is … the more the elder Anthonys show their behinds in public, the stronger Lyon’s case conceivably grows for saving Casey from the death penalty. Stated another way … George and Cindy could potentially be introduced as Mr. and Mrs. Mitigating Circumstance in the penalty phase when it comes time for Ms. Lyon to explain to the jury why Casey became who she is.
I WANT to see the documents! At least the correspondence between the police and TES/Tim Miller. I don’t get all the high fives and yahoos. Tim is a business man, whether TES is a non for profit organization or not, the rules should still apply.
I agree if they are relevant, no prob, it is far too broad now.
B
Isn’t there some legal line drawn in the sand somewhere between Team Conway and Team Baez? Team Baez alerts Team Conway about a possible improper press conference in hopes Team Conway will put a stop to it? And George worried about Nejame divulging secrets? Is Team Conway privy to those most precious secrets? And George did seem to come in on cue….maybe more effective if Cindy had made the same entrance? IMO
george was called because the defense team felt the press conference and the release of the photos were improper,” she said. The Anthonys may want to let their opinion be known, she said.
george was called because the defense team felt the press conference and the release of the photos were improper,” she said. The Anthonys may want to let their opinion be known, she said.
I agree with you blink! that the anthonys and the defense come here to snoop to see what is being said because they know that there are some pretty smart posters here and the info here is pretty acurate!
they know about this site blink and how well you make sure that people give facts with comments. god bless u miss B
loca yes— I was just going to paste that here– so Q is, was the ‘misunderstanding’ between Baez and George to cause George to barge in and rudely interrupt the news conference because he was told by Baez that this news conference was improper?
“Jose Baez’s spokeswoman, Marti Mackenzie, said the defense team did contact George Anthony and his attorney about the news conference.
“He and the defense team felt the press conference and the release of the photos were improper,” she said. The Anthonys may want to let their opinion be known, she said.
Sounds like Baez was the one who ‘misunderstood’ or didn’t ‘misunderstand anything’ and sic’d poor George on M. NeJ. George surely DID let his opinions be known– but WHY would Baez call George– in Canada that would be HIGHLY IMPROPER and worthy itself, of a complaint to the Bar Assn.
More properly (IMH and layperson’s Opinion), Baez should have called the ATTORNEY for George and Cindy who would then, in turn ADVISE his client and if necessary, INSTRUCT his client how to proceed, with THE ATTORNEY calling Mr. NeJame for a meeting.
Baez’s actions could come back to bite him if he attacks the parents in the defense strategy, as he should NOT contact persons who are REPRESENTED by a lawyer. That’s CONWAY’S job. Baez has no respect for his collegues, seems to me, IMHLO.
A note about the photos– I’m going to make a leap here, to suggest what resolution we have in these copies, is much lower than the originals, especially in raw image form. The original photographs should have very high detail in the foliage and show it was wet.
With the new hurricane season upon the area, those conditions could be replicated in the nearby area, so people can see how much visibility (blue sky reflection) could even be possible in that swamp.
“NeJame said the pictures is to counter some people’s reports that the area was dry at the time.
“This is to clarify any confusion,” he said. “The pictures are important for everybody for justice, for seeking the truth.”
Where does the ‘it was dry’ theory come from, at least whose benefit is it, to perpetuate a falsehood about the area? Caseys benefit. So guess where most likely those falsehoods come from?? Baez and team, and family and their cronies.
Midwest MOM #46
The rules do apply.
Requests for documents that are OVERLY BROAD, UNDULY BURDENSOME, VEXATIOUS, HARRASSING– a/k/a MERE FISHING EXPEDITIONS are ROUTINELY DENIED.
If a party cannot appropriately tailor a request, that is the fault of that party/counsel for said party.
This is not a game of hide and seek.
There are rules guiding the discovery process.
Why am I not shocked that GA behaved as he did today.
Sighhhhhhhhhhh.
The Anthonys are incapable of controlling themselves.
Off to Dragon Boat race practice down at Boat House Row.
Stroke, Stroke, Stroke….
Jose is desperate…. another avenue to his faint hope of any Defense disintegrating right b4 his eyes….
What will CA and GA do when the State presents all of the evidence that they have against Casey?
So obvious that they are running scared of the TRUTH.
Wow, I wish Domo would read here what we say and freak.
Honestly, wet or dry, i don’t think it makes a whit of difference. The part of the presser I heard said that Tim didn’t search that part of woods anyway, so isn’t it kind of a moot point?
There is, in addition to the documents posted here, a 2 page letter dated August 20 (today) from Mark Nejame to Linda Drane-Burdock and Jose Baez,
On page two, Mr. NeJame writes:
“Also, out of courtesy for Mr. and Mrs. Anthony, I have copied Mr. Brad Conway.”
So, no need for Baez to call George Anthony and get him worked up about this so-called IMPROPER (to quote Marty McKenzie on behalf of Baez) activity.
Also, to the question of ’seeing’ the water’, there is a little clarification available in Mn’J’s letter:
“Two things are quite notable about these photographs. The first is that they depict water conditions as they existed while the search was conducted. The pictures establish that the water levels were high and that land was submerged. These aerials show that the retention pons were full and that there was standing water throughout the area.”
Mr. NeJame goes on to say ‘The dark patches throughout are water, which is consistent with Tim Miller’s position, as well as that of many others, which has seemingly been challenged.”
I can see a couple of clear ‘black’ patches to which Mr. NeJame seems to be referring, especially in the photograph with most of the helicopter interior showing– third one above and on the right side of the story. Also noticeable are the ‘grey’ trees, seemingly dead? That could indicate regular flooding of the area to cause the die-off of some of the trees in a swamp area (but I don’t know for sure but seems reasonable)
Mr. NeJame says: ‘Hopefully these pictures will clarify the apparent confusion or misunderstanding which some have. When the search was conducted, the areas where Caylee’s remains were found were still in water, which is why the search in that specific place was called off temporarily by Tim Miller. In fact, it appears that he was correct in his assessment to wait until water levels have subsided, which they did by the next month when Caylee was found.”
(oh– I’m typing this out– so may be a typo or two– the source is: http://www.wftv.com/pdf/20480499/detail.html)
Continuing on page 1 of his letter, Mr. NeJame writes:
“The second significant aspect of these photographs is how they depict a green wall of foliage which existed at the time. One could literally be within inches of an item and be blocked due to the thick and massive underbrush and foliage. Again, with the timing of December, there is a natural thinning of the dense growth, allowing for better visuals.”
On page 2:
“I am glad that Mr. Miller and I could assist as we all hopefully are working towards the truth in this most sad situation. There have apparently been some misunderstandings regarding the foliage and water levels and I’m sure this will assist in clarifying the misinformation.”
And after Mr. NeJame advises that he has extended courtesy to Mr. and Mrs. Anthony by providing a copy to Mr. Brad Conway, he says “If you should have any concerns, please feel free to contact my office.”
Well– Mr. Jose Baez certainly did find a unique way to ‘CONTACT’ Mr. NeJame’s office, didn’t he!! By USING George Anthony, getting him riled up and sending him (another lawyer’s client) off to do what he did. Baez knew he would inflame and upset George and set a certain degree of immediacy, perhaps panic, in George’s actions.
Leaves me to wonder exactly what it was that Baez told GA to get him all riled up? What info does NeJames have that the A’s are so desperate to keep from being revealed?
Is this another possible Bar Complaint against Baez?
Does it strike anyone else odd that the title of the response to Baez’s motion is “Response to motion to certify TIMOTHY as a material witness…” (emphasis added). Timothy? Not Timothy Miller? Is that on purpose?
I watched the conference live today and for those of you that do not know….you can view the letter sent to the State and Defense AND Brad Conway, out of courtesy for the Anthonys…
http://cfnews13.com/uploadedFiles/Letter%20ASA%20Baez%20Photos.pdf
Mr. Nejames is a class act. I was able to hear George when he barged in on the presser and demanded Nejames speak with him ….the reporters were asking questions and suddenly there was an interruption…a man said, “I need to speak with you now!”. Mark said one moment, please and the same voice said “No Sir, I need to speak with you right now!”. By this time you all know Jose called George to “stir it up” and thus, my friends you have a prime example of someone regarded as outstanding or elegant in quality or performance (A Class Act = Mr. Nejames) vs. a person who amuses others by tricks, jokes, odd gestures and postures, etc. (A Buffoon = Baez). It was good to see Tim and Mark together as a team. It will be a very interesting couple of hours in the morning when we are able to watch the hearing. I, personally am hoping for a denial of all motions and I hope the State is ready with an answer for the last minute 90 page motion served today…and hopefully that will be denied…just so Jose can truly know what a “clown”….hey pick a word…..blockhead, antagonist, clodhopper, hayseed, lout, mucker, oaf, rube… because it sure isn’t AN ADVOCATE OF TRUTH AND JUSTICE.
And sweet friend, Blink…this is not name calling…it is what it is. I say a prayer daily for God to keep you safe in your investigations…and that he will richly bless you in all your efforts.
Would you like to see the picture of George barging in? Here you go… http://niecey456.wordpress.com/
I so seldom see the word Rube and I giggle every time, thank you PP
B
Oh, sometimes, FEEDS fail…and I have found watching hearings “direct” from the Courtroom of Judge Strickland, without any commentary from media, is more to my liking…if FOX, etc., ever fail you, save this link to your Favorites - http://www.ninthcircuit.org/news/live_broadcast.shtml
B R I L L I A N T.
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I keep seeing skuttle all over the blogs where there was Gaves Wax on the wall in the Anthony’s Garage.
Fact or Fiction???
Thanks for your time.
Fiction. YW
B
baez continues to make a fool of himself to prove how inept he is!! he trips all over himself!! he is no johny cochran or nejame! as a new attorney he is not getting off to a good start. he is becoming the laughing stock of the blogs and media and not to mention all those seasoned attorneys who are probably snickering and making jokes behind his back. he needs to quit while he is still ahead. he hasnt been in practice for to long and it shows biggtime.
I agree with everyone that thinks nejame is a class act truly is man is humble and classy in his presentation!! baez could take some lessons from him.
I’m wondering if Strickland will be having a private chat with Baez tomorrow………….
No such thing- public, or sidebar, but both on the record. This is Conway’s flub, 100%, again.
Who is counsel and who is the Client here? Very, very inappropriate and unprofessional. I was pizzed at the back ache call in, that was colorforms and weebles compared to this. Disappointing.
Baez 1
Conway -2
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wftv’s video report (headlined tonight at their site) is not very flattering about George barging in– and they have some video of his entry, at least you hear it, and George is painted as doing what the Anthony’s do when they don’t like info that’s being released, they create drama and focus attention on themselves and what they want.
can you guys just visualize baez in his office with the door closed pulling his hair and spinning in circles!! trying to figure out what other strategies he can come up with!! he has alread tried to imlicate amy,jesse,zanieda and now tony who is next?
I have seen many incompetent lawyers in my day but I gotta tell ya baez takes the cake. wonder what strickland will tell him tomorrow. baez wants so bad to make a name for himself that he is crossing all unprofessional ethical boundaries.
#63 ProvokingPoirot. I like mucker myself but hayseed will do in a pinch. Thanks for the links.
I’m appalled at the happenings today at the conference. Shouldn’t Baez have called Conway to inform him of whatever impoper things were going on at the press conference. I assume he called George and got him riled up and George took off for the press conference. Cindy must have contacted Conway to meet him there. In the photos I’ve seen Conway looks like a deer caught in the headlights. One more reason to show that Baez is truly an idiot. I somehow think that George is not going to make it to trial. I think he will crack.
Oh, I ‘heart’ Mark NeJame…’heart’…’heart’!!
Does anyone remember that completely elegant,brilliantly faceted statement he issued upon leaving the Anthony team? The term ‘class act’ does not begin to do him justice.
The difference between NeJame and Baez is staggering…It’s the cystallization of the distance between TES and the whole odorous Anthony clan…
#70 Joan (Canada). Egg salad anyone?
Well..I just have to chime in here about today’s aborted press conference due to George’s antics.
If you were ever in doubt about Casey’s team throwing George and Cindy under the bus..today was a pictorial example of how that will work. Baez knew George would rush in, look like a raving idiot with emotional and mental health issues…and that was enough for now.
George was thrown into the Lyon’s den and Baez’ attempt to sabotage the press conference, as well as George’s current mental state. George is a loose cannon now..and everyone has seen his reaction. This was a set up by Baez.
His office all but admitted that. Expect more of the same.
Casey punished George and Cindy by murdering her daughter..now her dream team damages them more by throwing them to the wolves in this case. Talk about setting a person up to look like a fool and an incompetent witness for the state….and the games have only just begun.
And a 90 page motion for info they have already been denied on other occasions because it is not the courts jurisdication….it is Federal.
What that says is Lyons has her students working on these motions..it doesn’t take 90 pages to make a point..and if I were Judge Strickland I would be very upset that they are taking up the courts time reading and answering 90 pages ..when the answer 3 times previous has been no..and that will not change. Talk about drama queens..Lyons should join a Rene Fair and call it a day.
As far as Tim Miller goes..he has much better things to do then this. Talk about a slap in the face. And there is no directive here that says he was working for anyone other then Caylee and finding her. The A’s nor Baez paid him anything. And as far as requesting the court to have the names of all the volunteers turned over to them..we are talking hundreds of people that would be unlikely to volunteer for a search again…as well as many future volunteers on searches he conducts across the country. That would do more harm then good and there is no reason to have volunteers names , etc given out..they did not find Caylee.
And as always a picture tells 1000 words..they couldn’t search the area in Nov when they were there it was under water..and Tim has said that same thing from day one..his story never changed..because he isn’t lying.
DD, agreed as you know, but I think Marti Mackenzie perking up for Baez is making a statement without a statement, if you know what I mean.
B
I think that george and cindy are literaly taxing mr conway! conway is definetely earning his keep with them two!! lee shows more class by staying out of the limelight. cindy is the instigator along with baez george is just the puppet.
Class?
No. Immunity.
B
does anyone know how long baez has been in practice and did I not hear it took him 6 times to pass the bar?? blink???
Not true.
B
I love how classy and compassionate NeJame is with regard to G&C.
On the flip side, I also love how flat dead on Kathi Belich of WFTV is. WFTV can usually be counted on to report the unvarnished truth. She hit the ball outta the park today with her recap of the presser, George’s behavior, and the aftermath of his powwow with NeJame.
Interesting, Blink thanks– re: Baez 1, Conway -2. I was under the impression earlier, that George flew in solo, having spoken with Baez and taking off on his own, and only later Conway joined him– now I see that they barged in together!! You are so right… Conway has been pushing the bar for these clients… literally.
loca, go back to read some of Blink’s articles– I think you will find a lot of info there, IIRC. (links to the left under this case, then select a name)
Why would conway allow it? Did conway know what geo was going to do? And he actually allowed it to go down?
Of all the comments on Baez, comparing Mark Nejume……
I do believe that is why George contacted Mark Nejume in the first place as I do believe he wanted to get Nejume to represent KC and he would not and could not do it. He has stated that fact in public.
As far as Conway, he seems to be a pretty naive player and has compassion but it is going to ruin him I think (maybe not) I think he feels some sort of input from Baez from them working together in the public defenders office years ago.
I just wish Conway would break his ties with the whole bunch of them.
My head is still spinning after all of this time of the people that are allowing themselves to be pulled in by KC? I just dont get it.
It would be a little different if she were to do something or say something to at least make up a story on what happened to Caylee. This is all a modge podge on her part and needless to say KC, You are going on trial for murdering your daughter… the game is done and we are tired of it all…. WHERE IS THE LAWYER FOR CAYLEE? WHO IS STANDING FOR CAYLEE? we are that is who…. we are. I AM!
each msm had it’s own view of today’s Georg-o-rama. I wish they would air what they have– so we know what was said when ‘the tete a tete’ was over in the backroom (1 hr, wasn’t it??).
wdbo has another version of the words spoken– ‘bad information’ from Baez, was what they claim was said: wow– if NeJame actually said ‘bad information’, he must have been somewhat ticked at Mr. Baez for his latest ‘antics’, and why would Conway take Baez’s position without speaking to NeJame himself.
“Anthony demanded NeJame speak with him in another room, and the two were joined by Anthony family attorney Brad Conway as they spoke away from the media.
When NeJame returned, he said Mr. Anthony had been given bad information from Casey Anthony’s attorney Jose Baez.
Mr. Anthony agreed, but they both refused to discuss what the bad information was.”
Mr. Nejame and Mr. Baez are not friends
B
who is client and who is counsel? Well, you can bet Cindy won’t let ‘the boys’ go do her woman’s work, next time! Could Cindy have been pulling the Conway strings once AGAIN? (like the ‘we are NOT going to show up’ for our court date on the frivolous suit so Conway, tell a white-one)
Blink, do you have bets on whether Conway will actually outlast the next ‘Anthony-O-rama drama’, which seems inevitable, after today? (George was absolutely successful! What are we talking about vs the photos and what they represent– we’re doing exactly what George wanted– he manipulated things by his antics, just as he tried every emotion, facial expression, outburst, in the books, during his Mn’M depo, to ‘control the deposition’ (so said Bill Schaeffer in his raw video evaluation of George’s behaviours of his depo on video).
then he comes out and says he just wants to know what happened, he ‘has’ to know what happened (to Caylee)– if he wanted to know the truth, he needs to listen to the truth and not try to bully his way around to knock the truth out of the arena.
I am holding my tongue.
B
cfnews13.com now has a video report, which shows George walking away from NeJame as he holds a door open for him, then George turns back (almost like he’s pacing– wants to tell his story to the media maybe instead?) — then he goes with NeJame. The reporter said she talked to George, and he said he was upset about the ‘timing’. Also she said the meeting was ‘intense’. Timing? Let the version that everything was nice and ‘dry’ stay unchallenged for tomorrow’s hearing on whether to allow all the TES records to be turned over? It’s important for the judge to know that TES did not search that area, and why not.
Also, this report said that Conway joined George in the meeting about 10 minutes in.
Hi,
okay I just got done reading the motion to suppress LP, Rob and Tracy from testifying or making any statements.
I have practiced a little law in my time (lol) and I was REALLY good at contracts and the lingo.
Well are there any other attorneys on this blog that have read Baez motion on saying that Leonard and associates cannot testify as it is breach in attorney/client priveledge? hehe
I have to laugh as Tony, Rob, Leonard and Tracy WERE NOT employed by BAEZ at all whatsover, they ONLY bailed her out and were there at the house protecting their own interest, not his or his clients.
I cannot believe he would even waste the courts time on this..
I am wondering who will be there representing, LP, Tracy, Rob and Tony?
it will be interesting if nothing else is?
It is my understanding the State is handling the motion and plans to argue their objection, it is laughable, I was thinking about sending my 10 year old. But then, he might have a shot, so I reconsidered.
B
OH and just to add (can you tell I am aggravated at this waste of time?)
Does Baez think that he is smarter than all of us that actually read and follow up on facts?
This actually looks like my work in school looked like…hehe
Maybe KC did this in her spare time?
OH I am really agitated tonite over all this…. oh he is so idiotic?
MeThinks Conway knows not what he is in for/what he is already too far behind the curve to catch up on. (And yes, I just ended that fragment of a sentence with a preposition).
Respectfully mon frier, I think the opposite. I think he knows, I think he is treading water, or deserves what he gets.
B
The one point that really sticks out like a sore thumb in MNJ’s response to motion re: subpoena duces tecum, is in paragraph 4, final sentence. (second page in the graphic sets above)
Hitting that point home once AGAIN, not to be lost on Judge Stan as the attorneys from all corners, not just the state, have concerns about the ‘who’s who in the defense funding scheme’.
Quote:
“If this Honorable Court is inclined to grant this deficient application, TES respectfully requests that Defendant provide TES with adequate and sufficient advanced funds in order to gather and provide this information and verification that the advanced funds have come from a permissible source.”
Do we know what is in the 90 page motion? That seems like a lot of pages
Silverspnr- How could it be called a fishing expedition or unduly burdensome? Normally,I would agree with you. however, A child has been murdered and there could be people out there that do creepy things JUST to be part of the search process. PLUS there was a known registered pedophile at the TES Jay blanchard park search!
It would be hypocritical of me to be an advocate of children then say “ya know, lets just close our eyes on this one and let this one go, because we all know the mother did it!” there has been way too much of that since That 911 call. Everyday I am growing increasingly aware that this case is not what it may appear.
Blink I agree with you, I would assume the defense would have some idea on what it is they are questioning and be able to pin it down to reasonable request.
Unfortunately, I do not know how the process works with the search volunteers. I have always thought that when a volunteer finds a body, that they are then utilized in a case for their account of the crime scene, similar to Kronk, but maybe not. IMO it wouldn’t deter people from searching. People who volunteer for a cause are passionate about their purpose, as it should be.
IMO both sides are playing games, never can tell who is antagonizing who, and they are both are equally annoying. A press conference? Couldn’t the “clarification” wait till the trial?
Midwest MOM - I can tell you for sure that I would not volunteer for search missions in very high profile cases if I had one thought that my life and family might be opened up and examined down to the last detail by the press, the attorneys and every blogger with connections and spread all over the media like what has happened to Kronk, and Casey’s former friends. NO WAY.
This is for me also the issue, it is a blow to volunteerism.
B
Are the actions of GA today what we can expect at trial????? I can only imagine the outbursts during the trial when ALL the evidence comes rolling out…
I understand that the Anthony’s are State witnesses, I think that means they won’t be sitting in the court room until “After they testify” is that correct???? will they be allowed sit in to hear all the witnesses after they testify??? How does that work? How long would that last…really no need for Baez, the A’s can throw out all the Objections.
GA is on the edge, I understand his frustration and anguish but actions like these can only hurt his daughter IMO, Could Baez be setting the A’s up to look like clowns to take the focus of his client, one might wonder, Welcome to the Wonderful World of the Amazing Baez, enjoy his smoke and mirror show it is only going to get better. Ringling Bro’s have nothing on this 3 ring circus.
What a nightmare for all the professionals envolved in this, I realy have to give a round of applause to the Prosecution, LE, TES Tim Miller and Mark Nejame and the decent way in which they carry themselves..maybe the A’s and Baez can take note of how to act by these folks…oh and Brad I think you are a nice guy, I think it is time for you to follow suit with Mark Nejame and bail while the gettin’s good….
Got to go!!! gotta get my JuJu Beans and Popcorn and get ready for the show!
what did Brad say in the interview ” it’s going to be a Long Long search for the truth” not so much Brad, everyone all ready knows the truth the Anthony’s need to just try to find away to except it. Sad as it is they need to except it and move forward they are peddling backwards up a steep hill and they aren’t going to make it to the top unless the folks around them quit enabling them and stop denying the truth of this horrific stiuation.
I feel for the Anthony’s for the loss of their grandchild but that is about as far as it goes, someone needs to sit them down give them the information as it is and let them heal, and then let justice take its course.
BLINK I POSTED THIS IN THE OLDER THREAD BY MISTAKE:
#80:boo
Conway was given the courtesy of a copy by NeJame. He saw no problem with it, and had no way to know, or expect, George’s troublesome behavior.
{booquote}Why would conway allow it? Did conway know what geo was going to do? And he actually allowed it to go down?{booendquote}
#42:CJudy
This is spin. And damage control. Baez should not have contacted George Anthony directly, he should have called Conway. They had to say something about the questionable conduct of Baez bypassing the Anthonys’ attorney.
{quoteCJudy} from the Orlando Sentinel… “Jose Baez’s spokeswoman, Marti Mackenzie, said the defense team did contact George Anthony and his attorney about the news conference.He and the defense team felt the press conference and the release of the photos were improper,” she said. The Anthonys may want to let their opinion be known, she said.”{endquoteCJudy}
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I’m going to reiterate what I believe “the bad information” was. Earlier in the day, yesterday, CF News 13 posted an inaccurate lede on the topic or scope of the NeJame presser:
“The original post of CF News 13:
NeJame, Miller To Reveal All In Anthony Case Thursday, August 20, 2009 11:02:19 AM
Reported ByJacqueline Fell
ORLANDO — The former attorney for the Anthony family is revealing more about what he knows in the Casey Anthony case.
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I believe Baez read the post, flipped out, called George and told him that he better get to NeJame and remind him of the attorney-client privilege, and to not reveal “ALL” that he knows in the case. George reacted without much thought and went to the presser. Cindy probably found out what George was up to and contacted Conway. That’s why I believe that Conway showed up a little later. He was ‘out of the loop’. Or perhaps, as an afterthought, Baez’s office contacted Conway.
Baez made a horrible move, in my opinion, because George’s actions speak loudly to Casey’s guilt, and Baez comes across as the ‘puppet master’ of the Anthonys. Anything shared between Baez and the Anthonys is not bound by the attorney-client privilege, so he better be thoughtful of what he manipulates in the future.
# 90 Midwest Mom
NeJame offered to release the names of the limited group that searched in the area near the remains site. That should be adequate for the purposes of this trial, and also anticipated by those involved.
According to history data on Weatherunderground, the total rainfall accumulation from August 1 2008 to December 1 2008 was 21.54 inches. This included Hurricanes Fay and Gustav.
Ms. Lyons stated that this case was to be a project for her class this semester. I know it is done, but I wonder that it nudges the edge of ethics? Silverspnr?
Mr. Conway will come out of this one way or another with name recognition. His standards are apparantly not as high as Mr. Nejame’s standards. Mr. Nejame was too professional to state the obvious, but I think he quit because he realized that the Anthony’s were determined to do what they wanted to do and would not take his advice.
And Midwest Mom - the reputation of Tim Miller’s organization is on the line here with the innuendos and rumors that have been circulating implying that the area was searched multiple times and nothing was found. If that was true, then TE, by not revealing this information has become part of the railroad job the defense is claiming that LE is running on their client.
His organization survives on donations and donations come from people who trust the organization to be unbiased. He cannot afford to wait until the trial for the truth to be laid out. the longer rumors are allowed to circulate, the harder they are to refute.
The FIRST and MOST IMPORTANT part of the defense strategy will be to convince the jury that law enforcement fixed on Casey and refused to consider any other possibility. I don’t think that will be very hard to do because people love conspiracies. the NEXT thing will be to throw mud all over the place and make vague but graniose claims putting other people in the picture. (I do agree that George will be a main target). It won’t be necessary to convince people that someone else did it, if they can convince the jury that the police didn’t investigate properly. That is probably their best chance at reasonable doubt.
the reputation of TE for unbiased and objective work will be crucial to the state’s case, and crucial for TE’s future.
[...] FL– If yesterday’s antics at the press conference of attorney for the search group Texas Equusearch, Mark Nejame, were a precursor to this mornings [...]
Midwest Mom-
Being a child advocate does not blind me to the rule of law.
A party seeking documents is required to follow the Rules of Procedure in order to obtain them.
The issue I highlighted concerns the SCOPE of the request, not the request itself, necessarily.
However, having said that–
Here- there are also threshold issues (jurisdiction and materiality).
I think that this episode of Jose Baez contacting George Anthony directly, and utilizing him as, in essence, an agent of his office to deal with issues regarding Casey’s case, will preclude the defense from using the Anthonys as ‘fall guys’ in the future. The defense will not seem credible in blaming the Anthonys, after clearly working in concert for the purposes of restricting information. The jurors will have to consider the chumminess of the relationship.
Lily-
True that.
There are major “public policy” considerations of concern.
A Court Order in favor of such a broad request would, without a doubt, have a “chilling effect” on the volunteer/good Samaritan community in future cases.
And one last thing, Midwest Mom-
This request is not being made on behalf of CAYLEE.
Baez is not searching for justice/the “real” killer.
He is seeking to exonerate his client.
We DO know what is in the 91 page last minute motion filed today and quite frankly, I am in shock. Read here and I can’t wait to hear what our resident legal eagles think about this.
http://www.wftv.com/pdf/20483047/detail.html
The Defense is asking for an incredible amount of BROAD and audacious and impertinent information, IMO. They want 12 years of all government contracts, grants and communications between Oak Ridge Laboratories relating to Dr. Arpad Vass….12 YEARS!!! How do they even justify such a request as being relevant to this case??
That is just one example of the maladroit and malapropos requests being made.
Silverspnr…what in the world…yes, I know they plan to attack, attack, attack like wild impertinent dogs but to do so with such brazen floundering has kind of surprised me. Not talking about Baez but Lyons and Kenny Baden? I remember what you said a few days ago and it really stuck with me:
“A known criminal defense trial tactic (when the larger picture is horrific for your client) is to bog the case down with the small details. Point to little inconsistencies and get the jury members hung up on those, so that they lose sight of the obvious truth.”
You nailed that one, my friend.
Comment by Carolyn S from Maryland
I recieved an email from nejame that said the reason he quit as their attorney is because he didnt want any part of assisting casey!! that speaks volumes too me.
I think Brad Conway knew he was taking on notoriously difficult clients when he agreed to represent George and Cindy. On September 4, Mark NeJame, criminal defense lawyer and media veteran, began representing them, and he was upfront in saying he had accepted them as clients because they were caught in a public relations nightmare caused, in part, by a mishandling of the media. Of that, there could be no doubt since on the same day NeJame confirmed his intent to represent them, Cindy released a nasty statement about Tim Miller and Leonard Padilla, claiming both had come to her under false pretenses.
In the ensuing weeks, violent confrontations between the Anthonys and protesters continued, Cindy told a reporter that Florida State Attorney Lawson Lamar was only prosecuting Casey for political gain, George called Holly Bristow of Fox News for an exclusive interview during which he said the grand jury’s true bills were a travesty, WFTV claimed George and Cindy had been calling national media outlets to auction off interviews, George and Cindy announced that Michelle Bart would be taking over as their official spokesperson, Cindy granted an exclusive interview with Local 6 News, and George and Cindy announced a press conference for the purpose of presenting evidence that Caylee was alive. When NeJame announced on November 20 that he was quitting as their counsel, he was candid in saying they were not allowing him to do his job because they refused to follow his advice.
While Mark NeJame was representing George and Cindy, Brad Conway was running for an Orange County Judge position in the November 2008 election. Conway lost with 40% of the vote to a female candidate who was the incumbent and who outspent him two-to-one.
It’s my opinion that Conway’s decision to represent George and Cindy was at least partly motivated by a desire for greater name recognition in order to make him a stronger candidate in a future election. He has confirmed that he is representing them pro bono, but I don’t know if George and Cindy contacted him or if he approached them after NeJame quit. At any rate, he certainly knew he was taking on clients whose behavior had proven unmanageable for Mark NeJame, a likeable, seasoned, and professional attorney who sincerely wanted to help them out of the hole they had largely dug for themselves. And whereas Mark NeJame had no reason on September 4 to know that George and Cindy would refuse to restrain their disastrous media activities and let him handle the situation, Conway had every reason to know that their obstinacy was incorrigible.
On December 11, a few hours after the media reported the discovery of a child’s remains in the woods on Suburban Drive, Brad Conway was announced as George and Cindy’s new legal representative. I don’t know when Brad Conway formally agreed to represent George and Cindy or what understanding they reached. Whereas Mark NeJame made it clear from the start he would not comment on Casey’s legal situation, Conway has made statements in support of Casey’s defense. Perhaps George and Cindy made support for Casey, even muted support, a condition of representing them.
If public exposure was a motive for Conway’s decision to represent them, then he’s had lots of opportunity to reflect on the adage “Be careful what you wish for because you just might get it.” He started out fairly well (despite the typos) with a December 15 statement on behalf of George and Cindy that was released on his firm’s letterhead. He was gracious to LE for their assistance in January during George’s suicidal cry for help. He handled himself fairly well in pre- and post-memorial interviews in February, and IMO, he was very justified in asking the court to postpone the originally-scheduled December 22 civil depositions, to suppress George’s suicide note and to explore, on George and Cindy’s behalf, the possibility of having Casey participate in the February 10 memorial or a privately-arranged family meeting in the OC Jail. I think he was more than justified in the first two. He had to know that he wasn’t going to arrange a private meeting or get permission for Casey to leave the jail for a service, but that doesn’t mean he should be criticized for asking on behalf of George and Cindy.
However, has not, in my opinion, handled situations with credit since then. He should have anticipated legal and public pushback in filing a protective order on February 24 to prevent George and Cindy from being deposed two days later in the civil suit given that the Anthonys had participated in a publicized memorial service, the Anthonys had participated in a public Putnam County search for Haleigh Cummings, and George had appeared on Geraldo’s February 15 broadcast to discuss the Haleigh Cummings case. In a February 25 hearing with Judge Rodriguez, Conway argued that Cindy and George were too emotionally fragile to be deposed. A few weeks later, Judge Rodriquez noted that he had received many emails from outraged citizens pointing out that if George and Cindy were well enough to participate in the search for Haleigh Cummings, then they were not too emotionally fragile to participate in a deposition.
The April 9 civil suit depositions were a disgrace, and while we cannot know how well he attempted to prepare George and Cindy for the depositions, they certainly didn’t appear to have been prepared and he was taken to school for not preparing them. Conway gained some ground when George was allowed a break and returned with a much-improved attitude, but he lost it and much more after Cindy’s deposition. Moreover, he seemed to be struggling with the nature of the privilege, if any, that would protect George and Cindy from answering questions about Dominic Casey.
And I think Conway made a fool of himself during the May 13 Larry King Live interview with George and Cindy. During that interview, Conway claimed there was no hair on the duct tape (despite the fact that the December 20 search warrant spelled out the ME’s having needed to cut the hair to release the duct tape that was covering the mouth area of Caylee’s skull) and also claimed (in response to Larry’s question about heart-shaped sticker residue on the tape) that there was no sticker on the tape and people were drawing wrong assumptions from the discovery.
The derision that greeted news of the cancelled May 21 hearing due to Conway’s stated back problems is an indication that when the trial is finally over, Conway will have paid a high price for representing George and Cindy. The man is confined to a wheelchair and could very well have thrown out his back. But people online were not, for the most part, willing to give him the benefit of the doubt and believed Conway was in perfect health and merely claimed to be indisposed to force a delay. When Keith Mitnik was ordered to appear before Rodriquez and state for the record that he, Mitnik, had cancelled the second (Lee-Luka) part of the hearing himself for “strategic reasons,” Mitnik was given a pass.
There are other things, but my conclusion is that Conway is stuck right now. He’s tried on many occasions to portray George and Cindy as reasonable people who want the truth and have not cut off any theories about Caylee’s demise. Almost as soon as he makes that claim, George or Cindy or both state in an interview that they want to know what happened but also know with 100% certainty that Casey is innocent of harming Caylee. As noted, Conway, unlike NeJame, had every reason to know that George and Cindy were going to do whatever they wanted to do, legal advice be damned, and what they choose to do usually requires damage control. He can’t cut himself free as NeJame did (without paying a price for either his representation or for quitting) because it will appear as if Conway very cynically grabbed the Caylee-case coattails only long enough to get a lot of national exposure.
I have a question re the standing water. Did they say that the water was there one month befor Caylee was found? The same water left by hurricane faye in July? If I am understanding this correctly what does this do to Kronks testimony about seeing the bag in Aug? Or did the water receed and the rise again?
#105 Maura. Did you just call conway an opportunistic ambulance chaser? LOL
provokingpoirot 103- I read the motion in its entirity and although some of this sounds like they are asking for an extreme amount of information(12 years of audits LOL) most of this is simple discovery that they should have access to. Particularly interesting is the portion regarding latent prints. The released discovery stated no latent prints however this request for information clearly states they want info on latent prints and that speaks volumns for the prosecution evidence.Blink has been letting that cat peek out of the bag for a while now. I want them to have all the information they feel is neseccary to defend Casey that way when she is convicted they cannot claim a mistrial or spend thoushand of dollars and man hours in appeals.
As I watched the video’s of today’s court room proceedings I actually came away saddened. We all know that if Casey was innocent and they had a “smoking gun” to lead to her exoneration of the crime, she would be out of jail. I gave Silver a high five when I realized they were probably going after Tony L. today. Just like she pointed out to us. But, to realize the depth of destruction of so many others lives, is so sad.
Tim Miller is an American icon, people, he has taken the tragic loss of his daughter and spent his life, not living in luxury, but going where few feared to tread. This man exemplifies what is good in mankind. Now the next missing person who needs to be found might not get found because Tim and his team cannot get the volunteers to step forward to help.
I can understand and appreciate the fact that Casey has a right to a fair trial. But, the victims she is leaving in the trail of her pursuit of this right is WRONG. Somewhere in our legal system when a group of lawyers get together and throw the rights of others is wrong. What did Amy do to deserve this? She was so trusting and kind to Casey. So was Jesse. I don’t think they will go with Tony. I doubt seriously the LE would have cleared him and allowed him to be a part in the taping with Lee if his record, whereabouts, ect had not been clean as a whistle.
One of the smartest people I have ever known was an oncologist who married an attorney and gave up teaching at an ivy league school to go into practice in hubby’s town. She had to have shop at the local goodwill store. She wore the same five wrinkled outfits that were so old they were almost tattered. She looked like a bag lady not a doctor. She was so good that it took months to get an office appointment with her. I loved to watch this woman work. She would even sit on the floor in a patients room. She could never talk as fast as she thought. Other than Lyons weight problem, Lyons reminded me of this doctor today. I think I glimpsed a mind that is brilliant. And that is what makes a good lawyer, not how she looks.
So, Silver, my feelings that brilliant minds (we’ll forget poor NoWayJose here), can to me callously throw innocent people under the bus as a stratigy to get their client free, leaves a bitter taste in my mouth.
Silver, you got to help me with this one. It tears at my heart.
I think the defense has groomed Casey to look like the dejected waif in this saga. The greasy hair, no make up, unbecoming outfit that definitely showed that her waistline is not there anymore. Going to make the jury less inclined to see the preCasey. I did notice when Lyons was arguing her case and mentioning the enormity of her client could be put to death …the camera panned to Casey and Casey cringed and visibly was taken back.
If George had an eyejob it was botox and it’s time for another treatment. And another dip in the holy water, it didn’t work, and I am not being crass. You do not rededicate your life to God and tell such a blatant lie about he didn’t know…..
And no she did not acknowledge her parents. You can see Cindy reaching out her hand between the men in front of her. Casey never looked.
Maura you have such an analytical mind. I love reading your posts. I don’t think Conway will ever run for office again.
My question for the night is this. A judge channel surfing between Nancy Grace and Greta? Is this kosher for the judge responsible for this case to be admitting he’s watching news on TV about the case? I know from being a juror you are told not to watch TV or read or talk about anything about the case. Does this not apply to the sitting judge?
BTW, get on your virtual juror suits and come on over to the house on Suburban on Secret Life. Last night Angela was teaching me how to use the group chat and a CSI expert was there and the group chat was amazing. I went and bought my headphones and mike today as my fingers couldn’t type fast enough!
Isnt she/they awesome?
B
# 105
There you are Maura. I was looking for you on the newer thread.
I agree with your points here. Come to the newer thread and take a stab at the”substantial evidence” that proves Casey is innocent.
“My question for the night is this. A judge channel surfing between Nancy Grace and Greta? Is this kosher for the judge responsible for this case to be admitting he’s watching news on TV about the case? I know from being a juror you are told not to watch TV or read or talk about anything about the case. Does this not apply to the sitting judge?”
# 109 Shelly
I would guess, why not? The judge is privy to EVERYTHING and decides what gets entered. He already knows more than jurors, right?
karen657, Fay blew into Orlando on Aug 19 or 20, so after kronk was there on Aug 11, 12, 13. But May, June, and July had higher than average rainfall.
whoops, karen657, misread your question. You were wondering about rain closer to December 11, 2008. Just checked the Florida Department Agriculture Division of Forestry daily rainfall reports for Orlando. Nov 2008 had a total of 0.00 inches (just trace amounts on some days), and there were 0.80 inches on Dec 1 and none thru Dec. 11. October had 3.02 inches. September had 3.70 total (”recorded at Division of Forestry observing sites”).
And Fay brought like 10 inches or so over the 19-24.
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Tropical Storm Fay did not drop any water on Orlando until August 18.
Orlando is a geographically large city, and rainfall in one area can be higher or lower than rainfall in another area. For instance, for August 2008 rainfall, the Orlando International Airport (OIA) total was 10.71 inches while the Orlando Public Works (OPW) rainfall average was 12.98 inches. The difference is that the OIA 10.71 inches only measured the rainfall at the airport weather station whereas the OPW 12.98 inches was the average rainfall for all areas in Orlando (obviously some areas of Orlando received more rain than OIA did).
The Suburban Drive lot where the remains were found is located in southeast Orlando, about two miles as the crow flies from the national weather station at OIA, so that is the data to use for the wooded lot. There is, I believe, an Orlando Public Works rain gauge located on Lee Vista Blvd. that is only about one mile from the wooded lot, but rainfall totals for that municipal station were not available online. Those Lee Vista rainfall totals would be better totals to use for the wooded lot (if they differed from the OIA totals), but I couldn’t find them.
The woods on the section of Suburban Drive between Hopespring Drive and Hidden Oaks Elementary school are several acres in size, but the land is not perfectly flat. The specific wooded lot where the remains were found is depressed relative to the surrounding area. The land slopes downward from Suburban Drive as is clear in the animated videos recently released by the SAO. That means that the specific location where the remains were found would collect water from the surrounding areas and would remain flooded long after the woods only a few hundred feet away had dried up.
It is therefore of no evidentiary weight that the videotape shot by Jim Hoover on November 15 and 16 shows dry land because that specific area was not as low as the specific area in which the remains were found. It doesn’t matter whether the area in the Hoover video was 50 feet away or 200 yards away (estimates have varied greatly) since the exact location of Caylee’s skull was in a depressed spot that was only feet away from the higher ground close to the curb on Suburban Drive.
The 2008 monthly OIA rainfall totals in inches were:
January: 4.10
February: 1.65
March: 5.15
April 1-30: 3.20
May 1-31: 3.48
June 1-30: 9.73 (4.23 by June 18)
July 1-31: 7.35
August 1-31: 10.71 (8.17 from TS Fay August 18-23)
September 1-30: 4.02 (1.06 by September 7)
October 1-31: 2.61 (1.74 by October 13)
November 1-30: 1.09 (0.44 by November 7)
December 1-11: 0.61**
In the six weeks prior to June 18 (when Casey dumped the body in the woods IMO), OIA had received 7.71 inches of rain. The Suburban Drive woods would have been getting wet at that point, and there may have been minimal standing water in the depressed area where the remains were ultimately found.
Between June 18 and August 11, OIA received 13.93 inches of rain. August 11 is when Kronk called in his first tip. When he met with Deputy Richard Cain on August 13, Kronk said there was standing water in the area where the remains were ultimately found. There was so much water that Cain wouldn’t go very far into the area. Moreover, on August 11, Gale St. John and her crew (The Body Hunters) were in that same area. On the videotape she shot, her daughter can be seen walking up to the tree line and can be heard on the tape (as she looked at the ground) saying (paraphrasing), “The water starts here.” That is perfectly consistent with the animated video released by the SAO because the slope begins right at the tree line. St. John said the water was high enough that it would have come to about mid-shin had anyone waded into it on August 11. Tropical Storm Fay had not moved into the Orlando area yet, but in the previous 10 weeks, nearly 18 inches of rain had fallen in that area, so Kronk and St. John were likely accurately reporting the existence of substantial standing water at the remains site on August 11.
The total rainfall for June, July, August, and the first week of September 2008 in the area of the Suburban woods was 28.85 inches. That is the amount of summer rainfall that had fallen at OIA when Tim Miller of Texas EquuSearch (TES) conducted his initial search for Caylee. A lot of rain fell within the previous 90 days (more than one-third of that rain within the previous three weeks), so it was rain that accumulated. It didn’t have time to evaporate, and Orlando ground is so wet and close to sea level that the water sinks into the ground very slowly.
FYI - On September 6, David Lohr of Investigation Discovery (affiliated with the Discovery Channel) was participating in the search for Caylee. Lohr was with a TES K9 unit: One K9 handler told Lohr that they would have had an easier time during the search if Casey or her family had provided them with an item with Caylee Anthony’s scent on it. According to the handler, an item was requested from the family but they refused to provide one. That certainly should be brought up in the trial when the defense is arguing that areas had been “cleared” by TES prior to the finding of the remains.
By September 7, after 10 days of searching, Tim Miller said the tropical storm water was too high in many areas OCSO wanted searched, so the TES search was being suspended until those waters receded.
On October 13, Tim Miller returned to Orlando for a look at the ground in areas TES had not been able to search in early September because of standing water. He said the water was still too high. Not only was the summer water still high in many places, but in the five weeks between September 7 and October 13, an additional 4.7 inches of rain had fallen on OIA. Miller nevertheless said TES would return on November 8 to resume the search.
From October 13 to November 7, only an additional 1.31 inches of rain had fallen at OIA. The total rainfall in the two-month period between September 7 (when TES suspended searches) and November 7 (when TES resumed searches) was 6.1 inches. The extra rain kept the ground water from completely evaporating, but it was low enough (3 inches per month) that the groundwater had been able to recede.
Between November 7 and December 11, only 0.73 inches of rain fell, which greatly enabled the evaporation of the remaining standing water in the Suburban Drive wooded lot.
**It was raining on December 11 when LE responding to Kronk’s 911 call regarding the discovery of a child’s skull. The rainfall for December 11 was 0.53 inches, which was 87% of the rainfall for the month of December 2008. Only 0.08 inches of rain had fallen between December 1 and December 10.
OIA data was gathered from the Weather Underground website.
Outstanding Maura, thank you
B
How does knowing the water levels correlate with the plant life and insect presence found involved with the remains? In other words, Would having the remains submerged in water be in sync with or cause doubt about what the scientists concluded about the length of time the body had been at the location based on the insects and plants growing in and through it?
# 109 Shelly
IMO, there are many good reasons why he should keep tabs on the coverage of this particular case. I say that because Strickland has to make decisions in this case relative to Florida’s extremely liberal sunshine laws that he probably rarely or never must make in other criminal cases.
This case is highly unusual for the fact that the media has gone to the trouble of gathering the discovery and making it public. While the law permits the public to seek pre-trial discovery for every criminal case, the public doesn’t care about Joe Shmoe’s trial so the media doesn’t bother getting it. I don’t know of any trial like this one in which every scrap of discovery is sought and made public by media outlets and in which virtually everything the defendant does is reported on. There was a time when every stick of deoderant and every granola bar Casey ordered from the jail commissary was considered news-worthy.
It’s my opinion that the Florida lawmakers who voted to liberalize Florida’s open records laws to the extent that they did never anticipated that the discovery of any particular case would be used in the way that discovery has been used in the Anthony case. IIRC, the laws were liberalized in the late 70’s, long before personal computers and Internet culture. Because the laws are what they are, Judge Strickland is forced to release most of the discovery, so the fact that millions of people have read discovery material that is highly prejudicial to Casey (including material that may not be allowed into evidence at trial) is not something that Strickland can control for the most part.
But I won’t be surprised if this trial forces modifications of Florida’s open records laws, modifications that would strictly limit the scope of discovery that may be released prior to the trial. Transparency in government does not require the pre-trial release of discovery. It’s not at all on the same level as public access to the doings of legislative committees. I love reading and discussing the discovery in this case, but I’d never claim my rights as a citizen would be harmed if I had to wait until the trial to hear it or until after the trial to have full access to it.
Many rulings Strickland makes are all-but-required rulings relative to Florida law (such as his decision to release the autopsy report over the objections of George and Cindy). In a criminal investigation, the autopsy report is a key piece of evidence that will (without question) be introduced at trial, and the arguments to seal it until trial, while personally understandable, were not even close to being strong enough to allow him to override Florida’s sunshine laws regarding that particular piece of discovery. As he noted when he made the ruling, the autopsy report was very dry and clinical - just the facts, no editorializing. There was nothing inherently prejudicial about the report and nothing sensationalistic in it other than the gruesome content.
But on other rulings, he has more discretion (such as his decision not to release the medical-station videotape of Casey watching the news on December 11). That tape could be interpreted by the defense as Casey’s natural reaction to the news that a child’s skeleton had been found around the corner from her house, the location alone suggesting (as it did to everyone who heard the news) that the remains were those of Caylee Anthony or could be interpreted by the prosecution as indicating Casey’s guilty knowledge that LE had discovered where she dumped the body and Casey’s fear that the discovery of remains along with other evidence at the scene would expose Casey’s lie that she did not know what had happened to Caylee.
Judge Strickland’s decision to seal the December 11 videotape was made 1) because there was no indication that either party would seek to introduce the tape into evidence at trial and 2) because Strickland believed that the content of the tape was likely to be interpreted by most viewers as indicative of Casey’s guilt. He could well have drawn that conclusion (the correct one IMO) because he had been keeping tabs on coverage of the case and knew that widely-followed talk shows (Nancy Grace) don’t even try to maintain neutrality or objectivity when discussing released discovery.
I greatly respect Strickland and the rulings he’s made to date, and I appreciate that the publicity this case has generated is publicity - in great part - fueled by the discovery release. He understands that as well, and the combination of discovery and publicity in this case has required him to be aware of the discussion that the discovery fuels, hence the channel-surfing IMO.
Look at it this way - can you think of any other current murder case in central Florida (or anywhere) about which you know the names of the defendant, family members of defendant, witnesses, judge, prosecutors, defense attorneys, lead detectives, and expert witnesses? About which you can give a timeline of events? About which you can summarize the forensic evidence? Could you have defined forensic air sampling and cell pings before you started reading about this trial? I can answer NO to those questions.
You just reminded me of a discussion I had on CSO late last year after the defense announced on December 12 the names of the well-known forensic experts who had joined Casey’s defense team. The CSO member said she didn’t think it was right that all those experts were volunteering to help Casey when the defendants in virtually unknown murder cases did not get similar free help. But the way I see it is that those experts were drawn by the publicity, publicity that has grown and been fed by the discovery. To me, there’s a karmic balance going on there.
Granted, Casey’s own actions are what triggered public interest in the case (nightclubbing for a month after her baby daughter’s disappearance, a disappearance she apparently never intended to report to authorities), but the discovery is what has kept this case alive in the public’s awareness and created obsessive followers like me. I mean, look at the Melissa Huckaby-Sandra Cantu case. That was in March, and it very quickly faded from discussion after Huckaby’s arraignment because the authorities are making a mighty effort to keep the details quiet (and they were likely looking at the Anthony case as an example of what they wanted to avoid).
Very Interesting and insightful post Maura-
I concur in total with one exception. I dont think the state has ever indicated they would not use the video in trial, they did not fight the bjection imo, because the county really was at issue, and they would rather duck as a strategy manuver because everybody knew there was no way it was coming in prior to trial.
It was Macaluso (Hubolt) that argued to His Honor that he did not see any set of circumstances where that video comes into evidence. The actual probative vs. Prejudicial or innflammatory arguments have yet to happen
I am SSSSSSSSSSSOOOOOOOOOO impressed by Mark NeJame. I have always just really appreciated Tim Miller. I am so thrilled that Mark went to bat for Tim. A HUGE high five to you both!!!!!!!!!
Anthonys should have listened to Mark Long ago but A’s are SSSSSSSTTTTTUUUUPPPPPIIIIIDDDDD
Thanks, Blink!
I spoke too strongly above when I wrote, “1) because there was no indication that either party would seek to introduce the tape into evidence at trial.”
I didn’t recall that Macaluso was even at that hearing. I was thinking of the motion hearing in in terms of Strickland’s statement that he wanted to talk to both parties and the media before making a decision about the December 11 videotape and also to Strickland’s ruling to seal the videotape. He wrote in the ruling that was released on June 17, “It is at least a possibility that the video in question will never be shown to the jury that decides this matter.”
http://www.wftv.com/pdf/19779284/detail.html
I didn’t remember his exact wording when I wrote my comment, but the impression I took away from the ruling (going from memory) was that neither side had indicated an intention to introduce the video into evidence.
You certainly could be right that it was simply a strategic decision of the SAO to let the tape be sealed for now.
It also occurred to me that there are underlying issues/problems regarding the situation in which Casey was brought to the medical station that the SAO wanted to back away from (and they might avoid using that tape at trial because of those issues).
Within the last few months I read that the OCSO official who ordered the jail personnel to take Casey to the medical station, put her where she could watch the TV, and take notes regarding her reaction to the news of the remains discovered on Suburban Drive had been demoted. No reason was given for the demotion, but I suspect he was punished for poor judgment in the matter of the December 11 videotape. The taping does reek of a set-up to “catch” Casey, maybe even to capture her on tape blurting out something incriminating.
Got it. The state did not have a dog in the fight at that time, imo, purposefully. They released the tape to the defense, which in turn doing so forces the PI access to kick in. They let the media take the helm, and let it ride. It is my personal opinion that tape will never come in. HOWEVER, I think Baez is just dumb enough to open the door to that parlor with the impugning of the County staff at the jail. The option would be for some sort of mutual stipulation on the evidence.
B
This was 1,000 pages ago … but …To the poster who surmised that the photos on the internet of the area where Calee’s remains were found probably lack the detail of the originals: Good call. You are most likely correct. Almost EVERY photo on the internet is a “J-PEG.” A JPEG is compressed to save transmission time over the internet. This is a “lossy” type of compresion. That means some of the original data is lost during compression, but it should still look “ok” when your computer reconstructs the photo on your screen … as long as you don’t try to “blow it up.” When you blow up a JPEG you get to see all the little “errors” and the image will look really grainy and pixelated. Some jpegs are higher quality-lower compression than others, but generally pictures you pull off the internet are pretty heavily compressed and do not blow up well at all.
As for the jailhouse video when Casey saw “the news” … they don’t really need it. Her story has so many holes in it already a few more or a few less won’t make much diff.
to Blink’s comment (last sentence) to Maura’s post 120– well, he’s gone and done it before!!! He wanted the jailhouse video of August 14th revealed, even made a motion to get it released, because he believed there was something damning about police on it– more Casey accusations and he swallowed that, hook line and two-tonne sinker.
(and btw, Baez’s insistence on release of that final visit video, showed lack of communication with the family and his client, but especially the family, where they should have told Baez there was a problem with showing Casey’s behavior in the visit– don’t do it! Because Baez was on a one-track plan for these videos and the families specific questions that were designed to ‘prove’ that the family believed in the kidnapper and to ‘prove’ that the kidnapper(s) existed for the media, he figured that the police misconduct accusations by Casey (they aren’t listening to me! they didn’t show me a photo of that girl, etc), he really stepped in it big time.)
‘… he figured that the police misconduct accusations by Casey were the reason the video was not released… (sorry missed the last part of that thought before finishing the sentence)….’
Baez better have more than ‘police misconduct’ on his slate, more than TES ‘misconduct’, more than some misconduct by Scott Bolin and the FBI, and all those FBI lab scientists, technicians, for some ‘misconduct’– that seems to be Baez’s weak spot, well, one of them.