Caylee/Casey Anthony Case: Baez Motionfest in Court This Morning
Orlando, FL– If yesterday’s antics at the press conference of attorney for the search group Texas Equusearch, Mark Nejame, were a precursor to this mornings motions hearing, it should prove to be a long day.
Exactly what pending motions are slated to be heard as there are several before the court at this time, remains to be seen, however, all have been initiated on behalf of the defense team Jose Baez and Andrea D. Lyon.
It is presumed the court will hear: Motion to delay the economic charges against Casey Anthony, motion response on behalf of TES Founder Tim Miller to be certified as a witness in the criminal case, Motion of 90 pages regarding evidence tested by the FBI (insert yawn). Motion regarding Anthony Lazzaro phone records, motion regarding Dominic Casey records and motion to preclude Leonard Padilla, Tony Padilla, Tracy Mclaughlin and Rob Dick from testifying as prosecution witnesses. Motion for anything I forgot.
Strap in. Ride starts at 9:30AM EST, live feed here:
Mark Nejame, Todd Macaluso, Andrea Lyon Argue TES Motion
First Up-Mark Nejame vs. Andrea Lyon TES motion 10:18 AM
White shoes. Repeat. White shoes in court. Got the petty out of the way, thanks for indulging me.
Mark presents to his Honor, Stan Strickland, the vast problematic issues with a broad request, which could encompass 4000 different individuals.
Andrea Lyon argued this is not a fishing expedition, it is the equivalent of the defense relying on the “Trust Me” argument on behalf of the state. They are not looking to expose people’s personal information. Ms. Lyon went on say the defense is willing to hang out at Mark’s office until they get what they need.
Judge Strickland in recent receipt of the answer, deferring ruling upon review in short order.
Jose Baez Argues Tony Lazzarro phone records
Baez argues Lazzarro was served, and that the motion has been narrowed and only received response yesterday at 4PM.
AttorneyJay, for Tony Lazzarro, argues he was not served either, was notified by a third party as to ammended motion. Jay agrees to requesting the 6 week period of records from AT &T, but is not optimistic he will be able to. Furthermore, the materiality of the defense request post July 15, 2008, has not been shown. All communication had ceased by then.
Judge Strickland grants a portion of the defense request, June 1 through September 2008, within 30 days.
Jose Baez Argues Motion to Preclude Leonard, Tony, Tracy and Rob
Baez calls George Anthony. Casey begins weeping openly. George discusses his interaction with the team.
Linda points out Mr. Padilla puts up $50k bond, so how is it he was unaware that his intention was to find his grandaughter. George is doubletalking that they volunteered to provide security only once she was out. Jim Campbell, was the retired LE officer was staying at the home at the time. Mr. Baez had to be present when any person spoke to Casey or was around her, if he were not, a family member had to be present at all times.
George states he knew nothing about the privacy arrangements they agreed to. Linda pointed out there were several people that could have transported Casey back and forth, and that they requested this service.
Ms. Drane Burdick presented the audio interviews of Leonard, Rob, and Tracy, about 3 hours worth which the Judge will review. She requested an original copy of the signed agreements for all parties.
*Secret*.. What Baez presented as the true and correct copies of the executed agreements by all parties is NOT.. Ms. Burdick is aware of this
Judge Strickland points out that Baez has had well over a year to file a temporary restraining order as Padilla as he has been “breaking that agreement” all over TV under this argument.
Ms. Drane Burdick argued Baez motion is essentially a gag order, and their has been no agency established, they posess the burden to establish privlege in the first place.
Oral agreement was hatched upfront between all parties, and prior to the written agreement. The agreement to provide security was a condition of posting the bond in the first place.
BAM… What I eluded to, Tony Padilla did not SIGN that agreement in the motion. Hello, Florida Bar, please hold…
I am intentionally shortening this segment, The State ate his lunch, and I have no clue why, but ruling deferred.
Motion to Determine a Trial Date Check Fraud
The state argues the check issues are relegated to specific dates and feels although witnesses may overlap, there is not an issue as to hearing testimony in the murder case. Baez is the only attorney on the docket of the case. The victim, Amy Huizenga, is asserting her right as a victim for the matter to be concluded. As an alternative, the State advises they are willing to go the bench trial route, which would allay the concerns altogether.
Ms. Lyon argues it is not their position it should never be tried and it is the states fault for seeking the death penalty in the murder case. Ms. Lyon sugested the state postpone the check fraud charges 60–90 days behind the murder charge.
Judge Strickland is considering this ruling as well
Related Posts
Related Posts:
719 Comments
RSS feed for comments on this post. TrackBack URI
free
George’s lies yesterday just made him look stupid. It was similar to his assertions in the M&M depositions that he never talked to the PIs and they never gave him a report. If we are to believe this, we have to be as stupid as he appears to be. I think George is volunteering to go under the bus. If he can confuse the jury, he would do time for perjury if it means Casey going free.
I agree Carolyn S
Every time one of you mentions ‘crab puffs’ I get a craving for crab puffs. Cut it out, ok? LOL
I’m not sure I’ve ever had one but I want one.
lol, me too
B
# 198- Cute.
yup, Blink, for those of us who don’t have the same ‘facts’, we can surely see the behaviour AND recognize the lies… he needs to get some body language obscuring practice too, before trial.
Nice greyhaired grandpa just minding his own business, paying no attention to anyone else’s, letting everyone else drive the bus, he’ll just sit in the back and read his paper….
I’m sure, now that Linda D-B knows for a fact George is willing to lie under oath in a court of law in front of the state of Florida, the honorable Judge Strickland, the viewing public, his daughter, his wife, his granddaughter in heaven, and his God — she will take all necessary measures to insure he is able to fly his true colors when it’s his turn to testify at trial. I’m sure she’ll prepare for George’s wife’s testimony in a similar fashion.
And while I’m on the subject of *mis-truths* … it’s so incredibly disturbing to hear and read public pronouncements by people who should know better that it’s less than a FATAL CHARACTER FLAW to lie as a matter of course in one’s life.
We’ve heard from Cindy that Casey’s lying doesn’t mean she’s a murderer. Excuse me?
And now we hear from TPadilla that George and Cindy are great people, despite their lying natures, and even Casey is a pleasant, respectful gal, aside from that pesky business of what seems to have happened to her daughter.
For the love of all things holy … CHARACTER DOES MATTER.
He has always maintained respect for the A’s.. No matter how badly I tried to sway his opinion
B
Make sure you read back on the comments for the previous article. Maura gave an EXCELLENT summary/analysis of the rainfall and search timelines of the site of the body. It really puts it into perspective and makes it even more ridiculous the strategy the defense is using. Unbelievable.
‘stupid is as stupid does (and says, again on the stand)… box of chocolates… everybody knows’
First of all, the judge should deny the defense access to Tony Lazarro’s phone records. He’s not involved in this crime and the defense damn well knows it. Why give the defense the wherewithal to plant red herrings in this trial?
Secondly, I don’t understand why George Anthony was called to the stand. He established nothing and had to nothing to contribute. Nothwithstanding the fact that he lies everytime his lips move.
Thirdly, Leonard Padilla volunteered to help find Caylee and to post Casey’s bond so she could get out to assist in that effort. Once it became apparent to him that Caylee was deceased, he had no reason to continue. He and his associates were NEVER, EVER part of the “defense team”. He wasn’t hired by the defense to prove Casey’s innocence or paid for his services, in fact he lost money in this deal. He was all about finding Caylee, PERIOD!
Furthermore, the defense wanting records and information from Texas Equusearch is ridiculous. Again, this organization was called and asked to help find Caylee, not defend Casey. Nothing they found or didn’t find has any bearing on this case.
Fourth, this BS that Caylee’s remains were placed when they were located after Casey was in jail and that it proves her innocence would be laughable if we weren’t talking about the murder of a baby. The area was under water and therefore not searched at all by anybody. What a bunch of morons these defense lawyers are.
One question, if you know, Blink. WHO was the well-dressed male person who entered the courtroom WITH Ms. Lyon, and who was first going to seat himself in the gallery, until Ms. Lyon gestured to him to join her and he sat along with the defense team. He also had access to see the clipboards of those attny’s seated beside him, so presumably he has a role in the defense, or, he is a trusted personal companion of Ms. Lyon.
As Casey got up to leave the hearing, she turned around, shook hands with her defense team, Mr. Macaluso and this other professional looking person too, so she was apparently introduced to this person (all the while, her mother popping up and around behind the backs of the defense lawyers, to catch her eye– so why would Casey be introduced to this person, if he was just someone’s friend, when she couldn’t even shake the hand of her own mother?)
This may be a new team member sitting in, who we will hear from in the future?
I have heard he is Ms. Lyon’s paralegal, but cant confirm.
B
one more point going to Ms. Lyon’s argument that it was the ‘state’ that caused its own problem of no speedy trial for the cheque fraud case:
Does Ms. Lyon remember that in March, in April, in May and wasn’t it also June, that two primary witnesses on that list of 15 witnesses for the cheque case, were incapable of being stressed and this is verified by the court in attempts to request/demand that these witnesses make themselves available for hearings and for depositions??? Indeed these two important witnesses were not ‘available’ for these months, and for the months since the baby’s body was found, by their own lawyer and his arguments that all this was ‘too soon’ after they learned of their grandbaby’s death only in December.
Kleat and Team..
I have a confession to make. I know this will shock you, but I was reviewing some old transcripts today, specifically Dom Casey, and I realized I missed something. I never read or heard that George said “Take your effing flunkies and get the eff out of there, or words to that effect, to John Allen.
That man would have dug that baby out of the swamp himself with bare hands if necessary, as would Yuri or Scott and this Gavone treated him like that? I am at a loss.
B
thanks, Blink! gotcha!
Blink
A quick way to find Dom Casey’s transcript, when you have the chance, a link please?
I need to read for myself the context of : “George said “Take your effing flunkies and get the eff out of there, or words to that effect, to John Allen.”
“Gavone”…LOL! You sure you aren’t from NYC tri-state? Why of course I am.
http://www.docstoc.com/docs/4380098/Transcript-of-Dominic-Casey-interview-01072009
Blink…sister help me out here
George lied yesterday, he wasn’t sworn in (that I saw) help me if I missed that, do his lies matter legally? If he continues these lies will he evetually get hemmed up? isn’t it only only under sworn testimony? I believe so….
He was sworn, and yes
B
Has anyone heard anything about who’s funding the A’s? They haven’t worked in forever. They don’t seem to be in need of anything. Somehow their mortgage is getting paid, they have food on the table, they have gas and electricity, etc. Do you think it’s coming from the same person or persons who are funding the defense team? That’s a LOT of $$$ being given away. Have any rich folks’ names been thrown out for public consumption? I’m guessing their unemployment checks stopped coming a long time ago! Thanks.
Happy Saturday, Blink and Blinkers !
Trying to catch up with A’s saga..
Agree with Felicity # 140 about KC appearance -they are getting her ready for the court..For Lyon, she needs Susan-Boyle-type of change ..there is a lot of work there
I do not know Leonard Padilla personally and only know of him through following this case. In the beginning, LP stated he was helping to bond KC out of jail so he could talk to her and find out the information that only KC knows so LP could track down Caylee and Nanny, a.k.a. “Zenida Fernandez Gonzales”. This is his job. To go find the ‘bad guys’ and make sure they are put away. To ‘Save the Day’ so to speak. This should have nothing to do with LP’s personal agenda, even though most players in this case have one. Once KC was bonded out, she refused to talk to LP. Isn’t this consist ant with what Baez stated that he told KC not to say anything to Padilla & Co? Why did Baez want Padilla & Co to assist with the bond and search efforts if KC does not even have permission from Baez to speak to LP & Co about what happened to Caylee? I think I can safely say that we know the answer. Baez used Padilla & Co just to put up the bond money. Baez did not want anyone whatsoever to interfere with him and his ‘girl’. With Baez’ own plans of fortune and fame – his own notoriety. LP, through his years of experience, caught on fairly quick that this dog don’t hunt (KC) and he was not going to be anyone’s fool. He revoked the bond. He knows the things that were said in the A house. So do Rob and Tracy. From Tony P’s comments on the YouTube video, Tony did not have the same contact with KC. Interesting that perhaps LP smelled a rat (Baez)and that LP realized he chose the ‘wrong door’ to go through when taking on this case.
It was Cindy Anthony that suggested that ‘Zanny’ could be whoever was babysitting ‘that child’. She stated that in her LE or FBI interview. KC did not say that at anytime, IIRC. Cindy said she sent Dom Casey over to the wooded area because what, she got a tip? And DC lies to LE and says he received the tip (and was on the phone with the tipster during the wooded area search video w/DC & JH) that it was his daughter, oh wait no, it was a psychic. Yeah right, that’s who informed him. He did not say Cindy. Why not? IMHO, Baez was somehow involved with sending the PI’s to the wooded area. Never mind the who/what/where/when/why’s. It was the defense strategy all along to say that ‘that child’ was placed there after KC went away. The defense wanted some type of evidence to show a) that the baby body was not there and b) that the area was not a swampy flooded area. This video was to be used as evidence at trial. What I do not understand, is why LE and FBI allow Cindy and George to operate as if this is their investigation. So follow C&G’s leads because LE and FBI do not know what they are doing. WTH? When will this stop? Enough of this already!
Tony, Jesse, Amy and Ricardo will all be smeared by the KC bus when this Capitol Murder trial gets underway. I hope they have very competent lawyers. These young people have a long life ahead of them and I would hate to think that their reputations will forever be on the line, as with Zenida Gonzales represented by M&M. The shame of these slanderous people – defense team, Anthony’s and especially KC. I have put my trust in the SA and Linda Drane-Burdick. They have a mighty case on their hands and I have to believe that this won’t be no OJ trial. That would be the worst nightmare for me and most of us following this case.
IMHO, I believe that George and Cindy will lie throughout the trial. Even the financial trial. They will lie for KC. They do not care if they incriminate themselves. This is all for KC. Whether it is their guilt of raising a narcissistic, sociopathic, stealing, lying, murdering daughter without getting her proper treatment years ago or if it is just the way this family has always conducted themselves, they will continue to lie and obstruct JFC because they want KC to get away with murder and come back home so they can all continue their lives as before. Only this time with more money from the Scamthony foundation and the selling of their photos and stories. They will lie and obstruct JFC. When this circus finally leaves town, and it will eventually leave town, what will happen? Will Cindy & George have to face charges? Will KC be freed to come home and live with them? Will they all sail into the sunset to live happily ever after? It will be interesting to see that final outcome. And I don’t believe for one minute that any of them will crack. If I have to eat my words later, I won’t mind at all. Please pass the salt…
One more thing, I think KC’s demeanor yesterday was not for Caylee, George or Cindy. It was only for herself. She knows what she did. She knows that her defense team is lying for her. That her parents are lying for her. Even Lee is/was lying for her. She does not give a crap about her family. They did not handle this situation the way she wanted them to. By sweeping it under the rug. Even Baez has other cases and she knows that means she is not his number one girl anymore. She has been in jail for over 10 months. She will be there for another year waiting on the trial. She knows she gained weight, has no party to attend in near future, and no lover boy waiting for her. No one visits her. No one! All of the press about her is not complimentary. I am sure she is aware of that since Baez was able to get the laptop into the jail visits with her. Plus she listens to the radio. WDBO covers this case. There are probably other radio stations that cover it in Orlando as well. KC thought it was all fun and games in the beginning. She thought her hero Baez would make sure the public sees that she was innocently charged with murder on a whim. She knows what was at the remains site. She knows darn good and well what evidence was recovered there. She knows because she put it there. All of it! Even those shorts. You know, the shorts that were found that are the same make and size of Caylee’s, that were on Caylee in photographs. The shorts that did not have the wear-&-tear damage as the other clothes found at the remain site. Perhaps that may have been Cindy or Lee. But I think it was our KC. I think she put those there before the Grand Jury indicted her. I believe she visited those woods and maybe some in her family knew she did – just not exactly where in those woods – but they knew. Another cover-up to make it look like someone else placed the baby body there ‘after KC went to jail’. Ahem.
Thank you Blink and fellow Blinksters for allowing me to get these things off my chest. You are a group of very smart, very intelligent people who have a forum for all of us to come to while in the search for justice for Caylee. My hat is tipped and my bow is for you all. Thank you so much. And may justice prevail for Caylee Marie Anthony.
Oh yeah!!! I read through that transcript word for word (not always easy on that one– with the uhms n’ such…
Was George EVER on Caylee’s side, even in that very first ever LE interview audio where he goes in to ‘play them’ for info, play the ‘I’m only- civilian- not- cop- anymore- just -a -grandpa -guy- who-needs-inside-info-I-know-a-bit-of- how-things-work-first-to-lay-cape-down-on-puddle-for-wife-re:911 call” type guy so trust me, share info with me.
He is downright objectionable becoming quickly transparently rather unlikeable!!
Judge Strickland has ruled that Tony Lazzaros phone records could be checked through the date of December 18th. Why did he allow this?
Tony Lazzaro is not involved in this thing – Strickland is giving the defense a lot of lattitude by granting the motions on Lazzaro and
TES. I cannot wait for the day that Casey has to sit there and hear
Tony’s testimony in court.
Time for a George ‘revisited’ look, not to get hung up in details of pings and such, or to speculate or rant, but to review what was at first, a highly sympathetic public view of both grandparents, then revulsion of one of them for her behaviour, but low key ‘nice guy’ George flew below the public radar, gained and retained the public’s sympathy and ‘understanding’ as the only one who might stand now, for Caylee.
George’s behaviour in yesterday’s testimony was no different from his deposition, but he could not express it as the Judge nipped it in the bud as he became argumentative with Ms. D-B. ‘yeah, let’s clarify it’ he repeated after the judge, to Ms. D-B. Ms. D-B didn’t really clarify anything, she simply repeated what she was asking, without George’s interruptions this time. He was starting to go down the road that Casey and Cindy have trodden before and that was “give me a chance to speak….” ( Judge Stand didn’t let him go so far as to say ‘no one is giving me a chance to speak! You cut me off!!’ but that’s the Anthony Anthem )
Blink and all,
It has been obvious to me for a long time that George and Cindy would make every effort to keep up the charade that Caylee was missing instead of what everyone else knew and told them…. actually demanded of them… to face the reason that Casey was lying in her efforts to assist in finding Caylee… they kept the same perspective not out of a need to support Casey or even for the hope that Caylee was alive. It is much more sinister than that… they pretended because of all of the money that rolled in early on….
Blink, wasn’t that blurt by George when John Allen served a search warrant on the home in December and when George was whisked away to wait on the patio with Dennis and Sherri while the Cindy was left to speak to Sgt. Allen and speak she did, about ‘sending men there to walk to walk the woods in November ‘ (ie: body NOT there then) and then about the ‘Winnie-the-Pooh’ quilt being ‘missing’?
Goes back to Cindy confirming to George on July 15, ‘we have lost her’.
Yes, the second warrant after the remains were found, on Dec 19, IIRC
B
(how someone could live with themselves knowing where that little baby was, and not called the information in and gone there and waited in vigil to stand over and protect the baby’s remains site until she could be recovered.
Quoting Christine: “if something happens to that baby, I’ll just die!!!” Why is it that the baby has had more people, close friends like Christine, and strangers alike, to care about her, who are not the baby’s immediate family and care providers. ‘OMG… Calling you guys… a waste… a huge waste’ , another line of the Anthony Anthem and re-occurring theme with the sherriff’s office, with Tim Miller, with Leo Padilla, with John Allen personally, and tho’ we haven’t yet ‘heard’ it, we expect it with the FBI as Scott B speculated to Casey that her parents probably wouldn’t be too happy with him, when videos get released either.
Say… speaking of close adult friends of little Caylee… did Caylee ever have a godparent or godparents??
I wonder if they say a little prayer of ‘thank you’ to their baby granddaughter every time they write a check or whip out the credit card . . . I doubt it.
Ouch. Sad. True.
B
After reading Blink’s comment, I went and read the DC transcript. Dear me, i think I see where George learned to answer questions not asked, pretend to misunderstand questions, head down rabbit trails with obfuscating information, etc. I noticed in the transcript that at one point the police agent warned DC that they already knew the answers to the questions they were asking. Nevertheless they didn’t get much real information out of DC. I wonder how much was left off the record?
but i have a question for the legal eagles;
Why DID Baez put George on the stand? My understanding is that a lawyer doesn’t put someone on the stand (especially his own witness) unless he knows what he is going to say. If he knew George was going to testify that LEONARD AND CREW WERE THERE TO PROTECT US and that he didn’t know about any of the other stuff, does that come close to subborning perjury? I know that defense council has more leeway with the truth, but they can’t actually put someone on the stand knowing they will lie, can they?
Or is all of this the set-up? Are they doing this on purpose to set George up for the BUS?
He did know what he was going to say. It is against his obligations as a sworn officer of the court to subjorn perjury, so I would suggest he was “coached.”
That said, he had no idea that Ms. Drane Burdick was ready with conflicting information. I can tell you some contacts I have spoken to, were equally surprised of some things she was aware of, so I can tell you Baez was as well. What he failed at, was coaching the witness for cross..
AND
WE just saw a few impeachable issues he is going to have a difficult time overcomimg going foward.
B
I was surprised by George’s behaviour yesterday as I thought things had gone so well at the depo’s per Conway and Baez. Civilized etc.
These people really believe that they are above the law. That smirk on George’s face, that tilt of his head,I literally grind my teeth. Do they know that this if for real. That you can’t lie to the court without some sort of consequences or does he still think that people have some sort of sympathy for him.
And does he not own a pair of slacks, for the love, this is a court, not a bbq.
Now your going to make look again, I thought he broke out the dockers yesterday.
B
Blink, sorry, what does that mean impeachable, and who are we talking about, Baez.
I know it may sound stupid, but am not really familiar with legal terms, but you guys, Wow.
If George gives false testimony and the state has contradictory facts and is proven correct, his testimony is impeached or could face perjury charges.
B
Guys, something is bothering me – about George and Cindy been whitnesses for the prosecution …I know this is suppose to be better scenario for all of us standing on Caylee’s side ..I see Cindy had shut up, changed the meds or else, George is out of control and highly uncoachable..How would that play out if he doesnt stop lying ?
# 202 Carolyne S :”I think George is volunteering to go under the bus. If he can confuse the jury, he would do time for perjury if it means Casey going free ”
I do like Carolyne’s posts a lit , this one just gave me the chills …is does look logical , is there a legal option for such a turn ?
212 Blink
I’m surprised you missed that. That is one of the events I had in mind in my “Brad Conway” comment on the other thread. He tries to portray them as reasonable people and almost immediately they do something to show how empty Conway’s assurances are.
On December 19, a press conference was held to say remains were positively identified as those of Caylee Marie Anthony. Brad Conway read a statement that included,
“We would like to thank crime scene investigators for their exhaustive efforts. The Anthonys want the same answers as everyone who has been assigned to investigate and prosecute this case. In an effort to determine the truth, the Anthony family will be available to law enforcement as the investigation continues.”
On December 20, LE served a second search warrant on the Anthony home. According to Dominic Casey, George told Detective John Allen, “Take your f****** flunkies and get outta here.”
You were surprised? I may need some therapy for such an oversight. Then I thought, perhaps George was looking in the mirror when he said it.
B
Re: Why no searchers smelled Caylee’s remains
One of the points made in the Skeleton Dispersal report released on June 19 is that skeletonization of an adult corpse occurs rapidly (2-4 weeks) when the corpse is outside in hot tropical climates. A child’s body will skeletonize even faster. An example given was that of a 12.5 year old female from Mississippi who went missing in August for 10 days; when her remains were found, they were almost completely skeletonized.
Caylee’s tiny 35-40 pound body was left in the Suburban woods in mid-June. Her corpse was probably dispersed and completely skeletonized (or nearly so) within two – certainly by the time Cindy found Casey on July 15.
If searchers had walked up to the tree line on Suburban on the following day, July 16, there would not have been any putrifying flesh to smell. They wouldn’t have smelled anything except swamp.
Cadaver dogs would have been able to smell the remains, but no cadaver dogs were deployed near that wooded lot.
You know something Blink, grieving father and grandfather aside, George Anthony just isn’t very bright. I wonder what kind of a cop he was in Ohio.
I find his self question and answer excercises daunting. Who does that?
B
kleat i have been looking for that moment where cindy is rude and guilty as hell and defensive about them finding caylee,andshe mentions the winnie pooh blanket,that moment was so telling to me and i have been trying to find it again where do i find it ? i thought i saw it on tv.
Re: George’s claim that Cindy told him, “We lost her” on the night of July 15
I don’t know if Cindy used that expression sometime later in the evening, but George’s recollection of what Cindy said to him when he first arrived home on July15 (a recollection he reported to LE on July 24) is not what Cindy actually said.
Here is what George remembered about the night of July 15 when he first got home:
“I got home at ten minutes to ten. That’s when my wife was standing outside, walk, pacing back and forth in the driveway. The car’s still inside the garage. And my wife fell apart. She said, “George, we lost her. We lost her.” And I said, “Lost who? Lost who?” She said, “Caylee, Caylee.” (July 24 OCSO interview, page 27)
Only Cindy actually said, “George, Caylee’s missing!” We can know that for a certainty because George got home when Cindy was talking to the 911 dispatcher, and their initial exchange is on the tape. The call started at 9:41pm and George arrived 90 seconds into the call, so he got home on July 15 around 9:43pm:
Dispatch: What is her date of birth?
Cindy: Um, 8 . . . 8-9-200-, oh, God, she’s three – 2005. George, Caylee’s missing!
George: What?
Cindy: Caylee’s missing! Casey said Zani took her a month ago. She’s been missing for a month . . . .
***
It could be that at a later point in the evening Cindy fell apart and said, “George, we lost her,” and a week-and-a-half later, George erred in thinking Cindy used that phrase when he first got home.
Or it could be that Cindy never used the phrase, “we lost her,” but that is the phrase George “remembered.”
If Cindy never used that phrase (prior to July 24), then I find it very interesting that George, looking back, believed she used a phrase that connoted a much more ominous phrase than “Caylee’s missing.” And I can’t forget that it was in the same July 24 OCSO interview in which George was on the verge of despair, needing to speak to OCSO without Cindy’s or Lee’s knowledge, and said he believed that the smell in the car was the smell of human decomposition but he couldn’t allow himself to believe it was Caylee. It was also the interview in which he was so upset that he vomited.
I don’t believe Cindy used the phrase, “We lost her” on the night of July 15 or for a long time after (if she ever used it). But I believe George knew on July 24 that Caylee was lost in the permanent sense (even if he could only get up to the idea of it without fully accepting it) and that’s why he “remembered” Cindy’s saying Caylee was lost.
Agreed. And dont forget he pulls the responding officer aside and tells him he thinks Casey may be hiding something the eve of the 15th.
B
Blink- #212
I alluded to George’s nasty comment in a recent post. The guy is DESPICABLE.
I believe it was in the post where I was making a point about Dom Casey OBVIOUSLY being sent to the Hidden Oaks location by CINDY ANTHONY (who had/has not received immunity). Dominic was cross-examined better during that interview than George was cross-examined yesterday by Drane-Burdick.
George Anthony is pathetic. He is absolutely, 100% PATHETIC. He enjoys not having to bounce from crappy security guard job to crappy security guard job so much that he is willing to PRETEND that he doesn’t KNOW that Casey KILLED Caylee. (There is no way that this family does not have very, very dark secrets which we are not aware of; this man is as sick as they come).
I spent a whole post going over just how many blatant discrepancies there were in his accounts of something so simple as WHERE CINDY WAS when she told him that Caylee was “MISSING”.
Let him lie like a cheap rug on the stand under cross. It’s how Drane-Burdick handles it that matters. (And she had better be more prepared to handle him than she was yesterday) (WE who watch the case and discuss the details were well aware, but someone who only catches NG/JVM/GVS, etc would perhaps not pick up on it so easily).
*****
Shelly (j.g.) #167
I will not speak for Baez. Who, in their right mind, would? His confidence is astounding, because his legal skills are appalling. He has no business representing someone accused of Murder.
Lyons, on the other hand, is strongly committed to anti-DP ideals. It is not Casey, so much, that she is fighting for, but rather her convictions on how much power the State can use against its citizens, including each and every of us.
We may or may not agree with her ideals, but she is not alone in her crusade. There are many Americans who are anti-DP, for the reason that it is an irreversible sentence once it has been carried out. People have been freed after spending 20 yrs in prison, because of new forensic findings that have absolutely, 100% shown them to have been wrongly convicted. Had they been put to death… there is no way to right that wrong. It would be naive of us to believe that the government has never put an innocent man or woman to death.
Anyway, this is her deal. She is concerned with the rights of the individual against the awesome power of the State. Even when I may disagree with someone like her, I am grateful for their existence, because they serve as a check on the balance of power.
Getting back to the case:
Notice how you haven’t heard much in the way of Jesse Grund is the “real nanny/killer” since the State released his records?
Shift in approach to include/focus on Tony (as I predicted)– and/or possibly some stranger who showed up to join the search efforts– much?
What does that tell you.
Scatter-shot. Mud at the wall. See what sticks.
Like I said, only a LACK OF IMAGINATION will sink it for the State. They must be prepared to quickly and easily refute all garbage theories (and they must not allow themselves to get so easily flustered by Baez, who clearly relies upon taking cheap pot shots in lieu of properly practicing law).
I am not so confident in their ability to handle the scatter-shot after watching oral argument yesterday. I was disheartened to watch Drane-Burdick initially stumble through her response to Baez on the Motion concerning Leonard.
Not saying Baez will win that Motion– to the contrary, I think its obvious that he is going to lose that one. Just saying that she needs to stay focused on HER argument and not be drawn onto Baez’ playing field.
As to the judge.
He is allowed to watch TV, folks.
I think what many found irksome about the judge yesterday was his appearance of impartiality.
Just as lawyers are bound by the Rules of Professional Conduct (and can be disciplined for breach of same), judges are bound by the Code of Judicial Conduct.
One of the key rules is that the judge must give an “APPEARANCE of IMPARTIALITY”. (Think about the statue of “Justice” with the blindfold). The purpose of this rule is to promote public confidence in the integrity of the judicial system. We have to believe that both sides get a fair shot from the “referee” if you will.
(And if you are still annoyed, Try to remember that this is the judge who set Casey’s bail at over $500,000.00, and who commented that, in his opinion, Casey had no intention of helping investigators find Caylee; that what he heard–particularly the testimony of the smell of DECOMP in the vehicle who could not have come from anyone else but Caylee– would keep him up that night.)
The lawyers are the advocates. It is up to them to persuade and convince.
The judge is there to govern the process, and be fair (as possible) while he is at it.
Silver-
Bravo. I hope everyone takes the time to read that post. Important to note that Jeff Ashton may well have a heart attack in the first week if he does not stop taking Baez bait. If anyone has watched Boston Legal, he reminds me of the very affectionate lawyer (name escapes me) played opposite James Spader who has assbergers syndrom and needs that wooden pencilish thing to focus in court, but when he busts it out, he is like “super lawyer.”
I am not sure I think Burdick was as unprepared as she was not wanting to “go at” George yet, picking her battle so to speak, but I do think Ashton should have taken cross.
I will say it again for the 11tyith time, if Mac makes it out of disbarrment, voluntary or otherwise, he is going to eat the state alive. He is a brilliant litigator without a lick of criminal case experience (except his own, arguably, facing right now). He is suave, charismatic, and a master at telling you you ordered tea when you really ordered coffee and now you like tea like you never thought you could.
B
Originally Posted by Tony Padilla
Jose produced false documention and NEVER made us aware that this would be filed in court. Nobody has told me that I can’t say anything especially something that is truthful. He referred to us as a “cast of characters” today. That’s fine but I’m going to defend my credibility no matter how big his ego is.
Why isn’t Baez being questioned? now? or on friday after the hearing? I don’t get the law in Florida? It is very different than in California, although I had to move from there. I thought it was BASICALLY the same in the whole US of A.?
Oh. And the Woolworths by me? Swivel bar stools with light BLUE seat cushions;)
Fries and a Cherry Coke;)
Those were the days=)
BAM
I knew it.. Twirling on the stool till I got yelled at, lol
I have questions concerning what happens when a body is submerged for an extended period of time. If Caylee’s body was left in an area that later became submerged under water, would her skeletonized remains have stayed relatively localized? I expect it would depend, in part, on the area that was covered. It seems that if a body (especially a small body) was left in the open for several months, then the area was flooded, that the skeletal remains would be likely be scattered in a larger area, unless they were weighted down. Also, would tape and hair have remained on a skeleton that was submerged? Did they ever disclose whether the tape was the standard or deluxe/water proof version? Also, are there forensic tests that can be done on bone to determine whether the bone has been submerged for an extended period of time? I suspect that there are scientific tests that will be able to answer the questions.
The defense is obviously trying to use whether or not the area was flooded/submerged to their advantage. I don’t think that it matters, either way, to tell the truth. There is too much additional evidence against Casey. The searchers were covering a very large area, looking for a very tiny person. It is conceivable that she could have been there all the time, whether or not the area was flooded, and gone undetected. This brings up another issue…if Caylee was (partially or completely) buried at the location where they found her (dirt or leaves/debris), and THEN water came and eroded the “grave”, that would explain the uncovering of her remains, and also how they might have remained in a localized area
There is a zero percent chance that argument will fly and they know it. The bone disbursement pattern in the recovery area combined (sorry) with the KNOWN animal activity, I am being intentionally non-graphic, but on occasion I would really like to scream it in the face of the Anthonys and then ask them how they keep up this farce.
B
I’d guess that Baez had no choice but to call George. He could NOT call Casey, take a chance on Cindy, he played the best card he had but obviously, ill-prepared for ‘HIS’ motion defense. George, the kindly grey-haired granddad, was a savy, experienced witness, given his LE career experience and should have come off as credible, but for what came out of his mouth! He couldn’t do much but repeat sentences when he lost his place in the script.
He could not call on any of the Padilla crew, those bridges were long since burned. He could have called himself, doing a comedy routine asking the Q, flipping over the stand to the witness box, answering, flipping back over… next Q….
He seemed to think he could control everything by offering Witness to state A, B, and C, but not expect that his lack of arguments in support of the motion as written by himself (relying on Ms. D-B here) would be noticed and just ‘go away’. He didn’t prepare very well, if Ms. B-D was right.
Have to hand it to Ms. Lyon for keeping an interested but otherwise non-reactive expression, as she had to be cringing inside from some of this.
LOL– you guys have better memories than I do about Woolworth’s… not sure if they are even in Canada anymore. But they were part of our culture too, stools, counter, milkshake makers and all.
But Todd Mac is doing his thing,he’s arguing, he’s making an argument… if he says ‘she is innocent’ often enough, has some foolish notions to go along with, they might make some headway with the jury pool poisoning. And they probably have NO set defense plan yet… too much casting and reeling in going on yet, and if Judge Strickland complies, they will be able to set a TES DRIFT NET.
Is it totally out of the realm of reality to think that George would possibly admit to killing Caylee in his effort (or because Cindy told him to) to keep Casey out of prison? Does anyone think he would actually go that far? And if he did say that, how would the state deal with it? He did say that he would die for Caylee way back when. Wonder if he’d die (or spend the rest of his life in prison) for Casey?!
1994, Woolworth’s Stores survived in Canada til then.
Can’t wait for Silverspnr’s reviews of yesterday’s activities to give us food for thought (not from Ww’s counter–)
If part of Baez privacy agreement was to have him or family members presents when anyone spoke to Casey why did George say “He doesn’t ease drop on conversations.” And when Ms. Burdick said Is it a possibility that Casey spoke with this crew behind closed doors. George said “that was a possibility.” What are they trying to say? George doesn’t know what he is saying because of his mental state and any testimony he gave may have been hampered by his mental state so it is inadmissable? George contradicted himself on cross exam by Ms. Burdick. He is the only Family member to say he smelled death in the car trunk at the begining of all this. And I believe he testified to this at the Grand Jury hearing. Although none of us can know what happen during the Grand Jury.
Don’t forget the Hurricane that came ripping through Florida in August.
The bones would have also been moved around due to the weather conditions,imagine the ocean with the tide coming in and out and how it would move the bones just as if they were small seashells being moved by the waves in the ocean.
The week of November 15th is going to be key in this case.
The time in which DC made his tape, and the fact that Cindy “states” to the police in December that “SHE SENT” people out there and they “FOUND NOTHING”. Isn’t she incriminating herself and her cohorts by making that statement if Baez’s theory is that the body wasn’t there in August when TES searched out there but rather put there after Casey was locked up. Couldn’t she be incriminated as to the fact that “SHE” – Cindy had DC put the body out there?
oh…. already posted, and an excellent review too. I missed what D-B missed in her performance, as I have absolutely no way to do that, without help. Thanks
!!
ChicagoJudy, hey there’s an idea– George would get three squares a day and probably have access to the food channel from time to time. He could expect his old friend Dennis to drop by once in awhile to keep him up with boating news.
Another thought to throw out there. Cindy is speaking to Casey and Casey says give me one more day and Cindy says I’ve given you a whole month. Then Cindy calls 911. Is the Defense looking at the Families lives are in danger and Cindys call to 911 made the who ever kill Caylee right aft the call? Casey went to Jail the next day. I really hope the State has some firm evidence from the burial site on suburban and or the car trunk. The one thing I am sure of is the hair that was found in the trunk of Caseys car. But the other thing is that the Car was not taken into evidence right away. And can remenber Lee laughing about that fact.