Caylee/Casey Case: Dominic Casey Takes Stand in Zenaida Gonzalez Case
Orlando, FL– Dominic Casey, private investigator for Casey Anthony and George and Cindy Anthony, took the stand today in the civil case against Casey for Zenaida Gonzalez.
Uhoh. Motion Denied without prejudice to compel Dominick Casey to testify in the civil case against Casey Anthony.
However, we have some discrepancies from Mr. Casey. In his interview on January 7, 2009 with Orange County Sheriff’s Office, Dominic Casey states he has contracts with George, Cindy, Jose Baez and Casey Anthony.
These are the dates given:
Jose Baez– July 29, 2008, terminated by Dominic on October 1, 2008.
Casey Anthony– September 12, 2008
The Anthony’ s– “sometime before the contract and after Jose Baez.” Once Baez blocked contact with Casey after October 12.
For reasons unknown, on the stand today, he gave these dates:
Jose Baez– July 27, 2008 to present.
Casey Anthony– “sometime in early September”
George and Cindy Anthony’s– July 27th, but agreement in October.
HEH?
The discrepancies beg the question.. Is it a coincidence that the agreement with Jose Baez is dated the same day as the opening of the first trust account at Sun Trust Bank, and the agreement with Casey directly is dated the day it was closed by the bank on September 12?
Judge Rodriguez also intimated he will be making a decision on whether to delay the trial until after the murder trial much sooner than expected.
Prediction: The Civil Case will be put on the back burner.
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#891 Ragdoll
Yep, George and Cindy did love Caylee. Not even their biggest detractors say otherwise. Their love, as far as we see it, appears to be rather a too pragmatic version of devotion, however. They’ve “moved on”… in Cindy’s words. As we saw it happening early on in the story, it’s quite chilling.
On what is their expediency based? Guilt? Greed? Has Princess convinced them that it was an unavoidable accident given their family dynamics? Wonder how or if she was able to explain the duct tape… in smuggled letters to her parents? Was anything in the autopsy a surprise to Cindy and George?
Interesting were your comments about Casey’s objectifying men and manipulating them. (She and Cindy appear to me to share a certain flirty sensibility with men.) Casey looks adroit in keeping a few of them in line and off balance with her seeming interest in them. (Just going by her texts.) Of course, her promise of sexual availability seals the deal. The fact that her “boys”, whom we’ve seen in the case, appear to be no deeper than a casserole dish makes one wonder how much mature manipulative talent it would take to keep them simmering on the back burner until needed. A lot of smart guys might have passed her up right smartly within a few minutes. J.P. certainly had no use for her. Ryan P. had her number since childhood. Stretching a bit, one might add to the thanks-but-no-thanks list the mysterious missing sperm doner.
In a kind of a twist, it’s interesting that Ms. Mata Hari seems to be a romantic kind of teeny pushover with her last boyfriend. Her notebook scribblings linking her name to his with appropriate dotted hearts, I’m sure, are strictly a middle-school exercise. She didn’t seem to have much of an upper hand with him, either. He could make her cry by “pushing her buttons” which he claimed to enjoy doing.
She is certainly a contradiction in terms. Or maybe just stuck in the eighth grade emotionally and intellectually. I want to see those school records. High school personnel, in my experience, do not wait until a week before graduation to inform parents that a student will not be graduating with her class because she’s a half credit short. Something doesn’t compute.
The following is from the Orlando Sentinel. Cindy is at it again!!!!!! BTW she is NOT posting here but most of this was posted before. I don’t think she has the guts to be here.
“To all you people who worship OCSO and the Persecution office who are crucifying Casey with no jurisprudence: Let me ask you some questions:
Where are the Witnesses? Where is the Video Tape? Where is a Confession? Where is the Motive? Where is the Weapon? Where are the Fingerprints? Where is the Soil match? Where is the photograph of the alleged heart shape? Where is the DNA? Where is the drug evidence? Where is a prior criminal record? Where is a history of child abuse?
What you think they have: An “air test?” The testimony of a Police dog? A dead snake? Irrelevant photos taken BEFORE Caylee was missing. A body mysteriously “appearing” in an area that had been thoroughly searched. An unaccounted for Father. A jealous boyfriend? Judgment of a Frightened and Traumatized Young Mother’s actions. The testimony of a witness implicating someone other than Casey. The opinions of a media crazed, red neck bounty hunter? Untrained, jealous fat women galloping through the woods trampling on evidence? Reams of Junk Science? Reasonable doubt? When will this nonsense end? This witch hunt is costing the taxpayers a fortune. WAKE UP SHEEPLE! God Bless
OrlandoEAST (09/26/2009, 10:32 AM )”
Someone should send that to Brad-
B
Maura, no Baez didn’t have to fabricate the story. But weren’t those lab notes released along with this evidence destruction (we’ll have to see if it fits that def. for courts) what Linda K-B argued so hard to get in court March 12th? (they have Bench notes in NY, so she wanted the state to provide them along with proceedures etc)
That document would have come from defense’s request of the FBI and been revealed by the defense in their latest motion, or as a pre-view to the press.
MsEnscene, good point about school records. If the state doesn’t have all already, the dp lawyer certainly will want everything (as per her own paper advising complete history of the accused–oops, not ‘the accused’ but ‘the client’).
Preview of the coming book as reviewed by TV guy:
http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/entertainment_tv_tvblog/2009/09/casey-anthony-wkmg-gives-thumbsup-to-casey-anthony-book.html
#902 ada/blink
I’m not so certain that Cindy, or any agent (friend) of the defense or the Anthonys does not post here or on the affiliate site. How about that story that someone wrote about that came from SL? I wasn’t there to hear it. Was any of it verified or authenticated, or was it a story designed to replicate a similar situation and “teach” a new perspective? Sorry for the cynicism, but if it were real, I’d guess Blink would have posted something already. Also, at times , I have come across other postings, not aggressive in tone like the OrlandoEast posts are, but they have a whiff of unbelievability in terms of how much the behavior (31 days) is accepted by the poster, or at least the reason for acceptance. If someone felt that Casey was mentally ill, I might swallow that as a reason for the delay; but a “frightened” Casey doesn’t fly in contrast to her behavior in front of the Padilla crew, Tim Miller, and in the jail tapes.
If these posts are Cindy’s, I think Conway already knows about them. He doesn’t strike me as a stupid man.
As an aside, some of the the questions are insane:
Where are the Witnesses? … MANY murders occur without witnesses, especially in cases where mothers kill their own children, unless the other parent is also involved. This makes it sound as though most murders have an audience.
Where is the Video Tape?… How many murders are videotaped? Other than the occasional street violence scenario, or in the snuff industry?
Where is a Confession?…Again, does every murderer confess? The prisons are full of the self described “innocent”
Where is a history of child abuse?….Inexplicably, there are plenty of mothers that end up killing their children without any documentation of prior abuse. Also, in this case, the abuse, in my opinion, is a certain level of neglect or indifference. Casey was a mother who dropped her kid off, at every opportunity, with anyone who would babysit, even though she didn’t have any obligations or responsibilities to attend to.
Untrained, jealous fat women galloping through the woods trampling on evidence?….This one is simply nasty, there clearly were people sincerely looking to find this missing child, and the poster resorts to cattiness in referencing the appearance (which must be VERY important, to OE, apparently) of people that volunteered to help. Who on earth were they jealous of? Altruism , self sacrifice and volunteerism must be alien concepts to OrlandoEast. I guess beauty and self preservation are king??
Judgment of a Frightened and Traumatized Young Mother’s actions….Um, really? Not just bad judgment but actions so contrary to the before mentioned emotional state, it would be laughable if it weren’t so serious .
A jealous boyfriend?….Okay, that might make some sense if there wasn’t all this innuendo about a conspiracy involving the police and FBI to “frame’ her. Plus, if OE is talking about Jesse, why would poor frightened Casey go to Jesse’s house to take a leisurely shower with the door open?
Okay, enough, I am taking another self-imposed sabbatical from this nonsense.
I hope a Blinker in Orlando is ( or will be? Pretty please?) keeping copies of all the “Orlando East” posts.
They came come in handy, sometime…
ada, tell Orlando East we aint buyin her/his BS…it is so funny to me I go on all kind of web blogs reading and searching and you always see just ONE person out of thousands making these absord post.
thanks for shoring these here…
opps sharing!
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/caylee-anthony/orl-loccasey-anthony-09-26-09092609sep26,0,6766480,comment-display-all.story
903 Kleat
Here is the timeline for the defense’s request for bench notes, standards, communications, and data between OCSO and Oak Ridge, FBI, and other expert witnesses:
January 28, 2009 – Motion filed by Jose Baez to compel bench notes, standards, CVs, data, communications, chain-of-custody reports, etc.
March 12, 2009 – The motion filed on January 28 was argued during a hearing before Judge Strickland. ASA Jeff Ashton claimed the SAO was not responsible for getting that information for the defense and that the defense needed to make the request themselves directly to the FBI. Linda Kenney Baden argued that in her experience, the FBI, pursuant to its policies, will not release discovery material directly to private attorneys and will only release the requested information to prosecutors, who then provide the information to private attorneys. Judge Strickland accepted ASA Ashton’s claim and ordered the defense to get the materials directly from the FBI. Ashton provided Kenney-Baden with the name of the FBI contact and her alleged phone number (the number was incorrect).
March 17, 2009 – Linda Kenney Baden wrote to Amanda Choi, Assistant General Counsel, FBI, advising Choi of the March 12 hearing, ASA Ashton’s claim that the FBI would provide discovery directly to defense counsel, and Judge Strickland’s ruling. Choi confirmed via phone what Kenney-Baden had claimed at the hearing – the FBI will not release discovery directly to defense counsel but only to prosecutors. Nevertheless, Kenney-Baden explained in her letter to Choi that Judge Strickland had ruled the defense must attempt to acquire the discovery directly from the FBI before turning the issue back to the court. To that end, Kenney-Baden wrote a formal letter to Choi that included a list of the requested discovery in the FBI’s possession so that Choi could determine whether the requested information was covered by the Privacy Act. The letter was faxed on March 17 and sent via FedEx overnight on the same day. Jose Baez and Jeff Ashton were cc’d on the letter.
April 7, 2009 – Linda Kenney-Baden again wrote to Amanda Choi because Kenney-Baden had not received a response from the FBI to Kenney-Baden’s March 17 formal request for FBI discovery. Kenney-Baden requested a timeframe for the FBI’s response and included a copy of the FedEx confirmation showing the March 17 letter had been delivered to Quantico before noon on March 18.
April 10, 2009 – Amanda Choi sent a fax to Linda Kenney-Baden saying Choi had spoken to ASA Jeff Ashton, who asked the FBI to treat Kenney-Baden’s discovery requests as if the requests had come directly from him. Choi agreed to do so but explained to Kenney-Baden that the FBI discovery would disseminated to Jeff Ashton and that any additional defense requests for FBI information should be given to Jeff Ashton, not directly to the FBI.
July 22, 2009 – None of the requested FBI discovery had been shared by either the SAO or FBI to the defense, but the defense sent another request to Amanda Choi asking that specific information regarding the FBI’s chloroform testing be included with the information the defense had already asked for.
July 23, 2009 – Attorneys Jose Baez and Andrea Lyon received an email from ASA Linda Drane-Burdick stating, “I recognize that over Ms. Baden’s objection my co-counsel has indicated that she should contact the FBI directly for items in their possession. The FBI is not comfortable with this procedure, so I would respectfully ask that all requests for documents from them come to me. They are currently working on all Ms. Kenney Baden’s requests and I will update you (and her) as to the status as quickly as I receive the information.”
***Linda Drane-Burdick (murder case) and Frank George (check fraud case) are intelligent, professional, straight-shooting attorneys who are tainted by Jeff Ashton’s infantile game-playing in and out of the courtroom. Not without reason did Drane-Burdick, in the same email, ask that all future defense requests be directed ONLY TO HER and promise to respond to defense requests in a timely manner. ***
August 20, 2009 – Attorneys Andrea Lyon, Jose Baez, and Linda Kenney-Baden filed a 91-page motion detailing their attempts to acquire specific discovery and noted that as of August 20, 2009, none of the requested FBI discovery they had been trying to obtain since the March 12 hearing had been received by the defense. The motion included copies of all above-referenced correspondence.
September 17, 2009 – Andrea Lyon filed her motion to dismiss the case on the grounds of spoliation of evidence. This motion was filed with several other lengthy motions, so I would say it was not written in a rush.
September 24, 2009 – WKMG-Local 6 News obtained a report that the heart-shaped outline on the duct tape was destroyed during testing; the residue was noticed by only one person, was not photographed, and was obliterated when the tape was powdered for prints.
So did Andrea Lyon (who certainly authored the “Spoliation” motion) know about the destruction of the heart before she wrote that motion? Possibly, but not necessarily. The defense had not received that correspondence log as of August 20, and whether she had it or not prior to September 17, Andrea Lyon would have written the motion to dismiss on the grounds that defense experts had not been allowed into the woods before the lot had been excavated.
It could have been just good timing for the defense that the spoliation motion was already in Baez’s hands or already handed to the Clerk of Court when the SAO handed over the FBI correspondence log a few days later. I am trying to decide whether Lyon would have mentioned the destruction of the heart by the FBI if she had known about it before she finished the spoliation motion. It helps to make the point that the destruction of evidence doesn’t need to be done in bad faith to harm the defendant, but on the other hand, I don’t know that she would have wanted to call attention to an example that involved destruction of evidence that helped the prosecution. There is no doubt that the defense is thrilled with the loss of that heart because they’ve made public statements claiming the heart never existed.
Nevertheless, the loss of the heart does help the defense make its point about destruction of evidence and the inadequacy of photographs to preserve a record of evidence. I’m sure the CSIs at the crime scene and the MEs in the OC examining room took dozens, even hundreds, of photographs of the skull showing the placement of the duct tape, but if the heart was so faint that the FBI examiner only noticed it under an alternate light source or under a microscope, then there is little chance that any of the duct tape photographs captured the heart. And if the government unintentionally destroyed inculpatory evidence, well.
If investigators were sloppy in destroying the heart-shape on the duct tape without having first documented it photographically, what might investigators have destroyed at the Suburban lot? Even though the CSIs took photographs of each area before excavating, who could claim with 100% certainty that every bit of evidence on the scene was captured in photographs and that no exculpatory evidence unnoticed by a CSI was inadvertently destroyed as the area was processed?
Judge Strickland is not going to grant the motion to dismiss simply because the defense experts were not allowed on the crime scene before it was processed, but I do believe a good piece of evidence was lost. Yes, the FBI examiner can be called to the stand, but the defense will be able to cross-examine her and raise issues of FBI inattention and incompetence in processing and preserving evidence. When I watched news footage of the crime scene during December 11-20, I saw lots of FBI jackets, and since we in the US are sort of conditioned to think of the FBI as the cream of the countries investigating agencies, Lyon will be able to introduce some doubt as to the competence of the investigators who worked the crime scene. Beyond a reasonable doubt? Not likely, but just as every little piece of circumstantial evidence helps the SAO, so every little bit of justified doubt helps the defense.
http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/entertainment_tv_tvblog/2009/09/casey-anthony-wkmg-gives-thumbsup-to-casey-anthony-book.html
I have placed my order for this book due out in November, call me crazy I know, but in this article it poste this:
“DeForest interviewed Fanning, who said the Anthony story is so odd that readers wouldn’t believe it in a mystery novel. Fanning, who has written other true-crime books, said she hoped the Anthony book will “help people understand the red flags so that it will help someone save another child’s life.”
this statement holds something very personal to me, 7 months prior to this case regarding Caylee, my own daughter became pregnant, it was a very difficult time for my daughter most importantly and me, my daughter knew in her heart that she was not willing or able to raise her precious angel, my daughter gave her baby up for adoption, this killed me inside and still does, but I know in my heart my daughter was brave and wanted the best for her baby, and I thank God everytime I read about Casey & Caylee that my daughter did the right thing, I have nightmares about this story thinking about what if I pressured her into keeping her baby could this have happened, not saying my daughter was a monster just saying she was not ready to have a baby she was 20 and single and no where ready to handle a baby by herself.
I was a single mother of 3 for 15 years, the stress and saddness and burden was at times very difficut, so I competely understand the pressure, not saying at all that it was justified what Casey did just saying I understand the concept.
If Cindy would have just recognized the signs saw that Casey was not able and willing to carry this heavy burden thing might not have turned out the way they did.
I am so happy to report my daughter is doing great and lives her life in a manner in which when her baby decides to come back in her life she can say I did this for you becuase I loved you and I wanted more for you, and I worked everyday of my life to become a better person so it was not all in vein…she is my hero!
I wish so much the outcome for lil Caylee could have been the same…shame on these Grandparents (Grand is the understatement of the year) for not standing up for their Grandchild. How does one do that?
on a second note: I researched the author of this book before I bought it, she claims no gain to the Anthony’s, I hope that is the truth.
oh and by the way it only cost a few bucks so who cares IF cindy gets $0.60 she can use that to buy a new charm from Claires at the mall or an envelope of tanning solution at the local tanning salon but not enough to buy a pack of Hubba Bubba bubble gum
opps and a bottle of water to was down the lies, Evian is making a killing off this lady
Today a three page web article is published about Brad Conway as his own star rises with the help of the Anthony clients media attraction.
http://www.floridatoday.com/article/20090916/NEWS01/909160332
oh no wait…has to be Dentine Ice to mask the smell of Dog DooDoo comign out of her mouth, hence the coverig of her mouth in her 48 Hours Special, can you tell I P’oed lie lie lie Why Why Why?????
This is a section of a long but very good article about difficulties with forensic interpretation. The whole article is at the link.
The Chicago Tribune
By Flynn McRoberts, Steve Mills and Maurice Possley
Tribune staff reporters
October 17, 2004
“FBI’s fingerprint fiasco
Though lip prints may never be widely used or accepted, fingerprints have both a long history and the stamp of approval in courts and in the public consciousness. Yet a century of their use in solving crimes obscures a sobering reality: Despite claims that the discipline is an infallible science, it is neither infallible nor a science.
No standards exist for what portion of a fingerprint must be recovered before it is suitable for comparison. At most crime scenes, the police usually find only a fraction of a fingerprint, and that latent print, as it is called, frequently is smudged or otherwise distorted, making it difficult to compare.
Just as troubling, no research exists to say if people share fingerprint patterns–whether a few points of similarity or many.
Theoretical problems are just one issue. In 1995, one of the only independent proficiency tests of fingerprint examiners in U.S. crime labs found that nearly a quarter reported false positives, meaning they declared prints identical even though they were not–the sort of mistakes that can lead to wrongful convictions or arrests.
A recent episode in the war on terrorism underscored these shortcomings.
On May 6, federal prosecutors strode into a courthouse in Portland, Ore., and claimed the FBI had made a “100 percent positive identification” linking a local lawyer to a fingerprint found on a bag connected to terrorist bombings in Madrid.
Within weeks, the same prosecutors were forced to return to the courtroom and admit an international humiliation: The fingerprint analysis that led to the arrest of Brandon Mayfield was wrong.
But the FBI didn’t realize it until Spanish authorities linked the fingerprint to an Algerian man, Ouhnane Daoud.
Not just one but three FBI analysts, all seasoned veterans, had made the same mistake. A fourth expert independently appointed by the judge erred as well when he determined Mayfield’s prints were a match.
The Madrid fingerprint fiasco was one of the highest-profile embarrassments in the century since fingerprinting became one of the most trusted forensic tools, employed by police to catch everyone from burglars and car thieves to rapists and murderers.
In most cases, prints recovered at a crime scene are run through the FBI’s massive databank of prints taken from arrests around the country. After the databank spits out a pool of potential matches, fingerprint examiners compare each of those with the crime-scene print.
They look for points of similarity among the circular ridges and lines that make up a fingerprint. Once a match is made, a colleague double-checks the work.
The FBI has long claimed that fingerprint identification is infallible. A top FBI fingerprint official has testified to a “zero error rate.”"
http://www.courant.com/news/nationworld/chi-0410170393oct17,0,4964601.story?page=1
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It was because of the Mayfield fiasco that the FBI adopted its current 12-point minimum point match for quality assurance.
type “O’s” I know…sorry just angry right now typing and not thinking
#904 Kleat:
I am sure diminished capacity is one of the sphaghetti strands AL and Co. are preparing to toss against the wall to save her life. Yep, school records might help support that defense. I don’t trust what George told LE about no problems with her in school before senior year. IMO,covering for Casey is ingrained in this family for whatever reasons.
MsEnscene, agree that something somewhere showed up, but did George pay attention, or was he even allowed to pay attention to problems or issues with Casey. Didn’t George say something to the effect that they hoped to do better the second time, raising Caylee, as to suggest things didn’t turn out so well with Casey.
I just don’t understand the position the parents are taking in this, from the beginning– it’s like all or nothing. But maybe they are using Casey as the pawn in all this, just like Baez is using Casey.
Dee – bless you and your daughter!!! I am lucky to be the adoptive mom of an amazing (middle school age now) son who also has a very wise birthmother and family who loved him enough to do what was right for him. Caylee’s story has really resonated with me – I think that being an adoptive mom has something to do with that for me personally. Blessings to you both!
Maura, thank you for your great work on that one!! That is quite a run around between Strickland, the FBI, JA and the ASA. Great work as usual! Surely a lot more behind the scenes than just what we know from the hearings.
About the ‘heart shape’ loss– if it were never there to begin with, no sticker attached, was the best position for the defense, are they now saying that a better position is that this heart shape was there, but the FBI ‘destroyed’ the evidence? Are they acknowledging the existence of the killer, someone else, placing a heart shaped sticker on the duct tape over the child’s mouth? So it had to be someone who loved her– or was sending some clear message, or ‘unclear’ message. Maybe the ‘heart shaped sticker’ killer did it and the FBI screwed up big time!
I’m still trying to learn more about finger print powders, and it seems there are choices for using a powder on some materials, but not other materials, such as paper. Paper, if not wet, can hold a print for a few decades (read something about 40 years). I’ve also read a little about pressure sensitive adhesives, and the adhesive is likely an acrylic. This is general info only of course, adhesives are often specific to the application, but who knows what variations occur for something like kid’s scrapbook or other stickers. It is possible that the adhesive becomes stronger over time, not weaker (acrylic polymers) and if they are water soluable early on, they may be more difficult to remove as time passes.
The FBI seemed to be rushing some of the tests? Am I right on this? An identification of the baby perhaps needed to be expedited, but without compromising the proceedure or results, to be fair to the family. But why rush at all, to get print results? Don’t understand the need to rush, unless there was a killer who needed to be stopped before killing again– this wasn’t likely the case here, whether it was Casey or not, the situation was targetted if we believe Casey’s story that she knew who had Caylee.
My question would be, was ‘evidence’ destroyed? Was the acrylic polymer adhesive changed chemically or physically by the fingerprint powder in a way that it was degraded or no longer existed? OR, was the appearance, ie: the surface characteristics of the adhesive, changed so that the only thing lost, was the ‘visual’ aspect of the adhesive? If the adhesive was not ‘destroyed’, what was really lost? Could a jury, with varying observation skills and quality of eyesight, ever see what some interpreted as a specific shape anyway?
What if the adhesive residue was able to still be identified as coming from pressure sensitive adhesive used in stickers ‘consistent with’ the adhesive on the Anthony sheets of stickers (which is NOT what was on that rare duct tape (and can’t possibly be confused). How would this adhesive get there if not from tape or stickers?
If the adhesive residue was so hard to define but from some trained eye noticing it, while another trained eye did not, then perhaps a jury would never have agreed it was there to begin with.
What if the FBI, and all of it’s resources for testing, can still identify an acrylic thin layer on that section of duct tape? Is the ‘shape’ more important, or is the identification of the adhesive for comparison more important? One is visual, one is chemical– is an eye witness more reliable, or is DNA more reliable?
Maybe this ‘destruction’ is a matter of point of view.
Will the state avoid the ‘heart-shaped sticker’ becoming the OJ glove? We can expect the defense to test every word of every report and every scrap of paper note of every piece of evidence.
Who is to say that a cross section of the duct tape was not taken or can not still be taken. (or some other non-destructive technique used to show whether acrylic adhesive was present or not.
The heart-shaped sticker did NOT suffocate this child, the duct tape may have.
Per Spindy/OrlandoEast:”Judgement of a frightened and traumatized young mother”
So I suppose going barhopping, nightclub surfing, and getting a ‘beautiful life’ tattoo is perfectly reasonable and understandible reactions of a frightened and traumatized mother while your child was, at the time, currently “missing”?
906 Westsidehudson!
High Five!!!!!! Loved it!!!! Wanted to say something myself…………couldn’t have said it better!
My biggest fear is that the detectives that found and witnessed the heart shaped sticker residue on the duck tape will be attacked by the defense.
I can see another Mark Kuhrman situation happening, I hope the prosecution has all their ducks in a row when coming to trial.
It will be fairly easy to question the Anthony’s to the point of exposing them as liars, which could be a deciding factor of credibility for anything they say.
I’ve read that there is overwhelming evidence for conviction and that the sticker residue isn’t necessary, but having watched the OJ case from start to finish my confidence in the judicial system has been compromised.
The detectives in this case are beyond reproach. I am positive the defense will try, as they are, but that would be a mistake.
B
Sorry, but I’m back…Most interesting Diane Fanning quote:
“There is an adage about writing true crime books and that is: you can always buy a story but the truth is never for sale.”
http://www.cayleedaily.com/2009/09/book-supplies-new-details-about-cindy-anthony-caseys-mother/#comments
Diane Fanning
September 26, 2009 at 7:42 pm
Connie, I am sure that the Anthony’s know about the book. I have no idea what their reaction is since they refused to speak to me. And that sort of answers Debi’s question, too. They didn’t talk to me. I gave them nothing and I don’t intend to ever give them anything. There is an adage about writing true crime books and that is: you can always buy a story but the truth is never for sale. I never have paid for an interview or paid a licensing fee to anyone involved in a story. The only time I ever paid a licensing fee was four years ago, when I purchased the rights to reprint a poem that was a favorite of the murder victim’s sister. LoriK, Glad you liked Women in Crime Ink. I am proud to be among that incredible group of women. To anyone that doesn’t want to buy my book that’s fine. You shouldn’t buy it. But I would ask that you look at the information I’ve provided and the work I’ve done on all ten of my true crime books and think about possibily giving me the benefit of the doubt. Thanks.
DianeFanning
September 26, 2009 at 11:34 pm
Patty Ann, Thanks for pointing out the typo. I’m going to go fix it as soon as I leave here.
Diane, I did not speak a mis-truth. I honestly planned to attend a trial while working on the book. My publisher planned a book to be published after a trial but they do not change their timeline when the trial date changes. The first time I was contacted by the media was months after I got the contract and by that time, the trial date had already been moved and everything had changed. I get creepies up and down my arms at the thought of being compared to KC. Eww! LOL
#918-Maura
I remember that. That’s why, especially in light of all of the defense experts standing in front of the recovery site on TV and demanding access (realistic or not), it’s incomprehensible that the sticker item was not photographed before, in some form. I would have thought that with all of the pressure on the state from opposing counsel that they might have covered their asses better. But humans are not infallible….
#920-MsEnscene
Aside from the idea that Casey might be a sociopath, which I am not necessarily convinced of, there is something “not right” with her, in my opinion.
#920-
The entire family appears pathologically driven to fabrications, to wit, George lying about the loss of money via the internet scam, Lee stating that his sister lies and then ” believe everything my sister tells me”, Cindy….well you all know, too numerous to list.
I wonder if that dynamic will be brought forth in the defense.
”I believe everything my sister tells me” (correction)
In regards to Casey not finishing high school (1/2 credit short). My daughters report cards show the accumulated credits she has earned since she started high school. And how does one end up a 1/2 credit short? Where we live, every glass is worth a whole credit. One either earns it or not. Just does not make good common sense.
I didn’t think one would be able to get a job a McDonalds with out a high school diploma or G.E.D., much less get a job at Universal. My guess is she lied on her employment application. Just another lie of hers. imo
I thought it was proven she did graduate.
B
My bad! I guess one can get a job at Mc Donalds without a high school diploma or G.E.D. But, most likely the person is still in high school.
Going to do laundry. Good day!
#906 – wsh – Right back at ya – Cindy. Well said wsh!
One more rant, and then off, for now.
“Untrained, jealous fat women galloping through the woods trampling on evidence?”
When did the Anthonys physically search for Caylee or any other missing child?
When they went to “visit” with Haleigh Cumings’ grandmother, they stood at a podium, and cried (mostly for themselves). They didn’t get into the down & dirty search through woods, etc. in excessive heat, as volunteers did for THEIR grandchild. They had a nice photo-op.
Have they volunteered for anything, other than handing out bears? Even then, it couldn’t be considered a voluntary action because they are on the payroll for their nonprofit. So it is a job.
It’s just so damned hypocritical.
I’m sorry , but since the licensing payment issue has emerged, I’m really quite perturbed. It has worn away some of my sympathy.
“A jealous boyfriend?”
This will be interesting. Because Tony Padilla said that Rev Grund was investigated, and paraphrasing, he doesn’t like him. I wonder what kind of dirt will come up at trial. Also, I’m making an educated guess that the investigation was performed by D Casey.
923 Kleat
From my reading of the FBI correspondence log, the DNA test on the bone was rushed over the weekend, but all other examinations were performed during regular working hours. I don’t believe the duct tape processing was a “rush” job although the FBI certainly knew OCSO wanted results as quickly as the FBI could provide them.
The current defense position is that the heart shape on the tape never existed, and for that reason, it’s not going to be in the interests of the defense to argue that the heart was lost by shoddy lab handling (which would involving admitting the heart was there to begin with). That’s why, I assume, the paperwork was leaked to WKMG by a member of the defense. Reporter Tony Pipitone was thereby able to report on the FBI’s failure to capture the heart photographically (indirectly helping to bolster the argument in the “spoliation” motion) while the defense was allowed to claim, through Marti Mackenzie, that the heart was never there to begin with.
That’s a smart strategy for the defense because while they know the FBI did not take a photograph of the heart, they don’t know as yet if any of the hundreds of CSI/ME photographs caught an image of it (assuming the heart would be visible on a photograph because of a particular angle of light or whatever). For now, the defense can claim there was no heart at all, and should a local photo be found, they would suggest the heart was placed there by someone other than Casey whose love for Caylee was disturbing.
If you read the December 20 search warrent on the Anthony house, you will notice Yuri Melich said an FBI examiner noticed a perfect heart shape on the duct tape ‘that did not appear to be hand drawn.’ That tells me the heart was not filled in with residual adhesive but was only an outline. So the type of adhesive that backed the original heart sticker is moot since from that description, there wasn’t a filled-in, layer of adhesive in the shape of a heart on the tape.
What was on the tape was just the outline of a heart (the outer edges of the shape) that may have been created by something other than adhesive. For instance, maybe when the sticker was still affixed to the tape, the tape became submerged and some matter in the water collected at the edges of the sticker and left a faint, heart-shaped outline on the tape after the sticker became detached or disintegrated. That would explain why it wasn’t visible to the naked eye and also suggests that the image was not captured on any photograph taken in Florida.
I don’t believe the image is recoverable at this point. I understand your point about types of adhesives, but no one would know better than the FBI’s Trace Evidence Unit if any adhesive in the area of the heart shape could be recovered and tested. But as noted, what Elizabeth Fontaine noticed was the faint outline of a heart that was too perfect in shape to have been drawn by hand.
934
There’s a code on Casey’s information sheet provided by Orange County Public Schools indicating Casey did graduate, but that seems to be in dispute.
According to George and Cindy, Casey fell 1/2 credit behind in grade 11 when she switched a class in mid-year and her new teacher would not accept her work for the first semester. According to the guidance counselor, she was given an option of taking another 1/2 credit class in her senior year but she did not take the option. That’s why George and Cindy were informed, at the end of Casey’s senior year, that she was 1/2 credit short and would not be allowed to walk in the ceremony with her classmates.
The graduation ceremony would have been in May 2004. Casey was hired by Universal in June 2004 for a full-time position although it was a low-paying, hourly position, and there are so many of those positions at the central Florida parks with such high turn-over that no one would be concerned if Casey did not have a diploma or GED. Casey took photographs of people as they experienced a ride at the park and then offered to sell the ride-takers an expensive photo of themselves as they screamed on a roller coaster turn, for example. Every ride in Orlando has a photo set-up like that because souvenir photos are cash cows.
She was apparently working full-time at Kodak, so I don’t believe she would have also been taking a summer class. And if she did, I don’t follow how George and Cindy knew nothing about it. George said he and Cindy urged her to get her GED and offered to pay for photography school after as an incentive but she wouldn’t go back. Nor can I accept that Casey would have kept her mouth shut when Cindy humilated Casey in front of Jesse Grund around December 2005 by telling Jesse that Casey never finished high school.
937 WSH
What I recall from Tony Padilla’s comments at WS is that he thinks Richard Grund is nutters. Tony’s opinion could be resting on Richard’s description of “waking visions” or something similar Richard had regarding Caylee and where she would be found. I could certainly be wrong about that, but that was my take-away (although I didn’t follow every comment on those TP threads at WS so I might have missed something).
westsidehudson, no one (but me it seems, lol) wants to say she’s a nut, but how could you look at her actions and NOT conclude that she’s a nut? Giving the police a guided tour of Universal on day 1 alone is enough evidence of her nuttiness, but there are ample other examples. I know, I know, everyone is afraid of the insanity defense, so they have to pretend she is normal. They needn’t be scared—if she hid the body and made excuses to cover up the child’s absence, I think it proves she is sane enough to know that she ‘done wrong’. But come on, who can honestly look at her actions and conclude she is 100% normal? Even Lee told his friends (or hers, I forget) that she is not normal.
I wish we could see the results of her MMPI and the other psych tests she took (she said the MMPI said she was normal) but maybe we never will.
Blink, Casey did not graduate (IIRC) but Cindy said something about her being able to graduate– ie: ‘walk’ with her class.
wsh, wonder ‘jealous’ of what? And who trained Cindy’s PI Dominic to use that little pointy ended metal poking stick to ‘detect’ the presence of a little body? (except he knew he wasn’t near the area– he knew where he was avoiding in that little staged scene– btw, Jim Hoover and the camera– I was going to comment on that and didn’t. Hoover could easily have been set up for ‘HIS’ little role in this, knowing, as Dom Casey said to LE on Jan 7, that ‘he’s a sneaky devil’ re: having a camera under his coat and taking video while people don’t know it. George could easily figure Hoover as a useful type guy, knowing he should tag along for the ‘staging’ to ‘prove’ no body there, knowing Hoover would document it with his hidden camera, or not hidden, and knowing that little bit of video would very likely work its way to the media, as it did– then to LE).
Perfect way to document your little scene body location ‘body not there’ movietime film. Hoover was read on his possible intentions to do this, and he was played right down the line. He came in useful. George Anthony knew it when he called Hoover to take him up on his offer to help out with security.
928 Tug
None of the detectives noticed the heart shape on the duct tape. Only one person noticed the heart outline, and she is an FBI forensic examiner in Quantico, VA (FBI headquarters).
The only way the SAO can get the heart shape information before the jury is to put that FBI examiner on the stand. She would certainly testify under oath to having seen the heart shape, but then she would be subject to cross-examination by the defense, and they would use her to make the point with the jury that IF the heart evidence did exist, it was lost by inattention, miscommunication, or incompetence. Moreover and most importantly, since none of the many photographs of the duct tape reveal the heart shape, the State’s claim that photographs of the crime scene are equivalent to first-hand, in-person expert examination is false.
But the prosecution may decide that the value of her testimony would outweigh any advantages the defense could gain by cross-examining her. LE did find many sticker sheets at the Anthony home with various sizes of hearts, many of which were missing from the sheets. It will be easy to show Casey liked to use heart-shaped stickers. KioMarie will presumably testify to the childhood pet funerals that involved multiple bags, hearts drawn on the outer bag, and burial in the Suburban Drive woods.
Agreed, is this the specialist whose DNA contaminated the tape as well? Do we know how that can happen?
B
typed too fast ‘Hoover could easily have been set up for ‘HIS’ little role in this. Dom Casey knew, as he said to LE on Jan 7… etc’
I have another question for “the experts”. When did George and Cindy clean out Casey’s car, before LE got it or when(if )it was returned? If it was before the “air tests” and before the deathband hair was found and the other tests, then imagine what was found in the Anthony’s vacuum. ( I guess I am looking for assurances that there is enough evidence for conviction).
#120 Kleat, think you have hit the nail. George tells LE that he and Cindy discussed some particular Adventures of Casey. Cindy was quoted by GA as saying a few times, “You have got to be kidding!” when GA related the latest KC escapade, but when GA wanted to push the issue, shove never happened. Cindy responded with “You’re not a cop anymore, George, I’ll handle this.” This was her reaction when GA wanted to “handle” the situation of Casey’s bogus deposit slip and her story of being robbed of the cash obtained from that “transaction”–some $4500 dollars–at, I believe, Sport’s Authority where she supposedly worked. All this according to GA, of course. I would assume he wasn’t in on much school problems as an authority figure, but knew about them, even discovered them.
#932 westsidehudson, I am no authority on sociopaths, but I may have met one or two in my family and we used to call them “heartaches,users and fakers”.
Casey puts me in the mind of a friend’s daughter who never progressed beyond the twelve-year-old world. She had a rather juvenile and coarse sense of humor–liked bodily function jokes and laughed long and hard at people tripping and such. She led her family a merry chase with two babies given up for adoption. At thirty, she read only movie magazines, but she was an excellent housekeeper and loved animals. Through family connections, she got a job in a Vet’s office, even though she never made it to high school. Another time, another place!
#934 k-p-in, Although it’s been many years since I prepared a class for graduation, I can tell you that any student in danger of not graduating was targeted early in the year, or immediately academic trouble became evident. Phone calls were made, letters sent home and meetings scheduled with parents and these were carefully documented. Lawsuits about parents not being notified of their children failing and not graduating were in the air. Ass-ets better be covered, in other words.
To the best of my fuzzy recollection, some 1/2 credit classes were offered in schools around here. Mostly gym classes, IIRC. That practice probably differed from district to district and state to state.
# Blink. George tells FBI agent Scott Brolin in his interview (sorry, about not having the date) that Casey never graduated from high school and that he knows “my wife shared this information with you.”
It’s on pages 13-14 of that particular document on docstoc.
He also says, “Our daughter have (sic) every opportunity to go and get that half credit to get her diploma to get her GED whatever it was gonna take. Funds whatever it is. Some reason she didn’t take advantage of it, why she didn’t we don’t know still to this day.”
Of course, Cindy and GA may have told other stories on different interviews and on different days to different LE. What a surprise!
quick answer to the car– LE took it, kept it…. not returned it. Question is, neatnik George toss those vacuum bags or the cannister contents asap? Took LE a while to get a search warrant so vac bags probably long gone. Maybe someone added a few things too, took TWO days for le to pick up that car!!! (well, that was another CINDY-ly-ism)
Kleat, about the heart sticker wasn’t the top part of the sticker (colorful side) found at the scene, I thought I had read that it was indeed found at the crime scene. I know that when my kids were little and got a sticker at the doctors or from a teacher placed on their shirt I sometimes forgot to remove it during laundry it seemed that it always separated from the sticky, so if the remains were underwater it would have separated. So if the sticky residue was destroyed someone seen it and there is a top side to compare that finding, am I reaching, please correct me if I am wrong….Thanks
MSM’s new ‘Bait and Switch’ program in full effect over at WDBO…. check this out, the judge has already dismissed the dismissal request!!! Talk about responsible reporting– geeze
“In-Depth Reports” scroll to a box located between ‘Local Events’ and ‘Contests’ box and just above the ‘Movie Guide’ and ‘Events- Halloween Guide’
The headline reads:
“THE CASEY ANTHONY SAGA: Judge dismisses Casey Anthony’s attorneys request for dismissal of murder case.
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