Casey/Caylee Anthony Case: Duct Tape, Father’s Day and Hopkins
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NO Detectives, I mean THE OTHER Zach Hopkins
Orlando, FL– Where did we first hear the name Zach Hopkins in the case of missing and eventually found murdered 34 month old Caylee Anthony?
He was the non-existent son of Casey Anthony’s former schoolmate, Jeffrey Hopkins. He was the non-existent grandson of Jeff’s parents who got the phone call from the Anthony home about 5 AM July 16th, and follow up from brother Lee that he did not believe his sister.
The other Zach Hopkins, who is not a toddler, is in no way affiliated with this case, is an actor.
Zach appears in this Video created for Blue Fish TV and launched June 14, 2008 in honor of FATHERS DAY.
Yes, it says what you think. A duct tape instructional releases the day before father’s day, which is the last corroberated sighting of Caylee Anthony, starring a person with the misfortune of having the same name of an alleged witness in the investigation of her disappearance/ murder.
What are the Chances?
Actually, higher than you think. The video was produced by Blue Fish TV.
Blue Fish is a production company geared toward “learning” videos with a Christian influence. By our research at blinkoncrime.com, this is a solid and best- in- class organization.
It is also an occasional past time of Disney World Resorts President, Al Weiss. Mr. Weiss is listed as an occasional speaker and author to Blue Fish TV.
Additional representation to the Orlando area include Rob Duford of the Orlando North Community Church and Isaac Hunter of Summit Church of Orlando.
Speaking on the condition of anonymity, a source inside bluefishtv.com has confirmed that many of their videos have been filmed at Disney and UNIVERSAL resorts, Orlando, Florida.
Before you reach for the foil hat: Blink what does this mean?
It means someone was doing hefty research on duct tape, the Hopkins name, or knew of this production or someone involved very close to the time frame Caylee went missing.
Personally, I am of the opinion between June 16th and July 15th Casey worked diligently to retro fit her story, or “google-fit” as it were.
Recall that Cindy sat in the lot of Universal on July 3rd while Casey allegedly gave her this story and proceeded to call Ryan Paysley and ask him if he knew Casey and Caylee were in town, to which he replied:
..”No, she told me Caylee was with you at the beach for the week..”
In theory then, that means the first time Cindy hears the names Jeff and Zach Hopkins are July 3rd.
Plenty of time for her to have seen this, and head back to the drawing board, and get her story down for her meeting with Detective Melich on July 15th.
Thanks to Candace Bond, contributing editor to blinkoncrime.com
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Foil hats!
Blink and Candace, this is great sleuthing. I like your term “google-fit” to cover the Ant tracks.
Did Cindy know for sure that Caylee was dead on July 3rd? What’s your vote on that?
No, I think she knew August 13.
B
OH MY GAWD! Is this for real? I am in shock.
Just when I thought I would give my brain a rest tonight Blink! Any idea how long this trial will last, if it does go to trial? I think 6 weeks was mentioned way back, but as more and more twisted info comes out I’m thinking longer….
Ok, ok…I must be totally dense. What does Cindy sitting in the parking lot at Universal and calling Ryan P have to do with Jeff and Zack? Are you saying that Spindy cooked up the whole script?
According to Cindy, Casey told her she was not at Universal because she was with Jeff and Zach in Jax. Cindy got off the phone and called Ryan to check out her story, where she learned Caylee was supposed to be with her at the beach according to Ryan.
B
Ok, one more and I’ll quit. What happened on Aug 13?
Blink, I agree with your opinion of Cindy knowing August 13th, but I also think she knew exactly where she was dumped in November after Dom Casey poked around Suburban Drive with his metal rod.(DISGUSTING)The interview with I believe M. Bart, or about Michelle, Cindy couldn’t even hold her head up. Sorry I’d have to look up exact date, but I do know it was within few days of Dom Casey’s searches.
Blink - Holy cheese and rice! Talk about P R E - M E D, huh?
Can the FBI connect this to the A’s computers? If they can, then why have a trial? Why waste 4 million dollars on a media circus that could go to education. I know the answer, it is just so hard to believe the twist and turns of Casey’s demented mind. That even the most dishonest defense attorney would tell her to take a plea and walk away.
Question: why do you say August 13th?
wow
this makes the cheese more binding!!
Do we know if these google searches are confirmed by computer forensics?
This is new information WSH, the “google fit” is my opinion.
If this was July 3rd when Cindy called Ryan P., then why did she wait another 10 days to demand Casey to come home? The car was in the garage, the smell of decomp evident..This is where I think Cindy knew Caylee was dead,an her wheels for a defense started to turn. She put two and two together and got murder!
What makes you think she knew August13th and how do you thik she found out? GOD, I can’t wait until Cindy and George are arrested for their part of covering up this crime.and the multitude of lies they have told.
Blink..too tired to think this thru tonight. Great find though. August 13 forr Cindy…huh..she started lying to LE on July 15th..just like her daughter. Why was she lying in July if she didn’t know she had to cover up until August 13th?
Dearest DD-
Thanks for prompting me to clarify. I believe Cindy began lying to LE to the extent it covered up for Casey, immediately.
I believe she came into knowledge, or a belief based on knowledge, that Caylee was deceased and in the woods off Suburban by Aug. 13th.
From there, I could not trust a word out of any of them, sadly. You know, you, me, and our team worked on every facet of this case for months, having information nobody had, and treated it appropriately. In all that time, there was a sentiment it was possible they
“know not what they do” It never once felt good to be right in any of this, did it?
Fondly
B
ArgentinaRose
they need to be arrested all three!!
what grandparent finds out that their grandaughter is in a garbage bag in the woods and chooses to keep quiet to save the daughter!! that is sad and unacceptable I couldnt even imagine. The behaviours of these people are just to ovious. Them showing up at somers funeral to better the cause of their foundations sickens me to no end. they just dont quit.
how dithey sleep at night in warm beds in the winter months knowing caylee was out there breaks my heart.
I can’t see the video…help anyone?
I could be all wrong but could August 13 be the day that the OCSO may have told Cindy about preliminary results from the body farm re decomp in the car? The Body Farm preliminary report was released to the public around August 27 and document releases to the defense seem to occur at least 2 weeks prior to them being released under the Sunshine Law. I think that it was August 14 that the OCSO speculated that Caylee may have died in an accident — http://www.wesh.com/news/17187673/detail.html
How bizarre.
Cindy, I can’t view it either, I think the link might have a problem?
Just checked, working fine, not sure of the issue.
B
darn…. I tried to fix that! Sincerest apologies CindEE … but the server was too darn quick !
ArgentinaRose - I hate to say this, but I can’t see the Anthonys getting arrested for anything, I just don’t feel this will happen…..unfortunately, even if Casey gets LWOP or the DP I don’t think any of us will feel that justice served Caylee unless her grandparents have to pay for their actions and not get away with murder (so to speak).
I found same video on youtube for those who are having difficulties viewing here. Hope it’s ok Blink to post the link.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gBYJm6emxz8&feature=related
Thanks see me!
B
Chica,you are so right and I wonder if they think they are going to get away with their crimes of lying to LE and the FBI.as well as destroying evidence and all of the other criminal things they have done concerning this case.and for some reason they think they are above the law.you would think that George would know better but, I guess not. Casey’s butt is not the only one in a sling.
video not working?
looking for another link that might work, in the meantime… in Casey’s dreams!!! He certainly could have caught Casey’s eye– he’s been on CSI:NY–CBS, ‘Invincible’ (Disney), ‘Prison Break’ 2 episodes (FOX), and both tv episodes AND TV movie of ‘INSPECTOR MOM’.
Zach was raised by a single parent, not his father as the baby Zach was being raised, but by his mother Cindee.
As a side note, this video was published on youtube June 11,2008.
Cindee, I fixed it– get off Safari and onto Firefox (or other!) You Mac person!!
Blue Fish TV is now selling the video for $3.99 online
Blink, were you ever able to find any information about the “friend” of Lee’s that Casey told Ricardo IIRC, is the father of Caylee. Supposedly he was visiting from Tenessee around Thanksgiving 2004. Ben, or Brendon, Brandon (can’t remember exactly the name but I think a “B” name.
See me- I do not believe that story.
B
wow… Happy Father’s Day… (Casey didn’t visit her own father nor her grandfather on that special day, but might have been thinking of it).
I hate to bring this up, don’t go watch it, but Casey watched a horror movie– the one about the internet killer with an audience etc– there is a scene with a death, horrible, in a tank of water, the mouth is duct taped. Tremendous suffering, horrific scenario.
Note in the duct tape commercial, the father reads the Christmas story from the bible to his boys. I wonder where Casey’s bible was at on June 15 through 27th, in particular, would Casey have done a little ceremony (I won’t say funeral) for her baby with bible, the black swaddling wraps. What WAS it in the backyard….
Blink, the problem was Safari. Always keep a reserve browser at hand!!
Thanks, SeeMe– got it fixed, it was a Mac thing. And they send bug fixes on a regular basis–
get it working for you Cindee? I never use Firefox here, strange input window fonts.
bottomline–you are 100% right.justice for Caylee will not be complete unless the grandparents are brought to justice for their part in covering up for the one responsible for Caylee’s death.I mean could you imagine knowing that your grand child or child is laying out in the woods deceased and their body is being eaten by rats and other vermen.these people IMO are not human.and they don’t deserve to get away with what they have done. George has some nerve wearing that Caylee button everytime he goes to court just to get sympathy.
http://www.tangle.com/view_video?viewkey=b6255a777da4356d197f
here is another place to view it that works on Safari
Blink, I admit to being dense here :), but I just want to see if I understand all this:
Are you saying that Casey, somehow, knew this guy from her connections at Universal - and this is where she got the idea of how to murder her child?
Or - are you saying Cindy found this link - and will try to point the finger at this guy?
Thanks!
WoW! Long time reader, first time commemtor……..Wow is all I can say. If LE can tie this to KC in some way…it’s over roll up your sleeve KC….lights out!!!!
seemeatthebeach—Casey herself don’t know who the father of Caylee is.she has put that child off on just about all of Orlando and that just goes to show what kind of woman she is.SHE WOULD BED DOWN WITH ANY MAN THAT WOULD HAVE HER,AND THATS WHY SHE HERSELF DON’T KNOW WHO THE FATHER OF HER OWN CHILD IS.ONLY A SLEEZ WOULD BE IN HER DELIMA.
Blink, this is an ‘aside’, but ever come across anyone with connections to NYC and the UN, as a name related this case? (not suggesting any connections, just recalled the same name from one of Casey’s stories as a person of some note with connections to the UN)
Yep Safari is the problem. Thanks for the YouTube link seeme !
What is significant about the date of August 13th, 2008 that would be pertinent to Cindy finding out that Caylee was dead???
I know that was one of the Kronk calls in August.
I wonder if covering up was the least of what these parents/grandparents have done. If we learn what they knew about Casey, in particular, what CINDY knew, this might have been someone allowing Caylee to live on a cliff edge, just a matter of time.
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There MUST be significance in the words of a song played at Caylee’s memorial service– significance perhaps in a message to Casey.
Something close to… “you can always be honest if you can’t always be good’
ArgentinaRose, I’m not sure that Casey doesn’t know who the father is or was. It makes sense that she may not know, but we can’t believe Cindy, George NOR Casey in any of this. At one time, we could question Casey’s stories, now it seems it’s a generational problem– we have to question what Cindy said and why, and not just consider her ‘rose-coloured glasses’ symptoms.
Thx for the link too, Angela_nw
I still have cards that I made in primary school to give to my father on Father’s Day. I wonder if Casey ever gave a card to her own father?
Well now! What the Hay?
When did that video first air in Orlando? Where was Casey when she watched it on TV, IF that’s where she first saw it? How would Cindy have seen that video on July 3 if it was a Father’s Day video– available at the visitor’s center at Universal?
Strong statement, Caylee murdered on Father’s day…..
If they find the bio-dad i’m sure a lot of questions will
be answered. I’m shocked nothing is mentioned about this
subject and or it wasnt fully investigated.
Shaking my head ,just when you thought this could not be anymore bizarre, Bang there it is! Was this done thru KC search or just we are thinking that is the Zach connection, I am lost …Help TYIA
Does anyone remember what year the A’s moved from Ohio to Florida?
I really do think that OrlandoEAST that writes on Orlando Sentinel is our dear Cynthia- on the Somer story she writes:
Parents, Grandparents - please be aware of the dangers that are out there. Florida has changed - this is not the Florida you were raised in. This place has gone to the birds since I moved here in 89. I barely recognize it anymore.
Florida has become a haven for illegal migrants, vagrants, and transients. You never know when a stranger will harm your child. The Sheriffs office does not have a handle on this crime situation which has gotten out of control.
Our county officials are only concerned with concealing Florida’s crime problem out of fear of affecting Tourist dollars. Cases are brought to quick closure without any investigation - typically the parents are accused out of convenience and to satiate the public and media - meanwhile the criminals run wild. Just today, the Orlando media reported that crime is down. My foot!
We need to take our state back from the animals.
God Bless
OrlandoEAST (10/27/2009, 8:54 PM )
I understand why you think Cindy found out on August 13th. I agree that she was devastated in the August 14th jail video. I agree with you Blink, I think this when she knew.
Blink, I am having trouble following this new update.Please forgive me. I think what you are saying is that Cindy lied during her interviews when she said Casey had told her she was dating Jeffery Hopkins and had gotten Zanny’s name from him.
You theorized: The first time she in fact heard about him was in the story Casey told her July 3rd when Cindy went looking at Universal.
I think what you are saying is that Casey was getting her story straight with the help of the internet way back on the 15th if not sooner.Casey came across this video which she incorporated into her story just like she incorporated actual events into her story of Zeniada such as the car crash Amy got into and Puerto Rico. Am I following this correctly?
Also help please, I know in one of Cindy’s interviews she says that Jesse was jealous of Casey’s friendship with Jeff. But I can’t remember if when asked about this in an interview with police Jesse says he remembers the name Jeffery Hopkins with Zachary or if he just remembers Casey talking about a guy alot with no kid mentioned.
I think Cindy both embellished and believed the Jeff Hopkins info and tried to sell it as “gospel” to LE when she knew it to be false.
How would that have helped to find Caylee?
B
Animals don’t do the shit that Casey did. So so sick of hearing baby killers called “animals.”
Same things I have said before. Is GeorGe Casey’s birth father? Is LEE her full or half brother? Has Lee been ruled out as the father? And why does everyone skirt around the fact that LEE had made sexual advances towards CaSey? And maybe George abused her that way, too and that is why he has no leverage in the family heirarchy? I just still think this reeks of some family shame.
I was looking at the items taken from the Anthony home. I noticed another shirt with wording
One pink shirt 24M ” I Get My Good Looks From My Mom”
P. 4 (3407) http://www.wftv.com/pdf/18740668/detail.html
Also, comment 52, or 52 as it is listed in order in my view now, refers to Florida being a place for transients and heralds the post I make regarding the Somer case, the opinion that nobody is “from” Florida, they go there to run from something. Hence all the freaks in Florida and all the weird murder cases there. Just an observation. Why did the anthony’s move there and why did George get fired from his law enforcement job?
Is it possible, that Kronk, like Williams, was put off, and then reported his information to someone else who might have informed the defense and the parents?
Cindy was very upset from the beginning of the August 14th jail video visit, the visit arranged when Baez was in NYC. Was Cindy upset because she learned something the day before, and is this visit date because of something that transpired on the 13th?
Is it possible that the cop went to the Anthony’s re: that report? Somehow they learned?
Is it co-incidence that the first psychic started her ‘interest’ in the case on Aug 13th? Was she brought in (says she was not). Maybe they needed to improve their psychic choices, like someone from far away, to play the role they needed.
Answering my own question- they moved to Florida in September of 89- finally got the depo to open….my puter is tired. Yeah- this person writes some really crazy stuff on the Orlando Sentinel- like she’s going to win someone over? Really? you got to love that “Cases are brought to quick closure without any investigation - typically the parents are accused out of convenience and to satiate the public and media - meanwhile the criminals run wild.” REALLY? Cause I think she’s ummm…in JAIL!!! (Hopefully you’ll be in there one day- heck I might even put $5 in your commissary account just for fun Cindy.
It seemed like Cindy knew Caylee was gone on the last visit to Casey on Aug. 14. Cindy was crying in the beginning and Casey asked why she was acting like that already. wWsn’t Caylee supposed to be returned on her B-day? So when she didn’t come home, Cindy knew Casey was a liar.
Watch it with the sound off. Universal picture of grief, imo.
B
Al Miller, ‘fact’ that Lee made sexual advances??? Why a ‘fact’? (hint– who did that originate with?) There is not way to say, based on a statement Casey made to Jesse about Lee, that this is ‘FACT’. Maybe, maybe not– Casey has been known to tell tall tales and to spin lies.
And you do have some reading to catch up on in the discovery regarding the long ago reported results of Lee’s paternity DNA test– Lee was eliminated as a possible father to Caylee LONG AGO. George abused her ‘too’?? Too, as in addition to what?? (who did this story start with… how reliable is that, at least to say this is ‘FACT’ without a lot more information).
Blink, Doesn’t this seem pretty “reaching” as far as evidence as to what Casey was formulating in her mind? I mean, what are the chances that she saw this and decided to somehow incorporate the name into her story……..especially since Jeff was supposed to have a small child named Zach? I can’t buy into it, at least as far as Casey and her mentality with creating a storyline!
Google duct tape video. Tell me what you get. No, I do not. I did not say she was formulating it in her mind, I said she was “google fitting”
B
The family ’secret’ might be Casey herself, what Cindy and George really knew but kept close to the vest. Why did George leave after the baby was born? Maybe nothing sinister about George, maybe he was the one who saw the potential for serious problems if the daughter was to bring up baby.
Have you read George’s state depo yet? Interesting revelations, clues, to the family dynamic at that time.
George is the only family member in that nuclear family, who is NOT a blood relative to Cindy– he seems to be on the outside of something.
On the other hand, there is not a paternity result released for anyone but Lee. We have heard nothing of Ortiz yet, nor anyone else as elminated? (aside from Jesse of course)
It wouldn’t help find Caylee. It Wouldn’t even point in the right direction.
Gotcha, Blink, thanks
I haven’t quite reconciled this video with Casey’s choice of names since it appeared to me that she used a mix and match method with name choice just as she did with some phone numbers. Frankly, I had always fancied she got Zac’s name from High School Musical…LOL
I hope the levity doesn’t offend anyone. I have practically OD’ed on Casey today. I am now entering the lurk mode for my own sanity.
How kind, I get ya, good plan
B
Yes Blink– there was a point in an earlier jail video, that I was convinced that Cindy knew something, as if she heard Casey’s voice although George had the receiver, I wonder if, in those early (still investigation in high gear) visits, whether an audio link was set up for both parents to hear, while only one could speak to Casey at a time. (not sure if feedback would cause problems with that or not)
There was a point where Casey made a slip up– saying George was the best grandfather Caylee could ever have ‘had’, and at that very moment, Cindy clasped her hand to her mouth as if she caught exactly what Casey had slipped. And Casey slipped again. Not sure if George caught it, or was holding a stiff lip at that time, or if he was just busy keeping Casey talking.
Fwiw, as well as I know this case, I watched that and felt I knew everything I needed to know, and I just wanted to find her.
B
Lexi– it’s right at the top of the search:
$1.99 Downloadable Video Illustrations – Dad’s Duct Tape (Father’s …
Dad’s Duct Tape (Father’s Day) This comical video illustration shows the creative ways men might think to use duct tape and is a re …
http://www.bluefishtv.com/…Video…/Dads_Duct_Tape_Fathers_Day_ - Cached - Similar
Yes, and by the end of July, early August (according to Cindy and her reports to Sgt Allen) the Luke psychic person had made contact with Cindy, and gave her the blanket scenario, then add DC to the mix and voila, credibility appears and the idea is set in motion… maybe this was just the set up for when Cindy learned the truth, and the little plan for an indisputable ‘tip’ was ready and waiting for her to get working on as only she can do.
Blink,
Casey stated she knew Jeff Hopkins from Nickelodeon at universal. Google Nickelodeon, Jeff Hopkins…I have been very frustrated that I have never seen LE interview a Jeff or the Zach that you talked about. Granted they may not be related to this case, but we are talking about missing children. For people to say that these people are not in the “data base” or “do not exist” is False. To say that they do not know Casey is undetermined.
There is a two year time frame that is vague regarding both Casey and Caylee. Two years, since she left universal, two years that she has not worked (to our knowledge) two years of the absent father, two years since she broke up with Jesse, two years since zenieda has been baby sitting.
If it can be possible that casey could be convinced to sell those photos on the request of her attorney, who is being paid by ??? then it is not a big leap to think someone may have befriended her a long time ago and portrayed themselves as someone they were not.
As I have said before, this case does not seem to be what it appears.
Anyone know how I can get a list of tenants at sawgrass, or glenwood?
MWM-
Le has interviewed Jeff Hopkins, AND his parents. Zach, as represented by Casey, does not exist.
B
Blink, so do you think the duct tape was also part of her message to her parents? Also, what are your thoughts on whether or not Casey is a pathological liar?
CA: And Casey said, I’m not sure how she said it, but she said, I don’t want to disrupt her life. Because from here on out Caylee’s life will never be the same. And I never understood what she meant by that. And I didn’t ask her that ’cause I wasn’t sure. I said, Well, you know
SB: She knew something at this point
CA: She knew something. Well, Casey
SB: Right
CA: did know something.
http://www.wftv.com/pdf/20224558/detail.html
P.62 Summer ‘08 interview with Cindy
The beginning of this video bothered me the most, “Dad’s Uses For Duct Tape”….”Where’s Mommy?”
I agree w/Kleat #63, Casey is the Anthony family secret. These people lived with her for 22 years, they had to know how unstable she really was. I can’t even imagine all the things Casey had done before this and got away with because it was all swept under the rug! Covering for Casey must come as second nature for Cindy.
I doupt Geo,or Lee touched Casey.Just another one of her cooked up stories for Jessies attention-poor me!!! Cindy,an George knew when Car was brought home,with the smell of death in it.They knew the min..GEO.Opened that trunk,LE should have been called Johnny on the spot.AT TOW LOT!!! Their actions are deplorable.I have never seen G=parents act like these two have.Geo,was truthful in first interview,Cindy was already trying to cover.After that they went dead ahead with lies.I have got so emoitionaly involved.Shame,because attention should be on other missing children,not Casey,an her sorry parents.If Casey walks free,if other 3 Anthonys arent charges-Cindy most of all,Then the whole laws need to be rewritten-Because these people are guilty of many crimes-AN who Would believe Caseys lies on who the father is,of Caylee-line them all up test them-well run across the dad-how about the one she was crying over at the party-test him.
#71 Midwest Mom
The time frame of this period is vague because of Casey’s lies not because someone sinister was infiltrating Casey’s life. The father wasn’t absent he was never brought in. In fact if Cindy is to be believed the family drew up papers with a lawyer to ensure the father would never be present. There is no proof(to our knowledge)that there was ever a time when a Zeniada had been babysitting.
Who would have befriended Casey along time ago and what were they portraying themselves as? You make Casey seem like a naive innocent girl. IMO She was a mother, she had a fiance at one time. She held down a job for a period of time and even advanced in the position. Let’s not forget she was so schooled in the ways of finance that she could fake deposit slips and checks.ect
You wrote, “As I have said before, this case does not seem to be what it appears.” What does it appear to be to you? I am not trying to seem mean. I really want to understand your point of view. Maybe your take is the right one. Please, share. Thanks
Columbias
I had the same ans about89!
Cindy keeps stickin foot in mouth
even in listenin to sindys bro Rick he talks about cindy’s enabling and control! I’ve never seen anyone loose a kid/grandkid !!
And than act so dern bazaar!! I’m just so disgusted with their baZaar. Antics it just so so disturbing and a reproach to good parent/ grandparents imo they are all sociopaths and pathological liars!
They are helping in convincing the world of cadets guilt
my only concern is justice for caylee a Lil girl gone to soon!! The illness in that family started with Cindy and like a tumor grew in the rest !! I am so sick of the 3 !!
Poor Mallory lee has made it clear that mom and Casey come first that’s terrible
rant over
Aww I meant to say casey not cadet!!many of us have lost sleep over this but not the anthony’s and lees innap laughter
god bless u all
buenas niches
Blink mentioned that we will hear more about the sightings in the future– came across this Dr. Phil segment with Mark NeJame and Michelle Bart, where Bart talks eyewitness accounts that she finds very credible, including the sighting at the Florida Mall, as Bart says, quote:
“..and in my heart no has yet come forward when that photo has been seen nationally”.
It’s significant timing that this sighting was released by Bart Nov 19th ‘nationally’ of a photo taken November 16th.
Does anyone find this a major coincidence that Cindy’s PI and Hoover searched the woods Nov 15, 16th, and the body was not there, ‘proof’– and there is a sighting in the Florida Mall of a child that no one claims!!
Now, what family would ever come forward publicly to Bart and get their child in the middle of this– law enforcement doens’t have to report to Ms. Bart, nor send the parents of that child, to Ms. Bart for her information.
Bart seems to be as much a part of this whole ‘lie’ from from psychics to private eyes and she played one more little card to support that Caylee was in the Florida Mall while the psychic gave tips about where she would be found once killed.
Mark NeJame makes things a bit more clear on his stepping away from the situation, clients not following his advice, and needing to continue with the ’she is alive’ theory.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z4Wf77FyY2Q
Surely hope that LE found the child and identified her– wonder who took that very conveniently timed (well ‘perfectly timed’) cell phone photo. Perfect set up– almost too good to be true. So what was their theory– LE came to investigate, and the kidnappers learned about it, got scared and had to pay Casey back, so killed the child, and then dumped her near Casey’s home?
Good Grief.
REALLY sock video!
That is just sad!
Blink, here’s an example of the earlier video visit where Cindy CAN hear Casey as she speaks to her father– note George talks about the family analogy– he’s the thumb, mom’s the index finger because she likes to point, and Casey jokes it should be the middle finger (but does not show that gesture) and Cindy laughs/covers her mouth because she heard it.
I’m convinced that the family was set up to hear Casey in these early jail visits as LE was searching for answers, as seemed to be, the parents.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cfD6A2roT5s
# Comment by Thinker — October 28, 2009 @ 2:53 am
Please help me find a group of photos of Caylee.
Someone on here asked for the link to these photos of Caylee in this little pink striped shirt, and someone else posted the link to a group of photos of Caylee in this shirt.
Would you please post that LINK again? And post it on the Big Trouble shirt thread please.
Thank you
http://s439.photobucket.com/albums/qq120/cayleecross/?action=view¤t=CayleeJPRicardohousereddrapes.jpg
http://s439.photobucket.com/albums/qq120/cayleecross/?action=view¤t=CayleeRicardopinkbluestripes.jpg
In the most simplistic of views:
I think Cindy and George are covering for Casey - not because she is their beloved daughter (even though that is part of it) - but because of the guilt they feel for letting things spiral this far out of control.
They knew something was wrong with Casey long ago. They knew she wasn’t a good mom. And, they turned a blind eye to it.
They simply cannot face the fact that they were negligent enough to let this happen - because that would be admiting some responsiblity for this heinous act.
So - they are covering for Casey in order to avoid facing the reality of their own neglectful part in the raising of Casey - and, ultimately, in the watchfulness of Caylee.
I just typed a long comment with a lot of thought/emotion in it, then somehow deleted it before hitting submit. Ughhh, maybe there is a reason for everything. Who knows. So I will make this short and sweet.
Since the beginning of this case I have seen 100’s, if not 1000’s of people comment on when Cindy knew Caylee was deceased. I’ve always been confused that those people, just like me, would begin their comment by saying they had followed every single aspect of this case, and then went on to say Cindy knew in June, or July, etc. I’ve always wondered if they just somehow missed the August 14th jail visitation video, because it is OBVIOUS without a doubt that within a few hours of that video is when Cindy knew for certain that Caylee was dead. I don’t know how of course, but I can say with certainty that when that video came out and I watched it….I was positive that was the day she knew. I’m not saying she didn’t begin to lie before that date, because she did. I think from the get-go she lied, because without Casey ever having told her anything, without anyone telling her anything, she just KNEW Casey well enough to know that she should begin to lie or cover-up things. I think that’s why in the beginning everything and everyone in that family seemed so incredibly insane and scatter-brained. They didn’t know why, what, when or how they should be lying…..they just KNEW that because this involved Casey that something had to be amiss and the needed to lie for her….out of instinct so to speak.
I have to admit that I’ve been somewhat lost since the last thread about the t-shirt, and this one throws me for a loop as well. BUT, the one thing I’m SURE of…. I agree with Blink about the Aug. 14th video. You can watch it without sound first, then watch it with sound. I would think there wouldn’t be a doubt in anyone’s mind after that, Cindy may very well have picked up on some clues, had her doubts and fears about things prior to that day….BUT, something happened during the hours before that visitation, and when she sat down in front of Casey…the first sentence out of Casey’s mouth, just the tone of her voice and attitude that split second confirmed for Cindy whatever she heard, found, saw, etc. prior to walking in there and visiting Casey that morning. I will say that is the one and ONLY time I ever felt like Cindy was feeling what she should be feeling, acting the way she should be acting, as far as grief for Caylee. After that, she somehow managed to suck it up and go on a tangent and begin down a path of lies that has continued to this day. Had I not already seen that Cindy was in this for Casey and herself, I’d have almost felt sorry for her that day. The problem is, that video came out long after all the “real” lying and covering up began. I almost felt sorry for George in the video where he visits Casey without Cindy. His mission that day was to find the truth. He tried everything he could to get Casey to fess up. I think there were moments in that video that how George truly felt about Caylee were evident. I’ll even go as far as to say there was a moment in there when he talked of how this was destroying Cindy, he truly felt pain for Cindy, and he wanted Casey to feel it as well, so she would tell him what exactly happened. However, after that, George was off on the tangent of lies as well. It’s all about themselves and Casey after that.
I was going to make this short and sweet. I failed miserably. I could go on and on and ramble some more, but not with anything we don’t already know or feel, so I’ll cut it off here. Just been meaning to tell people to watch the Aug. 14th video for so long, that after I saw Blink had mentioned it a couple times, it reminded me how important it is for anyone struggling with “when” did Cindy TRULY KNOW that Caylee was gone, that video will answer that question for you.
Well said Wendy- I sobbed when I watched that for the first time. It was not as though I did not already believe Caylee was long deceased and this was a revelation for me, it was the realization that the grief and love for their granddaughter was not going to come first.
To this day, next to the call I got on Dec.11, this was the hardest moment in this case for me. There are those of us that left Orlando with the feeling that we failed Caylee because we could not find her. This baby rallied THOUSANDS of people to STOP what they were doing and look for her, still does in a way. I insist that has to matter in the end. Why not to them? It’s maddening.
B
Scratching my head on this!
Yes, Shae & Kleat — Casey is the family secret. Something more will come out, I’m sure. Lee admitted to one of Casey’s friends “we all know she’s done bad things”, George was “not allowed” by Cindy to approach Casey when he found out about the “working @ Sports Authority” lie; NOBODY in that family presses her for information when they find out in the 7th month that she’s pregnant. It’s evident to me that the Anthonys are clearly frightened of either her or her reactions. There must be some deep, dark reason for their tiptoeing around her all of these years…
Prepare for more jaw drop - google Inspector Mom Zachary Hopkins -
http://www.imdb.com/name/nm2123688/
Right? Kidnapping Plan. There are some familiar surnames in that cast lisitng as well, not sure if related to this case though.
Reminder everyone, the video and connection was Ms. Bond’s find. Kudos.
B
Kleat
You’re a mac, Do you know how to cut & paste from a PDF, onto text, so that it doesn’t become an attachment?
Oh, the numbers changed, whew, thanks.
Mr.Figgelman feels like a fool for the last post to Blink.
Thanks Blink
Mr. Figgelman has magic powers. lol.
B
Blink, new here. Do you think that the mounds of alleged pornography pictures of Casey that were found on the computer will come into play at all in the trial? If I remember correctly, LE shared with George that these were recovered, then I never read another thing about it.
I have NEVER heard photos of Casey referred to as porn by LE. I believe they are referring to the obvious some would consider risque.
Welcome to blinkoncrime, Mayhem.
B
Blink….Same subject as my last note
Was that thing a part of discovery and the sunshine law, or from some other source?
Discovery.
So that folks dont think we are “whispering”, WSH caught a comment that was worded in a fashion so as to appear it could have been a personal conversation appearing as a discovery item and she kindly brought it to my attention for verification, which I always appreciate.
B
Blink - very interesting story! I am pretty sure that Richard Grund has said that Casey told him the BS about Jeff and Zach at the same time that she told him about Zaniada in 2006. I am not clear on when Cindy claims to have first heard about “Jeff”. I wonder if she was “google fitting” his name to come up with further BS to snow Cindy with because she was planning on getting out of that house to stay with TonE full time. And ran into the newly posted duct tape video on the 14th or 15th. And got a idea.
What bothers me lately is this past week or so I have watched Somer’s Grandmother SOB to the point of having difficulty breathing and then watching Somer’s Mom do the same. Then we have the newest little 9 yr. old that was killed on the way home. Did anyone see who I think was the Grandmothr to this little girl last night on NG? AGAIN..SOBBING. Everytime I see these GrandMothers…oh yes Haleigh’s Grandmother Theresa Nieves…SOBBING..when I see these women crying, pleading and distraught I cry with them. Where the HELL was any of this type of emotion from CA when she at first thought Caylee was kidnapped other than the 911 call. After that we saw nothing either from her or KC..come to think of it how about the young woman missing after the Metallica concert did you see her Dad on tv…CRYING and asking for her return. What is wrong with this whole family that none of them acted even remotely close to these people I have mentioned?
Wendy
That was a great post! Way to point out that jail video on Aug. 14 and how Cindy knew Casey was a liar. Cindy and Casey made such a big deal about Caylee being returned on Caylee’s B-day. Wasn’t the the whole deal over Timer55 and Casey kept repeating this is when Caylee would be returned? Cindy was pleading in all other jail videos that Caylee needed to be home on her B-Day. When “Zanny” did not return Caylee on Aug. 9, Cindy knew she was never coming home again– and yet again, Casey lied!
Blink and ArgentinaRose……Just for the record, I don’t believe the latest bio father story Casey told Ricardo. I just wondered in any of your investigation, Blink, if you came across any info about this “alleged” friend of Lee’s……..Nope, I’m not drinking any of that Koolaid being served up on HopeSpring Drive.
And after that 3rd B-day party where Caylee didn’t come home and Cindy knew Casey had lied, she had to look at what she herself had been saying -about believing in Casey and thinking Caylee was alive. Cindy’s own brother was trying to tell her to stop and look at all the evidence- Casey was guilty and Caylee was deceased. Almost as if she got caught up in what she was hoping to believe, that Caylee was alive and Casey was innocent, that she oouldn’t admit she was wrong.
Even when it was proven to them Caylee was dead.
It does show how Casey learned this behavior.
I wanted to add something real quickly, a tad off topic, but hopefully helpful to those that were interested in the tattoo and still working on the significance of the star, or lack of.
While re-watching the George visits Casey alone video the other night, I noticed that Casey makes reference to Caylee being the top point of the star in that family. She was talking about how George made reference to them being a hand, with Caylee being a missing finger, then Casey went on to explain her theory, which was all about a star, and with her being gone, the lack of a part of the star. Something like that anyway, can’t recall the exact wording.
So for those of you that were digging and digging and trying to figure out what the missing star was all about….maybe this video will give you some insight, or maybe it has nothing to do with it. However, I always keep in mind that even tho’ according to Cindy, Casey speaks in half-truths…there is always some bit of truth in everything she says. So, I’ll leave the link and the exact point in the video where she talks about it, that way it’s easy to find and might help those of you short on time be able to watch it real quick.
It’s the August 3rd visitation video, Part 1 of 2. The video of George visiting Casey without Cindy with him. She talks about this beginning around 22:50 minutes, but hits on the star convo at just about 23:00=23:30′ish minutes. Probably best to start around 22:50, just so you can get the gest of what they are speaking about. gest/jist? (sp)? Never sure which one..ha. Oh well, you get the gest/jist. Pfffttt.
Here is the link, hope it works.
http://www.wftv.com/video/18206395/index.html
Wendy-
I strongly agree with you, thank you for making this very easy for readers to access quickly.
B
I have to wonder if Cindy and/or George didn’t get wind of the inital call that Kronk made on August 13th…and went - or sent someone - to search the area themselves - and made the horrible discovery.
The timing of Kronk’s call and their apparent grief seem to go hand in hand.
The concept that Kronk was at the end of the street 3 times in 3 days, whereby on at least one occasion, 2 deputies responded, nobody will ever convince me that did not get back to them. According to Keith Williams, he was out there on the 5th of August.
I think it was simply the “knowing” versus the “finding” and once Casey was out on bond, there was no incentive.
B
TY Blink for answering my post. Yes, I remember that video and the jail visit..just didn’t connect in my tired mind last night.
I still want to see the following from LE and hope they are in future doc drops: plant terpenes analysis, maggot milkshake analysis, and last but not least the Mark Hawkins interview as well as his Mom’s.
This video is a great find. I believe that Cindy and Casey use what they have at hand and have seen in the recent past (I am not sure either has much of a long term memory) to invent their lies, but part of THESE LIES always have contained that ounce of truth. It was a wicked game Casey was leading everyone on with her clues and half truths, and Cindy seemed to relish in that game too. Game over.
DD- I agree that the Dr. Haskell is critical to the prosecution of this case. In Jose’s own words, he is the ARod of his field. I will be surprised if that information is released prior to trial though.
B
LE went to the Anthony’s on August 6 with a search warrant. I think the results from the trunk were back then. When Caylee wasn’t home by her birthday, Cindy KNEW.
I just re-watched the August 14 jail tapes. When Casey was initially interviewed by LE, she made the comment “I know my mom will never forgive me.” Then, when her mom asks Casey on Aug. 14 what message she wants Zani to hear, she doesn’t skip a beat to say, “that I forgive her.” The eerie subconscious talking there. That’s about as close to a confession as I’ve heard her make.
IMO … Casey drowned Caylee in the home pool. She scooped her up and dumped her in the trunk of the car (hence outline of a child in the trunk - residue from the pool chlorine) to dispose of her body somewhere else. I had a pool and at nighttime, we’d throw extra chlorine in it so it would be crystal clear the next day.
Now, did she put duct tape on her mouth before or after she dumped her in the pool … I don’t know. I’m thinking perhaps Casey knocked Caylee out first (chloroform?) and was going to leave it as Caylee accidentally drowned in the pool but something went awry to have caused Casey to bound her with the duct tape. Maybe she did that and tossed her in the pool and maybe went inside for a little bit, did some packing or whatnot, came back out and retrieved Caylee’s lifeless little body from the water. I don’t know. Maybe Casey thought that the chlorine would act as some sort of agent to cover or stop the decomp of human tissue? I mean, chlorine IS bleach.
The outline in the trunk … does anyone know what was used to make it? Like, there had to be some sort of something to leave an imprint. Did forensics test fibers in the trunk? If I were to toss something in my trunk, I’m not going to get an imprint no matter how long it’s been in there BUT, during the summer, I had a sand castle thinga-ma-jig that I left in there that was wet from the ocean, and sure enough, viola - IMPRINT in the carpet 6 months later. I haven’t vacuumed it to see if its just sand that made the outline … I’ve been lazy.
Again, this is all my opinion but somewhere in my mind, it makes sense. I just wish Casey, or any one of the Anthonys, would just come clean already.
Blink - #99:
Thanks for your reply. It is amazing to me, the twists and turns this case has taken. Truly - I’ve never seen such dysfunction.
And, yes - you can bet your bottom dollar they knew what was going on down the street from their home during that critical time period. If they weren’t there personally, someone had to have passed it along.
The depths to which the deceit has run through this situation and family is unmeasurable. It defies all logic and all reason. There isn’t a day that goes by when I don’t shake my head in utter disbelief.
They knew something was very wrong early on - and around the 13th - they knew that “something very wrong” was that their beautiful granddaughter was gone for good.
A very odd statement that STILL stays with me is on one of the first jailhouse video’s where Cindy says to Casey “We forgive anything you’ve said or done.” And, Casey says “Don’t worry, I haven’t said anything.” I think that was the July 25 visit.
If no other statement ever came in at trial…those few words surely speak volumes.
Incredible.
Teri,
I remember somewhere that George has a police scanner. That would have alerted them to Kronks call and the police “investigating” the call. Anyone else remember?
Wouldn’t the radios of County employees be picked up on that as well? Do they have a secure frequency?
B
I’m not sure but I’m trying to find where I read that.
It seems I remember one of the Anthony’s saying that they heard something on the police scanner and both Lee and George went to investigate????
Midwest mom: There isn’t any real ambiguity in the two years of Caylee’s life. A friend babysat for a while, until she learned Casey was lying about going to work. After that, acc to George and Cindy’s first most believable statements, the two of them were the babysitters 99% of the time. Like most sociopaths, Casey kept her dupes compartmentalized so that they would not be able to cross reference the various lies she was telling to everyone in her life.
There was something hinky going on the week of Aug 11. Dom Casey visited the jail first and then the A family pulled an end run on Baez while Baez was in New York. Kronk was visiting the woods, Keith Williams was all over the woods and even Dom Casey was somewhere in the woods. Why all the activity? Yes, when Casey started right off the bat lying to George and Cindy in the jail video, when Casey isn’t upset about Caylee, Cindy knew Caylee was dead. Knew that Casey was responsible.
As I keep saying, the real question is why Cindy and her puppet George decided to go over to the Dark Side. It all goes back to the Father’s day argument. What did Cindy say or do that got Caylee murdered? This new duct tape film just adds coals to the fire for those of us who feel that June 15 jolted Casey into action which Cindy believes is somehow her fault.
Maybe Casey isn’t smart, but won’t some of you give me that she was extremely devious?
As to the sexual abuse Casey claimed with Lee and or George or trauma from living with Cindy and the seizure Jessy reported.
Psychogenic nonepileptic seizures result from stressful psychological conflicts or major emotional trauma, often stemming from sexual and/or physical abuse, current or in the past, especially in childhood. Other causes include major life events such as death or divorce.
Accurate diagnosis of psychogenic nonepileptic seizures requires a high index of suspicion. Patients whose seizures are resistant to appropriate pharmacotherapy and who have a history of significant traumatic events, such as sexual or physical abuse, should be considered for further evaluation with electroencephalographic (EEG) monitoring. Other diagnostic clues are previous encounters with persons having epileptic seizures, frequent emergency room visits or hospitalizations for seizures, and a history of anxiety, panic attacks or depression.
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Positive implications include: 1) AEDs, with possible untoward side effects, will not be necessary (unless the patient also has seizures that are epileptic in origin); and 2) with supportive care, involving psychological therapeutic intervention, events will very likely improve. Early diagnosis and referral to a psychotherapist, preferably one knowledgeable about psychogenic nonepileptic seizures and their treatment, will enhance the outlook for recovery. Goals of therapy are restoration of function with cessation of nonepileptic seizures. Medications may be indicated for associated depression or anxiety disorders. Stress management techniques such as relaxation exercises or biofeedback may also be of benefit.
Positive implications include: 1) AEDs, with possible untoward side effects, will not be necessary (unless the patient also has seizures that are epileptic in origin); and 2) with supportive care, involving psychological therapeutic intervention, events will very likely improve. Early diagnosis and referral to a psychotherapist, preferably one knowledgeable about psychogenic nonepileptic seizures and their treatment, will enhance the outlook for recovery. Goals of therapy are restoration of function with cessation of nonepileptic seizures. Medications may be indicated for associated depression or anxiety disorders. Stress management techniques such as relaxation exercises or biofeedback may also be of benefit.
Kleat–I think you may be right–Casey could be the family secret. Although Casey herself may not know it. I just reviewed the jail video from Aug. 3 that Wendy posted (thanks, Wendy) and am amazed at the questions that George does NOT ask. I don’t care how many times he has asked before this visit, these are questions that just cannot go unasked when your granddaughter is missing and your daughter should have answers. I noticed that he wiped tears the few times he did venture to ask for additional info, or when he asked Casey to confer with someone else about Caylee. Tears of absolute helplessness and frustration, I am sure…he knew when he asked what response he would get. A big fat whiny nothing.
He was also very careful to include Casey in every comment he made about missing Caylee, loving Caylee…like he knew he should not sound as though he valued Caylee more than Casey. Kid gloves, extra large. He is used to this.
Blink,
While looking I came across a post from Sparkling that posted on your site. She has a scanner…this is what she says..
“I was learning this while lurking in the Sheddy case, I was listening to the police scanner. Lo and behold, I heard a very unusual disturbance call. LE was intereacting with squad and discussing this entirely inebriated female that was insistent she be transported to the hospital to be checked out. She was yelling and screaming like a banshee in the background and I thought to myself, this gal should give up drinking”
And to Jim Campbell and Tracey overhearing George’s apparently agitated statement that he was not going to ‘live this lie’.
Now, what date was that?
Police scanners in the home, if George didn’t have one, surely his ex-cop friend who arrived to help with a missing child case, could have got his hands on one. And maybe a few other things too– for investigating ‘the friends’ of Casey– recorders of their own, when those same friends met together with the Anthony’s. (Cindy was a recording fool– remember her Mn’M depos, and how big her carry bag was (and what she put in the metal detector going into the courthourse for her state depo first day?– camera or recorder)
To my knowledge unless a frequency is closed, you dont need a scanner at all. We have a set of Motorola 2 ways with an 11 mile range we use for travel, the beach, etc.. I think it has a ridiculous amount of channels.
B
Marine Mama, I think that you hit the nail on the head. I, will bet that George has a scanner and heard the call to investagate. He would also know the Police call signs for different crimes etc.
Blink, as I remember there are different frequencies for police, fire, etc.
No, anyone with a scanner and the right frequencies can listen in. I had a friend who had a police scanner.
Marine Mama -
Yes - I thought I remembered something about the Anthony’s having a police scanner. There is NO WAY they didn’t know that SOMETHING had been discovered back there.
Even if the Anthony’s went to search in the dead of night and never found “the bag” - they probably did see Caylee’s clothes. And, that was enough for them.
Such a true shame…all of this.
I cannot believe the love I feel for this little girl…and the anger and sadness I feel for the rest of the family.
ugh.
Blink,I worked as a police dispatcher for a small town years ago.911 control center channels were always broadcast throughout the towns and village police stations on the overhead (as well as our local channel) . If any “sensitive” info was to be put out they would switch to a secure channel or send it via laptop that all police have mounted in thier cars or have them call the control center via cell. we usually were told in advance if any info comes in on case# … to use these other means of relaying info.
You mean blink you believe Cindy let that baby ,her own blood, lay in a ditch swamp for months?The apples dont fall from this evil tree,I hope Cindy knows this will never be forgiven,I knew Lee was scum for his actions but I thought …I dont know what I thought. How do you live with yourself Cindy Anthony?
I believe to her there is a difference in “knowing” and K N O W I NG. Meaning, she was not found, so therefore it was not true.
I’m going to ‘adjust’ slightly the view of Cindy’s reactions to Casey in the August 14th jailhouse tape– not as if she is learning that Caylee is dead, she’s hearing it from Casey’s own mouth– confirmed in those little past tense slips.
George would then also have heard about William’s call to police about the bag of Father’s Day stuff and children’s clothes. Was that bag ever recovered by police?
(Why would William’s toss it back, why not put it in a dumpster? Was he still worried about ‘evidence’?)
I am not sure about Casey but I think Cindy is mentally ill. I think that her need to be in the spotlight is so unhealthy. Attending the funeral was not a show of support for Somer’s family. She could have called, sent a card or flowers or made a donation. Maybe she is posting on these blogs or maybe not. If she is, it just seems so unseemly and I can’t imagine anyone encouraging that. Do you? I can’t imagine life in her shoes, but she would garner more sympathy if she laid low and stayed out of all media. There would be many fewer contradictions in her account.
ANY call of police into the area of the family home neighbourhood and would be an alert to a family with a missing child, especially heart-stopping if someone like George had some suspicions of what was in the trunk and with suggestions from Casey about ‘her’ (or ’she’) as being close to home.
CINDY ANTHONY showed up at the Somer’s funeral !oh my god the woman has no shame ,what a sick person so lost in the head and soul.
Blink,
I KNOW you have connections! Find out if they had a scanner. If they did not own one..then Kleat is correct again..the ex-cop friend surely came up with one.
Geez!!!! I wish I could remember where I heard it. I know it was said!
Can you imagine yourself as a young child being not only tossed into a ditch or dump within a couple blocks of your very own home and your loving ‘parents/grandparents’ look the other way while you remain until you are degraded, decomposed, eaten at, dragged away, drowned, and the roots of plants invade your bones.
The ’story’ may just be so ingrained in those grandparents, supported by Brad and Michelle (not Mark) so that they can no longer let their ‘plan’ go. IF that was Caylee in the woods all along, IF she was there (in their minds), that would be crucifying to live with that knowledge– and knowing it was a conscious decision to ‘believe’ as a way to help the daughter, doesn’t go far to what those grandparents as essentially ‘parents’ of this baby, will have to live with once this trial is over. (even if they get Casey home again– they have to live with what they have done)
BTW, could Mallory have had time to recover and/or remove George’s big binder before leaving the Anthony home as police arrived? Did she have time to talk to Lee before the knock on the door? (George said sherrif’s office didn’t have the binder– but what about FBI?)
#111 Baby monitors are quite amazing too. My brother and his wife could pick up on telephone conversations from nearby neighbours. I don’t know if it has to do with frequency or what but you cannot deny the miracle of technology these days. Blessing or curse?
Regarding this finding, how on God’s green earth did y’all EVER come across this? Kudos to Candace Bond! There is no coincidence here. Hopkins? Zach? DUCT TAPE, ETC ETC ETC? I can’t imagine the best screen play writer coming up with a horror story as evil and twisted as this. I genuflect to all you who won’t stop until the truth is revealed. God speed and God bless Caylee and all those missing by loved ones.
Well, anyone can buy a scanner at Radio Shack.
Marine Mama, thanks, but I’m not very hip on police scanners and such, nor on mobile radios, but makes sense about the Motorolas etc, because CB radios have been able to scan police and ambulance calls for years. But I doubt George would have been out of ‘tune’. Thank Blink, not me!
Orlando Police To Begin Scrambling Radio Scanner Signals
Posted: 5:56 pm EDT March 10, 2008
Updated: 6:16 pm EDT March 10, 2008
ORLANDO, Fla. — In about two weeks, Orlando police will operate in a form of radio silence. The public won’t be able to hear the Orlando Police Department respond to crimes using police radio scanners. The department is scrambling their signal and they say it’s to keep criminals from listening in.
Critics say they use police scanners to be a watchdog and not being able to listen will allow cops to become the “secret police” with less accountability. Law enforcement says its about safety.
Joe Mattern has been listening to police scanners for 30 years. He says they kept him safe when a wanted criminal on the run was taken down by deputies in his backyard. Mattern heard the crook was coming his way and immediately locked the doors.
“If I didn’t have the scanner, I couldn’t equip myself and better understand harm was coming toward me,” he said.
Police scanners are about to go silent. Starting April 1, Orlando police will encrypt its new digital radios. The Orange County Sheriff’s Office will do the same thing by 2012.
The media listens to scanners so it can dispatch crews and get important information to viewers. Mattern and groups like Copwatch also use them to monitor police behavior .
“There will no longer be the ability to police the police,” Mattern said. “I think they are trying to minimize exposure to media regarding potential mistakes they make.”
Orange County Public Safety Director Mike McCoy said the goal is to protect officers and keep crooks from listening.
“You don’t want the public to know where your cops are all the time. That’s the genesis behind it,” he said.
Eyewitness News asked Orlando police why not only encrypt certain channels.
“So no one knows what our tactics are as we are coming up to the burglary or the robbery, because, like I said, the bad guys are listening too and they are using it to their advantage,” said Deputy Chief Karin Weaver, Orlando Police Department.
Eyewitness News checked and encrypting radios is not a violation of Sunshine Laws. Radio messages are not considered public record. After sitting down with both Orlando police and Orange County, they agreed to come up with a compromise so the media can listen.Copyright 2008 by wftv.com. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten or redistributed.
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This is the first I heard about Cindy attending Somer’s funeral. I can see how the Caylee Marie boat came in handy. This woman strives to be in the press but plays the victim of unwanted attention. (I’m beginning to think this is a case of reverse psychology…media is our friend but don’t let them know it). Not unlike Cindy’s list at Caylee’s memorial, if my child went missing, found murdered GOD FORBID, the Anthony’s would be the first names on the ‘DO NOT ALLOW ENTRY’ list. I’m disgusted as I’ll get out.
Grieving my @$$. After this, she’s going to be insisting another cruise is in order.
If it’s already mentioned, my apologies, but isn’t Aug. 13 the jail house visit where Cindy puts her hand to mouth and begins to sob? Was that the ‘light bulb’ moment for Cindy….Caylee’s dead and Casey is the reason?
105, Blink, Marine Mama. Word! The Orange County (Fl) Utility radios are on a non-secure frequency.
I confirmed this. There you have it.
B
Sorry, my above comment 125 is not correct. Please forgive my rushed judgement.
Ooops again…it showed it as being 125…but it’s 129. Infinite apologies. I just want to help find the truth like everyone else. xo <3
Thank you Blink a million times for all that you do here. Ive been meaning to say that for quite some time!
Kleat, Im still saying that you were right about the ex-cop friend being able to come up with a scanner IF George did not have one. lol
Wendy, thanks for reminding us about the ’stars’ and the ‘family’ comments by Casey! Great, we all heard that before, but you’ve brought that probably long-lost little comment back to the fore for us.
“She is the very top point of that… ” quote Casey to her father, ’she’ of course means her daughter, ‘Caylee’.
And Wendy, just prior to that, maybe around two minutes before 20 min mark, there’s something else very interesting that illuminate’s Cindy’s setting the Casey is good ’stage’ that she talks about with FBI, as we have seen in Cindy’s ‘home tour’ with Greta et all-media who would bring cameras in.
>>> ‘The Bible’. We heard Cindy say the next day after this video of George and Casey talk about how she wanted to give Casey ‘her’ own bible to have with her in jail. We see in the ‘Casey bedroom tours’, the neatly set Bible at bedside. Story– Casey reads ‘HER’ bible, keeps it at bedside, etc.
But what Casey says to her dad in this jail video around 18 minutes is quite a different impression.
Casey tells her dad that her mom brought ‘that bible’ to her…. she couldn’t have ‘that bible’…. NEVER once said that her mom brought ‘her’ bible, and she couldn’t have ‘MY bible’. This makes NO sense for Casey who is all about her and her wants, her things. And she doesn’t say she wasn’t allowed to have HER bible.
That was ‘that bible’ that her mother brought for her, she couldn’t have it but the jail had one for her, and she was keeping it on her bedside table (in that cell) so she would know where it is when she needed it. George said that she IS going to need to read it (adds, we all do).
Cindy set up the false impression of ‘that’ bible being ‘Casey’s bible’. Casey didn’t think it important enough to call it ‘mine’.
#117 R.L. Haley
Blink,I can understand Cindy not wanting to not know. But what I don’t understand is how Cindy and George could be even remotely ok with D.Casey and the aggressive,disrespectful and dare I say scary way he was stabbing/pocking around in the woods. D.Casey says he was working for Jose, Casey and the Anthony’s. This tape does not evoke sympathy for any of them except for Caylee.
Ragdoll, yes, it is the Aug 14th video– that’s what I intended to say yes.
I once visited someone and all of a sudden their bedside clock radio, maybe ‘on’ low or playing music in the other room unheard, started to talk very loudly– we could hear it from the living room. They went in– it was ‘playing’ someone’s one side of a telephone conversation!!! When realized that’s what it was, they shut it off.
Someone’s cordless phone being ‘received’ on the common, simple, cheap radio! I’ve never been a fan of ‘cordless’ phones since.
RL Haley, yes, but then the Somer’s didn’t plan to have a ‘blacklist’ of folks to not attend, like the Anthony’s did.
That’s fine if they want to go, no one can stop them, HOWEVER, it’s the underlying ‘motive’ of going– it would minimally be ‘reported’ in the media that they attended, maybe be seen on camera AGAIN for their own purposes. This isn’t a far reach.
I wonder if the Anthony’s have also attended funerals for children who have passed in recent months, but NOT from some sensational case, just a personal tragedy, accidental death… have they gone to attend those and if not, why not when they go to the ‘high profile’ one. That’s what is questionable about their motive and good reason to question given past behaviours.
They are in NO position to help other families through a tragedy when they are still publicly denying it was ‘Caylee’ they cremated to keep up the sham. They must expect people to be skeptical for good reason.
My friend and I heard her neighbor in the midst of a drug deal..it came over her TV!!!! He was on a cordless!! And a again on the baby monitor!
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Thank you for responding Kleat…what an honour! I was hasty in posting the date of the jail tape as being Aug.13.
WSH, I missed your comment about pdf files and saving as text– I’ve either read online and not saved, but if saved, it saves as pdf (but not able to use Mr. Alex to read them which would be great at times). What do you do? I haven’t tried converting the pages to text… got a suggestion? Thanks!
136….Kleat…YES! That’s exactly what I’m talking about when it comes to monitors. In my brother’s case, a baby monitor! Telephone conversations were being picked up and as clear as day. He was amused because some of these conversations he knows would embarrass the H E double hockey sticks out of them. Cordless phones no less.
Blink-I have been following this case since the very beginning and am posting for the first time. I would like to thank you for such an informative and respectful site. All of the “armchair detectives” here are doing a great job of putting all of the puzzle pieces together. I hope LE reads here just to see if they are missing anything!
I have a question that I have wondered about for a long time and I don’t see much discussion on it. One night on Nancy Grace one of the experts, I think it was the good lookin’ bald headed guy, said that he thought the Anthony house was probably bugged. This was during the time that Casey was out on bond. What are your thoughts on this subject, and what incriminating information, if any, do you think may have been heard behind closed doors? The were sly enough to use “Bat Phones” but what about the house?
My thoughts are the house was bugged within 8 hours of the 911 call, or shall we say surveilled digitally until such time a more permanent solution was “installed.” They wrote things down or spoke outside. Point is, even Baez was coming over and turning the stereo up. I think the tip on George’s firearm “overheard” and forwarded to Sgt. Allen.
B
I was just googling something and ended up finding a thread on Scared Monkeys 9/24/08 where Clint H (room-mate of Tony’s until beg of July 08) answered questions on SM. Couple of points: he does not believe KC was drugging Caylee & leaving her in trunk on a regular basis - due to weather conditions he believes she would have perished 1st time that would have transpired. And he answers one question (about Tony & KC’s relationship) with the remark: “I did think that they were moving fast but no it didn’t raise any red flags because we all liked casey and liked caylee even more.” !! - Caylee even more!!! So KC was competing with Caylee yet again for a group of boys’ affections. Motive.
Blink,
You have an amazing site. The people posting her are the most intelligent posters I have seen yet on this case. I am trying to get up to speed but have so much more to read.
That being said, I think Cindy’s plan is throw George under the bus to try to save Casey. I would bet money on a divorce after the murder trial. IMHO, Cindy is socking the money away to make up for all the years she has supported George and Casey. She has endured shame and humiliation - but remains enmeshed as a true co-dependent does. I think she had her own “aha moment”and is determined not to suffer anymore from their actions. She will have the means to dump George and give him a kick out the door. Lee is her sidekick. He’s not the mastermind- he’s the mouthpiece and accomplice.She is so fixated on getting her pound of flesh that she cannot see how this is disrespectful of Caylee. Therefore, much easier to believe Caylee is alive and displace her intense anger onto those who chip away at her defense mechanisms.
George has no choice but to support Cindy - he has to eat,doesn’t he? He has nowhere else to go and no means to pay his bills - because I bet all of the moolah is in HER name. He is expendable in Cindy’s eyes for what he has put her through. Has anyone else noticed how she has developed “Charles Manson eyes”? Serial killers are described as having “shark” eyes - on “48 Hours”, she certainly had them.
They do not realize that they “lost” Casey years ago and maybe never really had her at all. If Casey was such a good student until high school, something significant had to have happened to her for her grades to slip so badly. I would not disoount a rape - but not by George or Lee. I would surmise by a “boyfriend” or at a party while intoxicated. I don’t believe that she didn’t drink while underage. I could picture Cindy blaming her for the incident, especially since Casey was no longer her perfect “pure” daughter.
Casey has street smarts as well as above average intelligence with no conscience. She does not work and has plenty of time to think and plan all of her stories and actions. She’s no genius, but most people don’t think like she does and that’s how they get manipulated. Most of us give others the benefit of the doubt and look for the good in people. She trusts no one and is entirely self absorbed because of it. It is Casey against the world and Cindy for her survival. She is no different than Diane Downs and Sante Kimes. Many sexual abuse victims become promiscuous and use sex as a means to get what they want. Another possibility is the presence of an emerging Bipolar Disorder (over spending,impulsivity,hypersexuality, grandiosity, high energy with need for little sleep) along with an Axis II personality disorder. Not a good combo, but not enough to be legally insane.
The Anthonys are the epitome of an alcoholic family system. Substitute the addictions present in the family- gambling,compulsive spending,sex addiction,etc and there you have it. One common saying by co-dependents is “We lie when it is just as easy to tell the truth”.
Sorry for being so longwinded, but this is my psych nurse brain speculating.
OMG! Blink & Boz!
Makes me sick to my stomach!
Yep. If you have not watched the 8/14 jail visitation, don’t unless you went to feel worse.
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#141_Kleat
PDF
I know how to save the PDF. I just wondered if there was a way to excerpt or extract from it. I can cut and paste now, but basically it becomes an ‘attachment’. I don’t know how to extract parts & convert them into real text files. It would make it easier to pull parts of testimony rather then transcribing it over by hand, if I wanted to post them here.
WSH, sorry for the non-answer, but I do believe there is pdf to word conversion software or vice-versa.
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Anyone?
To the older ’speculation’ on George and the family secret, and scenarios that fit Casey as the model of the abuse victim, also more than that possibly– I have NO expertise, not even a single course in the area, so this is NOT about predicting about Casey’s behaviours.
I think there is something extremely revealing in George’s statements to the prosecutors in his deposition of the summer, and if anyone hasn’t read it carefully, go over the section of the early life, up to and through the birth of Caylee, and George’s being away from the house, leaving the house. And read about Cindy’s viewpoints as given by George.
I believe that early on, if there were gambling or email scam money losses, that was NOT why George left when he did. I think George and Cindy were facing the prospect of being ‘parents’ again with the birth of Caylee, for whatever reason in regards to Casey, this seemed to be what Cindy was bringing onto herself via her daughter.
I wonder if George ‘knew’ that Casey was pregnant as she was showing– he had to realize this, but was part of the need to let Casey keep her lie up about never having sex (she might have been subjected to parental ‘drilling’ about being good, not having sex too early when she began to date and all that– but Cindy style).
It seems that George might have had a far different viewpoint about bringing a baby into the home, which is a huge decision, but a couple having their own baby, that’s one thing. A daughter getting help to start her new life with baby, is another.
What if Casey had serious problems of irresponsibility that George knew about, and that George was the one who had his common sense meter alerting him to the problems of Casey having a baby, wanting the baby in the long run, and had ‘other’ suggestions to the situation because of his serious concerns about Casey being a mother (Jesse fixed that to an extent– for awhile), but also, did George want to be a parent again? (as distinct from ‘grandparent’ role)
Was this a disagreement in position between himself and Cindy, as the many rift that caused either Cindy to tell him, go on your own then because ‘Casey and Caylee’ are not going anywhere? If financial reasons came into play, I wonder if they were not the main reason, but they would go to Cindy being the matriarch, the provider, and Lee also, provider by Cindy-proxy.
George told LE early, about the email scam– very early. That might be to cover his reasons for leaving the home and Cindy and Casey with baby after the baby was born.
George might have had other options, opinions, to be considered by the whole family, but would he even be listened to? Not likely if Cindy said we don’t need you.
There are also the often stated ‘priorities’ of hierarchy in the family– Lee to Casey, George talking about the roles and the ‘fingers’. Lee in his state depo about who in the family was highest ranked to lowest, with Mallory being last.
Lee talking about CMA as all three women in his life (also in his state depo– explained by Lee, revealing, if not the whole picture or even the right one).
I think George left because Cindy told him he was not needed and if he did not agree to be part of her family under her rules, her financial control, her decisions about bringing baby up, and most importantly, about Casey’s problems of competence to be a ‘mom’.
‘Mom’, ‘mama’, Cindy in her depo commenting on how, at the Anything but Clothes party, she thought Casey was the best dressed of anyone (was Cindy there?? Anyone??). And Cindy adds– Casey was ‘dressed like a mom’. WTH????!?
(yeah, the ‘Mama’ name of the babydoll still bothers me– even with all the explanations, no one in that household, progeny of the main momma, had their very own identity. Not even the little plastic and cloth dollie. (but the dogs did have their very own names– but not the CMA’s– no woman without a tie to the mother figure)
#119_ada_Controlling image, controlling info, spin, controlling….
She’s probably ‘enjoying’ the most control in as many years; one kid living back home, another literally under guard and lockdown (so she gets to present Casey in a manner that best reflects upon herself; while Casey is “muzzled”), a husband ‘in complete line’ with the program, and a lawyer on board that either can not ‘get through’, or simply acquiesces to demands regardless of the peril and contrary to most legal advice and thought.
To me it sounds exhausting, but for one who appears to domineer, I’d think that it would only ‘feed the need’. The more you have have, the more you have to have; control. Conversely, the less you have, the more you become insanely driven to attain it.
This source itself is questionable, but it appeals to common sense. I have found no clinical /scientific references for “overpowering personality”, except one noted in the 1800’s:
“Overpowering personality is both a psychological and a physical affliction. …. But complications often arise due to the physical repercussions associated with an overpowering personality, which has been shown to be highly addictive in nature. This addiction is caused by the hormonal changes resulting from the Fight-or-Flight instinct. When a person feels threatened, whether physically or psychologically, the body’s Fight-or-Flight mechanism takes over. A repetitive exposure to the Adrenaline produced resulting from these hormonal activities can be highly addictive. It is this addiction that makes the domineering behaviour one of the hardest to control, as the afflictions are both psychological and physical. The need to control one’s surroundings must be consciously relinquished in order to overcome a domineering behaviour.”http://www.marriagedivorced.com/marriagecounselingsitemap1.html
Great post Cmaissol
Two other early things stood out, maybe for innocent reasons, but Cindy talking to the local news channel reporters in their living room, she and George on chairs, the interviewers on the soft couch (that puts them at a lower physical seated position– planned or not), and two police officers in the doorway. Cindy almost ‘bribes’ those reporters for their continued interest in the story, saying that wont’ this be a great thing for them, a great ending to the story of Caylee’s disappearance when she comes home, and that Cindy will pay all those media people back by bringing Caylee into each and every one of their studios “won’t that be a great thing” she bribes?
Why do you need media to be bribed for continuing a story of a missing baby– look at the thousands of volunteers who helped, with NO need for bribe. People do it for other reasons than money and fame and ratings and promotions on a newsdesk– maybe this concept does not compute for Cindy.
Another little photo, is Caylee at her first birthday (?) and a family male adult friend is holding a little radio with a microphone, as if he’s interviewing the baby with her little ‘recorder’ toy. Unplanned, but it hits home with the idea of Caylee being radio star, media star on all the shows when ’she comes home’.
Whoa. Finally read George’s deposition. Easier to see the big picture now…
Cmaissol–good points. Respectfully though, I do not think Casey’s grades went down the tubes suddenly. I think she dropped a class and didn’t want to make it up (if I am interpreting these depos correctly). Her parents looked the other way in this instance and many others that followed. If her parents actually questioned her or her situation, she would tell them everything was fine or that it wasn’t her fault, and they believed her–PRETENDED to believe her because, as George said many times in his depo, Cindy wanted to keep the peace and he wanted to keep the peace with Cindy.
Some MAJOR issues of concern that were brushed off by George and Cindy were: Casey not graduating with her class, not taking the credit during the summer, stealing $ from Lee via his checks, stealing $4,400 from Cindy’s account, lying about working at Sports Authority (George was starting to wise up–checked up on Casey, found out she did not work there, Cindy got angry because he confronted Casey)…Casey’s lying may have started small, but it grew infinitely as she was enabled by her parents. All of the above issues are things that they knew about but did not follow through on. Even after they confronted her about not working at Sports Authority–even though George talked with the manager, showed everyone there her photo and they said they did not know her– Casey insisted to her parents that they were wrong, she did work there. And they dropped it–according to George! Start reading his depo on p. 110…unbelievable, that they would just drop this, say okay we believe you, and go on.
She was used to getting away with whatever she wanted because her parents were the highest authorities in her life, and she had them wrapped around her finger. So yes–she did not look any further than hiding this tragedy from her parents. She never gave LE a thought, imo.
I too used to think that something traumatic must have happened to Casey to start this downward spiral. But now I’ve come to believe she is a product of some social disorder and extreme environmental enabling that has made it even worse.
I don’t know–if she kicks George out–she’d better watch out, because I bet he has some very interesting stories to tell about the family.
#119_ada
I wanted to add to my last post, that although the Anthonys probably sincerely felt sorry for Somer’s family, attending the funeral served a secondary purpose, in my opinion, and that is aligning themselves with victims of a STRANGER abduction and murder. Sorry for the cynicism, but after watching their carefully constructed presentation on 48 hours (with bible and little girl, etc), I have to wonder.
Off topic a bit but others have mentioned the Anthony’s attending little Somer’s funeral. All kidding aside, couldn’t they be treated as “persons of interest” in Somer’s murder? They’re already involved in the kidnap and murder of their own granddaughter. Don’t criminals like to return to witness the affects of their crimes?
I found this very chilling–and telling:
From George’s deposition, p. 110, regarding the conversation between Casey, Cindy and George when George confronted Casey about not working at Sports Authority:
Q: During this conversation with Casey, what is Cindy’s attitude?
George: I mean, she’s being very supportive of her daughter, which I’m thankful for that (wth?). She’s never not supported Casey a hundred percent. I mean, I’ve tried to be there a hundred percent for her, but–you know, just certain times you just question things.
How sad that understatement is. Hindsight is 20/20.
boz, you know that could be ironic for them in that LE would presumably have a presence and surveillance of attendees for just that ‘perp’ous. Not anything to do with the A’s of course. But they do gravitate to those cameras, don’t they.
It’s so false with Cindy.
Good post cmaissol! Listening to a book about serial killers/sociopaths by Jonathan Kellerman. It’s pretty interesting. I don’t think Cindy and George made Casey a sociopath, but they certainly added to her narcissism. I cringe at the thought of what kind of beating I would have gotten had I stealed and lied from my parents, brother and grandparents. I guess it’s almost too hard to even fatham trying to think like Casey-because we cannot wrap out head around the total lack of empathy and the whole “it’s all about me” attitutude.
My ex husband is a pathalogical liar and abuser. He would lie and I have to admit that early on in our relationship I bought everything he said- get this- and it’s embarrassing- I even believed him when he said he only took $3 out of the ATM (we had ANOTHER overdraft)..my god..I doubted him and he convinced me it was the truth. I mean come on, I knew they didn’t put ones in ATMs- but he was so convincing. When it came to the point that I just didn’t buy his crap-that’s when the beatings started. Guess Casey couldn’t beat her mother- but she could her child
Anyway- it’s a very very dark and scary place that these pathological liars live. I honestly think they believe their own lies after a while, I really do. That’s what’s even scarier. It just builds from there.
Watching the August 14 video now (again). She really plays her parents like a fine violin, doesn’t she? She threatens to hang up and they immediately bow down to her. It’s truly amazing. She can’t do anything from jail. If she was home, she could at least make phone calls and get on the internet. Why don’t they tell her that they can make the phone calls and search the internet? All she has to do is tell them who she would call and what she would look up!
She’s so frustrated (or as Casey says it “frushtrated”) right now. All because her parents are asking her questions. What a piece of work!
RE: Converting PDF to a WORD/TEXT Document.
I have some software for converting PDF to word or text files. Is there a PDF in particular that you need converted? I can run it through my software and post what you need from it.
Comment by Mayhem — October 28, 2009 @ 10:35 am
I just re-watched the August 14 jail tapes. When Casey was initially interviewed by LE, she made the comment “I know my mom will never forgive me.” Then, when her mom asks Casey on Aug. 14 what message she wants Zani to hear, she doesn’t skip a beat to say, “that I forgive her.” The eerie subconscious talking there. That’s about as close to a confession as I’ve heard her make.
Could Cindy be Zani?…. Could Casey be say I for give you Mom!
#147- the problem is that a pdf file is like a picture- that’s why you can’t cut and past words. You could open it- save it and see if you can right click and open in word- but I don’t know if that would work…worth a try though. But that’s the difference and problem- pdf is like picture- that’s why they’re good fax files. Hope that made sense?
past = paste Pam = embarrassed
Bottom line: Casey is a victim too!
Funny, I never would have thought of her as a victim. I’m glad she pointed that out for us dummies.
Catch 22 (or Here we go round the mulberry bush)
My perspective only:
There was a codependent situation thriving. Cindy had control. Control gives her self esteem and a sense of worthiness. Cindy is a perfectionist (look at the home), she likely feels that she has high standards. Casey probably had a difficult time meeting those expectations**** (see below in article) and could never be as good as Cindy, or any effort put forth by her. Not meeting expectations, Casey tries to shift the power structure by rebelling, ie stealing money. But then who has to ‘fix it’ ? Cindy. Now Cindy is back in control, Casey needs her.
Wash, Rinse, Repeat….
Here is an excerpt from an article by Bruce Gregory, Ph.D. He is involved with the culture inside corporations, where different personalities rule. He describes a narcissist here, but I think it can relate to a controlling individual. I do not know that Cindy is a narcissist, I’m not qualified to make that call.
Although this isn’t precisely analogous to a family dynamic, I think that you can see similarities, particularly where I have marked ****, which I have surmised is part of the situation that I believe existed.
http://ceres.ca.gov/tcsf/pathways/chapter12.html
It is critical to understand that the narcissistic defense is addicted to power and control. It, the defense, and they, the people who are controlled and possessed by the defense, must have power….. the person or group dominated by the narcissist, gains and holds power by dominating and controlling the flow of information, the rules, and the processes for participating in life.
One of the best places to spot narcissism, unfortunately, is at the top of a company or a public organization. The narcissism can be detected by being sensitive to resistance from the top. The top, or the person or persons at the top, will resist efforts toward change in process or structure. The resistance is communicated through a variety of techniques: always needing more information, appearing confused or having a lack of clarity; excuses; premeditated “blowups” or other distractions from whatever the issues being considered. …..Another common sign of narcissism is the experience of pressure. ****This pressure comes from the unrelenting demand for perfection which is necessary to the narcissism if the grandiosity and illusion of omnipotence is to be maintained. The employee or group member will feel pressure either to conform, or to continue producing until exhaustion. The pressure is unpleasant and contains the negative expectation that people can’t meet objectives through their own resources and cooperative participation without pressure from above. It devalues pride of accomplishment, commitment, and capacity to follow through and complete tasks.
When narcissism perceives that it could lose control of a situation or process, it often feels threatened. The grandiosity’s sense of omnipotence is being threatened. When this happens, narcissism’s response can be one of character assassination of those who are threatening its objectives. The presence of character assassination is another way of detecting the presence of narcissism.
There is another important way to recognize narcissism. Narcissism is often contained in language through the use of “I”. If a person listens carefully to another’s use of “I” one can detect the grandiosity inside, the part speaking for the whole.
And when questioning George about the night he was told that Casey was pregnant, they asked him if he asked who the father was and George said NO.
There is a major don’t ask/don’t tell policy in this family with the goal of keeping Casey happy. WHY??????
I need to get off this computer…I am home sick without children for this one day. You’ll probably never hear from me again after 3:00 when they get home! But I love to read everyone’s comments, every day. You all have FASCINATING posts!!
Question - this has probably been answered already, and if so I apologize, but are these jailhouse tapes going to be admissible during the trial? I’m betting that any good psycholgist could tear these apart and point out things in them that are very close to a confession (”she’s close”, “tell Zanny we forgive her”, “we’re going to see Caylee again and she’s going to be exactly like she used to be” - I paraphrased that last one because I don’t remember the exact wording Casey used but that is very close.)I remember my hair standing on end when I listened to those when they were first released. It seemed so transparent - even to a layperson like me!
ChicagoJudy, it’s worthwhile for a look back in threads to a post by Silverspooner (may take some looking) but there’s a very revealing look at her ‘anger’ and ‘rage’ at one moment in that videotape. You must really look full-screen, to see Casey’s ‘flash’ of rage appear, as she then ‘grrrrrrr’s and clenches her fist and screws up her face. The flash of rage in her eyes is only momentary before she does her grimacing and gets her breath again– it’s scarey.
What is the program called, that can convert PDF’s into text?
#134
But remember Caylee was also “that child”
Hello. Long time reader, first time poster. Blink, you are awesome and your site is The Best! Watching the instructional duct tape video definitely set off my creep-o-meter. It really confirms to me that Casey has to be one of the laziest murderers to walk the planet. She definitely has to be one of the dumbest ever. I know a lot of people feel she is above-average intelligence, but not me. Just listening to her taped conversations with the police, she tries to act smarter than she is and thus reveals what a dumb-dumb she really is. I would rank her about as intelligent as Jessica Lunsford’s murderer, John Couey. Casey is manipulative and conniving, but that is a far cry from above-average intelligence. She only got away with Caylee’s murder for 31 days because her own mother, Cindy, was her biggest enabler. You don’t have to be smart if you surround yourself with enablers. Casey reminds me of a benthic anglerfish who does nothing but wait for hapless victims to pass by and be angled in by her lures (assets)which by the way look as if they will never return to a pre-jail perfect 10. Thank you again for a very, very insightful site.
wsh, have you come across anything about narcissism that says the person uses other people as tools then discards them as described by some as a trait of sociopaths or psychopaths?
I was listening to one point of view that says the narcissist does not use others like this. (Yeah, I’ve had a narcissist in too close a family position, one member tagged this person immediately as bragging, arrogance, a physician of high position in his circles but never one to ever have hands on with a patient only chose a more lucrative field where others did the lower ranking work, no compassion, always ‘me me me ‘ and never cared how people under his control, treated or spoke to others. I will never support the national health organization of which this person ranked highly in position as it says a lot to me about that organization and the people who run it. This person did a lot of harm, compassion was beneath him and those of his social status. )
Sal, thanks– I’m sure I can do it, I’ll just have to look see
Thanks!
wsh, I see what you mean now, I thought you knew how– I had the same problem, can’t highlight, cut, or let Alex do the talking. Mainly it was just opening the versions online, I’d assumed that the pdfs were created by scanning docs into them, vs creating the text itself within the pdf, more like ‘pictures. I know we can scan text docs in a scanner, then convert that to text, just haven’t done that.
There has to be a way, but this could cause some errors I’d guess.
Police Scanner
A Private Investigator would likely have a scanner.
Or one can use their computer and listen on-line to OCSO (note: if one becomes a Premium Subscriber, one can access the audio archives from 2008). Here is the live scanner link for OSCO:
http://www.radioreference.com/apps/audio/?ctid=363
OCSO is still online, not OPD, but I dont think they are on the same channel as “county” anyone?
B
Has it been said if George is Casey’s biological father ?
SOMETHING THAT IS NOT CLEAR TO US IS THAT! we know very little of cindys upbringing other than the fact that she is the only girl amongst three boys. we do not know how cindys mother ran her house and the dynamics there! little is known or said of that! and it does have a big part in who she is as an adult what made her that way was she raised as casey was raised ??? not judging or anything but doesnt sometimes that fit into
the apple doesnt fall to far from the tree?
I guess the Ants will become professional mourners at childrens’ funerals. In some ways it’s a poor man’s version of how Adam Walsh and Mark Klass channeled their grief into fighting the bad guys, but since the Ants are in a peculiar position of having their own kid as the murderer, they can’t quite pull off those nobler missions. It’s a mess.
lol Comment by columbiares
I got a kick out of the $3
I was raised in a strict home and trust me the rod wasnt spared when I was a kid. Raised just one of —12— kids I usualy made a quick run but when I was caught low and behold. I recall once when my mom tried to kick me in the butt out of anger and reflex !! she broke her toe. I was only 4ft11 or still am and she was 4ft 9 so I kinda had an advantage over her so if she couldnt do anything else she would sit on me lol. but we were never abused just taught that there are consequences with our actions!! to this day were all adults still alive and as far as I know we have no narcissistics or sociopaths in our family. were all well adjusted and live our lifes with good standards and integrity!! my parents didnt fght for who would do the dicipline they both shared equaly. the anthonys are paying the price for lack of dicipline and accountability with casey. Something very wrong there… we all know cindy rules the roost and its all about looking like she has her family under control but little does she know how foolish she sounds because we know so differently. casey is so much like her mother and other family members. I just get so upset when I reflect on the time casey was returning to jail with lee handcuffed to her or visa versa and the infamous high five. not to forget lees inappopiate laughter. those four would make for a good case study.
to bad were not back in the 50’s they would be good canidates for a lobotomy ….
columbias for a minute there I thought we were maried to the same man. I was married to a horrific liar extremely even his own mother called him on things he would say. He actualy had people believing he had once been rich and lost his wealth to all his x wife’s for child support. Te truth be he has 12 kids and nver aid child support for one child.
So I found the $3 story right down his alley thank god and greyhound he’s gone and if he didnt take the grey hound
he is probably still swimming back to hawaii poof
thus the anthonys and casey can tell lies and make themselves believe it to be true. they have convinced themselves not normal!!
Blink,
I hate to keep up with the Police scanner subject and if you dont want to post this I totally understand.
Have you found out if George did have a scanner? Im wondering if it was Padilla that stated that there was one in the house.
Again, sorry not trying to get off subject here.
Sometimes you can crack a PDF with conversion software, and sometimes you can use a higher end Adobe program (like Acrobat, or whatever comes with the adobe suites that have Illustrator or InDesign) and copy text from it using one of the advanced editing tools, but it kind of depends on how the pdf file has been saved in the first place. Sometimes you can’t do a darn thing with them, unless you print and rescan them with OCR software, but that’s a thankless job, lol.
I love it when someone posts the discovery in a searchable format (sometimes within the same dump, you’ll find the same doc both searchable and unsearchable, depending on which site you go to), but most times you can’t even do that. Maddening!
http://www.sydneytheatre.com.au/Tot Mom - Coming soon from the Sydney Theatre Company
Posted on Sunday, October 25 @ 22:07:42 EST by Nick Terrell
Sydney Theatre Company presents
Tot Mom - Created by Steven Soderbergh
18 December 2009 to 31 January 2010. Opens 23 December 2009 at 8pm Wharf 1, Sydney Theatre Company, Pier 4, Hickson Road, Walsh Bay.
The much anticipated final production of Sydney Theatre Company’s 2009 Main Stage season, directed by Steven Soderbergh, explores issues associated with a real life murder case that is still unfolding in the United States. Tot Mom is based on events following the June 2008 disappearance of two-year-old Caylee Anthony in Florida and the high profile investigation into her disappearance, later discovered to be a homicide. The production is at Wharf 1 from 18 December 2009 to 31 January 2010.
Olivier Award winning and Tony Award nominated actress Essie Davis, last seen at STC seven years ago in The School For Scandal makes a welcome return to the Company and leads a stellar cast that also includes Wayne Blair, Zoe Carides, Damon Herriman, Rhys Muldoon and Peter Kowitz. The creative team is comprised of designers Peter England and Tess Schofield, lighting designer Damien Cooper and Composer/Sound Designer Paul Charlier.
The strange facts of the Caylee Anthony case baffled police investigators and sparked intense and sensational media interest in the US. Nancy Grace, an often controversial legal commentator and host of a popular CNN nightly TV show of her own name, led a crusade for ‘justice for Caylee’ as the tragic story became a 24-hour news spectacle.
Using excerpts from transcripts of Nancy Grace’s show, court documents and police reports, Steven Soderbergh has created a compelling drama for these
sensation hungry times.
Cast: Wayne Blair, Zoe Carides, Essie Davis, Darren Gilshenan, Glenn Hazeldine, Genevieve Hegney, Damon Herriman, Peter Kowitz, Rhys Muldoon, Emma Palmer.
Director: Steven Soderbergh. Set Designer: Peter England. Costume Designer: Tess Schofield. Lighting Designer: Damien Cooper. Composer/Sound Designer: Paul Charlier.
Box Office: 9250 1777 or http://www.sydneytheatre.com.au
Tickets: $30 to $75
.Casey Anthony update 27 October 2009, Shame on Cindy and George
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Now why on earth would Cindy and George show up for a funeral of a little girl, that they couldn’t even go out and search for? Isn’t that what their fraudation is all about? Going out and helping search for missing children. Guess not, they haven’t help with any of the searches, though they claim to have helped look for one missing child.
Lets look at the difference in the 2 families:
Diena Thompson: told the truth, thanked the searchers and everyone who helped, Law Enforcement. Had a memorial for Somer and invited the public.
Casey Anthony: Lied from the first moment of where was Caylee. Never thanked anyone, never showed any emotion, went to block buster the night Caylee went missing………………
Cindy, has lied on tv, started a fraudation to make money off of Caylee, sold pictures of Caylee, had the nerve to tell the media she went on vacation on them, has never helped in anyway but maybe 1 case to search for a missing child. Had a memorial for herself and claimed it was for Caylee, put out a list of who could not attend. Is very disrespectful and thankless…………………oh I could go on, but I
http://humbleopinionforum.net/blog/
have to calm myself down!
Oh I forgot, their fraudation is about being an advocate for families and help families emotionally, and give advice on dealing with the media. I guess that they are counselors now and will call families and tell them how to lie to the media! I guess they are NOT going to go out and search any more. So what is that boat for anyways? And must I mention, yes I should, Caylee fraudation is donating money to the Kidfinders. How many kids has kidfinders found?
OSCO On-Line Scanner - - clarification:
Just so I don’t mislead anyone, I am not a subscriber to the linked radio site, so I do not know if their 2008 audio archives includes communications related to Caylee Anthony, or if they did once but perhaps are now redacted. Needed to clarify that in case someone decided to sign up and check out the archives. I don’t want to mislead anyone into thinking something is definitely there.
I am of the opinion that they bought the boat to make themselves look legit! as tim miller has a boat amongst other resources to look for the missing.
these people have fought LE and anyone that tried to render assistance in the search for caylee.
than they start a fraudulent child org. for what I just dont get it!! but than I dont get how they think act etc etc like many of you here! I am so frustrated with them .. disgusted.. they lie they defraud most of all they DISRESPECTED LITTLE CAYLEES MEMORY!! THEY have made casey more important than caylee!!! but try as they may casey will either get the needle or die in prison she will not walk I cant even imagine how they would have any dialog with eachother if she was freed. she will never come home even if that was her last resort!! maybe annie will take her in and like all I think annie knows alot because she is the only one thats remained her friend right? and probably knows why and how this went down. dont you think they went outside t speak? they knew the house was bugged. geez
LOL Exactly Chica- mom always said she’d stand on a chair and kick our butts if she had to do so. Dad taught us that if want ANYTHING in life we had to work for it.
I disagree that Casey is stupid. There are all kinds of smarts in the world. Unfortunately being devious and manipulative really is a kind of “smart”. It takes smarts to read people. Look at doctors- I always say they had their heads in books during the socializing years and most have no concept how to socialize and LISTEN to patients. They’re book smart- not so much life smart. My brother has a doctorate of theology- yet he can’t figure out it’s not good social skills to split a dinner ticket between 3 people in half- when he and his wife are the other two people- guess he figures God sees them as one entity so I should..lol I have a cousin who’s a psychologist who is so book smart but is so niave in other ways. I kind of figure this is God’s way of leveling the playing field- you can’t have it all…just my humble opinion LOL
suz, thanks. At least with the last doc dump of state transcripts, there is an index, and sometimes it makes a very easy search for a page.
chica, amazing– that is Sydney in Australia!
http://www.cayleedaily.com/
My dear Chica-
you cant post entire articles with or without a link. You can post relative to topic articles, with a “snippet” and corresponding link, but otherwise it is really against fair use practices. No harm, I know alot of folks arent aware of that.
B
Kleat
“wsh, have you come across anything about narcissism that says the person uses other people as tools then discards them as described by some as a trait of sociopaths or psychopaths?”
You know, I’m pretty sure manipulation is key, but I don’t know if I read the term specifically “using”, I’ll have to look. Probably. Or I read it here?
EVERYONE:
Hey big shout out there for everyone that answered the PDF question and offered help!
Re: PDF to Word conversion. Try http://www.zamzar.com
It’s online and usually within a couple of hours you get the conversion by email. Sometimes can take a day or two if they are backed up like on an Anthony doc dump day!
Anyone have any “Abigail” info?
“OCSO is still online, not OPD, but I dont think they are on the same channel as “county” anyone?
B”
Hello, Blink.
Back in August (11-13) 2008, I believe it would have been the OCSO dispatcher and officers(deputies)/cars communicating with each other, responding to locations like Suburban Drive.
Yes, my furry friend, you are correct Blink is on overload and was thinking Cain was OPD. Duh.
More cheese for you.
B
As far as the A’s, I am not aware that they had a P.I. working for them at that time in August 2008, who might have had access to a scanner . . .
“George, I think you know a lot about a lot of things.” OSCO detectives to George, early interview.
I am tending towards including in that list, what Casey’s risk taking, school failing, lying, stealing behaviour indicated from long before this happened. The ’split’ from the home wasn’t simply what George portrayed to those same investigators. Sad that when George returned, he was not able to ensure Caylee’s safety and security in that home environment, no matter how many little door knob handle child-safe things, or cupboard latches, or hidden shed keys, or no cigarettes allowed could provide.
But George didn’t put safety first either– he seems to be an ‘appearances first, safety second’ type guy with his little ‘that’s not me’ story about the duct tape over the gas can vent hole– only small, neatly fitted job for him and never drove with the vent not taped because he didn’t want the smell of gas in his car. Right– no fear that a spark would ignite those extremely flameable fumes building up on a hot day in Florida in his car. Or a spill from the can if that small tape job wasn’t enough in an accident. Not safe. That ‘more tape sloppy job, depending how it covered, might have been more suitable just because there’s more area stuck down, but what about George’s neat little bit of tape, small, just the right size to cover the hole around it’s rim? Rubber adhesive and gasoline as solvent– how safe is that and for how long….
Thanks again, Sal– may take you up on that in the future, am ok at this time.
Nice offer though.
oops ok blink didnt know please delete
I know Chica- I did, it’s all good friend.
You better hit the loft and rest, that’s an order. Not condescending, just want to make sure your iphone is in the drawer
B
ok, I’ve only read about 30 posts but I have to ask this and maybe it is covered later on in the posts but please: connect this to Casey somehow for me. Did LE find a version of this on her computer or any of the Anthonys computers? I didnt find the vid very christian based with the bound up children and the children with duct tape over their mouths to keep them quiet. I understand the release date coincidence but thats all it seems to be unless you know that Casey saw this. Do you know that? If not this is just an excersise in connect the dots and frankly I think, not up to par with what you have published in the past regarding this case.
Karen- I can respect that. In the words of my Editor and Partner, somtimes some will think your work is IKEA, sometimes it is Sothebys.
You cant make Ikea into Sothebys quality so don’t try. I won’t.
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Blink
You may or may not want to publish this. This isn’t intended to ridicule, but it addresses some issues in comical form. Plus it was fun.
SATIRICAL
This is a list generated by the ‘idea guys’ (that I imagined and made up) while at a secret locale, probably somewhere in a bunker below ground, in I’ll say- Roswell NM, brainstorming points about their top secret assignment: RDP (or the reasonable doubt project.) It needs to be read as if spoken by “The Family Guy”.
RDP
1) Casey is not John Gotti, hence she couldn’t have possibly murdered her child. Because only mob figures, in the history of the entire world (through all ages), have ever been successful in cleaning up & lying after a crime.
2) Cloak & dagger, or nothing is really as it seems!
a. False names, were given like “Zenaida” by the nanny, so now she can’t be, nor ever will be traced ! She lied for 2 years. Yeah that works!
b. Like invisible ink, text messages, phone calls, emails and fingerprints from the fake named culprit disappear from the ‘receiver’s records or items’, immediately upon inspection by detectives. *POOF* You know, maybe one or two of the jurors saw Mission Impossible.
3) People with similar names that may have traveled only briefly on vacation through Orlando, seem suspicious…. although, ah, wait, false names were given, so how do I know if it is even similar?… and so….uh… thinkin’ here, oh wait she had a job, where people might notice she’s not at work, bummer… never mind on to number four!
4) Twisted science( like a pretzel): the results, ( or the scientific technology) isn’t valid, oh wait, THIS ONE IS …..it looks exculpatory. Yeah, that’s right. Not that one though. THIS ONE, only this one. This one works.
5) Anybody hungry? I could eat. Okay, Let’s work on this later…next week, I’m burned out.
lol. I think I always look to the satirical when I need it. Readers Enjoy!
ps. I must disclose something I hope I dont get pelted with “e” baguetts over-
I have never seen Family Guy, I could not tell you what he looks like or sounds like. (Donning a butter suit if you must)
B
I am glad you are feeling better Chica. I missed reading your posts.
Blink, probably equally as effective with the voice of Homer Simpson.
who?
heh heh
B
Is is true the Anthony’s have moved from their Hopespring residence? If this is true, I’m really curious about the new house, the toys and merchandise that came with the joint.
For my own sanity, I hope this is wrong. If it is true, do they really think that ‘movin on up to the east side’ by slippin out at night is gonna fool even the least observant? And I would REALLY love to know where the Caylee Marie is parked these days. My point being….are they hoarding like the Madoff’s with their new found riches?
PS…Blink, never watched family guy either Blink. I only know of Brian the dog. Who wouldn’t love a talkin dawg with a tude like Brian’s?
dderma…I read your post then skipped down to comment. Thank you for clearing my brain. That is exactly the why I see it!
What is so sick and disheartening to me is that Lee and George know that what led to Casey’s treatment and ultimate disposal of innocent little Caylee is Cindy’s refusal to ever hold Casey accountable.Yet knowing this, they still continue to support Cindy and Casey’s lies.
In the past, Cindy always made excuses and refused to see what was right in front of her face when it came to her beloved daughter. IMO Cindy never gave her love and acceptance freely to her husband nor to her son. It seems to me, both Lee and George are forever trying to please Cindy. Yet, Cindy is forever trying to please Casey. In order to please Casey, Cindy forces her son and husband to put on blinders and demands that the world put them on as well.
IMO Casey was the only one in the Anthony family that Cindy ever loved unconditionally. No matter what Casey did or said. Cindy’s love was unquestionable. Little Caylee came along and WHAM. Suddenly, there was another that Cindy unconditionally loved. She loved Caylee so much that she began to question Casey’s lifestyle and choices all in a attempt to protect little Caylee.
How angering this must have been to Casey. IMO Until the time when Caylee was born, Cindy always took Casey’s side no matter what, no questions asked. Then because of Caylee, her daughter, a present, which Casey gave to Cindy, Casey now had to toe the line or else. Well, why not just take that present back? Why not teach Mom what she seems to have forgotten?
“What is given, Can be taken away. Everyone lies, Everyone dies. Cindy seems to have learned the lesson well. After all, Casey is right back where she longed to be #1 in Mommy’s heart. No questions asked.
Re#186 “It takes smarts to read people.”
Getting smart depends on what you read. Apparently Casey was reading things like neck-breaking, chloroform, missing children and googling duct tape….
Oh yes and Cindy said Casey was a voracious reader. Cindy says it so it must be so. More likely a voracious reader of trashy sex novels when she was not reading up on how to kill her child given as to what her extracurricular activities were….
Was John Couey devious and manipulative when he buried poor little Jessica Lunsford alive in his back yard in a garbage sack? He could color too. Does that him an artist make?
Just wanted to suggest a helpful site in understanding sociopaths. BUT, since Blink mentioned ‘fair use’
aspects (which I’m clueless about) I’m nervous about it. Apologies in advance if I’ve gone about this in the wrong way…
The site deals mostly with love relationships and is very insightful into human behavior:
“Sociopaths have no heart, no conscience and no remorse. They don’t worry about paying bills. They think nothing of lying, cheating and stealing. In extreme cases, sociopaths can be serial rapists and serial killers.
Think you can spot a sociopath? Think again. Sociopaths often blend easily into society. They’re entertaining and fun at parties. They appear to be intelligent, charming, well-adjusted and likable. The key word is “appear.” Because for sociopaths it’s all an illusion, designed to convince you to give them what they want.
Sociopaths are masters of manipulation. So before you give away your love, your money or your life, read this website and the Lovefraud Blog.”
I thought this was interesting also in regard to Kleat’s point about “appearances.”
# 191 Who is Abigail?
Can someone post a link to the August 14th video at the jail..besides the youtube version?
206
I found a link but the video may still be a youtube copy. xo
http://itsamysterytome.wordpress.com/2009/01/15/lost-jailhouse-visit-between-george-cindy-and-casey-anthony-august-14-2008/
PS…just scroll down a touch…….it’s in 4 parts
Sorry…the post #’s keeping changing, the link was for Debidoll, #207
#207….Debidoll, not a YOUTUBE version =)
http://www.wftv.com/video/18490326/index.html
A good movie to watch about sociopaths, is the Diane Downs movie with Farrah Fawett..it gives you a real feeling on how a mother can kill a child and have no regrets and justs moves on…her and Casey draw a similar line in personality.
Thank you Ragdoll..((((hugs)))
Regardling the 08/14 jail visit and Cindy’s reaction, I notice that Casey has a smile on her face. Could THAT be what alarms Cindy??? Casey looks like she’s sitting down for breakfast with the family! It is a freaky reaction for Casey to ’smile’ even if she just woke up and hasn’t seen her parents for a while.
#62 & 93
I’m sorry, I am not the sharpest knife in any drawer. I have never heard the term ‘google fitting’ . Would anyone be as so kind as to explain?
I just can not open the WFTV video..it just goes no place.
CJ- there’s a difference between being morally correct and being intelligent. Try Ted Bundy- most sociopaths are at least average or above average intelligence. I don’t believe for a minute that Casey is “dumb”. The act of killing her child is “dumb”, her stealing is “dumb” and her lying is “dumb”. The minute you place your guard down and think you above intelligence of a sociopath- then you are prey…………..my humble opinion.
Regarding the 08/14 jail visit, Casey is very happy in that video. She is once again the center of attention and George and Cindy are going along with the Zanny the Nanny story….
columbaries - But, most people are not even aware they are being taken advantage of by a sociopath until after the fact. I agree that Casey is probably of average intelligence. I definitely think she thought she was smarter (prettier and funnier) than anybody else and thereinlies her downfall. I don’t think she is in the same league as Ted Bundy or Drew Peterson per se. I also lean toward if Casey had gotten away with Caylee’s murder, she would have gone on to lead a normal life and have had more children. Thank you for your most thought-provoking response.
Momof3–re 203–I think you are right on. So well stated.
I agree that it was not Cindy who was in control of that family…it was Casey, via Cindy, who was doing everything under the sun to keep Casey happy. Until the end that is, when she started tightening the screws on Casey…and now it seems it is Cindy who feels the heavy weight of guilt.
Traits of a sociopath–
1. failure to conform to the social norms for lawful
behavior, as indicated by repeatedly performing illegal
acts that are grounds for arrest
2. deceitfulness, as indicated by repeatedly lying, use of
aliases, or conning others for personal profit or pleasure
3. impulsivity failure to plan ahead
4. irritability and aggressive , as indicated by repeated
physical fights or assaults
5. reckless disregard for safety of self or others
6. consistent irresponsibility as indicated by failure to
keep a job or honor financial obligations
7. lack of remorse, as indicated by indifference or
rationalizations for having hurt , mistreated or stolen
from others
The sociopath is very intelligent and knows how to
manipulate people into thinking they are normal and that is
when they work their magic. Beneath the mask of sanity a
sociopath is full of tension, hostility, irritability,
rage, emptiness and sadness at the core of the sociopathic
personality. When they hurt a person a sociopath might
think he had it coming or I’m watching out for number 1.
Those sociopaths with children neglect them and do not keep
them safe.
Just a thought that “google fitting” means Casey was typing terms such as duct tape into the google search engine and punching the I feel lucky button, reading the information that came up and then using it to fit her situation/story/lie????
I coined the term, so my bad for not taking the question. For me, google fitting is the retroactive term for the electronic based aibi.
B
Kleat #123 ..
“BTW, could Mallory have had time to recover and/or remove George’s big binder before leaving the Anthony home as police arrived? Did she have time to talk to Lee before the knock on the door? (George said sherrif’s office didn’t have the binder– but what about FBI?)”
Are you insinuating that Mallory may have taken George’s binder to give to the FBI to help convict Casey? or that Mallory may have taken the binder herself and kept it to make sure LE or the FBI never found it in order to help Casey (and indirectly Lee)? Not sure how to take that one … I’m thinking it’s a good possibility that she did actually … for whatever reasons. The fact that Mallory didn’t kick Lee to the curb right after his romantic little confession to her about his mom, Casey and Caylee always coming first is proof enough for me that she fits nicely right into their family.
Honestly, I would not put it past Hoover to have collected that, if it came back from CA. That dufus escaped Fed charges from his antics because he gave a statement OCSO found useful. Who takes a concealed image of an FBI agent executing a warrant?
B
I don’t think that Casey says Caylee’s name once in the video…she refers to her as…that kid…my baby…but I don’t recall her calling her Caylee…she is so self asorbed and states she can’t really talk because they will use it against her at TRIAL…I thought that interesting…she continues to tell her parents she is out of the loop and does not have any connection…while in the same sentence she tells them that she has complete communication with Jose, letters from fans, and is aware of how she is viewed by the media..It is most interesting that the parents treat her like she is a fragile butterfly…I love you baby..sweetie…if she was my daughter i would of come through the glass, grabbed her neck and choaked the Fuc_ out of her….sorry, but that is how disturbed she made me feel about this little angel, that probably still smelled like baby…gone, gone, gone..and know one really cared in her family, about Caylee…Casey was the Princess.
Columbias and Chica — I was married to him too! Pathelogical liar, abuser, I thought he was an orphan until I discovered 3 siblings! And bi-polar to boot — I can can surely empathize with those of us that are survivors of this kind of personality.
On another note, anyone close to the A’s in Orlando? The foundation has passed it’s 1 year mark and has to file financial statements which are public. All one has to do is go and ask for them, they have to give them to you.
I forgot to mention the line about her reading the bible all day with her head under the pillow and how miserable she was…well, guess she did not get the Bible…cause it should of given her some solace for the day..some strenght….then when she tells her Dad that she knows how important it was to the stranger that her parents allowed into the home…more than they will ever know…she did not even know the man…she is really a very disturbed young woman..Jose should of gone for the color me crazy plead!
#218- Sigh- that’s true CJ- unfortunately, eh? Sigh
dang columbaries that is casey anthony in a nutshell she fits ever single one of those discriptions to the capital T!!
Sosad-
Different individual with the same name-
B
#221 Great word - google fitting. Bowing to the wordmeister Blink! Wouldn’t surprise me to hear this word again in the future. It is just so appropriate.
#220 - That’s defnitely Casey. So scary and what a waste, huge waste.
Casey spent 2 years looking for a male to marry her and be a baby daddy. Suddenly she stopped that when she went into a relationship with TonE. Not saying that TonE was responsible..saying she abruptly stopped looking for a baby daddy/ husband material for some reason.
Prior to that time Jesse, Brandon, Mark Hawkins all were good husband and father material..if you will. Even Ricardo and that crowd loved having Caylee with them.
So why the sudden switch to a crowd that was not used to children and therefore would buy the nanny story lock stock and barrel? All still in college, all still just living that single college life..no real cares in the world?
What made Casey decide that she’d rather be single and childless then keep looking for a husband to take care of them both?
It appears that Caylee was supposed to be her ticket to freedom. I do believe she knows who the father is and he bowed out once she was pregnant. I do believe she was starving for attention in that household. When she entered her early adolescence her brother got the attention with his illness..so she started doing things then, lying, stealing, etc…still no love..no attention. Virtually dropped out of school (she had to know she was a credit short)..did not attend summer school..still no attention. If I have a baby then that baby will love only me. A mini-me..how wonderful.
Gets pregnant, baby daddy runs out or isn’t husband material, baby is born..baby gets the attention. Looks for a man to get her out of this situation..they all love Caylee and her. These men spent time trying to reassure her that life will be fine…nope..they had to love her and like Caylee. So the ticket to freedom has to go..Caylee..then she can do her own thing and find her own life…………and get even with everyone who ever didn’t love just her enough.
Very simplistic life of a psychopath. Ask Cindy how it ever got that far..ask Cindy why she said her daughter was away bonding with her 2.5 year old…when that should have happened in the first couple of months after birth. Casey had bonded with Caylee as much as she could, she thought Caylee would be hers alone..she didn’t realize that others would love Caylee as much as they did. Poor Casey tried to use Caylee to her advantage in finding a mate..but all the mates loved Caylee..not fair..they needed to only love her (Casey)
lol sosad
this man had great visions of grandure he sure got around from making everyone think he had yachts to what I last heard ! he was jailed for welfare fraud!
mind you his kids were all grown and gone well they were never around him but lets say grown and living their own lives. looks like we all had men that made their rounds. too funny.
#206 correction to #191. I meant Annabelle - brain cramps!
Debidoll — #215
I just can not open the WFTV video..it just goes no place.
I can not access any of the Anthony jail visitations either.The photos don’t work either,since yesterday.
Is anyone else having this problem? Judge Strickland didn’t rule on destroying the tapes did he?
Oh, a PS to my above comment..don’t be surprised tohear in Mark Hawkins interview that Casey was about to take him up and come live in California with him. She would have said she gave Caylee to her dad and it was better for Caylee if they never interacted again. Just my opinion..but the girl wanted out of the house, the baby didn’t do it and had to go, the fight with Cindy cemented her research to action, and the rest is history. But TonE was not going to be around for long as a boyfriend. I do believe she was going to rush into Mark Hawkins arms ..passport in tow.
234 RE: jailhouse visit tapes.
What browsers are you using and is your pop up blocker on? These things ‘can’ be the cause of the problem. I always use Opera as my browser. Works for everything.
ragdoll
please let me know if in fact it is true that they have moved. perhaps the money from the fraudulent foundation afforded them a nicer place. a step up in the world?
#219 jennyt, Thank you for your comment. I agree with you, guilt has a great deal to do with Cindy’s interactions with Casey .
Just when I think I have some insight into this family’s behavior something new is brought to light. Suddenly there I go again pondering the unfathomable. KWIM
215 Debidoll. Sorry, I don’t get why it’s not working for you. I tried the link I left for you and it works for me. If you’re using Firefox, that could be why it’s not working. I quit using that browser because I could never get any videos to work on it especially on youtube.
Also, the video takes a half minute to load, then an advertisement, then the actual jail visit. If that doesn’t work, I’ll try finding you another link. Just let me know!! xo
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I hope this works. It does for me! There’s a few seperate clips……they’re not all on the same stream. Good luck Debidoll! xo
ooopppsss….the link is:
http://video.google.ca/videosearch?hl=en&q=casey%20anthony%20jailhouse%20visits%20august%2014&um=1&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&tab=wv#
I’m sorry for the repetition, but I cannot find a better source for the Aug. 14 vid than the one I provided earlier. Again, if you are unable to view it, it could be Firefox or your internet options (pop up???) It works for me on IE and Opera.
http://www.wftv.com/video/18490326/index.html
No more from me tonight, promise. Sorry I couldn’t be of further help.
Love and light~
Does anyone know the significance about the menu Casey speaks of during the jailhouse visit I believe on Aug 14. Cindy questions her about it.
Gypsy DD, I couldn’t agree more with your belief that Mark Hawkins was Casey’s final destination. Casey thought she had until Caylee’s B-Day to hang around Florida. IMO She thought she could stay one step ahead of Cindy, George and Lee. She would have to produce Caylee by B-Day or be safely out of the area.
Your posts are so thought provoking! Respectfully, I don’t know if agree that Casey was looking for a father figure for Caylee. She seemed to drop Jesse when he wanted to be a loving father to Caylee. Casey seemed to resent it when others cared for Caylee too much. Perhaps, she did this if others got to close to her too. When Ricardo told her he loved her, her response was too little too late. Also, Casey seemed to always have another man on the side/waiting in the wings.
You wrote: “So why the sudden switch to a crowd that was not used to children and therefore would buy the nanny story lock stock and barrel? All still in college, all still just living that single college life..no real cares in the world?”
I think this is a huge point. Thanks for bringing it up. Could it be that this is life she really wanted? She had finally fell in with her type of people- Fun loving, no consequences, live for today, sleep in tomorrow crowd. Maybe she didn’t care if they believed her stories or not. They didn’t know her or Caylee very long.
I think she sought them out because there, with them, she was free to be free.
Justice, was wondering if Mallory might have talked to Lee IF she arrived to get into the place before the search warrant was served. (apparently that might have just been a coincidence though, the two arriving at almost the same time)
I hoped it wouldn’t be Hoover, because in some unreasonable way, I’m still hoping beyond hope, that someone in that whole outfit was doing something right by the baby. Like the reasons for the video taping of the woods trip. (right, no one say it!!– I know I know… it just ended up being better than if he’d been able to make a profit from that)
Blink, he did WHAT???!?! How did I miss that… geeze, it never gets better does it!!
Re 61. Kleat. For sure, I’m not questioning the blatantly obvious; that CaSey is not what one would call a “reliable source” but she really thinks she is smarter than everyone, and seems to weave some truth in with the lies to “trick everyone” (remember, she is so smart) so I guess I don’t know why she would say LEE had made advances toward her in the past, what is self-serving about that? I would think that would be a really embarassing, shameful thing to tell someone. Usually her lies are to function in a manner to make her look better in some way. But you never know, she could have accused him as revenge for something? I’m just saying that it is unresolved in my mind.
Does anyone remember a press conference, maybe a little later than the Aug. 14th jailvideo, in which George did all the talking and Cindy was leaning on George as he talked, and she looked weak or drugged. She wasn’t so much avoiding the camera eye, as not caring what transpired at all.
I thought “Bingo!” she has finally admitted it to herself. Cindy was truly “KNOWING” that Caylee was dead. Her look of grief was even more pronounced than that observed in the jail video?
Anybody have a clue when that presser took place?
#236 Ragdoll
Thanks for the info- I do believe you are right!
Al Miller,#246
There are some women IMO that get their kicks in seeing how others will react to any given situation. Some women like to provoke their boyfriends into fights with other men in order to see if they will protect them or fight for their honor. Some women like to play little Miss Innocent to provoke a different response. IMO Casey made these accusations not to hurt Lee or get revenge. She never thought any of it would get back to him. I mean how many opportunities in everyday conversation would arise for Tone or Jesse to confront Lee about this? Hey Lee, Nice to meet you… by the way did you make advances on your sister? At the very least, they probably would stay clear of Lee, which would have suited Casey just fine.
Thanks Mom of 3..I liked your post too.
Mark Hawkins in 2007 wrote to Casey via email that he couldn’t wait until his leave to spend time with Casey and Caylee. That he would show Casey what a good dad or father figure he could be to Caylee. I think at that juncture she was still looking for a way out but also with Caylee..someone to take care of us. And with her cunning and outgoing personality she may have made a good military wife (and also finally gotten the mental health care she needed). Interesting that Brandon was also in the military too. I think in the military environment she realized she would meet other Mom’s like her, and there would be daycare available for Caylee. Also if she married she would have had more children..therefore she thought more people to love her..and a husband who loved the kids..but placed her first. But she just could never let herself get that far.
But you and I are both right..in each instance when the man also loved Caylee..somehow she inserted the more..as in love me, like my daughter… it was over..she had to be number one. She just never found that mix. But being an unhinged personality push would have come to shove no matter who the relationship was with..somehow no one met Casey’s expectations for being a parent, brother, boyfriend or husband.
Someone brought up earlier in thier post regarding the email exchanges between Rick & Cindy. In one of the emails Rick is shaking Cindy down about the phantom sitter and in Cindy’s response she rambles on and on about Casey’s innocense but makes a very strange comment which led me to beleive that Cindy already knew Caylee was dead & this email exchange was on 8/11/08….her response & I beleive it was a slip up on Cindy’s part, she says “Hell, Caylee’s hair is probably in in my trunk, did I kill her?” That to me speaks volumes that Cindy knew Caylee was dead before 8/13/08. Here’s is a link to the email, read it carefully and you’ll see where Cindy slips up. This response always bothered me, check it our for yourself and would love to hear anyone else’s opinion on this……
http://www.acandyrose.com/caylee_anthony_transcript_R_PleseaEmails.htm
To Rick Plesea from Cindy Anthony (Monday, August 11, 2008 America Online: RickA1P)
From: cindy anthony [cindymant@yahoo.com]
Sent: Monday, August 11, 2008 2:27 AM
To: RickA1P@aol.com
Subject: Re: Caylee
Gretas report did not say neighbors heard someone in the pool. I told the police about the pool ladder onthe 16th of July, as I did Mark Furman on the day he reported it on Greta. He has been working with uson this case. You are just as bad as the media running scenerios with just bits and pieces of what themedia puts out there. There are a lot of facts that I can not tell you about at this time. Lying does motmake someone a murderer. I am not in denial.
The cadaver dog that hit on the car was the same one thathit inconsistently in the back yard on the 1st day they were there. That is why the sheriffs office broughtin the second dog out the next day.I watched as they explained why it did not hit in the back yard.Cadaver dogs are not 100% accurate and can be easily influenced by their trainer. We have alreadyspoken with the man who started the program on instructing these dogs. He will testify that these dogscan be influenced by the trainers.They purposely used the 1st dog only, on the car the day before thebond hearing so the judge would not allow a reasonable bond.
The sheriffs office thought that Caseywould crack being in jail this long. She hasn’t because she is protecting Caylee. We have a lot of peopleworking to prove Casey’s innocence. We can not come out with other evidence until Caylee is safe. Youneed to keep an open mind. If you don’t you are just as bad as the media. Why don’t you spend yourenergy on trying to help us find Caylee. What have you done to put the word out? Think about why itstaken so long for the DNA to come back. The only thing they might have is a few hairs from Caylee inthe trunk. All of our hair is probably in the truck. Hell, Caylee’s hair is probably in in my trunk, did I killher?
As for my neighbor he has told so many different dates and versions of the shovel we cannot keepthem straight. Once he said he was outside working in the yard. Then he said Casey came to the doorand he never went outside, so he did not see her car. He still cannot remember what day of the week orwhat week in June it was. One time his wife said she was the one who gave Casey the shovel. No onehears about that in the news.
I could go on all night, but I refuse to waste my energy on justifying any ofthis to anyone especially to my own family. I am not mad I am disappointed. Its bad enough you havelittle faith in Casey but George, and Lee and I are busting our asses out here every day to find Caylee. Ido not see any support for her from my own family. We get more support from complete strangers.Thank God for all of them.
Marine Mama, Excellent point regarding the police scanner. I somewhat recall hearing/reading something about that. Blink, this in itself may be an interesting article. With all the deception going on makes alot of sense. I’m sure Dennis M. had one if G. didn’t.
You KNOW that Gloria, good point.
B
MsEnscene…….that presser was IIRC Nov 19th or 21st (same week Dom Casey went poking with his metal rod on Suburban Drive). It was with Michelle Bart “the new spokesperson”. I remember watching it and thinking Cindy knows Caylee’s dead. But after the info was released about Dom Casey searching Suburban Drive, her behavior told me she knew where Caylee’s body was. I am with Blink on Cindy knowing August 14th Caylee was never coming home.
Gypsy DD,
I never knew about the letter. You have a way with words. As I read your post I could picture the life you so aptly envisioned. If only it happened just as you wrote. If only, how tragic for Caylee that it didn’t.
Nancy Friday wrote a groundbreaking book about Mothers and Daughters. She describes why Mothers and daughters fight during teenage years. Friday posits that while the young woman is just beginning to attain power with many attributes during young adulthood the Mother is (during the same period of time) beginning to lose her power …starting the whole menopause thing. (The older woman can not help but be envious and chagrined at her waning power). The fights also happen because the young person wants to separate from home. This is all garden variety family stuff that gets played out in everyone’s family–But something happened to Casey (during high school) that wasn’t just hum drum “I’m getting prettier than Mom” stuff. My guess has always been sexual abuse at the hands of someone close. This would explain how she completely jumps the tracks from being normal to being nuts during high school.
Can you imagine the type of anger there is when sexual abuse is going on within a family but the Mother conveniently “doesn’t see it”??? Believe me..THAT is the kind of anger toward Cindy that I see coming from Casey. I am careful here to not write the *i* word…because it is definitely not fair to the males in the Anthony household to accuse them of this without better information. I lean toward it, however, because of the amazing lengths that this entire family engages in to wrap Casey in cotton and “not make her mad”. It is wayyyy beyond the pale. Something big happened to Casey. Historically, look back at women who have killed their own children. Their background often includes the *i* word.
Why is Casey so out of her mind? There is certain to be a reason. I hope it comes to light so that there will be an end to this nightmare..so that there will be an explanation and “closure”.
http://www.wftv.com/video/18490326/index.html
at the minute 2:14 in the video Cindy does indeed say that they are not doing good and that they heard that day Aug 14 that Caylee was dead and drown in the pool. Surprises Surprises was Casey’s response about her own baby possibly being dead, Not Oh my God please No!!!…Cindy does know IMO
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Comment by westsidehudson — October 28, 2009 @ 2:19 pm
#141_Kleat
PDF
I know how to save the PDF. I just wondered if there was a way to excerpt or extract from it. I can cut and paste now, but basically it becomes an ‘attachment’. I don’t know how to extract parts & convert them into real text files. It would make it easier to pull parts of testimony rather then transcribing it over by hand, if I wanted to post them here.
WSH, sorry for the non-answer, but I do believe there is pdf to word conversion software or vice-versa.
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Anyone?
Al,
I believe that Casey used the story of being abused to get attention, Oh poor Casey, I’ll take care of you.. but also to keep her boyfriends away from hearing any stories about her. She did not want her boyfriends to be friends with her family. She told this story to both Jesse and Tony L.
McEnscene,
The press conference with Cindy looking drugged, leaning on George, unable to speak was when I thought Cindy really KNEW that Caylee was dead. I can’t find it now, but that visual was painful to watch. At the jailhouse video, I think she knew that Casey was not telling the truth but that later time when she looked medicated was when I knew that she knew.
Wasn’t it in November, around the time of the D Casey searches, comments to Hoover about going to find the baby, and the baby was dead.
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MsEnscene-
Not to take away from the poster that has already responded to you but I think the video(s) you are referring to was the first “meet and greet” sometime in late August or early Sept? I had the same reaction you did, she was almost non-responsive and would not make eye contact. At first I thought she was drinking, but then realized it was probably drugs.
There were actually quite a few videos at that time — though they might have been just local news reports — that C looked really drugged and out of it. No idea where to find them — but I’ll look around, unless someone else has them handy.
Dee: Conversion is in post #191 of this thread.
The interview with Michelle Bart and the drugged Cindy was on November 21. I don’t know how to link, but if you google Michelle Bart interview it will take you to the story.
Hi folks, some great posts as usual! What I find odd is that..I think it’s in Cindys depo she says Caylee was breast fed for 4 or 5 months. It’s just not something I would think Casey would do.
It is such a close and bonding experience. It just confuses me. Any body any thoughts? Do you think this is another lie to make Casey appear to be the mother she obviously wasn’t?
I was struck by that also. I have not heard anyone else refer to that; I would like to hear verification of that from a neutral person, but honestly, even if she had, with the psycho/emotional afflictions most think she has, I am guessing that experience would not have been the same for her, imo.
Fwiw, I would like to wish she had, and that Caylee experienced that kind of love and attatchment at some point.
B
Oh wow everyone needs to watch this entire interview again. The whole Florida Mall deal, Dominic Casey, the insistence that the sheriff’s department lied about the FBI saying Caylee was dead, on and on and on…
and through it all, Cindy appears unable to even open her eyes…
Al Miller, if i recall correctly, lee used to tell his friends, i think it was—could have been her friends, too—that casey was basically not normal or was a little weird. Seems to be the only one in the family willing to acknowledge that something is a little off with sis. Anyway, maybe she started the Lee rumor to explain why he would be saying those things about her. “Lee might tell you I am crazy, but that is because he tried to molest me and he doesn’t want anyone to believe my story.” Counter spin?
Did the cops take Tony’s or other people’s computers, too? If google fitting occurred, i reckon the evidence would either be on Casey’s laptop, or one of her friends’.
For those of you trying to watch/find the video of Cindy and George with Michelle Bart, where Cindy looks drugged, I found the link. There isn’t a minute counter that I could see, so I can’t tell you the exact minute where George begins to speak and you can see the Anthony’s. Prior to that, it’s just Michelle Bart speaking. The best I can do is to leave the link and tell you that it’s almost exactly the halfway point where Michelle shuts up and George begins to speak with Cindy laying on his shoulder.
Here is the link…hope it helps…. I realize it’s not “clilckable” from here, but you can still copy and paste it in the address bar.
http://www.cfnews13.com/MediaPlayer2/MediaPlayer.htm?video=GeorgeAnthonyInterview_112020081037&cat=Local&title=George%20Anthony%20Interview
Shae - #251:
I love this part of the email exchange between Rick and Cindy:
“She hasn’t because she is protecting Caylee. We have a lot of peopleworking to prove Casey’s innocence. We can not come out with other evidence until Caylee is safe.”
Well..we now know Caylee is dead. So - now would be as good a time as any to come forth with that evidence that Casey is innocent. Caylee isn’t in danger anymore - so why not spill what you know?
Oh..that’s right. It’s because they can’t. There ISN’T any evidence that points to Casey’s innocence. D’OH!
Casey’s not out of her mind - tachnically. A personality disorder is not treated the way you treat depression. No medication will treat a personality disorder in the same way you treat someone with depression. They do use meds to focus on certain symptoms- but you will never ever, ever ever, ever “cure” a persoanlity disorder and certainly never a sociopath. Personality disordered people see nothing wrong with themselves and do not accept therapy. The prblem is everyone else. I’ve been a psychiatric nurse for 29 years. You don’t have to be intellectually smart to be sociopathic and cunning. Look at gang members and the Mafia. I have seen young children be extremely cruel,cunning and without remorse.
Casey would never have led a normal life if she let Caylee live or if she did escape to her military guy. She will always sabotage efforts made to help her. She does not know how to love and I guarantee she would have been cheating on that man in 6 months. She loved Caylee as long as she was cute and reflected well on HER. Step out of the script and you will be punished or rejected. Tantrums are not lovable.
Casey would done well if she had gone to Germany near an army base and become an Army groupie. She would never have had to pay for a meal and probably would have run through 5 husbands by the time she was 60. I use that example because something similar happened to my ex-husband before he met me. he became involved with a woman who had been married twice by the age of 25 and had a 3 year old. She went through men like a kid goes through cookies and amassed nice cars,jewelry ,etc. She also faked a pregnancy to force my ex to marry her. She threatened to tell his commanding officer lies that he was abusing her to get him booted out of the Army. Thankfully, he did not give in,gave her some “going away” money and she moved on to another man in 2 weeks - without ever giving birth, I might add.
Narcissists like Cindy and Casey expect the people close to them to “reflect” well on them. They will choose partners based on superficial characteristics- looks ,money,material items,etc. Step out of line and you will be the object of hatred. Repent and they just LOVE YOU SO MUCH- until you do something wrong. Like another poster said - Lather,rinse,repeat. My mother was like this. I was her “precious princess” until I spilled water droplets on the floor, whined, disagreed with her, or made a mistake- and then I was cracked across the face. When she was no longer angry,she would be lovey-dovey and I was expected to forget the incident immediately. Think “Mommie Dearest” and you have your narcissist.
#248 Momof3
Thank you! I know it’s been an issue with me before, especially with videos and firefox. Nice to meet you friend~
PS…thanks to everyone with the recent links. I haven’t seen a lot of these before. Cindy behaving like she’s on drugs? Who would ever of thunk it?
Hope this day brings us all more answers.
~Be the change you want to see in the world~ Ghandi
shae
if thats the case ! why isnt cindy given LE the evidence that she clearly states adamently that she has. caylee is dead and her mom sits in jail! so where where is their proof I say poof!! to them!!THERE IS NO MORE THREAT ON THE FAMILY THERE NEVER WAS!!
This Tot Mom play must be annoying the crap out of Cindy. Someone’s going to make a buck and she doesn’t get a share?
http://www.cfnews13.com/News/Local/2009/10/29/casey_anthony_the_play.html?cid=rss
Sorry if this goes off the topic a bit, and I know much of this has been said before, but just had to get this off my chest. As we all have come to a better understanding of who Casey is over time, it’s becoming more and more clear to me that (IMO) Casey definitely murdered Caylee with premeditation. Cindy and George know her better that any of us. It’s impossible for them not to know this also. Look at the history:
She could not/would not stay with Jesse because he cared so much for Caylee. Casey couldn’t stand the competition and didn’t feel she was #1 in that relationship.
She couldn’t just do the right thing and turn Caylee over to her parents because that would reflect badly on her — this was just not an acceptable alternative for Casey. Have to keep up appearances, don’t ya know, and by having Caylee her mother would have forever had some control she could hold over Casey. In addition, it was obvious to Casey that Caylee was more important to her parents than she was. As long as Caylee was alive they would have chosen her well-being over Casey’s every time. Casey had been displaced and was now #2 — Not acceptable.
She couldn’t have Caylee around while with Tony, because he was young and free and didn’t want to be tied down with a child at that point in time. Kids were something out in the future to him.
If she had gone to California with Mark Hopkins, there was no guarantee that relationship would have lasted. And Mark probably would have loved Caylee, and that simply could not be allowed.
Instinctively she had to know that she couldn’t keep up her charade of working and caring for Caylee forever. Caylee was growing up and asserting her own independence and personality. This was reality for Casey, and the only way to be rid of the responsibility and to make sure that all the attention remained on Casey alone was for Caylee to disappear.
I have not always felt this way, but I now truly believe she planned and thought out the kidnapping scenario — a perfect way for Caylee to disappear and for Casey to garner eternal sympathy and attention. That’s why her story rolled so easily off her tongue. She held things off as long as she could, but knew she would eventually be confronted about where Caylee was, so she had her story ready. She just didn’t plan well enough because, based on the documented history of friends and family never confronting her lies, she never expected that she wouldn’t be believed.
Anybody have any news on whether or not the A’s are making any $$$$ from the new Steven Soderbergh play “Tot Mom” that opens in Sydney in mid-December? I can’t imagine him doing a whole play based on this story and the Anthony’s not up in arms about it. Maybe they got a nice paycheck and will keep their mouths shut for a change.
Roy Kronk, the utility meter reader who found Caylee Anthony’s bones, has been fired by Orange County.
Kronk was terminated late Tuesday after failing to attend a disciplinary hearing for an as-yet-undisclosed issue, records show.
“Roy Kronk was scheduled to attend a pre-determination hearing yesterday to address issues pertaining to his employment with the County. He failed to show for the hearing, and a decision has been issued terminating his employment effective immediately,” the county wrote Kronk’s lawyer. “Therefore, the County shall not pay any legal fees associated with representing Mr. Kronk that are incurred from this point forward.”
The letter was written by Assistant County Attorney Peter A. Lichtman to Orlando lawyer David Evans, who had been paid by the county to represent Kronk after the skeletal remains were found in December.
“We appreciate the courtesy and professionalism you have demonstrated throughout your excellent representation of Mr. Kronk,” Lichtman wrote. “Should you have any questions or comments, please do not hesitate to contact me.”
Kronk had been working most recently in Orange County Utility’s fiscal and administrative support division.
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/breakingnews/orl-bk-casey-anthony-roy-kronk-fired-102909,0,4326411.story
comment by Linda-Oct-29-09
I remember george saying on one of the tv interviews that he came home and sindee was walking up and down the drive way ringing her hands crying and saying over and over WE HAVE LOST HER!
WE HAVE LOST HER! George says who?
And she said CAYLEE!We have lost CAYLEE! Does anyone eles remember this?
I THINK THIS MUST HAVE BEEN AFTER ONE OF HER AND CASEYS FIGHTS!Casey may have said something like you will never see caylee again!Why wouls cindy be so upset and say they had lost caylee?
But anyway i think she has really knowed from that time! This was before they found the car, i think they were really mad at casey and said alot of things and then starting thinking how bad this made them look that casey had been gone for 31 days with caylee!
If my daughter was acting like casey no way would i wait 30 days to find her and my grand baby! I think they think this made them look bad and they haved tryed to change everthing around but its not going to work!
No one would want to belive there child could do such a thing hard to wrap your head around but they have to except sooner or later that she did do it and then ask there self why?I think they thought they knew there daughter?
I just read on WFTV website that there will be a play in Australia called “tot mom” based on Casey’s case. Such a disgrace that people will keep making money off of Caylee’s death…Don’t know if The Anthony’s are involved in this deal or not…Just really horrible.
Here are some screenshots from the Nov 2008 interview of Michelle Bart and George Anthony. I don’t include Cindy because the only words spoken by her were “NO, NO, NO” when George says if anyone has tips they can call OC Sheriff’s Dept if they feel comfortable doing so.
IMO, George probably had no idea at the time that Cindy sent Dom Casey to Suburban Drive to look for Caylee’s body just days before. She obviously knew something from her demeanor thru-out this interview.
http://s44.photobucket.com/albums/f13/Caylee_Is_Missing/
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/breakingnews/orl-bk-casey-anthony-roy-kronk-fired-102909,0,4326411.story
What’s next??? I wonder if the reason he was terminated will ever be disclosed……….
BREAKING NEWS!
WFTV…. reports Roy Krunk fired from his job, on tuesady.
The reason for failing to report for a discipline hearing.
Ragdoll, You are welcome. So nice to meet you too,friend
Ok- I went back and viewed the August 14th video with out sound and then with sound. I only viewed the first of 4 videos, but man -that video alone says a lot!!!!!! A few things stuck with me. I agree, Cindy knew Caylee was dead from the start of this video- she is obviously in the first stages of grieving. At first Casey seems like a school girl who is so proud that her parents came to visit her and she is feeling special. IMO, she thinks her mother’s tear are for her. The minute she realizes they are there for Caylee her demeanor changes dramatically. Then she starts in on what a savior Jose is and he’s “keeping her in the loop” and Jose, Jose, Jose- thank God for Jose. She says “He’s focusing on Caylee and I- you guys are focusing on Caylee I know I’m still part of your focus but she’s your main focus- I understand that. Dad I know where everybody’s priorities are- I knew that the day I got here” Someone please explain this to me- Where is she going with this statement. For me a lot of Casey’s true personality was coming out but just enough and then she would realize the interview would be viewed by others and she would “fix” her wording so to speak. This is the point where I believe she was letting them know there is NO reason to keep this “Find Caylee” charade up because she’s NOT coming home. Hey gang - it is time to focus on me and getting me out of here! She then goes on about how long she’s been in jail and how she feels and follows by “What am I supposed to learn from that - what am I supposed to learn from that?” Sort of - hey guys what’s done is done and there is nothing we can do now- too late. “The opportunity was there that I probably could have helped- I’m trying- I was trying.” This is very telling IMO. This comment could very well be referring back to those moments the family had together just before LE arrived. Maybe she is letting them know- I was going to tell you everything until you let them arrest me and now you will NEVER know! I think what truly bothers me the most is that Casey isn’t concerned for her daughter at all- she is focused on getting out of jail and telling her side of the story- Even if she already knew she was dead- there isn’t an ounce of concern from her- other than what people are saying about her. She doesn’t even seem scared that they will find Caylee’s body- it is as if Caylee’s chapter is over and she’s ready to move on!
Blink,
Do you believe that ocso dispatched the “suspicious bag” call on August 13th to Deputy Cain via an unsecured channel and that it was heard by someone who told the Anthonys ? If the info was broadcast there would have been media and all sorts out there checking it out. DC didn’t go there(that we know of) until a month later !?? Why?
I believe it is possible the A’s or someone close to them could have heard the radio chatter on 8-10 from the county frequency.
B
reinin #258
In both George’s and Cindy’s latest depos they are asked about Casey and Lee’s school years. They give somewhat conflicting answers about who was there to watch them after school and whether or not they were ever left alone for long. Perhaps, if something happened to Casey it could have happened during this time and maybe by someone other than a family member. Who knows.
I meant to say DC didn’t go there until 3 months later.
i agree with ya’ll that cindy is beyond devastated in the jail video but my first read/instinct was more in line with kleat ,i thought cindy has on this day realized that she is going to lose casey,casey cant overcome the past tense/present tense hurdle and when cindy asks if theres anything casey wants to message casey’s answer and the dead silence of cindy(except for the thud of realization that casey is a goner).for her LIFE she can not get it right,i havent rewatched it but that was my impression and had been meaning to comment on that moment cindy’s pain is so evident it is one the most raw moments of this whole case for me.
you know im probably wrong ,or its already been mentioned and i missed(its hard to catch up and kept up at the same time,but isnt that a different girl in the photobucket picts? who is she?i cant access the link but its the group of photos where caylee has the purple glasses and beads,then the next photo has same shirt but candy necklace.that’s a differeent child isnt it?
I keep thinking of this whole situation as a conflict (read, war) between Cindy and Casey. Casey was Cindy and George’s little princess until she started to grow up a little. Because Cindy is a classic narcissist, those adolescent fights took on a completely different aspect. Cindy may have looked like a protective nurturing mom in public, but I bet dollars to donuts that family life was hell. No way could a child have decreasing grades and a normal social life and get along with control freak Cindy. (Lee talks in various places about fights between Cindy and Casey and how Casey was more likely to have temper tantrums than to pout. In that way, she is more like Cindy than like George.)
Cindy is unable to let her disappointment and anger go unexpressed. Casey’s crown as princess of the family took a fatal tarnish with an unplanned pregnancy. Cindy lied as long as she could–seven months?–before deciding to make the best of the situation. Once Caylee arrived Cindy did not want to share her with the bio father and she and Casey had dominance arguments over Caylee. If Casey did nurse for five or six months, I bet it was so she could hold something over Cindy and it gave Casey a reason to be unemployed.
As sweet beautiful Caylee turned into the family princess, Casey was jealous of the attention and angry that her role had changed. For Casey, Caylee was a prop. Useful to manipulate people: she almost had Jesse G believing he was the father and marrying her. Useful to manipulate Cindy: Cindy knew Caylee was not really safe with Casey–why else would Cindy that first night of July 15, shout at Casey “what have you done?”. Lee tells how the two women are still fighting when the police arrive and have to be separated.
Something happened that Father’s Day that led Casey to discard Caylee as a prop. Caylee’s last usefulness was as a weapon pointed directly at Cindy. Casey’s anger and selfishness are close to unbelievable.
Maybe Cindy accused Casey of being like her father Georgette, the slacker and money wasting bad example of the family? The one who had problems finding/keeping jobs? Casey had put much effort into the appearance of success and normality. Her petty thefts made those lies unsustainable after Cindy put it all together. If Cindy made strong enough threats, it would appear that having Caylee was no longer useful in any way. Casey had just met Tony L and Tony wanted a boy, sometime in the future. Caylee wasn’t of much use in snaring Tony, to get away from dependence on Cindy. Unlike Jesse, Tony wasn’t even all that much into Casey as wife material, much less an unemployed liar with a small girl child.
Maybe Caylee herself said something to Cindy on June 15, maybe not. Cindy was the logical target of Casey’s anger, but since when do Anthony family values allow the real target to take the hit? Caylee took the force of Casey’s anger. Cindy, who should be furious at Casey, redirects her anger towards the media and us bloggers.
Whatever Cindy said or did, it was something Casey would not forgive. Casey moved on, avoiding and lying to Cindy only as much as Cindy could get her on the phone. Cindy was the one missing Caylee, not Casey. Casey had tears only for herself, not for her parents or for Caylee. In that Aug 14 video, Casey gives a nasty little smile when Cindy is crying. That video says it all: no anquish for a kidnapped child, no sympathy for devasted grandparents. She was willing to flirt with George only when he would talk about her and her needs. That line of Casey’s: “don’t worry, I haven’t told them anything”, said to Cindy, reads like a direct threat. That is when Cindy knew that the Anthonys were not a family united in the search for a missing child. Cindy and Casey were engaged in the same old war, and really, Casey had just won. Cindy just did not know for sure what it was Casey had done to keep Cindy from Caylee.
I would really really like to know what Cindy said to Casey in the fight on June 15. The only future book that might tell us, would be George’s, if he ever breaks free from Cindy’s domination and tells the whole truth. CIndy’s book will be useful only to the psychology types who want to learn how a narcissist can raise a sociopath willing to murder her own daughter.
Debidol, I don’t know what’s up with some of the WFTV videos, that used to be a reliable link for me ages ago, then in a previous discussion about it (think with Silverspooner’s great post about that), I could not see the video either.
It’s not working on either Safari nor Firefox and it probably isn’t pop-up blockers, as the full promo-AD runs perfectly, the flash of the video visual before the ad works, but then it literally ‘times out’ with only zero’s on the time meter. And you have to push ‘play’ which doesn’t do anything as it’s time is already up.
Frustrating– I had to opt for the YouTube videos.
NEED Iassen Donov’s LE audio Pt 2 (link anyone?)– the two parts are on cfnews13’s site, the first part runs through completely, the second part works but a couple minutes or so in, it shuts off, flips back to start and replays that short section in a loop. That problem can’t be just on my end, I’m using wmv to play it.
Re: Ricardo as ‘family man/husband material’. Yes, he liked the kid, yes, he cooked dinner for Casey and Caylee, yes, they sat on the couch, watched tv, movies, stayed in with the home entertainment drums etc, but remember what George said to prosecutors about Ricardo, that they didn’t know what HE knew?
Well, duh, George– listen to the early Ricardo interviews with police– we have not heard the FBI interviews, point one, we have heard about those FBI interview questions in the LE tapes, point two, we know that Ricardo was not willing, at that time, to give LE his computer (but he may well have supplied the FBI with a mirrored drive copy– we don’t know that), and Ricardo was not willing to answer certain questions on the record with LE about certain questions he discussed with the FBI.
Casey had a nice little use for Ricardo and I don’t have a clue what, but money and drugs could factor into Casey’s wants, and a safe, comfortable place to ‘live’ for a few nights per week out of ‘her house’. I think we are going to learn a lot more about Ricardo and his drug connections and what the FBI has to say and it’s going to get nasty from the defense– poor little good mom gets into bad-scene-no-fault-of-her-own.
Ricardo, could be a good ‘family man’ prospect except, in my humble opinion, if someone is doing things beyond abusing themselves with drugs and getting into the type of things that could send them to the penetentiary for stretches of time, what kind of ‘good father/husband’ material is that from child welfare perspective? Even if there is no hard drug use near children, no access to drugs in the home, and simply ‘outside business’, children left for years with a father in prison, can’t be the best husband or father.
Brain damage– we have discussed everything from psychopath/sociopath/narcissist/abused or not abused Casey, etc. We don’t have access to what is known, but we heard the state discuss with George and Cindy, details surrounding the birth of Casey, homelife etc. We ‘know for a fact under oath’ (source Cindy) that everything was normal with Casey’s birth, so couldn’t be related to that, if everything Cindy says is taken at face value. Not saying it is or isn’t, but has anyone evaluated Casey thoroughly– are certain physician egos playing a role, or are they going to do a thorough work-up on Casey, including neurological exams? And what other investigation tools are there, simple IQ test now, past records of the same, including school performances.
Cindy is so protective, she’s gone beyond protecting to harm her daughter– the set up is so obvious, maybe it will work, but the risk seems so high. And is part of Cindy’s fear now, that she will not have another ‘girl’ to continue the CMA line? Is it all or nothing– ‘get Casey home again’ or crash the Ambulance? Casey can not produce another child from jail, she could get married in jail if that’s allowed, we know that happens, she, in theory, could have a conjugal visit (that’s a bit of a stretch, no pun intended).
The Cindy lineage seems to be so important, and now that is gone, diluted from the core family which is Cindy’s own. Maybe the baby could not have been given up, or adopted by the grandparents, without revealing all– hopefully enough protections would be available to the adopted children in Florida, so that in a case like this, the grandparents would bring up the child to adulthood, not take the child away, give her back later, or use ‘I’ll give her back to you’ if you do such and such. It has to protect the child from an adoption based on this possibility for the future. (child=bartering goods)
This next thought is ‘out of the box’ territory, be warned– so I’m just going to put a couple points out, not for ‘real’ consideration, but remember, Casey seems to have been given a ‘birds and bees’ lesson about babies, and that was ‘you can’t get pregnant if you don’t have sex’. Casey repeated this in her denial of the pregancy, so she probably heard that ‘lesson’ from her parents and used it to support her lie about her condition. Also, another bit of information that Cindy’s depo gives, is an explanation about why Casey would call her ‘baby’ a tumour’. That seems outlandish, but there’s a possible source for this in Cindy’s own statements. Cindy mentioned that she was worried about Casey’s bleeding problems, (besides saying she knew she had periods therefore she didn’t suspect pregnancy, no reason to). Cindy said she was thinking maybe Casey, at a supposedly healthy 19 years of age, had fibroids (aka benign ‘tumours’). What would a concerned mother, a trained nurse, be thinking could be really going on or want to have checked out by a physician?
Could Casey have taken a pregnancy test early on? Could she have ‘googled’ ways to get rid of the pregnancy, if later she was looking up home-made chloroform recipies and instructions, it’s not a stretch to consider that she could have done the same for a much earlier solution to her problem.
‘Stupid boys’.
(that is the more reasonable possiblity of why Casey would deny the pregancy– she was going to get rid of it, if not, just ignore it so she didn’t have to face her mother, have a baby that would tie her down to the house and her parents… except that the father was alive and well during the pregnancy… picking up with him, had she told him, might be a possibility, if for nothing else but support, so she COULD leave the home, make her own decisions. The UNREASONABLE (off the wall) scenario is that the two women, joined together maternally, both named ‘Marie’ as part of their Christian names, were experiencing a pregnancy that was not only out of wedlock, but out of the realm of normal conception (no sex, remember, no hi-tech intervention either) and a female child was born to carry the name Marie– and the child was sacrificed– wow– Omen 3!!!. )
Casey was denying/lying the preg to mom, and mom carried on with that Casey story but why… covering a home-abort possibly? That might explain why no doctor check-up for an explanation of irregular bleeding problems, especially when Casey began to ’show’– or, was there proper outside medical help, but not admitted by Cindy?
Could Casey have considered abortion and if too late, consider a ‘home remedy’?
During that Aug 14th jail visit- you can tell she thinks she’s supposed to being taught a lesson by being put in jail. It’s like she thinks because Cindy’s call put her in jail she can get her out of jail. “Okay- I get it mom (not!)- now let me out”. She doesn’t for a minute think she did anything wrong!
It’s just amazing!
Q for Michelle Bart, if she believes the kidnapping and killing story, does she also believe that once she published that photograph of ‘Caylee’ in the Florida Mall, with implied great care to do so (whatever that means), that November 19th publication of a live Caylee three days prior, cause the phantom ‘nanny’ kidnapper to kill the child and dump the body near ‘home’ to pay someone back for going public about this? Does Michelle feel any responsiblity that she caused the Florida Mall ‘Caylee’ to meet her death?
And another question to Bart, your statement that ‘in your heart no one has come forward about the Florida Mall girl, what the heck does it mean, ‘no one in your heart has come forward’? Or is that just a sneaky way to imply that no one has come forward (at the time of that Dr. Phil show you were on early in 2009) without actually ‘lying’– technically anyway, by adding ‘in my heart’ to the statement?
O kleat I can see I am going to need to pay closer attention to this. That said, ask her how she GOT the photo. She should be glad nobody that was NOT MISSING a child came forward, I would sue her if she put out a picture of my kid without permission connected to this case. Makes me wonder if they already knew who it was?
B
289 Comment by Kleat — October 29, 2009 @ 1:27 pm
Debidol, I don’t know what’s up with some of the WFTV videos, that used to be a reliable link for me ages ago, then in a previous discussion about it (think with Silverspooner’s great post about that), I could not see the video either.”
i just googled the video’s with wftv in the search line and bingo bango they pop up
they are all just hidden as there are so many…it is an easy find, I found everything everyone was discussing
Steadychick #273–Very well said. I couldn’t agree more. I think she considered killing Caylee for a long time and with Tony in the picture and a chance at “real happiness”, she decided to act on it. In her mind, this made perfect sense. What she didn’t think about, is that “normal” parents go NUTS when their child is missing. She blew the whole thing in that 31 days.
Soulsister, wow, but my first impression is that someone might have had reason to ‘dig up dirt’ on Roy Kronk, like they dug up dirt on Richard Grund, and anyone else– one more reason to silence Mr. Dominic Casey.
BTW, Blink– WHO do you think is paying for Ms. Tennis or any other lawyer/legal assistance on behalf of the PI? Really– the PI was hired by a law firm, the PI was hired by the Anthony’s, the PI was hired by the client of the same law firm/lawyer, and there are problems with protection orders and motions to dismiss and all that, to protect the lawyer’s client, and the clients of Mr. Casey.
Why on earth would it be the responsibility of a Private Investigator, to pay his own way in this issue which is going to great extremes to keep him completely and totally quiet? And if it is the position of the profession of Private Investigators, WHY aren’t we hearing from the professional association on this matter, in support of their member’s positions of right of privacy of all things, with clients?
Roy Kronk fired. Ray Charles could’ve seen that coming. Who’s next?
ddeerma, I think we can already tell that George’s book would be unreliable and rose colored. For instance, look how he most recently remembers his last moments with Caylee. It’s a lovefest, where he spends the ideal morning with a grandchild.
In the earlier statements, he saw or heard them eating breakfast, then saw them walk out the door at 10 to 1 (sounds more like odds than an exact time, lol).
In his latest recollection, I think HE makes breakfast for caylee, probably spends some quality time with her, walks them to the car, puts her in her little seat, exchangesI love yous, hears his last ‘jo jo.”
I’m going to say his memory is not going to be a reliable witness in this tragedy. He’s too close to it and too guilt ridden and too brainwashed by the others. I don’t think he quite knows what the truth is anymore.
After reading the depo’s of the three Anthony’s a second time, I have really been unable to really put the truth I found in them in written words. So many lies and distortions from what we have already read and heard with our own eyes and ears.
Early on I had realized that George knew Caylee was dead and Casey killed her. His words as he snuck down to the LE and ran his mouth hoping Lee and Cindy would not know he was doing so….along with the forensic report on the car. I mean detailing it to the point where only one fingerprint was found in the trunk? I think in George’s depo where he says he would sell his soul to the devil…tell’s a jury that he would and does also lie like hell to save his daughter from having to face responsibility for her actions.
What an example this family is teaching their children it’s ok to lie and steal and cover it up. I mean we all know Cindy’s “It was only one…..” (check, time, lie, murder?)! You know we’ve all said one of our big concerns is that Casey not be allowed out in society to reproduce. What about Lee giving Cindy and George another grandchild. What kind of example are all three of them setting for future little Anthony’s?
(And gimme a break! Cindy’s getting longterm disability (those insurance companies make you apply for Social Security benefits…..) and BABYSITTING a child! She can be qualified for disability for her mental state of not being capable of taking care of an adult patient…but is deemed mentally competent to take care of a child).
Any glimmer of hope that I held that this grandmother did not know her daughter killed her granddaughter and threw her into a stinking swamp is gone. Prosecutor’s so let her sink her own ship in letting her ramble on and on.
Silver, I did not catch her saying no one knew the blanket was gone…NO one but her and the killer. And the guy on the phone with visions or whatever. Such cold chills. Your expertise is amazing.
There are so many, what I call coincidences in all this…but, here’s some things I picked up from the depo’s that leave me wondering exactly what the defense does have.
The hair bleaching….you know that stuff they use to bleach your hair down to white and then put color on it? The defense seemed awfully interested in pinning down that Cindy did have that on hand.
The black garbage bags that those two pet carriers were in on that shelf in the garage. Wonder how long those exact bags had been there and if they are tied to the bag’s that Casey placed her babies body in? You know the one’s where Cindy immediately said one had holes in it and she would have never let a torn garbage bag be left on something?
I could go on and on, but let me ask if anyone can watch the video Blink has featured on this article and tell me…..did any of the older children in this video require 3 FREAKING pieces of 2 inch wide duct tape….9 FREAKING inches long….to cover their mouths? Three FREAKING rare strips of tape all tied directly back to the Anthony’s….
I don’t even think we need to hear the story those noisy maggots had to say as they fried away in George’s frying pan…….
Start at the beginning last year and forget all the speculation and all the mounds of stuff compiled in this case and the facts can be found that show each of us that our eyes, ears, and minds are functioning just fine. Cindy and George need to take a longer trip all alone and sit in a canyon and clear the BS outta their minds and face that they need to be down on their knee’s every chance they can be begging their daughter to not allow this to go to trial and let herself face a death penality.
They have had 3 grandchildren (if Casey actually miscarried)…all are not on this earth. Stand up George and Cindy and do the right thing for your unborn grandchildren God might send your way in future years…..
What a mess….IMO (as you all say)!
Blink, re: Bart, I think I might have said in an earlier post, that I wanted to know just who it was that took that photo and it may be simply someone who was putting what they have seen and heard about a missing child, related to the ‘butterfly- fly home soon’ T-shirts given out all over the region, to have coincidentally taken it on the same day by which there was ‘proof’ she was not in those woods. I’m convinced there is more to this in connection with the date it was taken.
The set up was that anyone in the public was likely to notice a child like this, hairstyle and butterfly t-shirt and all, take a photo on a ‘cell phone’, perfect– innocent ‘cellphonotographer’ (you heard THAT term here first!!
). If the child was noticed by another person, then that person could promt a bystander with a cellphone camera, to take the picture– wow, that could be Caylee, ‘I dont’ have a camera, can you take a photo– report it to the Anthony’s, or Michelle Bart, here’s her email!!!! Lots of questions about this ’scenario’ and it’s timing, who was ‘real’ and who was not.
If I were ‘that child’, I’d want to go after them myself if I had the ability and rights to do so! So bet it was a set up for an innocent link somewhere in the ‘chain’– easy in a crowded mall where a child is staying awhile in a play area. But coincidence? No… not buying that cheezeburger kiddy platter….
Shae, post 251: I haven’t seen anyone respond and am only doing so to try to help clerify. I am not defending Cindy Anthony, believe me, that ain’t happening.
In her email to Rick, she says, “Caylee’s hair is probably in in my trunk, did I killher?” She’s talking about her own vehicle, not the car with the smell and she might be right. Little Caylee’s hair could be in her trunk. I’m sure they put clothes and personal items in her trunk at times.
So that takes 8/11 out of the KNOWING little Caylee is gone. It’s probably 8/14 like Blink says.
#296 boz
Krunk was fired because of a workman’s comp. issue involving a shoulder or neck injury.
Shelly… great post…
It’s so true that the real damage has been done by putting a story out there by our (the public’s) early acceptance of Cindy’s statements as ‘true facts’ , albeit sometimes ‘through rose coloured glasses’ as SB put it to George.
What Cindy was able to put out into the world of ‘FACT’ in this case, was accepted by the public as ‘how it was’ and if not quite the whole truth, just affected by a grieving grandparent in denial. This is more public perception, jury pool poisioning/affecting, than all this other media ‘hype’ of bloggers giving their ‘guilty’ rants and opinions. Cindy’s versions are well engrained now, and accepted– it’s fact because a Grandmother said it, believed it, was in denial, the only excuse for it not being true.
The decision to move the trial outside Orlando should also consider these ‘facts’ by Cindy to authorities as a major consideration of impact on any jury. (Cindy’s media tours and spin, aside)
# 253-#278 eeemeatthebeach, Reinin, sosad, Lori, Wendy!
You guys are too much. Many thanks! Will look at the video and pics when duty stops calling, here!
I am so glad to have the date on this presser and the links! If this was after D. Casey went snooping, no wonder Cindy’s drugged and despairing. So what did DC see out there? Did he bring something of Caylee’s from the dump site back home to Cindy?
suz, it’s not George’s rose coloured glasse, he has since those early days, got himself a whole full brand new set of 101 colours, including fluorescents and irridescents to play with just for embellishing and even some drawing-in of his pictures to the state (kids set, washable and non-permanent of course) — (btw, was he, homicide investigator etc, colourblind like his son Lee????– great– think that would be a slight impairment for a homicide investigator ‘truly’)
ada, bet that story will get spun into a whole new overcoat soon.
maggie #262
I also could not picture Casey breastfeeding. It can be painful at first, and Casey being young, I thought her body image would play a big part in that decision.I think once breastfed the appearance of the breast changes. Maybe she only used a pump so she and Cindy could take turns feeding Caylee. Thanks for bringing up this topic.
Third Q for Michelle Bart:
Ms. Bart, WHO took that photograph? (and if you answer this, I have a few more to add to those Blink will ask you!!– like specs on the cell phone’s camera including resolution, how far away was the child from the photographer, why didn’t the photographer take a wide angle shot too, pretend like he/she was just looking up a phone number to make a call, and shooting a whole set of ‘the scene/crowd’, in particular, adults eating at tables, or adults watching over this child, and “IF” the child was alone, was she Caylee abandoned in a crowd, to be found by a good sam or mall security and returned home? IF it was Caylee, did the person wait around until the child was taken by the hand, or otherwise drawn away from ‘playtime’? Did the person alert mall security or vendors to call mall security? Did the person enlist anyone else’s help to follow the child from the mall with whomever, if anyone, so that the adults would not be aware?
Basic common sense… and has anyone taken a measurement for height of a child against that playset? Simple– how tall was that little girl? What about fingerprints– simple– call mall security, if need be, items the child touched could be protected.
IF the child had not yet eaten and did share a meal with someone, then what did the adult do with the cup the child drank from, or the straw? Wouldn’t be hard to gather the bin contents in time to save evidence– again, Mall Security could easily do that upon seeing the photo on the phone and making the call to the FBI.
Geeze– if this was real, this was a threat/kidnap situation as said in the media over and over, then who was it that snapped a photo and walked away?
Kleat
Right again. I can feel the spin on Roy Krunk starting already. I haven’t been over to the new thread to see it spin. Did you remember that George “minored” in art? If he were color blind, that would be quite the accomplishment!
AND finally, WHERE is the written report with attached photographs, from PI Dominic Casey? (oh yeah, he didn’t give the Anthony’s written reports, according to Cindy and George. I’m not even going to ask if this tip fit into Dominic Casey’s evaluation protocol regarding which tips would be deemed credible, which ones to follow up on, which ones to give to LE– cause we know how Dominic Casey responded to that in his Jan 7th interview– he didn’t even understand the question as repeated and explained by real investigators– JA included IIRC)
oh yeah… I recall that. But, I suppose colour blindness would be limiting, but then would depend on what the focus of the art degree would be– if he wanted a career in commercial art, you bet it would be a problem, but other areas, maybe not so much. He could become an Ansel Adams, or work with limited pallets (sorry, bad pun… ), now what were the trends when he would have been taking university courses. My guess is he was a traditionalist of sorts– especially given his major.
George’s ability to discern colours, just limited in greens/blues or more, and how he names them, is important– he has been describing the outfit Caylee was wearing– with one little slip in his depo, calling the shirt black–err quickly changed to pink. (easy to make a nervous slip, can’t really mix up ‘black’ and ‘pink’ even if colourblind– one has white in it, the other not)
#298 Shelly: You mentioned George’s interview with LE that was supposed to be kept quiet from his family. Can you imagine what it was like for him to live in the same house with Cindy after she found out he’d spilled his guts to LE? She must have been so pissed at him. But of course they probably were on camera the following week holding hands as the loving parents/grandparents. blech….
Ada, 301(for now). Kronk was fired for not attending a pre-determination meeting.
And Michelle Bart, to your knowledge, did that photographer try to claim any reward– by November, there was a healthy pot of gold for tips that led to Caylee’s safe return. Doesn’t say much for the photographer, if an innocent tipster, to first, not try to save the child (clearly must assume in imminent danger as kidnapped, if not, surely needs to be recovered immediately to her own family), then did the tipster make mention to anyone, about the reward? If just a good sam, then why stop after the photo was taken.
Yeah– we know, there will always be an ‘explanation for everything at trial’.
ChicagoJudy, but maybe that was fine with Cindy, ( after she calmed down!!) because it led the public, and LE possibly, to accept what George was saying as someone speaking only from the heart and not a plan. It led us, (public, the media too) to believe George just had his head in the sand, he was the only one who was NOT lying– that could work in Cindy’s favour, putting George in the ‘undercover’ position.
http://www.wftv.com/news/21461439/detail.html
his link offers all the requested video links
298_Shelly_”The hair bleaching….you know that stuff they use to bleach your hair down to white and then put color on it? The defense seemed awfully interested in pinning down that Cindy did have that on hand.”
Shelly, was it the defense or prosecution? (maybe both?) I thought it was the state, in the depo, but not sure. I think the defense was trying to throw out that bleached hair can mimic the death band on , in an interview on TV? But then someone also mentioned fringe hair in evidence, so I wondered if all the hair cutting in the garage would somehow be tied to the crime scene? OR characteristics of processed hair would eliminate the possibility of the death band hair being from Cindy? Okay, confused, here.
#299_Kleat & then # 307
Great questions. Does Michele Bart read or post here?
# 307_ Was that person ever interviewed at any time by police? I don’t believe, as you’ve said that the photographer has been identified, at least publically. Also wasn’t there a fairly significant lapse of time from the alleged creation of the photo until it was published on TV?
I seem to remember thinking that there was a delay, thereby rendering it almost impossible to adequately investigate anyway. You know, kind of in the same sense that Casey was giving detectives crap because they didn’t put out an amber alert after 32 days? I know it wasn’t that length of time, but it was a while after the photo was taken that it was shown.
# 310_ Kleat
I thought Lee was color blind? Long day…maybe I’m not remembering correctly.
#295 Kleat
“The termination of Mr. Kronk relates to a difference of opinion between Mr. Kronk and Orange County regarding a workplace injury sustained by Mr. Kronk in the course of his job duties at an Orange County Utilities warehouse. This dispute arose because Mr. Kronk’s management directed him to resume work duties after his injury, and Mr. Kronk and his health care providers did not consider it to be safe or medically appropriate to resume those duties at this time.
“Mr. Kronk is evaluating his legal options relating to his termination. In the meantime, Mr. Kronk is volunteering his time to a veteran’s group in Osceola County–he is providing counseling to military veterans to help ease their adjustment to civilian life.”
“It is my understanding that Mr. Kronk injured his neck and shoulder while lifting and placing boxes in an Orange County Utilities warehouse,” Kronk’s attorney also told Eyewitness News.
Casey Anthony is in the Orange County jail accused of murdering her daughter Caylee Marie Anthony.
http://www.wftv.com/news/21464889/detail.html
- Sounds like another lawsuit or workmans comp
Hi suz: my wanting to read George’s book is only if he makes the Great Escape from Cindy. So much of what he is saying now is such an obvious invention and lie that I wonder he can go out in public. I guess it will be a question of money: will they continue to rake in the bucks, the boats and the vacations after Casey is convicted? Still, I look at his words and feel the pain he feels for lying. He knows he is doing wrong. Of course, he may not survive the trial, that color of his and the temper tantrums put him in line for a stroke or heart attack.
Kleat: very funny and accurate about Michelle Bart. You’da thunk if they were going to cook up a Caylee sighting they would have done a little more work to make it realistic. They were only playing for the crowd: LE could have come back on them if they made the sighting seem real. George and CIndy have to be seen as well-meaning liars for Team Casey, not masterminds of criminal obstruction.
Kleat #309
You wrote:( cause we know how Dominic Casey responded to that in his Jan 7th interview– he didn’t even understand the question as repeated and explained by real investigators– JA included IIRC)
This was infuriating to me. Besides the ability to lie and coddle Cindy this man is so inept.IMO
Do you think he will succeed in not giving his deposition in November?
BLINK IS YELLING
ABSOLUTELY, POSITIVELY DCASEY WILL GIVE A DEPOSITION AND HIS BS PRIVLEGE WORK PRODUCT WILL NOT COME WITH WITH HIM.
TAKE BETS.
B
Yep– Post 80 on the last thread:
“Comment by Kleat — October 28, 2009 @ 1:58 am
… hope that LE found the child and identified her– wonder who took that very conveniently timed (well ‘perfectly timed’) cell phone photo. Perfect set up– almost too good to be true. …”
As FORMALIZED in my question to Ms. Bart: Who took that photograph?
Respectfully awaiting a response.
#255 Celeste B., Very insightful post. I have to agree something caused her to ’snap’ go into her own make believe world. Brings to mind the movie ‘Sybil’ a girl was so abused, her world was so horrific, she created different personalities to be able to escape her tormented life. She couldn’t escape physically so she escaped mentally. It sure makes us wonder, just what is the ‘family secret?’ why is G. so disrespected in this family? Often when a child is sexually abused and they go to their parent, they are not believed particularly when the perpetrator is a family member. It is too painful to except that your own brother, husband, etc. would do something like this so it is hushed and easier for the parent to believe the child is malingering.
3 307 Kleat (quote) “Geeze– if this was real, this was a threat/kidnap situation as said in the media over and over, then who was it that snapped a photo and walked away?”
AMEN, Kleat! All those questions you are asking about this Florida Mall photo should have been investigated to the umpteeth degree if there was any truth to Michelle Bart’s PR campaign. Where does her conscience sleep nights?
I am so glad the “sightings” topic is coming up, again. The Florida Mall pics have bothered me for a long time because the whole thing just went nowhere. Red herrings are an important part of this case in so many ways.
Gee, a little girl who goes missing and is on the cover many times of every US tabloid and semi-tabloid (like “People”) a number of times and the subject of great world-wide Internet interest. Nevertheless, she is photographed out with her probable kidnapper in plain site at a mall having a blast on the tot toys. Unless, she was in the habit of taking cabs to shopping centers by herself. Oh, yeah.
And while we are at it, the famous little tyle is out and about in different situations in airports and restaurants all around the US… in GA, Texas, and California to name just a few locales of interest. This kidnapper is enjoying her sweet litle ill-gotten gain and has no fear of discovery! Well, Cindy did tell Larry King (paraphrasing) “Well, we think she has been taken by this…er… Zenaida..and that she wanted this child, loved this child.”
Funny, the child turns up rotting in a swamp after being so enjoyed and indulged by said loving kidnapper. Another case of an adoptive, Mommie Dearest, I guess.
#308 Depends on the degree of colour blindness. Red/green is the most common in males and comes from the mother’s side (skipping a generation). I don’t think limitiations like these are reasons to doubt one’s gifts. I am no fan of George’s, but a minor in art isn’t that far fethced. For example:
Albert Einstein had a learning disability and rose above his limitations to become a successful mathematician. George Washington and Alexander Graham Bell also had learning disabilities.
Ludwig van Beethoven was deaf.
Helen Keller is my biggest inspiration who redefined communication on almost every level.
I do not mean to be condescending or rude. I just want to gently point out that it is more than possible to overcome these kinds of challenges, if your heart desires. How would we ever know what we are capable of if we didn’t rise after falling, over and over again?
Love and light to all~
306…Momof3!! (((HUGS)))
I completely agree. Breast feeding is a deep bonding experience and not always for every mother. Some of my friends chose not to nurse but not for a lack of loving or not wanting to bond with their babies! In Casey’s case, I would say it had everything to do with the inability and lack of desire to bond with her baby girl. Her materinal instincts were completely MIA. She faked it…raising Caylee. I believe she put on a show (appearing as a devoted mom) because she had no choice really. Mutha of the year is right! (Rick Plesea’s quote). She had everyone fooled. Besides, Casey has ALWAYS been on the social scene on one level or another. Leaving her child while she gallavanted around the clock would not be condusive to a mother who’s nursing a child, especially nursing on demand. THAT is not Casey’s style.
#320
Thanks for the response Blink. Glad to know you think he will give the deposition. I wonder if any truth will come from it. D Casey has given so many variations of who he was working for and when. Do you think he will be the one that will have charges brought against him?
Ps I would never be foolish enough to bet against you. You hold your cards too close.LOL
#325 Ragdoll, Thanks for the information on color blindness. Quite interesting.
About the breastfeeding-I think since at this time Cindy would have believed Casey was still working. It would have been more practical for Casey to use a pump and bottle feed. Especially with her “work” schedule at this time and Lauren and Jesse babysitting. This wouldn’t have raised any red flags with Cindy about the lack of actual breastfeeding/bonding time. This is all just speculation of course.
I am sure there are mothers through out history who have breastfed their babies only to murder them.
#316 WSH my bad….the bleach product used on hair was from the prosecution as was all the other questions. Sorry for confusing you, typed while trying to multitask and did not proofread!
Thanks for catching that! All the defense has in the way of evidence is a mountain to climb to try to get these people out of one lie on top of another….all 4 of them!
Oh Ragdoll, I am so sorry. I was being flippant about Lee being colored blind and wondered if George was. I wondered about him minoring in art. I apologize for suggesting that any physical challenge is the subject of my (according to my late mother) perverted sense of humor.
WOW I just watched the Michelle Bart interview with the interview of GA & CA. Cindy was definatly drugged. She did not say one word. There you go. That is proof she was drugged. Maybe the reason they have not seen Casey is that they don’t want to. They will support her in public but I do not think they can actually face her.
Saying that people should call THEM and not OCSO becuase the OCSO is not doing anything. That’s awful. Saying KidFinders HELPS. Oh, these poor people are delusional.
Also, GA has completely depersonalized Caylee. He only says “my granddaughter” Never Caylee. The same thing that Casye did. Casey never referred to Caylee by her name, always “that little girl” etc.
This whole thing is not just a chapter in a psych book, its a whole book. How sad.
Kleat #321 Thanks
Uh-huh, I kind of thought so.
#329…sorry Ada, I never meant to pick on you! I swear. George doesn’t seem like the brightest crayon in the package and I get what you were saying. I recognize your awesome wit and contribution to the site! Much love <3
#327. True Momof3 and well said! I guess anything is possible…nursing doesn’t always equate to mother of the year. I just have troubles reconciling Casey even wanted to ‘pump’. That would still hinge on her extra curricular activities. When you nurse/pump, you need to be consistent with how often. For me, it was every 4 hours. I guess I just don’t wanna give this ‘woman’ (I use the term loosely) any credit.
You have given me more to consider =). Thank you sista friend xo
‘thinking’ Momof3…you think Casey would pump along with bottle feeding? I can’t see Casey wanting to even make THAT kind of effort. I’m interested in your perspective =)
Ragdoll, I am honored that you asked for my personal opinion.
Going on my personal feelings only, I don’t believe Casey would have breastfed/pumped unless she was forced to by Cindy. Either by quilt or money issues. Formula is expensive. The only reason I believe Casey would have chosen breastfeeding, on her own, would be to claim Caylee as hers.
In my personal experience most young mothers, teens more so, do not breast feed. Not because of their unwillingness to bond with their child. One, it seems strange to them. Two, it isn’t comfortable. You have to deal with soreness,(at first)and leaking. Three, it restricts them from becoming themselves again, meaning, they want to get back to the way they were before, mind and body. This is especially true if it was a hidden prenancy/unwanted pregnancy. Four, they cannot diet when they are breastfeeding. They feel like they have been restricted enough during the nine months. Fifth, breastfeeding ties them to the baby, even with pumping. They are the sole provider of nurishment.
Knowing these things, I believe IF Casey nursed Caylee, it was because Cindy made it so. I imagine being a nurse Cindy would have pushed it. If Cindy breastfed Casey she would expect the same. I agree that another factor would have been to claim motherhood over Cindy. Breastfeeding is after all, something only a mother could do.
These are not the right reasons to breastfeed. These reasons lead to resentment, not love or a nuturing bond. Have you ever seen the movie For Keeps? This IMO is an acurate portrayal of what many young mothers go through. Most grow to love their babies more each day. Perhaps, Casey only grew to resent hers more.
pleez lol
I dont think and cant see casey as the nurturing breast feeding kind. she cared less about bonding breast feeding with caylee sindy is so full of herself!
I dont even buy it your kidding right yuck I dont see it and wont be convinced of it!
as sexual as she is not to be gross I dont see her sharing that part in a mothering way. nope. I am not going to get graphic but you get the pic of how she was.
First time to post here- hello everyone.
I follow the case and will continue to do so until it is resolved in some fashion. For now, I can say that in my opinion, January cannot come fast enough when the wheels of justice start to roll on some of Casey’s “lesser” crimes.
I don’t hate Casey. What amazes me is that she still thinks she can get away with this! And this is something else… I do not see her as having a notably different psycho or sociopathic prfile than many of the kids I see or work with. Morality is just a relative term to many of them. Casey lied so much in her teenage years that she believed and believes her own lies.
So I signed on to say something about breastfeeding. I breastfed my two children and it IS a bonding experience, but it is also of great value to the mother as it really helps you shed weight and get back in shape- and no, it doesn’t really wreck your breasts if you’re small (as Casey was) to start with. It’s easier than bottlefeeding as you don’t have to sterilize anything or check temps or mix formula.
Also, Cindy may have pushed the health aspect of breastfeeding with Casey… so Casey may have done it not to be hasseled… OR may have pretended to do it later on so that Cindy would not bother her. On Casey’s part, it may have been a justification as to why she really didn’t need to look for a paying job- she could have thrown that back in Cindy’s face later as an excuse for lying about her fictitious job at Universal.
With no sympathy for Casey at all- I remember those days with toddlers and infants. A lot of us do. Lots of crying days and changes in identity and fights with our dying egos. To be a parent is to die to yourself in some ways… and to be reborn a better person. I don’t think Casey made it over the hump. Confession… there were times that I thought I was losing it with my little ones, but I always took time out when it got bad… had a cup of coffee… called a friend… put on a favorite LP (you know what I’m saying:-)
I let them have their tantrum and then sleep- good training for teenagerhood. 23 years later, we are none the worse for those boundaries.
There is something inherently unhealthy in the way we promote children to royalty in our homes. If Casey was the Princess and lost that place to Caylee, whose fault was that? Would Caylee have benefitted from that mentality? I don’t think so… nor do I think George and Cindy could have afforded that. My own Mother raised my sister’s child who has turned out to be a mess. Very similar dynamics- very codependent.
The video? There are so many little intricacies that may or may not be connected in this situation (the IKEA paradox). I do believe that Casey LIVED on the internet and that she may have seen this video, and that it may have influenced her cover story. I do think she was weaving her own little fiction for a month, but I certainly do not think she is smart. If she was smart, she would have faked her OWN kidnapping and shlepped herself up to Canada where its hard to get extradited for murder. She’s not smart- but she’s scared.
As she ought to be.
Welcome and thank you for your insight.
Can I ask all those who read your comment for one thing? I have a concern about continuing the gaphics and specifics of nursing vs. the general dialog as it relates to Casey/Caylee.
Personally, I feel this is such an intimate issue between a mother and her child/children it is sacrosant, does that make sense?
B
Hi Chica, I hope you are feeling well.
Ragdoll and I were debating whether or not Cindy saying Casey breastfed was true or just another lie.
Thanks for weighing in with your opinion! I agree with your post. Casey using her breasts only for sexual attraction/gratification is also a very good point. One that I might add, is held by many new moms.
Oops sorry Blink, I posted my last comment before your asking to refrain from discussing it further. Please,if you feel it is appropriate just delete it thanks.
Thank you Blink-
I understand your concern about the nature of the discussion of breastfeeding as it pertains to our culture. I teach anthropology as an adjunct and it is always amazing to me (based on my students’ reactions to the childrearing chapter lesson) how much we are out of touch with what our bodies are designed to do. It (breastfeeding) is foremost- a practical effort, and not too far in our past, a necessary effort to keep our children alive. In our recent past, only the elite could afford a nursemaid and there was no such thing as a baby bottle. It’s only in “developed” societies now, where women’s breasts are sexualized, that anyone is shocked by the breast having any other function.
It’s probably fair to say though, that breastfeeding does not necessarily make a good mother out of a woman. I don’t know for sure, but Andrea Yates who was convicted of drowning her children in a neighborhood near my home, was very much into fulfilling traditional female roles.
O I could not agree with you more, I was an older first time mom, so perhaps it was an easier choice for me, and as I write this, I am not sure I understand my own need for privacy on the issue, except that when it comes to my children, it is just my first nature. Occu Hazard I guess., or it is the only thing that will only be mine and theirs alone. Everything else is shared with Dad and the Universe. I guess I equate it in a way, with when they were in the “mommy house” as I explained to our daughter as her brother was “cooking”.
BB
Comment by Momof3
your so welcome I am glad that I dont share these feelings on my own. I read yours and ragdolls comments also and agree with your feelings in other words I validate them as also feelings we share in common. Sad for little caylee. hopefully someday justice will prevail for her. Its an honor to share with eachother our frustrations questions and sometimes insight.
Still hoping someone has an opinion on whether or not the A’s will profit from Steven Soderbergh’s new play “Tot Mom”. We’ve not heard anything from them or their posse on this issue which makes me think they may be getting some $$$ for this. Has anyone heard anything?
#338….and logically speaking, Momof3 is right. Cindy probably DID have a say in that, being a nurse and all (and of course, being Cindy and all). Makes sense Mom! Good morning y’all~~
#342. I haven’t heard anything and did try to google the info. Would the play being produced in another country/continent entitle them to royalities ( I don’t know the proper terms, my bad)? Good question Chicago.
Blink, nursing is a ‘personal’ choice and one’s reason to talk or not about their experience is their choice. I believe most on here respect your need for privacy and keeping it personal. In Canada, we are more liberal about nursing and celebrate as being ‘nature’. It’s not meant to be hidden or kept behind closed doors. I’m proud of my country for maintaining a rational perspective on this issue. That being said, I won’t bring it up again since I do respect that this is your site. Lastly, I’d like to say it is relevant to Casey as it does bring into light her maternal instincts or lack of. Personally, I’m hurt and feel that because some of our opinions are not similiar to yours, some of us are being outted as talking inappropriately.
Whatever. It’s done.
Ragdoll-
That was certainly not my intent therefore I apologize. It is relative to Casey’s mothering to an extent, yes. I was more referring to not wanting to create a sort of Le Leche League thread (sp). In no way did I say anything that was said was inapropriate, I just felt it moving off-topic to the relevant issue. Was not personal to anyone and if that is how it was taken, again my apologies.
B
Finally finished slogging through Cindy’s deposition with Ms Burdick. I was struck by how many, many times Cindy refers to Casey as “my child.” “I would never yell at my child.” “She is my child…” It seems Cindy does not see Casey as an adult; all the more reason to cover for her.
I have four grown children. I have not referred to any of them as a child for many, many years (not even when they were in their early twenties).
In the earlier parts of the depo, Cindy consistently maintains that Casey, and not herself, did most of the work when it came to Caylee. Casey also usually bought her clothes, etc. Casey was such an attentive mother, yadda yadda yadda. But it’s not long before Cindy inadvertently reveals, in the midst of answering other questions, that it was CINDY who usually put Caylee to bed, who bought most of the clothing, toys, etc. This occurs throughout the deposition.
Obviously, Cindy did not realize how easily she deviated from the “Casey is the best mother in the world” mantra. I imagine that the SA will note these little discrepancies in her testimony.
Re my earlier question, I got my answer from Hal B. Soderbergh’s using all material that’s public record. So no one gets paid for anything.
As far as Lee maintaining that Cindy and Casey come before his long-time girlfriend Mallory: I find that very creepy. I also can’t help but wonder about Mallory. What would you say when the man you’re in a serious relationship with says that Mommy and Sis come before you? I know what I would say, but I can’t write that here. Blink would hurt me.
lol marcy
I needed a chuckle amongst all this sadness over caylees death and her mother/grandparent/uncle actions.
yeah I dont know how a woman can allow herself to be last on the totem pole. sometimes insecurity alllows us to remain in a dysfunctional relationship. I speak frome xperience hopefuly she will see the light someday and break away.
p,s marcy
that is plain weird
Hey this guy has a website:
This is from BOZO’s website…made me stop and think this PoS works with and ‘defends’ the scum of the earth…..how do people like him sleep at night…I know the answer…no conscience!!
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* Identity theft
http://www.baezlawfirm.com/
I’m trying to wrap my head around the video theory. If Casey was indeed “google-fitting” her story for the 31 days, wouldn’t the computer forensic evidence show proof of the websites she visited and searches she performed; and wouldn’t that evidence have already been released to the public? Ahh, but as I type that, I remember we don’t get the privilege of seeing every piece of evidence, but regardless, I don’t see the need to keep these searches redacted if the searches involving One Tree Hill, shovel, chloroform, etc. have been released to the public. But I agree, it is a huge coincidence; figuring out how it fits, if at all, is the challenge for me.
That would imply for starters that they know and have access to all computers she used.
B
blink if this is offensive to you please delete:
we need to maintain a sense of humor
wouldnt wanna get get blink time out!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kj3pnsvMlzM
ok, it is a bit comical, but please dont post back here on it guys, k?
B
Hi Blink,
I’m still stuck on the darn scanner! I’m going to let it go now. Its just me, when I get something stuck in my head..I have to figure it out. I’m a Taurus..you know the Bull. lol.
I have asked around and several people do remember a scanner being mentioned in the A’s home. There is a video of a interview that greta van susteren did at there home. In the livingroom you can see an antenna that folks have been saying is def a scanner antenna.
There. I’m done. lol
There was a scanner in their home, lol- happy?
Kidding, I can confirm NEITHER OCSO or “County” signal is scrambled, so 2 ways, hamm’s and scanners, all had access to hear what was going on.
Forgive me in advance for forgetting the poster, but there is a post on this site in somewhat “onion” style about his calls and the snake increasing in size every time.
B
Marcy - I think that is super creepy too. Men just don’t say things like that. I mean, there are some that really love their mommas and families, but this is creepy. I wonder if this was more of a message to Mallory that if she didn’t go along with things, that their relationship would be over?
Marcy# 348
I think Mallory knew her place long before Lee ever revealed it in his deposition. On that point though, I think Lee has a different perspective while alone with Mallory and away from Cindy. So maybe that is enough for her.
Blink, sorry if the previous discussion derailed the thread that was not my intention AT ALL.
Ragdoll, we will undoubtly have so much more to debate in the coming months. Right? Thanks for keeping us on topic, Blink.
B
My apologies too for not keeping it on track. Momof3 and I will behave! I appreciate your kindness….all of you!
Love and light….and infinite respect xo
#352 Thanks for your reply Blink. From what I can gather from cell pings/timelines/depositions etc., we have a pretty good idea where she was and who she was with for the period after that video was uploaded.
Unless she searched from a public/shared computer… I did a search for Orlando Public libraries, http://www.ocls.info , and the main branch is located at 101 E. Central Blvd, Orlando; however, there are a total of 14 locations in Orange County. The main branch is 4 blocks east of I-4 and about 5 blocks south of Colonial Drive E. Would this location be in the same cell-ping circle as anyone else’s home - the Anthony home, TonE, Lee? Could she have been at the library using a computer and pinging the same tower as if she were at someone’s home?
#274 Chicago Judy RE: Tot Mom Play
The company’s Web site says that Soderbergh uses “excerpts from transcripts of Nancy Grace’s show, court documents and police reports” to create the play, which is described as “a compelling drama for our sensation-hungry times.” By taking the material from the public record, a playwright would not have to compensate an author. <—– means no mooooola for Cindy and co.
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/caylee-anthony/orl-bk-casey-anthony-tot-mom-102909,0,3543612.story
Info from Google Maps combined with Blink’s 3-D cell ping map from the “George Lied” post - the quick and dirty version…
Intersection of Curry Ford Road and Chickasaw - approx. 2.5 miles from the Southeast Branch of the Library; 3.6 miles from the Herndon Branch; 5.6 from the Main Branch.
Intersection of Semoran and Aloma - approx. 3.6 miles from the Herndon Branch; 5.9 miles from the Main Branch; 8.2 miles from the Southeast Branch.
I don’t have the exact addresses of all those associated with Casey, but I research and “tighten” things up a bit. It may just be a rabbit trail, but it seems at least worth working out.
Marine Mama, Hello
Police Scanner
A “Private Investigator” would likely have a scanner.
Or one can use their computer and listen on-line to OCSO. Back in August (11-13) 2008, I believe it would have been the OCSO dispatcher and officers(deputies)/cars communicating back and forth with each other, responding to locations like Suburban Drive.
Here is a live scanner link for OSCO:
(note: if one becomes a Premium Subscriber to this linked site, one can access the AUDIO ARCHIVES FROM 2008. Just so I don’t mislead anyone, I am not a subscriber to the linked radio site, so I do not know if their 2008 audio archives includes communications related to Caylee Anthony, or if they did once but perhaps are now redacted.)
http://www.radioreference.com/apps/audio/?ctid=363
has anyone seen this I think blink may of had.?
interesting
This is posted in the responses…….has anyone heard this before? Is there anyway o check out if it is true or not
by CinCDA October 18, 2009 2:39 AM EDT
I believe it was $20,000.00 for this one (I am not sure if that was a down payment or what). Funny thing, to them, the death of their granddaughter has been a real blessing. Prior to this, they were in default on their mortgage.. now their house has been mysteriously paid off and they don’t work.. Caylee is their mealticket.
OH I am clarifying I seen it elsewhere dont know how true it is but I just thought it was rather interesting.
Just a thought about the duct tape over caylee’s mouth. I think the duct tape was not just over her mouth i think it covered her nose to and that is how she killed her. By suffocation. A child her size a peice of tape could have easily covered the nose to. Then there would be no way to prove how she died. becouse of the decomp. Thats why they left her out there in the woods so long so all the evidence would be gone from the elements of the weather. They are all very sick people who should be held acountable for their actions. God will hold them all acountable some day.
Ragdolll and momof3
I’m with you too! In tellin blink that we will not comment on sensetive matters
I sowwy
everyone have a good weekend
blessings to all
chica
Something is just not right with the “scanner theory” .This may be long winded but bear with me and see if you see what I see.The A’s and Thier PI’s had to have found out some other way -Every media outlet would have been there just in case something were to go down .Media monitor police scanners all the time to be first at the scene of breaking news. The County Utilities would have used a different frequency than OCSO.I worked as a police dispatcher for years.Fire,ambulance,utilities and police are all on separate channels.On the police scanner you will hear the calls going out to police but you will not hear the dispatch to fire or ambulance itself ,only that they have been dispatched to a call (unless you find and program each separate frequency into your home police scanner).For example:Say there was report of smoke coming from a building and I needed to get ahold of the fire dept for emergency assistance ,I had access to all services and would contact them on thier channel to relay info,I would also dispatch the patrol car covering that area and you would hear something like…control to unit 4311 copy a report of smoke coming from a residence at 123 any st ,nearest cross street main st . Caller stated unsure if anyone is in the residence at this time. Blue , single family,2 story on west side of street.Fire control has been notified.0530 hrs.My big hang upon this theory is that Dominic Casey was there 3 months after Kronks call.I can’t find the call that went out to Cain on 08/13 but my guess is that he cleared it as unfounded and that no specific information was relayed in that call as to where exactly and what exactly was found. You could however read both the complaintant’s and the responding officer’s descriptive statements on an incident report following the call…if you worked for the department or had a copy somehow. What were the Ants and all thier peoples doing during those 3 months? Wouldn’t they have had the time to find Caylee and hide her somewhere else? Why would DC involve Hoover months later - in broad daylight no less? Any thoughts? Help !
Happy Halloween to All Justice for Caylee the cutest little pumpkin!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Blink, all, good morning! I have a couple of questions that I don’t see, just skimming through due to time constraints, today, in particular Blink, can you tie this all in with Keith Williams and the bag/balloon etc. he found in the woods back in August, a mere 60 feet from where Caylee’s remains were found? Didn’t he present this bag to Cindy, like around the 14th? And didn’t she deny that the items he presented belonged to Caylee, refused the bag and sent him on his way? Wasn’t this bag deteriorated, to the point that roots were growing through it as were growing through the bags containing Caylee’s remains? Wasn’t Cain fired over his failure to take Williams and the items seriously? (Sorry, there’s more). Could it be possible that Casey’s fingerprints are on some of these items that Williams retrieved? Perhaps the Father’s Day balloon? Could Cindy have dumped these items herself, fully knowing that Caylee was out there, and attempting to get rid of more evidences? Could DC have been out there looking for items that the Anthony’s had planted in an attempt to exonerate Casey? We do not know what all was in that car prior to Cindy and George getting their hands on it!
Cindy knew when Keith presented her with the bag that Caylee was dead. Of this I have no doubt. I’ve much more to say but have to get ready for our daughter’s bridal shower. It will be late, by the time I get back to this. Y’all be safe. Especially those in Florida! Two near abductions reported, here, yesterday. The perpetrator is still at large.
Prayerfully,
Gavi
#367 I’m curious to know if this was a scanner or a weather radio, as in NOAA. Some of them resemble scanners. This is Florida and it’s not uncommon during hurricane season to have one handy. I use ours to monitor nationally — ie the storms that recently struck and flooded parts of Georgia, where we have friends and family. Just a thought.
#346
Marcy, I noticed that too, and I reaized that Cindy’s caught in a unique position. She wants to stick to the “Casey’s a wonderful mother” script, but at the same time, it’s equally, or more, important that she ensure that everyone knows just how much Cindy did. Even in her “heartfelt” plea on myspace, she makes sure to get in the old “I paid for everything” bit. What to do what to do….
everyone must know how much I did for “that child.”
I ask all of you…who’s the sickest one in the whole mess…is it CMA or is it…CMA
to Comment by raceyrin — October 31, 2009 @ 1:41 am
Good morning raceyrin (and Marine Mama),
The scanner might not have included RK’s live calls if he used a cell phone in August. Would you agree a scanner in Florida pick ups the dispatching and responding LE communications per “the caller”, before reaching the location, after checking the location, and even during the investigating of a location for requesting clarification or further information? If the scanner was on a private frequency for all Caylee-related communications, any idea if a licensed Private Investigator would have access to that frequency?
As far as DC, we know he was on Suburban in November because of Hoover making his tapes known. We have not been privy, however, to any prior or subsequent trips (if there were any) to Suburban by anyone associated with or close to the defense or the A’s.
In the new RK post, I’ve posted (# 128 and 131 - numbers may have changed) a link with 2 LE interview documents regarding August 11-13, 2008 that may be of interest to you.
WPG-
Good point, but I was referring to the radio calls to Kronk colleagues Chris Gibson and David Dean on the 11th. Dean and Kronk are there and then somehow Gibson ( he does not recall how or why) shows up. We don’t know what that would yield.
I can tell you I have personally confirmed OCSO is NOT on a scrambled frequency to this day. Neither is “county”.
OPD is, but if you can believe it, the media still has access and can monitor it to keep everyone honest.
That said, anyone could have heard either Williams dispatch or Kronks.
B
snipped from Blink’s comments:
“WPG-
Good point, but I was referring to the radio calls to Kronk colleagues Chris Gibson and David Dean on the 11th. Dean and Kronk are there and then somehow Gibson ( he does not recall how or why) shows up. We don’t know what that would yield.”
Blink, I never even realized there was radio contact between the utility guys. Very, very good point right back to you.
As far as the media and racyrin’s comments, I don’t know what their protocol is in responding to scanner communications. The August 11-13 calls were “cleared” by the responding Deputies, so perhaps that had some bearing.
Blink, one of the interviewed female officers who responded during August 11-13, may have been the same female Deputy AA responding officer at the A’s residence in July, who went to high school with LA (her first name is confirmed by LA is his State deposition as being at the house July 15, along with the comment of attending same high school). Don’t know if it particularly means anything, other than Suburban and Hopespring are within her assigned area.
Deputy RC worked off-duty patrolling up and down Hopespring for the A’s home shortly after December 11, which is also part of his assigned area (in addition to being the deputy who, August 14(?) debunked Williams’ findings).
In regards to Williams and his found bag that he presented to CA, if CA thought it to be Caylee’s items, would she have kept that to herself or shared it with someone?
Actually WPG, the accompanying deputy to Cain for the Kronk call on the 13th is Kethlin Cutcher. She really did not see anything but Cain coming out of the woodline though.
Interestingly, and this has always bothered me, when Cain was interviewed BOTH times by OCSO. He states there were no other calls to that site, excluding or forgetting Williams. I would be willing to cut this guy a “measure” of slack,
HAD HE called OCSO, JA or YM in particular, after Caylee was found to discuss the incident.
The restraint JA showed in that interview by not asking him if he was a complete effing moron astounds me to this day.
Instead, being the gentlemen they are.. he got off easy, he just fell on his ass and had to admit it.
B
Hi WPG,
Yes I believe in Cains depo he says the call came out as a code 56. I believe that code to be a “meet at” code. Cain says he found a bag and when he lifted it leaves and sticks fell out of the bag. He says he cleared the call and relayed info to the tip line and sent an email. What is with this Cain anyways- he was at Williams call and dismissed that also. You would think that even a lazy cop would have put more effort into calls regarding the caylee anthony case - they were sure to be scrutinized by investigators…Say DC heard it all -or the info was learned from the tip line. In those 3 months they were doing something to locate the remains right? I guess I will find out what dosn’t sit right with me when DC gives another depo.Can’t put my finger on it.Thanks - I always run here to Blinks site to see different points of view as well as Blink’s insightful responses -my husband says I am ocd about this case!
Blink
Thank you, I did not know Kethlin was a female name. So Deputy KC arrived in a separate 2nd vehicle when she sees Cain emerging from the woods. A bit of RK’s recollections are a little different from some bits of the recollections of the 4 deputies, and not unexpected, but I found Deputy AA’s to be a little confusing. I take it then, she heard the radio transmission on the 13th, but did not respond to the scene. I agree in the amount of restraint shown by JA, but then again, that’s what makes a JA. Same for YM and Linda DB.
raceyrin
The heard or recorded dispatch/deputy communications might offer more details like Code 56 at the Suburban address or location, or “caller reporting suspicious bag” perhaps.
In regards to DC, I guess some of the things that need to be determined are who was he contractually working for at what times, the validity of any contracts, all or any existing privilege, and who did he possibly share any “work product” with that was not bound within any signed, active contract (I’m confusing myself). If I recall, he has been ordered to produce those signed, dated contracts by the Judge in the civil case. It will be interesting how his upcoming deposition(s) will play out.
#371 Hi Lori and Marcy
Just a thought…sticking to the ‘mother of the year script’ wouldn’t just be for Casey’s benefit. I’m thinking Cindy may feel that Casey’s failure is her own failure. ‘Reflection’ if you will. IMHO, I think Cindy is making this more about herself than Casey.
I am being treated for depression, social anxiety and OCD. I’ve lost a lot of friends and family in the process of healing. These were people I thought would stick by me through thick and thin but WHOA! They don’t wanna catch what I have. It took my therapist to make me realize that by getting help and dealing with my ‘problems’ isn’t going to make a lot of people very comfortable. As I’m facing my inner demons and understanding my anger, resentment and abandonment issues, everyone else is turning the other way like nothing is/was ever wrong. As Dr. Phil would say, you cannot change what you do not acknowledge. For some, it’s easier to make excuses, live in denial, brush it under the carpet or turn the other way. They do not want to deal with it, end of story. I’ve become the poster child in my family as the screwed up one. In the meantime, I observe their anger and resentment, outbursts and lack of control with feelings along with inappropriate reactions to partiuclar situations. I see my former self in them but they will not look back at the mirror. God forbid what it would reveal! If you were to ask them, they’re nothing like me. I hope this is making sense. I’m trying to provide some insight into Cindy’s possible state of mind.
Cindy and her comments/denial about Casey being a great mother are really statements about herself. If Cindy were EVER to admit Casey has severe psychological problems, that would mean acknowledging the same within her. Whether it’s learned behaviour or an actual genetic mental illness, it still means Cindy is covering her own tracks along with as Casey’s. Does this make any sense? I don’t think Cindy even wants to consider she is not mother of the year herself. Every family has it’s dysfunctions. I thought my family was the exception. It was a horrible truth to face when I realized abuse existed in my family. No surprise since my dad was severely physically abused while my mother was emotional abused. I’m relating my experiences and realizations to Cindy. She’s in a HUGE form of denial and is no where near ready to accept it or take responsibility for it. As long as Cindy continues with her rants claiming this is a sham of a case and Casey is being persecuted, she doesn’t need to look within herself and own the truth. As Casey would say, Cindy is a victim too.
SIDE NOTE: As part of my therapy, I needed to confront my mother with my pain and anger. I was met with denial and resentment for even considering things weren’t ‘normal’. Instead, she threw the martyr angle at me and made it about her. The Anthony’s are not much different than my own family.
PS. I need to clairfy that in my family, all grandchilden are happy, healthy and well loved. I am proud to say that we were also raised to be accountable, responsible and always do our very best. Family traditions and values, despite dysfunctions, are nurturued and embraced deeply. We also have a deep faith in God. If Caylee were a part of my family, she would have been cherished, loved and protected from the horrible fate she suffered.
“I agree in the amount of restraint shown by JA, but then again, that’s what makes a JA. Same for YM and Linda DB.”
correction: that’s what “partly” makes
They are all undeniably skilled individuals.
#366. Hello Chica!
Indeed. We are all on our best behaviour. Nice to make your acquaintance Chica =)
Happy Halloween everyone and stay safe!
#363
I wanted to ask about this too!!! I have read on a couple of other sites that the Anthony’s have moved out of their Hopespring house. If this is true, I’m curious to know what kind of spread they purchased for themselves that was paid with Caylee’s blood. Yes, I am speculating but I will admit if I learn that they have ‘moved on up to the east side’ like the Jeffersons, I will lost it!
Very insightful Ragdoll, I can see parallels between your experiences and the case at hand. All the best wishes for your own personal recovery.
#376 I have always thought that may be Casey was a victim of sexual abuse making her the little sociopath she is today. Recently, I think it’s Cindy who has the most problems. Being the only girl in the family of boys, maybe she is the victim of that abuse. It would explain her control issues, OCD and treatment of George.
#380 On the Zillow web site, the Anthony’s house is on the market.
Im not positive on the house being listed, it does take you to Watson realty, but it is not listed on the Watson Realty site. The could be using a FSBO package from them though without listing it publicly.
At any rate, last I checked they were about $80K upside in that house, add the potential for a stigmatized property in there-
Yeesh.
B
#381….you have no idea how far kindness and compassion goes with me! Thank you so so much xo
#382. My gut tells me it isn’t about sexual abuse, but I wouldn’t bet on it. Casey demonstrates the need (and natural ability) to lie, embellish and fabricate. She was certainly promiscuous but to what extent compared with victims of sexual abuse? I have no clue Casey’s traits are results of sexual abuse. I am certainly not qualified to diagnose her. So much needs to be factored in. Was Cindy ever exposed to sexual abuse? Was George? Whatever the ‘dysfunction’ is, it has a generational right of passage until it is identified and destroyed. That kind of information could certainly shed more light on why Casey is ‘karma chameleon’. It’s also hard to determine if the behaviour Casey showed was learned or psychological. That I can’t stress enough. It takes far more assessment and analysis of her situation to ever draw a complete conclusion about why she is the way she is. In fact, I do hope she is getting some kind of treatment so a diagnosis can be made. So many theories and possibilities present themselves to me, it is almost overwhelming. Casey is definitely sick. Why and where it originated is the big question. If we could expose Casey’s demon and it’s origin, we would probably learn why Caylee is no longer with us.
=(
Casey needs to be diano
#384 I have no clue IF Casey’s traits are results of sexual abuse. (one little missing word and the whole sentence loses credibility
)
#382. Thank you Ada! I didn’t want to make the assumption they had moved or listed. =)
Ragdoll…
Thank you for the personal insight, and I think you are quite right my dear..
Good on you for dealing with what you’ve had to deal with.
Ragdoll likewise! I am glad to know you
I like your kindred spirit!
Many nice folks here
you are one of my favorites
ok as far as Cindy or Casey which is more out there! I have to agree with the person that said Cindy had more issues and than I think lee has major issues. I keep reflecting on the high 5′ with him and Casey and all the inappropiate laughter. They all have major issues all begun with Cindy! Ive never seen anything like it but all in all I’m only concerned that justice is served4 caylee. I carry her in my heart along with my grandchildren! Thank you ragdoll for your kind words
your friend chica
Blink
and friends! Let’s keep my dear friend Dee in our prayers! I just got an email from her!
Her sister passed away
not at liberty to give details of the nature of how she died. My heart breaks for her
chica
O my Dear, please tell her she is my prayers.
B
No updates or nothing new on this case. I myself feel ocd with this case. Probably because in thinking about the dynamics of this case!! I’ve never seen a family of a murdered granchild!!
Sell pictures of the victim and thirst for media attention! To prosper from a murdered child exceeds to the likes that I have never seen!
Makes my heart cry with sadness for caylee. Even Baez has gained much from this!! I pray for these months to go by fast! Caylee will get justice. When I seen my grandchildren ’s holloween outfit’s I thought of caylee. Christmas is coming and there will be no pics of caylee with Santa!! It’s all just too sad. Once this trial is over! Hopefully the anthony’s and their attornys will fade out of sight!! I am tired of Baez and the anthony’s lusting for media attention!!
Meanwhile onward for this cause it’s all for caylee.
New GLOBE article - critical of Anthonys - “BOOZE CRUISE” Nov. 9, 2009 by Bob Burns.
calls them “tattooed grandparents” and says they “party” while “Monster Mom festers behind bars”!
excerpts:
“BOOZE CRUISE”
“….Casey Anthony’s parents ……boozing, gambling and showing off their tattoos on a Caribbean cruise while their daughter languishes in jail.”
“…. grandparents reaped the fat payout for cooperating with the 48 Hours Mystery show,” …..
“a shipmate tells GLOBE” …..
“I saw them at night in the casino bar where both George and Cindy were enjoying cocktails and didn’t seem to have a care in the world, says the passenger.”
“Casey’s parents - who seem to share their black-hearted daughter’s party-hearty appetite - were also proudly displaying colorful tattoos.” “Cindy’s bears the name Caylee Marie entwined with a butterfly in tribute to their little granddaughter.” “George - who was also seen for the first time wearing a pair of diamond stud earrings - has the inscription “My Sunshine” on his chest. The tattoo features a girl with sunbeams streaming down on her.”
includes 2 new cruise photos from a fellow passenger.
Well that clears that up. Now Im gonna throw up.
B
blink
I will tell her, she will be flying in to the states on tueday. she is a mess right now thank you I will tell her.
p.s
I can only say that she told me she feels like she is living her own crime novel. thank you I am going to be talking to her tomorrow its alread another day in germany.
god bless chica
oh thinker that is totaly disgusting !!!! I just dont know what to say without getting blink upset with me so I will just puke!!!! I am so sickened and sad for caylee. I can imagine casey is in a rage. I am sure that they are drinking it up with mallory and lee!!!
thinker????
where did you find this???
whats pics????
Chica , sorry to hear about your friend.
Thinker #391
Thanks for posting that. I was kinda feeling bad for even discussing the possibility of Cindy and George having tattoos. Now,not so much.
There is nothing wrong in having tattoos. Why lie during your deposition about being a tattoo type of person, though? These people really don’t make any sense.
someone has said the tattoos “might” be temporary type you can get on a cruise?????
http://s439.photobucket.com/albums/qq120/cayleecross/?action=view¤t=GLOBEtattooarticle1.jpg
http://s439.photobucket.com/albums/qq120/cayleecross/?action=view¤t=GLOBEtattooarticle.jpg
Honestly, I think for me that may be worse. This is going to be one of these things I close my eyes and pretend I never saw.
B
momof3
it’s just not the tatooes it’s their behaviour in all. it’s total disrespectful to little caylees memory. they have prospered tremendously from little caylees death. they have virtualy no integrity or respect for themselves. I just hope that there will be enough media saturation to cause major harm to their their credibility! far and wide. can you imagine caseys rage in jail when she finds out or has already found out that her mom and dad and brother are now living the good life!! all because of her!! hell this may be enough to cause her to wanna throw them all under the bus!!! hell they just put a measley 50.00 on her books!!! but spent hundreds on themselves having a good old time with lee and mallory!! like I have said before and will continue to say!!
I have never seen any other case where: grandparents/parents have prospered from a childs death!! selling pictures of caylees and anything they think will make them lots of money. I would think its just as easy to work but I guess they are even playing that up to the hilt!disability sure is being played there is no stress leave its a stress free new life with no more finalcial woe’s.
I think many folks tried to give them the benefit of the doubt but quicly realized that they were playing on peoples sympathy to help caseys cause. they are doing her more damage and if the real truth be known! it’s possible that they dont even care. I dont realy think they want her free. they just want her to do life not the needle that will ease their guilt and they can go on with the good life. more cruises more BEAUTIFUL LIFE.
R.I.P caylee
momof3
dee is one of our blinkers too!!
thinker
thanks so much for the links. they gross me out..
Chica,
My thoughts and care to Dee, as well.
I have been in touch with her. I will only comment to say she appreciates the well wishes and I have advised her to keep the matter private for now.
B
CONGRATULATIONS and much APPRECIATION to Prosecutor Linda Drane Burdick for TWENTY YEARS as a Prosecutor!!!! She is one class act!
http://www.wftv.com/news/21479920/detail.html
excerpt:
But Friday their convictions brought no laughs or tears. They did bring a sense of satisfaction to Assistant State Attorney Linda Drane-Burdick on her twentieth anniversary as a prosecutor.
LOVED LDB’s closing argument in this rape trial, where she said: “There is absolutely no evidentiary support for a word that you have said and that your story, if you want to call it that, is not worthy of belief.” (this closing argument will fit perfectly in Casey’s murder and check fraud trials).
yes blink and that she is doing she has to deal with alot you gave her good advise. I feel for her but what she needs right now is our prayers
god bless
chica
Oh! Thanks Chica, extra well wishes sent. Thanks for passing them along too, Blink.
think
thanks for adding that sometimes excerpt! sometimes I/we let our faith waiver and now. I am more convinced that with her in control there will be no chance for casey to walk. she is going to do everything she can to vindicate caylees death.
the anthonys will fade out of sight when this is all over. I get so anxious for the trial and more so everytime baez or the anthonys can stop prospering. someone said that the anthonys
never met a camera they didnt like. thats so very true but it also applies to baez. I just want baby caylee to rest in peace.
momof3
your so welcomed. I just thought it was appropiate to let her know that people care and feel for what she is going through in this time of grief. dee and I have been friends for a while now and we have shared so many life experiences the good and the bad. she needs our prayers and support and she has them. blink is so sweet she looks after us all like we are her flock. I guess in a sense we are.
take care chica
Just a thought. Is it possible that the defense is wanting George and Cindy to show themselves using Ugly COPING as much as possible to show that it is a family genetic trait that Casey has learned and lived with throughout her life?? I mean we all agree they are way messed up. But could it be deliberate on their part? HMMMMMMM
well my book has finally shipped from Amazon and I should get it Wed. I’m talking about Diane Fanning.
I am so sorry to hear of Dee’s sister, and join with everyone in prayers of peace and comfort for her and their family.
Most sincerely, Gavi.
Sigh … so much news to get through today. Dee’s sister’s passing. My heart aches for her.
George and Cindy’s tattoos and diamond studded earrings? I don’t even WANT to know this. Narcissism (malignant) then, must have woven itself throughout the psyche’s of this entire family, the likes of whom no one has ever known before, and no matter the well seasoned detective or criminal psychologist who would expect at least one member to be filled with genuine remorse, wouldn’t you think?
As it is, it’s all a show, it seems to me. They are all basking in their twenty minutes of fame while taking full advantage of the opportunity afforded them to take center stage and profit greatly, by way of Caylee’s merciless death, and I wouldn’t agree with anyone who’d conclude that the family, if in particular Cindy, is simply in a momentary state of denial. She knew. They all knew. But rather than to have held Casey accountable they continued on as they always have, making one excuse after another for her. It just sickens me so. She is no less than the monster they created her to be, but are they any less monstrous? I think not, for they seek not justice for Caylee as much as they do notoriety for themselves. That’s my opinion, anyway.
This too, is just my opinion, that indeed there was an instance or two or more of an incestual nature, which may go far in explaining the greater control (greater than the typical malignant narcissist) Casey has over all within her family. I can almost see her stomp her foot, point her finger, put on her ugly Casey face and announce, “If you don’t do what I want you to do I’m going to tell everyone we know about what really goes on in this house!” Cindy, who has made more excuses and told more lies for her than anyone would not ever allow that to be so. The stinking garbage that had lay hidden within the box that had been so beautifully wrapped would be exposed, and Cindy’s entire persona would begin to implode.
And so now I have gone on and on again, in the ramblings of my all too weary soul that just can’t seem to grasp, nor to so much as begin to understand, how such an entire group of people can be so self-serving and cold.
Gavi, simply.
Will someone puhleeze tell me why in the world George Anthony is wearing diamond earings? I think the Ants are certifiable -
I thought the damn thing on his ear was a patch to prevent sea sickness! And those stupid tattoos - its like they are trying to call
attention to themselves. These people are so sick, I thought nothing would shock me, but this does. Id like to send the article to Casey.
She will have a fit! I remember when she was in jail the first time
and she thought that C&G had a “chili” party at their house and she
was so upset. This little outing will really get to her and Lee and Mallory along as well!
artgal
wouldnt it be nice if would play the devils advocate and spill the frijoles to casey about the cruise and the tatoees. Its beyond disgusting how cindy looked in that bathing suit! but I dont want to give blink a chance to chastise me for it so I will just leave it at that. I think you get my drift. I am and will continue to pissed at the way they are acting their behaviour is whats going to send their daughter to the table for the needle or life in prison if she doesnt throw them all under the bus first nothing would surprise me nothing nada! . but If she finds out she may just start scheeming of ways to get even and I say it serves them right. they havent met a camera they didnt like.especialy since they only put 50.00 on her books and spends loads of money gambling … drinking…. and whatever else ! oh yeah the tatooes. and yes lee and mallory along living the good life with them because of casey!! well thats just to much for her to bear… dont be surprised if something doesnt happen soon!!!
oops if baez wou
Suz re: Post 264. GOOD POINT, that totally makes sense. I figure it is revenge for “something” in this case it would theoretically be Lee saying that about her.
Couple comments on Lee’s deposition, if I may be indulged: 1) He is an extremely poor communicator. 2) He is not particularly bright, although he thinks he is. 3) I wish I had a dime for every time Lee laughed during his testimony. No question, I’d be a rich woman.
Chica
Please extend my sympathies to dee on her loss.
Can anyone tell me if there’s a way to email Blink separately or does everything have to be posted for all to see?
Bees, you can post here, only I will see it if you want it private.
B
westside
I will relay your sympathies to her! she appreciates everyones prayers for her and her family at this time of loss. God give them peace and comfort and be their footprints in the sand. my heart breaks for her.
if this has already been posted please disregard.
http://www.cfnews13.com/News/Local/2…ercharged.html
Defense Says Casey Anthony Was Overcharged
Tuesday, November 03, 2009 1:05:01 PM
Anthony’s defense is filing new motions, which legal analysts say means the defense are getting their ducks in a row. When a person’s life is at stake, you can’t leave any stone unturned, and if the case goes through an appeals process, these are the natural steps to take.
There are still a number of other motions that haven’t been heard before the judge. There is no word on when these new motions will be heard.
PDF Motion: Preclude Death Penalty
http://www.cfnews13.com/uploadedFile…Procedures.pdf
PDF Motion: Dismiss Defective Motions
http://www.cfnews13.com/uploadedFile…Indictment.pdf
PDF Motion: Violation Of Double Jeopardy
http://www.cfnews13.com/uploadedFile…y%20Clause.pdf
I see all the Aug. 13 theories for Cindy knowing Caylee was gone, but I still believe they knew on July 15th when they smelled the car and Cindy washed Casey’s pants. George being ex-LE and investigating homicide and Cindy being a nurse and having admitted knowing the smell of decomp makes me believe they knew. Probably didn’t want to admit it, but knew. Perhaps the knowledge that decomp was found in the car and Kronk reporting seeing a skull hit home. I don’t know that George and Cindy knew about Kronks previous calls in August, but it would be reasonable that they would know something was up.
Maybe I just have a close family, but I find it very odd that no one in that family knew anything about each other. I know more about extended family on my husbands side than that family knew about each other. I just find that odd (or perhaps a lie to keep from having to rat each other out).
#422 Roni, perhaps they know nothing of each other because they are all hopelessly self-absorbed.
:decloaking: Comment by Steadychick — October 29, 2009 @ 11:31 am was a very good post and her first topic covered was on the money. As a 40something divorcée, I can attest to its validity. If you show at least a polite interest to a woman’s child/children while dating, the potential for a LTR is there. If the woman is special enough, her children become more important to you. Jesse was not dealing with a normal woman and his well-placed care (the potential that Caylee WAS his grows this angle exponentially) was taken as a challenge to Casey’s ’supremacy’. His care for Caylee is EXACTLY why he ended on the outside looking in. Not only that, but it made him a prime pigeon for the hate factory stance that her family and defense team have seem to have taken.
Been so busy, have lots to catch up on. And by the way, who’d waste their time on WS anyway, when we have BOC? \o/ Hooray!
Oops, posted in the wrong place. O, darn. You have to see this, anyway. Thank God. Thank God.
http://www.wftv.com/video/21528403/index.html
WATCH THIS- WATCH THIS- WATCH THIS
Gavi- thanks for posting this. A HAPPY ENDING.. I now have a crush on Sherriff Bobby- If anyone doubts that Law Enforcement are our heroes, wach this.
B
#426 I’ve always had a deep respect for people who put their lives on the line every day to keep their communities and countries safe. This is one of those reasons.
Thank you sharing Gavi. I feel like I can hope again. xo
My prayers for Dee and her family. I hope she knows she is loved, thought of and not alone in her grief.
thank you Ragdoll yes she knows we care for her. I will let her know what you relayed. I am in contact with her. she appreciates everyones prayers and support through this time of grief and loss.
Okay, there were a couple that I was able to access, at least abstracts, without pay per view. The first was only examined after two weeks. The second contradicts the prior links posted, “Adipocere has generally been considered to result from bacterial action, commonly in warm, damp, anaerobic environments.”:
http://www.astm.org/JOURNALS/FORENSIC/PAGES/JFS4630609.htm
Abstract
The accurate determination of postmortem interval (PMI) using the formation of adipocere presents a significant challenge to forensic scientists interested in determining the time of death. Several attempts have been made to determine the time since the occurrence of death. However, up to date, this has been difficult because previous approaches have been mainly qualitative, focusing on the later stages of degradation processes. This work presents preliminary results of an experimental model of postmortem adipocere formation using liquid chromatography. Three pig cadavers were submerged in distilled water, chlorinated water, and saline water. Fresh specimens resulting from the degradation in the subcutaneous fat were obtained from the pigs at two-week intervals for a period of ten weeks, and were subjected to chromatographic analysis. By correlating the ratio of the disappearance of hydrolyzed fatty acids with the formation of hydroxystearic and oxostearic acids after death, a simple, quantitative analytical method was developed for the determination of PMI. Experimental observation of the chemistry of adipocere formation indicated that adipocere can be formed only a few hours after an incidence of death and this continues until the saturation of oleic acid degradation after several weeks. Different time courses were obtained for cadavers immersed in distilled, chlorinated, and saline water, respectively. This work has not in any way solved the time since death problem. But it may be an approach to the problem that has not been adequately explored.
J Forensic Sci. 1993 Jan;38(1):91-3.
Experimental observations on adipocere formation.
Mellen PF, Lowry MA, Micozzi MS.
National Museum of Health and Medicine, Armed Forces Institute of Pathology, Washington, DC.
Adipocere, “grave wax,” is a waxy or greasy decomposition product formed by hydrolysis and hydrogenation of tissue fats. Once formed, it appears stable for extended periods. Adipocere has generally been considered to result from bacterial action, commonly in warm, damp, anaerobic environments. However, its frequency, rate of formation, factors affecting its formation and physical characteristics are not well defined. To study the frequency, time course, and effects of temperature and clothing on adipocere formation, we submerged human adipose tissue samples in aquaria under controlled conditions and conducted serial observations. Adipocere formed with high frequency, within a few months, in tissues submerged in warm tap water; similar changes took longer, 12 to 18 months in cold water submersion. Presence of clothing over the tissue appeared to accelerate adipocere formation.
PMID: 8426163 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]
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