Comments on: Casey/Caylee Anthony Case: Duct Tape, Father’s Day and Hopkins http://blinkoncrime.com/2009/10/27/caseycaylee-anthony-case-duct-tape-fathers-day-and-hopkins/ Blink On Crime Wed, 08 Feb 2012 06:37:59 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Chijojo http://blinkoncrime.com/2009/10/27/caseycaylee-anthony-case-duct-tape-fathers-day-and-hopkins/comment-page-9/#comment-1681497 Chijojo Fri, 15 Apr 2011 07:23:59 +0000 http://blinkoncrime.com/?p=2668#comment-1681497 I would just like to give kudo's for the very insightful opinions expressed here and a thank you for the links to many articles and vidoes I've missed. Great job Blink! I would just like to give kudo’s for the very insightful opinions expressed here and a thank you for the links to many articles and vidoes I’ve missed. Great job Blink!

]]> By: StillThinking http://blinkoncrime.com/2009/10/27/caseycaylee-anthony-case-duct-tape-fathers-day-and-hopkins/comment-page-9/#comment-1515142 StillThinking Mon, 23 Nov 2009 19:42:00 +0000 http://blinkoncrime.com/?p=2668#comment-1515142 Hi -- I see no one has posted here for a couple weeks, so maybe this blog is closed, but in reading all of the posts about when Cindy may have known something had happened to Caylee, I've had a different theory for quite awhile that I wanted to share. Being a parent of 4 semi-adults myself, my ears perked up on some statements made early in this case. First, remember, Cindy said "I gave you 30 days." This represents some sort of 1-month deadline pre-arrangement they had, and is why everyone knows she was missing "31 days." (My other hunch is that Casey or Cindy thought or read somewhere that after 30 days cause of death would be more difficult to determine.) I've never believed controlling Cindy would wait 30 days without seeing Caylee under normal circumstances, nor do I believe George's account of seeing Casey and Caylee the morning after Father's Day. It had too many fake details. I believe the whole family may know that there was a huge fight the night before that resulted in the death of Caylee, and Cindy gave Casey 30 days to lie low and come up with a plausible story. If she had really been missing 30 days and the parents hadn't seen them, then what was the story about Casey getting to her car in the garage ahead of her dad to return the gas can before he looked in her trunk? What I also think is that the whole thing with Cindy bringing Amy with her to "witness" her discovering Caylee was a ruse that either Cindy, or Cindy AND Casey, cooked up. I also think Amy knew something, and was involved in some way, or was being used. Casey just seemed too nonchalant about using Amy's checks at Target, as though she had permission, perhaps as payback for something. There was something about her not getting to go on a trip with her, maybe she owed her something, but then Casey took more than was owed. I just feel like Casey appeared relaxed when Caylee first went missing because she thought her mother was going to handle everything. When you consider that Cindy might have known all along, everything since then takes on a different light. Alternately, maybe Caylee wasn't killed during their fight, although Cindy likely said things put anger like, "I'm done with both of you. She's your child. You raise her!" Then, Casey did something stupid like leaving her in a trunk or not watching her in the pool and accidentally killed her. Once discovered by Cindy she probably immediately and tearfully confessed to the "accident," which is when Cindy changed her "dead body" story to "rotting pizza." Otherwise, why would she withdraw her dead body reference, since it still could have been Caylee's. That doesn't mean Casey did it? Hi — I see no one has posted here for a couple weeks, so maybe this blog is closed, but in reading all of the posts about when Cindy may have known something had happened to Caylee, I’ve had a different theory for quite awhile that I wanted to share. Being a parent of 4 semi-adults myself, my ears perked up on some statements made early in this case. First, remember, Cindy said “I gave you 30 days.” This represents some sort of 1-month deadline pre-arrangement they had, and is why everyone knows she was missing “31 days.” (My other hunch is that Casey or Cindy thought or read somewhere that after 30 days cause of death would be more difficult to determine.) I’ve never believed controlling Cindy would wait 30 days without seeing Caylee under normal circumstances, nor do I believe George’s account of seeing Casey and Caylee the morning after Father’s Day. It had too many fake details. I believe the whole family may know that there was a huge fight the night before that resulted in the death of Caylee, and Cindy gave Casey 30 days to lie low and come up with a plausible story. If she had really been missing 30 days and the parents hadn’t seen them, then what was the story about Casey getting to her car in the garage ahead of her dad to return the gas can before he looked in her trunk? What I also think is that the whole thing with Cindy bringing Amy with her to “witness” her discovering Caylee was a ruse that either Cindy, or Cindy AND Casey, cooked up. I also think Amy knew something, and was involved in some way, or was being used. Casey just seemed too nonchalant about using Amy’s checks at Target, as though she had permission, perhaps as payback for something. There was something about her not getting to go on a trip with her, maybe she owed her something, but then Casey took more than was owed. I just feel like Casey appeared relaxed when Caylee first went missing because she thought her mother was going to handle everything. When you consider that Cindy might have known all along, everything since then takes on a different light. Alternately, maybe Caylee wasn’t killed during their fight, although Cindy likely said things put anger like, “I’m done with both of you. She’s your child. You raise her!” Then, Casey did something stupid like leaving her in a trunk or not watching her in the pool and accidentally killed her. Once discovered by Cindy she probably immediately and tearfully confessed to the “accident,” which is when Cindy changed her “dead body” story to “rotting pizza.” Otherwise, why would she withdraw her dead body reference, since it still could have been Caylee’s. That doesn’t mean Casey did it?

]]> By: chica http://blinkoncrime.com/2009/10/27/caseycaylee-anthony-case-duct-tape-fathers-day-and-hopkins/comment-page-9/#comment-1511877 chica Tue, 10 Nov 2009 00:27:04 +0000 http://blinkoncrime.com/?p=2668#comment-1511877 RAGDOLL YOUR VERY WELCOMED! PEACE RAGDOLL
YOUR VERY WELCOMED!
PEACE

]]> By: Ragdoll http://blinkoncrime.com/2009/10/27/caseycaylee-anthony-case-duct-tape-fathers-day-and-hopkins/comment-page-9/#comment-1511832 Ragdoll Mon, 09 Nov 2009 19:27:27 +0000 http://blinkoncrime.com/?p=2668#comment-1511832 #429 Chica Much appreciated Chica. I believe support from family, friends and strangers can bring some comfort and healing. Always, love and light* #429 Chica

Much appreciated Chica. I believe support from family, friends and strangers can bring some comfort and healing. Always, love and light*

]]> By: westsidehudson http://blinkoncrime.com/2009/10/27/caseycaylee-anthony-case-duct-tape-fathers-day-and-hopkins/comment-page-9/#comment-1511116 westsidehudson Fri, 06 Nov 2009 13:07:15 +0000 http://blinkoncrime.com/?p=2668#comment-1511116 Okay, there were a couple that I was able to access, at least abstracts, without pay per view. The first was only examined after two weeks. The second contradicts the prior links posted, "Adipocere has generally been considered to result from bacterial action, commonly in warm, damp, anaerobic environments.": http://www.astm.org/JOURNALS/FORENSIC/PAGES/JFS4630609.htm Abstract The accurate determination of postmortem interval (PMI) using the formation of adipocere presents a significant challenge to forensic scientists interested in determining the time of death. Several attempts have been made to determine the time since the occurrence of death. However, up to date, this has been difficult because previous approaches have been mainly qualitative, focusing on the later stages of degradation processes. This work presents preliminary results of an experimental model of postmortem adipocere formation using liquid chromatography. Three pig cadavers were submerged in distilled water, chlorinated water, and saline water. Fresh specimens resulting from the degradation in the subcutaneous fat were obtained from the pigs at two-week intervals for a period of ten weeks, and were subjected to chromatographic analysis. By correlating the ratio of the disappearance of hydrolyzed fatty acids with the formation of hydroxystearic and oxostearic acids after death, a simple, quantitative analytical method was developed for the determination of PMI. Experimental observation of the chemistry of adipocere formation indicated that adipocere can be formed only a few hours after an incidence of death and this continues until the saturation of oleic acid degradation after several weeks. Different time courses were obtained for cadavers immersed in distilled, chlorinated, and saline water, respectively. This work has not in any way solved the time since death problem. But it may be an approach to the problem that has not been adequately explored. J Forensic Sci. 1993 Jan;38(1):91-3. Experimental observations on adipocere formation. Mellen PF, Lowry MA, Micozzi MS. National Museum of Health and Medicine, Armed Forces Institute of Pathology, Washington, DC. Adipocere, "grave wax," is a waxy or greasy decomposition product formed by hydrolysis and hydrogenation of tissue fats. Once formed, it appears stable for extended periods. Adipocere has generally been considered to result from bacterial action, commonly in warm, damp, anaerobic environments. However, its frequency, rate of formation, factors affecting its formation and physical characteristics are not well defined. To study the frequency, time course, and effects of temperature and clothing on adipocere formation, we submerged human adipose tissue samples in aquaria under controlled conditions and conducted serial observations. Adipocere formed with high frequency, within a few months, in tissues submerged in warm tap water; similar changes took longer, 12 to 18 months in cold water submersion. Presence of clothing over the tissue appeared to accelerate adipocere formation. PMID: 8426163 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE] Okay, there were a couple that I was able to access, at least abstracts, without pay per view. The first was only examined after two weeks. The second contradicts the prior links posted, “Adipocere has generally been considered to result from bacterial action, commonly in warm, damp, anaerobic environments.”:

http://www.astm.org/JOURNALS/FORENSIC/PAGES/JFS4630609.htm
Abstract
The accurate determination of postmortem interval (PMI) using the formation of adipocere presents a significant challenge to forensic scientists interested in determining the time of death. Several attempts have been made to determine the time since the occurrence of death. However, up to date, this has been difficult because previous approaches have been mainly qualitative, focusing on the later stages of degradation processes. This work presents preliminary results of an experimental model of postmortem adipocere formation using liquid chromatography. Three pig cadavers were submerged in distilled water, chlorinated water, and saline water. Fresh specimens resulting from the degradation in the subcutaneous fat were obtained from the pigs at two-week intervals for a period of ten weeks, and were subjected to chromatographic analysis. By correlating the ratio of the disappearance of hydrolyzed fatty acids with the formation of hydroxystearic and oxostearic acids after death, a simple, quantitative analytical method was developed for the determination of PMI. Experimental observation of the chemistry of adipocere formation indicated that adipocere can be formed only a few hours after an incidence of death and this continues until the saturation of oleic acid degradation after several weeks. Different time courses were obtained for cadavers immersed in distilled, chlorinated, and saline water, respectively. This work has not in any way solved the time since death problem. But it may be an approach to the problem that has not been adequately explored.

J Forensic Sci. 1993 Jan;38(1):91-3.
Experimental observations on adipocere formation.
Mellen PF, Lowry MA, Micozzi MS.
National Museum of Health and Medicine, Armed Forces Institute of Pathology, Washington, DC.
Adipocere, “grave wax,” is a waxy or greasy decomposition product formed by hydrolysis and hydrogenation of tissue fats. Once formed, it appears stable for extended periods. Adipocere has generally been considered to result from bacterial action, commonly in warm, damp, anaerobic environments. However, its frequency, rate of formation, factors affecting its formation and physical characteristics are not well defined. To study the frequency, time course, and effects of temperature and clothing on adipocere formation, we submerged human adipose tissue samples in aquaria under controlled conditions and conducted serial observations. Adipocere formed with high frequency, within a few months, in tissues submerged in warm tap water; similar changes took longer, 12 to 18 months in cold water submersion. Presence of clothing over the tissue appeared to accelerate adipocere formation.
PMID: 8426163 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]

]]> By: chica http://blinkoncrime.com/2009/10/27/caseycaylee-anthony-case-duct-tape-fathers-day-and-hopkins/comment-page-9/#comment-1511051 chica Thu, 05 Nov 2009 23:45:47 +0000 http://blinkoncrime.com/?p=2668#comment-1511051 thank you Ragdoll yes she knows we care for her. I will let her know what you relayed. I am in contact with her. she appreciates everyones prayers and support through this time of grief and loss. thank you Ragdoll yes she knows we care for her. I will let her know what you relayed. I am in contact with her. she appreciates everyones prayers and support through this time of grief and loss.

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