Morgan Harrington Case: Separating Fact From Fiction From Facebook Part II
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Charlottesville, VA– Just passing the month mark, the disappearance of Morgan Harrington from the John Paul Jones Area located on the UVA campus, leaves us with more questions than answers. Part II
The Faces of Her Facebook
Help Find Morgan Harrington was developed by a few concerned individuals interested in spreading the word about Morgan’s disappearance and boasts over 30,000 members. Not all posts are welcome.
In particular, a member by the name of Nelson Kane was recently banned for posting very detailed hypothesis scenarios that sparked a firestorm of interest in the self-appointed athlete scout. His posts were deleted at the request of Law Enforcement who admit tasking two officers with monitoring the web for such activity in Morgan’s case.
Additionally, Mr. Kane reached out to several individuals on facebook as well as the Harrington family’s findmorgan.com site in attempts to speak to the family directly and request an interview. The Harrington’s were made aware of the concern for such requests by sources close to the investigation.
He has recently changed his facebook drastically. 
Mr. Kane, a member of the family owning the longtime furniture store of the same name in Charlottesville is also a UVA alumni and season ticket holder. In addition to UVA, Kane also claims to have attended Virginia Tech on many of his many social networking profiles. He also fancies himself as somewhat of a Rock band critic.
On his site, nkscouting.com which he has maintained 
since 2001, Kane chronicles his trips to scout mostly High School basketball and football athletes. In an effort to make his site more interesting (his words) he details the travel experience, routes, times and in some cases photos of his visits to High Schools mostly within a few hours driving distance.
Very early on in Morgan’s case, blinkoncrime.com explored the idea that perhaps the double murder of VT freshmen David Metzler and Heidi Childs on August 27th should be investigated as a possible link to Morgan’s case simply because they attend the school and Morgan and Heidi bare a remarkable resemblance to one another.
As far as very odd coincidences go, the location of Nelson Kane’s scouting foray the evening of the August 28th could not be more relevant.
Kane scouted the game at Jefferson Forest High School. The very 
School Heidi Childs graduated from a year earlier. Unlike most of Kane’s other journal entries of his athlete accolades, there is no mention of his travel experience to or from Forest High School so it is unclear where he left from, when he got there, or when he returned home.
This is in no way an accusation that Mr. Kane had any involvement whatsoever in such a heinous crime, of course, but given his proclivities for leaving at all hours of the day and night his keen attention to travel detail and familiarity with the area: Perhaps he saw someone or something amiss in his trip that could help investigators.
On Saturday October 17th, Kane scouts a game, listens to the UVA football game on his way home and is home in plenty of time to make the concert.
Blink how do you know he was at the concert you ask? I do not. I do know he knows alot about security at the JPJ Arena, how to navigate the different lots near Uhall, and of course that there are blue portable lavatories next to Lanigan Field. His posts from the Charlottesville Daily Progress below:
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Just want you to note that I have been reading this thread and am interested in finding Morgan because 1. She is one of God’s children and needs to be found 2. I have 3 teenagers, 2 in college and can’t imagine the heartbreak of the family and friends 3.Someone who did something like this needs to be caught and will not get away with it in my locality.
Thanks for this site. I wish we had more info, but if it helps the perp get caught, that’s ok with me.
‘Thought some readers might like to see the front elevation of JPJ. There are some user photos also, which were taken in better light than the google camera happened to catch.
http://maps.google.com/maps?ie=UTF8&hl=en&view=map&cid=9116420952118865263&q=University+of+Virginia&ved=0CBUQpQY&ei=_GYRS7_ZIIjotgOvzIiRDQ&hq=University+of+Virginia&hnear=&ll=38.045715,-78.508227&spn=0,359.972534&z=16&layer=c&cbll=38.045759,-78.508327&panoid=11IW6vS7fR2CO-tS5U1-iA&cbp=12,50.14,,0,5
I honestly don’t believe that any of the friends are holding anything back at this point. It’s conceivable that early on, say the first few days or so, they had reasons for not telling the complete truth, but I think as time went on, and Morgan remained missing, they told LE everything they knew. It would have to be information from the friends that has kept them from processing her car. I refuse to believe that LE would be that negligent, so the only reason would be they know FOR SURE that the car was not involved in any way with her disappearance. That really makes me wonder if her car was even used to go to C-ville, otherwise, how can LE be CERTAIN there’s nothing there?
hello blink! remember me. i promise no caps here today. ive been reading but not posting. i am doing better since my last tiraid.(sp?) i was upset because of the amount of time that has gone by with no information and the hitchhiking comment.
heres my thought…does anyone think that Morgan could have been involved with a married man with some sort of influence in his community or circle he runs in and that is why we have not heard a name? maybe her friends are keeping mum on this because of his standing either at JMU, UVA or VT! they are worried about a possible backlash.
blink:
remember this is just a thought because i am at a loss! by the way, my thoughts also keep going back to the UVA bbplayers!!!
Ugh. That didn’t work. My enthusiasm out-weighs my skill today. Can anyone put up a photo?
Thx!
Can anyone help me clarify a few things in my own mind? Here’s my current sticking points —
1. I thought I remembered very early on that JPJ said that they had nothing to do with MH leaving the arena. Specifically that she was neither escorted out nor made to leave by security. Is that still true? Do we still believe that MH either accidentally (I doubt this) or purposely left the arena on her own?
2. I have read about her re-entry attempts but all references are vague. Has any JPJ personnel indicated that they spoke to MH and she tried to get back in? Wouldn’t she have indicated in her plea to get in exactly why she was outside? did MH attempt to buy another ticket? Did she approach people outside looking for a ticker? Or is only reference to re-entry from friends? Did she ask BB players if they knew a different way into the arena?
3. I know the purse, ID and cell phone were found. Was anything missing from the purse such as money or credit cards? Was a camera missing? Any personal things? I wondered if the place the purse was found was where it was actually dropped. Perhaps it was dropped somewhere. Picked up someone else who helped themselves to valuables such as money or camera and then dropped the purse in the place it was found. Especially if found as someone was headed to their car. Imagine heading to car, see purse, pick up, go through it while walking and drop as approach own car.
Lastly, the purse has puzzled me. I don’t believe MH goes anywhere, either hitching or with a friend, without noticing her purse is gone. Nor do I think a person who causes MH harm comes back with the purse. Why chance getting seen dropping purse if you have already left?
So I have considered this possibility — MH leaves with someone to get something to eat, get a drink or even just pick up beer. They then come back to the JPJ area to meet her friends so she can go home with them. As they wait, things go terribly wrong. She attempts to leave vehicle and is pulled or forced back. Purse is dropped. Vehicle with MH leaves the area — a 2nd time. Any thoughts?
Blink,
First I want to say Thank you for your website. It is wonderful and all the people on this site are kind and caring as you are. That is not always the case in the other sites. You are truly for the victim and they need a voice because people are disappearing at an alarming rate these days and it just seems that the media just moves on to the next one so many are forgotten. My heart aches for the Harrington’s and so many that have been waiting years with no word about their missing loved ones.
This case has so many missing pieces and LE has said so little it makes me think they are not purposely hiding information but that they cannot put together a real crime yet. No body, and not enough evidence. I know you believe they have a POI and part of me thinks so too but they cannot prove yet what has actually happened. I am a very forgiving person also and I think alot like Gil Harrington but when it comes to my kids I can be a cougar. I am not sure why the parents are so eager to say the friends are not at fault, maybe not at fault but I do not think they have not been honest and neither does the majority of the public. I still believe they know something that would help the case. Could it be the unidentified male with them is a minor? It just does not make sense that they would not name him. It makes no sense that the car has not been processed. This entire case makes no sense. I do not believe the hitchhiking and am surprised LE has put that out there. I do believe she was with someone she trusted or thought she could trust???
#529 Porter,
Thank you for relaying the information regarding the JVM video.
I can’t say it makes me feel better. To think after a month, there is still such misinformation being touted as fact, it is mind boggling.
It is almost as if LE does not believe a crime as been committed or at least they are still not sure what crime as been commited.
Morgan’s car has not been processed.
24/7 toll free call-center/ tip line not established
No new fact sheet released.
Everyone is still pondering the same initial clues in this case,was Morgan abducted from JPJ, did she wander off, who was with her? With no video, no pictures, no discernible facts, it makes no sense.
B: Please re-read:
“…the focus of these meetings—which were held with certain highly-placed members of the security consultant group that is currently contracted with UVA—was on improving the current security systems in place at the facility in which I work. [Note: I do not work at JPJ.]”
Taken from that statement:
The security firm is on contract with UVA.
The purpose of the meetings was to discuss current security systems in place at (and potential upgrades to) the facility where I work.
I do not work at JPJ.
You are correct, that was my bad, thanks for the clarification.
B
Response to #540.As a local, my own perspective is this; yes the non-sidewalk side(NW side)is dangerous in broad daylight(accident wise). The odds of simply being hit by a fast moving vehicle would be pretty good.
You would definitely be noticed by all the pedestrians on the North East side of the bridge, but you may not be well identified by a vehicle moving in either direction,you would be a quick surprise! Now you can cross over from the N.E. side(w/sidewalk)in a diagonal direction and walk right into the Sun Trust Bank parking lot. The parking lots of the businesses along Ivy Rd do not connect for vehicles but pedestrians can easily walk along the back way.
For starters I think Blink’s hypothesis that she left voluntarily with someone she thought she could trust is the most likely.
I’m just curious as to what line of work the Harringtons are in. Just the term “dr.” is very vague I’m wondering what he does exactly. I’m only curious because, a lot of people think there is no way Morgan could have ran off on her own, or wanted to leave that concert with anyone, all because she had such a great life and seemed like a generally happy person (whatever that really means). However, its quite common in the families of doctors, lawyers, successful business men, etc. to push and pressure their kids down a career path or lifestyle they don’t want. I’ve been there and lived through it, that much pressure put into a child to live a life they don’t want can cause any number of surprise outcomes.
I love this site, it often raises the same qustions that I am asking.
As a mother of a high school senior that loves music. If my daughter were at a concert with friends and she didn’t return, the last thing I would do is blame them or isolate myself from them. So many of us believe that her friends hold the key ( no pun intended) to what happened to Morgan that night. I know that as a mother Gil also knows that, I would be hanging on their every word. As the old saying goes keep your friends close and your enemies closer.
My first thought when I heard about this case was that she had eloped with someone she met at work or school, which would account for why she was so excited about this concert. However, I do not know her or any of these people and after reading what everyone who knows her,especially her parents, had to say, I do not believe that is what happened. I’m still holding out hope that she is alive and being held by someone. Maybe if LE would promise not to send them to jail,just to some kind of treatment facility, if she is returned alive they might consider it. I realize there is also a good chance that she is not alive. I don’t know why this case has my attention so much. I guess because I feel sorry for those poor parents and brother who are doing such an amazing job of carrying on and even reaching out to others. If whoever has her is listening, turn her in somewhere safe like a hospital or firehouse
DH asking the roommate to drive Morgan’s car to Roanoke on Sunday makes absolutely no sense (par for the course). For one, the roommate would have had to bring along a friend in a second car in order to make the return trip to Blacksburg. A 50-minute drive each way, but still it suggests they fully expected Morgan to be in Roanoke (instead of H or Blacksburg). Could this mean they both knew her destination upon leaving the arena was Roanoke (and not H or Blacksburg)?
If her conversation with the friends at 8:48 was “I’ll find another way home.” Think of the use of the word “home”…when I was in college, I can’t remember ever calling my apartment/dorm home….home was always my parents house.
Parents live in Roanoke- and if you check the mp flyer, it was considering the Harisonburg and Roanoke destinations. That told me they had no clue where she was going, or they thought they did and she did not end up there, imo.
B
I wonder if textee lives in Roanoke.
I thought I had read the Morgan was living about 45 minutes from her parents house. Is that true? However far it was, Mr. Harrington asked the friend to bring the car to him and I assume the friend would have had someone follow her to bring her back? I know she was planning on going to parents for tutoring but if the friends were still expecting her to come back, wouldn’t they have thought she would show up at HER home and quickly get her car for a “hurry up I’m late” trip to her parents rather than have “whoever” they thought she was with drop her off at her parents which would have tipped them off as to who she would have been with (if she was indeed meeting up with someone her parents did not know about or want her with). My point being, what were they planning on telling Morgan about her car if/when she showed up at her place to retrieve it?
The roommate was staying in Harrisonburg overnight (At least I think they drove back that night) parents in Roanoke, and MH and roommate living near Blacksburg. Roanoke is between the 2, so her roommate had to pass thru Roanoke on her way back to Blacksburg. It doesn’t make sense for her to hang out in Harrisonbutg (JMU) with MH’s car.
Fish – I had wondered the same thing about her possibly meeting a married man. That is the only scenerio I can imagine where someone waiting for her would not have come forward if she never arrived. Just a thought.
Blink, please see the reply I made to you this morning on HFMDH/Facebook regarding Jane Velez-Mitchell’s bombshell ‘breakthrough’ on 11.16.09 Issues w/JVM. Thanks.
Post 107/Mari: http://www.facebook.com/topic.php?uid=162224546575&topic=10424&post=46245#post46245
Hope this helps clear things up!
Follow up thought to Comment #566:
Blink, do you know whether any consideration been given to the possibility of MDH meeting a boyfriend or ex BF of one of her friends? That might be reason for her discretion and walking away from the arena to meet ‘him’.
I would say that is a consideration until it can be ruled out, yes.
B
#565 Kris Kringle — I remember reading that the father called the apartment in Blacksburg on Sunday looking for his daughter and the roommate answered and told him she had not heard from MH. After this the roommate drove MH’s car over to the parents’ house in Roanoke.
Is that correct? I was under the impression that the father called Amy Melvin, but that she and Sarah were in Harrisonburg, at Sarah’s pad, and she drove the car to Roanoke from there.
Are you saying the friends drove all the way to Blacksburg and then turned around and came back?
B
I would like to get back to the cell phone if I may. I’ve been watching football and just logged back in. Yes, we know what the friends say Morgan said to them, but LE knows what Morgan and the unknown textee were talking about. Heck, they even know who the unknown textee is! If he was, in fact, in Charlottesville that night (sorry I just can’t depend on family info at this point) then LE knows about it. That’s why I believe they must have a POI. I can’t imagine any other reason for her to leave the arena other than someone she was in communication with that night was directing her to the RV lot/bridge area for some reason. I have to admit I’m a little wary of the BB players but surely LE has verified their account. Right?
I believe LE knows exactly who is responsible for the disappearance of MH, but without a body or evidence of a crime they cannot hold him (or her) for more than a day or two. There is no body, no crime scene… possibly nothing that would hold in a court of law.
Even if LE has possession of an incriminating text message that says “I will pick you up in 5 minutes at the Copely Bridge — signed BG”, unless a witness comes forth that can say “Yes, I saw her getting in a car and that car is in fact BG’s car” then that text message is not enough (I don’t believe) to hold up in court.
Why they haven’t or won’t publicly name a POI (if indeed they have one), I haven’t a clue. Maybe they are waiting for that critical piece of evidence. For the sake of the Harrington’s I hope this happens quickly.
ugh..I’m punching holes in my own theory…if LE DOES know who is responsible for her disappearance then I guess they would have been able to get a warrant to search POI’s car….and that, we would have heard about (I think).
#570 – I’m not so sure, mosaic
I think (hope) the next thing that comes from them will be news of an arrest.
@ J2K (#545) http://www2.wsls.com/sls/news/state_regional/article/new_search_effort_for_morgan_harrington_begins/60473/ SS says she was one of 3 people in the car from JMU to UVA and one of 2 people on the way back. If guy attended, are we to assume he drove separately? Are you sure his ticket was scanned?
That is NOT what she says. Although admittedly I do feel that reporter is trying to intimate that. I will say no, I do not believe it is clear the male unsub attended the concert.
B
#569 and B, I thought that they left Hburg after the call from Mr H and drove towards Roanoke. They could have made a 45 minute detour to C-ville on the way, on Rte 33 to 29 or I81 to 64.. It makes the most sense to me, but then very little in this case does make sense. If my friend was missing, I most certainly would have looked on the way to her parent’s house. (Especially if I thought that I may have a clue as to where she might be.) Perhaps the friends did not think it was serious until they talked with him after returning the car, so didn’t look on the way to Roanoke, but I sure would have.
Exactly Mosaic, they can’t hold anyone without charges. This is probably what is happening. No evidence of a crime. You have to link the suspect to the victim with a criminal intent.
LE is keeping quiet. There’s a million reasons to keep quiet.
response to mosaic #572:
thus the deafening silence concerning POI. i believe…
one: it is one of the uva bbplayers
two: it is a married man with tremendous ties to his community. ??? thus, no search warrants, just yet.
three: is it an old boyfriend or even a current boyfriend of one of Morgan’s friends. they may not have even known about it at the time she goes missing…
four: it is truly a “bad guy” with the best(i mean sick)luck of his life. a beautiful young girl that has happened to have the worst luck of her life. a snowball that just kept rolling bigger and bigger.
with saying this, she is still missing and something has gone terribly wrong.
one more note, i believe that the harrisonburg, va route should be looked into. only for the fact, it is the closest city that could have been construed as “i’ll get a ride home”. “home” used as loose terminology between friends. next roanoke and then blacksburg. just a thought.
[I was under the impression that the father called Amy Melvin, but that she and Sarah were in Harrisonburg, at Sarah’s pad, and she drove the car to Roanoke from there. Are you saying the friends drove all the way to Blacksburg and then turned around and came back?
B]
Blink — I scanned through the threads at the findmorgan site to see if I could find where I read about the father calling the Blacksburg apt. Couldn’t find it (but there’s over 300 different threads). The reason I remember Blacksburg is because someone commented that the caller ID would have alerted the roommate that the Harringtons were calling and that the friend could have let the machine pick-up (since Morgan was not there to talk to her mom and dad).
But that’s like everything else we read about this disappearance — hard to know what is true and what is not true. So disregard my comment about DH calling Blacksburg, I have nothing concrete to base that on.
Fish,
I really do not think it is the BB players. They (he) would have been dismissed from the team. It may be someone on the periphery of the team, though, someone who feels a certain status because he “knows” the players. Someone who likes to park where they do. Just a thought…
#573 Kris Kringle — that makes a lot of sense. If they did in fact look for her in CV on Sunday morning before taking her car to Roanoke I’d be curious to know where they looked.
I am confused. Jane Valez comments were; “There’s a circle and we see her outside the concert.” I didn’t see any video of a girl outside the concert, only within. The supposed video of Dee is odd as her hair is identical to Morgan. Honestly, I’m not sure it’s not Morgan.
“I think it had been said that Morgan was outside the venue during the concert, so I don’t think it could have been Morgan, but when I first saw [the videos] my heart took a leap,” says Dan Harrington.
I’m thinking about his first instinct. It’s usually telling.
While a James Madison University student has come forward saying she’s the girl in the videos, police are still looking into the situation……Hmmnn
Also, I have ripped my tights before and taken them off feeling I looked better w/o them than w/ a big run/rip.
re: #574 Blink – I am respectfully quoting from the article whose link I have posted above regarding SS & passengers in the car to and from JMU
“12:05 p.m.
From Scott Leamon, in the field
WSLS Reporter
sleamon@wsls.com
I talked with two Roanoke area people who came up to help with the search.
Roanoke County Police Sergeant Jim Herrick told me he took the day off from work to come up to search. Herrick says his daughter is one of Morgan Harrington’s nine close friends from Northside High School.
I also spoke with current JMU student, Northside High School graduate, and close friend of Morgan Harrington, Sarah Snead. Snead told me she was one of the three people in Morgan’s car on the way to the Metallica concert, and one of the two people in the car on the way back from the concert to JMU. Snead talked about Morgan’s phone call from outside John Paul Jones Arena the night of the concert, as well as how Dan and Gil Harrington have been “pillars of support” for her since Morgan disappeared.”
You have other info I assume?
Well, yes, but if that info is correct, than again, we have different info. I am assuming the reporter got it right from Sarah. It also leads me to believe there is some dissention in the ranks. The male unsub is alegedly the BF of Sarah.
B
I don’t think it has been established where Amy Melvin was exactly when she took the call from Morgan’s Dad. Don’t know why that is, actually.
If she was in H-Burg was she contacted on her cell or a landline?
Amy should have been very worried and upset that Morgan did not make it to her parent’s, it’s a wonder she would be in any condition to drive the distance to take Morgan’s car or even go it alone, to Roanoke.
I was under the impression Amy was back at the shared apartment in Blacksburg when Dr. Harrington called, but maybe not. Her older sister Amanda Melvin seemed to talk publicly for some of the group in the beginning. I don’t know where she lives, but perhaps she accompanied Amy in taking the car to Roanoke. That would be a much shorter drive to accomplish, than having to go from H-Burg.
Although, if I recall, the Melvin sisters are from Roanoke, so perhaps Amy was back there with Morgan’s car when Dr. Harrington made the call shortly after noon on Sunday. As Morgan’s roommate, she must have known of Morgan’s intentions of going to her parent’s Sunday afternoon.
Come to think of it, shouldn’t Amy have been expecting a call from Morgan’s parents that Sunday.
Confusing.
I would think that LE would have every text message, email, tweet or any other form of communication(other than a direct phone call) that Morgan has sent or received for the past year.
If she had intended on meeting anyone at that concert, LE would know exactly who it was.
P.S.
With a direct phone call, they would still have record of all incoming and outgoing correspondence.
Re: processing MH’s vehicle: I am untroubled by the fact that MH’s car has not been processed. A first question might be: For what reason might LE process MH’s vehicle? What might LE have hoped to gain had a forensic review been conducted? Fingerprints? Trace evidence, e.g., hairs, fibers, etc.? If so, evidence of what? A crime?
In order to frame these questions appropriately, let’s revisit the prevailing school of thought:
· MH drove her vehicle from Blacksburg to Harrisonburg. Accompanying MH was her roommate from Blacksburg.
· Upon arriving in H’burg, MH gave her keys to another friend. This friend, along with MH, her roommate, and a male friend, drove the party to JPJ.
· MH exited the vehicle in the parking lot across from JPJ (that is, the UHall parking lot) and did not re-enter the vehicle at any point inasmuch as she did not have the keys.
· The keys were still in the possession of the friend who drove the vehicle. This friend remained inside of JPJ with the rest of the party until the finish of the concert, while MH remained outside after being refused re-entry.
· MH’s friends left JPJ some hours following the concert, and returned to H’burg in MH’s vehicle.
· At some point MH’s vehicle was driven from H’burg back to Roanoke/ Blacksburg, presumably by MH’s roommate.
At this point LE has no reason to believe that a crime occurred inside—or on–MH’s vehicle. Unless LE believes that:
a. MH’s friends were complicit in a crime that occurred in the vehicle—and they do not—or;
b. MH was somehow able to gain entry back into the vehicle while it was parked at UHall—and they do not; or
c. MH’s assailant accosted her in/on MH’s vehicle—and they do not;
there remains little need to process MH’s vehicle.
It is equally reasonable to assume that, regardless of whether or not a crime occurred in/on MH’s vehicle, a wide variety of fingerprints would be found in/on MH’s vehicle.
Unless LE has reason to believe that MH’s assailant was ever inside MH’s vehicle, and/or touched MH’s vehicle, the need to process the vehicle for fingerprints would be negligible, at best.
Looking at this through another lens for a moment, let us assume that there is some “evidence” in MH”s vehicle that might conceivably go to MH’s activities on the evening of October 17, 2009. Let us say that, upon processing, LE found traces of alcohol and/or illegal substances in MH’s vehicle.
Even if such “evidence” were found as a result of immediate processing around mid-day on October 18—-when Dr. Harrington first reported MH missing–it would be difficult to determine if such “evidence” was actually there (read: used) prior to the evening of October 17.
Even if it were to be definitively concluded that that the alcohol and/or illegal substances were used in the vehicle on October 17, these results would not assist LE in determining whether or not MH used said substances, and would bring LE no closer to identifying MH’s assailant.
All of the above said, I understand, acknowledge, and appreciate that there may be other considerations.
In sum, LE has no reason to believe that a forensic review and analysis of MH’s vehicle—-the vehicle in which she traveled to CV–would reveal any evidence that would lead to a conclusive determination regarding the circumstances surrounding MH’s disappearance. That is, LE believes that MH’s disappearance is in no way connected to her vehicle, making processing of said vehicle unnecessary to this investigation. I believe that the Harringtons are of the same mind.
On a related note, sue #576 said it best: “LE is keeping quiet. There’s a million reasons to keep quiet.”
On a final note: I remain VERY intrigued by what I now refer to as The (alleged) Boyd Tavern Incident. [This is, I believe, the first time I have used all caps. Emphasis intentional.]
Observer, with much deserved respect; you and I completely disagree on this issue.
LE would have had NO reason to know or confirm what happened in that vehicle that early on and it should have been secured none the less. Any other scenario is taking everyone at face value, and frankly, if we could do that, we could probably locate Morgan.
As an example of what I am saying, in your above post, you reference loosely who drove the vehicle. That is incorrect, but certainly what is being stated publicly.
The unsub male drove the vehicle both to and from JPJ from Harrisonburg; I make mention of this only to underscore my point that if verified info is hard to come by, one has to assume the potential of a crime scene relative to the vehicle has to be presumed as a possibility and therefore be preserved. I would have been more comfortable with an explanation that stated any evidentiary value of the vehicle was already compromised, and yes, someone checked the trunk.
In no way am I attempting to be glib, on this one I will have to respectfully agree to disagree.
B
So when the Harrington’s brought her dental records to LE a week or so ago—was that S.O.P.? Or does that only happen when you have something to use them with (like a body or a tooth or even a bite mark)?
Yes, actually it is. In order to be added to the NCIC database, her dental records are required. In theory, they could have been sent directly to the Lead Investigator, or the ME, wherever they were being processed to reside in the database physically. I actually just worked on a case where a possible decedents dentist refused to release the dental records without a warrant. Rare, but possible.
B
mosaic, I always figure that when the dad called the blacksburg apt., the friends might have answered the phone with “Morgan, thank goodness, where have you BEEN and how did you get to your parent’s house?”
Of course, most of the things we are left wondering about —- who all went to the concert, what really happened inside the arena, exactly what was said in the “i’m stuck outside” phone conversation, who and what was texted, what the friends did after the concert, what the friend did the next morn, where the battery cover was found (on or off phone), etc.— could all be cleared up so easily, in mere minutes in fact, in a single well written article or news release or presser, but for good or ill, we aren’t privy to that stuff, so we are stuck having to make up an entire spectrum of “knowns” when there’s just no need to. Aggravating.
I have been reading this website periodically (every few days) for updates. I have a hypothesis/theory that occurred to me while reading this particular article/post. I stopped at # 343, so forgive me if what I’m about to say has already been explored further down ( I stopped reading so I could write my thoughts before forgetting). So, here it is, and I hope it’s not “too out there”.
Blink commented that the “gentleman” riding with the friends to the concert is one and the same as the mysterious “textee”. (please correct me if i’m wrong). Well, it seems there is an obvious vagueness surrounding this person’s identity, as we’ve learned here. I read somewhere that this gentleman was the boyfriend of one of the girl’s riding with them to the show. Now, bear with me as this could seem somewhat melodramatic/catty…but…
What if Morgan and the other girl’s boyfriend were planning to “hook up” and were going to orchestrate this during the concert? Perhaps they were already involved on a more than friends level prior to the concert. Maybe the scratch on her chin is from a fight with her girlfriends ( slap and a fingernail cut her)? Maybe she was fighting and hence, emotional, and she broke away from them, angry/upset and b/c of this, cries and is seen crying. Perhaps the argument was between one girl and not all the friends. Perhaps the kiss on the cheek from one girlfriend was not a goodbye kiss, but a kiss of “moral support” as Morgan decides to go off by herself, maybe in an upset state?? (i am a female and i remember being 20…i know the circle of ‘tight’ girlfriends i spent the majority of high school and college with was not a perfect bunch – i mean, jealousy, cattiness, gossiping, superficiality, etc was rampant – maybe one girl was an ally, another girl your, and I cringe using this word, “frenemy”, but on the surface, everything seems “perfect” between everyone. I also know that girls that age are, as one person wrote, apt to do what’s easiest for them. That’s not to say the friend’s don’t care about each other’s well-being, though…But in some ways, I can see that their behavior and lack of concern regarding Morgan’s whereabouts during/after concert are somewhat typical of college aged girls. Not all, but some, I’m sure.)
So, to make a really long story short, morgan and the other girl’s boyfriend were betraying the friend. I’ve begun to lose my train of thought, so I’ll stop now.
Thanks for reading.
This is purely speculation and I mean no disrespect to anyone involved in this case. I cannot imagine what the friends/family are going through.
**please don’t post this part, if you choose to post** — I posted here a couple weeks ago under ‘moonsafari’ and I think my post was deleted. I just want to apologize for saying something that was not allowed or was disrespectful. If you could please let me know if i’ve overstepped here, i’d appreciate it. i truly care about the outcome of this case, more than any other crime story. perhaps b/c we grew up in the same town. this type of thing just doesn’t happen there – it happens everywhere else, but not southwestern virginia. my sister tutored morgan and spoke very highly of her. it would not be inaccurate to say that everyone in that town is separated by 6 degrees (like 6 degrees of kevin bacon, or something). well, i’ve figured out that you are an investigative reporter of some sort. you’ve got quite the web page. What does BG mean? *** thanks
moon#562, bg=bad guy
#572 mary too — I think you’re right. We probably would not hear if LE obtained a warrant to search someone’s car.
#582 suz — I hear you! We don’t have privy to many of the answers… bummer, I feel collectively we could all be a big help, but I respect LE’s discretion.
re: video of Morgan outside
So, just to add to the mystery of “outdoor video” is this clip from Geraldo with the Harringtons, 7 days after Morgan disappeared.
Dr. Harrington states:
“We have footage that she was around the Coliseum up until about 9:30.”
(I think he meant to say “the Arena”, but never the less.)
Yep.
Frustrating.
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Start at 2:40 in, his comment follows shortly.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J1TB-pOn1pc&feature=related
Observer:
(snipped)
“It is equally reasonable to assume that, regardless of whether or not a crime occurred in/on MH’s vehicle, a wide variety of fingerprints would be found in/on MH’s vehicle.”
Sorry, Observer, but if a crime occured in/on MH’s vehicle, fingerprints as well as as ANY OTHER forensic material – - inside, outside, and underneath – - are INSTRINSIC to the investigation.
Just the fact that this is a CRIMINAL investigation, that vehicle should have been processed. The fact that it has not, is questionable to say the least.
“INSTRINSIC”
sorry, typo,
“INTRINSIC”
“The male unsub is allegedly the BF of Sarah.
B”
Blink,
Wow. So if the male BF was driving, it would make sense that Sarah was in the front passenger seat beside him.
That would be put Morgan in the back, meaning the male driver would be able to see Morgan in the rear view mirror and possibly “exchanges” between the two occured.
I don’t know where I’m going here, but possibly some “flirting” was noticed by Sarah.
Ya’know, this is starting to go w-a-a-y back,
to some original antenna-raising impressions,
like the girlfriend who allegedly was the last to actually speak to Morgan
and unless that conversation was recorded, one only has the friend’s word as to the content. Allegedly, that girlfriend is Sarah Snead.
Could anyone familiar with a Tavern incident give me a heads up? I’ve been reading and yet cannot find a description of this event.TIA
re: Morgans car. This is from the findmorgan.com boards:
“I keep reading that it was Morgan’s car that was at the JPJ Arena, well here it is, directly from Dan Harrington’s mouth, her cas WAS NOT at the JPJ Arena.
http://tinyurl.com/yg3vco5
CNN Transcript
GRACE: Good question. Dr. Harrington, did she have a car?
D. HARRINGTON: Morgan`s car was not at the arena. Morgan drove to Harrisonburg where she and her friends drove in the friend`s car to Charlottesville. So Morgan`s car is.
GRACE: So she`s got a car, you know where it is, it was not involved.”
Ross, that was original info that has been updated. It was Morgan’s car, driven by male friend that was at JPJ.
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