Morgan Harrington Case: Separating Fact From Fiction From Facebook Part II
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Charlottesville, VA– Just passing the month mark, the disappearance of Morgan Harrington from the John Paul Jones Area located on the UVA campus, leaves us with more questions than answers. Part II
The Faces of Her Facebook
Help Find Morgan Harrington was developed by a few concerned individuals interested in spreading the word about Morgan’s disappearance and boasts over 30,000 members. Not all posts are welcome.
In particular, a member by the name of Nelson Kane was recently banned for posting very detailed hypothesis scenarios that sparked a firestorm of interest in the self-appointed athlete scout. His posts were deleted at the request of Law Enforcement who admit tasking two officers with monitoring the web for such activity in Morgan’s case.
Additionally, Mr. Kane reached out to several individuals on facebook as well as the Harrington family’s findmorgan.com site in attempts to speak to the family directly and request an interview. The Harrington’s were made aware of the concern for such requests by sources close to the investigation.
He has recently changed his facebook drastically. 
Mr. Kane, a member of the family owning the longtime furniture store of the same name in Charlottesville is also a UVA alumni and season ticket holder. In addition to UVA, Kane also claims to have attended Virginia Tech on many of his many social networking profiles. He also fancies himself as somewhat of a Rock band critic.
On his site, nkscouting.com which he has maintained 
since 2001, Kane chronicles his trips to scout mostly High School basketball and football athletes. In an effort to make his site more interesting (his words) he details the travel experience, routes, times and in some cases photos of his visits to High Schools mostly within a few hours driving distance.
Very early on in Morgan’s case, blinkoncrime.com explored the idea that perhaps the double murder of VT freshmen David Metzler and Heidi Childs on August 27th should be investigated as a possible link to Morgan’s case simply because they attend the school and Morgan and Heidi bare a remarkable resemblance to one another.
As far as very odd coincidences go, the location of Nelson Kane’s scouting foray the evening of the August 28th could not be more relevant.
Kane scouted the game at Jefferson Forest High School. The very 
School Heidi Childs graduated from a year earlier. Unlike most of Kane’s other journal entries of his athlete accolades, there is no mention of his travel experience to or from Forest High School so it is unclear where he left from, when he got there, or when he returned home.
This is in no way an accusation that Mr. Kane had any involvement whatsoever in such a heinous crime, of course, but given his proclivities for leaving at all hours of the day and night his keen attention to travel detail and familiarity with the area: Perhaps he saw someone or something amiss in his trip that could help investigators.
On Saturday October 17th, Kane scouts a game, listens to the UVA football game on his way home and is home in plenty of time to make the concert.
Blink how do you know he was at the concert you ask? I do not. I do know he knows alot about security at the JPJ Arena, how to navigate the different lots near Uhall, and of course that there are blue portable lavatories next to Lanigan Field. His posts from the Charlottesville Daily Progress below:
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Do we know for sure, though, that Tucker and Sene were the two bb players Morgan talked to? There is at least one player on the team with connections even bigger than UVa, has anyone gone down the roster? I don’t think Tucker and Sene would be protected they way most of you feel they would…it still may be just coincidence that they got in trouble for breaking team rules. If Morgan had known a bb player, or had a previous relationship with one, wouldn’t there have been photos somewhere? Why would the relationship have been hidden? I may be naive about this, I’ll be the first to admit, but I believe the connection with the bb players is more that they know where she wanted to go, possibly who she rode with, or who she called for the ride.
I know there have been cases at UVa where students and athletes have gotten off “scott free”, but it’s been the high-powered lawyers who have seen to this, not UVa. This is why I believe LE…UVa, City/County, VSP…would never succumb to any pressure to protect a student/athlete. Just the opposite. LE wants justice just like we do. If anything, like counselor4u and skyler have said many times, the Harringtons need to hire a big-time PI who will work with LE, and an even bigger lawyer to protect their baby girl who can’t speak for herself anymore. When I hear that the “friends” and bf have stopped talking and hired lawyers, my heart just sinks…
Local- your correct, it has not been confirmed that either Sene or Jamil were the players in contact with Morgan that evening. It is however, my personal belief that they were or Ms. Wood, UVA spokesperson would be on a bullhorn on the roof of UHall announcing it was not them.
Instead, a very vague statement was released to say that Tucker’s suspension is unrelated to Morgan’s disappearance, Sene’s suspension as well, but never says if either man actually spoke to Morgan and were interviewed by LE, citing it is an ongoing investigation.
So, unless it was them, there would be no “ongoing” concerns, correct?
B
Re: post 896-I could be wrong about this, but I believe Sene’s suspension is over and he has resumed playing. I say this because I am sure I read a sports article that he played in a game in Cancun. It’s certainly possible that Morgan knew the players, but would be more likely had they been VT players rather than UVa players. I’ve heard nothing that indicates she often partied in Charlottesville, or for that matter, that she didn’t. There’s actually been very little reported on her private life. Not necessarily bad. I don’t believe the public needs all of the details about her life prior to October 17th as long as friends and family have been upfront with LE so that they can follow wherever that information might lead.
notJMUfan, I have always had the feeling that there may have been an “issue” or “problem” than everyone is afraid to bring up. We’re all being so careful not to offend Morgan and the Harringtons, and everyone has a right to privacy when it comes to hard, sad, family matters. I also have a brother who’s life just spiraled way out of anyone’s control after he left for college…none of us saw it coming…it was like all of his wires got crossed and you add that to drugs and he’s now getting 3 square and living in a cell. For a long time.
One more thought.
Morgan was a smart girl. What if she dropped her purse purposely?
I thought of that, but the removal of the battery would not make sense then, imo.
B
http://www.vtnews.vt.edu/story.php?relyear=2009&itemno=806
http://www.vtnews.vt.edu/
there are two snippets on the vT website about Morgan. The last update on the first one was 11/13.
apparently there was a candlelighting event on 11/21, organized by a VT employee but i didnt search to see if there was a report about the turnout for that. http://www.vtnews.vt.edu/campus_notices/campusnotice.php?item=2707
jknyc
I was the one that posted on this thread that Morgan was said to have been studying in the back seat on the way to the concert. I should have posted a link with that. It is from FMDHFB site. One of Morgans friends had posted that very early on in the investigation during discussions about the friends thread.
Like I stated earliar I am beginning to loose track of details and they seem to change often anyway. But wasn’t that purse found in the RV parking lot?
If so were this spaces assigned and numbered? Who was parked near the location of the purse?
Localcvillegirl, I do believe that Sene and Jamil are the players involved. While there are some players on that team with some high brow pedigree, if they had interacted with Morgan that night and not come forward, they too would have been suspended.
It is either that the players know who Morgan was meeting or the buck stops with them.
I believe the latter. Also, there was not necessarily a previous established relationship between Morgan and one of the players, although there might have been. Countless reasons why it may have been a secret. Girlfriend maybe?
It’s possible that the meeting was random that night and Morgan went willingly with one of them.
I will believe they are being told to remain quiet because they know something about the perp when they speak publicly. If I were them, I would issue a statement expressing my sympathy to Morgan’s family and telling the public that I am doing everything possible to help LE bring her home.
Don’t forget, LE said ‘we leave it up to them if they want top speak publicly’. Remember?
With ya on this one. At least as far as confirming 2 of the 3 bball players she interacted with were Tucker and Sene.
B
Watchtower, mouse, questioner; I really hope they’re not just waiting for their POI to make another move. If they believe these misssing girls are related (along Rt. 29 from central Virginia to Lynchburg), I would sincerely hope they’ve got a bead on his forehead. I can see how they might be trying to build a flawless case…let’s hope they’ve got it under control because we all have babies out there.
My gut, though, tells me that the “friends” hold the key to Morgan’s disappearance.
Sorry Blink-
Just read your response: I have really had a hard time seeing the significance of the battery. Other then it just ran out of juice and she took it out to try and get more use (possibly put it in pocket). Who would waste the time to take out a battery when they could just throw the phone away.
If it was a known POI wouldn’t they want to get rid of the phone all together to elimate trace of any prior communication. Or if it was an unknown POI that didn’t want any tracking of the phone why would they leave the phone with the purse? Battery or no battery.
Hmmm…I wonder if anyone has ever asked the custodians and/or checked her path from her seat to the restroom? Of course, I’m picturing one of those “hearing-aid” type batteries in this scenario but is it not feasible that when she stumbled and/or fell, her phone fell, the battery popped out, and skidded into a spot not easily found? Being embarrassed over the stumble/fall and even perhaps a bit stunned, Morgan may have either not noticed the battery or been so eager to assure others that everything was okay that she scooped up the pieces and went on her way without noticing and/or caring that the battery was gone.
As one who has had clumsy stumbles in public myself (albeit not from substance but just lack of natural coordination), I know that you get up and exit as fast as you can from sheer embarrassment not even caring if everything is scooped up from the fall. At that point in time all you want is that proverbial hole to swallow you up!
I remember around the time LE released the police timeline, a couple of times it was stated that the trail went cold at the bridge. Did they mean the witness sighting trail or the search dogs trail? I’ve always wondered about this. I would like to hear more about what the dogs found. Were they (the dogs) able to track her from right outside the arena to the Copely Bridge? Did witness sightings match with what the dogs picked up? Were the dogs able to track her on both sides of the bridge? Did her trail end on the sidewalk on the bridge or across the bridge where there isn’t a sidewalk? Or did it end a few steps out into the road? Did the witness sightings and dog’s findings match? I’m not talking about other reported sightings in the area. Just the ones in the timeline. It may be time to rely more on what the dogs smelled than what the witnesses saw, as these sightings are reported as someone matching Morgan’s description. Can somebody tell me if there are more reports about the dogs used in this search and what they found? Another thought…Did the dogs pick up anything from the place where Morgan’s car was parked to the arena or elsewhere?
I’ve also wondered if Morgan is one of those who text/talk on their phones to the point of “ignoring” those around her. What I’m thinking here is about the comment from the friends regarding not doing it if they’d known the outcome.
Perhaps in the frustration of trying to get a friend into the “moment” (i.e. not staying on the phone), one of the group removed her battery as a joke. This could even possibly explain why Morgan called her parents from the first leg of the trip but not the second.
I daresay that IF this happened, the friends most likely did tell the police which is why they have not been very interested in the battery or lack thereof.
RE: Continued conjecture suggesting a cover-up or intentional misrepresentation on behalf of UVA, UVAPD, VSP, the UVA BB players, et. al.: localcvillegirl said it best in her #900 post:
“I believe LE…UVa, City/County, VSP…would never succumb to any pressure to protect a student/athlete. Just the opposite. LE wants justice just like we do.”
I cannot stress enough that localcvillegirl’s perspective is accurate; that is, LE wants nothing more than to bring this case to resolution. I remind readers once again that there are currently members of LE investigating the MH case who are parents themselves. As such, they identify closely and personally with MH’s parents. They ask themselves daily “What if this were my child?….”
Outside of Gil and Dan Harrington, no one is more frustrated with the current status of this case than the very investigators who are responsible for its management.
To put a finer point on it, I pose the following (rhetorical) question: Do any of the respondents here feel that they have a greater investment in solving the mystery of the MH disappearance than LE and MH’s own parents?
My intent is not to appear strident. Rather, it is to bring to light again that, while frustration is keenly felt, it is not limited to the public. Outside of the Harringtons themselves, this sentiment is felt most acutely by LE as they live and breathe this case, day in and day out.
There are numerous and varied assumptions made by members of the public regarding how the MH case should/should not be and/or is/is not being managed. I gently urge readers to be judicious in making assumptions, unless or until they have first-hand knowledge and experience with this specific case.
RE: UVA: UVA is indeed a large, prestigious, and well-funded institution. To suggest, however, that the importance of their public reputation would take precedence over seeing justice done in the MH case is to call into question the very integrity of the institution. I respectfully challenge that assertion–and not simply because I am a member of that institution.
RE: the suggestion that MH’s parents engage the services of a PI or legal counsel: I caution readers from assuming that MH’s parents have not given due consideration and weighed all options available to them in the hopes of finding their daughter. As Gil herself stated, parents will stop at nothing to bring their lost child home.
I underscore both Local and Observers posts. I personally DO NOT believe UVA would willfully cover up an incident, or protect an athlete who may or may not have been involved. Specifically, if for any reason there ends up being a correlation to Tucker, there is no doubt in my mind he was given a “Take a leave of absence or be cut stance.” That said I do believe Sene and Tucker, and one other individual who is also a basketball player, interacted with Morgan that evening. I do not expect UVA to confirm that anytime soon.
That would not have happened if the intent was to cover it up.
What I would like to address though, is your comments regarding “If there is anyone on here who thinks they have a bigger vested interest in finding Morgan over LE or The Harringtons, please stand up..” (my words)
Observer, I do not think anyone on here is suggesting that. I also appreciate the position that Investigators are frustrated at the pace, and maybe even lack of progress in Morgan’s case. I would offer that having the benefit of hindsite in other cases, I can tell you with certainty the issue, in a general way, is that posters on here and elsewhere K N O W when something is off in an active investigation of a missing girl going on 7 weeks.
I know there is a chance you will disagree with me here, but when public help or volunteers are requested, their IS a reciprocal duty to update them with current and accurate information in an effort to progress leads. That is not happening. I saw a statement yesterday from Ms. Geller stating they still dont have a suspect. Either say something or say nothing at all, this dribs and drabs of “nothing” paints the portrait that Ms. Geller does not have a command over her role in preserving the public persona of her department and that is every much a part of her job if anyone is not clear on that.
I do admit though, that it is well known in LE “speak” the last person to be told anything critical to an ongoing investigation is the PIO. The investigators choose what information will be given based on the status of their investigation and they do this strategically because they do not want the PIO in the position of accidentally, through word, deed, or expression, giving anything away that might compromise them.
Whether I believe that they have no suspects or not is immaterial. If it is stated as such, than the public is expected to perceive it as fact, and then from a strategy perspective, not everything that could be done to facilitate movement to finding answers as well as Morgan is not, and in my world, that is not ok.
From a very basic perspective, if I take the “no suspects” at face value, then I believe the students and parents at UVA at a minimum deserve a specific update as a safety precaution- IS there a predator on the campus or could there be?
I respect and support your unfaltering support of LE, but respectfully, more than that, I respect the utter indignity of this young women being “out there” at what i believe to be the hands of another and I have to stand for Morgan first. I have also worked directly with investigators on similar cases and I can tell you they have adapted to the concept that utilization of the media is a very strong component in a case like this if handled correctly.
Isn’t it ok to say there are different approaches available here and we think they should be given consideration if our end goal is the same?
B
sure hope they are checking out Joel Wooldridge’s whereabouts and getting a bit of DNA while they have him. . .seems he made the rounds to VA collges in and around Lynchburg and Blacksburg. . . he was arrested somewhere around 10/23/09. . .has anyone disappeared since then?
Sorry…I forgot to add that I’m sure LE is taking all this into consideration in their investigation and may not release that information. I am just curious. I know someone stated that Morgan got out of the car and walked ahead (I can’t remember where I read that, so that could be wrong info) while the others went to park. If the dogs could track her to or from the car, then shouldn’t the car be thoroughly searched (and I mean thoroughly)? We assume that she rode in her car to the concert from what the friends have said.
Thanks blink for keeping us informed. I feel like you bring forth a lot of thoughts that we might otherwise overlook. A lot of times you or one of the others bring up something I’ve forgotten about and I’ll thing “Oh yeah, I remember reading or seeing that.” Keep up the great job!
Hi Blink,
I know that someone had previoulsy brought up this information about Tarheelplaya06, who supposedly was a friend of Morgan’s friends. He was trying to get information from the friends to have a forensic astrology chart read to help find Morgan.
One of the girls had given him a list of questions, which he answered to the best of his ability. He apparently was going thru friends of the friends.
What makes him credible to me is that he first said that they were NOT in Morgan’s car. But, he came back and said that he was incorrect — they were in Morgan’s car. It sounded to me that he was actually communicating with these people, and I believe he is legit.
Which brings me to some of his answers:
#5′s answer: she had already contacted someone in Charlottesville or met up with someone
# 7′s answer: COULD NOT TELL BECAUSE IT WAS “CONFIDENTIAL INFO FOR THE POLICE ONLY”
#10′s answer: (partial) they feel that the group DID KNOW WHO SHE WAS SUPPOSED TO BE WITH
These stand out to me, as it makes me believe that Morgan was supposed to be meeting up with someone, and the friends KNOW who she was supposed to be meeting (or had already met up with). Also, when they answer that they cannot say, because it is confidential information for the police. To me, that means “YES”, as otherwise, they would just say NO.
Now, maybe she was supposed to meet up with someone, but he never showed, or he got there too late? And then, she ran into trouble. I don’t know, but I’m sure LE would be covering this.
I have attached the actual post, with all questions and answers. The answers that are in caps were done by me for emphasis, not by tarheelplaya06. Just thought it was interesting.
tarheelplaya06
Registered User Join Date: Nov 2009
Posts: 23
Quote:
Originally Posted by FifthEssence
Hello again TARHEELPLAYA….have assembled a few questions in an orderly fashion as you requested.
1. Please confirm, was Morgan’s car the auto the group drove in
to the arena ?
a. yes
b. no
ANSWER: (a)
2. If yes, why did she not take possession of her keys upon arrival?
a. wasn’t a big deal, not an issue
b. she suggested she may be staying in Charlottesville
and was OK letting friends take the car back home
ANSWER: (a)
3. Do the girlfriends know WHY she left their group prior to Metallica
and what TIME was it?
a. bathroom break
b. feeling ill
c. smoke a cigarette
d. was going to look for a friend she thought might be at the concert?
e. girls were not aware she had walked away from group
ANSWER: (c)
4. Law Enforcement reported one of the girls initiated
a call to Morgan @8:48pm.
Was this a conversation or texting back and forth?
ANSWER: convo
5. What was the tone & nature of that 8:48 communication?
a. upset she could not get back in
b. wasn’t a big deal she couldn’t get in
c. was? or was not? interested in getting the car keys
d. she had already contacted someone in Charlottesville or met up
with someone
e. she was or had been hassled by some strange guy(s)
ANSWER: (D) but could also be (a)
6. Did she mention she had an injury to her face, chin?
a. if yes, did she say when-(time) and how it happen?
b. no, she never mentioned an injury, that she fell or slipped?
c. she fell, tripped, slipped? while with the girlfriends?
ANSWER: (b)
7. Did she mention a male person she was hoping or planning to run into
at the concert? (discuss w/ girl pals days before, or on the drive down?)
ANSWER: COULD NOT TELL BECAUSE IT WAS “CONFIDENTIAL INFO FOR THE POLICE ONLY”
8. Were there plans for the group of friends to party in Charlottesville after
the concert or was the original plan, everyone would go back home?
ANSWER: plans were to go back to JMU where the gf and bf lived but plans were altered
9. VERY important, Did the girls ever communicate with her again
after the 8:48pm call?
Could the girls please provide us with the TIME of their earliest call to her
when they didn’t get a response following the 8:48pm communication?
ANSWER: Did not call before battery taken out, but not a specific time when the next call took place
10. Were any of the girl pals aware of some new male interest, perhaps
someone she never met in person but had been communicating
w/on Facebook?
ANSWER: They do not know if the friends knew who she was with, but they feel that the group DID KNOW WHO SHE WAS SUPPOSED TO BE WITH, since they would not leave her alone. but again, the girls would not admit if they didn’t because they would be ashamed.
these are only the ones i could find out bc the ones i couldnt were too personal to ask.
and guys i dont think i can get much more info out of the friends, they kind of want to be left alone so hopefully this helps, but tarheelplaya06 is going to be signing out on info giving out because i dont want it to seem like im invesigating them since they already have enough of that going on. hope you respect that.
i appreciate all of your help and maybe we can now give them an update astrology since i told them you guys would.
I do know who this is, and yes, he is legit to an extent. But again, I read those posts and it is clear this is at a minimum 3 0r 4 times removed. He was doing the friend of a friend thing and not speaking to them directly. That said, They were supposed to return to JMU but those plans were altered? Then where did they go?
B
Blink, sorry this is a late response and I guess we know the answer to the mystery now, but yes, she was on it in the beginning.
#878 and Blink
Is it know for a fact that Morgan was injured at the concert, or is that info like the broken purse strap. Meaning information that has not been proven for a fact. It is getting so hard trying to keep straight what info is proven and what is not.
Ok, I hesitated saying this earlier, but it keeps running aroung in my head, so here goes. I do not mean to upset or offend Morgan’s family, or any commenters either. Several weeks ago I was looking at pics of Morgan on the findmorgan website, I believe it was. In many of the pics with “the nine”, she looks totally out of place, like “who doesn’t fit in this group?”. She is so much paler and thinner than the rest, lots of times off to the side or in the back of the shot, and in one she has her coat on like she either just got there or is ready to leave. She looks like she has lost weight recently, and I do wonder if there might have been some underlying problem which caused a disconnect with the friends. Maybe I’m grasping at straws, but it just seemed weird to me.
G
I don’t think your being malicious in any way, I happen to agree with you. I would be very interested in the dateline of the pics.
B
I should have put confirmed in my previous post instead of proven. Sorry
Blink, do you think it is possible that maybe the BB players had a mutual “friend” of Morgan`s and contacted them for her, assuming she was unable to? Also, hitching a ride is a loose term among young people and not to be interpreted literally in my opinion, it may be what she had said but i dont think for a minute it can be interpreted as hitching a ride with a stranger…..
re: #908
sweetpea,
if the BG had removed the battery then the movement of the cell phone [and perhaps the person(s)] could be tracked by pings off of cell phone towers in the area. removing the battery prevents this from happening.
i think that getting rid of the phone entirely wouldn’t prevent LE from obtaining all pertinent info. from it. I think the cell phone company has a record of calls made, numbers dialed, when, length of call, etc. I assume they might also have record of any text messages sent or received? with this in mind, destroying or ditching the phone is pointless bc the info. can be obtained elsewhere. at the same time, the phone could have finger prints on it. but if the BG(s) is/are friends of MH then perhaps it wouldn’t be odd to find their finger prints on her phone?
if the BG(s) simply ditched the phone without removing the battery then it would have continued to ping until it was located. It might not have led to MH or the BG but it would help fill in details…where they travelled, when it was ditched, etc.
i think the interest in the battery is in who removed it, when it was removed, and why. was this done with malicious intent, benevolent intent, or accidentally?
Keep in mind the battery cover was also recovered, obviously I am of the opinion it was recovered on the phone, but not clarified by LE because in my mind, that was not supposed to get out. In early interviews Dr. Harrington states her purse and other belongings were found, no mention of the phone.
B
sweetpea (re: #906) I think you make a good point about the phone – why bother to purposely take out the battery but leave the part that holds all of the info regarding her communications? (that is, if you’re a person involved in her disappearance whom she had prior contact with) Although, if that was the case, our “clever” perp may have also removed the sim card if in fact her phone had one.
When I consider the scant crumbs of nonsensical info the public knows about that night, I keep in mind that various witnesses noted on and off the record (including to B) that MH was visibly intoxicated. Hell, a lot of people there may have been. That’s why, in regard to the purse, it’s impossible to know if she was impaired enough that she didn’t feel the strap break and bag fall from her back as she made her way toward the road. (Anyone know if it’s an embankment from the RV lot to Copeley?) If she had smacked her face into the cement hard enough to draw blood, and it was a misty 40-friggin’ degrees outside, she probably was sore and shivering on top of being wasted.
It’s also possible – as cvillegirl and I have speculated – that she dropped her bag or otherwise parted ways with it elsewhere in the lot and a BS* picked up trolling for cash or anything else of value before tossing it in the RV lot as he/she walked away from the UHall/arena scene.
Oh, and one more thing about the battery:
If the purse was found Sunday morning, perhaps in a disarray, and someone picked it up to turn it in, they may have failed to scoop up the battery with the rest of her belongings, and by the time LE opened an investigation, it was nowhere to be found. Remember: the purse and phone were handled by people in between the time MH last had it and LE received it as evidence, and before anyone knew of its significance
(* BS = Bad Samaritan … what? too much?)
localcvillegirl (re: #907) Sorry to hear about your brother’s incarceration – that can’t be easy on a family.
I regard to your comment about MH falling victim to a serial killer, I just don’t buy it. That would mean a large population of young women walking around alone at night are at risk, and if LE had any reason to suspect a random predator, it would be in the public’s interest that they were alerted to this. Spokespeeps stop short of stating an actual crime even occurred in this instance. (Granted, there’s no known crime scene or body discovered yet, so that could change.)
As far as the basketball players, I seriously don’t think they’re directly involved. I mean, what are the odds that right when they roll out of practice, MH sees them and knows one of them or – further – had a previous relationship with one of them? There’s a chance, but it’s about 1 in a million, tops. No, I’m under the impression her phone was running out of juice, which is why she may have “approached” the basketballers and why she’s off the grid at cell-wise at 9:30. That may also be why LE asked the public if anyone lent MH their phone in the course of the evening: because the BB said she asked to use one of theirs. If she did, do they know who she called? I’m also curious why the conversation with the ballers did not yield her destination that night… or did it, and LE’s keeping it under wraps for a strategic reason? Who knows. What I do know is that it makes perfect sense not to name these guys. They came forward as witnesses voluntarily, and certainly don’t want their (possibly NBA-headed) names associated with a missing-woman case.
J2K, how do you know that they came forward, because I am told that they did not.
Also, why do you think one in a million chance that Morgan had a previous relationship with one of them?
Don’t you think that maybe Morgan left willingly with one of them even if she had never met them before?
Assuming that they are quiet at the direction of LE, what do you make of the statement by VSP that ‘they can speak to the public if they choose’? (paraphrasing)
They definitely did not come forward, they were ID’d by a witness and then through UVA athletic dept.
B
another thing i thought of in regards to sweetpea’s post 909 (and my response #912)…
ok, so say that the BG(s) knew morgan. and lets also suppose that they have either knowledge or background in LE because that has been put forth as part of their profile (perhaps because one of their parents is in LE or perhaps because crime shows are pervasive on tv now) maybe they followed my reasoning for removing the battery from the phone to prevent tracking it…but knowing that the actual info. on calls and texts could be obtained from the phone company, they decided to leave the phone in the purse. maybe they through this made it look like morgan took out the battery…maybe they didn’t care.
i just cant imagine that they would have thought it out that much.
J2K,
they don’t know who she called because she didn’t call anyone.
She did not ‘ask to borrow their phone’. That is their story. In my opinion.
If she asked to borrow their phone, did they lend her one? Who did she call? If they lent her one, why the need for her to ask someone else the same thing?
Please don’t tell me they did not have their cell phones with them.
http://blogs.roanoke.com/rtblogs/botetourtview/2009/10/20/morgan-harrington-a-genuinely-good-person/
This is the first thing I’ve heard about Morgan switching high schools. The article says she left Northside High to attend Lord Botetourt High “late in her high school career”
Anyone know why she would switch high schools?
In response to Skyler’s comment (890)…
I used the link provided in Skyler’s comment and searched for rapes that occurred– or were at least reported to police– from Nov. 2008 to today. I was shocked at how many there were. Am I completely naive or is the fact that 11 rapes occurred in Charlotte– along the SW and NW side only– in a one year time span seem insane?
I’d like to point out that rapes that occurred on 11-16-08 and 11-19-09 happened in very close proximity to each other based on the map. Additionally, there is a cluster of 3 rapes from this year (7-17, 10-17 and 11-28) in very close proximity to each other. WTH is going on?
Perhaps rape isn’t as uncommon as I’d like to think it is. And this may be a totally unwelcome thought since it seems to against the current theory, but could there be a serial rapist in Charlottesville? Can anyone find out which of those rapes identified a criminal and prosecuted him? I’m interested in knowing what similarities– if any– exist amongst them.
The reason I bring this up is because of the number of rapes and their location along the west side of the UVA campus. I simply thought of the Chandra Levy case. LE was so focused on the congressman that they overlooked the fact that someone else attacked two women and attempted to rape them immediately prior to Chandra’s disappearance. Could this be the case here? Following this line of thought, did Morgan unexpectedly put up one hell of a fight?
In reference to my previous post (921)… I meant the NE and SE sides… anytime I said west in the post, I actually meant to say east. d’oh! sorry for the confusion
#859 Comment by fish — December 1, 2009 @ 9:12 pm
Regarding the ticket stub, I asked on another thread whether or not any locals know what JPJ’s policy regarding leaving your seat and then returning.
I went to a concert with friends… left for the restroom with friend… returned to the section of our seats and was stopped by security… asked to show ticket stubs because they were having a problem with people trying to move to better seats. Luckily we had our stubs…
Is this also JPJ policy, to check for stubs, even after you are inside? If so, maybe after the fall, Morgan lost her ticket stub and wasn’t allowed back to her seat.
What if her battery was dead and she needed a number from her phone, so she approached the bball players to see if any of their batteries would work in her phone. Suppose one of them does. She takes her battery out, puts it in her pocket and tries to use theirs, but it doesn’t fit. She gives it back and doesn’t put her battery in for whatever reason. Could be why police are asking if she asked to borrow anyones phone that night.
Another thought…what if someone she approached said they had a charger in their car that she could use. Maybe they offered her to get in and get warm while the phone charged and she could make her call. Then they disable her, grab her stuff and throw it out the window and take off..maybe in a struggle the strap breaks.
@ J2k #913
“As far as the basketball players, I seriously don’t think they’re directly involved. I mean, what are the odds that right when they roll out of practice, MH sees them and knows one of them or – further – had a previous relationship with one of them? There’s a chance, but it’s about 1 in a million,tops.”
You have offered some very good insight, in which, I think, you’re mostly on target. On this particular statement…..I’m not so sure.
Whether or not Morgan was on a mission to leave the arena to meet up with someone or she happened upon the BB players and asked them about the person in question, has, to me, an equal chance as her unexpectedly running into a BG.
What IF the guy with whom she was interested was known to the other BB players and whose own family may not have approved of Morgan? Perhaps, he even already had a girlfriend. And, throw in some possible family power. What IF the BB players feel intimidated about sharing any info regarding the other guy, for a variety of reasons. What if some of Morgan’s girlfriends knew/know about this guy. What if this would cause a huge scandal and other unforeseen problems if this became public…..Just a scenario of ‘what if’s’ and certainly no facts!
Blink and Georgie
I have also noticed a “disconnect” in some of the photos, as well as the very obvious and drastic change in Morgan’s appearance and expression at some point in time.
Pure speculation on my part, but this indicated to me a possible time of stress or at the least a change in her life, possibly as a result of a relationship with a male. Or a relationship with a male helped her get through a particular stressful time.
Sorry to offend anyone, but I go back again to Gil Harrington’s words,
“Morgan, are you a skeleton now, too?” Again, makes me wonder if there was a male involved in the drastic change in Morgan’s appearance at some point (either the cause of or help in reversal of), that the Harringtons, as Morgan’s parents, were most aware of, and that Gil Harrington was directly speaking to this individual in her public address and plea.
I still believe those were carefully chosen words, not coming from a woman in the medical profession, but specific to the mother of Morgan.
i have given the friends the benefit of the doubt,but if my friend left for the bathroom and didnt come back, 30 mins is about the time i’d start calling (lines,crowds),so we dont have a official statement as to what was said,but it is said to have to gone like this: ss: morgan, where are you? morgan: i am outside and they wont let me back in. ss: (supposedly we have) : well try another door, morgan : i’ll just get a ride home. this is an incomplete conversation ,i do not believe that was all of the conversation, no way.the conversation would go (taking what you have as givens) morgan:i am outside and they wont let me back in ss:what are you doing outside?,why wont they let you back in?,well try another door(supposedly),can you still buy another ticket?,i have 20.well find out and call me right back. morgan:i’ll just find a ride home.ss:with who? we have your keys,listen where are you right now?ok look try another door,and if that doesnt work,lets pool our money and get a new ticket.morgan:i’ll just see if there’s anyone heading to jmu and meet you back at amy’s.ss:your not going find anyone going to jmu,look go back to the main door we’re coming out,were coming right now,meet us at the door.in my most selfish moment,at the door, i’d say let me just watch the opening song from the closest doorway and then we’ll go,and this would be after, i myself, tried to talk the doorman into letting her back in.and then once we left with her i’d at least encourage to stick around outside as a group and rock out for a few minutes to metallica ,to try let my friend, who arranged the tickets and transportation, leave a bad night on a good note.
Oops…I think it’s post #923 by J2K..Sorry.
Yes, Blink,
I would also like to know how/why the “plans” were altered and where did they go?
If initial plans were to go back to JMU, and Morgan was also part of these plans, then, that’s where she would have gone, no? So, they can’t get in touch with her, have no idea where she is, and they ALTER their plans and go someplace else?
Or, they already knew that she was not part of the “after” plans, and were to meet in the morning?
Also, I’m thinking more and more that her purse was NOT in that lot that night. I’m starting to think someone put it there in the early morning. It might also be interesting to know WHO turned the purse in, claiming that they found it in the parking lot.
Not saying I believe this but is it not possible that Morgan went out of the arena to meet up with a basketball player she knew at the time he told her practice was going to be over?
Just saying… possible.
#930 Momof3 I’ve been to JPJ for concerts and YES you must have your ticket stub in order to return to your seat if you leave for drinks, bathroom, etc.
sue (re: #924/926)
“why do you think one in a million chance that Morgan had a previous relationship with one of them?”
Maybe “a million” is an overstatement on my part, but how about 1 in 12,000? That’s roughly about half of UVA’s student population. Assuming it divides evenly between men and women, she had as much likelihood of running into a male student she used to date as she had of running into any guy on campus that night. You could very well be on-track, I’m just saying it’s more unlikely that the chance timing played out that way than it is actually likely.
“Don’t you think that maybe Morgan left willingly with one of them even if she had never met them before?”
I don’t think that, but it doesn’t mean I’m right. LE would be purposely misleading us if that was the case. It’s repeatedly stated the BBs left her there, alone, and if she was never seen again from that point, they should lawyer up; but she’s placed on the bridge after that, and I’m gonna venture to guess they have more witnesses to her being there than just the basketball players.
Of course, one of them could have left the lot, seen her walking along Copeley, and pulled over to offer her a ride – now that’s in the realm of possibilities, I suppose.
“They definitely did not come forward, they were ID’d by a witness and then through UVA athletic dept.
B”
Mea culpa on that one, ladies. I’ve read in a number of places that they didn’t come forward right off the bat, but when they did it was voluntarily – but that must have been on comment boards.
“J2K,
they don’t know who she called because she didn’t call anyone.
She did not ‘ask to borrow their phone’. That is their story. In my opinion.”
I certainly respect your opinion, sue, but you’re stating unknowns as facts (unless you know something the public is not privy to) … and using your “facts” to refute my speculation (or, at least that’s how it reads). I’m not even sure how to respond to that.
Also: “Please don’t tell me they did not have their cell phones with them.”
They were leaving basketball practice. I would think it probable they had cell phones with them, but not a given.
Counselor4u (re: #932) You think the BB players maybe knew who MH said she was meeting that night and are protecting this person at the risk of making themselves look suspicious? (in that they are, so far, the last people known to interact with her) A possibility, but again, not likely. She didn’t even go to school there. What are the odds they have a friend in common? They’re about as strong as the odds she perviously dated one of them. (Which, with the help of sue, I have lowered to a mere 1 in 12,000, so take that as you will.)
As I seem to have kicked up a small dust storm in writing off the culpability of the BB players, let me just say for the record that (A) we don’t know what was said between LE and these players; (B) as the last people known to have interacted with MH, if they or one of them is the perp/in some way responsible for her disappearance, then either LE is taking their damn sweet time in continuing to question and build a case against him/them or LE is completely inept. As far as the public knows, none of their cars were searched, nor their housing, and it does not appear they’ve gone back in for questioning (though, they may very well have and it’s under wraps).
Their association with MH is too obvious for this case to be dragging out this way if there was was any true significance to it (besides details of their interaction and accounts of MH’s state at the time). Plus, dudes were heading out of practice, not partying. I’m sure they were looking forward to showers, not getting it on with a drunk, bleeding Metallica fan.
That is confirmed M.
B
First time poster, but a reader for sometime. There is so much about this case that I think is known by LE but not being released. I keep coming back to the fact that, as a mother of a girl that age, they don’t split up and they have each other’s backs. They don’t go to the restroom by themselves, they don’t go out for a smoke break alone. They wouldn’t continue to sit at a concert knowing their friend was outside unless they were sure she had a ride and then they’d want to know who with. They’d text during the concert and they’d call when they get out of the concert. If they couldn’t reach her, they’d keep trying, or one of them would call me to see if she gotten home. These girls don’t assume squat and they are in constant communication. So the, ‘ok she’s getting a ride with “someone” and we don’t have to worry about her’ theory just doesn’t pass the sniff test. So, they must have known or believed she was safely on her way home with someone they knew and felt comfortable with. The Natalie Holloway “run off with strangers” scenario is too fresh in folks minds and I can’t see them letting her go with just anyone. And I can’t see them not caring enough to wait until the next morning.
But then again, the whole theory of “got stuck outside and ran into a serial lunatic” must have astronomical odds as well. Or, this poor girl has the worst luck ever — locked out of a long anticipated concert and meets up with a creepster in the dark? I keep coming back to a case in the midwest where a prom couple disappeared off the face of the earth with speculation ranging from “they ran off together” to they met some nefarious end. Turned out in the end they went parking, ran off a little bridge and were found submerged in about 6 feet of water. So, I’m wondering. Assume she was a little tipsy and went outside unaccompanied (which I’m still bothered by) she can’t get back in and being a bit inebriated does something fool hardy, she tries to hitch. Not knowing the terrain back there, is there any place on the bridge where she might have fallen over a siderail (while puking), been hit by a car and rolled down an embankment and is obscured by underbrush? This to me has a higher probability.
Assuming the worst odds, after this length of time, the cops either know who did it and are hoping they will lead them to the body, so they are under surveillance. Or they have no idea, and are waiting for someone to crack or fess up or get turned in by someone they confided in. Either way, this case has a very odd feel to it.
BLINK – I MIGHT BE ON TO SOMETHING HERE!!! Follow me. Per Morgan’s facebook site, she has 17 female friends attending UVA and 5 male friends who attend UVA. Additionally, she has 2 male friends who live in Charlottesville (not listed as attending UVA or any other college) and 1 female friend who lives in Charlottesville (again not listed as attending UVA or any other college). SO…..Morgan did know people in the area. This gives us several peope local to the concert whom she could have been meeting up with. Assuming we can count the females out – that leaves 5 males who attend UVZ and 2 makes who live Charlottesville.
OK, questions now:
1) WHY is Morgan NOT on the VSP’s missing persons list http://www.vsp.state.va.us/MissingPersons.shtm#h. If not classified by LE as a missing persons, than how do they have her officially classified?
2) Do you think the Harringtons know more than the public or no?
3) Virginia Freedom of Information regarding withholding info in an ongoing criminal investigation:
§ 52-8.3. Disclosure of criminal investigative records and reports; penalty.
Any person employed by a law-enforcement agency or other governmental agency within the Commonwealth who has or has had access in an official capacity to an official written record or report submitted in confidence to the Department of State Police relating to an ongoing criminal investigation, and who uses or knowingly permits another to use such record or report for any purpose not consistent with the record exclusions permitted in the Virginia Freedom of Information Act (§ 2.2-3700 et seq.), or other provision of state law, shall be guilty of a Class 2 misdemeanor.
The provisions of this section shall not be construed to impede or prohibit full access to information concerning the existence of any criminal investigation or to other verbal disclosures permitted by state police operating procedures.
(1981, c. 238; 1999, cc. 703, 726; 2004, c. 690.)
http://leg1.state.va.us/cgi-bin/legp504.exe?000+cod+52-8.3
4) Do you think this case will be solved anytime in the near future?
BLINK – About the purse, if it was dropped that night around 9:30, then with the concert, students, athletes, etc – how was it not noticed until the next morning? I’m thinking that the only way it wasn’t found that night was because it wasn’t there that night and was put there at a later time.
# 938 Comment by belleboyd — December 2, 2009 @ 3:40 pm
#930 Momof3 I’ve been to JPJ for concerts and YES you must have your ticket stub in order to return to your seat if you leave for drinks, bathroom, etc.
belleboyd, Thank you so much for answering this question!
Due to this policy I now think it is highly probable that this is what happened in Morgan’s case. She fell, lost her stub unknowingly, hurt herself went to the restroom, was stopped by security returning, possibly put up an argument, (I would have, especially if I was hurt and maybe drunk) she was asked to leave or escorted out.
Maybe this scenario also answers the why of the battery, also. Maybe she lost her battery inside JPJ after the fall and that is why LE knows she used someone else’s cell phone after leaving, and why they said the missing battery was of no concern.
This could also answer why none of her friends went to the bathroom with her. Perhaps they inadvertantly laughed when she fell, not out of malice, but just a human reaction. Morgan was mad, embarrassed and stormed off to the bathroom, or perhaps she started to cry and didn’t
# 938 Comment by belleboyd — December 2, 2009 @ 3:40 pm
#930 Momof3 I’ve been to JPJ for concerts and YES you must have your ticket stub in order to return to your seat if you leave for drinks, bathroom, etc.
belleboyd, Thank you so much for answering this question!
Due to this policy I now think it is highly probable that this is what happened in Morgan’s case. She fell, lost her stub unknowingly, hurt herself went to the restroom, was stopped by security returning, possibly put up an argument, (I would have, especially if I was hurt and maybe drunk) she was asked to leave or escorted out.
Maybe this scenario also answers the why of the battery, also. Maybe she lost her battery inside JPJ after the fall and that is why LE knows she used someone else’s cell phone after leaving, and why they said the missing battery was of no concern.
This could also answer why none of her friends went to the bathroom with her. Perhaps they inadvertently laughed when she fell, not out of malice, but just a human reaction. Morgan was mad, embarrassed and stormed off to the bathroom, or perhaps she started to cry and didn’t want her friends to see and quietly went off to the bathroom to regain her composure.
sorry for the double post, little one “sent” my message before I was finished- Sigh
Re: 917 – I agree with your comments. ‘D’ (Tarheelplaya06) is actually quite removed from that set of friends.
2 degrees of separation in his case.
Thanks Reece, I found his representation deceptive, but I don’t think it was ill-intentioned I hope.
B
J2K (snipped)
“Plus, dudes were heading out of practice, not partying. I’m sure they were looking forward to showers, not getting it on with a drunk, bleeding Metallica fan.”
A little harsh, J2K?
We’re not season ticket holders for basketball but do go to some games. Ushers/security are stationed at each portal. We generally are aware of where we are going and have not tried to enter the wrong section, but have been required to show our tickets when heading to our seats. We have wanted to go onto the floor to talk to friends and were not allowed to do so because we did not have floor tickets. We’ve run into the same situation at other venues, so we (usually 5 of us) always hold onto our own tickets. JPJ uses a scan system, so it’s now like attendees have to hold onto a small section of a torn ticket. I also want to say that I agree with Mom’s observation (#941) most women, no matter their age, travel at least in pairs to concessions and the restrooms. I don’t know why, that’s just the way it is. Knowing that Morgan left her seat alone and the fact she was kissed on the cheek when she left have always seemed off to me. Of course, I’m basing these feelings on what I have experienced with my friends and family, possibly it was sop for this group of friends. In answer to Mom’s question about the bridge, Morgan was on a railroad bridge, not a bridge over a highway. There have been speculations posted here and locally that perhaps she could have fallen over the rail and landed on top of a coal car or something of the sort. Sounds a bit far fetched, but could be an explanation as to why no evidence has been found in the area. I’ve walked across the bridge many times from a parking garage on Ivy Road to games and concerts, but I have no idea how high the barrier is to keep people from falling off the bridge to the tracks below.