Kyron Horman Missing and Endangered: Grand Jury Meets, Indictment Imminent
Portland, OR- In the case of missing 7-year-old Portland child Kyron Horman, developments today continue to unfold at lightening speed.
During a poorly-kept secret convening of a special grand jury that is in session today, sources inside the investigation believe it’s triers of fact will return an indictment against Terri Horman and possibly one other individual.
It is however, unclear as to whether or not the grand jury is hearing evidence in the alleged murder for hire plot MCSO informed Kaine Horman his wife had master-minded, OR evidence surrounding the disappearance of Kaine and Desiree Young’s son Kyron.
KOIN caught Terri Horman’s friend DeDe Spicher, who was subpoenaed to appear in the proceedings this morning, on video with her attorney, entering the courthouse. Spicher was the subject of a public plea asking her to cooperate with investigators by Kaine Horman and Desiree Young last week. A neighbor of Spicher’s has confirmed the FBI has been seen removing boxes and unknown bagged material from her residence.
According to several sources, DeDe Spicher, Terri’s roommate post Kaine’s restraining order, was working in a garden near the Horman home the day of Kyron’s disappearance when she received a call at approximately 11:15 am. She left abruptly, returning at approximately 1:00 pm. DeDe was unreachable on her cell phone during that time and the property owner became concerned. Spicher is a long time friend and workout companion of Horman’s.
Earlier today, Laura Rackner, Kaine Horman’s Family Law attorney filed a motion to find out where the funds are coming from to foot the bill for Terri Horman’s high profile criminal defense attorney, Stephen Houze.
In Horman’s motion, he is seeking the disclosure of the payments made to Houze, and whether or not it came from marital funds. If it has, Kaine Horman wants half the cash to pay his own legal bills. Kaine Horman alleges that Terri Horman disclosed to a third party that she paid a whopping $350,000 retainer to Houze, however, provided no proof of same in the papers filed today.
In what appears to be a media timing coup, tonight’s episode of Dateline NBC will feature Kaine Horman, Desiree and Tony Young, with interviews and coverage of Kyron’s disappearance.
Multnomah County Sheriff’s Office Public Information Officer, Mary Lindstrand, has announced a press conference tomorrow at the MCSO Training Facility, beginning at 2:00 pm PST.
blinkoncrime editor Madeline Tanner contributed to this report
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@FlGirl,
I too have wondered about the Brian/Tanner Pumala situation. It is one of the odd pieces of the puzzle that “doesn’t fit.” For one thing, him saying that the sub/chaperone noticed Kyron missing AFTER the Science Fair tours and the comment from Ms. Porter the teacher that Kyron was probably in the bathroom. It doesn’t fit because the teacher later told authorities she thought Kyron had a doctor;s appt that day. It seems to me that any reasonably thinking person would have followed up to see why he did not return from the bathroom. Also the tours were to have taken place between 9 and 10 a.m. Kyron had not been seen after 8:45 a.m. Tanner also said that he saw SM leave the school without Kyron. That doesn’t seem feasible either because they were upstairs in the hallway when Tanner says he last saw Kyron. How would he have been able to see SM leave the building down on the ground level? Too much that doesn’t fit there.
PS to #19,
Also Kyron’s friend Kurtis told others that Kyron had mentioned the fact he had a doctor’s appt that day. This is critical to the case because if in fact he did mention it to Kurtis, it shows he knew he was going to be leaving the building. There is only one person who would have been able to get him to the doctor.
Im sure LE contacted everyone on Teri’s cell phone, received calls and made calls. Isn’t that how they found out about the LS? Maybe LE was able to get a search warrent for DeDe’s cell and saw the call from the person she was working for on June 4th on it and then asked her about it. She might have said, oh yeah, I remember that day and then recounts the story. Maybe LE knew about DeDe long before the public and questioned her weeks ago but we are finding out about it weeks later.
I wasn’t aware that Dede had moved in with Terri~stayed for about ten days after Kaine left the home (RO timeline) I bet they had a lot of talking ~computering time~ planning to do~ interesting ~ this is found on a link by Early Morning Show
Oh & does anyone know anything of this Chelsea Aleshire, she is to appear before the GJ this next week~ I guess, Bad news to have been a friend of Terri Hormans
okay…lol something is coming down as NO ONE is here or someone has kidnapped our Blink? Oh my now what am I supposed to do?
@beejay — keep up the good work of challenging the “fixed” theories. I agree with your analysis 100%.
@Jackie ‘s question “Why didn’t she take the graphic sexual photos on that phone and spare LE the gruesome task of reviewing those?”
Did LE review the photos on her cell phone or on Michael Cook’s, since he was the recipient? It’s possible too that the photos were not taken specifically for Cook, perhaps she already happened to have them on her phone from an earlier time, ready-to-transmit to anyone she thought might enjoy seeing them. Another possibility is that LE was aware of the duplicate phones and followed-up accordingly.
FLGirl says:
August 3, 2010 at 4:06 am
FLGirl – that’s exactly the same thing I was thinking, what on earth could she have done that would be worse than this, not telling what she knows because something about her might come out? I think if someone else got Kyron, then Terri set it up. I think he left in the truck with her. If you hide a person/body (God forbide) in the school, you risk it being discovered. If Terri was caught leaving with Kyron, then she had the doctor’s appointment to cover that but maybe thwart her plan. If she wasn’t seen, then she could use the mix up in drs appointment days.
Last night I read her facebook page (minus pictures) where she’s talking about Kiara getting into the yogurt, putting diapers in the commode, playing games, etc., then suddenly it’s the concerned messages from friends about Kyron. What can they do. By her detached (?) reaction and few comments, you’d think the TRUCK was missing, not a little boy who lived with you. Sorry if that’s repeating what’s already been said, that’s the first time I had read it.
I see she was back at the lawyer’s today.
“There’s no better advocate for a missing child than the child’s parents.”
–Marc Klaas, father of 12-year-old victim Polly Klaas
I believe I’ve reached a point, in this case, where I agree with Patton, who said, ”Great danger lies in the notion that we can reason with evil.”
I believe TH is pure evil, and she will not give up information under any circumstance. I hope I’m wrong. I pray that there’s a shred of decency left in the woman. I don’t think so. Evil crumbles from within—her own selfishness will destroy her.
@Jackie, I didn’t find your response abrupt at all, I tend to speak straight from the cuff myself so no problem for me! I appreciate the reply.
You are correct when you say “Sociopaths learn how to “act” and mimic the appropriate behavior, they get by by faking it, so sadness, affection, concern, etc. Empathy, not so much.” Unfortuneately I don’t have to read up on them as I was married to one for quite awhile. Your post actually backs my opinion up as TH doesn’t carry the “act” out, it is obvious to everyone that at the first press conference she was acting, or trying to at any rate.
My remark “I don’t think she would have even thought to try and act the way she did at the first press conference, IMO she would have exhibited the behaviour of a bystander as she would not have thought she had done anything wrong.” was biased I admit as that is the behaviour I have witnessed personally. Not that it’s important and I’m sure WAY TMI, but yes my ex was professionaly diagnosed as a sociopath.
At any rate the chick ain’t wired right and I’m pretty sure we ALL agree on that!
Thoughts and prayers are with Kyron, his brothers and sister.
RE Phyl’s post: http://blogs.wweek.com/news/2010/08/03/kyron-horman-update-one-tipsters-startling-suspicions-and-frustration/comment-page-1/#comments
Maybe I watch too many crime shows,read too many true-crime books, um watch the news…but if I saw an adult pushing a child down in a car, pull off into a wooded area, meet up with other adults, walk the child into the woods with a shovel, then subsequently hear a gunshot I think I would call the police on the spot, maybe even before I heard a gunshot. This man apparently thought something was off enough to watch as the events unfolded but not to do anything about it? And even days after the fact to just leave messages on a tipline and not call 911 immediately?
Investigators in the case of missing 7-year-old Kyron Horman say they’ve sorted through more than 3,500 tips in the nearly two-month investigation.
Here’s an example of one such tip, forwarded today to WW by former Sheriff’s Capt. Bruce McCain. McCain says he’s brought the tip to investigators’ attention and is told they are finally following up on it.
Here’s the main portion of an email McCain sent:
This morning around 9:00 am I received a telephone call from Mark DeWitt, a 51-year old single farmer who lives in Riddle, Oregon. … When I took his call he expressed relief in “finally talking to a human” after leaving unanswered calls to the MCSO tip line. I told him I no longer worked at MCSO and I am not part of the investigation at all. He understood that but asked me to pass this info along to the authorities.
DeWitt told me he was driving on 99W near Junction City around noon on Wednesday, June 9–the same day Captain Mike Shults delivered his press statement without the families present. DeWitt said a white pick-up truck driven by a female with brown or reddish hair came up fast behind him. He noticed in his rear view mirror that a boy with short dark hair and glasses kept popping his head up in the front seat, only to have the driver push his head down. The pick-up passed DeWitt and turned on a gravel road near an old mill site in or near the town of Monroe, Oregon. DeWitt said the pickup turned onto a side road where it stopped to meet a “cranberry” color sedan from which a heavy set red head female and a male wearing a baseball cap emerged. DeWitt said the pickup driver got out and took the boy into a heavily wooded area where they were followed by the other two–with the male carrying a shovel he removed from the sedan trunk.
DeWitt continued into town where he stopped at a gas station to ask for directions to his destination, which I think was a grain elevator for seed. While out of his vehicle, DeWitt said he heard what sounded like a single gun shot coming from the general vicinity of where he saw the three adults and boy. DeWitt then said he later pulled into a rest area on 99W to use the rest room. As he was heading back onto the road, he was behind a slow moving motor home that was pulling onto the highway. DeWitt said he then saw the pickup again speeding with the sedan behind it about to collide with the motor home. He said the truck slammed on its brakes and barely stopped short of colliding with the motor home, but the sedan skidded and collided with the rear of the white pickup. DeWitt said it was not a major crash, but the sedan might have some slight front end damage and the pickup might show signs of a “paint swap” in the rear.
Quoting: ttownrussiangirl
Wow – thats quite a hike – Corvalis is about 1.5 hours away and Monroe looks to be 15 min more southeast. Thats a long way from the pings LE picked up.
THIS WAS on ANOTHER SITE. They said they ruled it out. At least they could check it out.
Minnie says:
August 3, 2010 at 11:43 pm
THIS WAS on ANOTHER SITE. They said they ruled it out. At least they could check it out.
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I agree, hard to have ruled it out if they did not check it out which would have involved contacting the tipster to get the exact location and they never did, according to the article.
Minnie-
Did they release the cellphone ping records as you post that in your post?
This theory or tip could not work as it supposedly happened on June 9th and I am sure they were being watched at that point. I also notice that is it like 2 to 2 half hours away. This would not match the timeline at all… This sounds like a made up rumor to me.
@CassieS the Chelsea person is a friend that spoke to TH on the day Kyron went missing, she was unaware at the time they spoke that Kyron was missing.
http://www.kptv.com/news/24499150/detail.html
Thoughts and prayers are with Kyron, his brothers and sister.
well Mermaid you sure make a good point there. I hadnt thought about that detail. duh! pointing yet again to Teri.
It astounds me that she had the gonads to ask a friend to get her a prepaid cell (I assume it was prepaid, as they are reasonably untraceable.) Even more shocking that a friend would do it for her.
At this point I think Dede pleaded the fifth and is waiting on a deal. The insight that came out in the paper about a friend (possibly/probably Dede) could well come to light based on siezed phone and computer from dedes home. I bought my child a prepaid (assumed from here on out) and have to register/add minutes via my computer (making it a bit less tracable as the case applies to TH and DDS). IT seems quite possible that while Dede isnt testifying yet because the lawyers are working out a deal, the forensics may have found on her computer the info about the prepaid phones. This may be what Kaine and Desiree were referring as something like providing support that is not conducive to finding Kyron.
We didnt even hear about Dede til a week after her home was searched. Now we hear about Chelsea Aleshire and I hope she is cooperating, as it mentioned somewhere that she spoke to Terri that day but not after. All this is privvy info coming from Terris cell records. CA may be totally uninvolved but I def think Dede is up to her eyeballs in it.
What I am confused about, being fairly limited in my understanding of what a Grand Jury does, it almost* seems to me as though the questioning of peeps in the GJ is feeding info into the LE case. This is good, especially if it means we find Kyron. But to me it also seems strange because LE should have a solid case before presenting it to the GJ, right? IOW (in other words, for those that didnt check the dictionary out
) it seems to me as if the GJ is being used as an investigative technique/method as much as it is for a part of finding justice. Anyone else agree with me here? Or is it just strange to me?
Anybody know who gave Terri her second cell phone? I heard that on the news this afternoon. Somebody came forward and said that Terri has been using a cellphone to call someone on regularly that the police have not confiscated.
#15 Rich M says:August 4, 2010 at 12:31 am re his comment : “I think Dede pleaded the fifth and is waiting on a deal.”….The local KOIN news reported that DeDe will appear this week to testify at the grand jury…so that means she did not make a deal last week and that confirms (per Blink earlier this week) that she did not testify last week.
I forgot to add: when they confiscated Dedes computer and cell, they could have gotten TH “private cell phone” info from that as well. IOW they could discover there was an additional phone that led to TH that LE didnt know about and was one of the prepaid types. It spells GUILTY AS HELL all over it. In fact, I have considered that TH left the mustang at KHs because she was afraid it was bugged and GPS tagged. (Which it may well be. I still wonder wth she would leave her prized possession behind, but then again, she left her prized Kiara behind without a fight which also spells guilty as hell to me as well.)
My point here is that Dede may not have been the one to reveal this to LE or the GJ, but rather that LE could have discovered it on their own based on the search warrant and subsequent seizing of Dedes personal items.
If that is the case, good work on the part of LE.
Terri, just give it up already. We are sick of hearing about your “devious mind” and the crap you think you are getting away with.
43: Mermaid14 says:
August 3, 2010 at 8:13 pm @FlGirl,: There was no sub teacher. Terri lied and said that Mrs Porter didn’t hear her tell her that Kyron had a dr appt….Another child saw Kyron leave out a side door, alone. Terri could have walked out the main door, alone. Kyron could have been told to go out the side door, walk the path to where the truck was parked, which don’t you find odd that it was parked in the far back parking lot of the school and not the front one.. and get in the truck and wait for Terri to join him??? Don’t put all your basis on Tanner’s comment. Remember Terri was at the school on Thursday also.
Rich M – the GJ is kind of “testing” the evidence that LE has to see if it is strong enough for an indictment. They are called because there is a crime. There is not evidence of the kind (I don’t know any of the legal terms) like there is when people see somebody shoot a person while robbing the bank, i.e., eye witnesses, gun, fingerprints, surveillance video, ballistics, DNA, etc. If after hearing all testimony and seeing all circumstantial evidence that LE has against TH (supposedly) then they will rule whether or not an indictment will be handed down and give LE the go ahead to make an arrest.
This is how it was explained to me so hopefully I’m giving you the correct information. Most likely a GJ would not have been convened unless the DA’s office felt the evidence they have is strong enough for an indictment. Also, the GJ can interview every witness, so this could take a long time. Let’s cross our fingers.
NancyS, maybe it was not Teri, butsomeone with a wig on. If it was not made up, they should check ut the gun shot and shovel anyhow.
Maybe someone held him for 5 days.
I doubt seriously that LE would even consider a “deal” with DeDe. Just the fact she refuses to answer questions tells us alot. In order to get her to talk they have to grant her immunity. I tell you if that lady gets that deal you are going to hear me screaming all the way across the country. In no way should they ever make “deals” with child kidnappers or anyone who aids and abets them. She is going down with TH, the sooner the better.
Rich, it is my understanding that the prosecuter brings forth to the grand jury what evidence they have against someone they think committed a crime. This evidence can be circumstantial and people are called and questioned by the prosecuter for any information they may have in regards to the case as well. Most people are granted immunity if they testify before the grand jury. The grand jury then takes all it’s heard from LE along with witness testimony and then decides if there is enough evidence to proceed with an arrest.
I’m sure the legal answer to that is more complicated and I’m not sure if grand jury’s in all 50 states operate under the same rules, but I know we have a couple of lawyers here that can give a better answer.
Thoughts and prayers are with Kyron, his brothers, and sister.
@RichM – I don’t know a lot about GJ’s, but it would seem to me, the average person, that yes that is what they are doing. Also, does anybody know if any attorneys would have access to information about what the GJ is hearing? I mean would any of this info be readily available to Houze? Or DD’s attorney (as far as what KH, DY & TY testified about??)
@PackLeader5 – I couldn’t agree with you more. For me… this case has just tore me up. One, to see Kyron’s picture, and just to imagine the pain.. And, two.. to see TH… beyond me how a person who has birthed a child, raised a boy since such a young age… bring harm to him? Evil. Yes, evil is right. I am beyond sad to realize this.
I have prayed for LE almost as much as I have prayed for Kyron. Let LE do the very best in all that they can do to bring Kyron home and to bring justice for him. Kyron, Desiree, Kaine, and Tony in my prayers tonight.
I have to add that I feel sorry for all the people who saw Terri and Kyron at the school the morning of the 4th. They are going to have to testify before the GJ and then at the trial, if it goes to that. Just a “Hi, how are you today,” between them and TH will draw them into this.
And, I firmly believe that if any of them so much as farted in church even once in their lifetimes Houze will rip them up at trial.
It’s so sad that we haven’t found Kyron. It makes me mad that his story is way down the list now on most news sites.
Thanks, Blink, for a place to keep the heart in the search.
@ FLgirl:
I agree with your post, but I will say that my first instinct with TH wasn’t so much that she was getting back at KH (there was no info on any of them at the time), but just that she was impulsive and selfish. As soon as I saw that first press conference, the way she was looking around so child-like, I just got this feeling it was all about her. I think that she did whatever she did to protect her own interests. That was my first thought as I said, and I have gone back and forth but with the admittance from KH that the marriage was “troubled” I go back to this idea. I think that she was afraid to be left by KH and lose her home, daughter and financial stability. I think she thought this could bring them closer to together. I get the feeling that her thought process is very twisted and narcassitic. Coupled with the MFH plot that fell through I think she was just trying to protect her investments, and when the MFH plot didn’t work maybe she thought she could save her marriage this way??? Just another thought.
@JackieB: If her friend got her a new phone such as a go-phone it may have been unable to take pictures. (And lets not forget she had pictures of herself on her own so the idea that she was set up doesn’t really work). My idea on DeDe, which I stated before is that she needs to be needed. So maybe she did this of her own accord thinking TH was innocent and offering them a way to be connected that wouldn’t be traceable. And DeDe really believes in TH’s innocence in the whole thing, and DeDe was acting on this assumption. And this idea to have an unidentified phone for TH was so that they could communicate or she could call lawyers etc. DeDe didn’t realize how impulsive TH was and that she wasn’t innocent and was acting on things that weren’t in anyones best interest. I guess I have this idea based on my own experience…I had a friend that was an addict and I had all these great ideas on how to help believing that they really wanted my help, but they didn’t at the time and all my efforts were sabotaged by thier impulsive need to get high. Again, just a thought. I mean if they didn’t see each other that often, yet DeDe moved in with her, to me it seems she is a person that will drop everything to go where she is needed, which is great, but maybe not so much in this case :/
@ LB Maybe she got a lil tickle out of all those people looking at her lewdness & BS on the cell phone(this is not a normal thinking person ~ someone addicted to sex) ~you would have thought she would have given anything to erase or not have anyone else but the intented see them (MC) which is bad enough in itself~ ugh
I think Minima has a great theory, makes total sense that Terri thought since she couldn’t kill her husband that making Kyron disappear could bring them closer together. Creepy!
I just don’t understand why Terri does not make a statement or defend herself? Isn’t that unusual?
She looks so darn guilty with her smug face and closed mouth.
I don’t think I could act like that if a child in my care went missing.
@ Phyl, thank you for the reply. I completely agree. It’s such a shame kids today seem to be in such danger all the time. Maybe some of it is the 24/7 media but it feels like the world’s just getting more dangerous to me. And people are getting crazier, too, maybe. That means the already crazy ones are truly going nuts….
What I’ll never understand is how anyone does something to a child and there’s no remorse or feelings. Just blank eyes, dead eyes like a shark. Or in TH’s case, one gets the idea she might be enjoying the pain of Desiree, Tony, and esp. Kaine. Otherwise, wouldn’t she talk by now? End their suffering?
still hoping for Kyron
snapoutofit says:
August 4, 2010 at 12:51 am
43: Mermaid14 says:
August 3, 2010 at 8:13 pm @FlGirl,: There was no sub teacher. Terri lied and said that Mrs Porter didn’t hear her tell her that Kyron had a dr appt….Another child saw Kyron leave out a side door, alone. Terri could have walked out the main door, alone. Kyron could have been told to go out the side door, walk the path to where the truck was parked, which don’t you find odd that it was parked in the far back parking lot of the school and not the front one.. and get in the truck and wait for Terri to join him??? Don’t put all your basis on Tanner’s comment. Remember Terri was at the school on Thursday also.
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Ummm, I am not sure why this is directed at me? I have said from day 1 that I did NOT believe Tanner’s story; and I was not surprised when LE eliminated him from the timeline. I have also said from the beginning, that it was my belief that Terri lied about the Dr. appt. (before it was not even more than a rumor) in order to create an alibi, should she be noticed leaving the school with Kyron.
And I also stated from the beginning, that I believe Terri told Kyron to either go wait in the truck for her, or to meet her there, so they weren’t seen leaving together.
So, I’m not sure who/why someone is putting words to me, that are not mine.
I am unaware of any confirmed report anyone saw Kyron leave through any door.
B
As for the tip supplied by the man who thinks he might’ve seen Terri and Kyron? On June 9th? 5 days after Kyron went missing? I seriously doubt it. I mean maybe he saw something suspicious, but IMO, no way did Terri hang on to Kyron for 5 days; and no way would she be able to get away from the house, with LE living under the same roof, for any period of time.
Eh, regarding my post @ snapoutofit; sorry about that, I see you were replying to a reply Mermaid14 made to me. Sorry! My bad!
justjane says:
August 3, 2010 at 5:45 pm
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I’m not real clear on the actual facts of DeDe’s actions on June 4th. From the little that has seeped out into the media, we know that she was at the house, then “left abruptly”. Abruptly is defined as “suddenly”. That say to me — and mileages may vary — that someone perhaps saw her leave?
Maybe perhaps it’s just a bad choice of words on someone’s part. But that’s how it reads to me. Otherwise I would’ve expected to hear something like “DeDe was working in the front yard and when I went to catch up with her for lunch, she was gone”.
I don’t know, perhaps I am reading too much into it, but it just seems to me that describing her as “leaving abruptly” most likely means someone saw her leave, maybe even tried to call after her when she was leaving; and failing to stop her, tried to call her cell phone.
Again, just my speculation.
I may have missed the specs on Chelsea Aleshire, but did understand she received one conversation from Terri during the time of Kyron’s disappearance.
Besides the fb and ms, what all do you have?
http://www.myspace.com/sh_mell
http://www.facebook.com/people/Chelsea-Aleshire/1414730333
Not sure if she’s got the landscaper connection. Still recovering from last night’s ops (which also ended up in a backyard and a churchyard…until late hours).
But Kyron above all. Let’s get your manly self home!
Probably well-known, but:
Chelsea Dawn Aleshire, 22, has a baby, and is related to Kelly R and Nancy J Aleshire (Nancy J Schaff) 54 and Shelly J. Aleshirem 72.
Haven’t gotten any further and it’s a work night–dang it, aren’t they all!
Manana. WG
Blink, I posted my new theory on Hinkymeter yesterday about terri possibly have been working with LE all along to find the perp. Not all pieces are working, however it has been stated regarding the GJ that terri is the common denominator between dede and TY, DY and KH. now with new people emerging from the subpeonas it will be interesting to see if the GYM/someone at the gym is the common denominator!
Which would make sense, because at the beginning, many people thought that the message on facebook and the trip to the gym was intentionally orchestrated by LE (stocker) also Terri’s current facebook page plus NEW picture could also be intentionally set up and ran by LE.
I am interested in hearing what the family is going to say about terri after the GJ, or will they be able to say anything now after testifying? will the press conferences stop?
Before anyone asks how I would explain the sting if terri was working with LE…it could be that LS blindsided LE with the claim of the MFH and the sting was set up to see if Terri or the LS was telling the truth…It may be that LE told Kaine what the LS stated MFH and they wanted kaine and Kiara of the property never expecting Kaine to file for a divorce and RO. Because the Divorce and RO wasn’t part of the plan, LE sealed the RO.
I am praying for you Kyron!
MM-
Le told Kaine about the MFH plot, and advised him to remove himself and Kiara because they are duty bound to. The sting, with an intended victim and a baby in the home could never have happened. Do I think it was a mistake to try? No way. It tells the goal was to put pressure on the parties for the sake of finding Kyron and I support that. It seems our poor LE feels the weight of that double edged sword no matter what they do.
While I would do everything Kaine has done/is doing, I continue to be floored that Houze remains silent.
From a legal perspective, it is my opinion he believes his client will be arrested, and that her leverage begins only then.
B
Cartwheel – I think your theory has merit. Makes sense to me. Our minds are so crammed with information the filing system gets overloaded.
@ nate0419 says:
August 3, 2010 at 2:51 pm
“My daily routine has been altered to make time for keeping up on Kyron developments and I am always looking when I am out in public.”
Me, too!
@ cartwheel says:
August 3, 2010 at 7:22 pm
“and I have a suspicion that this may have something to do with why people finally confess.”
Sort of like The Tell-Tale Heart?
@cathy bickel: Glad you got away from the sociopath. I had the up close and personal opportunity as well. Special fun, that.
@L.B.: you’re phone analysis sounds right. My graphic photo ? was actually a rhetorical one, made because the idea of it so grosses me out. But your answer was interesting anyway. I just wonder exactly what a graphic sexual photo is that can be taken with a phone? Weird. Icky.
@Minima: good ideas about TH. I am not convinced she wasn’t going back to the MFH plot after she dealt with Kyron, though. I described it previously as a monopoly game she’s playing, and she gets Boardwalk and Park Place once all the dreary details are out of her life (insurance, the house, Kaine’s retirement, etc.) But you may have a point on the “closer” thing, too.
Also, I was thinking about the fact that KH said DeDe had only been to the house a few times and I came up with this idea: just because KH didn’t know how close TH & DeDe were doesn’t mean that they weren’t thick as thieves. It just means KH didn’t know about it. I mean he also missed the MFH plot. And someone above asked how all of that could happen… well, I live by a woman who is just nuts. She has lived with a man for 2 years, has a child with him, and she tells everyone how she hates the man and wishes he’d move out but he just won’t leave, how he doesn’t pay any bills, yaddayaddayadda, and guess what? She’s lying, and when you see them together, she’s a different, laughing, happy person, and turns out, she has no job and he supports her… so the moral of that fubar story is that there are psychologically unhealthy manipulative dishonest people in this world. I even believed her story at first. I am not her friend, but we chat when I’m out walking the dog, and recently, I caught her in a ridiculous whopper of a lie. Baffling. And I’m sure her S.O. has no idea what she’s saying about him. And I live in a very nice neighborhood and these are supposedly normal people. So weird stuff does happen, and people do have secret lives. I think it’s possible TH had an unhealthy friendship with DeDe and KH knew nothing. Just another possibility.
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re: the tip from WW/McCain, I think that the last paragraph explains why it probably wasn’t checked out (“But I also told him that one reason why he might not have received a call back is that investigators knew where Terri and the pickup were around 12 noon on Wednesday, June 9.”) So sounds like yes, it s/b checked out, but June 9 was 5 days later, TH had already failed a LDT and was probably under surveillance even then. JMG.
why would she want to brought closer to a man she wanted to kill a few month’s earlier?
sorry that makes no sense. i think she’s a real piece of work like a diane downs or pamela smart type. we’ll never figure this woman out, so im not even bothering with it. all i want to know is what happened to that baby boy and if he’s been harmed the person or persons involved need to be buried under the jail.
The last post from HopeinVA on OregonLive was July 14.
That week computer and phone were seized from DeDe’s house.
I keep trying to post the 2 links, but they disappear.
I thought it was interesting to read comments about the tip of 2 women, a man, a boy and a shovel on June 9th.
The theme was that it couldn’t be Kyron because terri wouldn’t have been there, or terri was being watched by LE so it couldnt have been kyron, or even saying that the tipster had the wrong date and it had to be the 4th.???
The thought of it being Kyron, taken by someone else other than terri can not even be processed in some peoples minds. Terri HAS to be guilty no matter what. I understand the connect-the-dots but when the dots don’t connect then you have to erase and see the pic differently.
This case is so sad, if he is alive how are we ever going to find kyron if our vision is in a tunnel.
UPDATE on tip = tip was followed up, and found it wasn’t relevant, the tip was pretty lengthy that it is hard to imagine that it was all on a recorder and the tipster was never contacted for location that makes me ponder the question..Really? was it really followed up on?
http://blogs.wweek.com/news/2010/08/03/kyron-horman-update-one-tipsters-startling-suspicions-and-frustration/
UPDATE: Lt. Mary Lindstrand, spokeswoman for the Multnomah County Sheriff’s Office, says a detective from an outside agency followed up on the tip “some time ago” and determined it wasn’t relevant to the investigation.
Something tells me this is the missing family our man Roger *no last name* was referring to.
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Ooohh..sorry to post again, something just came to me…the sighting was on the 9th and the case went criminal on the 11th. maybe someone elses tip of the same event was followed up on?
Aaanndd…if terri, couldn’t have been the one there, because it was on the 9th,and she was being watched by LE. Then it couldn’t have been terri
Regarding the Grand Jury: some states have pre trials where evidence is presented, etc… and then it is decided from there whether or not there is enough evidence to proceed. Oregon has Grand Juries which are like the pre trials of other states. There are 3 Grand Juries ready to go at all times. Each of the Grand Juries is specific to a certain type of crime. When I went for jury duty last year, the first group of names drawn were sent off to the grand jury pool. These people are on jury duty (grand jury duty) for 30 days. Blink did a fantastic job of explaining what Oregon does with regards to Grand Juries, on the Dana Pretzer Show. This was the second posted show she did and the link is in a previous post.
Ali Miller said: August 4, 2010 at 1:51 am
I think Minima has a great theory, makes total sense that Terri thought since she couldn’t kill her husband that making Kyron disappear could bring them closer together. Creepy!
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Ali, Or kill him in another way.