Kyron Horman Missing and Endangered: Grand Jury Meets, Indictment Imminent
Portland, OR- In the case of missing 7-year-old Portland child Kyron Horman, developments today continue to unfold at lightening speed.
During a poorly-kept secret convening of a special grand jury that is in session today, sources inside the investigation believe it’s triers of fact will return an indictment against Terri Horman and possibly one other individual.
It is however, unclear as to whether or not the grand jury is hearing evidence in the alleged murder for hire plot MCSO informed Kaine Horman his wife had master-minded, OR evidence surrounding the disappearance of Kaine and Desiree Young’s son Kyron.
KOIN caught Terri Horman’s friend DeDe Spicher, who was subpoenaed to appear in the proceedings this morning, on video with her attorney, entering the courthouse. Spicher was the subject of a public plea asking her to cooperate with investigators by Kaine Horman and Desiree Young last week. A neighbor of Spicher’s has confirmed the FBI has been seen removing boxes and unknown bagged material from her residence.
According to several sources, DeDe Spicher, Terri’s roommate post Kaine’s restraining order, was working in a garden near the Horman home the day of Kyron’s disappearance when she received a call at approximately 11:15 am. She left abruptly, returning at approximately 1:00 pm. DeDe was unreachable on her cell phone during that time and the property owner became concerned. Spicher is a long time friend and workout companion of Horman’s.
Earlier today, Laura Rackner, Kaine Horman’s Family Law attorney filed a motion to find out where the funds are coming from to foot the bill for Terri Horman’s high profile criminal defense attorney, Stephen Houze.
In Horman’s motion, he is seeking the disclosure of the payments made to Houze, and whether or not it came from marital funds. If it has, Kaine Horman wants half the cash to pay his own legal bills. Kaine Horman alleges that Terri Horman disclosed to a third party that she paid a whopping $350,000 retainer to Houze, however, provided no proof of same in the papers filed today.
In what appears to be a media timing coup, tonight’s episode of Dateline NBC will feature Kaine Horman, Desiree and Tony Young, with interviews and coverage of Kyron’s disappearance.
Multnomah County Sheriff’s Office Public Information Officer, Mary Lindstrand, has announced a press conference tomorrow at the MCSO Training Facility, beginning at 2:00 pm PST.
blinkoncrime editor Madeline Tanner contributed to this report
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Here’s the thing.
In a situation where it is emergent, God forbid, a family member- without hesitation, I am taking one.
That said, I caution all to keep in mind, in some instances, a poly is fallible, and frankly, useless imo, once you get to “degrees of separation” witnesses.
LE loves them because they subscribe to their “exclusions”. They are a powerful investigative tool, no doubt.
B
Newsatfive and Blink: Are we not supposed to link to satire? I need to apologize if that’s the case. And, apologize again for letting my bent sense of humor out.
But why did you think I didn’t realize it was satire? I said:
“If you go for satire, which is only the truth cloaked with humor, here’s your link:
http://www.theonion.com/articles/if-i-hadnt-found-jesus-id-feel-pretty-shitty-about,
I’ll be quiet now. Sorry if I did something wrong
Absolutely not. Brief miscomunication, my bad.
B
@MockingbirdSings:
PS to puzzled – I liked your last question. “What if the others, whoever they are, had been showcased as prominently as TH and now DDS, would the public think differently about this case?” I think the answer is yes. And the next obvious question is – why haven’t they?
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Oh yes, and how. It would have tempered the Terri storm, I think. At least some. She may pale in comparison, I should think.
I read the article about TH being a contradiction (sorry but I believe we all are if you dig deep enough) and Kaine does admit he got on TH about spending money like water. My question is how would she have hired someone to do away with Kaine when she had no income of her own? Most MFH plots are going to cost in the thousands.
Earlier Kaine claimed not to know they even had a landscaper but did he not see the bill that was paid? He’s sounding rather fastidious about money with his statement but then playing dumb when it suits him IMO.
The reason I got involved in Kyron’s case is because I live in the Portland area and I have a son getting ready to start third grade. If there is ANY chance that a child predator did this, I WANT TO KNOW THAT. LE has said this is an isolated incident, but here we are 2 1/2 months later with no arrests and no persons of interest or suspects named by LE. So what are we parents supposed to think? Should I just believe, based on all the media hype and statements from Kyron’s parents, that TH and DS are involved, so I shouldn’t worry that something else happened? If it were not for the info. I’ve gotten from Blink and all of you I would be considering packing up and getting the hell out of here.
BTW, last week a 13 year old boy was sexually assualted while picking blackberries in a local park. The police are still looking for the perp. Here is a news link with a suspect sketch for any locals that are interested:
http://www.kptv.com/fox12smostwanted/24680180/detail.html
Oh, and still no security cameras at Skyline or in my district either. So maybe I will pack up my kid regardless.
Good news, a message from Skyline K8: “we are having video cameras installed at Skyline. [..] The security cameras will be installed this weekend. The entire system including installation is being donated by Chown Security.”
http://examiner.com/headlines-in-seattle/missing-teen-s-remains-identified-dna-results-confirm-psychic-s-findings-slideshow
August 22nd, 2010 6:58 pm
August 22, 2010 – A Portland, Ore., psychic working with the Guardians of the Children (GOC) search coordinator who was looking for a missing Morton teen, directed them to a location where she believed the teen’s body was located on a road just outside Morton – the Lewis County Sheriff’s Office confirmed in a news release Saturday that the body found on that road was indeed that of the missing teen.
Sonja’s success in locating six children in the past year resulted in calls for her to be involved in the case of seven-year-old Kyron Horman who has been missing since early June. Sonja said she believes Kyron was taken from his school and taken out of state. She will not publicize any more details of what she believes happened until the leads provided have been investigated.
In various interviews, she made it clear that her information comes to her through all of her sensory perceptions.
@snapoutofit … Curiosity, intrigue, selling stories, internet ability, hype, sensationalism, study of human behavior, popularity of ‘true crime’ detective stories out there, same reason why people look at car accidents …
good points, must be the natural voyeurism in human nature.
@beejay says: It’s lonely out on this limb by myself. But WHAT IF:
You’re not alone.. I’ve been rolling alternative theories around in my head since the beginning.. and all I have to show for it is a headache.
“What if the others, whoever they are, had been showcased as prominently as TH and now DDS, would the public think differently about this case?”
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Definitely yes.
As for why? The public did as the so-called “reliable source” wanted. Drank the kool-aid, jumped in headfirst, and followed.
Who has motive for leading us there?
And does it make their “information” suspect?
@ christy says:
August 23, 2010 at 5:47 pm
@MockingbirdSings:
“PS to puzzled – I liked your last question. “What if the others, whoever they are, had been showcased as prominently as TH and now DDS, would the public think differently about this case?” I think the answer is yes. And the next obvious question is – why haven’t they?
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Oh yes, and how. It would have tempered the Terri storm, I think. At least some. She may pale in comparison, I should think.”
Christy, Mockingbird and Puzzled~ what “others” are you referring to?
beejay – OK I get this with your link:
“The page you were looking for is not here.
Clearly, this is because you have damaged the inter-net.
At great expense, we have placed the broken pieces in an archive so that you can mend the damage you caused.”
I am familiar with the Onion but not so much online. Is this what you expected me to get? Searching didn’t get me there either.
Is this the fun I was supposed to have, or have I not had that fun yet?
I have thought, all along, that a person who was clever enough to plan and be involved with an abduction that goes undetected for an extended period of time probably didn’t use their own cell phone, and/or used their cell phone for the purpose of diverting attention (decoy). Who really knows whether or not TH had that phone with her? Clearly, her pal DS knew enough to leave her cell behind. Did DS drive the phone to areas where TH was not, in order to ping her to th at location? Or was TH involved in the acquisition of Ky, with someone else actually taking him away, and TH intentionally driving to SI (or whatever location), in order to ping there?
I don’t buy that she’s stupid. I do believe she is cold and calculating. Based on her actions, her background, the OTC stimulant use (described by Kaine, when discussing her weight training, and rapid weight loss), the DUI, etc… this woman presents as someone with a labile mood, and I really do believe that she’s borderline. Borderlines are usually calculating. I do not buy that she could pull off a relatively seamless abduction, and be stupid enough to “ping away,” unless she INTENDED to do so. IMO she is one cold-hearted snake. MOO (to add to the barnyard sounds)
Wednesday 8/25/ Agenda:
http://www.koinlocal6.com/content/news/topstories/story/As-Wall-of-Hope-seeks-new-home-grand-jury-meets/rQz-o1Wcwkifxc3D93tvdg.cspx
Kyron Horman grand jury meets again
PORTLAND, Ore. — Sources tell KGW that the grand jury in the Kyron Horman case met Monday, interviewing representatives from the Multnomah County Sheriff’s Office and other law enforcement officials.
Sources said the interviews would likely continue through Tuesday and possibly Wednesday.
Grand jury proceedings are secret and a judge has barred media from filming witnesses going in or out of the courthouse.
http://www.kgw.com/news/local/Kyron-Horman-grand-jury-meets-again-101339004.html
As ‘Wall of Hope’ seeks new home, grand jury meets again
In other news, Skyline School, where the 7-year-old boy was last seen, has reopened to register new students, according to the office. Kyron’s mother, Desiree Young, said the family is still looking for someone to host the ‘Wall of Hope,’ a tribute to the boy, because it must be moved before the opening day of school, Sept. 7.
It’s possible Desiree may make an appearance at a Wednesday hearing to go over Kaine Horman’s divorce from his estranged wife Terri Moulton Horman.
Michael Cook may also make an appearance, since it is alleged Terri showed parts of a restraining order to Cook when the order was sealed.
http://www.koinlocal6.com/content/news/topstories/story/As-Wall-of-Hope-seeks-new-home-grand-jury-meets/rQz-o1Wcwkifxc3D93tvdg.cspx
@MockingbirdSings
I spent a couple years teaching in PPS. A lot of time there were counselors available for certain days at the school site. The counselors rotated to different schools. A lot of schools didn’t have enough enrollment for full time counselors or other specialists.
When I taught 4th grade in CA, back in the day, we didn’t have counselors. The nurse visit was twice a month. We did our own recesses, no planning days, etc.
My question is “was Kyron receiving special ed help and on an IEP, individual lesson plans specifically geared for him?” He may have been thought of as too young to test.
As to Skyline School not having any cameras I would say that is arrogance with the powers that be thinking nothing could happen to their students. I can’t think of any other way to say it. Things happen at all schools in all places. While it may not stop something it could at least give LE an idea to direct their search.
I think all of us should sent $10 to Skyline to install cameras in the up coming year. I could be wrong but did read they weren’t installing them at least now. Auuuuuggggghhhh.
Re: Michael Cook, batphones and sexting: I would be willing to bet the police got a hold of MCs phone, since that is where they would know that he used it to photo the restraining order and to look up Kaines addy on google maps. While you might say “Terri was too smart if she knew LE was listening”.
What if she was using a batphone to text him?
What if she thought they would never catch on with her “untraceable phone”?
Did she think she could deny it after the fact? Hey, thats not my phone.
My guess is she didnt figure on them getting a hold of MCs phone and texts since she wasnt using her regular phone.
MOO
@Mockingbird: Your post, I believe, rang loud and clear and true. I couldnt agree more (human resources are the best.)
Grand Jury meets again – KGW
http://www.kgw.com/news/local/Kyron-Horman-grand-jury-meets-again-101339004.html
36.Redrock says:
August 23, 2010 at 4:21 pm
If the cell phones were purchased prior to Terri and Kaine meeting the bus, there is little shelter for her. If they were purchased afterward, it could be argued TH knew her cell phone would be hogged with calls and she needed a reliable way to get access to her closest friends so they could talk. Far fetched I agree. The interesting question then becomes happened to the phones. That is the stuff that makes a conspiracy case if there was malevolent intent in acquiring or disposing the disposables, not to mention potential federal charges of using the wires to facilitate a crime and state charges of tampering with physical evidence (or whatever they call it there).
Yes, definitely. Especially given that we KNOW Terri had her cell phone on, and pinging with her all afternoon.
B
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Blink, The phone was on and pinging. Does LE know for certain the phone was with Terri all day? Could someone else have been driving her phone around?
Possible yes, but doubtful.
B
look everybody….all the discussion about TH and DEDE and the landscapers…..I think it all makes sense but where is the the LE in discussions and investigations into the friends and families of these low lives that may have Kyron…….or maybe they killed him. Why hasn’t Kaine and Desiree figured it out?
@beejay says: August 23, 2010 at 5:47 pm
“Newsatfive and Blink: Are we not supposed to link to satire? I need to apologize if that’s the case. And, apologize again for letting my bent sense of humor out.”
Don’t blame Blink for my mistake. This one is on me.
:-/
Re: Being taken out of the country:
A friend of mine just went overseas with their 16 yo child with passport. She made sure that she had a signed statement from her husband okaying the trip, just to be sure. There are rules about kids being taken out of the country. The hubby was due to join them in a few days.
I do not think Kyron was legally taken out of the country.
beejay, I love the onion.
snap, the 4 and 8 were county roads I think…or were once.
@ 17. beejay says: August 23, 2010 at 11:03 am
It’s lonely out on this limb by myself. But WHAT IF:
I agree with much of this, beejay.
My speculation has been that TH owed Miscellaneous Bad Guy(s) (MBG) a debt of some sort. MBG(s) started by threatening TH and escalated to stealing Kyron.
I imagine it was connected in some way to the MFH plot, but it could be connected to any kind of illegal/immoral activity in which TH would be reluctant to reveal her own participation.
It would follow that Kyron was taken because one or more of the MBGs is a pedophile with a predilection, and it was a way to make a last ditch attempt to either blackmail TH or punish her. I doubt they ever intended to return him. (Very sorry to think that, but I’m afraid I do)
She would have thought Kyron was alive at first. Panicked, called people she trusted to help her, and then tried to act as though she knew nothing to minimize her involvement. Maybe she convinced her friends that she couldn’t trust anyone (pointing to the failed MFH sting), or that she was threatened with Kyron’s death if she went to the police with what she knew. She and her friends feigned ignorance.
I don’t think she *knew* where Kyron was taken. I don’t think she *knew* it would happen that day. I think she probably now assumes he’s no longer alive, and that nothing she does now will save him, and so she’s staying quiet to save herself from any jail time.
It explains DDS staying to protect her, the phones (either to communicate with MBGs or for her friends to help her “find Kyron” without alerting LE), and her previous interactions with LS and the MFH fiasco.
She would only need to tell her friends she fears for Kyron’s life, little Kitty’s life, and/or for her own life. She might even truly be afraid, and with good reason.
I don’t think she’s innocent, but I don’t think she planned or took any part in his kidnapping.
…And I guess I’ll go ahead and “MOO” here, too.
MOO
Blink,
Back to those pesky cell phone pings. IIRC Terri was complaining to kaine and desiree that LE told her(terri) that her pings were not in the locations that she stated she was at.
She said she was at two fred meyers, driving and at the gym. Later..LE requested the surveillance tapes. Assuming she was seen on the tapes where she stated she was.. Then what do you make of the cell phone pings?
Did she leave her cell phone in the mustang?
I don’t recall in the interviews if kaine answered if he drove the mustang, or it is verified that it was parked at intel all day. Not implying anything with kaine, but he could have had someone drop him off at work tHen borrow the mustang to run errands while he was working. Idk.
from caligram August 23,2010
Have you considered posting a message in Spanish? Some readers may have limited English language skills (no disrespect intended). I left Oregon for California in l959. Grew up in Yamhill & Washinton Counties. Know the area. (I know more (limited) Spanish since living in California…place names, street signs, etc.)
A PLEA to anyone reading this: If you have any information that will help find Kyron Horman, PLEASE come forward.
Yesterday I was reading a SMITHSONIAN magazine from April 2008. Blink & friends – check it out. Gustave Couret’s portrait “Jo, the Beautiful Irishwoman”. Or, google Joanna Hiffernan. She looks like a face we’ve seen recently. Eerie. Sad.
from caligram August 23,2010
Have you considered posting a message in Spanish? A reader may not be especially fluent in English. (No disrespect intended) In 1959 I moved to California. (Grew up in Oregon= Yamhill & Washington Counties. Know the area.)Have learned a fair amount of Spanish by living here in Northern California 50 years.
To Blink & friends: check it out. French artist Gustave Courbet’s portrait of “Jo, the Beautiful Irishwoman” Resembles a face we’ve seen recently. Eerie. Sad.
A PLEA to anyone who has any information regarding KYRON HORMAN’S wherebouts, PLEASE have courage to come forth.
As I’ve posted here before “Prescription drugs gone awry” Everyone please be careful.
Don’t want to offend your “reliable source”, hmm?
Who is this addressed to please?
B
@beejay – hey, I don’t think you are alone on your limb, if I may…I think similarly in a lot of ways. Hmmm ,haven’t thought about all the activity on Sheltered Nook that Blink put up, was just attributing that to rural Oregon, where there is a lot of drinkin’ and druggin’ (don’t forget protecting the pot plants) and domestic violence.
Also still with you on the continued nature imagery, waiting for greener grass (oops no pun intended with the last sentence!) But it also might be scary too. LIke what Cathy J said too.
@Mockingbird – yes, quite the cast of characters! (Remember one of the mottos of Portland “Keep it Wierd!) But Kyron did have some good support too, but who did he spend most of his time with in terms of adults? We don;t know what went on there and that is scary now that we are hearing these statements. If a kid is distracted and maybe anxious, one shouldn’t just give him pills, like Ritalin (though maybe some parents want them for themselves, heh? jes sayin..)One needs to find the source of the problem, maybe there are things at home distracting him!
LE are testifying today, they are our hope too. They know so much more, ’cause even a newsperson said they know more than us and LE knows even more. Again proving it, that’s where we’re goin’ now
An earlier poster opined that TMH showed up at her house and was confronted by LS, etc and then started driving around in a panic. If she was afraid of being at home, why did she go back there at 1:21 pm to post photos on FB? IMO she and DD figured out what to do before then and with a solution to the situation in play, she was free to go home and start her 1st act on stage.
aibohphobia says: Christy, Mockingbird and Puzzled~ what “others” are you referring to?
“What if the others, whoever they are, had been showcased as prominently as TH and now DDS . . . “
I can’t speak for everyone, but I took “the others” to mean anyone else whose name is associated with the case. If LS, BP, MC, and Terri’s other girl friends, for example, each had their names and pictures out there on a flyer with a message from LE asking for reports from anyone who saw them or their vehicles at the school, at Fred Meyer’s, at a gym, or anyplace else, or had ever talked, texted, emailed, done business with, or knew anything about them, would that have changed how we think of TH and DeDe?
I think it would have at least created a broader perspective and made people think of more possibilities. The focus now seems so intentionally narrow that I have to hope they have a solid case against someone and are just dragging the media net to get the rest. Either there is something huge we don’t know, or something huge LE doesn’t know – I hope it’s us!
I wonder if John Walsh still believes the media will solve this case.
“Portland, OR– Appearing on The Today Show this morning, John Walsh, parent of murdered child Adam Walsh, discusses missing 7 year old Kyron Horman. While the people of Kyron’s community are being told Kyron’s disappearance is an isolated incident, Walsh states the media will solve this case, as they do 99% of the time.”
http://blinkoncrime.com/2010/06/15/kyron-horman-missing-and-endangered-john-walsh-on-today-show-media-will-solve-this-case/
I just received an automated call from PPS. My heart was racing as I read the caller ID because the last such call I received was back on June 4 to announce that precious little Kyron had not made it home.
The call was letting all parents know about the upcoming “Community Care Day” this Saturday, where community members help landscape, weed, etc. at their local schools to prepare for the new school year. My heart goes out to those who will be working at Skyline Elementary, as it will be a most difficult day for them all.
My heart goes out to the staff, students and parents of Skyline. My heart aches for Kyron’s parents, siblings, grandparents and other family members. And my heart is still ripped in two over Kyron’s disappearance. I pray every day that he will be found and brought home, so his loved ones can bring closure to this nightmare they are living.
Blink – can you please assure people that there ARE cameras being installed at the school – they will be there in time for school to start.
Don’t really want you to post this, but hate to see people make assumptions. Have seen lots of faulty assumptions made about the school and parents.
I could not get a confirmation on that yet. They may not want to reveal a CCTV system, but I will be shocked if cameras, even temporary were not installed on day one of the area of interest. That is SOP.
BB
Marleysmom says:
My question is “was Kyron receiving special ed help and on an IEP, individual lesson plans specifically geared for him?” He may have been thought of as too young to test.
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Since that information would be confidential it should only come from the parents and I didn’t hear either of them mention that. My guess is he does not have an IEP and probably hadn’t been screened for Special Ed. I don’t know exactly what problems he was having, but the process includes requesting a screening, lots of meetings and observations, collecting information, trying interventions, testing, making a determination and a plan – sometimes all that can take most of a school year. (He is not too young to screen for some disabilities depending on what they are.)
Knowing what we know now, it would be hard to rule out other factors (such as family issues) as the cause of his behavioral difficulties (or even learning difficulties if he has any) at school unless they were related to physical needs (such as vision support). I believe he responded well in the right environment, which probably made it hard for others (those creating that environment) to see why he was having problems.
24.MockingbirdSings says:
August 23, 2010 at 11:31 pm
I can’t speak for everyone, but I took “the others” to mean anyone else whose name is associated with the case. If LS, BP, MC, and Terri’s other girl friends, for example, each had their names and pictures out there on a flyer with a message from LE asking for reports from anyone who saw them or their vehicles at the school, at Fred Meyer’s, at a gym, or anyplace else, or had ever talked, texted, emailed, done business with, or knew anything about them, would that have changed how we think of TH and DeDe?
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Thank you for this answer !!!
Thank you Blink for your response.
This link below has the most darling pic of Kyron, look at his little squished up nose.
http://primewriter.com/news-1246-headlines/?p=9084
http://primewriter.com/news-1246-headlines/?p=9084
@ kuaitzudog says: August 23, 2010 at 5:42 pm
“http://primewriter.com/news-1246-headlines/?p=9084″
@ Blink says:
“Here’s the thing. In a situation where it is emergent, God forbid, a family member- without hesitation, I am taking one. That said, I caution all to keep in mind, in some instances, a poly is fallible, and frankly, useless imo, once you get to ‘degrees of separation’ witnesses. LE loves them because they subscribe to their “exclusions”. They are a powerful investigative tool, no doubt.”
IMHO (and only “MHO”), LE might use a polygraph to exclude an individual. On the other hand, LE might also use a poly to launch the inquisition.
From the perspective of a witness/suspect/person of interest, the polygraph can only hurt you. If LE can’t make you talk, but once you begin talking, you make yourself vulnerable in a million ways.
That said, I’m with Blink: If any of my peeps were missing, I would run to the police station and take a polygraph first thing. I’d also gather everyone I know and make sure that everybody in town — from the chamber president to the homeless guy who panhandles by the freeway — was looking for my loved one.
I cannot imagine any family member staying home instead of beating down every door in town. I have to believe there is more to the story about what went down the day Kyron went missing. Otherwise, DH and KH would have been on the street assisting in the search.
I will tell you what it is. This case was believed to be a kidnapping for ransom out of the gate.
B
I have been wondering lately, why didn’t or doesn’t TES go try to find Kyron? they look for other children.
@RichM, Re: Bat Phones
I was thinking on similar lines re the bat phones. If she used them to make calls, and she texted anyone who was using their regular phone, that was later searched by LE, they could track the bat phones. That might be really helpful, particularly if the same bat phones were used when Ky was abducted. I dunno, though…I think these broads (intentionally used as a perjorative) know that cell phones are easily traced, and that they used more than one set of bat phones. Just MOO.
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@ Cathy H- Your theory regarding the possibility of owing bad guys (dope dealers?) money is plausible. I would think that they would take HER child, though, rather than her step-son. I mean…hmmm… if they knew it would be all over the news, and didn’t know that they’d have all day to get away, why not snatch the baby that looks just like her? I don’t know…maybe…maybe…but I don’t think so. I think she knew right from wrong, but was off the deep end (whether over jealousy, hatred, or whatever), and did it herself or had it done.
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As for someone taking him and “stashing” him… I mean… really? At what point would they turn him lose at a police station, to avoid life imprisonment, or kill him, so they wouldn’t be found out? If he is still “stashed,” as in stashed by Terri, what’s the purpose? I don’t get it.
I keep thinking & hearing over & over~ that “no one saw him leave the school” so Did he? Is he there somewhere in the vents-duckwork basement, etc.. some little room in the school (I have never been there so dont know the layout or possibilities) just wondering~! a false wall? handymans room or something like that?
Too all -
Sorry for my earlier rant. I’ve become so emotionally attached to Kyron, I think a lot of us have. It it so heart breaking and since I live up here it really hit close to home. However my last post was in way productive and I apologize. Glad to hear that Skyline is getting cameras, I hope more schools will be able to do the same so that parents and children can feel more secure. I was able to chat with a local cop today about my concerns and he was great, it helped a lot.
My sincere thanks to all of you for putting so much time and effort into this case. IMO, ya’ll are awesome.
Hey all…just checkin’ in real quick. Got a cup of coffee this mornin’ and the creamers are named “lil moo’s” ….so naturally I thought of ya’ll.
Just wanted to say this, while I’ve been out of town on vacation I’ve noticed I am more aware of my surroundings. I catch myself watchin’ children and older folks “just in case” someone else is watchin’ them a little to close. Wonder if any of these folks see me watchin’ children and old folks and are watchin’ ME watch??
There is nothing “good” that’s ever gonna come out of what happened to Kyron, if nothin’ else let’s all be a little more observant and helpful to those around us.
I’ll see ya in a couple of days!
Thoughts and prayers are with Kyron, his brothers and sister.
@MockingbirdSings:
The link I gave on religious prisoners comes up for me. But I went there again and copied the URL again. Try this:
http://www.theonion.com/articles/if-i-hadnt-found-jesus-id-feel-pretty-shitty-about,17883/
It’s under “Opinion” on the top nav. bar. Dated 8-12-10. Titled “If I Hadn’t Found Jesus…”
@twinkletoes:
You’re as bent as me??? There are only 2 people I know who are; now I “know” 3. My brother is one; we share a common childhood; it has made us who we are–damaged, but with a huge sense of humor, i.e., perspective. I’ve worked in the psychiatric field; bro has worked in LE.
The other is my best friend of 35 years who died 2 years ago. The Jesus article made me think of how she’d have busted a gut laughing at it. She was a devout Catholic and devoted her professional life to work with psychologically disturbed folks, esp. families and kids.
The Onion gives me belly laughs. Also came across true-life sources of humor from newser.com and salon.com. From the category of “life is stranger than fiction”
I have been away for a while but returned to read the latest on Kyron Horman.
I was suprised the Grand Jury was still hearing witnesses for this case.
My thought is if they had sufficient evidence to indict they would have done it by now. I don’t think they have enough. For a clear cut case two or three strong witnesses with evidence is enough.
This case against Terri is weak. Sorry to say. I have always wondered if they have focused too much on her?
@riverpearl:
You know, when I read this in the news, I said “WTH”??
“It’s possible Desiree may make an appearance at a Wednesday hearing to go over Kaine Horman’s divorce from his estranged wife Terri Moulton Horman.”
What do you–all of you–think that’s about?
I’m thinking, okay, do I really trust my ex to do that? Maybe in this situation, but WHOA, I’d be nervous.
@amychika:
You said, “And, as for Skyline school – gosh, what a shame that no cameras were installed during the summer…”
Sorry I can’t furnish a link, but I did read a local saying that the offer was made to the school in June by locals to pay for cameras. The school declined at the time.
It’s such a delicate situation for the school system (which is where that decision would be made–not by the individ. schl.). They are so in CYA mode. Actions that make it seem self-incriminatory would be avoided. Parents might be thinking, if the schl. had cameras in the first place….
What concerns me is that so many details about the layout and policies/actual security practices of Skyline Elem. are now all over the internet. If I were sending my kid back there, I’d be doing some community organizing with other parents to bring pressure on the schl. system. Providing “safe rooms” for kids to hide out in and talk about their fears doesn’t address the real issue; it just makes it look like the system is doing something.
If Teri knew enough about cell phone pings then it makes no sense for her to have someone “drive her phone around”. I do think she had her phone with her. So it would ping at both FM stores. After 10am she didn’t think they would focus on where she went since the “crime” happened between 9-10. She might have said oh I drove around here and there to get the baby asleep but in reality she really drove somewhere else … where the “crime” happened.
Maybe between 10:10 and 11:40, the missing time, she turned her phone off thinking it won’t ping. Seems she stuck on stating where she was during that time. She can prove where she was from 9-10, FM and from 11:40 to 12:30, GYM. 1:00-after, at home. It’s the time from 10:10 – 12:30 that’s crucial and Teri knows that it’s crucial and that’s why she is being evasive and it’s that time frame the cell phone pings don’t match.
@sean: You asked, about the landscapers, etc, “Why hasn’t Kaine and Desiree figured it out?”
1. They don’t read Blink!
2. They may have. (Tony probably knows). LE isn’t telling them.
3. Last I heard Kaine say, he thought LE is still trying to determine
WHAT Terri’s involvement is. Ky’s other parents believe she’s
involved; they want the pressure on her. They’ve said they think
she had help. They just want her convicted for whatever she did.
4. Even if they somehow KNEW about sanchez and the boys, they wouldn’t
say so publicly. LE would be all over them. They don’t want to
piss off LE–LE is their only hope for resolution here.