Kyron Horman Case: Terri Horman Attorneys Call Her A Suspect

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In court papers filed Wednesday, Bunch went further, noting that Terri Horman is a “de facto suspect” in the second-grader’s disappearance…”

Portland, OR- In a voluntary appearance in court yesterday for matters relating to the pending divorce motion by estranged husband Kaine; Terri Horman showed her face for the first time since the week after her stepson, Kyron, vanished from Skyline School.

Although Kaine Horman opted to be represented by his counsel Laura Rackner and not appear personally to protect himself emotionally, according to Rackner, Terri Horman braved the fray.

Arriving with attorneys Peter Bunch and Stephen Houze, the trio was immediately met and escorted by MCSO deputies in “the box” formation to the 5th floor courtroom where local media scurried in from behind.  Within 45 minutes, Judge Meisenheimer ruled in Kaine Horman’s favor and granted his request that the issues of the mortgage-sized retainer, allegedly furnished by Terri to Houze and other distribution and custody  issues will be heard in a hearing on October 7, denying her request to have the issues bifurcated.

During the proceeding, Bunch argued that his Client cannot properly litigate the divorce and custody actions currently because she is.”..unable to proceed in the ordinary course to protect her rights as to discovery, property division, support and, particularly, custody and parenting time issues.”

In fact, for the first time publicly, we learn a very important detail about the criminal investigation into Kyron Horman’s disappearance.

According to her counsel, who would certainly be “in the know”, Terri Horman has NOT been named a suspect by MCSO in Kyron’s case, but she is painfully aware she is one.

Loosely translated, a defacto suspect is an unofficially declared suspect, but for all intents and purposes is definitely the target of the investigative crosshairs.

The Microsaccade Moment

Microsaccades are tiny involuntary movements of the eye generally caused by visual fixation.  The result on visual perception can cause the beholder to question if they are “really seeing what they are seeing.”

I had a few of those yesterday while analyzing footage of the day’s events in conjunction with known facts of this case.

They Are:

The MCSO guard detail dispatched at the courthouse assigned to Terri and counsel et al for a family court appearance.  I have spoken with a few local family lawyers who do not wish to be identified, with a combined 26 years of practice.  None have ever seen this practice in a similar matter in Multnomah County.  Specifically, the deputies went inside the actual hearing and waited to escort the trio out the back.

During the hearing, there was not a syllable mentioned about the driving force behind the request for expedition of the case in the first place. The very substantive weight that was used to secure an emergency custody and restraining order, which remains uncontested to date: The Alleged Murder for Hire Plot. Why wouldn’t a family lawyer looking to abate the divorce case strike at the very merits on which the plaintiff’s arguments are based? The plaintiff in this case uses an almost one year old mfh plot allegation, which was not carried out, and no person has been declared a suspect or arrested, to control every filing to date and counsel does not refute the claims therein? What possible reason could that be?

A recent interview with Terri Horman’s son James, in which he states that his Mother cannot have a computer, cell phone, or leave her parents home in Roseburg.

Blink Analysis Editorial: Sealed Criminal Indictment OR Civil Commitment?

A Civil commitment, which would have had to been voluntary, such as a concern for Ms. Horman injuring herself, or some sort of dependency is a possibility, but a highly unlikely one considering she appeared in court yesterday.

Strictly my opinion of course, but based on my microsaccades, I think it is entirely possible that Terri Horman is under a pre-arrest indictment in the matter of the alleged murder for hire plot, or some derivative thereof.

It would certainly be unlikely that she could have been booked and granted bail without a leak, but a sealed indictment, which may or may not include a sealed arrest warrant, would follow Oregon’s propensity to use the grand jury as a form of “preliminary hearing.”  In light of the fact that there is an ongoing criminal investigation into Kyron’s disappearance involving Federal, county and State investigative assets, it would be entirely appropriate.

The public would not know until such time as the indictment and any potentially attached writs are unsealed.  Throw in the possibility there is always the chance that Clackamas County may be the charging county for such an offense and not Multnomah.

In which case, this is about to get very interesting.  Recall MCSO chief Dan Staton saying Clackamas County Major Crimes Team is involved in the case?  That would suggest at least part of a crime has been established in their jurisdiction.  Rudy Sanchez resides in Clackamas County.

Clackamas County District Attorney John Foote and Criminal defense attorney Stephen Houze are well acquainted. You might say that Foote owes his very job to Houze in a way-

John Foote  lost as the incumbent DA in 1996 to his own deputy district attorney Terese “Terry” Gustafson.  Terry was in the middle of fighting an Oregon Bar complaint at the time which cleared her name just days before the inauguration.

The embattled DA did not take long to be the subject of more ethics violations including felony perjury charges for lying to a circuit judge about releasing the file of a juvenile that was ordered to be destroyed. Gustafson was disbarred.

Who filed the Bar complaint who also represented the accused boy who was subsequently acquitted?

Who was the prosecuting attorney for the Oregon Bar?

Stephen Houze.

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1,272 Comments

  1. the queen says:

    bottom line, all this speculation and terri showing up and all of that, kyron is still missing and we still have no clue where he is. heartbreaking!

  2. Ahnnie says:

    @shannon – ditto what shelbar said — thanks, that really helped.

    And shelbar? I lol when I read “clueless doofus language” – prolly cuz I identified with it so much…lolol… I can exhibit major CDT (clueless doofus tendencies) when I am reading this stuff….so thank you to Blinkettes like Shannon and others who translate and show us the light.

    And while I think that everyone is in the right neighborhood now re a lot of what went down here, ie that there is likely a drug/trafficking/underworld element here, I am wondering – like MANY – what the connection is…I am guessing money but am not sure at all where Kyron comes into that – did TH maybe not pay a debt? And the ‘price’ was to start taking kids away til she did? And that is why she made her non-bio kid (Kyron) available as opposed to the bio kids: one got sent away (James) and Kiara is now ‘protected’ by being with Kaine? Could that be a possibility? And maybe that is why it originally started off as a kidnapping – to settle her debt? Altho how we go from TH initiating MFH to this – manymany pieces missing in between. Extortion maybe? Like RS or someone says: you pay me X or I go to the cops with your MFH plot … and then they come up with this kidnapping scheme to get the money to pay RS and Co.??? I think TH got in way over her head in a way she didn’t plan… I think someone else mentioned this: that she thought she was running the show but in the end, she wasn’t. And I am also wondering if that is some of what we saw in that infamous first presser where she just looks SO. FLAMING. OFF. I am wondering if what we saw was a combo of shock, confusion and upset because things did not go according to Plan A and now she didn’t know which end was up or how to act — thus looking at Desiree for a clue to reorient herself like, “oh yeah, I am supposed to be upset” as opposed to “I am reeling because my plan did not come together the way I thought it was going to and it was not supposed to go down this way.” Every now and then you see little micro-expressions of shock, confusion, and surprise on her face. As opposed to Desiree where all you see is distress, dispair, heartbreak.
    MOO.

    How could anyone do this to such a beautiful little boy – Kyron did not deserve to pay for her sins. No child does.

  3. S says:

    hervness says:
    August 26, 2010 at 7:14 pm
    After reading daily, the news of Portland and the gang violence, drive by shooting and homicides, etc., we’ve been able to persuade our “freshman” to re-consider his Plan A and go to Plan B instead… at least for the next year.

    Oh, too bad about persuading your freshman to reconsider. Portland Oregon is a place where a young person can truly find themselves, be who they are, and be completely accepted by everyone. It is a beautiful city where crime is low compared to other cities. It is an extremely progressive thinking city with a clear understanding of what a good city and its citizens “should be.” Portland Oregon is a prime example of a green city with health minded residents. It’s a city of hope and belief in the goodness of humankind. It offers a wide variety of ethnic and cultural experiences (and it’s close to Seattle if you want better art museums). A young person can ski Mt Hood and surf in the Pacific in the same day and go wind surfing in the gorge on the next.

    There is an abundance of news outlets in Portland who thrive on reporting on crime and the juicier the better if you get my meaning. Bad news sells papers and encourages clicks on websites.

    I’m not crazy about Oregon’s primary and secondary education, but I do believe that Reed College and Portland State are really good schools. My biggest complaint about Portland is the traffic. Such a small city should not have the ridiculous jams it does, but then Oregonians never realized they would need more than two lanes. (Plus I don’t think they are very good drivers<–a personal belief of mine.)

    I would encourage your child to attend college and live in Portland. I can't think of a better place to get an education from the books and the people.

  4. twinkletoes says:

    interesting irony: I brought my old wedding rings (his/hers bands) to a gold dealer today and got more than I paid for them. yes I bought them. pathetic. but solid gold. and the price of gold is high so I thought wtf?
    But my point is that I thought of how it would take a freakin miracle and a gun to get that ring back on my finger. if TH was wearing her wedding ring I totally get it from a defense attoney perspective but from the POV of an ex or soon to be, I shudder.

  5. riverpearl says:

    @
    CassieS says:
    August 26, 2010 at 3:42 am
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~
    No room monitor here except for B.

    I posted *before* y’all had posted acknowledgement.
    JMOO some read ‘out of order’, miss postings and/ or read here periodically.
    Once J name starts to pop in, it can start a whole train of J comments. JMOO
    —no disrespect.

  6. Savryn says:

    Blink:

    I am having a hard time understanding why you think LE would have TMH under a “pre-indictment house” arrest. The LE escort yesterday seemed much more about her safety and protecting her from a possible attacker than anything else. Wouldn’t such an escort be necessary to protect such a high-profile defendant who is receiving death threats?

    Also, why not arrest TMH and throw her in jail for the MFH plot? Put a snitch in the cell next to her and see what you can get out of her regaridng Kyron? Its just really hard for me to buy any suggestion that she is cooperating with LE in trying to take down some massive criminal enterprise that is behind kidnapping little Kyron. Unless you have somethign else your not sharing, doesn’t even going in that direction run afoul of Occam’s Razor?

    I do admit though, the reference you make to James’s recent comments is intriguing. I need to go back and check the article again. I remember that refernece but I thought it meant Houze isn’t letting THM use electronics, not that someone else was prohibiting her from doing so.

  7. Julie says:

    Thanks for potentially (since it was speculation on your part) answering the question as to why Terri and her attorneys were flanked by Sheriff’s deputies.

    Interesting theory – house arrest.

  8. Kaylee says:

    I brought this over from the other thread.

    MockingbirdSings says:
    August 26, 2010 at 2:23 pm
    “It makes me want to get a bunch of you together with a truck(s) and our cars and go try to reenact the whole thing to see what works and what doesn’t – especially if LE would give us the ping locations and we could time it all in different ways. Probably take a whole weekend, but I’m not good at visualizing 3-D things (loved algebra, hated solid geometry), and I feel like it would help me a lot!”

    I’m in! Except I’m going to the beach this weekend so I can’t do it then.

  9. cw says:

    Just a good read…
    “Today’s FBI takes a far different approach. The policy and guidelines for missing children have changed. Whenever a young child goes missing, it is presumed the child has been abducted until we investigate and it is proven otherwise. That’s because if a young child really is abducted, time is critical.”
    http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100826/ap_on_re_us/us1965_kidnapping

  10. Falstaff says:

    I might have accidently sent a comment, dog ran over me and computer, hit send button maybe? Please just erase it. Thanks

  11. Eloise says:

    Thank you Blink & etal, love new threads.

    I believe the circumstances went along these lines:

    “Your client Mr Houze is going to be implicated, if she talks, we will let her stay at home under these circumstances until the indictment is handed down, otherwise, we will take her in now”, per LE/DA.
    She is talking and they are not letting ‘them’ know she’s talking.
    I wish she would talk about Kyron.

  12. Sue says:

    “Holds” for county inmates are holds for other crimes that an inmate has to answer to if the inmate bails out on the present charge. If a state inmate (sentenced to prison time) has a hold, the hold would be the fact that he/she is a State inmate and has to return to State prison if sent to the county jail for court appearances. Even if the county inmate does not bail out on the present charge but is released on the present charge and has a hold, then he/she is returned to the county jail after court to be held to answer to the “hold” charges.

    In the federal system, a hold is not necessarily for other charges elsewhere. It could be that the federal inmate has a “hold” in order to remain in custody for questioning as a material witness to a FEDERAL crime. The “hold” is added to the original charge to ensure the federal inmate remains in the custody of the FBI until they are finished questioning or some other determination is made.

  13. Dirty_christians says:

    from the Portlander:
    Can we have the list of law enforcement agencies that have assisted in the Kyron Horman investigation? WOW.

    Gresham Police, Fairview Police, Troutdale Police, Portland Police, Port of Portland Police, Clackamas County Sheriff’s Office, Clackamas County DA MCT, Multnomah County DA’s investigators, Washington County District Attorney’s Office, Washington County Sheriff’s Office, Gladstone Police, Oregon City Police, Milwaukie Police, Canby Police, Lake Oswego Police, West Linn Police, Vancouver Police, Hillsboro Police, Beaverton Police, FBI, DEA, ICE, Secret Service, DOD Defense Criminal Investigative Services, Oregon DOJ, Oregon State Police.

    Can I ask you to do me a favor?
    I find your “hat” offensive. No disrespect and this is probably the first time I have ever asked this, but would you mind choosing something else?
    B

  14. riverpearl says:

    I also believe as I have said previously there are parallel investigations going on.
    B

    Multiple investigations, multiple agencies, and nobody knew about it until BOTH suspects were arrested. It was merely an example of the recent usage of a sealed indictment. There are a few other options, but I believe we are in the right ballpark.
    B
    ~~~~

    Refresher of the ‘multiple agencies’ involved:

    **I have changed the order of how the Sheriff answered so anyone can see how each dept connects to city/county/state involved**

    Q&A written answers from MCS Staton 7/23/2010.

    Q: Can we have the list of law enforcement agencies that have assisted in the Kyron Horman investigation?

    OREGON:
    Multnomah County DA’s investigators, (Also Mult. Co DA’s-just not mentioned), Gresham Police, Fairview Police, Troutdale Police, Portland Police, Port of Portland Police,

    Clackamas County Sheriff’s Office, Clackamas County DA MCT, Gladstone Police, Oregon City Police, Milwaukie Police, Canby Police, Lake Oswego Police, West Linn Police,

    Washington County District Attorney’s Office, Washington County Sheriff’s Office, Hillsboro Police, Beaverton Police,

    WASHINGTON:
    Vancouver Police

    FBI, DEA, ICE, Secret Service, DOD Defense Criminal Investigative Services,

    Oregon DOJ, Oregon State Police.

    This list does not include search and rescue resources.

  15. Futureman says:

    Blink wrote: “Can I ask you to do me a favor?
    I find your “hat” offensive. No disrespect and this is probably the first time I have ever asked this, but would you mind choosing something else?
    B”

    I believe there is a Christian ministry consisting of off-road enthusiasts called ‘Dirty Christians’ (I’m not kidding, in case anyone is inclined to doubt me based on previous posts). The moniker could be in reference to that organization.

  16. lyla says:

    Ultimately, I believe TH is responsible for Kyron’s disappearance. I have faith in our investigators, I hope justice is served and the family has closure. We are getting closer to the ….truth. Patience all.

  17. mosaic says:

    As my kids have now started back at school, I think how hard it must be for Kyron’s parents to face this new milestone….summer ending, school starting back up.

    The entire summer is gone for their young boy. And now, as all the other students head back to school, moving up into the next grade, I can’t help but feel that time is passing along without Kyron.

    What a profound heartbreak that must be for his parents.

  18. Jeff D says:

    It is tough sloggin’ here sometimes…but a real value to our culture..

    Noun

    doofus (plural doofuses)

    1. (slang) A person with poor judgment and taste

    Stocks Genius or Dot-Com Doofus? – Wired News
    Danny is such a doofus!
    [edit] Synonyms
    * (person with poor judgement and taste): boob, dolt, blockhead, lowbrow, oaf

    —the above from wiktionary——————————————
    —below from chairman of the remedials——————————-

    nah…nobody here fits this definition….doofus is the wrong word….

    I AM establishing a blinkapedia though….our hostess has used “oy vey”…..”y’all”….and your”you’re” 8-)…all in the same blog

    God Bless the small, the weak, the innocent
    Lest we forget

  19. riverpearl says:

    @
    CassieS says:
    August 26, 2010 at 8:26 pm

    On my way to work today, I was thinking, because of an abusive situation I was in many yrs ago, that given the nature of the cycle of abuse “beast” and I honestly think they have been involved in this ~ It just escalated (it always does) far more than they had thought it would…!! I really think they are beginning to miss it-yes, kaine too~ in the weird way this cycle works~ Just not totally sure as to who is the abuser (could be both) or who is the victim(could be both) They both strike me as awfully contolling individuals
    Anyway they might just be missing one another about now (no one said the cycle is normal)and timewise are ready for the Honeymoon stage~~~~ ~Just thinking
    I know this sounds strange but even perfectly sane people sometimes step backwards & seek contact & kind of miss the cycle of abuse-honeymoon because that has been the format of their relationship.

    The abuse-honeymoon phenom is very real, and very, very toxic. Good Point.
    B
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    Remember the KH statement (my paraphrase)…”Whatever is broken, we can fix, later”?
    Remember we all were saying he WAS talking to TMH?

    Maybe you are onto a piece of KH/TMH relationship….?

  20. DE says:

    @GraceintheHills says:
    August 26, 2010 at 8:34 pm

    Thank you for the answer. We have heard little from Houze, and of those few comments he stated his client was receiving death threats. As this was Terri’s first public appearance since the family press conference, it struck me that Houze might have requested the additional protection because (1) he truly believes his client is in danger and (2)it visually strengthens his previous statement. Although, because I believe Blink has a lot more information than I do, I follow her lead in her assessment of what may be happening more than my own.

    And, as this is my third comment on Blink’s blog, before I submit another comment and forget my manners I want to say thank you to Blink for maintaining the substantive integrity that is this blog. Daily, I check the local print and tv news sites and then hop over to check in here.

    Ty.

    But I have to say, I could not locate a family lawyer in this situation that would advocate a security detail in uniform, attending the hearing, and within the jurisdiction of where the base allegation was made.

    In essence- who thinks it looks good to have your criminal atty attend your divorce proceeding, with MCSO deputies on you like a cheap suit? Nobody.
    B

  21. mosaic says:

    “Without hesitation or reservation, Terri Horman created this situation willfully or unwillingly.” –B

    What is so frustrating is that even if she created the situation unwillingly, she would have at least an inkling to what happened to her son or what might have prompted his disappearance.

    So let’s say the worst case is true and some “bad guys” took Kyron because of Terri (for whatever reason). For the sake of her son, WHY did she not offer information to help find him? Even if it paints her in an unflattering light or reveals some nefarious activities on her part? Because she cares more about her own butt than her sons?

  22. zeus says:

    “While I am making a wish list, I wish this never happened and Ky was safe and sound.”
    B
    *******************

    I hear you Blink. That is my wish also. I have two grown sons and this case has kept my guts twisted into knots since it began. My amazing young men are 21 and 28 now and I would do anything for them. As far as I’m concerned, I was given this tremendously amazing, wondrous gift-my children. They are my life! How could anyone be dumb enough or uncaring enough to put their kids in precarious situations? I just can’t wrap my mind around it. I know it happens every day, but I still can’t comprehend it.

    TH may have thought she was harming (inadvertently or not), only Kyron-but she took down James and Kiara too. I hope she understands now what she has done to all her children, by exposing them, even briefly, to truly bad people. She may have planned this, or she may just be an insensitive, needy, nympho, narcissistic, whacked out, clueless *itch-but either way-she effed up big time and her life as a mother is over.

    To me-that is the WORST punishment of all…

  23. Madilu says:

    Thought provoking article -thanks Blink. We have had an unusual amount of spiderwebs this summer in Portland…(literally). Scary to think that this nasty web is much bigger than originally thought.

    1. Oregon is no-fault state for divorce. Therefore, why would attorneys bring up the alleged MFH? Petitioner’s ‘grounds’ are essentially irrelevant for the divorce proceeding, or?? Even inadmissible as an argument for continuance? I can understand that the alleged MFH would be important to note when filing tho, given that KH requested an RO simultaneously under the Family Protection Act… Please clarify if you are able!

    2. I ‘get’ the security measures for public appearances, but does it not stand to reason that if she were under some true ‘house arrest’ of a sealed indictment of some nature as a ‘cooperative witness leading them to the big bad criminals/traffickers,” then would not her home be protected 24/7 as well? Media would have definitely caught that action. Still seems it may be more likely that attorney let her know -”do it my way, or I walk. And my way is that you lay low, no PC, no phone. Period.” And she knows she is guilty [of something] therefore following his strict advice??

    3. Where’s Ky???????? Why is no one out physically searching for him? Does this tell us a story? Does this imply that they know he is not gone and dumped somewhere?

  24. Teri says:

    Well I am certainly learning a lot here – it gets less confusing all the time. Earlier in the Summer Blink had indicated feeling that Kyron was no longer alive. Given the passage of time with no sign of him that becomes statistically increasingly likely. I am wondering, though, with this new larger “view” of the case and the speculation that LE may be trying to take down some of the biggest fish involved (like traffickers, drug dealers and their ilk to whom Rudy may be linked) whether Kyron’s chances of having survived would be higher than previously thought? I am just thinking that if he was passed down the line into trafficking and the associated $ was realized by the perp, he would likely be alive somewhere right now (although under unthinkable circumstances, to be sure). If anyone of you know the stats on how long a paying perv keeps a kid around – well, I am afraid to ask, but if it gives hope we should discuss it.

  25. Madilu says:

    1. Any hunch as to why a criminal defense attorney would even appear at an [ordinarily] simple civil divorce hearing to discuss a pending motion/dates? Bunch could have just appeared alone, as did Rackner. (?)

    2. Or even, for that matter why secure a criminal attorney just 3 weeks after Ky went missing(?) Perhaps originally she hired him for the MFH plot allegations -okay felony = “conspiracy/accessory to commit murder.” Maybe there in fact WAS a sealed indictment, which necessitated her securing counsel at that time, and everyone just assumed it was all about the disappearance….

  26. angelab says:

    Thanks to all who “translated” the legal stuff. I only got part of it, too. If TH is under house arrest, which makes sense to me, then where does this leave DD? Left to make her own deal? Or is it anyone’s opinion that DD has said more than we know to LE already? I mean something really useful, like the truth.

    and Blink, knowing what you know now do you think Kyron could still be alive, just being “held” somewhere? TIA.

    Sadly, no.
    B

  27. Eloise says:

    As I have stated before, I am still on the fence about TH’s exact involvement, ie: she requested this measure be taken, or she was involved in bad things and had the rug pulled out beneath her.
    Whichever, I still have trouble with her not coming clean immediately, so that increases her culpability for me.
    Below are 2 articles that provide info, not any good info. But, I thought it may prove interesting in possibly seeing what LE etc may be up against. Speculation on my part of coarse.

    http://www.pbs.org/wnet/wideangle/episodes/dying-to-leave/human-trafficking-worldwide/mexico/1456/

    http://www.catholicsentinel.org/main.asp?SectionID=2&SubSectionID=35&ArticleID=9786

  28. Newsatfive says:

    @ lily says: August 26, 2010 at 8:41 pm
    “newsatfive – thanks for the search suggestion because it turned up this great article. I might be in love with Schrunk:
    http://www.oregonlive.com/news/index.ssf/2009/03/influential_multnomah_county_p.html”

    That’s the article I was referencing.

    I concur with your assessment. Schrunk is an amazing public servant. He’s also not a showboater. (Never worked for him; am not related to him; and I still do not have a horse in this race.)

    He is also delightfully understated in interviews, when he gives them.

    And I love the idea of a “shame memo.”

  29. starshadow says:

    “The news stations were aware of WHAT in advance- link?
    Yes, apparently you missed the “defacto suspect” verbiage in Bunch’s filing. That would be the concrete your looking for.”

    Both KATU and one of the other stations (don’t remember now which) both had banners stating that she would be escorted, with no actual news article attached. The KATU banner (was in red, at the top of the screen, but the link just went to a page with all previous stories, nothing new) was there for at least an hour before it was reported that she actually arrived. One of the other stations finally put a banner up, same thing, no actual story, about 15-30 minutes prior.

    The actual text of the banner on KATU’s site changed. First it was future tense, then it changed to present, then it switched to past with a link to the article, then it was gone with just the regular article remaining.

    Probably wouldn’t have even noticed, but I was refreshing while waiting for news on the local wildfire.

    As for de facto? Dominant, obvious, arrived at by popular opinion. Assumed, but not official. All of which one would have to be pretty much oblivious not to notice by now – so can’t see why it would be of interest that he acknowledged it. I’d find it a lot more telling if he’d tried to downplay or ignore it entirely.

    Your interpretation is not accurate in this situation, most specifically, your ignoring the impact of the fact those words came form her own counsel.
    B

  30. Satori says:

    Blink,

    While I am not the person who wore the hat “Dirty Christians,” I fully support your request if you feel the same about a “hat” that ridiculed Muslims OR ANY OTHER RELIGION. Perhaps you could have made that clear in your post about any future RELIGIOUS digs, but you did not.

    Honestly, I am from a “Christian” family and I have NEVER encountered so many evil-minded people. But my offilation and practice that is line with your sensitivity should matter not.

    Thank you.

    I referenced the hat chosen, period. Any religious permutation that might offend me or others would be unwelcome, and I am confident Blinkers know that emphatically.
    B

  31. evie says:

    lily says: August 26, 2010 at 8:41 pm
    “newsatfive – thanks for the search suggestion because it turned up this great article. I might be in love with Schrunk:”

    lily girl, if you ever met him, you would be for sure.

  32. CassieS says:

    @ Puzzled
    I am sorry,but I managed the Deli for Safeway near Lloyd Center & I would call that anything but safe.. or affluent & that was a couple of yrs back~ much worse now…Security got upset with me cuz I walked un escorted from the store to my vehicle~apparently someone would hide under the cars & slash at the womans ankles & then attack… The morning I transfered to another store the cashier closest to the deli was robbed at point blank gun & a gun chase was pursued ~(unwise) by safeway employees (I had been tending the cases just about ten feet from the cashier when it happened ~ pretty scary~! I guess study the areas in a city especially nowdays if your loved ones are going to live there.

  33. S says:

    Madilu says:
    August 26, 2010 at 11:18 pm

    1. Any hunch as to why a criminal defense attorney would even appear at an [ordinarily] simple civil divorce hearing to discuss a pending motion/dates? Bunch could have just appeared alone, as did Rackner. (?)

    I think it’s either a)Houze does want his presence known (a nice way of saying he is a tiny bit of a showboater or b)SHE IS UNDER ARREST!

  34. minima says:

    Haha ditto SHELBAR! and thanks SHANNON!

    although, i must say i am in the camp that is still confused on where all this leads to, and the connection to kyron. argh! drugs, money, tafficking, sexual motivation, illegal immigration, oh my! i just want kyron found! and i hate to think about all the players and selfish crazy motivations that led to his disappearance. today i will say BOO, instead of MOO. sweet kyron.

    @S: i agree portland is a WONDERFUL place. i feel very safe here, surrounded by a warm sense of community, progessive ideas, acceptance, and pride. the only thing i will disagree with is that we have great primary schools; families are really involved in many of them and raise funds religiously that makes up for the serious lack of tax dollars for education!!! secondary, not so much. but thanks for such a lovely description of our beautiful city and community.

  35. Kleat says:

    Nice insight, Blink. There were more guards around Terri H. than in other cases we’ve seen with a person in custody.

    Would there be a transfer point at the outside of the doors to the courthouse, to where Houze would have agreed to deliver his client and the sherrif’s would take control/responsibility of the ‘de facto suspect’ at that point?

    If anything were to happen to Terri Horman on the sherrif’s watch, the answers to where Kyron is, may never be revealed.

    This lawyer is not pulling a Baez. He will do what’s in his client’s best interest if she is involved. (one hopes)

    Excellent Question Kleat-
    Yes, there was. There was a call to the “detail” as Houze et al was arriving, they met at Bunch’s VW.
    B

  36. enumclawrose says:

    IMHO TH is a material witness and one time participant in a human trafficking ring. She was not afraid of the LS when he came to her house demanding money. She could tell it was a setup. She was already ticked off because she never got her money, she absolutely did not owe any money. She provided to commodity and trusted the criminals. Terry got burned and she deserved it. Kyron did not deserve any of this.

  37. L.B. says:

    I suspect TH wears her wedding ring either because she is (emotionally) not yet ready to take it off — despite appearances to the contrary (a MFH plot seems a pretty good indicator the honeymoon is over) . .. . or to send a specific signal — that is, “this divorce is not and was never something I looked for.” I also believe Houze is going to be joined at the hip with her, no matter how routine the proceeding — it’s his signal to the court and law enforcement that says “no funny business, I’m on top of things — always.” And, if perchance, questions had arisen pertaining to the MFH plot, he would be able to respond to that.

    I moved to Portland years ago and love it here. I think one would find a criminal element just about anywhere.

  38. Dierdra says:

    Hi Blink, it has been a while read all the time. I cannot help myself as I still and always did think Terri is responsible for this child being missing. It is so sad for all the children in america that things like this are happening. Keep us up I love checking you out. I am a HUGE Caylee advocate and Haliegh one also. I check here . God Bless!!!!!!!!!!!!

  39. Satori says:

    Blink,

    Any new person to your site, or any person familiar with your site for a period of time does NOT necessarly understand your sentiments with respect religion one way or another. Your assumption that everyone understands / or should understand you and your followers at first glance is a clear mistake and/or arrogant — if not cultish in portrayal. Don’t assume that every single person who reads your site understand your out-look or perceived out-look on religion. That is absolutely ridiculous.

    I am absolutely open to corrections and apologies when one makes mistakes and/or improper assumptions.

    ========================================

    “I referenced the hat chosen, period. Any religious permutation that might offend me or others would be unwelcome, and I am confident Blinkers know that emphatically.
    B”

    All religions welcome, how is that? However, if it is not relevant to the topic, whether that is a person’s religion or a recipe they tried yesterday, it has no place here. This is a true crime site, which I freely admit slants to victims and advocacy for same, which is my focus over witty barbs and banter about minutia and erodes time I already do not have.

    Let’s move on, thanks.
    B

  40. Whaazupwitchu says:

    Blink, please feel free to hold if you like.

    We have quite the cast of characters and there are probably many more that we don’t know about who are connected to this case.

    I don’t understand why TH didn’t have an ankle bracelet if she was on house arrest and in that case she should’ve spent some time in jail and have been arrested? It would have gone so nicely with her new black suit. PART of it was she was dying to get out of that Roseburg house and if this was the only way she could do it…

    Skye at TrueCrimes said there was definitely steroid trafficking going on here somewhere in this case and apparently it is a bigger issue world-wide than I had thought. This is a general article, there are more like these on ‘net.
    http://www.kolotv.com/californianews/headlines/9965896.html
    Not specifically Oregon, but we do have our share of fitness buffs here

    It feels good to feel the legal wheels rolling and that we have such a strong DA.
    Now back to the clues, what about this Pumala/Fuhrer family? Did they have the connection to get a boat to help dispose of evidence or something? Could the grandma have been in the truck? Was TH involved in her “business dealings” with them? They are sticking out like a loose hair as we have been pining this down (some other ones too). I remember all those 911 calls to Sheltered Nook, not just to Horman residence, what was going on there? Pot growers had been mentioned when LE was searching.
    Re: PDX – it has its underbelly like any big city, but in Portland, we try to expose that belly (no play intended with the nude beaches!) and have a lot of “alternative” papers that would do that if they could catch the leak – Hard to do, we know
    Washington Co. now looms in my mind where something very foul happened involving Kyron’s final hell, but of course they could be involved for the other trafficking too
    Just how big, how bad and extensiveis it?
    How many will head to “the big houses” as they call ‘em. If the female gardeners would qualify, here is a good place for them, tho’ they may need more security – supposed to “rehabilitate people” as well as punish them these days, ya know.
    http://www.portlandtribune.com/news/story.php?story_id=128138362467856500

  41. CassieS says:

    @riverpearl~
    Well, I believe the time posted has something to do with moderation & if you are posting in the west ~east~cental~ south or northern areas of our big big world? I know that you posted after I had posted to B.
    No disrespect here either :-)

  42. CassieS says:

    Doesnt really matter

  43. melissab says:

    Oh Shelbar, thank you ever so much for requesting the piece to be translated into clueless doofus language! I was too embarrassed to ask and didn’t know anyone else here spoke ‘cdl’!

  44. MockingbirdSings says:

    http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/08/terri_moulton_horman_creates_s.html

    http://www.katu.com/news/101511664.html?tab=video

    I’m still mulling over what I got out of this exercise, but there are 3 brief videos included in the 2 links above. Try watching them with the sound off and looking only at the deputies’ eyes, NOT Terri.

    I have seen DHS child abuse or custody cases in Multnomah Co. where one or both parents came in chains from jail for the hearings. Each time the woman came with 1 deputy, the man with 2 – 1 sat on a bench behind and the other to the side where he could see the man’s face. Each time the deputies eyes were always on the person they were escorting.

    I realize this is a different situation altogether, but guarding Terri as a suspect (arrested or otherwise) in a criminal case is not what I see when I watch their eyes. Wondering what you see.

    You may be right. However, keep in mind that if she is under a sealed indictment, the last thing they want to appear as is her “guard duty.”

    B

  45. MockingbirdSings says:

    http://dirtychristians.net/

    Blink –
    I’ve been seeing th dirty_christians name used to post after news stories about Kyron a few times. Decided to Google it. No idea whether it’s truly connected to the website, but it’s the only place I’ve found it.

    I agree it doesn’t come across well if you don’t understand it – caught me off guard when I read it, but I can see from the website what is intended. Perhaps there’s a better way to express it when it isn’t attached to an explanation or in a part of the country where they are already known?

  46. Riverpearl says:

    On KGW 11pm Newscast,
    DY & KH will jointly talk with individual news stations as well,the
    News Conf tomorrow.

  47. Justalurker says:

    Interesting theory, Blink, to tie up the observations about the sheriff escort to and from the hearing and James’ remarks about TH being without a phone and computer. I also noticed something else and perhaps it’s really nothing, but it sounded odd to me. In reading KATU’s version of the hearing story today (http://www.katu.com/news/101511664.html), I noticed that Kaine’s attorney in a statement to the judge about the Houze retainer issue, made a curious reference to “murder investigations”:
    She said, “I don’t mean to suggest that Mr. Houze is like a fancy car. He’s a very fine lawyer and murder investigations are very time consuming to defend. That’s a very large retainer but I don’t find it outside the realm of possible.”
    She didn’t say “murder for hire” — she said “murder investigations.” So, perhaps that is what she believes happened to poor little Kyron.

    I think she was backing up the fact that he gets that size retainer in general, is known to defend murder cases, and to plant the seed with the judge, rather obtusely, that Terri Horman might be engaging him for same, ultimately.
    B

  48. Nancy says:

    SM is referencing a blog (written today) from a website run by True Nelson, a former FBI agent and a current PI in Portland. He states the following:

    “The Grand Jury apparently has been dismissed without bringing forth a ‘true bill.’ This has probably something to do with the prosecution’s inability to define the crime. I’m not sure if and when the Grand Jury can be reconvened. I suppose that after a period of time a new Jury would need to be selected.”

    Blink, have you heard the GJ has been dismissed without a true bill?

    http://trueattrue.blogspot.com/2010/08/kyron-horman-dog-days-part-v-law.html

    Wrt to Kyron’s case, I have not.
    B

  49. Riverpearl says:

    Added note-
    News Conf Tomorrow=Friday, Aug 26th

    (I am on the west coast, so 3 hours added to my post time)

  50. amychika says:

    I suppose we know there is no requirement for electronic monitoring for TH since she wore a skirt & heels to court yesterday.

    That was the first thing I looked for.
    B

    Look at the wrists

    Funny you should mention that. I have, and I concur, sleeves were on the long side.
    B

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