Kyron Horman Missing: Case Review And Birthday Wishes To The Frog Prince

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On what is Kyron Horman’s 8th Birthday, the Skyline School, where Kyron was scheduled to begin the third grade, is buzzing with the start of the years activities without him.

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In response to the disappearance and presumed abduction of the bespectacled herpetologist; Skyline has implemented a myriad of mandatory safety features as well as a state of the art security camera system. While complete with facial recognition capability, one face it will not be recognizing today, is that of Kyron Horman.

 

Although missing since the morning of June 4, 2010, there have been no updates from the many State and Federal agencies participating in the criminal investigation of his disappearance since August 12, 2010. 

 

Adding to the mounting concern about the status of Kyron’s fate are the words of his own parents, Kaine Horman and Desiree Young.

 

“The police will not stop until they find Kyron and the harder they have to search–the harder this will get for you,” wrote Young. “You will go to jail and whoever has been helping you will have to talk police or they will go to jail.”

 

It is clear from Kaine and Desiree’s comments that they believe Terri Horman, Kyron’s step mom, is at least partially responsible for Kyron vanishing. While they stop short of naming any possible accomplices, Rod Underhill, the chief deputy district attorney of Multnomah County, Captain Jason Gates, Detective Bob O’Donnell of the Multnomah County Sheriff Office have sought the publics help to flush them out. Multnomah County Chief Deputy District Attorney Rod Underhill said a witness, or witnesses, have reported seeing someone else by the Hormans’ extended-cab pickup while it was parked in front of the school between 8:15 a.m. and 8:45 a.m. on June 4, the day Kyron disappeared. In what was characterized as a slip-up, methinks that that Kyron’s Mom told us that someone was actually Kyron.  

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While Terri Horman is holed up at her parents newly refinanced home in Roseburg and under the mortgage-sized retainer protection of Stephen Houze; she is awaiting the September 21st contempt hearing  for allegedly violating an order that she not disclose the “sealed” reasoning for, or contents of,  the current restraining order in effect against her.

 

Accomplice, Witness, Opportunist or Collateral Damage?

 

 

Rodolfo “Rudy” Estrada Sanchez

 

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 Rudy is the owner of RS Landscape Maintenance and the alleged former landscaper/ love interest of Terri Horman.  He is also the man who says Terri Horman asked him to murder her husband Kaine late last year. Investigators clearly believed his story as it was the basis for an attempted sting on June 26th by MCSO including an undercover DEA agent. Sanchez, wearing a wire, demanded a $10,000 payment from Horman for services rendered, except Kaine was very much alive. As the information gleaned from Sanchez provided to Kaine Horman indicates this alleged “contract”discussion with his wife happened over 7 months ago, it is unclear what the payment demand could actually be for. Sanchez testified before the grand jury on August 4. While the content of his testimony is secret, the fact that whatever he testified to outside of pleading the “On the advice of counsel I plead the 5th and hereby assert all of it’s protections.” grants him a level of immunity, in addition to whatever he may or may not have already been granted by the District Attorney.

When reached at one of the numbers records show is billed in his brothers name, Jaime Estrada Sanchez, who uses the name Jaime Estrada on his carpet cleaning business website declined to comment to blinkoncrime.com and the number has since been disconnected.

 

Speaking on the condition of anonymity, a close family friend who has since been interviewed by the FBI, has confirmed that Terri Horman is pointing her finger directly at Sanchez. She has also stated that she and Sanchez had an altercation after she attempted to end their relationship in May which ended in a 911 call and a visit from Clackamas County Sheriff Office in the presence of Sanchez’s wife and children. While it did not result in any charges, Horman told the source that the landscaper was furious with her because he is not in the US legally. While blinkoncrime.com has not been able to verify the date of the alleged 911 call, we have been able to verify that Terri called her Mother immediately following the incident and told her that Kaine had found out about the landscaper she hired to do what she referred to as “her yardwork” and when she informed him that she could no longer use him because Kaine was making her fire him, he lunged at her with Kiara in her arms. Kaine Horman denies the couple ever hired the landscaper as well as any previous information as to his estranged wife’s possible dealings with Sanchez.

 

It should be noted that Mr. Sanchez has not been charged with any crime in this matter and local references to his business are highly complimentary. In fact, Jean Ann Van Krevelen a friend and “mentor” of Dede Spicher has used RS Landscape Maintenance on a few occasions, leaving positive reviews on the ServiceMaster listing which deleted his business from the site on 6/21/10.  Heather Walters, owner of Rosemont Farm,which is not West Wind Farm, where Dede Spicher was working the morning of June 4th and out of reach by phone from approximately 90 minutes, has never met Terri Horman or heard of their family prior to Kyron’s disappearance. When I asked her if she knew Rudy Sanchez or if she ever hired his firm to work at WWF, she replied “not that I recall, no, but we did have a blackberry clean up a few years ago so it is possible.”

 

Anselmo Sanchez-Sanchez

 

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 As reported on blinkoncrime.com, Anselmo was booked into the MCSO on July 8, 2010 on a hold from the US Marshall Service. He was held until August () and returned to Federal custody in Sheridan. While residence records and a private post to blinkoncrime.com indicate the Sanchez’s know each other, at a minimum, it is unknown if Anselmo has any direct connection to this case. What is known, is that Anselmo Sanchez a/k/a Freddy Atristad Sanchez has been in Federal Custody since March 4, 2010.

 

 Or has he?

 

 

Although records indicate that he was placed under post probation supervision by ICE on February 19, 2010, according to Mr. Sanchez-Sanchez Federal criminal docket after being “found in the US and apprehended” in  August 2009” following a previous deportation in 2003, he was “administratively arrested” on February 23, 2010. A Federal Grand Jury’s subsequent indictment was issued on March 4 and he was immediately incarcerated.

 

Mr. Sanchez-Sanchez rap sheet includes convictions for rape, failure to register as a sex offender and a host of probation and parole violations prior to his deportation.

 

In what can only be categorized as a bizarre coincidence, Oregon BOP VINE network shows that on June 26, 2010, they very day of the “sting” involving Rudy Sanchez, Anselmo was transferred and released to “community supervision”.  There is no record of either his transfer or his booking by MCSO July 8th on his docket. What is reflected on the record for June 21st, is the US Marshall Service requested a rescheduling of his plea hearing on July 1st   - July 12th directly with the presiding judge outside of his Federal appointed defense attorney.  Yep. Exparte.  Mr. Sanchez attorney Allison Clark used the 7/12/10 court date to file a motion to quit the case.  They have subsequently worked through their differences and were scheduled to appear yesterday, but a 4th continuance in the case was granted to reschedule for October 7, 2010. In that motion, Ms. Clark asserts that Mr. Sanchez has been in custody the entire time but that his records are difficult to retrieve so more time to prepare for trial is necessary.  I’ll say. 

 

 

 

 

Dede Spicher

 

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Doppelganger. Organic Gardner. Jilted girlfriend and support network for Terri Horman.

Up until a few weeks ago, she was also very much the object of accusation by Desiree Young and Kaine Horman, as well as the investigators assigned to Kyron’s case. So much so, they released a flyer featuring the ginger ladies and the infamous white truck. LE has subsequently backed off of Spicher and publicly stated they do not believe it was her in the white truck in the lot of the Skyline School. Dede’s father is a semi-retired Klamath County Sheriff deputy. If it can be confirmed Spicher knew Kyron was missing on June 4th we have a very big problem.

 

Blinkoncrime.com is in receipt of a private post through a mutual friend of Dede’s in response to an article about Kyron’s disappearance from the school which was post on June 4th at 11:40PM

 

Spicher responded on June 5 at 7:44am: Holy Crap! I KNOW this boy!

Mutual Friend, June 5, 1:35PM: no way???!!! Really Dede?

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Michael Cook

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The source of both information for the contempt filing and hundreds of sexts exchanged between he and Terri Horman following Kaine Horman’s filing for divorce and leaving the marital residence as advised by MCSO, Michael Cook was a high school classmate of Kaine Horman.

 

Mr. Cook is also one smarmy dude if his former spouse Shannon has anything to say about it.

 

Oddly, blinkoncrime.com has learned from an inside source that Cook was not called before the grand jury to testify. In the instant action for contempt, Kaine Horman’s attorney Laura Rackner specifically references the “sexting” and the text regarding Houze’s fee as information provided by law enforcement. 

 

So, was he acting as an agent for le or is he himself under investigation?

 

Jason Wishert

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William Jason Wishert is undoubtedly wishing he had not interjected himself in this case. Apparently new to the blogosphere via a request from Maxine Bernstein of the Oregonian, Mr. Wishert took to what he saw as his *nuveau*cause*celeb* status with moxy.

 

 

That was until he announced his appearance on the scaredmonkeys.net forum to answer questions about the case and cry the blues when he accused the Oregonian of using his rough notes to skewer Dede Spicher.  According to Wishert the “not a lot of kissing but plenty of telling” memo was not supposed to be published.  About 3 minutes into his introduction to his “sleuthing public” Wishert was asked why he spelled his name incorrectly and if he was indeed the son of convicted child porn possessor William Kent Wishart.  In a really bad move, Mr. Wishert denied the allegation and retreated with his tail somewhere on his person.

 

Kent Wishart, former CEO of Graphic Sciences, is in Federal Custody for the next 4 years for possession of child porn and engaging in a file sharing subscription for same. Jason’s brother Grant is an employee of GS.  All three Wishert’s hold numerous active and inactive business licenses throughout Oregon and Washington.  Graphic Sciences has a Mexican affiliate office.

 

Both Jason and his brother James Grant have had numerous legal entanglements (editor’s note: say it just like Chief Margie with the flat “a”) and our attempts to substantiate Jason’s claims about court appointed child advocacy certifications have yet to be confirmed.

 

However, with his Uncle John Kerr, Jason Wishert is heavily involved in the Friends of Pimpollo Charity which sponsors various children issues and an orphanage in Mexico.  FOP is a verified charity with a 50% tax deduction rate according to IRS Publication 78 in good standing, but they are years behind in their annual reporting.

 

Birthday Boy and America’s Frog Prince

 

Today, Kyron Horman’s eigth birthday, may not bring us any closer to where our frog prince is, but we do wish to extend our thoughts and prayers in celebration of his special day to his parents, friends and family. There are 2 celebrations for Kyron today. The picture below is an image of the birthday invitation chosen by his Mom, Desiree Young, and designed by scaredmonkeys poster Brandi.

 

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Images by Klaasend

Jason Mateos, Madeline Tanner, and Laura Cincaid contributing editors to this report

 

 

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2,948 Comments

  1. puzzled says:

    GraceintheHills says:
    October 7, 2010 at 5:19 pm

    Correct me if I am wrong, but saying RS is involved in an ongoing investigation does not necessarily mean he is the subject of said investigation. I have always been intrigued by the fact that a DEA agent accompanied RS on the sting. I am still wondering if RS may be a confidential informant and/or material witness, hence the shielding from exposure. The prosecution sure seems to be going to lengths to make sure he is out of reach.

    ~~~

    this is my quandry … is Rudy Sanchez aka who??? a good guy?? as in working as informant on bigger issue pre-Kyron abuduction .. with DEA?? (but how does sexting/affair with TH fit in) OR is Rudy Sanchez aka a bad guy … but why is he out and about and why wouldn’t he know who and where re: Kyron??? and what’s his real name if not Sanchez??

    everyone notice multiple LE at the doors of the courthouse …

  2. MissMonkey says:

    @ riverpearl says:
    October 7, 2010 at 6:42 pm

    Totally had a WTH moment when I read that too. Why would a step-parent, unofficially but quite obviously, suspected of involvement in the child’s disappearance get any custodial time??

  3. panda says:

    Of course this is a total coincidence but thought I’d pass it on. Maybe someone has caught this before but I couldn’t find it. Did a search on Lisa Fuhrer and found a page with a comment about herself and her son Tanner. There were links to some of her friends. One of those friends had an interest in Wiccan. So ran a search of Wiccans in Portland and got a hit for a meet-up group — Westside Witches.

    http://www.meetup.com/Witches-of-Cascadia/calendar/14849577/

    Westside Witches meets at Cornelius Pass Roadhouse: 4045 N.W. Cornelius Pass Rd.

    Plug that into google maps and it comes up as being right next door to the FM on NW Imbrie. That’s FM #1.

  4. megan says:

    @ Puzzled- my belief is that RS is a bad guy. However, I think that when the walls started crashing in on him he possible cut a deal with LE. I do believe he had inside contacts prior to the KY abduction with LE. I also believe that these contacts tipped him off prior to LE approaching him. Possible, RS was able to “clean-up” anything that did associate him with KY and he just opened up about what he did know about TH to turn the spotlight off of him. You don’t want to mess up the Mexican Mafia they are just as dangerous here as they are in Mexico. But this is all must MOO.

  5. Satori says:

    Wow, with all the gardners in the Portland area, how appropriate for the Mayor to be referred to as the “Gardener in Chief!”

    http://eastpdxnews.com/general-news-features/scores-of-volunteers-help-replant-earl-boyles-community-garden/

  6. riverpearl says:

    Would HOUZE be so SLICK as to get Bunch to get “some part/ or all of the criminal investigation reports” so he (Houze) could see what evidence that have on TMH ? (YOU THINK…)
    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
    “If the family attorney stipulates to an immediate divorce and Oregon is a no fault divorce state, why does it matter that the family law attorney can’t get access to the 911 calls or RS’s address? … any relevance to the divorce, custody or property? That they concede that TH is the subject of a criminal investigation…”
    panda says:
    October 7, 2010 at 3:56 pm

  7. megan says:

    Is it true that statute of limitations for KH and DY to file against PPS for the disappearance of KY is six months from the time of event June 4th? If that is true, do you think that the investigation will be wrapping up within that six month period as well so prior to December 4th? This may also be why the divorce proceedings are postponed for as long as they are?

  8. NelMel says:

    @MissMonkey says:
    October 7, 2010 at 7:52 pm
    Totally had a WTH moment when I read that too. Why would a step-parent, unofficially but quite obviously, suspected of involvement in the child’s disappearance get any custodial time??

    -Child custody in my state, if not all states, is a separate hearing in Family Court. A parent must petition for two hearings, for example, concerning child support and child custody. Two separate issues, often two different judges. In these situations, and in divorces in county Supreme Court (divorce itself is a third function and not held in Family Court), a parent who might seem to be the worst risk for contact with his/her child will receive supervised visition 99% of the time. If that same parent is eventually charged with a crime and arrested/arraigned, that visitation continues if the parent is released on bail. Exceptions to this would require a new hearing as requested by the other parent. Additionally, no matter what the other parent or other parent’s lawyer claims about the accused parent, unless a mother or father has been convicted of a crime such as child abuse/neglect, murder, rape, arson (big offenses, in other words), visitation will go back and forth in a series of hearings to update the terms of visitation. Law Guardians, in every child custody case, are appointed to interview the children.

    Thus Terri Horman, at least in my state, would have parental rights, and would nearly certainly be granted supervised visitation with Kiara until such time that she is either arrested and kept in jail, or arrested and out on bail. At that time, Kaine would need to return to Family Court to have visitation stopped, and in MANY cases, he could not succeed in having it stopped. He would probably see a Family Court judge modify visitation — including a supervising adult or court personnel taking Kiara to visit Terri in jail as she awaits trial.

    This is something most people despise about the Family Court system, because there are plenty of cases in my area of parents keeping visitation — modified and supervised — while on trial for a crime, or while in jail awaiting trial.

    It takes an extraordinarily awful offense — such as the killing of that child’s sibling by the parent, as in the case with one sad story up here — to have a Family Court Judge deny ANY visitation to a parent who’s charged with a crime or on trial for it.

    Parental rights are extremely powerful forces in our legal system. They do protect parents from bogus accusations, such as the estranged spouse who accuses the other of sexual abuse of the child.

    Unsavory events and ick behavior notwithstanding, Terri Horman will probably get some form of supervised visitation with Kiara…unless it is revealed that LE has sealed its case and charges her for the death of Kyron Horman.

    Terri’s rumored sleazy behavior — doesn’t matter if she attended orgies — will not eliminate her parental rights 100%.

  9. Grey says:

    @Skyline Parent
    Here is a closeup of the man in the photo. It is enlarged and lightened. Hopefully it is enough for you to recognize.

    http://i937.photobucket.com/albums/ad220/GreyDoodles/mancloseup.jpg

  10. GraceintheHills says:

    38.puzzled says:
    October 7, 2010 at 7:41 pm
    “this is my quandry … is Rudy Sanchez aka who??? a good guy?? as in working as informant on bigger issue pre-Kyron abuduction .. with DEA?? (but how does sexting/affair with TH fit in) OR is Rudy Sanchez aka a bad guy … but why is he out and about and why wouldn’t he know who and where re: Kyron??? and what’s his real name if not Sanchez??

    everyone notice multiple LE at the doors of the courthouse …”
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
    Puzzled, We are so on the same page regarding RS but after hearing what was said in court today, I just get the distinct impression that this man *may* be valuable to the prosecution. Not that I am saying he is not involved in the disappearance. I think he could be involved, just out of the “cross hairs” at this time. In other words, LE may not believe he was the architect of this plan…OR he could play a major role in a parallel but related investigation. Moo….

    Re: the show of LE at the courthouse doors–in my neck of the woods this is very common in high profile cases. If you notice, when TMH’s car arrives, LE can be heard telling press photographers to step back. Aside from that, IMO, LE realizes that her safety may be at risk each time she appears in public.

    Again, just my two cents worth….

  11. lyla says:

    @Satori says:
    “The Mayor was Johnny-the-Spot, big time. Why? Is this really normal for him? I get the feeling it isn’t. It seems that there was some aid in keeping this person’s identity unknown. It SEEMS to me that clearing this man in the photo was the Mayor’s true agenda, even though he brought attention to him.”
    ————————-
    Excuse me, but Sam Adams is an arrogant A H. jmo

  12. S says:

    Looks like Bunch and Houze will get their hands on evidence relevant to the abduction investigation which has been used in the divorce proceedings. Blink warned of this and a friend’s daughter who has been a paralegal for several years said one of her bosses said Kaine’s divorce attorney would ultimately hurt the prosecution in the abduction case. I had no idea what she was talking about then, but it makes much more sense now. As far as RS goes, I thought it was common knowledge that he was using an alias and was a little confused by the research going on of any and all Sanchez’s in the area. I’ve also never seen definitive proof that he is married to a Mexican woman and for some reason, I keep thinking he is married to an American.

    It is entirely understandable they wanted to pressure Terri and wanted to speed up any possible forthcoming information, but now I wonder, if by being so aggressive, if Kaine’s attorney has really thrown a wrench into things. Seems like a lot of running and stumbling going on.

    I am pissed that the article from this morning was re-written. From now on, I will copy and paste what I read. I realize they may have decided the information they published could put Desiree over the edge, but I feel like it is the media’s responsibility to be accurate. I feel cheated to have been given some new information and then to have it taken away. This is not a communist state and I don’t believe LE has any right to dictate the editing of the news. (I’m guessing it was the source who strong-armed the re-write) Guess I’d better flush my idealism down the toilet.

    I felt like the information from this morning’s article was relevant. I thought about what could have been discovered last Wednesday to prompt new searches of Sauvie Island. I was thinking it could have been something as innocent as a resident testifying that they did “see someone parked in a purple Camry throw something into a ditch” on SI and LE knew that car to belong to an associate of RS or something like that. (This is speculation, there is no purple Camry in real life)

  13. Barefoot says:

    The question: If Terri’s money for her attorney was not a gift or a loan, what was it?

    I hate speculation, but here’s a speculative answer: Maybe it’s “payment” – in other words, maybe Terri is selling her story and in return, a publisher or producer is paying her attorney fees.

    If it’s not a gift and not a loan, what else could it be?

  14. Satori says:

    Lyla,

    I never implied he wasn’t. lol

    ======

    lyla said:

    Excuse me, but Sam Adams is an arrogrant A H. jmo

  15. puzzled says:

    GraceintheHills says:
    October 7, 2010 at 8:40 pm

    We are so on the same page regarding RS but after hearing what was said in court today, I just get the distinct impression that this man *may* be valuable to the prosecution.

    ~~~

    I’m beginning to believe this is the case .. that RS is the chief witness against ???? but if he didn’t take Kyron and Blink says Ky didn’t leave with TH … who else is involved??? we’ve been dicussing this phantom 3rd person for a while, yet we still don’t have an inkling as to who it is.

    Interesting that the criminal case won’t let the civil case anywhere near RS.

  16. loreli48 says:

    Abatement until Jan., 2011? I’m so sick to my stomach. Funny how the monsters who deserve no protection get it all while an innocent, sweet angel gets none. I want to puke. If she gets visitation with her daughter I will lose ALL faith. My heart is so heavy right now. This will definitely be a sleepless night. What a bunch of BS. Poor Kyron. Sweet boy. MANY, MANY prayers for Ky tonight. Love you little guy. I’m gonna go cry now…….

  17. beejay says:

    Rodolfo S. Estrada a/k/a Rodolfo Sanchez a/k/a Rudy Sanchez.

    And if you were just trying to find out his previous location (as opposed to his current, unknown whereabouts), that’s a piece of cake compared to finding: Elsy Mejia-Sanchez a/k/a Elsy Mejia-Puerto a/k/a Elsie Mejia and so on. Not to mention her husband.

  18. alwayssunday says:

    We have already determined that Rudy Sanchez is aka Rodolfo Estrada, Rodolfo Sanchez, and is on record under a host of other names all consisting of similar composition…..Blink, can you tell is if our list incomplete?

  19. Valkyrie says:

    With all this talk about Sam Adams, I can only conclude… the mayor did it!
    Sorry, I couldn’t resist:)

    With regards to Sauvie Island, once it was reported that the teams were searching 3 areas, and since 3 points make a triangle (ping ping), I figured that the search was cell phone related. There might even be a (defunct) disposable phone buried somewhere in that bramble.

    If I were going to stash something I didn’t want anyone at home to know I had, I might keep it in my gym locker. It’s easy enough to pop into the gym, and there’s always a reason to be there. Of course, not every gym has monthly use lockers like mine does. At some gyms, the locks have to be removed overnight.

    @GraceintheHills: I agree LE at the doors is likely bc it’s a high profile case. Emotions run high, people make pointless, threatening statements. No jurisdiction wants to deal with something happening to a “not suspect” on court property. It seems to me there has been a serious consideration for liability issues throughout this case. It may not be appear that way to some, and others may view it more as conspiracy/cover-up. But to me it appears all the agencies involved have behaved responsibly and professionally. Some LE agencies (FL, you know who you are) could use a lesson on loose lips.

    I guess now I’m supposed to say “MOO” but, for the record, MOO is flexible and may bend to the winds of circumstance when an investigation changes course.

  20. CassieS says:

    This just sucks that politics & re-election have to even be thought of here ~! Especially that inefficient person , Sam Adams ~! My goodness, we have heard more of him lately than the whole time he has been in office except for his pervertiveness~ He is trying to play “catch-up” for a job badly done ~ IMO~ That is why he has “done?” so much lately~!!!

  21. Montana Mom says:

    If the man in the plaid shirt in Kyron’s tree frog photo was the one to take Kyron, TH would have seen him since he is in the room at the time of the photo, facing her, yes? So…would TH not have known him? Then how would Kyron have known him? Or are you thinking she knew him, saw him, became flustered and left right after that photo was taken?

  22. alwayssunday says:

    I wonder if the reason TH didn’t argue the restraining order in the beginning was because she knew she’d probably be required to pass a drug test (some states require them if a parent has supervised visitation). Just wondering aloud on that really…

    I think it’s entirely possible that Terri herself was already under investigation for some sort of drug related crime(s) and Kyron’s disappearance happened in the middle of it all. I suppose it’s possible that RS could have been working undercover. In any event, even if he didn’t start out on LE’s “side”, I bet he is there now. He’s not been arrested, the press are being tight lipped on him and he has been before the Grand Jury.

    I sure hope that the January 2011 date that the Judge set was based on inside info. I hope it means there will be an indictment and she’ll be behind bars and there will be no need to evaluate custody and financial issues….hey, a girl can dream!

  23. LurkingLiz says:

    This might be old news, but the Skyline Elementary newsletter announced there will be a two-day search surrounding the school area this weekend. They were asking for donations of provisions for search crews (nothing homemade please and individually wrapped). Will this be in addition to Sauvie Island or instead of?

  24. cartwheel says:

    since terri was not surrounded by sheriffs today, i’m wondering, blink, if you have an opinion as to why the difference from her last appearance.

  25. CassieS says:

    @Montana Mom, It has to be Sam Adams in the background pic ;-)

  26. amychika says:

    from today’s katu “…she (TH) had hired someone to kill him.”

    now, question is to kill whom? Kyron or as it was earlier alleged, Kaine? or both of them?

  27. puzzled says:

    S says:
    October 7, 2010 at 8:50 pm

    As far as RS goes, I thought it was common knowledge that he was using an alias and was a little confused by the research going on of any and all Sanchez’s in the area. I’ve also never seen definitive proof that he is married to a Mexican woman and for some reason, I keep thinking he is married to an American.

    ~~~

    call me slow, but I had no idea RS was using an alias other than the mix & match of his surnames, and certainly had no idea he was married to an American. How do you know this? Not disputing it at all, I just never read this before. WOW

  28. pdxgirl says:

    Totally blown away that the man in the science fair photo is coming up again. It was seeing ripple effects from Sam Adams’ tweets that first got me really interested in this case. Several of my friends follow Sam on Twitter and reposted his plaid shirt man tweet on Facebook back in June, and it caught my attention.

    I found it strange that public agencies were asking help identifying that man several weeks after Kyron’s disappearance. I figured there was no way in hell that guy could be involved if he allowed himself to appear in the viewfinder of Kyron’s stepmother’s camera that day. How does that make any sense?

    Also, if he is involved, what in the world is Terri up to with those photos? Did she know what was going to happen when she snapped those pictures? That the plaid shirt man was going to take Kyron? I know Blink is going to roll her eyes, but it really makes the CSI shirt seem very bizarre once again.

    I also think I’m starting to lose my head because the girl in the photo is looking a lot like Jamie Mejia to me. Probably just me being meshugge.

    May there soon be a resolution to this horrible tragedy…

  29. Skyline parent says:

    Re: mystery man in the pics. Call me crazy, but I really think those are 2 different guys. The guy in the pic without Kyron does not look to me like he is wearing a flannel shirt – plus he looks taller than the other guy. I might know who the non-flannel shirt guy is, but the resolution is pretty poor, so I can’t be sure. If its who I think it is, he had a kid in Mrs. P’s class last year and he is around a lot, so I don’t think its supicious at all that he would be there (and now that I think about it, I call BS on the idea there were no male chaperones). As for the other guy – I’m not sure I would recognize my own husband seeing that little of him. The little girl doesn’t look familar and looks too young to be in that class, but she could be a younger sibling.

  30. enumclawrose says:

    So much to take in today and last night. I have many MOO’s….

    First, I don’t think RS is undercover, I think he and TH have been pointing their fingers at each other. Trouble for TH is she’s doing it within her circle of supporters and RS is doing it directly to LE. (I’m sure that’s the discovery information Houze is chomping at the bit to get at, to defend his client and spin it on RS, but not today, he may have to wait until formal charges, or at least January.)
    I am sure LE knows where RS is every second of every day.

    There is the truth and then there is the story someone wants us to believe is the truth. That is where our theories coming crashing together full of holes.

    Blinks response to krowdkat 09/19 11:19am
    Two nearly identical white trucks-
    One parked in the rear, and Terri parked on the shoulder.
    B

    That means that someone was seen putting the note/message in TH’s truck on the shoulder. My guess is that person came from the parking lot in the vehicle they are still trying to identify.

    Ky left in the truck parked in the back.
    Who’s white truck was in the back?

    If plaid shirt guy was a POI for LE, they wouldn’t want him to think so, especially right out of the gate, in fact quite the opposite. I think LE would lie to us, if it meant keeping this guy from leaving town or lawyering up. The news articles did not read he is honoring LE’s request to keep silent, NO, it read he somehow chose to stay out of the limelight. Why not make a statement, like, “I just saw the little guy that morning, getting his picture taken, can’t believe this has happened.” I think he is POI #3.

    Satori, I understand if you aren’t at liberty to explain your AAAHHAA moment, but I am still not sure if it has resonated with me or others unless it is what I just concluded.

    beejay 10/07 9:39pm
    ROTFLOL! We have been a/k/a’ed all over the place.

    It did occur to me though, to go beyond the Estrada-Sanchez name and start back with Anselmo Sanchez-Sanchez (a/k/a Freddy Atristian Sanchez, Freddy Atristan Sanchez, Jose Martinez Sanchez, Atristian Freddy Sanchez, Atristan Freddy Sanchez, Freddy Sanchez Atristian, Freddy Sanchez Atristan) if he is indeed related to RS, perhaps there is a variation of RS we have not heard yet.

    All of this is my humble opinions and if plaid shirt guy in the picture is some innocent person at the science fair, then I hope you will forgive my frustration and accept my apology.

  31. melissab says:

    Just a thought and nothing important…the pic here of RS with the little girl to the bottom right does appear to be with him and does look somewhat Mexican/American. Guess he could be married to a American.

  32. MockingbirdSings says:

    Grey says:
    October 7, 2010 at 5:03 pm
    To search for specific things in the comments:

    @Grey – I asked the question so I’ve just gotta jump up and down and say thank you! You have helped a lot of us, I’m sure.

  33. cd says:

    NelMel says:
    October 7, 2010 at 7:36 pm
    I believe a post I wrote within the last week either didn’t show up or for any other reason just isn’t here, but while everyone across the country is trying to decipher the results of the divorce hearing today, I’ve read some comments that bother me.

    I do not live in Oregon. But in my state, what happened in the Horman case today is straight up. Terri Horman has not been charged with any crime. The fact that people want her to be guilty and punished already is moot. Her rights — just as anyone’s rights — cannot be ignored/denied merely because people believe she is behind Kyron Horman’s disappearance. And yes, a divorce is often all about money, and why shouldn’t it be? Marriages have financial issues, each and every one of them.

    Is Divorce Law in Oregon suddenly supposed to be completely ignored, or even fabricated, in Terri’s case merely because people are convinced she’s guilty of a horrible crime? No.

    She has parental rights concerning her daughter. She has a right to use an attorney’s skills to protect her rights. She has not been accused, arrested, charged, arraigned for any crime. It does not matter that some folks believe she has committed a crime.

    No one outside LE at this time has any clue on Kyron’s fate, location, or what exactly happened to him on June 4 and thereafter. No one outside LE knows who LE believes has committed an actual crime — never mind who they know might be just a morally disgusting person who has actually not committed a crime.

    The prevailing wisdom isn’t correct. An innocent person should NOT “tell everything they know” and should never not hire a lawyer. Innocent people have been slandered, smeared, libeled, arrested for crimes they did not commit, and no doubt there are innocent people in prison or jail tonight somewhere in this country who are waiting for an appeal, a DNA exoneration, something, anything, to help free them. I have no idea if Terri Horman has committed a crime. I have suspicions. I have hunches. But I have no facts to tell me specifically what she has or has not done. The people who have such information are keeping it on lock down for a reason. I don’t even know the reason for the secrecy about TH or anyone else in this case. It’s not my decision to make. I have no control over the information feeds out of this case, and nearly 100% of those who follow this case so closely also have no such control.

    From what I could see, the divorce process with the Hormans is SOP. That might enrage some people who want TH burned at the stake, but if we as a country permit a Terri Horman to be the first person to have all her rights stripped away — only because people say that she’s guilty of Kyron’s disappearance — then some day we will be the next person who’s rights are taken away from us.

    Our system of justice has its dents, but it protects both the accused — in order to make sure that punishment “fits the crime” — and it protects the falsely accused, the victim of planted evidence, the person who was drummed into a coerced confession…all of these people exist and all of them, in the United States, have legal rights in our courts.

    We cannot make the demand that today, TH should have somehow been brutally punished in divorce court. The laws of this country and of the states exists to be applied to all citizens, whether we despise them, distrust them, hate them, or want them executed before they’ve even been charged with a crime.
    ——————————————————————————–
    @NelMe Thank you for your post. If we start persecuting people in this country for things that we believe they might have done, then what is the point of having a justice system at all? I also think Kiara should have her own attorney to look out for her welfare. I don’t think it is in her interest to not allow her to see her mother. I believe that visitation is being used as another way of putting pressure on TH. I think that KH and his lawyer are acting in KH’s interest, and not Kiaras. Supervised visits for Kiara with her mother probably would be reasonable. JMO

  34. Riverpearl says:

    Just a heads up—> NEW BLINK Kyron thread. See y’all there.

  35. Satori says:

    Enemclawrose and All,

    Here is exactly they way the comments transpired between Fitz, Newsatfive, ME, and Blink. I have stated very specific things that some may or may not agree with. But I stated them, which led to a comment from Blink. Read through it:

    =================================

    Satori says:
    October 5, 2010 at 11:34 am
    Fitz,

    That is a very interesting scenario you bring up. So, are you saying you understand that Terri heard mention of someone saying that Kyron was seen with a male chaperon and was merely repeating it in an email she wrote — I believe — versus her directly seeing this?

    ================================

    fitz says:
    October 5, 2010 at 7:44 am
    I’ve had a strange feeling about the “man chaperone and 2 girls” sighting with Kyron on the 4th. If RS is involved could he have still been in custody of his 2 girls and they attended the fair and made off with Kyron. Noone seemed to put much stock in the sighting but it was a witness from the fair, not terri, who saw them. If he arrived with his girls it would make him less of a threat to kyron and other parents would brush him off as a parent from the school. JMO

    I think it is interesting that the only comment the Mayor ever made publicly on this case was about the ID of the older man in Kyron’s display pic. I understand he has been located, sticks with me though.
    B

    ====================================
    Newsatfive says:
    October 6, 2010 at 10:41 pm
    fitz says: October 5, 2010 at 7:44 am
    “I’ve had a strange feeling about the ‘man chaperone and 2 girls’ sighting with Kyron on the 4th. If RS is involved could he have still been in custody of his 2 girls and they attended the fair and made off with Kyron. Noone seemed to put much stock in the sighting but it was a witness from the fair, not terri, who saw them. If he arrived with his girls it would make him less of a threat to kyron and other parents would brush him off as a parent from the school. JMO”

    Satori says: October 5, 2010 at 11:34 am

    “Fitz,That is a very interesting scenario you bring up. So, are you saying you understand that Terri heard mention of someone saying that Kyron was seen with a male chaperon and was merely repeating it in an email she wrote — I believe — versus her directly seeing this?”
    Blink says:

    “I think it is interesting that the only comment the Mayor ever made publicly on this case was about the ID of the older man in Kyron’s display pic. I understand he has been located, sticks with me though. B”

    I agree that the guy in the photo would seem to be a likely suspect, especially given that nobody has ID’d him publicly, and because Mayor Sam Adams made such a fuss over him (three tweets in a one-minute time span?!)

    The last time Mayor Adams got that excited, it was Gay Pride Week! Or was it over his backyard chicken coop? Nevermind.

    Sam Adams posted links to “help find Kyron” articles and websites early on (total of three tweets on June 6 and June 8). Except for those six tweets, nothing else.

    If the guy in the photo is the person with whom Terri left Kyron (presumably so that she could do whatever Terri does all day), then the man in the photo is the vampire Blink mentioned previously. He isn’t someone Terri necessarily knew well, but at least well enough in “Terriland” — say 10 minute? — to leave Kyron with him.

    I recall reading somewhere that the Sheriff’s office was looking into the guy in the photo. I have not seen anything credible to indicate that the sheriff’s office has identified the man.

    I’ve seen speculation posted about what the sheriff’s office concluded, but nothing even close to credible.

    Putting it all together, if the guy in the photo was involved, wouldn’t he have a connection to Rudy? Just as important, if Desiree knew the identity of who Kyron left with, and that ID lead Desiree to believe Kyron was alive, then what does that tell us about the guy in the photo?

    Here are the tweets from Our Saint of Perpetual Tweetdom, Mayor Sam Adams (twitter.com/MayorSamAdams):

    MayorSamAdams
    PLEASE RT: Help Mult Co Sheriff find missing 7-year-old boy Kyron Horman Photo & Story: http://bit.ly/95nuNa tips: 503-261-2847 10:18 AM Jun 6th via TweetDeck from Hayden Island, Portland PLEASE RETWEET: Help Mult Co Sheriff find missing 7-year-old boy Kyron Horman Photo & Story: http://bit.ly/95nuNa tips: 503-261-2847 10:16 AM Jun 6th via TweetDeck

    MayorSamAdams
    Help Mult Co Sheriff find missing 7-year-old boy Kyron Horman Photo & Story: http://bit.ly/95nuNa tips: 503-261-2847 #pdx #fb 10:19 AM Jun 6th via TweetDeck from Hayden Island, Portland

    MayorSamAdams
    6-8-2010 Still Missing: Kyron Horman tips: 503-261-2847 poster: http://bit.ly/bM5vJI update: http://bit.ly/afxUJv #fb 6:03 AM Jun 8th via TweetDeck from King, Portland

    MayorSamAdams
    Please retweet. RT @PDXsays: Do you recognize the man in this photo (2nd photo down in story)? http://bit.ly/anVz0r #pdxsafety #Kryon #PDX 12:51 PM Jun 22nd via TweetDeck

    MayorSamAdams
    Please retweet. RT @PDXsays: Do you recognize the man in this photo (2nd photo down in story)? http://bit.ly/anVz0r #pdxsafety #Kryon #PDX 12:51 PM Jun 22nd via TweetDeck

    MayorSamAdams
    Do you recognize the man in this photo (2nd photo down in the story)? http://bit.ly/anVz0r #fb 12:52 PM Jun 22nd via TweetDeck

    NOTE: I don’t have anything against Mayor Sam Adams. He sounds like he’s an interesting character in an office that has attracted its fair share of characters over the years. I’m quite sure he would be a lot of fun at dinner parties, for sure

    =====================================

    Satori says:
    October 7, 2010 at 12:23 am
    Newsatfive and Blink,

    While I studied Blinks comments related to the stranger in the photo and the Mayor’s only comment on the case, I am AMAZED how this comment truly escaped ME of all people!! I did not come to any sort of conclusion. And yes, I have heard quite a bit about Portland’s “Mayor.”

    HOWEVER, when I read Newsatfive’s latest post on the strange man in the photo, chills wentup my spine. And I stopped to post this before I ever finished reading. I needed time to ?????

    Back to reading…..

    ========================================

    Satori says:
    October 7, 2010 at 12:51 am
    Blink, Newsatfive, and All,

    This is the way it is. Always, when I study something intense, it requires a day of rest for my brain to assimilate the information. It processes in the night. That is way, crash studying really does not work …not for me anyway.

    When I read Blink’s initial comments on the Mayor’s limited response on Kyron, it did not really resonate — perhaps largely because I was already processing a boat-load of opposite information. The very funny part is, I questioned the powers that be in the very beginning. And after sleeping on Blink’s statement, coupled with Newsatfive’s input……oh yes, why Mayor. Why comment on that one and only solitary man in the photo of potential opportunists to dismiss? Boots? Anyone?

    I get the feeling that is all I need to know.

    Satorie is a smartie.

    Evaluate a person’s intentions-

    Then what they actually say.

    B

  36. Satori says:

    Additionally,

    I think the questions posed in my last post are fundamentally important. I am asking valid questions coupled with a LARGE amount of suspicion.

  37. Wordweaver says:

    NelMel said:
    NelMel says:
    October 7, 2010 at 7:36 pm
    I believe a post I wrote within the last week either didn’t show up or for any other reason just isn’t here, but while everyone across the country is trying to decipher the results of the divorce hearing today, I’ve read some comments that bother me. (snip)

    Thank you for the voice of reason and justice — no matter what others might think about certain people and what they are deserving of. Our system of justice, however flawed it might sometimes be, must be preserved because our freedom — for all of us, the good and the bad — is at stake. And that’s not something I EVER want to lose.

  38. forgot says:

    the ls may be the one in jail in NYC .that may be the reason Terri’s lawyers can’t find him..

  39. lyla says:

    @37.forgot says:
    October 8, 2010 at 10:43 am
    the ls may be the one in jail in NYC .that may be the reason Terri’s lawyers can’t find him..
    —————————————
    RS is missing??? Where have I been? Blink, is he still cooperating?

  40. GraceintheHills says:

    38.lyla says:
    October 8, 2010 at 1:42 pm
    @37.forgot says:
    October 8, 2010 at 10:43 am
    the ls may be the one in jail in NYC .that may be the reason Terri’s lawyers can’t find him..
    —————————————
    RS is missing??? Where have I been? Blink, is he still cooperating?
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    Lyla, I don’t think RS is actually missing. It’s just that the D.A. is under no obligation to TMH’s lawyers to give out his address.

  41. Newsatfive says:

    Kat says: October 9, 2010 at 1:30 am
    “I still think TMH tried to meet up with ‘The Vampire’s Minio’” at FM #1—her frantic behavior, making an alibi for herself were all part of how she was ‘handling it’. Because she and DDS tried to open a PO box at the UPS store, I think that was a meeting place from previous rendez-vous times—and maybe she THOUGHT Ky would be there, but no—so, go to rendezvous spot #2, no dice. She and DDS would have to work on this alone. Whatever THAT was.”

    Do you have a source for the information about Terri Horman and DeDe Spicher trying to open a PO Box at the UPS Store? Also, which UPS Store?

    The only source that I can find for this information is that godlikeproductions.com forum.

  42. Bradon says:

    In MHO, TMH had discussed her life with RS and how much better it would be if Kyron were out of her life. The MFH is a LE decoy. RS said he could find some one to kidnap Kyron and make it look like a sex crime case. Agreement was that TMH would never know when Kyron would be removed from her life. When the day occured she would be given confirmation with an item, ie Ky’s glasses, to confirm they have Ky. The morning this occured, according to other posts, TMH panicked and wanted to change her mind. She tried to find Ky with the help of a friend. At some point she may have been told that he would be on the bus home, she would just have to be calm and not tell anyone. No one would ever know he went missing if she did what she was told. When Ky was not on the bus, according to reports she lost her composure and became hysterical. The bus driver calls the school to let them know that Ky was not on the bus. LE gets involved and Ky must be sacrificed. Just another theory to add to the list.

  43. JusticeNinja says:

    Brandon-
    That is the most logical explination I have heard to this date.
    Any more info you have on this would be good. I will get my team to look into this too. Thanks again
    JusticeNinja

  44. Bradon says:

    JusticeNinja
    I look forward to reading what your team can dig up. Bradon

  45. mel says:

    Is DeDe the “mystery lover”?

  46. redrose says:

    Does anybody have an idea of who RS might REALLY be?

  47. xlax says:

    I don’t know where the rest of the people are with reviewing the original time line and fact in the case. No ransome note has been revealed by the police. maybe there is one maybe not. The problem with the timeline resides back at skyline elementry school. That is where the cover up was. Kryon was checked as absent that day by the schooL. put it in quotes thats what you read. Kryons jacket and backpack sat on his chair or desk in the classroom the whole day he was marked as absent. Then later on after a huge search dubbed the biggest in oregon history, two staff or teachers come up with the story that they say kyron’s step mother leave with kyron though the front or side door. No video cameras at the school. Only the school staff knew that. How would the step mother know where the one camera was or was’nt? Its kind of normal in portland public schools to blame parents when there is a problem and with proper advance legal consultation one is told in the union to have more than one witness to make a statement which is one reason police officers offen do things together in pairs…matching stories as wittnesses…you know. I know how that works…. Here is the problem. first the bus arrives and the step mother does not find kyron on the bus…very surprised. The school is in absolute panic mode. Two big public referendi are up in the school district as this is all happening one for 500 million dollars to rebuild old schools and one just a huge multi million dollar school levy for the union’s benefit.

    The biggest problem is some 7-9 year old friend of Kryon says he last saw kyron at the school” going down stairs to view an electrical science experiment” translation: an adult was involved -electrical and 2. that the child witness who saw Kryon going down stairs was not as interested in the kind of science that kryon was. Why would a 7-9 year old make that kind of story up? and why would that be in conflict with the testimony of two adult staff or teachers who say they saw kyron walk on the door with his step mother …so why then did no one report him as known to be abscent with the step mother and then why this huge search effort? The more i think of just that little part the more it seems that Kryon went into a truck or a van of someone who worked at or frequented the school that day dead or alive. The step mother story is patently absurd. She has money for the best criminal defence lawyer…she also has money for the best divorce lawyer who can win her custody and or a big chuck of the house and money from a divorce. The step mother is weird…a manic depressive with super charged sexy up and big downs after that…when they got her into the lie dector chamber she was spiraling down off the high. She drove from one fred meyer parking lot to another…..that day ==very manic maybe she and others are in the drug dealing and drug growing business. (“landscaper” in oregon is a euphamism for grower of oregon pot. beware. the gardeners don’t look like gardners. The step mother is doing steroids possibly.. what ever was going on there I saw pictures of Kryon’s home and the grass was overgrown …weeds taking over and no signs of any landscaping going on there. The Parents should now be suing the school for neglect because that much is obvious too since they lost kyron when he was there and checked him as absent. The school was an other dumping ground for refuse teachers and staff from other schools and they are listed as “on probation” some of them on several official school websites…rubber room skyline elemetrary school…the public is not allowed to review teacher files nor complaints against teachers in the district. only the governor can do that as he did in the case of ward weaver in secret….Nope there is a cover up at the school. Something happened at the school that morning and the school district and their attorneys knew it. Kron electricated? raped and murdered? kidnapped? what ever happened probably happened after step mother left on her sexy quest of mania that day. It all comes down to the relaiablity of a child who never lies saying that kryon went downstairs to watch an electrical experiment. why would that child make that up? It is somewhere between wild speculation or a fantasy if false. But that child’s statement was no where as good as the story about kryon oing out the door with the step mother. Maybe the step mother told kyron to explain why he was going out the side door to gow with the step mother and it was down the stairs . That makes not a whole lot of sense if the step mother did not want to attract attention to her taking kyron to inventn a huge missing child story and senario to get attention for herself later in the day. If she was involved abducting Kryon she would be better off not being seen with him coming out a door and how would she know others might not drive in and see her taking kryon away?

    Not to be glib but sexy quest mania made me laugh. I have never heard a witness say that they saw Kyron leave with TH that day, in fact, I have only ever heard she was seen leaving with Kiara, and Kyron was seen in the building afterward. As I work on my update piece, I am struck yet again by the blind following of the stepmonster theory. Statistically speaking, the odds are high she is involved.

    That said, LE created the perfect environment for her to never utter a syllable so maybe it is time to focus efforts elsewhere.

    B

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