Kyron Horman Missing: Case Review And Birthday Wishes To The Frog Prince

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On what is Kyron Horman’s 8th Birthday, the Skyline School, where Kyron was scheduled to begin the third grade, is buzzing with the start of the years activities without him.

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In response to the disappearance and presumed abduction of the bespectacled herpetologist; Skyline has implemented a myriad of mandatory safety features as well as a state of the art security camera system. While complete with facial recognition capability, one face it will not be recognizing today, is that of Kyron Horman.

 

Although missing since the morning of June 4, 2010, there have been no updates from the many State and Federal agencies participating in the criminal investigation of his disappearance since August 12, 2010. 

 

Adding to the mounting concern about the status of Kyron’s fate are the words of his own parents, Kaine Horman and Desiree Young.

 

“The police will not stop until they find Kyron and the harder they have to search–the harder this will get for you,” wrote Young. “You will go to jail and whoever has been helping you will have to talk police or they will go to jail.”

 

It is clear from Kaine and Desiree’s comments that they believe Terri Horman, Kyron’s step mom, is at least partially responsible for Kyron vanishing. While they stop short of naming any possible accomplices, Rod Underhill, the chief deputy district attorney of Multnomah County, Captain Jason Gates, Detective Bob O’Donnell of the Multnomah County Sheriff Office have sought the publics help to flush them out. Multnomah County Chief Deputy District Attorney Rod Underhill said a witness, or witnesses, have reported seeing someone else by the Hormans’ extended-cab pickup while it was parked in front of the school between 8:15 a.m. and 8:45 a.m. on June 4, the day Kyron disappeared. In what was characterized as a slip-up, methinks that that Kyron’s Mom told us that someone was actually Kyron.  

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While Terri Horman is holed up at her parents newly refinanced home in Roseburg and under the mortgage-sized retainer protection of Stephen Houze; she is awaiting the September 21st contempt hearing  for allegedly violating an order that she not disclose the “sealed” reasoning for, or contents of,  the current restraining order in effect against her.

 

Accomplice, Witness, Opportunist or Collateral Damage?

 

 

Rodolfo “Rudy” Estrada Sanchez

 

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 Rudy is the owner of RS Landscape Maintenance and the alleged former landscaper/ love interest of Terri Horman.  He is also the man who says Terri Horman asked him to murder her husband Kaine late last year. Investigators clearly believed his story as it was the basis for an attempted sting on June 26th by MCSO including an undercover DEA agent. Sanchez, wearing a wire, demanded a $10,000 payment from Horman for services rendered, except Kaine was very much alive. As the information gleaned from Sanchez provided to Kaine Horman indicates this alleged “contract”discussion with his wife happened over 7 months ago, it is unclear what the payment demand could actually be for. Sanchez testified before the grand jury on August 4. While the content of his testimony is secret, the fact that whatever he testified to outside of pleading the “On the advice of counsel I plead the 5th and hereby assert all of it’s protections.” grants him a level of immunity, in addition to whatever he may or may not have already been granted by the District Attorney.

When reached at one of the numbers records show is billed in his brothers name, Jaime Estrada Sanchez, who uses the name Jaime Estrada on his carpet cleaning business website declined to comment to blinkoncrime.com and the number has since been disconnected.

 

Speaking on the condition of anonymity, a close family friend who has since been interviewed by the FBI, has confirmed that Terri Horman is pointing her finger directly at Sanchez. She has also stated that she and Sanchez had an altercation after she attempted to end their relationship in May which ended in a 911 call and a visit from Clackamas County Sheriff Office in the presence of Sanchez’s wife and children. While it did not result in any charges, Horman told the source that the landscaper was furious with her because he is not in the US legally. While blinkoncrime.com has not been able to verify the date of the alleged 911 call, we have been able to verify that Terri called her Mother immediately following the incident and told her that Kaine had found out about the landscaper she hired to do what she referred to as “her yardwork” and when she informed him that she could no longer use him because Kaine was making her fire him, he lunged at her with Kiara in her arms. Kaine Horman denies the couple ever hired the landscaper as well as any previous information as to his estranged wife’s possible dealings with Sanchez.

 

It should be noted that Mr. Sanchez has not been charged with any crime in this matter and local references to his business are highly complimentary. In fact, Jean Ann Van Krevelen a friend and “mentor” of Dede Spicher has used RS Landscape Maintenance on a few occasions, leaving positive reviews on the ServiceMaster listing which deleted his business from the site on 6/21/10.  Heather Walters, owner of Rosemont Farm,which is not West Wind Farm, where Dede Spicher was working the morning of June 4th and out of reach by phone from approximately 90 minutes, has never met Terri Horman or heard of their family prior to Kyron’s disappearance. When I asked her if she knew Rudy Sanchez or if she ever hired his firm to work at WWF, she replied “not that I recall, no, but we did have a blackberry clean up a few years ago so it is possible.”

 

Anselmo Sanchez-Sanchez

 

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 As reported on blinkoncrime.com, Anselmo was booked into the MCSO on July 8, 2010 on a hold from the US Marshall Service. He was held until August () and returned to Federal custody in Sheridan. While residence records and a private post to blinkoncrime.com indicate the Sanchez’s know each other, at a minimum, it is unknown if Anselmo has any direct connection to this case. What is known, is that Anselmo Sanchez a/k/a Freddy Atristad Sanchez has been in Federal Custody since March 4, 2010.

 

 Or has he?

 

 

Although records indicate that he was placed under post probation supervision by ICE on February 19, 2010, according to Mr. Sanchez-Sanchez Federal criminal docket after being “found in the US and apprehended” in  August 2009” following a previous deportation in 2003, he was “administratively arrested” on February 23, 2010. A Federal Grand Jury’s subsequent indictment was issued on March 4 and he was immediately incarcerated.

 

Mr. Sanchez-Sanchez rap sheet includes convictions for rape, failure to register as a sex offender and a host of probation and parole violations prior to his deportation.

 

In what can only be categorized as a bizarre coincidence, Oregon BOP VINE network shows that on June 26, 2010, they very day of the “sting” involving Rudy Sanchez, Anselmo was transferred and released to “community supervision”.  There is no record of either his transfer or his booking by MCSO July 8th on his docket. What is reflected on the record for June 21st, is the US Marshall Service requested a rescheduling of his plea hearing on July 1st   - July 12th directly with the presiding judge outside of his Federal appointed defense attorney.  Yep. Exparte.  Mr. Sanchez attorney Allison Clark used the 7/12/10 court date to file a motion to quit the case.  They have subsequently worked through their differences and were scheduled to appear yesterday, but a 4th continuance in the case was granted to reschedule for October 7, 2010. In that motion, Ms. Clark asserts that Mr. Sanchez has been in custody the entire time but that his records are difficult to retrieve so more time to prepare for trial is necessary.  I’ll say. 

 

 

 

 

Dede Spicher

 

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Doppelganger. Organic Gardner. Jilted girlfriend and support network for Terri Horman.

Up until a few weeks ago, she was also very much the object of accusation by Desiree Young and Kaine Horman, as well as the investigators assigned to Kyron’s case. So much so, they released a flyer featuring the ginger ladies and the infamous white truck. LE has subsequently backed off of Spicher and publicly stated they do not believe it was her in the white truck in the lot of the Skyline School. Dede’s father is a semi-retired Klamath County Sheriff deputy. If it can be confirmed Spicher knew Kyron was missing on June 4th we have a very big problem.

 

Blinkoncrime.com is in receipt of a private post through a mutual friend of Dede’s in response to an article about Kyron’s disappearance from the school which was post on June 4th at 11:40PM

 

Spicher responded on June 5 at 7:44am: Holy Crap! I KNOW this boy!

Mutual Friend, June 5, 1:35PM: no way???!!! Really Dede?

Spicher: yes. My friend Terri is the step-mother mentioned in the article. It’s so shocking when something like this hits so close to home. < ?xml:namespace prefix ="" v />June 5 at 5:44pm

 

 

Michael Cook

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The source of both information for the contempt filing and hundreds of sexts exchanged between he and Terri Horman following Kaine Horman’s filing for divorce and leaving the marital residence as advised by MCSO, Michael Cook was a high school classmate of Kaine Horman.

 

Mr. Cook is also one smarmy dude if his former spouse Shannon has anything to say about it.

 

Oddly, blinkoncrime.com has learned from an inside source that Cook was not called before the grand jury to testify. In the instant action for contempt, Kaine Horman’s attorney Laura Rackner specifically references the “sexting” and the text regarding Houze’s fee as information provided by law enforcement. 

 

So, was he acting as an agent for le or is he himself under investigation?

 

Jason Wishert

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William Jason Wishert is undoubtedly wishing he had not interjected himself in this case. Apparently new to the blogosphere via a request from Maxine Bernstein of the Oregonian, Mr. Wishert took to what he saw as his *nuveau*cause*celeb* status with moxy.

 

 

That was until he announced his appearance on the scaredmonkeys.net forum to answer questions about the case and cry the blues when he accused the Oregonian of using his rough notes to skewer Dede Spicher.  According to Wishert the “not a lot of kissing but plenty of telling” memo was not supposed to be published.  About 3 minutes into his introduction to his “sleuthing public” Wishert was asked why he spelled his name incorrectly and if he was indeed the son of convicted child porn possessor William Kent Wishart.  In a really bad move, Mr. Wishert denied the allegation and retreated with his tail somewhere on his person.

 

Kent Wishart, former CEO of Graphic Sciences, is in Federal Custody for the next 4 years for possession of child porn and engaging in a file sharing subscription for same. Jason’s brother Grant is an employee of GS.  All three Wishert’s hold numerous active and inactive business licenses throughout Oregon and Washington.  Graphic Sciences has a Mexican affiliate office.

 

Both Jason and his brother James Grant have had numerous legal entanglements (editor’s note: say it just like Chief Margie with the flat “a”) and our attempts to substantiate Jason’s claims about court appointed child advocacy certifications have yet to be confirmed.

 

However, with his Uncle John Kerr, Jason Wishert is heavily involved in the Friends of Pimpollo Charity which sponsors various children issues and an orphanage in Mexico.  FOP is a verified charity with a 50% tax deduction rate according to IRS Publication 78 in good standing, but they are years behind in their annual reporting.

 

Birthday Boy and America’s Frog Prince

 

Today, Kyron Horman’s eigth birthday, may not bring us any closer to where our frog prince is, but we do wish to extend our thoughts and prayers in celebration of his special day to his parents, friends and family. There are 2 celebrations for Kyron today. The picture below is an image of the birthday invitation chosen by his Mom, Desiree Young, and designed by scaredmonkeys poster Brandi.

 

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Images by Klaasend

Jason Mateos, Madeline Tanner, and Laura Cincaid contributing editors to this report

 

 

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2,950 Comments

  1. Word Girl says:

    Thanks, newsatfive. You cleared it up well. The ‘failure to protect’ could be very broad-based. And for children who are citizens, the state would protect them as wards. A guardian ad litem would be appointed to investigate.

    Above all, the child welfare proceedings would be private/confidential, to protect the rights of juveniles. They would leave a record, however.

  2. MariaEl says:

    @#43 news
    about your thoughts on possibly RS taking Ky.. But didn’t he testify at GJ? I’m not sure on this, but I’ll check, but I’m under the understanding that if he did testify he may get immunity? Once again, not sure if I am right, as I’m not familiar with legal procedures other than what I’ve read/learned here. You always have offered valuable insight. Thanks for entertaining my question.

  3. Idahogal says:

    Idahogal says:
    September 16, 2010 at 8:43 pm
    Big oops…meant to type “I’m still having a really hard time believing that TH DIDN’T help with the disappearance”…

  4. Shelly says:

    Posted earlier:

    B
    i will sell it to you, i have a file, hehe just monkeying with ya.
    hey i need help, i still dont get the families, who is Roger?

    Are you speaking of Roger (from interview on NW Plainview)?
    That would be Roger Yerke, resident of NW Plainview Road. Mr. Yerke is manager of educational programs at the Oregon Zoo.

  5. justthinking says:

    hats off to you super investigators. i still havent gotten this rs part figured out, but i have a question:
    in all the research has anyone ever come up with a connection to rs/elsy/ubaldo,jamie/anselemo/estrada with oaxaca city mexico, or juchitan oax ? thanks

  6. justthinking says:

    or ANGEL-GOMEZ OCTAVIANO (in all the research has anyone ever come up with a connection to rs/elsy/ubaldo,jamie/anselemo/estrada with oaxaca city mexico, or juchitan oax ? thanks)

  7. JEN says:

    Blink, yesterday I inquired about the odds that the task force agency in this case is working with other government’s (foreign) agencies on this case – say, in Mexico or Canada?

    Your answer: I don’t know about foreign agencies, but certainly our agents in those jurisdictions.
    B

    Combined with your response regarding whether or not someone will be in jail or on trial by the end of the year, I’m just going to come out and ask it (with the total understanding that you may not be able to answer):

    Has the primary suspect fled the U.S. and LE simply can’t find him/her?

    I think there are multi-jurisdictional and parallel investigations going on at the same time. Depending on the size and scope, they may not want to jeopardize by making an arrest in one, and tipping off the other.

    I noted that at no time, until he was asked the question specifically, did Staton mention the word recovery or bring Kyron home.
    B

  8. Idahogal says:

    Has this guy already been mentioned here? My brain is fried with all the Sanchez names…arrested on 9/3/10-$50K bail, meth & coke, ICE hold at MC jail:
    SANCHEZ-SANCHEZ, JUAN CARLOS
    Victim Notification (VINE) for this Inmate:
    Info
    Sign up
    Sex:
    M”
    Race:
    W
    DOB:
    1976-09-20
    Height:
    5′ 07″
    Weight:
    170
    JID:
    PO********
    MNI:
    245076
    FBI:
    SID:
    18622977
    ST:
    OR
    Booking Charge/Orig OSB Case Court Arrest Agency Security Scheduled Release
    In Custody — Last Listed Location — Facility: JL
    1012331 000.002 / HOLD ICE 2010-09-08 HBL
    1012331 475.884 PCS COCAINE / UNLAWFUL POSSESS COC OR81247231 C101684CR WCC 2010-09-03 HBS
    1012331 475.890 DCS METH / UNL DELIVER METHAMPH OR81247231 C101684CR WCC 2010-09-03 HBS $50000.00
    1012331 475.894 PCS METH / UNL POSSESS METHAMPH OR81247231 C101684CR WCC 2010-09-03 HBS
    1012331 475.880 DCS COCAINE / UNLAWFUL DELIVER COC OR81247231 C101684CR WCC 2010-09-03 HBS

  9. Idahogal says:

    Idahogal says:
    Your comment is awaiting moderation.
    September 17, 2010 at 8:59 am
    Dang it, correction, he is in Washington Co. jail.

  10. justthinking says:

    do you know how many posts you guys have on this site? gees. you guys have really been working this case, ty. i have a question, of course, the only reference to rudy sanchez having a wife that i have been able to find is the reference to th’s friends comment about it being in front of his wife and kids, i saw that as only attributed to the friend, not th saying that herself, has she? my question is because sometimes “friends of th” have lots of truth to divulge, but sometimes they throw in one or more untruths also. it seems to me that either at rs entry into the u.s. he would have had to put married on his application for visa, or if he has been here his whole life then there would be a marriage certif filed. i have no idea how to check this out, was hoping someone here would. thanks again

  11. riverpearl says:

    @
    beejay says:
    September 16, 2010 at 10:01 am

    To All: Before you waste time trying to relate Ky to areas in the east portion of Multnomah county, remember that Staton said he wants to use detectives who’re already working on this case. Multnomah East Major Crimes unit is one of those. It would probably include detectives from cities such as Troutdale. So, that would be worth confirming.

    But I remember that there was a long list of Oregon LE agencies who had dedicated personnel to the case. So, Staton’s current requests may or may not indicate a direct relationship to Ky.
    _____________________________

    riverpearl says:
    September 16, 2010 at 11:11 am
    _________________________

    I edited/ emphasized my previous post on agencies involved etc to hopefully clear up confusion.

    When Sheriff Staton was saying the Task Force was the SAME GROUP just stream-lined because
    “This does not need to be as broad of investigation…we have narrowed the scope…now have target elements”- he was literally telling it like it is and has been from the start, a core group w/ assistance from other agencies as needed.
    ____________________________

    July 23, 2010 Sheriff Staton answered Qs via e-mail.

    Q: How many investigators are still —> dedicated daily DA Office** East County Major Crime’s Team based on investigative needs. Not Q&A LIST assisted Gresham Police, Fairview Police, Troutdale Police, Portland Police, Port of Portland Police, Multnomah County DA’s investigators,FBI East Multnomah County Major Crime Team IS:<—
    An interagency unit that includes detectives from:
    Oregon State Police (OSP),
    Multnomah County Sheriff Office (MCSO) <—-
    and Gresham, Fairview and Troutdale police departments. illegal drug activity performs raids, street-level undercover operations, and gathers evidence in civil forfeiture cases. deputies from Multnomah County, officers from the Gresham Police and Troutdale Police departments, INVESTIGATIVE TEAM DEDICATED TO CASE DAILY BASIS DA Office, East County Major Crime’s Team based on investigative needs. Gresham, Fairview & Troutdale Police Departments MCSO investigative needs illegal drug activity greater Portland metro area <—
    You can SEE what the Sheriff meant by, "This does not need to be as broad of investigation…we have narrowed the scope…now have target elements."

    With addition of FBI & Port of Portland, there would be the organized crime/illegal drugs element.
    Completing the Task Force: Portland Police are the police of the CITY Kyron 'disappeared' from and the largest Police Dept/city in the area,

    I know, Portland, the city, is not as well 'connected' to Kyron's case because what everyone hears is Multnomah County.
    It almost seems Mult Co has become a 'city' name in the public consciousness.

    So the Task Force is dealing w/ a missing child possible homicide, organized crime/illegal drugs w/ multiple 'surprises' thrown in and a Southern Oregon/ Roseburg connection on the side.

    JMHO I think the Task Force 8~10 Detectives would consist of approx.:
    3 MCSO =30% –from East Mult Co Major Crime Team & Special Investigative Unit
    1 OSP –East Mult Co Major Crime Team
    1 FBI
    1 Port of Portland
    1 Portland Police
    1 Fairview Police –East Mult Co Major Crime Team
    1 Gresham Police–East Mult Co Major Crime Team & Special Investigation Unit
    1 Troutdale Police –East Mult Co Major Crime Team & Special Investigation Unit.

    Having the Task Force spread between these agencies would definitely share the cost but keep ALL the CORE Detectives IN PLACE.
    With MSCO the lead on this case, they would shoulder the largest cost burden of 30% = 3 Detectives.

    Hope this all makes sense & the length won't freak y'all out.

    Now, where is the little man ?

  12. Sally says:

    MockingbirdSings says:
    September 16, 2010 at 11:18 pm

    I am confused. Where are the 3 “inserted” comments that are “odd” and where is a photo of a baby?

    I still think the “Estrade” may be a typo by the person who set up the website. The business name is registered correctly under “Estrada”.

    ——-
    To answer your question regarding the LS brother’s carpet cleaning business link, there are three photos on the site with text over the top. Although the text in the main body of the site seems fairly professional (some typos), these “added” comments are not grammatically correct and seem out of place. For instance, “Watch out for Mistakes.” Regarding the photo that IMO resembles Kiara, there are three photos cycling through on the top of the webpage, and one is of a baby. Hope that helps clarify.

  13. Rich M says:

    Re: Clean factor website-if you right click on the image of Jaime you can see the picture is titled Jaime ESTRADA (no E at the end.) Do they think we took stupid pills?

    We should “check you out on the Oregon Executives Association website”? Oh goodie, there you are listed AGAIN as Jaime ESTRADA (no E).

    Funny though when I look online for Clean Factor, I cant seem to find a yellow page listing. Can someone who lives in the area see if they are even listed there? A call to the phone number on the clean factor website yields no answer. Automated voicemail.(Sure, its early and I have my phone number blocked but hey….oops…dialed a wrong number sorry.)And you would THINK a fax number would get you to a fax machine but in this case it does not.

    Reverse number lookup yeilds nothing.

    Of course, it has only been in business less than a month (or at least registered as a biz for less than a month.) It was a registered biz name in 08/09. The phone number listed was the same. And yet, no YP add?

    Listed as “friend” (supporter) of the French School. http://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&q=cache:8Dk9HD9BTuwJ:www.portlandfrenchschool.org/Documents/08%2520-%252009/PJ_09.pdf+503-313-9308&hl=en&gl=us&pid=bl&srcid=ADGEEShyWzAeZlmQcq0NK30qxGJXvl2cpYVmGRFOuCITmuOo-wgxgq0450paEXawqxDhyYgQiLf2xTvw-e40xJDhOdMeeKgpEpLk1UzpeFj42ytb4opxiOLo0UB6BJ4tKYu6m1uCHSBa&sig=AHIEtbTMsxVtHp6wtXHoAYWJmUSoEYPaQg

  14. puzzled says:

    30.puzzled says:
    September 15, 2010 at 2:48 pm

    The LS Associates, if involved in criminal activity, are going to be scattering like rats from a sinking ship.

    We may never know about it unless the roll-up is made public. LE is on the case.

    ~~~~

    Blinksters are doing a great job of catching these recent lock-ups. Are they related to our ls associates or at least in the organiation???

  15. riverpearl says:

    I seem to be having issues w/ Mac copy & paste to Blink’s format. Sorry for confusion reading.
    To clarify the messed upped post:

    I edited/ emphasized my previous post on agencies involved etc to hopefully clear up confusion.

    When Sheriff Staton was saying the Task Force was the SAME GROUP just stream-lined because
    “This does not need to be as broad of investigation…we have narrowed the scope…now have target elements”- he was literally telling it like it is and has been from the start, a core group w/ assistance from other agencies as needed.

    July 23, 2010 Sheriff Staton answered Qs via e-mail;

    Q: How many investigators are still *dedicated*
    to this case and what are they doing on a
    *daily* basis?

    A: A significant investigative team composed of *DA Office* (Multnomah County DA)
    *East County Major Crime’s Team*
    and other local, state and federal agencies are involved in this case
    The numbers varies daily, *based on investigative needs*

    **East County Major Crime’s Team was *Not* included with the *Q&A LIST*
    of LE agencies assisted**

    Q:
    Can we have the list of law enforcement agencies that have *assisted*
    in the Kyron Horman investigation?

    A:
    *Gresham Police, Fairview Police, Troutdale Police, Portland Police, Port of Portland Police,*

    Clackamas County Sheriff’s Office, Clackamas County DA MCT,

    *Multnomah County DA’s investigators,*

    Washington County District Attorney’s Office, Washington County Sheriff’s Office, Gladstone Police, Oregon City Police, Milwaukie Police, Canby Police, Lake Oswego Police, West Linn Police, Vancouver
    Police, Hillsboro Police, Beaverton Police,

    *FBI*

    DEA, ICE, Secret Service, DOD Defense Criminal Investigative Services, Oregon DOJ, Oregon State Police.
    _____________________________

    *East Multnomah County Major Crime Team* IS:
    An interagency unit that includes detectives from:
    Oregon State Police (OSP),
    *Multnomah County Sheriff Office (MCSO)*
    and *Gresham, Fairview and Troutdale Police departments*
    _____________________________

    Multnomah County Sheriff Office (MCSO) Special Investigations Unit*
    The Special Investigations Unit performs investigations of *illegal drug activity*
    within the greater Portland metropolitan area.
    The Special Investigations Team
    *performs raids, street-level undercover operations, and gathers evidence in civil forfeiture cases.*
    The Special Investigations Unit is composed of *deputies from Multnomah County (MCSO)*
    *officers from the Gresham Police and Troutdale Police departments*
    as well as an investigative technician.

    *Sheriff Staton said, during 09/15 presser,
    the Special Investigations Unit would be INVOLVED/ part of the Task Force.
    _________________________

    IF we look @ Sheriff Staton answered Qs 07/23/2010-

    Q: The *INVESTIGATIVE TEAM*…*DEDICATED TO CASE*…*DAILY BASIS* ?

    A: A significant investigative team composed of *DA Office (Mult Co DA)*
    *East County Major Crime’s Team*
    and other local, state and federal agencies are involved in this case.
    The numbers varies daily, *based on investigative needs*

    East Multnomah County Major Crime Team INCLUDES DETECTIVES from:
    *Gresham, Fairview & Troutdale Police Departments*
    - AND -
    Oregon State Police and *MCSO*
    - NOW ADD -
    MCSO Special Investigation Unit
    - ADDITIONALLY ADD -
    *FBI, Port of Portland, Portland Police*
    &
    OTHER Agencies- as needed based on *investigative needs*

    The TASK FORCE was already IN PLACE.

    Now there was Clackamas CO DA MCT that had assisted but the ‘disappearance’ happen in Mult Co.
    The Sheriff would be more familiar working w/ East Mult Co Major Crime Team
    - BUT -
    ADD MCSO Special Investigations Unit and you have a TWIST to the East Co Maj Crime Team/Task Force.

    JMHO-I could be flying way ABOVE 30,000 ft but when you look @ what East Co Maj Crime Team provides resources for each time :
    homicide, attempted homicide, serious physical assault, sexual assault or missing children
    - AND -
    what MCSO Special Investigations Units performs :
    investigations of *illegal drug activity* w/i the *greater Portland metro area*
    You can SEE what the Sheriff meant by,
    “This does not need to be as broad of investigation…we have narrowed the scope…now have target elements.”

    With addition of FBI & Port of Portland, there would be the organized crime/illegal drugs element.
    Completing the Task Force: Portland Police are the police of the CITY Kyron ‘disappeared’ from and the largest Police Dept/city in the area.

    I know, Portland, the city, is not as well ‘connected’ to Kyron’s case because what everyone hears is Multnomah County.
    It almost seems Mult Co has become a ‘city’ name in the public consciousness.

    So the Task Force is dealing w/ a missing child possible homicide, organized crime/illegal drugs w/ multiple ‘surprises’ thrown in and a Southern Oregon/ Roseburg connection on the side.

    JMHO I think the Task Force 8~10 Detectives would consist of approx.:
    3 MCSO =30% –from East Mult Co Major Crime Team & Special Investigative Unit
    1 OSP –East Mult Co Major Crime Team
    1 FBI
    1 Port of Portland
    1 Portland Police
    1 Fairview Police –East Mult Co Major Crime Team
    1 Gresham Police–East Mult Co Major Crime Team & Special Investigation Unit
    1 Troutdale Police –East Mult Co Major Crime Team & Special Investigation Unit.

    Having the Task Force spread between these agencies would definitely share the cost but keep ALL the CORE Detectives IN PLACE.
    With MSCO the lead on this case, they would shoulder the largest cost burden of 30% = 3 Detectives.

    Hope this all makes sense & the length won’t freak y’all out.

    Now, where is the little man ?

  16. Kimberly says:

    I’m trying to figure out how RS and associates can have such a high standing in our community? Examples are the links below;

    http://www.oregonexecutives.com/members.html

    CARPET CLEANING
    Clean Factor
    PO Box 2112
    Oregon City, OR 97045
    Phone: 503-313-9308 Fax: 503-344-6262
    web: http://www.clean-factor.com
    Email Me
    Jaime Estrada

    http://www.linkedin.com/pub/dir/+/Estrada/us-79-Portland,-Oregon-Area/

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  17. Kimberly says:

    @Rich M,
    How funny, just finished posting and seen ya beat me to the exact same stuff, lol, i guess it’s true that all great minds think alike.

  18. Kimberly says:

    http://li-public.fmcsa.dot.gov/LIVIEW/pkg_oos_process.prc_list?pv_vpath=LIVIEW&s_state=ORUS

    1935951
    JAIME ESTRADA
    JAIME ESTRADA TRUCKING 330 E CHERRY AVE #D
    HERMISTON , OR 97838 New Entrant Revoked – Refusal of Audit/No Contact 12-22-2009

  19. JEN says:

    With the level of interest in this case, I am surprised that Kyron’s picture and info have not been posted to INTERPOL’s searchable Missing Persons database.

  20. beejay says:

    I believe that a public school district would be an example of a “government entity”–referencing Staton’s statement that there may be some govt. entities that could receive “notification” in the debriefing after Ky’s case is over (paraphrasing).

    Perhaps cases will grow out of these “concerns”.

    Just one possibility for things that the public, LE, and the media will all be looking at in the future. Things, I’m thinking, that involve preventing bad things from happening to the kids around Portland.

    My other thought would be Portland Public Library System, where due to their legal and funding actions they are not screening underage access to pornography online.

  21. evie says:

    Um,… howmanyofme.com
    There are 106,762 people in the U.S. with the last name Estrada.
    They are not necessarily related unless there was some tie that isn’t obvious?

    @ JEN says: September 17, 2010 at 11:32 am
    “With the level of interest in this case, I am surprised that Kyron’s picture and info have not been posted to INTERPOL’s searchable Missing Persons database.”
    Surprised, or does it make you wonder? It makes me think not-so-happy thoughts.

  22. puzzled says:

    5.JEN says:
    September 17, 2010 at 8:57 am

    Has the primary suspect fled the U.S. and LE simply can’t find him/her?

    ~~~~

    Very good question! During the July PC, LE was issuing the truck flyer and asking about sighting of a third person (not TH, DD or ??) .. could be suspect has disappeard .. leaving only TH and RS (maybe?) but not able to pinpoint either as the abductor. hmmmmmm

  23. puzzled says:

    Following my own line of thinking .. LE cannot put TH or RS as the abductor and suspect a third and different person involved .. chasing down the associates (RS) and finding multiple persons involved in criminal activity (much like the info the Blinksters have found) but not the “smoking gun” ie, person who did the actual abduction.

    help me … is my monkey mind on the loose again?

  24. puzzled says:

    14.Kimberly says:
    September 17, 2010 at 11:23 am

    I’m trying to figure out how RS and associates can have such a high standing in our community?

    ~~~

    my thoughts .. could be the obvious associates are indeed legal and legitimate business people. RS as well. It’s the not so obvious associates (like the ones in lock up) who make up the criminal enterprise and are the vampires. Could be RS was granted immunity to name names and stay out of cutody. RS could be no more than a sexting/MFH partner with TH, but his associates took it (whatever “it” is) further. just saying out loud

  25. Malty says:

    Hi people
    you are doing great research I will throw this in for what it is worth
    one night at work A young Mexican had a new baby who she named
    a whole list of names she claimed it was correct to include her
    moms name,her dads name and her married name
    however some of the other Mexicans said that was not correct
    I lost interest sorry now

  26. hebeke says:

    FWIW, there is a woman claiming to be a friend of DeDe’s posting on the THSP facebook page that what DeDe’s cousin Tom has been posting at GLP is consistent with what DeDe has told her about the case.

  27. gigi says:

    is it possible that TH stumbled onto a large, commercial marijuana growing group? i am curious about this because so many of the individuals mentioned are gardeners. perhaps TH somehow got involved with someone who is a member of this group and that is how the vampire came into the lives of the horman family? anyone?

  28. beejay says:

    Bumping:

    Tracygirl says:
    June 17, 2010 at 10:05 pm

    “Let me be clear in my communication with all readers:

    I will stake my professional reputation on the fact that this is a sexually motivated crime.

    If we agree on that, how is one getting to the SM?

    B”

    Oh gosh blink you are brave to ask that question because what ever answer anyone comes up with will be the latest rumor!

    But to answer and play along. If the step mom did this and it is a sexually motivated crime, she would have either sexually assulted him or she brought him to someone as pay off or as a “gift”.

    I dont’ think that happened btw, just answering a what if question

    [below is Blink's response]

    You were bright to pick up my point.

    The odds are absolutely stacked against her involvement.
    B

  29. enumclawrose says:

    I, too have been looking into the names we have been dealing with and have been too busy with work to compile everything presentable yet. I decided to go to square one with the relationships. I have tried to read the past two days posts thoroughly, so forgive me if I am restating information or am behind the curve.

    RUDY
    If I start with R L Landscape Maintenance, which we have been told is the Rudy we are interested in, he has this license since 01-08-2008 and is listed as Rodolfo Sanchez, P O Box 347, Canby OR 97013 and 7169 SE Renada St., Milwaukie, OR 97267. The Canby address goes back to Rudy Sanchez Landscape Maintenance 10-31-05 thru 11-01-07 with a physical address of 9850 SE Amherst Apt. 50, Clackamas, OR 97015.

    JAIME
    Jaime is tied to Rudy through the P O Box in Canby and the Renada St address. Estrada’s, 08-06-03 lists Jaime S Estrada, P O Box 347, Canby, OR 97013 and 19839 S Hwy 213 #1040, Oregon City, OR 97045. Clean Factor, 08-23-10, P O Box 2112, Oregon City, OR 97045 and 7169 SE Renada St., Milwaukie, OR 97267

    Above information was on the Oregon Sec. of State Corp. Division.

    Peoplefinders shows Rodolfo S Sanchez, aka Rodolfo Estrada, at 7169 SE Renada St., age 36, with possible relatives/associates of Jaime S Estrada and Ubaldo R Sanchez.

    To me this proves that Rudy and Jaime, lived at the same address, shared the same P O Box as well as use the last name Estrada.

    Can we definitively add to this connection?

  30. enumclawrose says:

    My last post, should read R S Landscape Maintenance. Sorry.

  31. ElizabethinOR says:

    @shelly

    To clarify, Roger Yerke is no longer the Manager of Educational Programs at the Oregon Zoo.

  32. Ode says:

    I think we should note the difference in the spelling of the name Jamie vrs Jaime although we know one Estrada is not paticular how you spell his name.

  33. familythx says:

    Haven’t seen this posted before so just want to mention that Seattle has always been and now Portland has become a port city for the import of Chinese heroin. That fuels my speculation that in the search for Kyron, major, serious drug dealing has been uncovered. All these small businesses are great fronts for the real cash monies that flow from drugs. If it’s anything like what goes on in Mexico, then LE becomes endangered. Not to take away from the importance of keeping the focus on Kyron, but man, what a plethora of Pandora’s boxes…

  34. Annals says:

    Re:enumclawrose says:
    September 17, 2010 at 5:03 pm
    Can we definitively add to this connection?
    ——————————————–

    Enumclawrose, I don’t know how definitive you’d like to be, but here goes; Rudy is married and has at least one child, a boy who was 7 years old at the time he was mentioned at the end of July 2010.

    That’s as per Blink’s article this comment section is attached to. Also as per a commenter (Goodnessme) in the linked article.

    http://www.katu.com/news/local/99594834.html

  35. beejay says:

    Traditionally, the Spanish spelling for boys was ‘Jaime’ and for girls was ‘Jamie’ (like the missing girl Jamie Mejia).

    In recent years in the U.S. the name ‘Jamie’ has become a popular unisex name.

    FWIW

  36. CassieS says:

    We have a landscape business (35 yrs)& have hired Mexican help through the years(yes we pay State & Fed taxes & workmans comp~ the whole Nineyards) I was just checking back on old payslips because Sanchez (I know there are many) rang a bell~ We had one by name of Jesus Juarez Sanchez back in 2002, & another, Jose De J Linares Sanchez in 2005 (where have I heard the name “Torres?” We had Esteban Torres in 2007~

  37. Ode says:

    1935951
    JAIME ESTRADA
    JAIME ESTRADA TRUCKING 330 E CHERRY AVE #D
    HERMISTON , OR 97838 New Entrant Revoked – Refusal of Audit/No Contact 12-22-2009
    30.beejay says:
    September 17, 2010 at 5:46 pm
    Traditionally, the Spanish spelling for boys was ‘Jaime’ and for girls was ‘Jamie’ (like the missing girl Jamie Mejia).

    In recent years in the U.S. the name ‘Jamie’ has become a popular unisex name.
    ****
    Wonder if this trucker is female? Could make a difference in making connections to others.

  38. Becca says:

    Blink – Do you believe Terri will ever see jail time in regard to this case?

  39. Annals says:

    gigi says:
    September 17, 2010 at 2:57 pm
    is it possible that TH stumbled onto a large, commercial marijuana growing group? i am curious about this because so many of the individuals mentioned are gardeners.
    —————————————

    Gigi, funny you should mention that. Because of the frequent mention of pot growers in the Horman neighborhood, I started to wonder about the appearantly increasing business of pot farming here in the US.

    Being a gardner, I went to the internet to check on the hortical requirements for Cannabis.

    OMG! What a tedious adventure. Pot growing articles and websites are written for anything other than gardners. I am accustomed to getting growing rrequirements in “gardening shorthand”; taking just a couple of minutes to digest.

    This is not so when it comes to information on the cultivation of marijuana. The articles are like A through Z gardening manuals; 98% of which gardeners ALREADY KNOW. I had to wade through tons of text to glean; it’s grown as a full sun annual with a 90-150 day maturity; prefers well drained soil; which is ALL I need to know in order to successfully grow pot.

    The picture I formed from this excercise is; pot is grown by folks for whom their first and only exoperience in gardening is growing pot. And by experienced farmers who hide the pot crop within tall food crops, with like requirements, such as corn.

    In other words, I question the cross fertilization of gardners and pot growers. But yes, it’s possible that Terri stumbled into a large commercial marihuana growing group. But, in my opinion it would most likely be due to her living in close proximity to pot farming neighbors; as opposed to lawn maintanance crews or organic gardening apprentices.

  40. enumclawrose says:

    30.Annals says:
    September 17, 2010 at 5:44 pm

    Thanks Annals. Interesting, I read all of the replies, too. I wish we had a name for the wife. It was stated that Rudy has a seven year old son as a form of understanding and compassion for the Horman/Young familes. My first impulse, Elsy can’t be his wife, because the offspring don’t match, then I thought, was the writer (wife) relating about two seven year olds and they have more kids? Probably not, why wouldn’t Elsy take the seven year old, too? Elsy must not be Rudy’s wife. That article came out 07/29.

    31.beejay says:
    September 17, 2010 at 5:46 pm
    Rudy Sachez is linked to Jaime Estrada and Ubaldo R Sanchez. Just seems like some one in Rudy’s family is related to these children.

    FWIW

  41. puzzled says:

    check this out …

    33.Rich M says:
    September 15, 2010 at 3:06 pm

    @Puzzled and others: the link that I found, so far, between Elsy Mejia and the Sanchez group is that she is listed in the white pages as living with Ubaldo.

    745 NE 162nd Ave
    Portland, OR 97230-5749
    Household: Mejia Elsie,

    Ubaldo is listed at the Highway 99 address for the business(es) along with Maria G Sanchez. Unfortunately it gets confusing when additional names are thrown into the mix such as Ubaldo going as Fernandez or Fernand, or using B as a middle initial and I think there is an R middle initial with one of them as well. I have not figured out who is who yet.

  42. justthinking says:

    wow i could never do what you guys have acomplished especially not so fast. i wanted to let you know that i copied alot, but not all of the comments related to rudy sanchez and put them in a folder in sm, it is helpful for me because we can use “search” to find a particular topic. Scared monkeys forum search

    http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?board=72.0

    Rudy Sanchez alleged murder for hire « 1 2 3

    There is a search option at the upper right of the page

  43. Word Girl says:

    Rich M. thanks for the link to the French school ‘friend,’ Jaime Estrada. I missed that one.
    He is ‘considered’ in business by OEA in May, 2008, where he is cited as being in charge of tickets and has donated a ticket (which was won by a woman, possibly in a drawing.)
    He may have registered the business name previously?

    http://www.oregonexecutives.com/documents/051108.pdf

    As for a Yellow Pages ad, I know many business who don’t use them anymore.

  44. Word Girl says:

    Hey, Mock! Why don’t you go do a little knock and talk in NE? Maybe on 162nd? No one else would have the cojones. (Naw, never mind…LE is on the way.)

  45. Ode says:

    38.enumclawrose says:
    September 17, 2010 at 6:59 pm
    30.Annals says:
    September 17, 2010 at 5:44 pm

    Thanks Annals. Interesting, I read all of the replies, too. I wish we had a name for the wife. It was stated that Rudy has a seven year old son as a form of understanding and compassion for the Horman/Young familes. My first impulse
    ***
    You must keep in mind he may have more children with more than one woman. He may even have to legal mothers as in divorce and remarried. I think it is wrong to get stuck on only one mother of children. JMO

  46. Ode says:

    Sorry I meant “two” legal mothers in my last post.

  47. lyla says:

    @Tracygirl says:
    June 17, 2010 at 10:05 pm

    “Let me be clear in my communication with all readers:
    I will stake my professional reputation on the fact that this is a sexually motivated crime.
    If we agree on that, how is one getting to the SM?

    B”

    Oh gosh blink you are brave to ask that question because what ever answer anyone comes up with will be the latest rumor!

    But to answer and play along. If the step mom did this and it is a sexually motivated crime, she would have either sexually assulted him or she brought him to someone as pay off or as a “gift”.
    I dont’ think that happened btw, just answering a what if question

    [below is Blink's response]

    You were bright to pick up my point.
    The odds are absolutely stacked against her involvement.
    B
    ——————————–
    Then, what was her involvement?

  48. kitjcat117 says:

    Sex trafficking vs. drug trafficking? Which is it? Both businesses use fronts and can be very easily intertwined. There is something else that can possibly be established as being associated with sex/drug trafficking and it brings a darker element to the case. Blink prefers that I don’t mention it but I did a lot research this evening and not only did I find links to sex/drug trafficking but also to Mexican’s. First hint, google Santa Muerte.

    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
    47.kitjcat117 says:
    September 17, 2010 at 3:29 am
    @ Blink
    I respect your reasons for not posting my alternative suggestion of what fate Kyron might of met. Statons’s comments threw me for a loop and I looked for the WORST thing imaginable. Perhaps he chose the wrong words. People like me assume LEO are familiar with drug/sex trafficking in that area because it is so common. You indicated you did not post my alternative suggestion because there is no proof it is related. Does that mean there is proof that this is related to sex/drug trafficking?

    Would not say proof, I would say it is a possibility being investigated.
    B
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    If my alternative theory can be proven to be possibly related to sex/drug trafficking then one could assume it is also possibly being looked into by LE. I’ve found quite a few links between “my alternative theory” and sex/drug trafficking. I can post privately if you’d like them.

    All I want is for Kyron to be found. Everytime I think about this case I liken it to a huge spider web. As many blinksters have commented I am also a blinkaholic and quite frankly made the decision to go on vacation in a few weeks to get my mind off the case. How sad is that? I don’t even know these people but it keeps me up at night.

  49. enumclawrose says:

    39.puzzled says:
    September 17, 2010 at 7:01 pm
    check this out …

    33.Rich M says:
    September 15, 2010 at 3:06 pm

    I did a zillow search on the 162nd Avenue building and it has ten bathrooms and lots of parking. It’s probably an apartment complex of some kind. I will go back through posts and check “facebook Elsy” due to the spelling ELSY and ELSIE.

    The Ubaldo’s are small enough in number to try to figure out but still confuse me, too. The Ubaldo “R” is the one that is linked by people finders to Rudy. I have been trying to use ages to help, too.

    UBALDO’s

    Ubaldo Sanchez, 745 NE 162nd, Portland, OR
    This matches the Elsie that Rich M found.

    1) Ubaldo Sanchez (34) linked to Gomez Ubaldo Sanches (39)
    2) Ubaldo F Sanches (38)
    3) Ubaldo Sanches Saenz (46) Clackamas linked to Joaquin Jaime (47) Tomala(47)
    The Joaquin Jaime Sanchez does link to a Jaime through Sanchez Painting Co., just not sure if it’s the same Jaime.
    4) Ubaldo Sanchez (49) Woodburn which I think is the Sanchez Nursery Sales Ubaldo who we have linked to Maria G Sanchez through the corporate registration.

    Dilemma
    1) Rudy is linked to Ubaldo R and none of these Ubaldo’s use “R”.
    So which Ubaldo knows Rudy?
    2) We know where Elsy lived with Ubaldo.
    So which Ubaldo was married to Elsy?

    Point to Consider:

    1) These Ubaldo’s 34&38 years could be the same and Ublado’s 46&49 depending on the accuracy of when and how the information is gathered on Peoplefinders. (Realistically, they must not go in and update everyone’s age on their birthdays).

    2) These Ubaldo’s don’t have a big enough age difference to be father and son (15 years max spread), however, they could still be related as cousins or uncle/nephew.

  50. enumclawrose says:

    Gosh, I am a sloppy speller. All Sanches names in my last post should be SancheZ. Sorry AGAIN.

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