Kyron Horman Missing: Case Review And Birthday Wishes To The Frog Prince

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On what is Kyron Horman’s 8th Birthday, the Skyline School, where Kyron was scheduled to begin the third grade, is buzzing with the start of the years activities without him.

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In response to the disappearance and presumed abduction of the bespectacled herpetologist; Skyline has implemented a myriad of mandatory safety features as well as a state of the art security camera system. While complete with facial recognition capability, one face it will not be recognizing today, is that of Kyron Horman.

 

Although missing since the morning of June 4, 2010, there have been no updates from the many State and Federal agencies participating in the criminal investigation of his disappearance since August 12, 2010. 

 

Adding to the mounting concern about the status of Kyron’s fate are the words of his own parents, Kaine Horman and Desiree Young.

 

“The police will not stop until they find Kyron and the harder they have to search–the harder this will get for you,” wrote Young. “You will go to jail and whoever has been helping you will have to talk police or they will go to jail.”

 

It is clear from Kaine and Desiree’s comments that they believe Terri Horman, Kyron’s step mom, is at least partially responsible for Kyron vanishing. While they stop short of naming any possible accomplices, Rod Underhill, the chief deputy district attorney of Multnomah County, Captain Jason Gates, Detective Bob O’Donnell of the Multnomah County Sheriff Office have sought the publics help to flush them out. Multnomah County Chief Deputy District Attorney Rod Underhill said a witness, or witnesses, have reported seeing someone else by the Hormans’ extended-cab pickup while it was parked in front of the school between 8:15 a.m. and 8:45 a.m. on June 4, the day Kyron disappeared. In what was characterized as a slip-up, methinks that that Kyron’s Mom told us that someone was actually Kyron.  

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While Terri Horman is holed up at her parents newly refinanced home in Roseburg and under the mortgage-sized retainer protection of Stephen Houze; she is awaiting the September 21st contempt hearing  for allegedly violating an order that she not disclose the “sealed” reasoning for, or contents of,  the current restraining order in effect against her.

 

Accomplice, Witness, Opportunist or Collateral Damage?

 

 

Rodolfo “Rudy” Estrada Sanchez

 

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 Rudy is the owner of RS Landscape Maintenance and the alleged former landscaper/ love interest of Terri Horman.  He is also the man who says Terri Horman asked him to murder her husband Kaine late last year. Investigators clearly believed his story as it was the basis for an attempted sting on June 26th by MCSO including an undercover DEA agent. Sanchez, wearing a wire, demanded a $10,000 payment from Horman for services rendered, except Kaine was very much alive. As the information gleaned from Sanchez provided to Kaine Horman indicates this alleged “contract”discussion with his wife happened over 7 months ago, it is unclear what the payment demand could actually be for. Sanchez testified before the grand jury on August 4. While the content of his testimony is secret, the fact that whatever he testified to outside of pleading the “On the advice of counsel I plead the 5th and hereby assert all of it’s protections.” grants him a level of immunity, in addition to whatever he may or may not have already been granted by the District Attorney.

When reached at one of the numbers records show is billed in his brothers name, Jaime Estrada Sanchez, who uses the name Jaime Estrada on his carpet cleaning business website declined to comment to blinkoncrime.com and the number has since been disconnected.

 

Speaking on the condition of anonymity, a close family friend who has since been interviewed by the FBI, has confirmed that Terri Horman is pointing her finger directly at Sanchez. She has also stated that she and Sanchez had an altercation after she attempted to end their relationship in May which ended in a 911 call and a visit from Clackamas County Sheriff Office in the presence of Sanchez’s wife and children. While it did not result in any charges, Horman told the source that the landscaper was furious with her because he is not in the US legally. While blinkoncrime.com has not been able to verify the date of the alleged 911 call, we have been able to verify that Terri called her Mother immediately following the incident and told her that Kaine had found out about the landscaper she hired to do what she referred to as “her yardwork” and when she informed him that she could no longer use him because Kaine was making her fire him, he lunged at her with Kiara in her arms. Kaine Horman denies the couple ever hired the landscaper as well as any previous information as to his estranged wife’s possible dealings with Sanchez.

 

It should be noted that Mr. Sanchez has not been charged with any crime in this matter and local references to his business are highly complimentary. In fact, Jean Ann Van Krevelen a friend and “mentor” of Dede Spicher has used RS Landscape Maintenance on a few occasions, leaving positive reviews on the ServiceMaster listing which deleted his business from the site on 6/21/10.  Heather Walters, owner of Rosemont Farm,which is not West Wind Farm, where Dede Spicher was working the morning of June 4th and out of reach by phone from approximately 90 minutes, has never met Terri Horman or heard of their family prior to Kyron’s disappearance. When I asked her if she knew Rudy Sanchez or if she ever hired his firm to work at WWF, she replied “not that I recall, no, but we did have a blackberry clean up a few years ago so it is possible.”

 

Anselmo Sanchez-Sanchez

 

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 As reported on blinkoncrime.com, Anselmo was booked into the MCSO on July 8, 2010 on a hold from the US Marshall Service. He was held until August () and returned to Federal custody in Sheridan. While residence records and a private post to blinkoncrime.com indicate the Sanchez’s know each other, at a minimum, it is unknown if Anselmo has any direct connection to this case. What is known, is that Anselmo Sanchez a/k/a Freddy Atristad Sanchez has been in Federal Custody since March 4, 2010.

 

 Or has he?

 

 

Although records indicate that he was placed under post probation supervision by ICE on February 19, 2010, according to Mr. Sanchez-Sanchez Federal criminal docket after being “found in the US and apprehended” in  August 2009” following a previous deportation in 2003, he was “administratively arrested” on February 23, 2010. A Federal Grand Jury’s subsequent indictment was issued on March 4 and he was immediately incarcerated.

 

Mr. Sanchez-Sanchez rap sheet includes convictions for rape, failure to register as a sex offender and a host of probation and parole violations prior to his deportation.

 

In what can only be categorized as a bizarre coincidence, Oregon BOP VINE network shows that on June 26, 2010, they very day of the “sting” involving Rudy Sanchez, Anselmo was transferred and released to “community supervision”.  There is no record of either his transfer or his booking by MCSO July 8th on his docket. What is reflected on the record for June 21st, is the US Marshall Service requested a rescheduling of his plea hearing on July 1st   - July 12th directly with the presiding judge outside of his Federal appointed defense attorney.  Yep. Exparte.  Mr. Sanchez attorney Allison Clark used the 7/12/10 court date to file a motion to quit the case.  They have subsequently worked through their differences and were scheduled to appear yesterday, but a 4th continuance in the case was granted to reschedule for October 7, 2010. In that motion, Ms. Clark asserts that Mr. Sanchez has been in custody the entire time but that his records are difficult to retrieve so more time to prepare for trial is necessary.  I’ll say. 

 

 

 

 

Dede Spicher

 

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Doppelganger. Organic Gardner. Jilted girlfriend and support network for Terri Horman.

Up until a few weeks ago, she was also very much the object of accusation by Desiree Young and Kaine Horman, as well as the investigators assigned to Kyron’s case. So much so, they released a flyer featuring the ginger ladies and the infamous white truck. LE has subsequently backed off of Spicher and publicly stated they do not believe it was her in the white truck in the lot of the Skyline School. Dede’s father is a semi-retired Klamath County Sheriff deputy. If it can be confirmed Spicher knew Kyron was missing on June 4th we have a very big problem.

 

Blinkoncrime.com is in receipt of a private post through a mutual friend of Dede’s in response to an article about Kyron’s disappearance from the school which was post on June 4th at 11:40PM

 

Spicher responded on June 5 at 7:44am: Holy Crap! I KNOW this boy!

Mutual Friend, June 5, 1:35PM: no way???!!! Really Dede?

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Michael Cook

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The source of both information for the contempt filing and hundreds of sexts exchanged between he and Terri Horman following Kaine Horman’s filing for divorce and leaving the marital residence as advised by MCSO, Michael Cook was a high school classmate of Kaine Horman.

 

Mr. Cook is also one smarmy dude if his former spouse Shannon has anything to say about it.

 

Oddly, blinkoncrime.com has learned from an inside source that Cook was not called before the grand jury to testify. In the instant action for contempt, Kaine Horman’s attorney Laura Rackner specifically references the “sexting” and the text regarding Houze’s fee as information provided by law enforcement. 

 

So, was he acting as an agent for le or is he himself under investigation?

 

Jason Wishert

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William Jason Wishert is undoubtedly wishing he had not interjected himself in this case. Apparently new to the blogosphere via a request from Maxine Bernstein of the Oregonian, Mr. Wishert took to what he saw as his *nuveau*cause*celeb* status with moxy.

 

 

That was until he announced his appearance on the scaredmonkeys.net forum to answer questions about the case and cry the blues when he accused the Oregonian of using his rough notes to skewer Dede Spicher.  According to Wishert the “not a lot of kissing but plenty of telling” memo was not supposed to be published.  About 3 minutes into his introduction to his “sleuthing public” Wishert was asked why he spelled his name incorrectly and if he was indeed the son of convicted child porn possessor William Kent Wishart.  In a really bad move, Mr. Wishert denied the allegation and retreated with his tail somewhere on his person.

 

Kent Wishart, former CEO of Graphic Sciences, is in Federal Custody for the next 4 years for possession of child porn and engaging in a file sharing subscription for same. Jason’s brother Grant is an employee of GS.  All three Wishert’s hold numerous active and inactive business licenses throughout Oregon and Washington.  Graphic Sciences has a Mexican affiliate office.

 

Both Jason and his brother James Grant have had numerous legal entanglements (editor’s note: say it just like Chief Margie with the flat “a”) and our attempts to substantiate Jason’s claims about court appointed child advocacy certifications have yet to be confirmed.

 

However, with his Uncle John Kerr, Jason Wishert is heavily involved in the Friends of Pimpollo Charity which sponsors various children issues and an orphanage in Mexico.  FOP is a verified charity with a 50% tax deduction rate according to IRS Publication 78 in good standing, but they are years behind in their annual reporting.

 

Birthday Boy and America’s Frog Prince

 

Today, Kyron Horman’s eigth birthday, may not bring us any closer to where our frog prince is, but we do wish to extend our thoughts and prayers in celebration of his special day to his parents, friends and family. There are 2 celebrations for Kyron today. The picture below is an image of the birthday invitation chosen by his Mom, Desiree Young, and designed by scaredmonkeys poster Brandi.

 

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Images by Klaasend

Jason Mateos, Madeline Tanner, and Laura Cincaid contributing editors to this report

 

 

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2,950 Comments

  1. DE says:

    I am looking at the truck photo with the question “Is that a lawnmower?” and while the photo is small if you look at the side window of the truck you will see a reflection in the glass. I see the same reflection in the windshield of car sitting beside the truck. Or at least it looks like a car next to the truck to me. And the same reflection is coming off the windshield of the car as the truck side window. I don’t know if anyone else has mentioned the reflection aspect. I try to read all the comments but sometimes I miss some of the posts.

    I wish/pray someone would find Kyron.

  2. Madilu says:

    newsatfive says:
    September 12, 2010 at 1:38 pm

    Not to burden you with legalese, but “in recess” means “taking a break.” Adjournment is when the proceedings are completed.
    http://dictionary.law.com/Default.aspx?selected=1743
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    Semantics, –Åtminstone försöker jag..:-( My overall point was that is it NOT over…they have not been dismissed (adjourned, etc).
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    @ Madilu says: September 11, 2010 at 8:49 pm

    “They have returned a true bill, or a bill of ignoramus.”

    A “bill of ignoramus” is the same thing as “not a true bill.”
    *********************************
    Yep. you have a sharp eye…I made a typo above, but corrected it later…it was meant to read, “They have NOT returned a true bill, or a bill of ignoramus…”

    @ Madilu says: September 11, 2010 at 8:49 pm

    “In August, Judge Maurer extended the audio/visual recording restriction near the grand jury room until October 29th, which is an indication that they anticipated a lengthy convened GJ.”

    Do you have a source or link for this information?
    ***********************************************
    Certainly- Here you go:
    http://www.kgw.com/news/kyron-horman/Kyron-Horman-grand-jury-meets-again-101339004.html

  3. Idahogal says:

    Call me crazy, but I distinctly recall discussion of the Sanchez woman and children on here from several threads ago. At that time someone or something here led me/us to believe they were not related and thus the issue was dropped by all. Does anyone else recall that or do I need to go back and try to find it? Because if that was incorrect, and these are his kids or relatives, then now we are looking at a very probable motive for RS and/or his family/associates to be angry with TH and seek revenge (in addition to an ALLEGED canceled MFH). This would very much tie in to her 911 call that resulted in MCSO going to his home to chat in front of the wife and kids. On the flip side, if there is no relation here, we can safely move on. MOO.
    I’ll say it again…so many white trucks zipping around! It’s been frustrating me for weeks, too. I need a new vehicle, maybe I’ll buy a white Ford F250 truck! Oy vey!
    Happy Sunday to all.

  4. familythx says:

    @TBZ re: CSI shirt. I am not suggesting that Kyron ever watched CSI, however it is possibly merely ironic, but perhaps telling that he would be dressed in that shirt the day he disappears. I think it is more telling about TH. It might be considered a parapraxis: ie,an unconscious slip/tell.

  5. Orgona says:

    Yes if your using a legal SS that may not belong to you.
    B

    Oh, I see.
    TY

  6. Angela_nw says:

    Blink, didn’t wife of LS post on here one day a few weeks ago defending his character?

  7. Whaazupwitchu says:

    I am confused about he Mejia-Sanchez children. I thought 1) it was told somewhere (was looking and couldn’t find it) that they weren’t related to this case, weren’t they in CA? and 2) they were found, it was a custodial thing?
    AND I thought when a post from Oregonlive or somewhere and maybe they also posted here separately or it was just copied about “I know LS and he has a 7 yr. old and he wouldn’t do that…” kind of talk I thought Blink said that was his wife, though it could have been a joke. The English was perfect so I was thinking maybe his partner/wife is a native English speaker, which doesn’t have anything to do with the name, I know…
    Also saw this http://www.missing-children.net/aboutcri.html – a child finding organization that claims the highest rate of finding, though they do charge but they are also international
    If it was my kid I think (am not sure) I would also be going private for him. I know all these agencies are involved and they have all these things they are doing, not all related to Kyron, but there is still Kyron. I always think many heads can produce a good result (if it isn’t too many cooks spoiling the broth thing) Different people have different links and systems and communications. What not do both after this amount of time? And still everyone may need the ones that aren’t talking to talk. Maybe LE does have the people, but like I said, the mouths won’t open except to eat (and probably curse)

  8. Madilu says:

    @enumclawrose
    Not sure how the who you came up with the idea of a connection between the missing sanchez kids… here is an article I found that you might be interested in reading. Would be interested in your thoughts!!!
    http://portlandobserver.com/?p=4159

    couple more links on the father (?) -a truck driving business/nursery…?
    http://www.truckdrivingjobsin.com/bycity/Oregon/WOODBURN/UBALDO+SANCHEZ.aspx

    http://www.safersys.org/query.asp?searchtype=ANY&query_type=queryCarrierSnapshot&query_param=MC_MX&query_string=583280&Go.x=13&Go.y=8

  9. MockingbirdSings says:

    I have “updated my thinking”, which I realize may still leave me many miles behind, but in the hope there are others on the same path or close by, I am sharing my latest thoughts.

    PART 1:
    I believe Terri’s attitude about Kaine was due to his restrictions on her spending – not the particular amount of money, but the fact that HE complained about HER spending, and she labeled him selfish and mean and unloving.

    I believe she pursued Rudy and it wasn’t difficult to get an affair going.

    I believe she brought up the MFH and then about the 2nd or third time she talked about it, Rudy realized she was serious. He also realized this is an unfaithful woman whose children would be without a father and that he refused to listen and ended the affair when she pressured him. Rudy did not think she would really continue to pursue it, just that she was a little crazy. He did not go to the police because he is here illegally and because SHE likely threatened to make sure that he no longer could work around the school or anywhere she knew of – he thought she had a lot of influence, just as she said.

    I do not think the affair itself was a marriage ending issue with Rudy’s wife because it has been my experience the double standard is alive and well and even more obvious in many other cultures. The wife must remain faithful (so no respect for Terri except as a mother), the husband (and sons) are forgiven. There was no threat or expectation (or desire) that Rudy and Terri might both get a divorce and marry each other. Families here illegally and without much income need each other to survive. Rudy’s wife may have been angry at Rudy, but not permanently. (I’m not convinced yet that Elsy is Rudy’s wife since there are other women’s names that turn up as possible relatives.)

    James was a threat to Terri’s independence because he was skipping school and she knew it – he could have come home and walked in at any time on whatever was going on. She needed to give herself some space.

    I would not be surprised if Terri were frequently sexually abused as a child (after adoption) by someone she knew. She acts like a person who has learned early on that “performing” allows you to survive, and she seems to be detached from the relationships she tries to have if they include sex. If her parents know that, it could explain what appears to be overindulgence and denial – if she couldn’t be held accountable for her sexual behavior as a child, then she must not be accountable for it now either.

    Terri’s need is to win, but Rudy caused her to lose by walking out. As far as we know, it was her first loss when using sex as the playing card. She couldn’t just forfeit the game.

    Re the first 911 call – I believe either Rudy didn’t really go to the house at all, or she got him to come by telling him he had left tools there, or she was going to pay money she owed, or some other story. I think she wanted him to come and planned to have sex so SHE could dump HIM, maybe doing something that she could use to accuse him of sexual assault. When he didn’t fall for that, she called the adult version of “Mommy or Daddy” (LE) and expected LE to put him in his place thinking he’d get in even more trouble than he did because of his illegal status, and that he wouldn’t challenge her story. BUT Rudy stayed calm and talked to them, denied whatever the story was, and since he had done nothing criminal and had no record, he wasn’t reported to ICE. He did not mention the MFH then because he thought it was no longer a risk.

    Terri didn’t regain the “championship” by sending LE to scold Rudy. She was now at odds with:
    1 – James who might find out about anything she does if he won’t stay predictably at school
    2 – Kaine who is concerned about her spending which, for her, is a major challenge to her authority
    3 – the man she was hoping to manipulate and control in order to meet her emotional needs (Rudy) for awhile

    Terri started to lose it – either feeling tempted to drink again or maybe starting to drink during the day, changing her behavior toward Kyron (confusing him, but he loves and tries to take care of her), James (who has been through this before and will recognize the signs), and probably Kiara (who responds as a toddler would). Terri needed a man to manipulate so she can regain control of herself.

    Instead of taking her time to carefully choose the next “target” of her “affections” as she has done in the past, she built up her confidence and did a quick assessment of who’s available and where she can look (under what rock). She no longer totally relied on her standard criteria – attractiveness, advance signs that she’ll be able to manipulate the “target”, gut instinct, etc. She was in a hurry to feel better fast.

    The next person was NOT Michael Cook. He came much later and was obviously a new target. There has to be another lover between Rudy and Michael somewhere in April and May. She moved too soon, was careless, became too needy and chose someone who, unknown to her, also had his eye on Kyron.

    Terri always seemed to pick “trustworthy” targets before – men who were generously reluctant to tell on her and seemed to forgive eventually – THIS is the best reference for Rudy being the same caliber as her other male choices: that she selected him. After Rudy unexpectedly walked out of her control, she was trying desperately to get her own perceived needs met and she missed the warning signs she normally would have caught.

    The chosen “Mystery Lover” was manipulative, experienced in this sort of game playing, knew how to find and push psychological “buttons”, knew how to get information from her and use it, knew the school building, knew Kyron and Kyron knew him at least well enough to think TH approved of him, had opportunity to plan and set up what happened. If he didn’t do it, he had it done. If he didn’t want Kyron himself, he knew people who did and would pay with money or favors.

    Terri knows, of course, who the Mystery Lover is.

  10. Whaazupwitchu says:

    Well, OK, I was wrong they were taken from Portland, OR, and they are probably still gone, but how do we know they are related? Something to do with a woman not wanting to be with their father for sure

    Re: the cultural differences that the article talks about, I am sure they are true and also I see if the parents have skills, networks and money to contact the media it makes it a bigger case in public’s eyes, but maybe there is also a tendency to worry less when the one who took them is the female parent (or even male sometimes, thinking they might have a reason we don’t know or they are fighting over custody

  11. MockingbirdSings says:

    PART 2:
    I believe Anselmo doesn’t fit the role of Mystery Lover (although he was originally my first thought). He wasn’t available at the right time, and he’s gotten caught too many times to be that “good” at it (to take advantage of Terri that way). I believe Rudy is trying hard to stay here with his family and would not do or allow that to happen to Kyron, even in anger. I believe “Organized Crime” (OC, for now) as an entity did not seek out, target, or harass Terri or Kyron.

    I believe OC would not risk their business on something that “small”, but an individual with connections to OC would seize the opportunity. The Mystery Lover could use OC connections to help with or move Kyron out of the area – nothing to plan since the routes to move porn, human traffic, drugs, etc. are already in place if you know where to look – or it is entirely possible that the only connection between OC and Kyron is that the Mystery Lover was under investigation for something else (big) at the time.

    If Rudy was at school on June 4th, I believe it was a coincidence and he does not know what happened, but he does know Terri’s character. His presence may, however, have caused Terri to be less observant and more anxious to leave than normal. Because he messed up everything for her, in her eyes, she would point to him as the one who took Kyron even if she doesn’t know that. Obviously, he’s a “bad” guy to her and much less scary to point to than the Mystery Lover is.

    The doctor’s appointment may have been a true mix-up and maybe is just a distracting detail. How the Mystery Lover got Kyron away from the school doesn’t make any real difference to this theory except for identifying accomplices and a trail.

    The #1 reason to take Kyron and not just any kid at the school was personal desire (choice) and/or the “spoils” of the game Terri thought she set up. Kyron was young, small, male, compliant with adults, and had vulnerabilities (emotional with Terri, and vision that we know of).

    I believe Terri left not knowing anyone was going to take Kyron. Rather than her sending him to the truck, Kyron may have thought he left something in it (especially if SHE carried his backpack and jacket to the room) and ran outside to look before she left. She would have sent him back in – but she didn’t know he never made it back inside. The “male” Terri said she observed may have been her way of pointing to the Mystery Lover, hoping someone else would have noticed him – even though the context in her statement may have been inaccurate.

    I do not believe June 4th was a once only, critical date, or even that the SF was critical to Kyron’s disappearance. I believe the Mystery Lover rehearsed the possibilities in his head many times and was ready when the opportunity arose. If not June 4th, he would have tried another time and location. “Successful” criminals have patience, but move quickly, it seems to me.

    At some point on the morning of June 4th, the Mystery Lover called Terri. She had originally been in a hurry to get home and meet him for sex when he called to cancel (break up) and brag about what he’d done – winning the game and the prize. He told Terri (or hinted) that a kidnapping occurred. If he only said “your child”, she might have checked on Kiara first if she was staying somewhere else that morning, thinking Kyron was safe at school, then, finding Kiara safe, she probably thought it was a sick joke. Even if Kiara were with her, she didn’t have the sense or the guts to go back to school or call and check on Kyron – it was all about her. (Her email about picking up the project may also have led her to think Kyron was OK since no one called her after that either.) So Terri fooled herself into thinking all would be OK, and called DeDe for her opinion.

    Terri’s alibi, IMO, is screwy because she wasn’t trying to have one, she was just in a hurry to get home for sex, and then she had no time to think about it the rest of that day. She probably rode around with DeDe, telling her the whole story which would have taken awhile. DeDe’s best advice was probably to go home and wait – maybe it wasn’t even true, they hoped, because it seemed so farfetched, meanwhile giving the criminal(s) more time than they expected.

    Terri was not afraid for other children later – she knew why Kyron was targeted and it had only to do with him and with her. It wasn’t for revenge or ransom – it was for gloating over her and for personal desire for Kyron or for money, and the thrill of taking the opportunity she gave away. She had no personal fear of going home because she was aware something had already happened, she just wasn’t sure what – anything from a “sick way of breaking up with her” or a “huge crime” – and maybe she didn’t want to find out which.

    IMO, Terri’s stop at the access road, if there was one, could have been to text someone or to pick up something that fell over, fix make-up since she wanted to be ready to meet someone else soon, or whatever – coincidence like the doctor appt confusion.

    The sexting with MC later seems like such strange timing to many people, but it isn’t really. It was the only coping mechanism she had ever learned besides drinking, and MC had shown his concern in other ways so she felt he could be trusted. However, it appears he didn’t get dragged in and was cooperative instead.

    So we have, to my way of thinking now:
    - Rudy who is cooperative and deserves no criminal charges,
    - DeDe and Terri who should have checked on Kyron but decided to wait it out,
    - DeDe who has probably done nothing criminal,
    - Terri who knows the person(s) who did it and why but hasn’t cooperated and shares the responsibility for that as well as the MFH plan which I believe was real at the time, but she didn’t follow up on it,
    - Anselmo who was probably incarcerated on June 4th and may not have actively done it but might have some connection undetermined at this time,
    - MC who has done nothing criminal,
    - Jason W. who said he dated DeDe 2 months out of the 10 he knew her – could DeDe have introduced him to Terri?

    If all this adds up, then who is the Mystery Lover?
    And where is Kyron?

  12. Idahogal says:

    Whaazupwitchu says:
    September 12, 2010 at 6:20 pm

    Thank you! I don’t think you’re wrong, I remember this as well. Which is why I asked, because I’m scratching my head. Yes, I thought they were found and also not related. Color me confused. Looks like I’ll be digging around in the old posts for awhile, too. Like you, I would hire a PI if my kid was missing, and I would to help find Kyron if I had money to burn. One thing I keep in mind is that TY is a cop and has access to lots of information, so better than a PI perhaps. I don’t know if he would be allowed to look into things on this case or not.

  13. Ode says:

    http://radaris.com/p/Rodolfo/Sanchez/OR/

    Rodolfo Sanchez, 36 Canby, OR; Clackamas, OR; Milwaukie, OR; Oregon City, OR; Portland, OR
    Jaime S Estrada, Ubaldo R Sanchez

    Here is a simple google showing Rodolfo Sanchez in Canby related to a Jaime Estrada and an Ubaldo Sanchez…Help Blink…is there a connection here??

    Yes.
    However, I cannot confirm that the Ubaldo in question is the actual Ubaldo associated with Rudy.
    B

  14. Ode says:

    Blink, I am posting but my post do not show “in moderation” is something going on with the post I am sending?

    Found you in spam, your up.
    B

  15. Ode says:

    Blink, it must be the links I am trying to post. I did a simply google search AGAIN on Rodolfo Sanchez in OR. On radaris.com they show… Rodolfo Sanches, 36 Canby, OR; Clackamas, OR; Milwaukie, OR; Oregon City, OR; Portland, OR related to
    Jaime S Estrada, Ubaldo R Sanchez

  16. Tigi says:

    @puzzled says:
    September 12, 2010 at 2:31 pm

    “So then why hasn’t LE publicly exposed RS & Associates like they did TH & Friends?”

    I think the simplest, most reasonable explanation for that is that RS probably had a rock-solid alibi for the day Kyron disappeared.

  17. enumclawrose says:

    8.Madilu says:
    September 12, 2010 at 6:30 pm
    @enumclawrose
    Not sure how the who you came up with the idea of a connection between the missing sanchez kids… here is an article I found that you might be interested in reading. Would be interested in your thoughts!!!
    http://portlandobserver.com/?p=4159

    couple more links on the father (?) -a truck driving business/nursery…?
    http://www.truckdrivingjobsin.com/bycity/Oregon/WOODBURN/UBALDO+SANCHEZ.aspx

    http://www.safersys.org/query.asp?searchtype=ANY&query_type=queryCarrierSnapshot&query_param=MC_MX&query
    __________________________________________________________________
    My thoughts on the article are that I better understand MCSO comments on Ky being an unusual case. Most missing children are either runaways or family abductions. Yes, it is very unfortunate that they are not treated with the same concern, but I guess right or wrong, it could be argued that running away is a decision and family abduction is murky as to whether the abducting parent is escaping a bad situation or not. That said, all missing children cases deserve our equal attention.

    Your second posts pretty much disproves those being Rudy’s children, however, it is still possible they are related. I notice the little girls name, Jamie, is the female version of Rudy’s brother Jaime. Perhaps Elsy was not a woman scorned, but gathered her children in fear of the consequences of the criminal activities of the Sanchez brothers, or the threat she saw coming from TH after the May 9th confrontation with RS.

    What was really interesting to me was the post about Ubaldo’s USDOT carrier status. This is a number enacted since NAFTA went into effect for all interstate common carriers. What this means is that Ubaldo’s semi-truck is legal to cross international borders.

  18. newsatfive says:

    @puzzled says: September 12, 2010 at 4:12 pm

    “Circumstances: Jamie and Ubaldo were allegedly abducted by their mother, Elsy Mejia-Sanchez, on May 19, 2010. A felony warrant for Custodial Interference was issued for Elsy on July 27, 2010. ***Elsy Mejia-Sanchez resides @ 955 S Pacific Hwy, Woodburn OR … 12 miles on Hwy 99 (same as S Pacific Hwy) from Canby OR where RS has a PO Box (347) for his landscaping business. Wife takes 2 young children and disappears. Where???? How????? Let’s follow this trail!!”

    @Blink says:
    “They must really want to talk to her badly, because in order to get a warrant for custodial interference, someone else would have had to have a custody order in place, and there is not. B”

    In Oregon and Washington, paternity actions are sealed (not indexed publicly). Thus it is possible for someone who is not married to have a parenting plan that is in a confidential court file and not available for public inspection.

    You can also have the court order the unmarried parents to give the child the father’s last name (or the parties may elect to do so on their own). In some cases, the court will order a hyphenated last name in deference to both parents’ rights to the child.

    If Ubaldo Sanchez was born in the US, he may have a valid Social Security Number. If so, the references to him may be due to an adult using the child’s valid SSN, perhaps even for a business. Depending on how the SSN is used, it would not necessarily be illegal to do so per se, as a child can have an ownership interest in a business.
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    @Midwest Mom says:
    September 12, 2010 at 1:04 am

    “I GOT IT! The question is.. If the MFH agreement was made between Terri and LS 6-7 months prior, and the police were sent to LS residence on MAY 9th,THEN WHY didn’t LS confess to a crime he didn’t commit on May 9th? Blink biscuit?”

    @Blink says: “Uhoh. I am not sure I understand what you are saying. B”

    I get it: It doesn’t make sense that Rudy would fail to alert law enforcement on May 9, 2010, about Terri Horman’s attempt to arrange a murder for hire of her husband. If Rudy’s story were true, he would have had every reason to alert law enforcement to Terri’s plot against Kaine Horman, as it goes to her motive in calling law enforcement to go to Rudy’s house (i.e. if Rudy doesn’t help Terri with the murder for hire, she will have him deported).

    Instead, Rudy waits, and waits, and waits until law enforcement contacts him in June after Kyron is missing to say, “Oh yeah, there was this thing where she asked me to help knock off her husband, but I didn’t bother to call law enforcement.”

    That sequence of events doesn’t make any sense. What it sounds like is that Rudy is pissed about Terri dumping him and sending law enforcement to his house months before, so he retaliates by making up a story about Terri.

    Now, if it turns out that Rudy or one of his relatives or in-laws in involved, he has an even bigger motive to cast suspicion away from his family.

    Add to that the speculation that the Hormans have an open marriage. If true, what you could have is a situation where Terri didn’t really cheat on Kaine (as everyone was OK with it), but something went nasty when the other “consenting adult” flipped out and did something really bad.

    As a result, Terri might have had a pretty good idea who went after Kyron, yet had nothing to do with it. More important, Terri may well love Kaine, Kyron, and Kiara, and never wished harm on anyone. If that’s the case, IMHO, Terri would be blameless, yet potentially flunk the polygraph.

    Terri could also have flunked the polygraph if she was not forthcoming about her whereabouts. For example (hypothetically speaking), if she was out doing something that she did not want to reveal to police that has nothing to do with Kyron, i.e. having an afternoon fling with someone, engaging in illegal drug use, etc. Those issues may not be anywhere near the severity of a kidnapping, but any hint of such activities would be fatal to her teaching career.

    Same thing applies to voluntarily turning over her laptop. If there was something on it that might have harmed her teaching career, but nothing as to any involvement with Kyron’s disappearance, Terri might have refused to turn the laptop over for reasons unrelated to Kyron.

    Under those circumstances, you could call Terri’s actions selfish, yet she would nonetheless be innocent of any crime with regard to Kyron.

    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
    @Blink wrote: Thursday 9 September 2010 4:58 pm

    “When I asked her [Heather Walters, owner of Rosemont Farm] if she knew Rudy Sanchez or if she ever hired his firm to work at WWF [West Wind Farm, the farm where DeDe was working the morning of June 4], she [Heather Walters] replied ‘not that I recall, no, but we did have a blackberry clean up a few years ago so it is possible.’”

    I’m confused: Why would Heather Walters, owner of Rosemont Farm, hire someone to work as West Wind Farm?

  19. Pondering Life says:

    The fact that Sanchez is such a common name makes this tricky to sort out.

    http://www.namestatistics.com/search.php?name=sanchez&type=last

    “SANCHEZ is the #52 most common last name
    0.13% of last names in the US are SANCHEZ.
    Around 325000 people have SANCHEZ as a last name!”

    This is just in the U.S. The name Sanchez is even more common among people with ties to Mexico.

  20. Pondering Life says:

    http://names.mongabay.com/data/1000.html

    This site puts Sanchez at the 33rd most common surname in the U.S. It is more common than “Scott,” “Green,” or “King.” In other words assuming people named Sanchez are related is no more likely than assuming people whose last names are Scott, Green, or King are related.

  21. melissab says:

    Love it MockingbirdSings!!!! Sounds so right! I understand she could be paralyzed in fear for her own life or has been told by MysteryMan, if holding Ky, that if she talked he would kill him. Any idea on who MM might be? I picture TH as the type to sleep with her lovers best friend, brother, relative if jilted by him. Guess she didn’t bargain on how bad MM was, huh? I have always thought she didn’t stay at the school long cause she had something “more important” to do. lol Maybe she was riding around the woods, just not with Kitty and seen in various areas surrounding SI cause she was supposed to meet MM for a quickie in the truck.

  22. enumclawrose says:

    RE: SOCAIL SECURITY CARDS ON IMMIGRANTS/ILLEGALS

    In Washington State, if an illegal wants to get around have a social security card, they apply for an ITIN INDIVIDUAL TAXPAYER IDENTIFICATION NUMBER

    As you can see, one of the application documents listed is a driver’s license. In Waashington, we do not require proof of citizenship to obtain a driver’s license. In this state, a person can obtain a driver’s license, then apply and get an ITIN and they are good to go. Not sure, but I do not think ITIN taxpayers pay into social security. Maybe Oregon is different, but it’s easy to transfer a WA license to an OR license isn’t it?

    http://www.irs.gov/individuals/article/0,,id=222373,00.html

    Why did IRS revise the ITIN application process?
    The IRS revised the ITIN application process to help ensure ITINs are used for their intended tax administration purposes.

    What documents are acceptable as proof of identity and foreign status?
    IRS streamlined the number of documents the agency accepts as proof of identity and foreign status to obtain an ITIN. There are 13 acceptable documents. Each document must be current and contain an expiration date. IRS will accept documents issued within 12 months of the application if no expiration date is normally available. Documents must also show your name and photograph, and support your claim of foreign status. Below is the list of the only acceptable documents:

    • Passport (stand alone document)
    • National identification card (must show photo, name, current address, date of birth, and expiration date)
    • U.S. driver’s license
    • Civil birth certificate (required for dependents under 18 years of age)
    • Foreign driver’s license
    • U.S. state identification card
    • Foreign voter’s registration card
    • U.S. military identification card
    • Foreign military identification card
    • Visa
    • U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services (USCIS) photo identification
    • Medical records (dependents only – under 14, under 18 if a student)
    • School records (dependents only – under 14, under 18 if a student)

  23. Dee says:

    Many here have tried to show that Terri was blindsided by Kyron’s abduction but I don’t believe that. I fully believe that she set Kyron up for kidnapping that morning.

    She asked to borrow the truck so she could bring back the science project but didn’t stay long enough to get it…why not? So she could drive around to different stores, chat, get a Starbucks and then drive the backroads of Portland for an hour and a half? She also didn’t go back for the talent show that Kyron was to be in. Again, why not…so she could play games and post of Facebook? Why did she lie about her whereabouts to LE? Why didn’t the pings match up? Why did she flunk two polygraphs? Why was Kyron seen outside of school near Kaine’s truck? Why did Kyron, his friend Kurtis Villarreal AND the teacher all believe that Kyron had a doctor’s appointment that day if it was, as Terri said, the following Friday? Would all these people have heard the date wrong? Why did she say she went to the gym for an hour that day but really only stayed for fifteen minutes? Why did she take Kiara to the gym when Kiara was sick with an earache? Why was she unaccounted for that day for one and a half hours? Why did she lag behind Kaine when he wanted to meet Kyron at the bus? Why didn’t she call 911 at school when it was determined that he was truly missing? Why was she surprised when Desiree said she was driving up due to Kyron’s disappearance? Why did she walk out of the 2nd polygraph? Why was she playing computer games after Ky went missing and talking about sleeping on clean sheets and hitting the gym? Why was she sexting? Why did she ask friends to purchase untraceable phones for her under a false name? Perhaps most telling…why has she never said that she is innocent of any involvement in Kyron’s disappearance?

    Some of this could be explained by an “afternoon delight” with, perhaps a married man whose name she would not want to reveal but I really doubt it. That wouldn’t explain the sighting of Kyron outside by the truck by more than one person or the purposeful confusion about the doctor’s appointment. It also doesn’t explain why she has never proclaimed her innocence.

    Whether the abductor wanted Kyron for revenge or profit, Terri was the one who handed him over.

    ________________________________________________________

    Regarding any connection between the missing Sanchez kids and Rudy’s kids…I have studied Jamie Sanchez’s face and the face of the little girl at Rudy’s elbow in Blink’s picture and I do not see any resemblance. I do not know for sure if the little girl in Blink’s photo is Rudy’s daughter or not. She could be a niece or something but, if she is his daughter, she is not, in my opinion, the same as Jamie Sanchez.

  24. riverpearl says:

    Spent time looking @ truck photos:

    Blink truck photo is Kaine truck- to the far right is HIS blue house w/ white trim.
    Kaine’s truck is a LONG bed w/ running boards.

    The June 18th flyer questionnaire:
    photo of Kyron @ SF, 2 Terri head photos from 1st family presser & White Ford F250.
    NOT Kaine’s truck—
    Truck in photo is SHORT Bed w/NO running boards- or – different style of running boards than Kaine’s.
    The truck is ALL white NOT two tone. (Blow it up and color shines)
    Also, the FX painted on the rear upper fender is DIFFERENT that Kaine’s.

    http://www.kptv.com/download/2010/0618/23950224.pdf

    At the time of the June 18th press conference, Kaine’s truck would of been available for photos–
    So were LE LOOKING for confirmation to a SHORT bed Ford F250 @ Skyline 06/04
    - AND -
    was LE LOOKING for a LONG bed Ford F250 ALSO on 06/04 ???

    Or are we back to LOOKING for ANY White Truck ???
    - AND -
    WHAT was IN the BED of truck @ Skyline 06/04 ?

  25. Falstaff says:

    Terri’s teaching career was over before it started, seems like her people skills were lacking or she may have been offered a position after her substituting. While being polygraphed she should have felt free to say she was having sex with someone else IF she and Kaine had that kind of arrangement. I still believe she tried to set up this “kidnapping.” The doctor appointment, along with Kyron having symptoms no one else observed. Possible anger at school and wanting to sue the district. Unhappy in her marriage (would no doubt be “unhappy” in any marriage.) She sent James away, what was the “real” reason for that? Maybe James did just need a change but it sounds as though James and Kyron were close. Maybe she did just get psychotic from childbirth? When Desiree received word Kyron was missing she told Terri she was driving right up. Terri responded with “Why? What does that say?

  26. GraceintheHills says:

    42.lyla says:
    September 12, 2010 at 2:40 pm
    What could be the reason(s) Ky (and not Kiara) was abducted? If her smarmy cohorts wanted to cause her major grief that would have been the way to go…Ky was the target because she wanted to hurt Kaine and Ky was a P-I-T-A to her. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
    I am definitely on the same page as you are Lyla. It really seems that *if* TH is involved, Kyron is gone because she wanted him gone. Period.

    Consider this, folks: Allegedly AFTER years of wanting to secure a more permanent job with the Portland School System and failing; THEN using all types of “supplements”(per KH’s report) that ravaged her moods, caused extreme weight loss, and insomnia for days at a time, but helped buff her body; THEN drinking to the point of picking up a DUI and Child Endangerment conviction; THEN losing her once uber-buffed figure to pregnancy, a pregnancy that was allegedly a BIG surprise for KH; THEN having a post-partum funk which is difficult for any woman; THEN allegedly finding out KH had a lover (perhaps an uber-narcissistic injury for someone like her); THEN allegedly developing homicidal ideation/intent toward KH; THEN taking a lover; THEN having the alleged MFH fail likely due to RS’s vacillation; THEN having to put James out of the house; THEN, of course, Kyron’s alleged difficulites in school; THEN breaking up with RS in a snit and dragging LE and his family into it…You see the pressure is mounting, accumulating, and ALL THE WHILE she has been having to drive Kyron half-way to Medford one or two weekends a month to meet the lovely Desiree (which may have REALLY bothered her). I think the pot–which had been at a rolling boil for so long–just boiled over and she may have decided SOMETHING HAS TO GIVE, which could have easily evolved into THIS KID HAS TO GO.

    Re: the elusive butterfly/alleged scorned lover, RS–Scorned lovers, especially scorned, irate, illegal lovers–who make it their life goal to keep a healthy distance from ICE and their native country–don’t generally snatch innocent, timid seven year old boys with poor eyesight. That type of crime won’t just get you a one way ticket across the border, it can actually award you a one-way appt. with the executioner. Was it AS who was supposed to take Kyron? I just don’t know. Not enough information. And, maybe I have missed it, but I have seen no evidence that either of the LS are pedophiles. Please correct me if I am wrong, but pay particular attention to the definition of a pedophile.

    So, who took Kyron? Yes, I DO realize it IS still a possibility that someone totally unrelated to TH nabbed that little boy. Just not sure if this is probable. No offense to anyone, but I’m just not feeling those connections to the Russian Mafia, Mexican Drug Cartels, child traffickers, and so on. My Occam’s Razor, which I have used in my line of work for so long, is so sharp that it won’t let me go there that easily. :)

    I’ll close with one other thought, IF TH was involved:

    This was a very persuasive, talented vampire. When Kaine unwittingly opened the door and invited her in, he had no idea of the incredible pain and destruction that awaited him and those he loved. Had that door stayed closed, Kyron would likely be here today.
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    Come home, Kyron.

  27. riverpearl says:

    In Blink’s thread “New Clues in Kyron Horman Search…” June 23, 2010
    There is photos of Tanner Pumala’s home & driveway–which we know is next door to Horman’s.
    In driveway is what appears to be WHITE truck…

    Blink-”The Fuhrer residence, on the market since April 2010, borders the Horman property, and extensive search efforts covered this property. Their is a white truck and camper located at the residence in the photos of the listing.”

    “Brian Pumala, Tanner’s father is a plumber and recent electritian apprentice through JATC. He resides with one Ann Pumala on NW Mill in a houseboat on the channel. Quarry Rd, is directly behind his residence as well as the Quarry that was searched initially.”

    Blink also has the June 18th flyer/ questionaire on this thread,
    “blinkoncrime.com editor JM, an experienced investigator and polygrapher, believes strongly there would have had to have been a deceptive response to necessitate a second poly. Blink notes: I believe strongly this is designed to progress leads in this case. My opinion as to “why” may be very unique. It is almost as if they want someone to believe she is a suspect, stopping short of naming her. Could they be hoping for someone to make contact with her. Admittedly, agreed on the deceptive response, but could she have exposed a bad guy to Kyron through her behavior or actions, but had nothing to do with his disappearance? Those images are FBI generated from an analysis they preformed on her behavior, no doubt in my mind.”

    http://blinkoncrime.com/category/kyron-horman/page/3/

  28. newsatfive says:

    Madilu says: September 12, 2010 at 5:23 pm

    “Semantics, –Åtminstone försöker jag..”

    “Göra eller inte göra. Det finns inga försök.” -Yoda
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
    @ Madilu says: September 11, 2010 at 8:49 pm

    “Certainly- Here you go:
    http://www.kgw.com/news/kyron-horman/Kyron-Horman-grand-jury-meets-again-101339004.html

    Thank you.
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
    @TBZ says: September 12, 2010 at 4:53 pm

    “@familythx re: CSI t-shirt that Kyron was dressed in”

    “I have watched the show maybe once. I had a good friend that gave my 7 year old the t-shirt when she was visiting Las Vegas. You can bet that I wouldn ever allow my 7 year old son to watch CSI.”

    The T-shirt was a gift or hand-me-down from Kyron’s older brother James. Try prying that T-shirt off the back of a little kid.

    FWIW, my parents let me watch Quincy ME and Rockford Files when I was four years old. I turned out OK.

  29. newsatfive says:

    P.S. To Madilu: That was a joke.
    :-)

  30. viola says:

    I’m confused and new to reading here. Are the landscaper’s children missing along with his wife or not? If they are, hope they’re sure that the woman really ran away with the kids. What if something happened to the wife and the kids were taken somewhere? I’ll bet the wife caught (or was told by Terri) that Terri and LS guy were messing around and threatened to beat her up and/or demanded that she be taken over to talk to Terri. I’m not convinced that they are illegals until LE announces it, or that they were all that afraid of being deported. Some are wrong about Hispanic women. They don’t just accept their men cheating and let it happen. Maybe 100 years ago, lol

  31. MockingbirdSings says:

    I have been just as curious as everyone else as to where Rudy is now. That has led me to think about his truck. If he’s out of sight intentionally for LE, I don’t want to find him, of course.

    Blink – You said:
    He drives a white truck, which has a UCC lein, and is registered in WA
    B
    I know exactly who is on those liens.
    I also know that Mr. Sanchez has an INS problem.
    B

    As you know, a UCC financing statement is used to declare that particular property(s) and all the “connected stuff” are assigned to a particular bank or leasing organization (whoever granted the loan) in case the person declares bankruptcy, or there is some other loss. Then those who loaned the money are already on file for the claim to property or insurance benefits. There are 4 in the Washington data base with “Rodolfo Sanchez” or “Rodolfo D. Sanchez”, all with the same Vancouver address and all relating to 2 of the Muchas Gracias restaurants. None of these seem to be relating to a vehicle, and do not seem to fit Rudy, although one came close.

    Can you please share more about Rudy’s truck? I’d like to know if he uses a Washington license plate (an easy way to distinguish the white trucks). As someone said before, it has been common for people from WA to come to Oregon and buy vehicles because OR does not have sales tax (not good if you get caught), but not so much the other way around, especially if you need a loan written.

    I wondered if he had/has a WA address? a co-signer? a leased truck? a truck purchased through and for the use of a WA business? or is the truck not in his name at all?

    I’m wondering how he’s going to keep up with expenses, etc. If he’s an essential witness for a trial, which it appears he may be, I (we) want him to be around when needed.

    Note about Rudy and telling LE re MFH – Terri has shown herself to use lies in a variety of situations to suit her needs. I believe she could convince many people, and certainly those here illegally who are not sure of our LE and culture, that her personal influence is considerably greater than it really is. Ask yourself, if she had asked one of her previous 2 husbands to help her out and get rid of Kaine, would they have called LE or simply said, “Terri, you’re crazy. Either get over it or get a divorce.” Maybe they would have told Kaine, but if they thought she’d go to jail (if anyone believed them instead of her), they might very well have done what Rudy did.

  32. Tigi says:

    I’m sure I’m not the only person who’s thought of this, but I haven’t seen it written anywhere, so here goes…

    There’s been a lot of discussion about how TMH would pay for the hit on KH. It seems like it would be difficult for her to do it, having no known income at the time, and sharing funds with KH. My own speculation is that she was hoping she could persuade RS, or someone else, to help her by depicting KH as a bad husband from whom she needed to be saved, and by using her sex appeal.

    If this is what she did, it didn’t work with RS. Either he was telling LE the truth, and he refused to be involved, or he agreed to help TMH, but was waiting for a cash payment.

    Whichever the case, he was getting sext messages on his phone from TMH. Maybe he showed the sexts to his friends, and bragged about the crazy chick who asked him to kill her husband. Maybe someone took an interest, asked more about TMH, learned that she didn’t have money, but that she had kids…

    What I’m getting at is maybe someone, knowing what she wanted, went to her with an offer, and told her what he wanted. Maybe Kyron was payment for a hit on KH, to be done later. It’s awful, but I think it makes sense from what we know. TMH seems to have been involved in the setup for Kyron’s disappearance. I don’t think this was revenge against her. I think it was cooperation with her.

    But I hope this is not true. I hope when TMH turned RS away, it was because she found someone else, through her DDS connection perhaps, someone who thought they were taking Kyron away for a good reason, to save him from a bad father (lie told by TMH).

    Either way, I don’t think TMH wanted or expected to see Kyron again.

  33. enumclawrose says:

    The Oregon Secretary of State Corporation Division shows license #300176-93 for Sanchez Nursery Sales, 955 S Pacific Hwy, Woodburn, OR 97071. The authorized representative on file is Maria G. Sanchez and the representative is Ubaldo Sanchez, with with the same address. This is Elsy Sanchez’s address on the missing kids poster.

    If Ubaldo and Maria are married, then who is Elsy married to? Maybe Maria is mother or sister to Ubaldo, I don’t know. I guess we can’t assume the missing Sanchez children are Ubaldo’s as much as we can’t assume the are Rudy’s. I think it is too soon to cross these people off the list.

    Everytime I post the link to OR Sec.of State, my post gets lost. If you go to egov.sos.state.or.us and search for Sanches Nursery sales you should be able to find it. I also did an Oregon Dept. of Agriculture search on the nursery license, but the server has been busy all day.

  34. puzzled says:

    newsatfive says:
    September 12, 2010 at 9:24 pm

    Your explanation is the first that has made any sense to me. Again, Sanchez & Associates are the vampires!!!

  35. enumclawrose says:

    Address SANCHEZ NURSERY SALES LLC
    WOODBURN, OR 97071
    County Marion
    Fax 503/982-1362
    License Number AG-L0170990ND
    License Status Active
    Expiration Date 06/30/2011
    License Type Nursery Dealers, Florists and Landscapers

  36. enumclawrose says:

    Sorry for the typo’s on my last two posts. Here’s the Sanchez Nursery License information:

    http://oda.state.or.us/dbs/licenses/view.lasso?&division=nursery&key=AG-L0170990ND

    Address SANCHEZ NURSERY SALES LLC
    WOODBURN, OR 97071
    County Marion
    Fax 503/982-1362
    License Number AG-L0170990ND
    License Status Active
    Expiration Date 06/30/2011
    License Type Nursery Dealers, Florists and Landscapers
    _______________________________________________________

    300176-93 ABN ACT 07-15-2005 07-15-2011
    Entity Name SANCHEZ NURSERY SALES
    Foreign Name
    Affidavit? N

    New Search Printer Friendly Associated Names
    Type PPB PRINCIPAL PLACE OF BUSINESS
    Addr 1 955 S PACIFIC HWY
    Addr 2
    CSZ WOODBURN OR 97071 Country UNITED STATES OF AMERICA

    The Authorized Representative address is the mailing address for this business.
    Type REP AUTHORIZED REPRESENTATIVE Start Date 09-23-2008 Resign Date
    Name MARIA G SANCHEZ
    Addr 1 955 S PACIFIC HWY
    Addr 2
    CSZ WOODBURN OR 97071 Country UNITED STATES OF AMERICA

    Type REG REGISTRANT
    Name UBALDO SANCHEZ
    Addr 1 955 S PACIFIC HWY
    Addr 2
    CSZ WOODBURN OR 97071 Country UNITED STATES OF AMERICA

    New Search Printer Friendly Name History
    Business Entity Name Name Type Name Status Start Date End Date
    SANCHEZ NURSERY SALES EN CUR 07-15-2005

    Please read before ordering Copies.
    New Search Printer Friendly Summary History
    Image Date Action Transaction Date Effective Date Status Name/Agent Change Dissolved By
    06-17-2009 RENEWAL OF REGISTRATION 06-17-2009 FI
    09-23-2008 AMENDMENT OF REGISTRATION 09-23-2008 FI Representative
    07-03-2007 RENEWAL OF REGISTRATION 07-03-2007 FI
    07-15-2005 APPLICATION FOR REGISTRATION 07-15-2005 FI Representative

    New Search Printer Friendly Counties
    Counties Filed

    All Counties Filed.

    Above is the information from the Secretary of State License.

  37. sjso says:

    Kyron Horman, filed for a divorce and restraining order against Terri, 25 days after kyron vanished from Skyline Elementary School. Hmm, 25 days. That is a long time to sit around with a spouse you know LE is looking at so closely. Kaine has never mentioned (to my knowledge) what took place during those 25 days. What did they talk about, especially during the first few days. Did they try to comfort one another? Did Kaine think she was distraught, or lacking compassion? In other words Kaine was alone with Terri (with exception to baby) for almost a month..I’m not putting my thoughts together on this because its late and I’m tired.. but maybe someone is following my feelings..going to bed.. nite.

  38. Midwest Mom says:

    Midwest Mom says:

    Your comment is awaiting moderation.

    September 13, 2010 at 2:38 am

    (Snipped)
    @newsatfive
    @Midwest Mom says:
    September 12, 2010 at 1:04 am

    “I GOT IT! The question is.. If the MFH agreement was made between Terri and LS 6-7 months prior, and the police were sent to LS residence on MAY 9th,THEN WHY didn’t LS confess to a crime he didn’t commit on May 9th? Blink biscuit?”

    @Blink says: “Uhoh. I am not sure I understand what you are saying. B”

    I get it: It doesn’t make sense that Rudy would fail to alert law enforcement on May 9, 2010, about Terri Horman’s attempt to arrange a murder for hire of her husband. If Rudy’s story were true, he would have had every reason to alert law enforcement to Terri’s plot against Kaine Horman, as it goes to her motive in calling law enforcement to go to Rudy’s house (i.e. if Rudy doesn’t help Terri with the murder for hire, she will have him deported).

    Instead, Rudy waits, and waits, and waits until law enforcement contacts him in June after Kyron is missing to say, “Oh yeah, there was this thing where she asked me to help knock off her husband, but I didn’t bother to call law enforcement.”

    That sequence of events doesn’t make any sense. What it sounds like is that Rudy is pissed about Terri dumping him and sending law enforcement to his house months before, so he retaliates by making up a story about Terri.

    Now, if it turns out that Rudy or one of his relatives or in-laws in involved, he has an even bigger motive to cast suspicion away from his family.

    Add to that the speculation that the Hormans have an open marriage. If true, what you could have is a situation where Terri didn’t really cheat on Kaine (as everyone was OK with it), but something went nasty when the other “consenting adult” flipped out and did something really bad.

    As a result, Terri might have had a pretty good idea who went after Kyron, yet had nothing to do with it. More important, Terri may well love Kaine, Kyron, and Kiara, and never wished harm on anyone. If that’s the case, IMHO, Terri would be blameless, yet potentially flunk the polygraph.

    —————————–
    Thanks, you explained it much better than I.

    With the info that we have,RS had the same thing to lose in may that he had in July. If terri had asked him to kill kaine he would have used that card back then. Yes officer I know I am here illegally, but that crazy lady that sent you here has some screws loose, she asked me to kill her husband. No comparison illegal status vs killing husband. IMO the MFH never happened…as blink said early on, he is covering for something bigger. Adding a nail into terri, was his response that he was expecting payment from her(paraphrasing) that is just odd.

    Sorry it took me so long responding-i’ve been researching the sanchez, something fishy there. I keep finding myself in florida,anyone finding a
    florida connection?

     

  39. puzzled says:

    According to Blink …

    Rudy is the owner of RS Landscape Maintenance and one of the numbers records show is billed in his brothers name, Jaime Estrada Sanchez, who uses the name Jaime Estrada on his carpet cleaning business website.

    UBALDO SANCHEZ of 955 S PACIFIC HWY WOODBURN, OR 97071 is dba SANCHEZ NURSERY

    The two missing Sanchez children are named Jamie (age 5) and Ubaldo (age 1) and they were living at the 955 S Pacific Hwy address.

    Could it be that these two children were born in the US and issued SS#’s which are now being used by adult Jamie Estrada Sanchez and adult Ubaldo Sanchez?

    Perhaps this is why there is a a felony warrant for the mother, in an effort to pick her up and verify the identites of the children vs adult males.

  40. enumclawrose says:

    http://apps.co.marion.or.us/PropertyRecords/PropertySummary.aspx?pid=R13963

    955 S Pacific Hwy., Woodburn OR 97071 is owned by Maria and Ubaldo F Sanchez

    Their address is 459 4th Street, Woodburn OR 97071

    955 S Pacific is listed as a nursery, (go to zillow for a picture) but it also has a single family residence. Perhaps Ubaldo and Maria rented this to Elsy and her husband?

    The missing children connected to the Pacific Hwy address, and my guess is that Elsy is not Ubaldo’s wife, Maria is, if you look at how the registration reads. (Example Maria & Ubaldo Sanchez, wife and husband OR Maria Sanchez and Ubaldo Sanchez, sister & brother, mother and son).

    This Ubaldo has the middle initial “F” but the Ubaldo related to Rudy Sanchez on the radaris search by Ode has the middle initial R. This could be a typo (look where your R and F are on your keyboard).

    I think Sanchez is a common name, but how common is Ubaldo? Who is the father of Ubaldo (notice no Jr. after this name) and Jamie? Why did Elsy leave?

  41. enumclawrose says:

    @Mockingbird

    I checked WA State UCC filings. Found four records for Rudolfo and Rudolfo D Sanchez, in all of WA, but they were from Vancouver, WA. They seem to all have something to do with Rudolfo Sanchez of Muchas Gracias Restaurants. I was on the restaurant website awhile ago and dismissed that Rudy Sanchez as being this Rudy Sanchez. That is not what Blink means when she says she knows exactly who is on those liens, is it?

  42. Riverpearl says:

    Early KATU2 Newscast 4:30am Pdt
    Video @ Bullwinkle Kyron B’day party/ fundraiser
    Desiree speaks a bit for the reason to have it &
    How difficult it is not to have Kyron there &
    How cruel for someone not to release him.

    This b’day, school starting & no Kyron is really taking a toll on Desiree.
    This video is so very sad.
    May Desiree have extra support.

    WHERE is HER little man?

  43. loreli48 says:

    Dee – I believe you are right on the money. Terry is obviously the one who gave Ky up. Makes me sick to my stomach. Me and Terry for five minutes – Trust me – we would know where the little guy is. Praying for you daily Kyron xxooxx

  44. Midwest Mom says:

    puzzled says:
    September 13, 2010 at 3:08 am

    According to Blink …

    Rudy is the owner of RS Landscape Maintenance and one of the numbers records show is billed in his brothers name, Jaime Estrada Sanchez, who uses the name Jaime Estrada on his carpet cleaning business website.

    UBALDO SANCHEZ of 955 S PACIFIC HWY WOODBURN, OR 97071 is dba SANCHEZ NURSERY

    The two missing Sanchez children are named Jamie (age 5) and Ubaldo (age 1) and they were living at the 955 S Pacific Hwy address.

    Could it be that these two children were born in the US and issued SS#’s which are now being used by adult Jamie Estrada Sanchez and adult Ubaldo Sanchez?

    Perhaps this is why there is a a felony warrant for the mother, in an effort to pick her up and verify the identites of the children vs adult males.

    __________________________________
    Wow, very good point, I know of people who have used their kids identities for credit because theirs was messed up..how do people even come up with these things? If they would only use their creativity for something positive.. sheeesh.

    Elsy the daughter of Maria and Ubaldo?

  45. GraceintheHills says:

    23.Dee says:
    September 12, 2010 at 11:55 pm
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
    Well said! I totally agree with you.

  46. Satori says:

    Re: Sting.

    Did we learn on this site the exact way the sting played out, or was it assumed that Rudy showed up to receive payment for MFH.

    I read somewhere that the sting went like this:

    Rudy shows up with an undercover at Terri’s house asking for $10,000 to NOT tell LE about the MFH.

    Actuallly, Rudy asking for money NOT to tell makes more sense to me.

  47. Satori says:

    RE: Sting Continued.

    The reason it makes more sense is that I think that after Rudy told LE about the alleged MFH, LE came up with the black mail approach versus a “pay up anyway” intimidation approach.

    If the MFH were indeed true, I seriously doubt that Terri would have seen Rudy going to LE about any of it because of his alleged illegal status. But I am entirely uncertain if MFH is based on fact.

  48. DEB1948 says:

    JUNE 4TH…TH picked that day to rid herself of Kyron because: He was going with his mother and Tony, Kyron
    knew something, saw something. I believe she may have been giving him some drug,then sitting up the senario of “him being spacy”…TH did not want him seen by the DR.,and did not want him to reveal anything to the Youngs. This did not happen over night…she has been up to a lot for months! The planning…science fair,e mail to teacher, alibi,fred myers, gym,in her mind she was covered with alibi’s…..I believe in her “Circle”, it would be real easy to find a helper! Her reaction…Susan Smith and Casey Anthony will win the Oscar for best performing acctress……TERRI…You are guilty looking…Come clean, do something right for your daughter and son…OR are you like Scott Peterson, remember……his wife and baby floated up on PALM SUNDAY,IN TACT! Good always prevails over EVIL. I Pray God enters your heart and your accomplices to Reveal the truth! WHAT GOES AROUND, COME AROUND…THAT CAN BE SCARY!

  49. Satori says:

    RE: Sting Cont. Again!

    I need more coffee!!

    What I intended to include in my last post is that if MFH WAS true, then would Terri have really phoned the police on Rudy in May given that Rudy could have retaliated with MFH as a result of her actions? Rudy’s alleged illegal status is nothing compared to MFH. And, if true then, why did he not confide in May?

    Rudy does appear to be an “opportunist” with the MFH story. If he is illegal and/or has other things going on that he would not want found out, he is likely going to try and take the focus off of himself.

  50. Satori says:

    OK, here is more food for thought.

    If LE shows up at someone’s house, are they likely to ask for proof of legal status if that is not the reason they are at the door? If Terry merely said that there was inappropriate action from Rudy toward Kiara and her, then would LE really inquire about legal status? Is Terri going to say, “You know, I was having an affair with this illegal until I no longer wanted to. Therefore, I am informing you of his status at this time!” LOL.

    On the other hand, if Rudy is contacted as a result of Kyron’s disappearance, then it is likely his legal status is going to come up, especially if he accuses Terri of soliciting him to kill Kaine.

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