Kyron Horman Case: Terri Horman Sexts Sent To Kaine Horman’s Phone…. WHAT?
HOLD THE PHONE
In what can only be considered the latest bombshell development in the case of missing Portland boy, 7 year old Kyron Horman, blinkoncrime.com has discovered that the recent sexually graphic text messages or sexts, allegedly exchanged between Terri Horman and mutual friend Michael Cook, may have been altered. Definitely, alter-able.
Blinkoncrime.com has confirmed that the phone number which Kaine hand-wrote on the originally sealed emergency restraining order dated June 28, 2010, matches the cell phone number he also alleges, through his attorney Laura Rackner, was used by Michael Cook to RECEIVE the “sext” messages in question.
What’s the issue?
Kaine Horman owns the phone and the account it is registered to, and unless the allegation is that Terri Horman, using her own phone as purported by Kaine, is herself posing as Michael Cook and sexting herself, which would seem like a physical impossibility given some of her *glamour shots*, we have a serious problem.
In Kaine’s own handwriting on the June 28th Restraining Order, he pens that is an alternative number for Terri Horman.
In the contempt order filed by Kaine Horman on July 12, Ms. Rackner states that she has personally seen the “work phone” records of Michael Cook, and goes on to say “a search” of his cell phone reflected that he took snapshots on June 28th of the earlier served restraining order, which had been sealed, and was the basis for the contempt motion in the first place. He took pictures of sealed documents on the phone belonging to the other person bound by the same order prohibiting Terri Horman from showing anyone. As there are no texts on the work number until July, it is the only logical conclusion.
I am going to go out on a limb here and assume that at some point it occurred to someone that using good faith information in your affidavit, which when not alerting the court that your client has complete ownership and access to the data on the phone account in question, can look like bad faith in a nano-second, thus the withdrawal.
However, not everyone is on the same the playbill because the 21 pages of texts, which were released in PDF format, and do not include any numbers for Terri Horman herself, were supplied in an electronically redacted format; which again indicates this was not an original file.
It was not until the unredacted pdf’s became available October 26th and we converted them to HTML files could we see that based on the file format, it is clear these records came from the account owners and were not subpoenaed from the carrier. Original files, also provided to the respondent, are the requirement of the court. We all know texts can be sent from our phone online accounts, and from our phones directly; I think I even have voice command to text widget thingie.
Anyone that had access to the account, which is registered to Kaine Horman, could clone, spoof, or manipulate those messages, period. That aside, let’s consider the possibility that Terri Horman HAD implicated herself even slightly in any messages on phones that may be utilized to illicit information by a woman who demonstrated her complete knowledge that she understood what expectation of privacy parameters she was under the impression she was operating under, and engaging in, with the “textee”.
Terri Horman was represented by counsel, it would not be difficult for Stephen Houze allege that Kaine Horman was in constant contact with MCSO, had already been provided case sensitive information by them, and as such, was acting as an agent in soliciting the text messages. You see where I am going with this?
The fruit of that poisonous tree is more like the fruit of the poisonous orchard.
The implications of this scenario are abysmal. While I completely understand the desperation of a Father wanting to locate his child, since I have yet to really see anywhere Cook attempts to engage Terrri Horman about Kyron’s whereabouts at any time; I do not get the point of the exercise.
Ms. Rackner is a first rate “Super Lawyer”, but she is not above the burden of her duty to insure that what is being provided to her as a “good faith basis” is just that.
Does this information make Terri Horman any less vulgarly inappropriate at best? Hell to the No.
While it is true on the surface because of this information one will be hard pressed to prove it was definitely Terri Horman who sent the electronic ipecac none of us will soon forget, her attorneys have not denied it was her, nor do I expect them to, at least not until they read this.
What it does, yet again, is potentially compromise the criminal case involving the disappearance of Desiree Young and Kaine Horman’s son Kyron.
This afternoon, blinkoncrime.com contributing editor and Legal Analyst, Lea Conner weighed in:
Kaine Horman claims that law enforcement provided the texts records to him, but that does not mean that the records came from the cell phone provider, nor does it mean that the conversations involve Michael Cook or Terri Horman.
In fact, there are indications that the text message transcripts filled by Mr. Horman are not as they appear. At least one of the phones purported to belong to “Michael Cook” is registered to Kaine Horman.
Just as important, none of these records indicate any information about the texts Mr. Horman alleges were sent by his wife. Mr. Horman does not list any cell phone number, not one message ID, not one cell record that indicates the identity of other party to the conversation let alone indicating Ms. Horman as the other party to the text message “conversations.” In the case of the phone with the “503″ prefix (503-XXX-XX76), Mr. Horman is the registered owner of the phone that was purportedly sending texts as “Michael Cook.”
More bizarre, Mr. Horman listed this number as belonging to Terri Horman in his application for a temporary restraining order. Was this a slip on the part of Mr. Horman? Mr. Horman claimed in a motion for remedial contempt that Ms. Horman showed a copy of the restraining order to Mr. Cook and allowed him to photograph the document.
Given that the phone Mr. Horman is the registered owner of the phone he purports was used by “Michael Cook,” it begs the question as to whether Ms. Horman ever allowed Mr. Cook access to the sealed restraining order. As a party to the action, Mr. Horman had the very same sealed documents. Mr. Horman, through Counsel Laura Rackner, claimed to have reviewed Mr. Cook’s “work cell phone records.”
It is not clear if the documents Ms. Rackner referenced as Mr. Cook’s “work” cell records are, in fact, for the phone registered to Mr. Horman. If the sealed documents referenced in Mr. Horman’s contempt motion were photographed with the phone registered to Mr Horman — the same phone that Mr. Horman claims was used by Mr. Cook — it might help explain why Mr. Horman withdrew his contempt motion.
Had he gone forward with the motion, he might have had to explain how it was the documents allegedly photographed by Mr. Cook were the same documents that he had in his possession, and that the phone used to photograph sealed court documents was registered to him, not Mr. Cook.
The records for the phone with a “971″ prefix (971-XXX-XX63) are unlisted. This phone also purported to send texts as “Michael Cook.” Due to the unavailability of any registration for this phone, it is impossible to tell to whom the phone belongs, or who was actually sending texts from this phone. The unredacted copy of the cell phone records filed on October 25, 2010, only identifies one caller on each set of cell phone records. This means that the records came from the phone, not the cell provider. Text records on pages 1 through 12 of Exhibit 1 are from (503) XXX-XX76 (“Cell Phone A”). These pages allegedly represent text messages sent between 10:17 pm on June 30, 2010 through 7:19 pm on July 1, 2010.
In separate court documents, “Michael Cook” is identified as the sender of text messages and the recipient of text messages is identified as “Terri Horman.” Cell Phone A is a Cingular/AT&T cell phone registered to Kaine Horman. It is also a phone number listed by Mr. Horman in his restraining order application as a phone number for Ms. Horman.
Pages 1 through 12 of Exhibit 1 does not list any phone number for the portion of the conversation attributed to Ms. Horman, only that the texts listed were received by (503) XXX-XX76. Text records on pages 13 through 17 of Exhibit 1 are from (971) XXX-XX63 (“Cell Phone B”).
These pages allegedly represent text messages sent between 6:49 pm on July 4, 2010 through 8:30 am on July 6, 2010. The bottom of page 17 has a partial text message sent on July 6, 2010, which purports to be sent after 8:30 am. Cell Phone B is an unlisted cell phone with AT&T (formerly Cingular).
In separate court documents, “Michael Cook” is identified as the sender of text messages and the recipient of text messages is identified as “Terri Horman.” Pages 13 through 17 of Exhibit 1 does not list any phone number for the portion of the text messages attributed to Ms. Horman, only that the texts listed were received by (971) XXX-XX63. All texts in Exhibit 2 are from Cell phone A, and allegedly represent text messages sent between 2:29 pm on July 3, 2010 through 9:40 am on July 4, 2010.
Exhibit 2 does not list any phone number for the portion of the text messages attributed to Ms. Horman, only that the texts listed were received by (503) XXX-XX76. All texts in Exhibit 3 are from Cell phone B, and allegedly represent text messages sent between 8:44 pm on July 6, 2010 through 8:41 am am on July 7, 2010. The top of page 1 of this exhibit has part of an undated message from 8:41 am., possibly on July 6, 2010, that states “I understand. I’m upset about kitty. I didn’t do [sic]”
Exhibit 3 does not list any phone number for the portion of the text messages attributed to Ms. Horman, only that the texts listed were received by (971) XXX-XX63. Surely investigators working on this case must know that the cell records filed by Mr. Horman as coming from Michael Cook’s phone were not from Mr. Cook’s phone, but from a phone registered in his own name.
Someone in law enforcement must have noticed that the number Mr. Horman claims belong to Michael Cook is also the number he claimed belonged to his wife in his TRO application. Mr. Horman signed his application for temporary restraining order on Monday June 28, 2010, prior to its filing at 4:39 pm that afternoon.
This was two days after the Multnomah County Sheriff’s Office conducted its failed sting operation at the Horman residence on Saturday June 26, 2010. MCSO was unable to confirm the murder-for-hire plot that had been alleged by the landscaper. As a result, MCSO was not able to arrest Ms. Horman.
As such, why did law enforcement then give the green light to Mr. Horman to obtain a restraining order on the basis that his wife had hired to hire a hit man? Or did Mr. Horman act unilaterally without the endorsement of law enforcement? Surely Mr. Horman must have known that law enforcement could not verify the landscaper’s story, yet he went ahead and filed a restraining order based on the very allegations that law enforcement could not verify. So why did he sign his name to allegations that he knew were not true?
The text messages don’t check out. The murder for hire allegations don’t check out. The only common thread here is a man whose son disappeared on June 4, 2010. As tragic and anguishing as Mr. Horman’s circumstances may be, that does not excuse misrepresenting information to the court.
Mr. Horman cannot claim that the phone registered in his name is Michael Cook’s work cell phone, nor can he claim that the phone allegedly used by Michael Cook was used by Ms. Horman. When Sheriff Dan Staton talked about knowing things that might surprise people, could he have been talking about cell phone records? Maybe Stephen Houze and Peter Bunch will force the sheriff to reveal its source for the records.
Although the answer would not bring Kyron home, it might at least alleviate some of the blame heaped on Ms. Horman, as unpopular as that may be.
Lea Conner, contributing editor, blinkoncrime.com
Madeline Tanner, copy and contributing editor, blinkoncrime.com
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beejay says:
November 22, 2010 at 5:11 pm
SO, this person got Ky out that day, but has since disappeared. Or is locked up, awaiting a case to be made against him. Because, between all the witnesses there that day, and their photos and videos which LE is making a patchwork of, the perp is/will be known. And knew he would when he did it.
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Wow beejay, that last sentence really says a mouthful. This person must be completely bold and/or in custody.
I agree with familythx. There are some great minds on Blink’s site and I am always impressed with everyone’s intelligent point of view. I’ve been reading (and contributing an opinion or two on occasion) on BOC since the beginning of the Casey Anthony case, and I’m proud of it. I can even bring up BOC on my new cell phone. That’s how much I depend on Blink for getting the best information. Thank’s for keeping everything in proper perspective Ms. Blink – which is justice for the victims of violent crime.
Heart u and thanks.
B
Idahogal says:
November 22, 2010 at 4:59 pm
Sorry for posting so much, I barely had access to the computer yesterday due to hubby’s Fantasy Football addiction, argh!
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yea, well … we’re gonna have to have a talk with Mr “I” about that. You’re needed here. lol
Sammy says:
November 22, 2010 at 2:08 pm
@ weeds.
From your post today at 8:19am today, you wondered about the “Reckless Endangerment Another” charge that TMH had on the same day as her DUI.
As I have understood … that additional charge to her DUI was b/c Terri was driving drunk with her young son James in the car. (child endangered by TMH)
Thanks for the many great links in your post.
@ sammy Thank-you that explains it. =)
enumclawrose says:
November 22, 2010 at 7:42 pm
Also, did Weeds mean the ‘We are not accepting applications from this person at this time.’ (?)
Jackie Bauer
says:
November 22, 2010 at 6:20 pm
I thought she was a reading specialist, certified to teach thru college level, and trained in all the usuals? That is not what it says on this certification, if I’m reading it correctly
@Jackie Bauer: yeah your reading it the same way I am. =)
@Rosy …
I’m still in moderation about the white trucks around 5 pm today. What if the vehicle in the south lot is the other white truck?
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I think this is the vehicle of Suspect #3.
this is the 2nd white truck … parked in front of the school between 8:15 a.m. and 8:45 a.m. and the one with the male in the cab and where Ky was seen.
ooops Rosy, was wrong. only read your post and didn’t read where B corrected my assumption.
Shoulder yes, Terri. Access Road, no. They are 2 different locations.
B
so, who’s parked out front???? Geez … are we back to “who’s on first”?
enumclawrose says:
November 22, 2010 at 3:08 pm
When Blink said there was one way in and out of the school, she was referencing the parking, not the building IIRC. If TH was parked around back, then the second white truck was supposed to be parked on the access road, but in reality was somewhere else.
Remember the pressor regarding DDS and the trucks? They were also looking for someone parked in the side lot (no vehicle description given), facing the access road. Perhaps this is where the second white truck really was.
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we really must look at the aerial maps again!!!
Falstaff says:
November 22, 2010 at 1:00 pm
I remember during one of the press conference’s with Desiree and Kaine (It might have been at the church) something was said about Kyron being in the parking lot. He was seen outside the school, and then Desiree said “Kaine’s truck.” Meaning there was more then one truck, and the truck Kyron was standing near at that time was “Kaines truck.” At the time I felt it was an odd thing for her to mention, and the manner in which she said it I noticed. I know I heard it, can’t look for it now, maybe this evening.
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This is a transcript I made of the interview you’re referencing:
KGW.com Kaine Horman & Desiree Young 8/27/2010 Part 2;
http://www.kgw.com/video?id=101688128&sec=547987
Sarah: “Oh, just, just, because I don’t want to miss this part; the truck, because that’s important. There’s more evidence that came out about a white truck. Potentially one person in the truck…three people…THE WHITE TRUCK, Terri’s truck, can you…”
Desiree: “Kaine’s truck.”
Sarah: “Kaine’s truck, I’m sorry, I just don’t want to miss anything. And I know we have to go. Umm, ’cause that’s important. That’s new information.”
Desiree: “yeah”
Sarah: “What are your thoughts on that new information? Do you feel as though DeDe was in that truck?”
Desiree: “It just makes me feel stronger that there were people helping her. That Kyron saw it all and was involved and that there were other people helping her. Which is what we suspected.”
Sarah: “So, because…But, do you believe a man was spotted? I mean, again, these are witness accounts and I don’t know how much information that you’ve been privy to about, uh…What is the likeliest scenario?”
Desiree: “Well first of all, why would Kyron even be outside the school? Why would he even be near a truck with somebody else in it? It’s significant, in a huge way, to the case. If the timeline played out the way that it supposedly did…that contradicts that completely. So, I mean other than that…that’s how significant it was to me.”
Sarah: “How authentic do you think that witness is?”
Desiree: “Very authentic.”
Sarah: “So it’s a credible witness.”
Desiree: “Yeah.”
Sarah: “And what, exactly, are they claiming they saw?”
Kaine: “Well, to be direct about it; I think law enforcement needs to determine that still.” …
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Desiree was correcting the interviewer when she said; “Kaine’s truck”
puzzled says:
November 22, 2010 at 8:10 pm
Now I need to re-adjust. Horman truck on the shoulder. Other white truck #2 in the back. There was someone who saw or claimed a white truck on the access road. Why would they do that unless they WANTED to say they were on the access road? This has to be whom ever was parked in back that probably should not have been. What do you think?
@5. Puzzled. Out front IS the shoulder (Terri 815-845). Truck 2 is rear. Q is, how about that older boy with sci fair project in gym who saw Kyron there in tge gym with friends and concurrently saw Terri’s truck, he said, out back? Was it the other white truck he saw?
32.enumclawrose says:
November 22, 2010 at 5:10 pm
Kimberly, Looks like you, Puzzled and I are homing in on the same white truck comments from Blink, especially since her most recent post about no white truck on the access road. What is your take on what this implies?
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Goshhhh, I just don’t know yet! It seems I have more questions
than theories or ideas at this moment.
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@ Beejay,
I agree, but what I don’t get is, when you say
they (perp) knew they would be known”!
Do you really think they wanted to be known of
doing such a thing?
33.beejay says:
November 22, 2010 at 5:11 pm
@ Kimberly says:
November 22, 2010 at 4:51 pm
Lets all not forget this from Blink!
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This person is affiliated with the school enough to risk taking a child out of it and not have hundreds of parents, teachers and faculty know exactly who to point the finger at.
B
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SO, this person got Ky out that day, but has since disappeared. Or is locked up, awaiting a case to be made against him. Because, between all the witnesses there that day, and their photos and videos which LE is making a patchwork of, the perp is/will be known. And knew he would when he did it.
e-rose: that shows us a rationale by which LE could legitimately reassure Skyline parents that it was an “isolated incident”. Which is their official position, IIRC.
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Blink will correct me if I’m wrong,
but I haven’t heard of anyone
being “officially ruled out”,
only what we have sleuthed on this site and made our own
opinions about!
My opinion on MC is that he was used and he used.
puzzled says:
November 22, 2010 at 8:01 pm
snip>I think this is the vehicle of Suspect #3.
Way back when, I thought there were three suspects, just based on the information LE was looking for. I don’t want to confuse three vehicles with three suspects, but it could be up to three. We think we know have TH arriving in a white truck, and we possibly have an abductor with a white truck, or an abductor with a vehicle in the south lot, or both, or all three. WHY all of these vehicles and people? I understand three people maybe in the grand scheme of things, but why so many people and vehicles to pull this off at the school?
39.Idahogal says:
November 22, 2010 at 6:07 pm
Ya’ll know what I would really like? If @weeds could access TH’s computer hard drive! Can you imagine what we could do with that?! Oh well, a girl can dream…
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Kimberly says:
November 22, 2010 at 4:51 pm
Lets all not forget this from Blink!
This person is affiliated with the school enough to risk taking a child out of it and not have hundreds of parents, teachers and faculty know exactly who to point the finger at.
B
Yes, and then I think of when Blink said: “I have a feeling this person is going to stick out like a sore thumb”, and I get stuck again. Sort of a catch 22 for me.
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Blink,
Am I completely in left field to wonder if it
is even worth considering that another student,
was involved to get Kyron to or with the perp?
Unknowingly, or knowingly?
Possibly and older student, or even the same age?
Sue says:
November 22, 2010 at 7:55 pm
thanks blink
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Sue same person as “suz?” I always wondered what happened to suz. I used to think lilly and suz were the same person, both are very objective and able to see all points of view.. Then I realized lilly was a little more feisty than suz (giggles) lilly you have always been one of my favs. I’ve been “addicted” to BOC about 15-16 months
@Rosey …
Blink says: … “I know that they were already aware there was nobody parked on the access road and the pic was photoshopped” … B
There was definately an additional white truck. It was not parked on the access road.
B
Shoulder yes, Terri. Access Road, no. They are 2 different locations.
B
Idahogal says:
November 22, 2010 at 6:07 pm
@Kaylee- I forgot to ask, who is Harry Morgan? Or did you mean Harry Oakes with the dogs? The only Harry Morgan I can find was on the MASH TV show,lol.
Harry Morgan, oh dear, where did I come up with that? Yes, I believe “Rosebud” was searching with Harry Oakes, but not the one who wrote the note. I must have been thinking of mashed potatoes for Thanksgiving Dinner. I used to read the psychic websites once in awhile and was amazed that there are people who spent the whole of last summer searching different areas based on psychic information. In actuality, they are the same areas searched by LE, so I’m not sure the info was strictly psychic. One of the areas searched was developed from information published by Blink. While reading some of the posts on that website, I recognized a good friend who I haven’t seen for a couple of years. I emailed her about it, we exchanged ideas, and she put me in touch with a fellow searcher. I believe the fellow searcher is the one who wrote the note and did so because she felt Kyron had spoken to her.
Grace in the Hills said:
I’m going to go out on a limb here. I am thinking that it never happened the way she said. She did not wave goodbye to Kyron as he walked toward his classroom. Perhaps, that exchange never occurred at all.
I agree, Grace. In my humble opinion, I think it’s quite possible Terri directed Kyron to go someplace, like the truck so she wouldn’t be seen escorting him out. I can even imagine her practicing with him in days/ weeks preceding: ” Let’s see if you can go to the truck all by yourself like a big boy – there’s a treat waiting for you”. I think this was meticulously planned. Or perhaps she directed him to go with someone to see the cool electric one. Here are things we know: LE has emails that show she hated Kyron with a passion and blamed him for her failing marriage. She tried to have Kaine whacked ( watched a lot of Sopranos). What would stop her from hiring a person/persons to take Ky? Maybe it was her “co-workers” in crime. I agree with those of you who think that what Staton said about our being shocked (sorry – too tired to scroll back and see who said what) isn’t so shocking to us who’ve come up with every case scenario possible. The only thing that would shock me about his actual disappearance is if the person who Blink feels will stick out like a sore thumb is a cop. That would chill me to the bone.
Thanks for the kind words TBZ.
@kimberly: If I understood your sequence within your 9:31 post, you were asking me this:
@ Beejay,
I agree, but what I don’t get is, when you say
they (perp) knew they would be known”!
Do you really think they wanted to be known of
doing such a thing?
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Beejay answering: NOOOOOOOOO. What I’m saying is this gives us a clue about who the perp is and is not. It is someone who knew he could NOT stay in the community, on his job, etc. after he disappeared Ky.
(OR, my alternative: he’s not too bright and didn’t know that ahead of time. Let’s leave that out for the moment.)
Let’s also leave TH out for the moment. Let’s assume she (and or Kaine, maybe) thru their lifestyle choices, let the vampire in. Since Blink is adamant about Rudy’s involvement, and since Rudy seems fairly bright, let’s consider this possibility:
1) TH had been avoiding Rudy for awhile (after the Mother’s Day incident at her home, etc). She thought he might be at the school that day. Why? IDK. Maybe thought he might be working on his landscaping project. Or might go there to stalk her, with the excuse of checking on his landscaping.
2) Rudy was there. And he’s the one that directed Ky to go outside for something, which took him to or near a white truck (not the Horman truck). Rudy, being clever, was never seen walking outside the school with Ky. But Ky went to a white truck that was driven by the perp (the guy Blink says WOULD stick out like a sore thumb at Skyline); Ky was subdued, quickly hidden in the truck under a tarp or something. Perp leaves with Ky.
3) Rudy was in another vehicle. Not a white truck.
It gives us somebody clever enough to plan the disappearance. And clever enough not to do the actual deed himself. And sufficiently known to Ky to get Ky to go close to the perp, who is not part of the school or community. And is now either long gone or in jail.
And that’s how somebody got Ky out of Skyline. And we don’t know the perp’s name, cause he lives on the fringe of society and isn’t part of that community or anyone we would know. But Rudy would.
And that’s all the theories I got. I don’t know where the perp’s truck was parked, or which door Ky came out. But somebody who’s good at that could flesh this out if it seems plausible and of interest.
enumclawrose says:
November 22, 2010 at 9:31 pm
We think we know have TH arriving in a white truck, and we possibly have an abductor with a white truck, or an abductor with a vehicle in the south lot, or both, or all three. WHY all of these vehicles and people? I understand three people maybe in the grand scheme of things, but why so many people and vehicles to pull this off at the school?
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Kyron did not leave with TH in white truck. He left in 2nd white truck. Person in vehicle followed TH to FM to leave anonymous note of Ky’s absence.
PORTLAND, Ore. — KGW has learned that investigators are trying to determine the identity of a person who was seen sitting in the truck Terri Horman was driving the day Kyron Horman disappeared.
According to several sources in the Skyline community, including people who have spoken with investigators, the person was seen by at least two witnesses while Terri was in the school with Kyron
Multnomah County Chief Deputy District Attorney Rod Underhill said a witness, or witnesses, have reported seeing someone else by the Hormans’ extended-cab pickup while it was parked in front of the school between 8:15 a.m. and 8:45 a.m. on June 4, the day Kyron disappeared. >>>> not Horman truck
Authorities are seeking to identify the person, or persons, who may have been spotted by the truck as it was parked outside the school’s front fence in the shoulder of Northwest Skyline Boulevard. >>>>>> Horman truck
Someone possibly moved the pickup and parked it up a gravel path in front of the school’s playground while Terri Moulton Horman was inside the school with her stepson for his science fair. >>>>> not true
In addition, the investigative team wants anyone who parked in the school’s south parking lot, between the school’s south entrance and Northwest Skyline Boulevard, before 8:45 a.m. to provide their name, license plate number, make, model, year and color of their vehicle. >>>> 3rd suspect vehicle
O’Donnell … said that as the inquiry continued detectives developed leads that have them looking at information “through a different lens.”
Does Rick, dd’s brother give off any hmmmmmmmm vibes ?
1) Horman truck on the shoulder. (Was not moved to the access rd.)
2) White truck in the back of the school. (Who’s white truck?)
3) Additional vehicle in the south lot.
Do I have it right?
To my knowledge, the South lot is in the back of the school.
B
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This article has a wealth of information on what is available to get “encrypted or hidden computer &/ or computer files.
CEO Todd Morris of Brickhouse Security, a retailer of security & surveillance products, states, “The only way to keep a secret is to keep it in your mind.”
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puzzled says:
November 22, 2010 at 10:33 pm
PORTLAND, Ore. — KGW has learned that investigators are trying to determine the identity of a person who was seen sitting in the truck Terri Horman was driving the day Kyron Horman disappeared
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Do we know if TH was driving KH’s truck??? The truck TH was driving does not automatically mean KH’s truck.
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annals says:
November 22, 2010 at 8:45 pm
snip>Sarah: “Oh, just, just, because I don’t want to miss this part; the truck, because that’s important. There’s more evidence that came out about a white truck. Potentially one person in the truck…three people…THE WHITE TRUCK, Terri’s truck, can you…”
Desiree: “Kaine’s truck.”
snip>Desiree: “Well first of all, why would Kyron even be outside the school? Why would he even be near a truck with somebody else in it? It’s significant, in a huge way, to the case. If the timeline played out the way that it supposedly did…that contradicts that completely. So, I mean other than that…that’s how significant it was to me.”
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REPORTER: THREE PEOPLE
REPORTER: WHITE TRUCK
DY: KAINE’S TRUCK
DY: NEAR A TRUCK
Why did DY say Ky was near A TRUCK, not KAINE’S TRUCK (or the truck). A TRUCK seems to say she doesn’t know which truck, or it was the other truck, not Kaine’s truck.
Conclusion/ Part 3, okay, I have tried repeatedly to post w/ cited link to my earlier posts from this AM.
Well, I cry ‘uncle’.
Google ‘ALCOHOLIC BEHAVIOR’
Even though we do NOT know the “level” of TMH’s drinking &/ or the “stage” TMH could be in, we all can see/ hear “the clues” to her drinking & the results manifested in her life and the lives of those around her. These stages ONLY deal w/ alcohol NOT any mental health “disorder” which would increase the alcoholic behaviors and drinking problems. (There are proven mental health disorders that a person un-diagnoised will try to “medicate” w/ alcohol &/ or prescription meds)
Also, we do NOT know if TMH may have some “type of prescription med” problems. (Recall, there have been parents found to get their child on ADHD drugs so the PARENT can take it. )
Regardless, since KH is NOW admitting TMH alcohol ABUSE, that MUST be INCLUDED W/how one looks at Kyron’s disappearance.
JMHO to infinity and beyond for Kyron … TRYING to LOOK @ IT ALL from a DIFFERENT VIEW.
The Catch 22:
Skyline Parent – yoo-whoo, where are you? Help us out, think please!
See below posted by Kimberly – (and don’t forget the while truck, too!)
This person is affiliated with the school enough to risk taking a child out of it and not have hundreds of parents, teachers and faculty know exactly who to point the finger at.
B
Yes, and then I think of when Blink said: “I have a feeling this person is going to stick out like a sore thumb”, and I get stuck again. Sort of a catch 22 for me.
Whoo? Whoo? Will a wise owl speak? So I had said Rudy’s crew as Blink had said it wasn’t Rudy, but an employee (sorta, kinda) so that would let out the families and AV and the Pumalas and other families? I feel stumped now.
I wonder about the South lot as one could see out the windows and apprantly someone did (I did visit the site)
To my knowledge, the South lot is in the back of the school.
B
To the back of the school is the north lot and the only other unsecured entrance. Most of the parking lot is to the northeast of the building and the lot which is driven through to get to the back lots is probably considered the south lot. It would be the only paved parking place which is not east or north of the school.
If you are in the driveway on the road facing the school you would be on the edge of the south lot. The access road would be to your left and is parallel to the front lawn of the school. The access road is on the south side of the school building.
The following represents some of the drinking problems and classic alcoholic behaviors experienced by problem drinkers in the third stage of alcoholism:
Loss of control have become a pattern
Serious financial, relationship, and work-related problems
The development of an alibi system – an elaborate system of excuses for their drinking
Aggressive and grandiose behavior
Eye-openers
Loss of interests
The start of physical deterioration
Avoidance of family and friends
Frequent violent or destructive behavior
A decrease in alcohol tolerance
An increase in failed promises and resolutions to one’s self and to others
Unreasonable resentments
Problems with the law (e.g, DUIs)
Neglect of necessities such as food
Loss of willpower
Increased tremors
Half-hearted attempts at seeking medical treatment
The following represents some of the classic alcoholic behaviors and drinking problems in the fourth stage of alcoholism:
An obsession with drinking
An obsession with drinking
Persistent remorse
Continual loss of control
Indefinable fears
The possibility of alcoholic psychosis
Impaired thinking
Vague spiritual desires
Moral deterioration
The “DTs”
Devaluation of personal relationships
Loss of tolerance for alcohol
Unreasonable resentments and hostility toward others
“The shakes”
Nameless fears and anxieties such as feelings of impending doom or destruction
Auditory and visual hallucinations
The collapse of the alibi system
Benders, or lengthy intoxications
The realization of being out of control
The final two alcoholic behaviors & drinking problems. Google, google, google–since Blinks’ format does not like the “full conclusion w/ cited link”.
Thanks
To my knowledge, the South lot is in the back of the school.
B
TY TY TY Blink! Geography has never been my thing. My family jokes that I can get lost in my own bathroom. This makes so much sense to me. No mystery third vehicle, just the white truck on the shoulder and the white truck in the back (south lot). LE is looking for WHO’s white truck was in the south lot. The truck Ky left in which is so incredibly sad.
Blink, re:
“To my knowledge, the South lot is in the back of the school.
B”
The south lot is at the front of the school, east of the building. It could be said (my speculation) that the south lot has a ‘front’ and ‘back’ because it is quite long. The front portion would be between the front of the school building and Skyline, the ‘back’ would be in the same lot, but adjacent to the school building and the back of the lot. I don’t think vehicles go in the covered playground area portion of the asphalt.
The school faces south (main aka ‘south’ entrance) and the back is north (where the covered play area is). Stealing puzzled’s KGW quote:
“In addition, the investigative team wants anyone who parked in the school’s south parking lot, between the school’s south entrance and Northwest Skyline Boulevard, before 8:45 a.m. to provide their name, license plate number, make, model, year and color of their vehicle. >>>> 3rd suspect vehicle”
What’s the origin of the ‘car in the back’? What stuck out to me about the Underhill PC instructions (puzzled’s quote) is it really limited which doors they were focused on.. did Ky come out the front school door, and walk down the sidewalk of the parking lot, perhaps as far as where the ground slopes away from the building (making observation limited/impossible… then there are no eyes except people in cars coming/going) OR did he come out the south-western door, walking across the play area to the access road/front of the campus (on Skyline Rd)?
Frannie,
ALL PPSs had/have the automated telephone reporting system.
Each school made its OWN CHOICE to use it or not. Skyline School choose NOT to use it.
PPS District has CHANGED it to a REQUIREMENT for EVERY school SINCE Kyron’s disappearance.
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FrannieT says:
November 22, 2010 at 1:54 am
Another observation~IIRC, Skyline school was said to not have an automated telephone reporting system. Yet, on the evening of June 4th, an automated phone call goes out to every students home, reporting the fact Kyron Horman did not return home from school that day.
S says:
November 22, 2010 at 11:11 pm
To the back of the school is the north lot and the only other unsecured entrance. Most of the parking lot is to the northeast of the building and the lot which is driven through to get to the back lots is probably considered the south lot. It would be the only paved parking place which is not east or north of the school.
If you are in the driveway on the road facing the school you would be on the edge of the south lot. The access road would be to your left and is parallel to the front lawn of the school. The access road is on the south side of the school building.
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that’s how I read the photos and their descriptions
I’m with you S. I’ve never been able to figure out what the heck they mean by South lot. The south is toward Skyline Blvd – there is no lot there at all. What I call the back lot is to the North and the Main lot is to the east. The access road comes from the South side and circles around to the west. The local belief is that she was at the mouth of that road (which would mean the shoulder) blocking anyone else from using it. WEIRD place to park if you show up at 8 am. Even on science fair day, I guarantee there were spots left in the main lot. Also, commonly the person parking there would pull up and let people park behind him/her. By 9 it was probably crowded.
I did answer the question about who would stick out, but I think it got lost somewhere. Remember, this is a small school – only about 200 families. I think anyone who didn’t normally show up for these kinds of events would stick out. I definitely don’t know every parent in my school, but I’m pretty sure that I would recognize most of the primary caregivers of the kids in my kids classrooms by June – assuming they were the type to show up at school events. So that really doesn’t narrow it down much for me.
Backtracking.
Many people everywhere early in this case commented that Terri should not have just left Kyron in the hallway — the question was “why didn’t she walk him to his classroom?” The idea was that you don’t leave a 7 year old in the hallway if you take him to school.
I have to argue against that thought. I started children in school beginning in 1992. Way back then, if you dropped your child off at school by car, you had to pull up to the back entrance, wait in line for all the other cars, and when you pulled up to the sidewalk by the door, some monitors and teachers were milling about and supervised the kids entering by private transportation. Very few parents walked their children (ages 1st grade up to 4th grade) into their classroom. The process was: pull up, let out, watch go in, drive off.
It’s still done that way. I haven’t had a child in that elementary school in a long time, but the procedure hasn’t changed.
This was done to keep the parking lot from filling up fast, having parents clogging the hallways, and avoiding the obvious — a large group of parents milling about and talking to teachers every single morning. I found nothing unusual about Terri walking out with Kyron heading to his classroom. My kids did that every morning…I never walked them to his classroom, because there were teachers and other staff there to get the kids scooted into the rooms. Worked flawlessly. And by the time my kids were in 1st grade, they were full of themselves and wanted to walk to their classrooms with friends. It was SOP. We parents “waved goodbye,” as TH did.
Another point that’s been driven to death here — and I feel it’s just not relevant.
I grew up with a father who was a computer programmer — beginning his career in the 50′s. Thus, today at age 51, I’m more computer savvy, and use a ‘puter more than my own kids do. There are some people in the world who just take to using a computer — it’s a personality type.
TH’s time on her computer is not unusual for people like us. I don’t know her parents’ occupations. But, in this world, there are people who simply adapted effortlessly to the growth of the internet, and use it every day, and use software for banking, calendars, etc.
Thus things said about TH in some cases — actions she performed — have in some cases been far too harsh. I think we can all think of a few people who have opted to — because they have the aptitude for it — to use a computer to manage life’s details. Others do not do this. There’s not much unusual about that kind of difference between personalities.
If TH is guilty of doing something that has brought harm to Kyron, what is looked at to prove this should not embellish her actions prior to his disappearance that, for many many people in this world, are very normal actions. If she’s guilty in this case of any wrongdoing, focus on the wrongdoing, not on behaviors or habits she had that others have and that are today, in the 21st century, not unusual and not suspicious. Find out, instead, what she did that was REALLY unusual and suspicious.
This case has always struck me as a “find the slightest thing and make it a big huge fat thing” case, and thus has appeared to be only a “crucify Terri Horman for EVERYTHING she ever did” case.
I sincerely hope LE has a strong hunch of Kyron’s whereabouts.
Rose says:
November 22, 2010 at 9:22 pm
@5. Puzzled. Out front IS the shoulder (Terri 815-845). Truck 2 is rear. Q is, how about that older boy with sci fair project in gym who saw Kyron there in tge gym with friends and concurrently saw Terri’s truck, he said, out back? Was it the other white truck he saw?
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you’re right … could be the faux truck he saw and thought was Kys.
As much as I hate the scrutiny, if you want an view from the sky, try google maps. You can see what I mean. The school does sit at an angle, so you could argue the main lot is to the south-east. So maybe they are referring to the southern tip of it?
Kessinger-
Who is tylers parents? Are they the same kessinger that owns the pumpkin farm?
16.familythx says:
November 22, 2010 at 10:08 pm
Grace in the Hills said:
“I’m going to go out on a limb here. I am thinking that it never happened the way she said. She did not wave goodbye to Kyron as he walked toward his classroom. Perhaps, that exchange never occurred at all.”
familythx replied, “I agree, Grace. In my humble opinion, I think it’s quite possible Terri directed Kyron to go someplace, like the truck so she wouldn’t be seen escorting him out.
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@familythx, Glad you are back! I really enjoy reading your theories on this case. My next question would be where was TMH if she wasn’t in the hallway waving goodbye to Kyron? In her interview, Desiree clearly implied Kyron was out by Kaine’s truck that morning, so someone must have lured or directed him out there. Like you, I have always theorized that *if* TMH is involved in Ky’s disappearance, IMO, she was involved in getting him out of that school that morning. IMO, this is the MOST critical and most risky step in the disappearance, and she seems to have had the means and opportunity to pull it off. As his stepmother, she could have easily been “hiding in plain sight.” She *may* have told Kyron, “We’re going to see your exhibit at the SF, we’ll visit with your friends for awhile, and then we need to take you to your doctor’s appointment,” OR, “How would you like to go surprise Dad at work for a few minutes?” It would have been so easy for her to persuade this child.
Another reason why I believe it was her, is that I it took mere minutes to get that boy off those school grounds. As timid as he was, if the person wasn’t someone he felt he had to obey or someone he was even slightly hesitant to trust, I think it would’ve taken longer AND markedly increased the risk of attracting unwanted attention. It hardly seems a risk worth taking, especially if we are talking about RS associates. But, I don’t think RS or associates are involved in the removal of Ky from the school. They would have stuck out like sore thumbs, and someone would have noticed, IMO. I could be wrong, but I doubt it. IMO, this was well planned and executed.
The hatred she felt for Kyron, coupled with the disgust and hatred she felt for Kaine, is evidence of motive. If one is capable of paying someone a large sum of money to bump off their husband, how difficult can it be to get rid of a child she perceives to only be in her way?
The more I think about this crime, the more I feel this woman *may* have ice in her veins. I don’t think she was blindsided; KYRON was. Just my opinion only.
Interesting read of:
Recommended Practices for Civil Jury Trials in Mult Co Circuit Court.
http://courts.oregon.gov/Multnomah/docs/CivilCourt/CivilJuryTrials_RecommendedPracticesForCivilJuryTrials.pdf
Criminal Process in Oregon
Speedy Trial
You have a right to a speedy trial under the Sixth Amendment of the United States Constitution, which requires that trials be held within a certain time frame after a person has been charged with a crime.
This right can be waived by asking for additional time for the preparation of your defense.
Speedy Trial Rights in Oregon
If you are charged with a crime and your trial has not been postponed upon your application or by your consent, your trial must start within a reasonable period of time or the instrument charging you with the crime will be dismissed. The following factors are considered in determining the reasonableness of the delay:
Nature of charges
Length of delay
States explanation or lack of explanation for failing to bring your case to trial
http://research.lawyers.com/Oregon/Criminal-Process-in-Oregon.html
Oregon Statutes
135.745 – Delay in finding an indictment or filing an information
When a person has been held to answer for a crime, if an indictment is not found against the person within 30 days or the district attorney does not file an information in circuit court within 30 days after the person is held to answer, the court shall order the prosecution to be dismissed, unless good cause to the contrary is shown.
[Formerly 134.110]
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135.747 – Effect of delay in bringing defendant to trial
If a defendant charged with a crime, whose trial has not been postponed upon the application of the defendant or by the consent of the defendant, is not brought to trial within a reasonable period of time, the court shall order the accusatory instrument to be dismissed.
[Formerly 134.120]
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135.750 – Where there is reason for delay
If the defendant is not proceeded against or tried, as provided in ORS 135.745 and 135.747, and sufficient reason therefor is shown, the court may order the action to be continued and in the meantime may release the defendant from custody as provided in ORS 135.230 to 135.290, for the appearance of the defendant to answer the charge or action.
[Formerly 134.130]
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http://maryland.statelawyers.com/Statutes/Index.cfm/StateID:37/ID:46310
Oregon Revised Statutes – 2009 Edition
http://www.leg.state.or.us/ors/
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Oregon Criminal Defense
Wealth of information.
http://mpdtrainer.wordpress.com/criminal-curriculum-2/pretrial-procedure/tom-bortons-speedy-trial-memo/
Just curious, does anyone have a working theory of how the two white trucks play into this crime?
I am at a loss.
TIA.
Idahogal says:
November 21, 2010 at 9:54 am
I found it interesting that the only “friends” of TH were the gal from the gym and a high school guy that hasn’t been around her in 20+ years. I wouldn’t consider either of them as close friends.
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I am not that surprise they can’t get close friends to talk (on camera). Who would want to after seeing the attacks and character assassination of DeDe. I know I wouldn’t want to speak out and become a target of the Internet Lynch Mob.
On another note, I don’t comment often, but, I so love reading here. This Thanksgiving I am thankful for all who post and read here, and for Dear Blink (I think of her that way ;o) )for hosting this awesome site, for allowing diverse opinions,for allowing thoughtful discussions of all sides and for gracefully handling problems (I hope to learn from you).
Happy Thanksgiving to all!
enumclawrose says:
November 22, 2010 at 11:20 pm
To my knowledge, the South lot is in the back of the school.
B
“TY TY TY Blink! Geography has never been my thing. My family jokes that I can get lost in my own bathroom. This makes so much sense to me. No mystery third vehicle, just the white truck on the shoulder and the white truck in the back (south lot). LE is looking for WHO’s white truck was in the south lot. The truck Ky left in which is so incredibly sad.”
The south lot is NOT at the back of the school. The south lot is the entrance lot adjacent to Skyline Blvd. Try a satellite view of the school at Mapquest. The back lot is on the north side of the school.
I think that was a flub by Underhill during the press conf then I was reciting. I am referring to the back lot, adjacent to the covered pavillion, where the dumpsters are located.
B
… and FROM a cellphone -or- a LAPTOP w/ wi-fi connection, ANY PERSON could send e-mail(s).
There is a wi-fi (open) connection @ a store/ farm/ park– some place on SI.
JMHO … to infinity and beyond … for Kyron
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Idahogal says:
November 22, 2010 at 10:39 am
lyla says:
November 21, 2010 at 4:36 pm
@lyla- Anyone can post to FB from their cell phone. TH did not have to be “at home” to do this.
Wouldn’t you think LE &/ or DA have had @ least a conversation w/ the senior Moulton’s ?
As well as a look see @ any & all electronic communications etc ?
They (Moulton’s) have no privilege to remain silent when questioned as husband & wife do against each other. What a child says/ tells to a parent is not protected utterances.
JMHO to infinity & beyond for Kyron.
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iodizedseasalt says:
November 22, 2010 at 12:32 pm
I agree with Kat #49 I would love to know what Terri’s mother and father know. Terri appears to be a chatty person- a complainer. I doubt if she could keep her mouth shut to her parents and family for this long. And the 50-50 comment was very interesting to me.
TO ALL PDX BLINKSTERS:
I’ve wanted to throw this idea out for some time and familythx’s comment made me feel embolden. Would any of you have any interest in getting together informally for a little meet and greet sometime? We could meet at the Rock Creek Tavern (near Skyline School) on a Sunday afternoon for a burger and put “handles” to faces. I know there are days that I just wish I could reach across the computer screen and give you all a hug.
Since this is my first blog experience, I could be committing a huge fax pas, so please forgive the impertinence. I just know that Kyron has had a profound effect on my life and I don’t quite know how to reconcile all these feelings.
Let me know what you all think!
GraceintheHills-
Remember @ church presser w/large blow-up photos of white Ford p/u @ @ different locations ?
When CDA Rod Underhill FIRST said BETWEEN time of 8:15am ~ 8:45am
and came back w/ 8:15am ~ 8:45am?
I always felt he SLIPPED … makes me go hmmm
JMHO …for Kyron to infinity and beyond.
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GraceintheHills says:
November 22, 2010 at 2:38 pm
1.neighbor says:
September 23, 2010 at 8:51 pm
“@MBS wrote “Perhaps there is a parent from Skyline or someone who knows a Skyline parent reading this who would know for sure if the opening of regular school was officially delayed for SF.”
Nothing gave me the impression that this was a late start. Late starts are advertised as such in advance. Typically about once a month on a Wednesday.”
neighbor responds,
“The only unusual part was that parents/family/friends were invited from 8:00 to 10:00. Students reported to their classroom at 8:45 as usual. I was in another class where the teacher did a 10 minute group time at 8:45 after which she dispatched small groups of students with chaperons. Until 10:00 the students learned by visiting science projects in different classrooms. From 10:00 on, the normal routine resumed.”
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This timeline has caught my eye again. If the times are correct, and she watched Ky walk down the hallway, it seems virtually impossible that TMH didn’t see something.
TMH says she waved goodbye to Kyron in the hallway around 8:45 (or 9:00AM) as he approached his classroom, and then left the school. According to the above post by neighbor, Kyron had to be inside his homeroom by 8:45.
Did the second bell ring at 8:45, to remind the kids they needed to be in their classrooms? If what TMH said is true, and Kyron was headed to check-in, the window of opportunity to snatch him was *extremely* narrow. It would appear it was only a matter of seconds.
I can see why LE wanted to interview TMH repeatedly. If this timeline is correct, TMH would have been in the hallway, or at least in that general vicinity, when Ky was taken. One would think if he had made it into his classroom, he would have been seen by his teacher, and not marked absent that day.
In the MSM, it has been repeatedly reported that LE says TMH was the last one to see Kyron.
Who in the world is capable of snatching a seven year old boy in a matter of seconds as he walks a few short steps down the hallway of a school on a relatively high traffic day as his stepmother watches? And, more importantly, why didn’t TMH see that person or see the abduction?
I’m going to go out on a limb here. I am thinking that it never happened the way she said. She did not wave goodbye to Kyron as he walked toward his classroom. Perhaps, that exchange never occurred at all.
Think about this. Up until that point, Kyron was still in her care, as kids apparently did not check-in to their classrooms until the 8:45 AM bell. She did not hand him off to a teacher in the classroom. She alleged left him in the hallway. IF she was so close to his classroom, why not just escort him inside? Instead, he vanished. MOO.
So many questions…
GraceintheHills-
When you add the CDA timeline (possible) SLIP w/ your remark: “I’m going to go out on a limb here. I am thinking that it never happened the way she said. She did not wave goodbye to Kyron as he walked toward his classroom. Perhaps, that exchange never occurred at all.”, it already was a given.
Remember, like the first day (06/04) IIRC, TMH said she last saw him outside the school as he walked towards/ into the school… next day (or later) she changed it to inside walking towards his class ?
Hinky, hinky, hinky … JMHO … to infinity and beyond … for Kyron.
Mary Rose’s daughter-
Yes, your theory is one (of many) that posters have discussed.
Jump on in — another pair of eyes is always welcome.
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mary rose’s daughter says:
November 22, 2010 at 2:59 pm
I have kept up with this case since day 1. I’ve read many different blogs but BOC is by far the best place to read other’s opinions without all the drama. Most other sites have all the character assassinations and name calling going on, makes me wonder if some of these parties might actually have grounds for filing lawsuits against those bloggers???
I wanted to bring up a theory that was mentioned in the very beginning but hasn’t been discussed in awhile. What if, this was really a kidnapping that turned bad???? And ,the original plan was to take Kyron, then demand ransom money from Kaine. But, when Kaine delivers the money, he is supposed to be taken out, the kidnapper to keep the money and Kyron to be set free. Except, something went very wrong with their plans when LE got involved. Then there’s the FBI plus a multitude of other agencies and none of the players were prepared on what to do next. What happened to little Kyron at that time is anybody’s guess. This theory includes the “murder for hire” component to the case, has “Terri involved but not directly causing harm to Kyron”, and could even have Terri as being “blindsided” by what took place that day. She wasn’t double crossed but certainly lost control over what would happen to Kyron.
Any thoughts?
The statement was made by Kyron’s classmate Tanner P.
IIRC His video interview is @ YouTube.
Tanner’s family has had a questionable connection since his TV interview that FBI & local LE asked his family to NOT do.
JMHO
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wordweaver says:
November 22, 2010 at 3:08 pm
Going back to ground zero (almost) — Could Kyron have been lured to see the “cool electric one” (who did he reportedly say that too?) by a parent he knew, spent time with, trusted — who might have invited him to see the “cool, electric one” — a parent who would not stick out like a sore thumb because his child went to the school, but who might because he was wearing a uniform of some kind (maybe for work?), a parent who also drives a white truck and is very familiar with Sauvie Island…a parent who might have had a relationship with TH?
I apologize for the disturbing nature of this but it is worth considering.
Tanner Pumala’s (last person to see Kyron and his SM) grandmother Wendy Fuhrer lives nextdoor to the Horman house.
Cases in point:
1) She allowed Tanner to be interviewed by media when asked specifically by the FBI and LE not to.
2) Tanner spoke about the substitute teacher that day when in fact there was not one.
3) BP (and his sister or wife named Ann) would have the affiliation to the school to go unnoticed, they would have been just another parent at the SF.
4) Photos of the grandmother’s residence, which is nextdoor to the Horman house, show a white truck.
5) BP lives in houseboat on Sauvie which is in the vicinity of the pings and original search including adjacent canal
6) BP’s sister or wife, Ann, disappeared the day that Kyron went missing, supposedly to Arizona. Do we know whether either of them are in custody?
Again I say, look closely at the picture of BP on this link along with his friend both flashing SRA symbol (satan worship) which promotes satanic rituals including child abuse, sadism and ritualistic murder.
What did Staton say:
1) Things we know now that are shocking to LE, I would say SRA would be shocking/disturbing to many LE, especially because LE have families, children and live/work in the vicinity. Yes?
2) We would look back and think. Tanner said Kyron was going to look at the “cool electric one”. BP is an electrician.
Additionally, it is purported that LE was recently looking for a container at Sauvie. SRA does include placing children in containers/coffins.
My cards are stacked on the Pumala family. Not sure what the motive is, other than Kyron was a young child and they took him for abuse. I would like to know the current whereabouts of BP and Ann.
Roseburg, Oregon (Terri Horman’s parents’ town) in the 1980′s – Gallup Christian Daycare center owners (2 generations) convicted of ritual child abuse.
For more information, please see Blink’s earlier post with pics:
http://blinkoncrime.com/2010/06/23/new-clues-in-kyron-horman-search-fact-or-fiction-you-decide/