Ding Dong The Bin IS DEAD- OSAMA BIN LADEN RECEIVES THE TERRORIST SEND OFF
United Caves of Terrorist Pansies- Osama Bin Loser is dead. He was killed in a US anti-terrorist effort led by Donald Trump’s cowlick.
Yes, it has that kinda power, as we knew.
Ok, that is a stretch, it only had the power to produce a birth certificate, duh.
Osama Bin Laden is believed to have been killed in Pakistan, details to follow.
To my friends and family-
A reminder why this incubus in a cave is worthy of coverage on my site.
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I currently have a nephew serving with the Canadian forces in Afghanistan. While I am pleased that this evil has finally been eradicated, I believe that the men and women of the military are currently in more danger now than they have been for the last several years. I would ask that we all say a prayer for the safety of our servicemen and women wherever they may be.
The protection of our great country is admirable and the men and women out there on the front lines in battle have my prayers. I come from a long line of military men and women, both officers and enlisted, and pray for our soldiers frequently. My father, one of my very favorite people, was Provost Marshal and a retired military officer.
A military’s first priority is to the protections of its’ citizens, the protection of the borders of its’ country, and the protection of the goals of its’ governing bodies assuming they are in the best interest of their citizens.
The debate over conquest and invasion is always heated as the issues chosen seem to bring out the divisiveness amongst a subjective populace. Some are swayed by one thing, others by other things and our freedom to express makes us a very opinionated populace.
I believe it is folly to be easily led in thought and action. I believe 911 to be the most lied about incident possibly ever to have occured, and by that I mean ever.
I’m entitled to believe that. I’m entitled to believe that governments for millenia have used propaganda to incite emotion from their populace to gain support for militaristic and economic endeavors. 911 broke my heart, I cried over the loss of lives, the panic, the destruction. But you know what? I wonder why the hell we have not closed our borders? Why we do not have soldiers lining them? And yet our very own persons are searched and fondled at every airport gate?
We’re supposed to automatically be elated that Bin Laden Boogeyman has been killed, if we don’t, we’re not patriotic. I’m not elated because I think it changes nothing. I expect ‘enemy’ retaliation because that’s how these things go, round and round they go. It is greed, the entire war scam is greed and some enemies are created. If it were about protection our borders would be protected.
God blesses America, has blessed America, and if we remain focused on the freedom of her people we will continue to be blessed. Ours is a country based on example set by the values of integrity, liberty and justice, and I wonder why the need to be in every country involving our selves in their affairs? Waste of money, waste of lives, and sometimes a waste of good relations.
Incidentally, we are less free now than we’ve ever been. The tax codes, heightened security (which only seems to affect law abiding legal citizens), cameras on every corner, GPS, the way Hollywood sneaks in violence and disturbing base sexuality in every movie, even tv, I’m not free to just chill and be an American. I’m always jumping through hoops and hyper vigilant lest my children be exposed to garbage.
We’ve been had and those of you who don’t see it now, will see it eventually. And that, my friends, is when REAL change will be enacted. Not symbolic, let them think we’re making change, kind of change. It is unwise in today’s climate to take anything at face value because very little is as it seems.
Blink, thank you for the joy to talk about this here !
Navy SEALS -TEAM 6 are the superior solgers that I bow to!May God bless these American sons,they are such an inspiration for all of us…and, the delight to learn some of the details about their operation…White House had watched the progress in real time, let me say WOW !
Love and light to you all,
V
Blink,thx again
May God bless America and protect our servicemen and women.
Thank you Blink
The people who support the Navy SEALS team 6 and all those who have spent time looking to find and get Bin Laden are to be congratulated.
This effort did not begin with Obama, it began with George Bush and in GOD’S time, evil was punished.
We humans are finite creatures. We operate in a finite period of time. GOD is infinite and he waits to punish evil when it will do the most good.
Blink did you see this:
http://www.theonion.com/articles/osama-bin-laden-killed-while-sitting-on-toilet-nat,20302/
So the death of hundreds of thousands of innocent civilians, and Osama Bin Laden was God’s work, huh? How is that any more sane, or rational than what the hateful pricks that were responsible for 9/11 pulled off? It was God’s work in their eyes too. What part of ‘THOU SHALT NOT KILL’ don’t you people get? You’re no better or worse than the sick freaks you sit online and rail against. It’s despicable, and disgusting. People wonder why I absolutely despise living in this world amongst your kind. I’m ashamed to be human because of the likes of you. Sitting around praising death, violence, hatred, and intolerance without ever considering there are people that just want to live peacefully that can’t because of your idea(s) of God. If Jesus were alive today I’d like to think he’d be off in the ghetto somewhere feeding impoverished children and trying to keep them off of drugs. Taking that AK-47 away from them, and showing them love. Not sitting in a gated community, or a multi-million dollar megachurch passing judgement on others, and being hateful. Quite frankly, if the likes of the majority of the commenters here, Jerry Falwell, Pat Robertson, the people that murdered half of Europe in the name of God, etc are the ones that go to heaven, I want no part of that place. I will no longer be contributing here. Blink, if you need me, you know how to get at me. And for the love of ‘God’ please post this. People really should think about this kind of stuff, and realize that we are all human. No one has the right to play God.
ThatOneGuy- I do suggest I understand some of your post, that is true.
However, keep in mind that Osama Bin Laden chose his fate directly. His victims did not.
I do not believe God is up there shaking the humanity snowglobe whatsoever, I believe that at the end of the day there is good and there is evil and that battle will go on forever. If terrorists wanted to live peacefully, they would not be terrorists.
This was never about GOD, it was about power, and terrorists need a vehicle to get it.
B
Terrorism is such a subjective term. What makes a terrorist? We’ve been bombing the crap out of the Middle East my entire life. One man’s terrorist is another man’s freedom fighter. Sure, maybe Osama did seal his own fate. I don’t deny that. What about all the innocent children, and their families that were annihilated during this whole ordeal that had nothing to do with it? That just created more ‘terrorists’. If my entire family, and home were obliterated from this earth by American made bombs, I can’t say I wouldn’t be a ‘terrorist’ either. It’s an endless cycle of violence, and tyranny that’s never going to stop, and it’s sick. I just can’t get behind watching the people I’m surrounded by parading around in the streets like a bunch of mindless drones cheering the execution of someone. In fact, I’ll never forget this woman’s face I saw on CNN about an hour after the second tower fell. There were reactions all over the globe. She was dancing and rejoicing through the streets of Palestine. I thought to myself “What a vile, and digusting creature”. Fast forward ten years, and I’m saying the very same thing about the people I have to live with on a day to day basis. I absolutely cannot stand it. When is it ever going to end? I’m starting to think that man must truly be God, for he has tried so hard to create me in his image. Well, sorry. I will not praise the death of another human being, no matter how horrible of a human being it may be. Though on a much larger scale, it’s no different
Terrorism is such a subjective term. What makes a terrorist? We’ve been bombing the crap out of the Middle East my entire life. One man’s terrorist is another man’s freedom fighter. Sure, maybe Osama did seal his own fate. I don’t deny that. What about all the innocent children, and their families that were annihilated during this whole ordeal that had nothing to do with it? That just created more ‘terrorists’. If my entire family, and home were obliterated from this earth by American made bombs, I can’t say I wouldn’t be a ‘terrorist’ either. It’s an endless cycle of violence, and tyranny that’s never going to stop, and it’s sick. I just can’t get behind watching the people I’m surrounded by parading around in the streets like a bunch of mindless drones cheering the execution of someone. In fact, I’ll never forget this woman’s face I saw on CNN about an hour after the second tower fell. There were reactions all over the globe. She was dancing and rejoicing through the streets of Palestine. I thought to myself “What a vile, and digusting creature”. Fast forward ten years, and I’m saying the very same thing about the people I have to live with on a day to day basis. I absolutely cannot stand it. When is it ever going to end? I’m starting to think that man must truly be God, for he has tried so hard to create me in his image. Well, sorry. I will not praise the death of another human being, no matter how horrible of a human being it may be. Though on a much larger scale, it’s no different
I will be the first to admit I struggle at the dichotomy of rejoicing over this man’s death, unlike you, I am ok with it in this instance. Not proud of it, but I am being honest.
Sometimes when one is in the middle of it, we lose our ability to be idealists about things, and God help me If I had been faced with it I would have plugged my Sig right in the middle of his forehead and not batted an eye.
At the end of the day, as rustic and removed as it seems to many from a Jersey girl, I have one job on this earth and that is to protect my children or die trying and that is all I know.
B
*no different than the cases you cover. There are people that are mourning the loss of a family member who have lived in absolute terror because of decisions their family member made. They’re just as much victims as anyone else. I digress. People will never get it, and I’m just stuck here in the middle of it all, and have no choice but to live with it.
I was spared. What have I done to pay it forward?
It’s a good question Blink has put forth, and I will gladly answer her.
I’ve spent my years since graduating college (1998) in HR and the employment field. Up until 2001, it was mostly private, corporate recruiting and head hunting. I spent a few years after 2001 still trying to get my head on straight (went through a divorce, bought and sold a home, found my path) and now I’m happy to report that my skills at job search and obtaining employment has allowed me to work with returning soldiers. I work with returning soldiers with PTSD and traumatic brain injuries. I work developing opportunities and engaging local businesses for our troops.
I took a HUGE cut in pay to do this work, but I’m thankful for it every day. I leave work feeling fulfilled and knowing that what I’m doing is making a difference for the group of people I work for.
I was on my honeymoon (in NYC, from the west coast) that sunny day in September, and was thankfully *physically* spared.
I like to think that what I was tasked with on Earth wasn’t complete yet.
Humbled by your example, and I thank you.
B
Rather confusing post ThatOneGuy. It seems to be the idea of God’s involvement in this that set you off. President Obama mentioned God serveral times in his speech and so have many posters on this and other blogs. Although many of us have our own concept of God and some do not believe, we tend to say things like “God bless..” or “thank God…” at times like these through force of habit but also because momentous events induce a feeling of awe and awaken a sense of a higher power. Most of us associate God with the concepts of goodness, love and (very important) justice. It seems that you are not too keen on the justice aspect. Justice, however, is important if we are to maintain an environment where everyone is able to enjoy life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.
I have a question for you. If a criminal broke into your home and tried to murder you or your loved one, would you condemn your friend who walked in on the scene and shot him? Would you not, perhaps reflexively, say, “Thank God”? Would you accuse your friend of being hateful, intolerant and judgemental of the murderer when he saved your life? Would you castigate him for breaking the 5th commandment and tell him he is now a murderer and no better than the murderer he just killed?
Perhaps it is the rejoicing at his demise that offends you. Please note that our President was not gleeful but very serious during his speech. Others rejoicing at the death of a human being, even one as evil as this one, is a matter of taste. It is not abnormal for people to be glad when a monster is dead. What is abnormal to me is the ferocity of your post. Surely there are bigger issues now than how people react to the death of their “monster” and whether they invoke God’s name. Hopefully, you can get past this.
ThatOneGuy- I too understand some of your post.
I guess sometimes we just have to accept that we don’t have all the answers and one day when we meet our maker we’ll all have to answer for the mistakes we’ve made.
In the end you respect human life and that is admirable. Unfortunately peace does not come in the form of words with radicals like Osama Bin Laden- I choose to believe God does not rejoice in the death of anyone nor does he rejoice in those plotting to murder anyone.
My daddy served our country in VietNam and there are things he’s done I will never know about and there are things it has taken him 40 plus years to come to terms with and speak of…… I wouldn’t wish what he has gone through on my worst enemy. My daddy has always provided for his family, he has loved us, protected us, guided us and taught us to respect our faith and human lives. He is not a murderer to me, he was a young man who had a job to do. I understand where you are coming from and I hope that you can see where others are coming from as well. I pray for the men and women fighting for freedom everyday and know that any one of them would rather be home with their families enjoying the freedom they’re fighting for. God Bless every victim of 911.
Amy’s Sister,
I love your post! May I add that God doesn’t pick nations to bless. I believe the planet, as a whole has been blessed by the eradication of this wicked man.
I’m not trying to make this about religion…honest! It’s just my humble opinion <3.
ThatoneGuy-
Hello-
I am compelled to write a response to your comments.
First let me say you’re right- no one should rejoice in the death of another.
I do understand Thou Shall Not Kill
It is not a perfect world we live in, sadly TOG-
Just for the record, I would have liked for Bin Laden to be captured rather than killed.
But it is my understanding that the SEALS did their jobs in the best way possible- and they did it without hurting thousands of people. Who am I to question the honor and integrity of those that put their own lives on the line to protect others?
It is also my understanding, that Bin Laden, since 911 has fanned the fires of hate and terrorism and continued to incite violence with his tapes ect- He did not simply repent and begin to lead a life of penitent man.
Bin Laden received a burial that was respectful of his religious beliefs. He was not spit on and dragged through the streets.
I agree violence begets violence even when carried out in the name of religion or for politics or postering.
You may not agree with the way some commented here – I can respect that- but arent your comments just as unbecoming and hateful and wrong? I seriously doubt Jesus, from his perch in the ghetto, would cast an approving eye on your rant :
“People wonder why I absolutely despise living in this world amongst your kind. I’m ashamed to be human because of the likes of you. Sitting around praising death, violence, hatred, and intolerance without ever considering there are people that just want to live peacefully that can’t because of your idea(s) of God”
TOG,
You dont know what is in the hearts and minds of the contributors here… you can share your thoughts respectfully, with out judgment or hate-let them know your stand on right & wrong, show them how to be more tolerant, and forgiving.
We are all a work in progress- even you, TOG.
I am happy to be part of the human race with you TOG, faults and all. I too want to live in Peace TOG- and I agree a world with out religion and poverty and hate and injustice and politics would be wonderful-
I doubt those things are found in Heaven
Unfortunately we havent achieved that here yet- but Im willing to stick around with you and work to get there…
Imagine there’s no countries
It isn’t hard to do
Nothing to kill or die for
And no religion, too
Imagine all the people
Living life in peace
You, you may say I’m a dreamer
But I’m not the only one
I hope someday you will join us
And the world will be as one
Imagine no possessions
I wonder if you can
No need for greed or hunger
A brotherhood of man
Imagine all the people
Sharing all the world
You, you may say I’m a dreamer
But I’m not the only one
I hope someday you will join us
And the world will live as one
–John Lennon
JMO
Peace
Sorry, Dee. I do not consider slaughtering thousands, and thousands of innocent brown children on the other side of the globe in pursuit of capital gain to be justice. This isn’t JUST about Osama Bin Laden. Apparently, you didn’t pick up on the fact that I am anti-war. What’s caused more wars in the history of mankind than anything? GOD.
To answer your hypothetical questions – if my house were broken into, I would not consider someone that saved my life a murderer. However, if said person that saved my life went into said killer’s neighborhood and slaughtered his entire family, I absolutely would. There’s a much larger picture, here. Our country has accused Osama of “war crimes”. News flash: WAR IS THE CRIME. We have absolutely no business policing the world committing atrocities upon innocent people. That’s the whole reason 9/11 happened in the first place. I sadly immediately said to my sister “I’m surprised it took this long, to be honest” as soon as they said it was a terrorist act. Our country repeatedly sticks it’s nose where it doesn’t belong, and when the shit goes down, people act surprised.
Anyway, I think the majority of Americans are too far into the forest to see the trees due to religious beliefs, an absurd sense of national pride, pure ignorance, and a plethora of other reasons. I, for one, have no faith distracting me, and by no means consider myself a patriot. We came to this land to escape political, and religious tyranny if I’m not mistaken. What have we built? A nation of oppressors. Of course we did it by slaughtering damn near an entire race of people, and forcing them out of their land into crappy reservations. Why would today be any different?
If you were anyone else, and I do mean anyone else, I would take the next hour to smack you back in only the way you would get, because you are now using that *larger*than*most* intellect to rant and offend.
I know it is really stressful to have all those socially obligated farms of DASD rolling around up there, but guess what, here is a news flash. Some of us are made to be heavy lifters and some of us are not, and you my friend need to get lifting.
Take your angst and take your passion and I look forward to hearing your thoughts on solutions to all that is wrong with everything, with all of us, all of the time.
For someone with no faith I am hearing a shitload of preaching out ya’ grill.
Really – you have no faith and your no patriot? Then W T F do you care?
We do agree on one thing for sure. That a R E L I G I O N in some way, will always be the predicate for war, and I will tell you why.
It is is the only thing that those that do not REALLY have faith in themselves, are willing to die for.
If people are willing to die for something because it is better than the life they perceive to be living, or enjoy killing those of a different persuasion, there will always be war.
I am not and never will be a war monger.
I am the proud granddaughter of a decorated WWII Marine, but I am well aware of what haunted the house of my beloved Poppa. What he saw, had him question his faith to the core, and by golly (who just wrote that?) he held on and my family and grampsies went to church as a family every Sunday where he sat at the head of the table at the club for brunch afterward, with pride.
He refused to allow my Gram to buy eggs and milk at the store, although it was cheaper, and did not involve the eggman coming every Saturday for coffee that he never drank, but was always awaiting him.
He would say, he has a family to feed, and he fed others when they needed it, I will not buy my dairy out of a community refrigerator. LOL.
He was a proud man that served God, his wife, family, and his country and I cannot and will not allow anyone to stand in the way of such a commitment to INSPIRE another. In my entire life I never heard him cast a racial slur or intolerant word.
With the exception of those appropriate for my sisters and I, as after all, we were his granddaughters and being a p.i.t.a comes with the territory.
HE GOT IT. Meaning, he got the outcome of man using intolerance or hate to further their own sick agenda.
That is our lesson. You don’t agree with someone that is a flagrant assclown? Tolerate them.
(note to self: deuche isle 3, spill, not my problem)
If you are threatened or charged with the protection of another, protect them.
Do what is necessary, but do not form a prejudice in total.
The mission to capture Osama was the absolutely necessary thing to do in this case, without fail.
Do you really think with petral approaching $4 a gallon here, years later, this is some sort of Opec initiative.
That’s hilarious.
Those fatcats cannot even tell you the true allocation of the cost of barrell of oil- regular or refined.
Do you get that?
I know you had a different life, but if people can come back from Hell on Earth, don’t we owe that knowledge to ENDURE to all?
I say this with love in my heart for you.
While your comments were “brisk”, did you note that you were met with kindness and those wanting to understand your position? No volley here my friend, there is a seat for you.
God helps those that help themselves, I have faith in that.
To my knowledge he has never beamed down from anywhere and stopped me from making a complete fool out of myself (yeah who would not love to sign up for that tell-all roster), putting myself in danger, or saved my beauty who passed 7 years ago today. I could go on.
In fact, I will be the first to tell you he and I have had some entanglements- I “get” the estrangement from that alone.
I promised myself I would not put my belief structure from a spiritual perspective out there because it is intensely personal to me.
Today, I realized, it is also a shield. Whatever is the opposite of jihad, I offer that to you and to any Muslim that feels torn or compelled in their beliefs in a negative way.
Your a seriously big dude and I am somewhat little in comparison, but I will always have room under my shield.
I wish we were in a locker room commercial and I could offer you a coke and a smile.
B
TOG- you are not just stuck in the middle of it with no way to change it!
Did you know that in 2004 and 2008 Dennis J. Kucinich (D – OH) ran for President?
He wanted to immediately stop the war in Afghanistan and Iraq. He wanted to establish a Department of Peace. I dont know how old you are or if you were able to vote- but here is a candidate you seem to be able to devote your time money and energy to.
If he doesnt fit into your political beliefs system then by God run yourself- or back a candidate that does.
You ARE a member of the human race TOG and you are (I thinK) an American- (if not do it where you are) work for change! Just dont resign yourself to being in the minority- others feel the same as you Im sure- make a difference and stop just waiting for others to change their beliefs with no insentives ect- show them the way to a brighter future and maybe theyll hear and follow!
JMO
Mom 3.0, beautiful. John’s heart was wide open when he wrote and sang those words.
_________
Ragdoll, God does not equate to religion for me so I understand what you’re saying completely. Creator’s blessings abound, one need only look and see the bounty. Miracles are around us everyday and few see them. You are so right, and thank you for saying, that no matter the land or race or religion, He loves and blesses everyone.
Between you and me, and probably off topic, sometimes the grace he bestows brings tears to my eyes. From an unexpected and sweet exchange with a stranger to a miraculous sunset to the unexpected hug my teenage son will give me. Life is wondrous.
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“The Navy Seals are not killers they are survivors.”
“By this morning they were back in the shadows not being congratulated with a parade.”
“This elite force trains in superhuman tasks, but are never considered superheroes.”
God bless those who give their utmost every day for our country’s protection.
Let us all continue to pray for peace across the universe.
I could never rejoice in another’s death, not even Osama Bin Laden, however….
I am happy and grateful that the world is now a better place without him in it.
I am happy for the families of the 911 victims, because his death will bring many of them closure and they can begin to heal.
I can also be happy that after 30yrs of terrorist attacks against Americans that the rest of the world now knows that no matter how long it takes, no matter where we have to go, no matter the cost, we will hunt you down and serve up a big helping of justice curtesy of the US Departments of the Army,Navy and Marine Corps if you mess with us.
The sleeping eagle has awakened and she rests no more…
oh…I am also grateful for the respect shown to muslims with regards to OBL’s burial. I think it says a lot about us Americans, our humanity, our tolerance and our respect for the rights and freedoms of others. Only God has the right to judge and he waits until we’re dead. I am not happy Bin Laden is dead, but I’m not sad about it either….
Thanks Blink for giving us a place to share our thoughts on the subject…
God Bless America!
TOG-
Ummm…Since you’re stuck let me help you out, being I’m such a patriotic American. I’d be happy to start a collection for you for a one-way ticket elsewhere. I hear Iran is lovely this time of year, I’m sure they would welcome you with open arms and your anti-government rhetoric.
Apparently you are ignorant to the fact that your ability to express your “thoughts” openly on this board, without the threat of execution, is a direct result of some American’s willingness to die to protect your right of free speech.
Freedom Is Not Free
I watched the flag pass by one day,
It fluttered in the breeze;
A young Marine saluted it,
And then he stood at ease.
I looked at him in uniform,
So young, so tall, so proud;
With hair cut square and eyes alert,
He’d stand out in any crowd.
I thought… how many men like him
Had fallen through the years?
How many died on foreign soil?
How many mothers’ tears?
How many pilots’ planes shot down
How many died at sea
How many foxholes were soldiers’ graves
No, Freedom is not Free.
I heard the sound of Taps one night,
When everything was still;
I listened to the bugler play,
And felt a sudden chill;
I wondered just how many times
That Taps had meant “Amen”
When a flag had draped a coffin
Of a brother or a friend;
I thought of all the children,
Of the mothers and the wives,
Of fathers, sons and husbands.
With interrupted lives.
I thought about a graveyard
At the bottom of the sea,
Of unmarked graves in Arlington.
No. Freedom is not Free!
Kelly Strong – 1981
…now I ain’t sayin it’s right or it’s wrong, but maybe it’s the only way. Talk about your revolution. It’s Independence Day.
LET FREEDOM RING!
Geronimo E KIA. Canada thanks you <3
PS…as written by Gretchen Peters, ‘Independence Day’.
OH OH OH!!! …Amy’s Sister,
I understand the very grace you talk about. Thank you for sharing your heart with us. I know it can bring out the best in some or ignite the hate in others, but I believe in faith and convictions and like you, I am one of those that will accept the consequences of declaring myself a believer.
All posts have moved me since more evil was brought down last week. To be honest, I am overwhelmed at how this can bring many together, or divide. It is what it is. For me, it’s a miracle this man’s life was brought to an end. I pray that those oppressed by OBL’s reign will in time find some kind of peace and comfort. I pray it brings many together, regardless of religion, faith, or nation.
What saddens me is that war is ALWAYS about greed, land, oil, power, destruction. I’m indebted to all those who answer the calling to defend the innocents of this world. Soldiers. Marines. Freedom Fighters. Peace Keepers. Eternally grateful and humbled.
Is it really wrong to defend against evil? If there is a better way, please, someone, lay it down.
I do not blog. I read.
Ms. blink I have followed your work for some time.
This will be my only post.
No offense, but after figuring out this here “webbernet” , I feel the need to be selective, and largely absent form it.
I was touched by your comment, I pray my own family sees what I have tried to show as the Pop.
Though, it will not even come close. I see you differently today,I have always though you were an oracle in crime cases, but I think I might like you more “on the hill”.
I apologize if my very spontaneous mood jumps the track.
Today you are intimitable. I am an ornery(redacted). Good Show.
Welcome SSA-
Perhaps if comfortable, you could tell me the SSA “acronym”.
I appreciate the kind words.
B
Osama bin Laden was a man who lived by the sword ….or actually ran a shop in which he (the son of a wealthy man) manipulated other poor peons to sacrifice themselves in the vision that he saw of a vengeful, mean-spirited god. he never got his hands dirty. His compound was the lap of luxury …sort of blows his persona of sacrifice for the cause.
I do not believe that Osama’s interpretation of the Koran is correct….I know too many Muslims who are sincerely appalled at what the man preached.
A man who lives by the sword should not be surprised if he dies by the sword.
I feel the same way about Osama’s death as I did about Timothy McVeigh’s death. They had no pity or remorse for the INNOCENT LIVES they took …So pity or remorse for their death is optional.
May the distorted visions of whatever supreme being they both served have whatever mercy on them that their beliefs allow.
However, what I DO find immensely ironic though is that ….at the moment of Osama’s imminent death …he hid behind his wife as she lunged at the Navy Seals to protect her husband. So much for Osama the brave visionary. Had to hide behind a woman wearing a veil.
What a guy!
Perhaps my words offend some. Hell, perhaps they offend most. That’s fine. More often than not the reason my words offend is because people can’t refute the majority of them. That being said, my words are not meant to offend, but rather to provoke thought. With that, you’re going to offend some people for sure. You wanna make an omelette? Break some eggs.
I could go on an hour long rant about how the baby boomers are the greediest generation the world has ever seen, and flushed this once thriving institution right down the drain, and sold this county right out from underneath us, but I won’t.
Let it be known I have nothing against our service men, and women. Both of my Grandfather’s were veterans. One of WWII. One of Korea.
Let it also be known that I have nothing against anyone’s personal religious, or spiritual views. As you alluded to, Blink, a relationship with God is very personal, and should remain that way. I have a problem when someone’s beliefs infringe upon the rights of another’s to exist as a human being. That goes for EVERYONE. I was raised Southern Baptist myself. I’ve seen the hatred and intolerance being taught to children first hand. Being agnostic for the last 20 years, and growing up in a town founded on Evangalism, and the slaughter of Seminole Indians throughout three wars has been, we’ll say, far less than easy. In fact, it’s led to being ostracized by my own blood.
There’s a couple things you said that I don’t quite understand.
“Really – you have no faith and your no patriot? Then W T F do you care?”
So because I only consider myself an American by default as it is my country of origin, and because I don’t subscribe to any religious beliefs, but rather just try to be as good as I possibly can to my fellow man, I have no right to care about things that go on in the world around me? I’m lost on that one.
“Do you really think with petral approaching $4 a gallon here, years later, this is some sort of Opec initiative.”
Absolutely I do! The numbers speak for themselves, and are readily available for all to read, should you seek them. Of the 113 oil producing nations from 2009 to 2010, Libya was 18th. The United States was 3rd.
https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/rankorder/2173rank.html
So, while Exxon/Mobil are yet again posting record profits for the first quarter, the government and media are going to blame skyrocketing prices on petrol (and subsequently absolutely everything we need to sustain life) on turmoil in the mid-east? Really? There’s been turmoil in the mid-east for literally millenia. And in the past century that we’ve become so dependant upon oil, it’s been especially bad. That is my whole point. They needed a boogeyman of sorts to point the finger at, and found it in Bin Laden. I hate to break it to everyone, but the world is no safer today than it was four days ago when Bin Laden was alive. But the point is, it’s our own people doing this to us. Exxon/Mobil is an American company that’s thriving while everyone else is just hoping to find work to put food on the table for their families. The line between corporate America, and federal government is completely gone. They are one in the same. For instance, the “Federal Reserve” is no more FEDERAL than Federal Express. It’s a privately owned bank. We’ve all been duped, and enslaved. Only some people see that.
In closing – I will leave you with this. This is the exact kind of idiocy that I’m opposed to that I’ve been talking about. Took this today on a little road trip I had to make. UGH….
http://tinypic.com/r/2ep4rwg/7
You want to rant without concern, I got that.
Do it with anyone who wants to listen to you be angry about things that have zero to do with what it is your angry about in the first place.
You left me with nothing other than your anger, and I choose .. no.
B
….at the moment of Osama’s imminent death …he hid behind his wife as she lunged at the Navy Seals to protect her husband. So much for Osama the brave visionary. Had to hide behind a woman wearing a veil.
What a guy!
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Why don’t I believe this little factoid? It just screams propaganda to me.
tis true, and I think it is on video they are deciding to release.
B
TOG – I am trying to follow your argument and have a few questions for you.
Snipped from your post 5/3, 5:50 p.m.
“Sorry, Dee. I do not consider slaughtering thousands, and thousands of innocent brown children on the other side of the globe in pursuit of capital gain to be justice.”
Which brown children have we been slaughtering for capital gain?
“I am anti-war. What’s caused more wars in the history of mankind than anything? GOD.”
I thought you just said above it was for capital gain? Are you saing the U.S. is fighting in the Middle East because of our God?
“We have absolutely no business policing the world committing atrocities upon innocent people. That’s the whole reason 9/11 happened in the first place.”
In Bin Laden’s “Letter to America” he blamed 9/11 almost completely on America’s support of the Jewish occupation and persecution of Palestine.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2002/nov/24/theobserver
Do you think we should drop our support of Israel?
TOG, I’ve been thinking all day of something really smart to say to you. Can’t do it. The best I got is do you know how and why the United States came about? If it wasn’t for the Revolutionary WAR, you’d be sipping $30 cups of tee while wiping the King and Queen of England’s ass. No GOD involved. You certainly wouldn’t be able to express yourself like you are. Have you ever thought of joining the Westboro Baptist Church folks. They know how to use their freedom of speech. Nice people. You remind me of them.
Obama has just announced that he will not release the photos of Bin Laden. I’m curious to know how people feel about that? Doesn’t he work for us? Don’t we have the right to see proof that our public enemy #1 is dead? We saw picutres of Saddam Hussein, Abu Al-Zarkawi, Al Capone, Hitler, etc. I beleive it is important that Obama release the death photos of Bin Laden because those who shot him are unidentified and therefore unable to be interviewwed and because of his hasty burial at sea. I also feel some skepticism about the fact that, after all this time, Obama finally releases his birth certificate a couple of days before he gives the order to take out Bin Laden. He obviously knew we had him in our sights at the time of the birth cert. release.
As a matter of fact and you can correct me if I’m wrong, I don’t think the US has ever fought a WAR because of religion. It’s always been financial, territorial or human rights hasn’t it?
Dee, without being disrespectful, or selling you short… I don’t need to read all of that article to answer your question.
First and foremost – though I stand by every word I’ve said, people (by no fault of their own) lose sight of a lot of things via text (read that, B?). I am a facetious ass in a lot of ways. However, via text you lose 90 percent of communication. Tone of voice, body language, etc etc etc.
That being said, do I feel we should drop our support of Israel? I do. It has nothing to do with race, or religion. It’s quite simply foreign policy, and empathy. I truly don’t believe either side is right, and from my posts I could see how some would think I’m some sort of sympathizer. Truth is I’m not. I disagree with both sides immensely. It just so happens that I’m surrounded by people on one particular side, so I’m much more vocal about it. My message is honestly of peace, understanding, and love.
I don’t care do divulge my past publicly, but I will say it was one I am ashamed of in a sense. In a lot of ways, I wouldn’t take it back in the sense that it’s helped me grow to become who I am today. The only thing I ever ask for is for people to not necessarily agree with anything, but at least take a step back. Put your family history, personal experiences, national pride…whatever. Put that shit aside for just a moment, and try to view it from someone else’s point of view. Only then will we as humanity perhaps start to not even understand each other, but appreciate each other as fellow human beings just trying to live. That’s all I want. Yes, I realize it’s very utopian, and likely never will happen. However, I’m the type of dude that will sit down with aboslutely ANYONE, and respectfully debate them. We’ll eat a good meal, share a few drinks, hate absolutely everything one another has to say, and vehemently disagree. At the end of the night, I’ll shake your hand, hug your neck, and call you in the morning to make sure you made it home okay. That’s how I roll these days.
Peace and love to everyone here. I meant no disrespect, but I am very passionate about everything. What people often misunderstand is that I, in fact, came from some of the same places as you did. <3
32.Dee says:
May 4, 2011 at 3:02 pm
Obama has just announced that he will not release the photos of Bin Laden. I’m curious to know how people feel about that? Doesn’t he work for us? Don’t we have the right to see proof that our public enemy #1 is dead?
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“It is important for us to make sure that very graphic photos of somebody who was shot in the head are not floating around as an incitement to additional violence. As a propaganda tool,” Obama said in the taping for 60 Minutes. “You know, that’s not who we are. You know, we don’t trot out this stuff as trophies. You know, the fact of the matter is this was somebody who was-deserving of the justice that he received. And I think Americans and people around the world are glad that he’s gone. But we don’t need to spike the football.”
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I agree with President Obama’s decision not to release the photos. I can’t say I am surprised at this decision as it is in keeping with the manner in which he comports himself. With dignity.
I also have no doubt that no matter what proof the President offers, there are always going to be those who won’t believe him.
As Americans under a democracy, isn’t it our duty to ask questions of our government? If I remember high school government class correctly the idea of our government is that it is run by the people. We elect these people based on the belief that they have OUR best interest in mind. In the case of Miss Bobo, two words have caused a debate starting around april 16th that continues today. Those two words are dragged and led. All day on every forum folks ask “which is it” “why won’t they tell us what really happened” etc. Without evidence no one is satisfied with what they have been told. So how is it that this is so different. So many conflicting reports on every aspect of the STORY our chief told us all, in such dramatic fashion. It seemed like a movie to me. Scene starts with jovial president who just proved he was born on U.S soil, steps out of his office and takes a dramatic stroll down the hall to his podium. He addresses the nation with a very patriotic and emotion filled speech informing his people that the villain has been defeated, finally, but we are in more danger than before. Time to unite once again, we are all together as one. Scene ends with heroic president turning and walking confidently back down the long hallway before disappearing into his office, confident that he would now surely be re-elected despite his horrid approval rating only days before. Propaganda…what really happened? Was he armed, unarmed or reaching for a weapon? I have heard each one stated. Did he try to fight back or did he use a woman as a shield? How many seals were there exactly? Did he die in 2001, 2002, 2004, 2007, may 1, 2011 or the week before may 1, 2011. All have been reported. How was dna confirmation obtained so quickly for a burial at sea less than 24 hours later? No evidence of this man dying other than a man that is trying to make us like him again. A man who hasn’t fulfilled any promise he made before 2008. Oh, you have pictures, ok can I see them? Yes no yes no later no…why not? Too graphic. Well that should be our decision, we are adults. We were able to decide to elect you then we should be able to see proof if we want. So anyway, why do so many believe this to be true, without even one sliver of evidence? If it is true, without proof, deep down we will always wonder. If it is a lie, from what I have seen, it is working perfectly.
Okay- I do not usually talk about politics- it is a sure way to lose friends and or piss them off-
Sadly this is turning into politics as usual…
The truth is- that no matter what a sitting president does- there will be some that vehemently disagree with him/her- no matter what.
They didnt vote for ____ and they can not bring themselves to see any good in anything that goes on during the administration.
Others can differentiate between the person/party and see both the good and bad and realize nothing is ever as simple as some would have us believe.
chefjagcc-
Yes – in this country we have the right to ask questions and state our opposition or our support. That is the beauty of America.
But please do not attempt to speak for all of us- or question for all of us-
or assume that those that do not see things the way you do are somehow buying into propaganda.
I do not think President Obama’s country of birth was ever a concern for most.
To believe that during the campaign trail, Hillary Clinton, Rudolph Giuliani, and all the other candidates would not have screamed at the top of their lungs that barrack Hussian Obama was not a US citizen and was not qualified to run for President & to believe that they would not have found the proof of this and used it -thereby clearing the path for them to “win” is just beyond belief IMO
So please- do not state that President Obama just recently proved he was born on U.S soil- the truth is, you and others may have finally allowed yourselves to believe what many had long ago accepted and knew to be the truth.
Next, chefjagcc, you talk as if President Obama somehow deviated from the norm in his speech- I cant count the amount of times I have seen a President walk down the hallway or sit at their desk and address the country in much the same way. Ever since President Kennedy figured out looking good on television would play well – Presidents have been having photo-ops and live speeches ect.
So whats the problem there?
Is it bad to want to unite Republicans- Independents and Democrats alike?
As for approval ratings I dont put any stock in them.
But by all means if you vote strictly on what polls tell you…go for it…me, not so much.
Please do not state that “this man” is trying to get us to like him again- You assume that I did like him- or that I once did but have since stopped.. I dont have to like My President, sure its nice, but I dont need to have a beer with them or want them to play the sax for me or eat pretzels at a ballgame with me-
As for President Obama not keeping any of his promises- I disagree- but back on point-
He kept this promise… to go into Pakistan with or without their blessing -based on viable intelligence – and take out Osama Bin Laden
I would expect someone such as yourself, that has done extensive research into 911 …to not simply take information that is given to you at face value.
BTW- throughout history -we the people- have not been privy to a great deal of things and our questions have gone unanswered-
Gee arent we still waiting for them to unseal the information concerning the Kennedy assassination? Wasnt that supposed to have already been released in its entirety?
To me the question of whether or not Osama Bin Laden is dead has been answered. Seriously- do you think if our government were lying – it wouldnt come back to haunt Obama in a HUGE way and soon? Osama himself would be out front and center saying hey look its me Im alive- Obama didnt get me..nananananana
You want to see the pictures as proof chefjagcc, why? you know with all your research and knowledge that photos and videos can be faked right?- “Wag the Dog” and all that- so how would seeing the pictures prove it to you?
Dont insult my intelligence chefjagcc-no amount of “proof” would suffice- you would claim it had been doctored…so why should we risk inciting more hatred for the USA- by showing these pics and having al-Qaeda use them as enticement for others to join up – “Hey We Want You” Posters featuring the martyred Osama Bin Laden…. …thanks but no thanks
JMO
Peace
TOG
QUOTE:
The only thing I ever ask for is for people to not necessarily agree with anything, but at least take a step back. Put your family history, personal experiences, national pride…whatever. Put that shit aside for just a moment, and try to view it from someone else’s point of view.
UNQUOTE
TOG, your posts are definitely full of convictions you stand on b/c of personal experiences. I respect that! Your posts have had me weigh in on my faith, my own convictions, the kinds of values I want to instill in my child.
The above quote you made…I challenge you to do the same. Did you not fear, to some degree, the power and hatred OBL had, for most part, of ‘people’? His mind was so closed. Anyone against his agenda needed to be exterminated. Do you have children? I feel as though my son has a less violent world to wake up to because of the elimination of a HUGE threat to our world. I am a Christian. I too believe in ‘THOU SHALL NOT KILL’, but I believe we have a right to kill when it comes to defending ourselves. I know it hasn’t solved the whole problem but I have to say, I am sleeping better at night knowing this one man cannot hurt another innocent life ever again. Unfortunately, his legacy will continue on in those who followed him. Hitler was no different. The hate of this man continues on in the generations of people who didn’t live to see the millions of lives he extinguished. Why? They did not think like them. What if we had not defeated the SS and brought down the Nazi party? What if???????? Lord, I do not wish to even consider the possibilities.
I personally do not believe anyone is celebrating the death of a human being. I believe we are celebrating the end of a reign of an evil minded terrorist. We are celebrating that the good beat out evil in this incident. We are celebrating the freedom to live w/o fear! In this case, OBL most needed to be stopped. Whatever it took. Again, as long as there’s someone out there who craves power, greed, dictatorship and eliminating their enemy for the faux sake of religion, war is imminent. Is there a better way? I am certain most would agree with me that if a more peaceful way of co existing without blood shed is possible, then YES, let’s do it.
If you are asking to step outside of ourselves and consider different points of view, then in all due fairness, we ask you do the same. The worst of the worst did not deserve to live. Was that our decision to make? I don’t know but if not, God will condemn and punish those who did not obide by His plans for us. I just know God never intended to bring harm to us. He promised to protect us from the enemy. He gave us the spiritual weapons and the power, as His children, to eliminate the enemy who does not serve God and torment the lives of those who do. He gave us the right to fight spiritual warfare in His name. OBL was not serving his God, simply, just using his so called faith as a weapon to exploit his plans to dominate, control and destroy.
AMHO (again, I apologize for poor spelling and editting.)
Ragdoll, the first thing people need to realize is the man that’s typing this is a formerly extremely violent drug addict. The type of guy that wouldn’t sit down, and respectfully debate anyone. I’d walk up to you, put your teeth down the back of your throat, spit on you as you hit the ground, then go finish my beer. I was wrong. It was no way of life.
This is esentially how our nation is run today. “Agree with us, and our allies, or else”…. I just don’t see how one can aim for peace through the scope of an automatic weapon.
No, I do not have any children. Nor will I ever. I didn’t ask for any of this, and in many ways despise it all. I would never want my child growing up feeling the way I do, so I choose not to procreate.
Can I ask you a question, though? How is it that you feel any safer when one of the first things our government said was that we were in more immediate danger because of the backlash OBL’s extermination may cause? For every OBL killed, there’s 4 more that have been indoctrinated waiting to take his place. Again, it’s a never ending cycle of violence, and tyranny. If I may suggest a film for you to watch, and try to watch it objectively. Here is the trailer, but the full video is split up into two parts on YouTube. The majority of Americans don’t understand why they hate us. Does it justify them murdering innocent cilvians? Absolutely not. But this might answer a few questions for you as to why I feel the way I feel.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lSp-oIOhq00
I also have no doubt that no matter what proof the President offers, there are always going to be those who won’t believe him.
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I agree, there are some who will only buy in to what they already believe, whether it be those who have bought completely into the system or those who buck everything about it.
Should we blindly trust 100% that which we are told? For me, I don’t need photos or proof as I just don’t feel strongly one way or the other about OBL’s death. I believe it to be largely symbolic.
I still remain skeptical that it went down as they portrayed. I did not think for one moment, and it looks like they may be admitting to this, that even OBL would try and hide behind his wife during an attack.
Which leads directly back to the point. Why allow slanted stories and misportrayed facts to guide our emotions? I don’t think God had anything to do with the death of this man. This is all human activity and the Lord is just waiting for us to awaken to his message and NOT be so easily swayed by human disfunction and activity.
We collectively are not strong. We’re looking here and there and everywhere, always distracted. I see that is the negative power doing this and God is within us, reminding us that the change needs to occur within then it will automatically manifest in the world around us. Yes, humans are that powerful. We were made in His image after all.
To be distracted by lies and rah! rah! messages of hope that really mean very little is to continue down the path of ‘half asleep’ that we’ve been so easily led to, sucked into the drama as it were. Best to observe and withold judgement.
It’s a large concept, but it is the crux of the matter of human life and the drama on our little planet. Yes, we must live it, but it is most healthy to do so in awareness that things are just not always what they seem.
I feel safer b/c OBL was the master mind behind the attacks! He was the one who gave birth to the hate and anger so to speak, and nurtured it to what it became.
Everyone said the same thing about Hitler. There would be a back lash, the war wouldn’t be over b/c his faithful followers would want revenge.
You cannot ask people to consider other points of view when you’re being closed minded. No disrespect, but I cannot stand double standards. As for not having kids, that is your choice. I chose to have my son b/c I still believe in the beauty of this world. I believe there’s an incredible adventure for him to live and I refuse to let fear stand in his way, or mine.
…as for God, that is only your opinion. It is not fact. That is what disturbs me the most. You cannot shut my faith down and tell me God had nothing to do with this. He is just. I stand by my faith and my beliefs, and as for the rainmakers, well they can stay away from my parade.
As for why OBL hated us…..no one had a chance to get inside his brain. He hated western civilization and democracy? He hated Christianity? He hated vanilla ice cream? Since we do not have the ability to get inside his head and learn what fueled this man exacly, it’s almost moot to ask these questions. AND THAT’s what made him a dangerous man. There is a timelime as to how Al Qaeda came to be but who would know that by September 11, 2001, he would mastermind one of the most destructive hate killings the world as ever seen. For all I know he’s Hitler reincarnated.
I think Mr. Obama made a statement. That the unkillable and the uncapturable was infallible after all. I’m not so arrogant to not to think there won’t be another attack. Perhaps his followers will continue his crusade. Knowing the US gov’t has seized OBL’s computer and exposed future possible attacks eliminates some of the control.
For Blink’s sake and the sake of everyone else on here, I’m not going to further respond. I think we all get that you’re trying to be the angel of reason. There’s nothing wrong with that. I don’t believe further discussion is going to change anything. This is the kind of division OBL wanted.
In the end I wish you peace and I wish you faith, hope and love, but above all, love <3
Mom, I think you missed the point of what I was trying to say. I understand this is not a political website and had no intention of debating gov’t issues. The point I was trying to make is on a website full of people who study crime, and base their opinions on intense research and some sort of hard evidence, hasn’t wondered why no evidence is shown.
“But please don’t attempt to question for all of us-or assume that those that do not see things the way you do are somehow buying into propaganda.”
In no way did I attemp to speak for anyone but myself.
“So please-do not state that President Obama just recently proved he was born on U.S soil-the truth is, you and others may have finally allowed yourselves to believe what many had long ago accepted and knew to be the truth.”
You, on the other hand, don’t seem to have a problem speaking for me and others. I never doubted his birthplace or his citizenship. You just assumed I did. You seem to a lot of the things you told me not to. You may be a mom, but your not my mom so you can refrain from asking me to stop doing things.
“Please do not state that “this man” is trying to get us to like him again-You assume that I did like him-or that I once did but have since stopped.”
Now you are asking me not to state my opinion. How nice. I don’t recall directing this post at you, or using your name, yet again you tell me that I assumed you liked him. How did you decide I posted that comment with you in mind? Based on facts, Obama’s approval rating has declined since 2008. I think it is fair to say that some folks once did but have since stopped. So it is my opinion that “this man” is trying to get those people to like him again. So please don’t ask me to hide my opinion.
I “As for President Obama not keeping any of his promises-I disagree-but back on point-He kept this promise… to go into Pakistan with or without their blessing -based on viable intelligence –and take out Osama Bin Laden”
Without proof that is hearsay.
“To me the question of whether or not Osama Bin Laden is dead has been answered. Seriously- do you think if our government were lying – it wouldnt come back to haunt Obama in a HUGE way and soon? Osama himself would be out front and center saying hey look its me Im alive- Obama didnt get me.”
I agree. Bin Laden is dead. Did he die May 1, 2011? IMO, no.
“You want to see the pictures as proof chefjagcc, why? you know with all your research and knowledge that photos and videos can be faked right?- “Wag the Dog” and all that- so how would seeing the pictures prove it to you?”
I never asked to see the pictures. I wouldn’t want to see the pictures if they existed. The point i was making was, what reason would there be to go back and forth trying to decide to release them. Saddam, Uday and Qusay had graphic photos released very quickly. IMO, the reason there was so much talk about the photos were to convince the people that they existed.
“Dont insult my intelligence chefjagcc-no amount of “proof” would suffice- you would claim it had been doctored”
I am sorry if your intelligence feels insulted. I think you give yourself to much credit, you thought way to hard about what I wrote, but missed my point entirely. You even tried getting in my head and telling me what i feel, believe, and even how i would respond. All completely off from my actual beliefs and feelings.
Of course, there have been any number of conspiracy theories concerning 9/11, and it could be this is just another one.
But the weight of opinion now swinging behind the possibility that Bin Laden is dead – and the accumulating evidence that supports it – makes the notion, at the very least, worthy of examination.
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1212851/Has-Osama-Bin-Laden-dead-seven-years–U-S-Britain-covering-continue-war-terror.html#ixzz1LV4evwSg
Usama bin Laden has died a peaceful death due to an untreated lung complication, the Pakistan Observer reported, citing a Taliban leader who allegedly attended the funeral of the Al Qaeda leader.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,41576,00.html
I appreciate all the posters that have shared their thoughts concerning the death of OBL. What a great place we are in that we can all express our religious, political and personal views on events that have and are going to change the world in which we live. I have read all posts on this thread. There are many differing opinions and perspectives eloquently expressed on this forum, however, there is one perpective I have not seen….
I often hear and read about how our nation entered into wars (please note the plural here) in Afghantistan and Iraq as a result of the 9/11 attacks, I have a differing view….We are at war with an ideology, that which seeks to destroy a free and democratic way of life, a peaceful, civilized and tolerant way of life. This is a war against terrorism and the U.S. has decided to take that war to whatever front is necessary to protect the free world. Just as in WWI, there is reference to the Eastern and Western fronts, and in WWII, there is reference to the European and Pacific campaigns, the war in Iraq, Afghanistan, and any other country foolish enough to knowingly harbor and/or support terrorists organizations put themselves in the crosshairs in this war against terrorism. We are fighting one and only one war, at least in my mind.
For most Americans the war on terrorism started on 9/11, but for a small group, the war started much earlier. For some Americans this war has been waged personally and privately for far longer than 10years. It’s too bad that the people and the government chose to be like ostriches and stick their collective heads in the sand and continue to believe that it could never happen here, here on American soil. With all due respect to TOG, this choice, by our government, to engage in war was not a case of heading over to the Middle East to knock someone’s teeth in and spit on them. We did not incite the violence. Anyone here remember the attack on the peacekeeping Marines in Beirut, Lebanon in 1983? How about the death of a disabled American-Jew on the Achilles Lauro? The hijacking and death of Robert Strathem on TWA fight 800? The bombings of the disco-teches in Germany? What about the jet over Lockerbie and the 2 attacks aimed at American military based in Saudi Arabia? Maybe you recall the attacks on the American Embassies in Africa, or maybe some remember the USS Cole? We, Americans did not start this war, until they brought it to the streets of NY after almost 20years of attacks.
OBL is dead and the world is a better place without him, politics and religion aside. I believe his death will bring closure and a measure of justice to the innocent and diverse victims that were killed on 9/11 and to their families who can begin to heal and move forward….for some, those who have fought this war internally for far longer than 10years, justice may never come, but be assured we will continue to help those attempting to move forward with their lives after suffering at the hands of a terrorist act and some of us will keep working closely with our government to prevent future attacks against Americans…you all included, despite your politics or religious beliefs. Those of us that have lived and coped with a personal, violent and very public loss would never wish their broken hearts, their hopelessness and fears on anyone, but some would rather work tirelessy to protect you from suffering the same fate. God Bless America.
@ ThatOneGuy (sorry Blink)
I can only state in response to your comments that I am currently sitting in Afghanistan. The mood was hearty here last Sunday.
There is a large difference between “us” and “them” (“Them” being terrorists) and that is that we do our utmost to avoid civilian casualties while they actually target civilians. Go figure — we are NOT comparable.
I sleep soundly each and every night.
Ragdoll, how exactly am I being closed-minded, or trying to shut down your faith? How many different ways to I have to say I respect people of all faiths? How many times do I have to say I am agnostic? As in I neither confirm, nor deny the existence of a God of any kind because I simply do not know, and I’m not arrogant enough to say ‘THIS IS HOW IT REALLY IS’ without having any evidence to support my theory. My only argument is more people have died in the name of God than any other cause in the history of mankind. It’s pretty hard to argue that fact.
Something obviously had to be done about Bin Laden. We as a people cannot just allow dangerous people such as him to roam the planet. Futhermore, by his own admission Khalid Shaikh Mohammed was the mastermind of 9/11 under Bin Laden’s Al Qaeda network. Guess what? We captured his ass, and we’re putting him on trial. Our government has flat out admitted that Bin Laden was unarmed, and didn’t really resist. In other words, we illegally executed an unarmed man. I am opposed to that. I am also not convinced that we were in Pakistan legally. What choice does Pakistan have other than to say they gave us the go ahead, though? I have no evidence to back this theory up, but historically speaking, Pakistan has always opposed us being in their country. What are they supposed to do, though? Come out, and denounce us only to look like idiots in front of their Muslim brethren? Start a war with us? They had no choice but to say they gave the go ahead.
“I will mourn the loss of thousands of precious lives…but I will not rejoice in the death of one…not even an enemy! Returning hate for hate multiplies hate…adding even deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness, only light can do that! Revenge cannot drive out hate…only love can do that.” -Martin Luther King
chefjagcc ,
Hello, I seem to have hit a nerve with you. I’m Sorry about that.
You did not address your post to me chefjagcc- you’re right…. you didnt address it to anyone in particular. So forgive me if I thought that it was “open” for all who contribute here to freely give our thoughts on your comments – perhaps I was wrong.
As for me not being your mother- you’re right I am not- but no where in your post did you state anything as *your opinion only* and excuse me- but you did state certain things as if they were fact-
“Scene starts with jovial president who just proved he was born on U.S soil, steps out of his office and takes a dramatic stroll down the hall to his podium. He addresses the nation with a very patriotic and emotion filled speech informing his people that the villain has been defeated, finally, but we are in more danger than before. Time to unite once again, we are all together as one. Scene ends with heroic president turning and walking confidently back down the long hallway before disappearing into his office, confident that he would now surely be re-elected despite his horrid approval rating only days before. Propaganda…what really happened?”
chefjagcc, I did not miss your point- in fact I agree with your point, it was the rest of it that I just felt was surrounded by BS…and I called you on it. I guess you did not want your opinions to be questioned and stated for what they are/were just YOUR opinions.
Respectfully chefjagcc, I never tried getting in your head…I simply gave my thoughts on your comment- take them or leave them-
As for whether or not I think we should research and question everything – the answer is yes of course- but we should not state our opinions as fact, nor should we use our comments in a way that might fuel political agendas. JMO
I stated clearly that my comment was all just my opinion …. I’m sorry if I misinterpreted your comment- thanks for bringing it to my attention…. not as your mother, but as a fellow contributor here at Blinks- just some helpful advice- if you write something and it is only your opinion state it as such- especially when it deals with hot-button issues that are being touted as fact elsewhere… that way, there will be less of a chance of misinterpretation. Believe me I know, hence the reason why I try to always end every post with:
AJMO
Sorry for the misunderstanding
Peace
Samarie, I agree with a lot of what you said. We are, in fact, fighting an ideology. That’s what makes it a war we can’t win. You simply cannot fight an idea. Why do you think Jerusalem has changed hands so many times, and been the epicenter of violence for thousands of years? What we are experiencing today is older than recorded history. Due to the sheer number of people now involved, and technology, it’s simply on a much larger scale.
One could argue this statement, though – ” With all due respect to TOG, this choice, by our government, to engage in war was not a case of heading over to the Middle East to knock someone’s teeth in and spit on them. We did not incite the violence.”
Once again, Arab terrorism was not a problem for the western world until post-1948 when we along with Britain handed over the state of Israel, and have continued to allow them to commit crimes against humanity with absolute impunity. If you happen to look at a map of the world, Israel is completely surrounded by Muslim nations that also believe God has given them Jerusalem for their own. Well, how the hell does Israel get away with it? Because everyone knows we’ve armed them, and if you launch a full scale attack upon Israel, you’re launching a full scale attack on the United States as well. Look at a map of Israeli vs Palestinian territories in say 1960 vs one of today. How did Israel grow so large? By killing, maiming, and torturing defenseless citizens, then bulldozing their homes to erect one of their own in it’s place.
Mom, I want you to know I read here often and post rarely. I respect your opinion and enjoy your posts. I know sometimes things get taken the wrong way over the internet. I felt like I was misunderstood and believe I may have misunderstood you as well. My frustration got the better of me and I apologize. I enjoy reading peoples thoughts and opinions here and was looking forward to discussing the enormous amount of information on the subjects that led to this. I realize now that this may not be the place to discuss a case like this. I can’t help but mention this one last thing. What would make the White House release a photo of these top officials to the MsM that appears to show them watching a live feed of the raid. When it became clear the pres didn’t witness it happen due to the changes to his original account, the White House released a statement saying they were not watching the raid happen. Then what happens is the media shows the photo but chooses not to mention the later statement, leaving a lot of people believing Obama witnessed the killing himself. Thanks for reading.
IMO
http://www.infowars.com/staged-white-house-situation-room-photos-part-of-bin-laden-fable/