Morgan Harrington Murder: FBI, Metallica and Virginia State Police Ask You To Help Them Find Her Killer
Morgan Harrington disappeared from the John Paul Jones arena on October 17, 2009. Morgan’s remains were located and recovered the morning of January 26, 2010 on the Anchorage Farm in Charlottesville, VA.
Reported exclusively on www.blinkoncrime.com, Morgan’s alleged attacker was tied via DNA to a sexual assault in Fairfax, VA in September 2005.
With the help of a multi media campaign, the FBI, Virginia State Police and Fairfax Police are asking for the publics help to catch her killer.
Revised Sketch of Harrington Suspect
Metallica offered this public service announcement:
Metallica Statement On Harrington Case
FBI Press Release:
Authorities Launch Multimedia Campaign in Morgan Harrington Murder Case
Murder Suspect Linked by DNA to Sexual Assault in Fairfax City, Virginia
| FBI Washington June 13, 2012 |
Today, federal, state, and local law enforcement launched a multimedia campaign that includes two enhanced composite sketches of a suspect in the 2009 murder of Virginia Tech student Morgan Harrington. The unknown murder suspect is also connected by DNA to a 2005 sexual assault in Fairfax City, Virginia.
Authorities recently enhanced the composite sketch created in 2005 from a description by the sexual assault victim. One of the composites shows the suspect with facial hair, as the suspect was described at the time of the attack. The second composite sketch features him without facial hair.
The two attacks were connected through DNA after a forensic profile was submitted by the Virginia Department of Forensic Science to the FBI’s national DNA database. The search found that the suspect in the Harrington murder investigation matched the DNA profile of the attacker in Fairfax City.
The multimedia campaign includes a public service announcement by Metallica lead guitarist James Hetfield appealing to the public to come forward with information concerning the Morgan Harrington investigation. The composite sketches of the suspect are being featured on bus shelters in Washington, D.C., as well as on digital billboards in Richmond, Virginia; Roanoke, Virginia; Washington, D.C.; and in 23 other states along the East Coast. Social media outreach and alerts via Facebook, Twitter, and YouTube, along with a website dedicated to the Harrington case were also launched Wednesday. Podcasts are now available on iTunes, and radio spots are airing to further raise awareness of the ongoing investigation. The multi-pronged effort is designed to develop new leads and renew the public’s attention in the attacks. The campaign implements techniques similar to those that have led to the arrests of the East Coast Rapist as well as Ten Most Wanted fugitive James “Whitey” Bulger.
The Jefferson Area Crime Stoppers is offering a $100,000 reward for information leading to the arrest and conviction of the person or persons responsible for Morgan Harrington’s murder. In addition, the band Metallica is adding $50,000 to the reward, for a total of $150,000.
Morgan Harrington Murder
On the evening of Saturday, October 17, 2009, Harrington attended a Metallica concert at John Paul Jones Arena on the University of Virginia (UVA) campus in Charlottesville, Va. At approximately 8:30 p.m., she left the arena and was unable to re-enter the facility. She was last seen hitchhiking for a ride from passing traffic.
Harrington was dressed that night in a black T-shirt with the word “Pantera” spelled out in tan letters and was wearing a distinctive Swarovski crystal necklace made of large crystal chain links, which investigators have yet to recover. Harrington’s “Pantera” T-shirt was found on November 11, 2009, in front of a row of apartments along 15th Street, NW near Grady Avenue in Charlottesville. Harrington’s skeletal remains were later discovered on January 26, 2010, in a remote field on an Albemarle County, Virginia farm along Route 29. A camera that Harrington had in her possession that night has never been recovered.
Sexual Assault in Fairfax City, Virginia
On the evening of Saturday, September 24, 2005, a 26-year-old victim was walking home from the Giant Food Store located on the 3700 block of Jermantown Road in Fairfax City, Virginia. The suspect grabbed the victim from behind as she walked down Rock Garden Drive toward her residence. He then carried the victim to a grassy area behind a maintenance shed, where he sexually assaulted her. The suspect was last seen running from the area.
The suspect is described as an African-American male with black hair and facial hair at the time of the attack. He is approximately 6’0” tall and was believed to be between the ages of 25 and 35 years old at the time of the attack.
The public is asked to review this information and consider whether they know someone who generally fits this description, who lived or had ties to the area around the times of the assaults, or who may have been known to spend considerable amounts of time in those areas.
People who know the suspect may not believe that he is capable of committing these crimes. He may not necessarily have a violent criminal history. Because investigators are in possession of DNA evidence that can either positively link the suspect to his crimes or exclude innocent parties, citizens should not hesitate to provide information, even if it is just the name of a potential suspect.
The following agencies are cooperating in the investigation of these crimes: the Virginia State Police, City of Fairfax Police, University of Virginia Police, Charlottesville Police, Albemarle County Police, Albemarle County Commonwealth’s Attorney, Virginia Tech Police Department, George Mason Police Department, and the FBI.
Law enforcement agencies are asking anyone with information to contact the FBI at 1-800-CALL-FBI (1-800-225-5324) or the Virginia State Police Tip line at 434-352-3467.
Press Contacts:
Virginia State Police
(804) 263-5547
City of Fairfax Police Department
(703) 273-2889
FBI Richmond Field Office
(804) 261-1044
FBI Washington Field Office
(202) 278-3519
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Certain details are omitted in the article (“He’s Still Here,” Hook, 2/8/2011). Police must know much more than the public is being told. Or else they are saying certain things to protect UVA and themselves until they know more. The very strong suggestion by Cappuzzo that Morgan got in someone’s car probably willingly on the bridge–off UVA grounds–is mere assumption or deliberate slanting of the case if based on the little evidence revealed in the article. The scent evidence is untrustworthy and the curtsy duo saw her when exactly…? After 9:20 (bbplayers left) and before 9:20 (dad/daughter saw her on the bridge)?
Over and over the same path we go, trying to read between the lines.
Hopefully this information is accurate but please correct me if I missed something. Where was Granny specifically parked? The RV lot or the lot where Morgan’s car was located or closer to JPJ.? I’ve looked around and all references I found just state Granny was parked when the incident occurred around 9:30. For Granny’s story to be true it seems she would have to be in the RV lot or else the timeline where Morgan has willingly gotten into a car on the bridge would not make sense. We know that two groups of young men left from separate entrances of JPJ around 9 and that Morgan walked with the group that left the side door. The two groups converged In the RV lot. During the walk to that location Morgan was unsteady on her feet and suffering from the dropsies. There seems to be about 10 minutes of what was described as limited interaction between 9:10 and 9:20 when they left. During that time Morgan asks for a ride but is turned down. She is still there when they leave. According to the scent dogs she headed to the port-a- potties at the far end of the RV lot. Next came the curtsy incident. Morgan then would have headed to the bridge. However for all sitings around this time to be accurate then it seems that either the estimated times are possibly incorrect or Morgan was somehow moving at warp speed. The reason I say that is because Morgan had to be on the bridge before 9:23. The father and daughter had seen her on that bridge by that time because that is the time the daughter used her key to get into her dorm. At 9:30 her phone is dead and the father gets a receipt from the 7-11. He then drives back over the bridge heading to his hotel andMorgan isn’t there.
So it seems that if Granny did see Morgan (if she was parked in the RV lot) she would either be off about the time it actually occurred OR Morgan was not taken from the bridge and she returned to wherever Granny was parked. It doesn’t seem possible for the Granny scenario as we know it to occurr before 9:23. Granny seemed to believe the the two people involved in the encounter knew each other so if her impression was correct either that person’s presence was known to the bball players and police are keeping it under wraps or that person was following Morgan at a distance and alone but not interacting with her. Even if the players left at 9:15 instead of 9:20 then it doesn’t seem feasible in that brief amount of time for her to go to the potties,curtsy, argue with the young man, head towards the arena, then to the bridge where she was spotted before 9:23. Therefore imho, if Granny did see Morgan then she didn’t vanish from that bridge. Since the road was fairly empty at that time she may decided to head back towards JPJ especially if she realized her phone wasn’t working and her camera was gone. While in whichever lot Granny was in the slapping incident occurred, Morgan walks towards the arena the male went towards the road but then Granny saw him turn around and jog back towards Morgan’s direction.
i have to say, given all that we know, if she got into a car willingly while “hitchhiking” right around the time the timeline ends and the phone goes dead, i can only think she got in a car with the bbp or associated party.
if it is known by le that the perp returned to the rv lot,after murdering morgan, i am flabbergasted. that person is imitate with that lot. when did he return? did he see sarah&amy,and company,waiting for morgan by her car ,did they see him,his car? was the 100 of hours of business footage searched for the wee hour return of lone car through uva closed lots?
I just looked up the 09-10 basketball roster and there were 16 people listed. But only 14 were questioned. I wonder where the other two were at the time.
The fact that two players were suspended after Morgan’s disappearance raised quite a few eyebrows. One player never returned and the other was Assane Sena. Sena was kept out of 3 games during that season due to the violation of an unknown team rule. During his senior year on January 19 2012 ( interesting date isn’t it?) he broke his ankle and needed surgery. However it was announced that even if his ankle healed quickly he would not be allowed to play because he broke another unknown team rule. It must have been a lot more serious than what he did in the 09-10 season for Coach Bennett to effectively end the college career of one of his favorite players. Although I doubt his had any involvement because 7 ft tall men seem to stand out in a crowd. However the 09-10 suspensions have always intrigued me because I wonder if there was any correlation between the verification of the players alibis that night and the suspensions. Meaning that providing an alibi meant admitting to some sort of questionable behavior.
In regards to the hitchhiking, have we ever heard any details regarding the two other people who claim to have seen Morgan on the bridge? I also wonder where the dorm was located where the father dropped of his daughter and the reason his route changed ,meaning he didn’t leave the dorm on the same route he took getting there. Looking at the map it looks like he would have taken 29 to get back to the Ivy road 7-11. Then he turned right onto Copeley to head back to his hotel which is when he saw Morgan was gone.
Susanm, Morgan’s car wasn’t in the RV lot. Capuzzo described the lot as being between Emmet street and U-hall. According to the map that lot faces Massie and the designated pick-up drop-off area at JPJ.
Still wondering if Granny was parked in the RV lot because if not I doubt the fight she heard/ saw involved Morgan.
susanm
Anyone would have to be an imbecile to return to the lot with the stolen items. All good points from you. If the perp or perps are that stupid to bring them back, then they should have been easily caught. Since they were not caught, it either did not happen, OR the perps had a reason to be there. You are completely right about that. Who would have a reason to be there? Security, maintenance,
someone going to practice early am. OR, someone trained in stealth who could go anywhere, anytime, without being seen.
It is mind-boggeling
Blink, as a member of the press, can’t you ask for information on the timeline? Is LE mis stating the timeline on purpose?
For investigative reasons?
I have. LE stands behind it, as it is, and updates or questionables would fall upon case sensitive.
It does not fit as is, period.
B
John I too doubt the perp would return to the scene because it seems like a really stupid thing to do. But then again this is a violent sadistic monster who thinks he has the right to violate a woman’s body, take her life, and then dump her like she was garbage so who knows how his twisted mind works. As you stated, returning to the area likely meant the perp had a reason to be there but he would also have knowledge on where to dump her things. She may have gotten into Sketch’s car but if he planted her bag then he was in the RV lot that night. But on the other hand why did she leave it there? The two possible explanations are that she was so inebriated she didn’t realize she dropped it or she returned to the lot after going to the bridge and she was then ambushed and dropped her bag.
I also wonder if she obtained more alcohol or drugs once outside the arena. I really do think drugs were in her system because police confirmed she had been drinking but would not address the issue of drugs out of respect to her family. If her toxicology screen was clean they wouldnt have played the ” respect for the family” card. I wonder if Morgan’s group only drank / dabbled in other substances before the concert or if they snuck whatever they were drinking into the venue. If they only did those things outside of the arena before the concert the effects shouldn’t have been so strong that she was stumbling through the parking lot, holding onto cars, and repeatedly dropping her belongings. She should have been getting more steady instead of getting worse. Perhaps getting more of whatever she wanted was the reason she left the arena in the first place.
I want to be crystal clear on this point- and this will be my only comment on it.
There were no drugs of any kind found at autopsy from her recovered remains, period.
How about he returned to the scene because he was expected there?
If suspect is at the scene, and so is her purse, whereby it is assumed she went missing from there, isn’t that an instant alibi?
The purse and it’s contents remain in evidence.
B
Lee-Lee, the bbplayers supposedly have been questioned and cleared. The Foods of All Nations workers also have been questioned and cleared, along with other employees in the area. But I would say, to underscore B.s point above, ANY athletes or managers or coaches who frequent(ed) that parking lot and area for practices/games would be people to watch closely.
Same for ANY field, landscaping or building workers there.
Same for ANY security, police or professional drivers there.
Same for ANY workers who park or hang out in the lot behind FOAN.
Hope they’re being observed.
If Granny saw Morgan around 9:30, Morgan was walking away from the bridge sometime between 9:20 and 9:30.
From Lee-Lee, “Morgan’s car wasn’t in the RV lot. Capuzzo described the lot as being between Emmet street and U-hall. According to the map that lot faces Massie and the designated pick-up drop-off area at JPJ.” IF that is true, Morgan would have had to walk through the U. Hall lots from the bridge. Even if Granny sighting is off by a few minutes (9:35 say) this would explain why Morgan was not spotted again by Dad as he drove back along Copeley and Massie to Emmet.
This just makes me shiver because, as I’ve stated here before, that is precisely the area that has given me the heebie-jeebies on occasions well before 2009. It’s a big, dark (even when lit), and often desolate area. Certain areas around U. Hall are far enough away from JPJ arena that you could easily be unseen and unheard if you called out. And it was dark, cold, and rainy that night.
Who was expected at the scene? Someone picking up concert goers, security, outside workers, that is lots of people, but it is relatively early in evening, otherwise, not many would be expected to be in empty lot. If there were lots of people around, then there is risk of being spotted with womans purse, I guess. I guess there must be DNA evidence on the purse as well, if sketch was bleeding enough to be on Morgans shirt.
Blink in January you pointed out that due to the state of Morgan’s remains you were doubtful if a toxicology report would be useful. If there was nothing other than alcohol in her system I don’t see why LE wouldn’t just come out and say that because it isn’t case sensitive information.It would certainly silence the eternally annoying accidental overdose theorists.
“Her tox results have not been released, but I do not believe they will be especially helpful given the condition of her remains.”
In regards to the players being interviewed and cleared only 14 of the 16 were in the RV lot at the same time as Morgan. I don’t think the other two were involved but it is worth noting because it isn’t known where they were. They could have left JPJ later than the other players. If they were parked where all the others were parked then anything they saw once they got to the lot could be helpful.
LeeLee- Le has no burden to divulge anything they have or do not in this case. They do not care whatsoever if there is blog speculation about overdoses, etc, because as I pointed out long ago, it is just silly to think that is an option and that they would continue a homicide investigation.
The recent FBI campaign has sketch wanted for murder, period.
LE has two jobs right now.
1. To locate sketch
2. To protect a successful prosecution against her murderer and any potential accomplices.
B
OK, where is sketch? I wonder if LE knows who he is, but not where he is. Who does know where he is, and who does know who he is. The involved know who he is, but may not know where he is. He might not know where they are. They might all know where each other is, and at this very moment be reading here, absolutely amazed at the dogged determination of us here on BOC. It is enough to make one of em want to confess. What would make one of them confess? A spiritual moment. a moment of clarity, that is, a sober moment. What might they tell themselves is a good reason to feel OK about rape, torture, and murder of a young woman, who is daughter friend, sister, and now she is the spiritual friend to all of us here. That should be a reasonably frightening thought to some of the killers. If they knew what a powerful spirit thetan Morgan is, they would confess and get it over with, because sooner, rather than later, they will want to be at peace with their own souls. How can one rest and live on this earth or the next with murder hanging unto one like a cloak of darkness. There is nothing more important than being true to your own soul/God within you. Even when it means bearing the deserved consequences for the crimes, it is worth it in the long run. I want at least one of the guilty to read this and understand what I am talking about. Tell someone, anyone in authority. Do not delay, be at peace.
leelee,the book keeper was able to see into the rv lot from a distant vantage point,supposedly, the uhall lot is where is morgans car was parked. unknown is exactly how long s&a waited but how empty/full was the lot ,did they wait til every car was gone ,did they really come back at 6am? how empty/full was the lot? if i was waitin for a friend by her car in a lot ,.and she didnt show up ,i’d be lookin in the distances,and thinkin every approachin car in the distance was her returning for the ride home, before i left,(they assumed she really had found a ride -somewhere.) if i came back at 6am ,i’d be askin every single visible person if they saw her,esecially anyone lookin like they’d been there since the previous evening,or the wee hours (maintenance crew).it hasnt been officiated ,has it?how long did they wait? and did they return at 6am?
All of this is my own opinion.
Who would Morgan get into a car with?
Someone she thought she could trust.
If it were me and I was her age (I would’ve definitely been drinking much more than she was…yes, I was a party girl.)
I would have
a. gotten in the car with someone that I kind of knew (doubtful in
Morgan’s situation)
b. a cute guy that I had met earlier in the evening
c. a taxi driver
d. a policeman who I could trust to give me a ride
e. someone in a security vehicle
f. someone on a golfcart
I just do not think that she would accept a ride from someone she didn’t know…or had never met. Other than someone who was in a position to provide safety.
NOW
Who of those types of people would be present during the location of the purse?
UVA/contract security, cute guy who happened to be a lacrosse player who happened to tamper with the evidence. NOT accusing ANYONE here.
UNLESS Sketch was in a position of providing safety or security (I think he’d be identified by now if that were so)
Sketch has an accomplice. A white cute accomplice who may have been a student…or a cute security guard…perhaps on a golf cart.
Some that has some connection to AF.
I think that any officer of any of the local departments (including AF) with knowledge of private scanner channels…any of those people with sons…need to be looked at.
Any thoughts?
Yes, no drugs found based on a more than likely inclusive tox screen, so essentially, LE only knows if Morgan took more than alcohol, if it was verified by someone she was with or someone saw her. Her condition and frame of mind were fairly important early on, so I assume LE knows, but there is no advantage releasing that info. publicly at this point.
My belief has always been that Morgan was attacked in or around the RV lot, her belongings were discarded at the scene when she was taken, no reason to come back to JPJ because there was no direct association there, if so, the connection would have been made by now.
I have never been attached to stranger before as I have become attached now for nearly 3 years to Morgan Harrington. When I first heard about Morgan, a beautiful college girl missing from a Metallica concert, I thought for sure she had followed the bands to NC, off on an adventure. Then I considered a band staff member of any of the 3 bands there that night might have taken her to keep her around, as she was so beautiful to look upon and have in their company.
As time went on, I became stubbonly stuck here because I just can not believe it possible that Morgan had such a very bad night. Starting from 2pm, after she spoke to her father. How could all these bad things have happened, and kept on happening? I somehow wonder if it could be possible, after this un human person that did this to her is found and exposed, he could put her back. How crazy is that?
Morgan was a real person, a daughter a sister and our fellow human being. She’s gone. I am so sorry for everyone that lost her. I want the unhuman person to be exposed for what he/they did. Those that helped hide him/them too. We don’t want you among us.
You are the person I wish to touch in every case. I commend you alexandra. You are an advocate.
B
John your last post was very touching. And I’ve been meaning to tell you I laughed out loud when you told Blink we’d be good if she’d reveal the identities of curtsy duo. Thanks for sticking in there with us.
Cat, always good to see you too. The evidence does seem to point to an attack in the RV lot…one reason I now discount Sketch’s return to the scene is how deep in the lot the purse was found…it wasn’t like he just pulled in the lot then threw the bag out the window as some surmised early in this case. It may be that the time of the phone going dead is the red herring…maybe she just dropped it, the back came off, the battery lost…she may not have realized til later that it was no good to her…
Blink, this is an article from the news in Richmond today!
http://www.nbc12.com/story/19228538/police-looking-for-victims-of-police-impersonator
Respectfully, where is the media? Seriously? Spot Crime does a better job.
B
Cat says:
August 8, 2012 at 4:06 pm
…My belief has always been that Morgan was attacked in or around the RV lot, her belongings were discarded at the scene when she was taken, no reason to come back to JPJ because there was no direct association there, if so, the connection would have been made by now.
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Cat, what is to say the connection has not already been made? it is one thing to solve a crime and another to successfully prosecute it.
I am definitely still open to the possibility that she was attacked right there in the RV lot. however, i strongly believe that there is a direct association with the perp(s) in this case to UVA/JPJ or the event that evening, because her body was found 10 miles away in a remote field (which has its own unique albeit obscured tangential connections to UVA as we have learned btw).
if she was attacked and murdered in the RV lot and there is no direct connection to the perp, there is absolutely no reason for the perp(s) to move and hide her body. to the contrary, they did so at the risk of being discovered with a dead woman on their hands.
now if we consider that she was abducted there, and raped and murdered elsewhere, there was still the very significant risk of the perps being witnessed, caught or recorded on surveillance video abducting someone. there still must have been a large comfort level of the perps to operate under these conditions, or the abduction had not yet turned violent, i.e. some bad guys found an attractive intoxicated woman they could potentially exploit for the evening, which is disgusting, but not an overt crime in public until it goes too far.
in either of those scenarios, leaving the victims belongings behind at the scene of the abduction seems an obvious mistake. and let us not forget, that her “purse” was actually a backpack style purse. if she had a case of the dropsies and was on the move, i would bet she was wearing it as a backpack, with both arms through the respective straps. with scrutiny, i just find it less and less plausible that the back pack just ended up there, if in fact she was abducted there. imo, it’s a plant.
i was really interested to hear Olivia’s comment # 10 above, August 6, 2012 at 8:36 pm about the area Morgan may have passed through if she left the copley bridge area intending to return to her car. someone following or stalking Morgan from the arena, that knew her predicament and intoxicated state would have known of her interaction with the BBP in the RV lot and could have ambushed her in the dark, remote area Olivia mentions (more details please, Olivia!). planting the purse back in the RV lot really starts to make a lot of sense now as an intentional misdirect by the perp. remember, LE accounts have her on the bridge AFTER she left the RV lot.
if she was attacked in the rv lot, it was by someone that knew every detail of that lot, but who could also be tied to it so they had to remove her from the area. if the beginnings of a coerced abduction happened there, it is very unlikely her purse would be there after the fact. if the perp was rushed and left it in haste, there would be witnesses to the ambush causing the rush and LE would not place her on copley after she left the lot. jmo.
dt
i like what Alexandra said … sums it up for me. we just want justice for Morgan and those like her.
if her purse was brought back by the perp, is it possible that the sent tracked by the dogs,over the bridge and disappearing at foan is the sent of purse being brought back?if it was brought back,the rv was lot was closed ,or being closed,so the perp might have walked it in from the back of foan.
typo above -scent not sent.
Regarding PamVA’s link above, I assume they have checked his DNA against Sketch’s? That guy looks a lot like Sketch, complete with wrinkly brow, hairline, and plump cheeks. His mouth and nose look quite different though. His hair looks thinner than Sketch’s too.
I have to agree with the logic of this from deetee:
“if she was attacked in the rv lot, it was by someone that knew every detail of that lot, but who could also be tied to it so they had to remove her from the area.”
This is related to what B. said, I believe, about the perp taking her away but then returning–sneakily planting the purse–because he had a good reason for being there, that is, his job or athletic training put him there.
As for the U. Hall lot, it’s hard to describe exactly the feeling of isolation and discomfort I had there on several occasions. It just felt very unsafe, poorly lit, large, deserted and absolutely not a place for a woman alone. I had the feeling that someone might be observing me too. (I was dropping off children for athletic training after dark–there’s wrestling inside and there’s soccer and football outside to the east.) And Charlottesville is not a frightening place. Imagine going to the parking lot of a large indoor mall an hour or so after closing. Add that it’s a cold and rainy night. Is that a place you want to be?
Obviously LE has no need to stop the rumors but if they could then they should especially if it would stop unfair judgements of a victim’s character. Not revealing a link to any sort of drug would be the logical thing to do before Morgan’s remains were found. All you need to do is look at the comment section on any news site and view all of the idiots out there with a blame the victim mentality. You don’t want to provide any information that would make anyone tune out a case. But once she was found information like that does become relevant. Like Lizz Plott she could have been drugged because during the concert she kept asking two people outside of her group for a sip of her drink. So that behavior could have continued once outside JPJ. Plus she would found at a place where a lot of partying went on. And I wouldn’t be surprised if Sketch knew of that area because of that very thing. Any unintentional or intentional encounter with someone who had some form of mind altering substance interests me not because of what some Judgie McCondescendings might say about Morgan but because of what it could tell us about her killer. For all we know Sketch could be in jail right now on a drug related charge. If LE knows there was something other than alcohol in her system then they need to look at everyone in the area who has a link to buying, selling, or manufacturing that particular drug and was in the area at the time of her murder. Clearly someone is protecting Sketch but nothing seems to make a criminal snitch like the chance to save their own behinds.
In regards to the location of her bag it seems the closest people to that area would be the curtsey duo. I wonder if her curtsey was flirtatious or a sort of way of acknowledging that she saw them creepily looking at her. If it was flirtatious and she thought one of the guys was cute then maybe she asked for a ride back to the arena to wait for her friends. Another scenario would be that she encountered only one of them after the incident. The encounter could have occurred on the bridge or in the RV lot after she was seen on the bridge. Maybe she went back to the lot after realizing her phones battery was gone. Either way since she had seen the guy before when she curtsied she could have assumed that he would be a safe person to quickly drive her back to the lot to meet her friends.
Leelee, it is simply not LE job to affect or control public perception or victimology although we might agree that my stance on the lack of PR strategy is pretty known in this case. Media solves cases when used correctly, and most LE do not have that in their quiver.
B
A current case that I believe used media and the community is Mickey Shunick- RIP. They put out video and info and received good info. The family also has been proactive in a classy fahion as has the Harrington’s.L
Because of the very poor lighting at the parking lots around JPJA it would be easy for a couple of guys to grab Morgan without being seen. This is particularly true regarding the overflow lot at Lanagin field.
There is no way for us to know for certain how long the overflow lot was accessable by vehicle. If Morgan was abducted from the lot in the time frame of the known time line, she could have been driven the ten miles south to the AF area very quickly. This is why I think that sketch did not enter the scene until the abduction was accomplished.
IMO the house fire the day her body was found is suspicious still.
I know it was very early in the morning, prior to daylight when the fire was reported. Was this an accident or was it an arson in an attempt to destroy evidence?
Where is the jewelry that is missing? How do we account for the shirt in very good condition found in town two weeks later? Was Morgan unable to defend herself in any way during the abduction? Did the fall in the arena cause a concussion that gradually affected her ability to recognize what was going on around her?
Did LE question every male that had anything to do with activities around the arena? Did LE make an effort to determine the vehicles around the area that were hired or operated by security? Why was there no useable video inside or outside the arena?
These are just a few of the questions that we need answers for. LE may know some of it, but IMO they have a huge hole in the investigation. Was this created because of the inablity of UVA police to understand quickly that something bad had happened on their property and they chose to make it look like it didn’t happen there?
This university has a very poor record of handling crimes against their female students over a period of twenty-five years. Sweeping things under the rug by the administration is the same as what happened at PSU regarding the Sandusky crimes.
This crime needs to be turned over to an experienced group of cold case detectives who would start at zero in the time line and prove each piece of evidence and where it fits.
I do think we are in agreement regarding PR issues. I get more frustrated as more time passes because after all of this time I fear that the lack of information may have more to do with errors in the investigation than keeping things quiet in order to protect the integrity of a prosecturial case when the useless waste of space we know as Sketch finally runs out of luck.But I do hope I am overly pessimistic and wrong. The entire drug angle not being denied bothers me on a level deeper than just feeling frustration regarding LE’s silence. If there is no connection then it would be the decent thing to do to share that information with the public. Gossip will never be silenced on the internet but I know from personal experience how much it hurts to have lost a loved one and then find yourself forced to deal with the public speculation regarding what sort of person she was.I also lost my father from natural causes and it was a different kind of grief. In a way I can compartmentalize that loss by remembering the good times and having things around me that remind me of him. Sure there are moments where something would happen and I would want to call him only to realize he wasn’t there anymore. But it becomes even more excruciating when the loss is national news because you never know when you will be faced with the brutality of the truth. I’ve come to realize that the shock of reality is often not because you are beging to forget what happened but because you block it out because your heart just can’t handle it all the time. So you go through the motions of normalcy and one day out corner of your eye you see your loved one’s face in a paper or on the news. There is a split second where you wonder why they are there. But then it hits you that they are on that TV or in that paper because that person was brutally ripped out of your life. And against my better judgement I from time to time would read an article about her or read the comments section during the trial of one of her killers and it would break my heart. Not just big things but little things too. For some reason I ended up crying for 20 minutes one time because one article got the color of her shoes wrong when describing the discovery of her body. The rumors I read often presented as fact would absolutely engrage me. It was bad enough to know that thanks to a sawed off shotgun my friend was left unrecognizable but the rumors about what she may have been doing at the time made it even worse. So to me if there is an inaccurate rumor in a case then that adds to the grief of those who loved that person. Therefore if the truth is different than perceptions and it isn’t case sensitive information then that truth should be acknowledged if only to give a tiny bit of peace to the family and friends of a victim.Obviously what other people think of a victim will never dampen the love someone feels for a person they lost. But there is a small and strange bit of comfort that comes from knowing that a complete and truthful representation of a loved one has at least been put out there.
Hi Blink ‘n Blinkstars
First of all, my condolences for the loss of your mom. I do hope you take some time to just re adjust and be ok.
In my view its not the public s task to support LE and its PR. This is unrelated to the appreciation of their hard work and the incredible challenges they face dealing with ‘humans’ who put no values on the lives of other people. In my view nothing is more important than an critical attitude to anything governmental !
I have been keeping up with this site but the lack of informational feedback from official sources makes it impossible to further theorize about what could have happened.
I do think its important to emphasize that JPJ staff chasing a paying customer, who came to be outside by mistake, (*Morgan did not want to leave JPJ* that is evidenced) into a dark and rainy desolate area is criminal. Not to mention the many careless people who clearly saw a troubled situation.
You can make all the complicated earthly protocols you want on this but yes this was morally wrong. The safety of your customers should come first. As far as the law goes I have no idea thats yet another problem. Common sense mixed with the rules people make…
Among the many men roaming the venue there would clearly be those with bad intentions. To me it seems very convienient that she was spotted only a few yards outside of jurisdiction…..hitchhiking….. as if asking for trouble. Yet again this seems one of the few pieces of solid information, the hitchhiking..
As we are part of nature it is only natural to be predatory and nothing should surprise us, as we are part of a community and family we received love and Faith ( to each his own) it is we received grace. This gives responsibility to watch out for eachother.
I do think and hope someone will do the right thing and solve what has happened that night. It is possible to be more then just another unthinking animal.
sorry to be so preachy havent posted for a while and frustrated that this has come so far without a solution
A Texas Grandfather says:
August 10, 2012 at 10:37 pm
This crime needs to be turned over to an experienced group of cold case detectives who would start at zero in the time line and prove each piece of evidence and where it fits.
YES, exactly. ASAP
TG says: “This university has a very poor record of handling crimes against their female students over a period of twenty-five years. Sweeping things under the rug by the administration is the same as what happened at PSU regarding the Sandusky crimes.
This crime needs to be turned over to an experienced group of cold case detectives who would start at zero in the time line and prove each piece of evidence and where it fits.”……I agree TG.
Along those lines, I am surprised no one here yet is talking about the reemergence of a tip the public never knew about until it was posted on HFMDH facebook a couple of weeks ago by the friend of a member of a band that played at a fraternity on University Circle the night of October 17, 2009. More than one band member claimed to have seen her at this fraternity while they were playing, and again in the same vicinity after they packed up at 3 am. (And I am glad to say that so far no one has had the urge to suspect these guys…they seem very decent. The kind of band that plays at Relay for Life etc.) The band members did submit this tip to VSP and it was discarded in similar fashion to the Norma Parsons tip. Perhaps others at this function turned in tips as well… I don’t know what made LE decide it wasn’t worthwhile but if you look on a map at the points of various sightings, including this one and the Econo-Lodge tip, they form a straight line from the arena area to the place her shirt was found. The only reason that I mention this sighting here is a) it has already been made public and b) perhaps someone reading it might know another piece to the puzzle that, along with this, would complete the scenario and help LE. The FBI is now aware of this tip. Whether anything comes of it is anyone’s guess.
Well, I do not feel their is any basis for comparison to the Sandusky case, but I agree and you all already know my feelings that UVA has been less then forthcoming.
For me, until it has been vetted, this is not a tip that progresses this case. Not saying it never will, but we are into almost the 3rd anniversary of Morgan’s murder and the obvious question would be why does anyone feel this is credible to be Morgan?
B
Dittoes TG….Solving this case might ultimately require some unpleasant truths to surface in this community. Nobody likes it, but how much more unpleasant can you get than for the “next girl” to be found dead.
I expect and support there will be much unpleasantness in this community in the journey to what will ultimately be an arrest and conviction of the murderer(s) of Morgan Harrington.
And let me underline I believe strongly their will be one.
B
LeeLee, what an eloquent post. I’m sorry for your loss. I’m sure it was hard to share but I thank you for doing so.
I don’t think predators are in a natural human state. They are afflicted with a social disease. They are a mistake of human nature.
We have evolved. They are not like the rest of us and they are not ENTITLED to live here with us. Predators are cowards. The only time they feel powerful is when they are hurting someone. The big question is how do we eradicate this disease? Does it really start with the mothers, in infancy? How can we change our society to not have these monsters living here?
LeeLee, thanks for sharing from your heart. All good points too, to remind ourselves that we never know who may be reading what we write, and try not to hurt anyone. We are, IMO all part of a whole circle so to speak, and if one part hurts, we all hurt.
J.me says:
August 11, 2012 at 12:25 pm
. . . The band members did submit this tip to VSP and it was discarded in similar fashion to the Norma Parsons tip.
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Does “discarded in similar fashion” mean they went door to door and interviewed multiple other potential witnesses and brought in dogs and were unable to verify it was her?
B says: “For me, until it has been vetted, this is not a tip that progresses this case. Not saying it never will, but we are into almost the 3rd anniversary of Morgan’s murder and the obvious question would be why does anyone feel this is credible to be Morgan? ”
I know what you mean B but we often discuss alot of “possibilities” here…I happen to believe that this is a scenario that makes alot of sense. Here’s why… After hearing this tip I walked the possible paths of travel from JPJA/Massie Rd/U-Hall area …to University Circle/Frat house (site of the “frat sighting”)…to where the shirt was found two blocks away. The tip in question makes total sense in terms of the (yes “rumored”) sightings in between those points. If I were Morgan that night, I could see myself doing this path, had I decided to not sit outside the arena and wait. Morgan was in Charlottesville to have fun. There was much fun and socializing to be had that night on this campus that was familiar to her. Any social college-age girl from within two hours of UVA would know people and feel comfortable there. None of these points of interest would be considered a “bad, unsafe area”. Its a relatively short walk (ten minutes).
If you look at a map and were to draw a straight line from the JPJ arena area to where her shirt was found, it would go straight through the Econo-Lodge and University Circle. This could give credibility to the Massie Road tip where someone saw her “walking with three men dressed in black” and the Econo-Lodge tip.
In conclusion, Morgan could have done what hundreds of girls do there every weekend. The only difference is just “one lurking danger” that had inserted himself into their environment. Girls need to be careful everywhere. The creeps don’t wait for them to come to their neighborhood. They pose as the average guy right there in our “safe little corner of the world”.
Agreed it is worthy of priority vetting J.me-
My sources tell me VSP was given this info by Cville PD early, but to my knowledge, dismissed quickly.
B
Redly
Your question is a good one. We don’t know why both tips were discounted. Norma Parsons is an artist. Most artists are very visual and notice things that others do not. If I see your face in a picture and then think back to a situation where you were present, I can clearly determine if it was you or someone else.
Morgan was a beautiful young woman who would not go unnoticed wherever she was. Musicians often look at their audience while they are playing to see how the music is being recieved. They see people and remember their appearance and what their actions were. This I know from experience.
Blink and I apparently disagree about the similar behavior of the administration at UVA and PSU, but the many cases of rape and assault swept under the rug at UVA during the Casteen administration is what I am refering to in the comparison.
All school administrations have to dismiss the idea that young women invite behavior that leads to assault and rape. Women are individuals with every right to where they go, how they dress and how they behave. They are not the property of anyone. Men have to be taught to respect women’s choices.
ATG we do not disagree as to the cover ups, I concur, I was speaking to the nature of the the offenses and prolific “net” that was the Second Mile. Sorry if I was ambiguous.
B
I probably wont get a response but I will try-
Jme-
Hi, you wrote :
Along those lines, I am surprised no one here yet is talking about the reemergence of a tip the public never knew about until it was posted on HFMDH facebook a couple of weeks ago by the friend of a member of a band that played at a fraternity on University Circle the night of October 17, 2009. More than one band member claimed to have seen her at this fraternity while they were playing, and again in the same vicinity after they packed up at 3 am.
–Jme- not everyone here reads HFMDH-
Many of us therefore are/were unaware of this tip until you brought it to our attention.
Its sad, and Im certainly not speaking to you nor to anyone in particular-but IMO sometimes new info does not get shared it gets hoarded- its almost as if there are those who wish to play Clue with this case so they want to hold all the cards close to their chests and they want to make sure only their “team” has the “inside” info …harsh? Maybe but sometimes this is what it seems like I am sure everyone can recall the camps / divide between different forums and posters etc.
In truth none of us are going to be the ones to solve this case but we all want to help and none of us are any better or worse than the next helpful poster
Sadly I think a lot of this stuff has not helped Morgan or her case one bit- I mean just look at the Hooks comment section- it always inevitably gets shut down due to hatred and those who claim to have Inside info hoarding over those who dont etc…
You went on to write:
(And I am glad to say that so far no one has had the urge to suspect these guys…they seem very decent. The kind of band that plays at Relay for Life etc.)
—Jme, JFTR, this is not entirely the case as some on Topix where you and others also mentioned this tip are questioning the info and in doing so have went so far as to inquire if these were the last people to see Morgan and if so that seems to lead them to have potential concerns (the last person thought to see a missing murdered girl- rightly or wrongly would face concern…this is why I think some may not come forward= as they do not want to be put in that spotlight)
You went on to write:
The band members did submit this tip to VSP and it was discarded in similar fashion to the Norma Parsons tip.
Jme- here I have to agree with Redly the Norma Parsons tip was never discarded- it was followed up more than once with dogs…in fact it still hasnt been discarded “it may come into play later”
NP brings to mind what did this band’s tip consist of?? was Morgan seen wearing a jacket – was she in tights/leggings was she alone was she in distinctive high heel boots …What made these band members think they saw Morgan? Did they see her Pantera shirt her bloody scraped chin? Did she have a purse at that time?
You wrote:
Perhaps others at this function turned in tips as well… I don’t know what made LE decide it wasn’t worthwhile but if you look on a map at the points of various sightings, including this one and the Econo-Lodge tip, they form a straight line from the arena area to the place her shirt was found.
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- Interesting and I agree it needs to be looked at-
But what makes you think LE did not think this tip was worthwhile? and exactly when and to whom was this tip given? Which # was called? Are you sure it was VSP which # Was it? maybe Rader and Gellars Email or if given in the first days maybe UVAPD- CPD, Crimestppers,?????
Jme- remember in the beginning and for a long while there were many agencies and many #’s etx etc IIRD there was no central * Heck Rader in the conference was reluctant to give any and then gave many including his cell phone # stating (pp)I check it periodically throughout the day and night so feel free to leave a message…Which, all this might have played a huge part in many tips being mismanaged or lost or overlooked…
So I agree with you and others lets hope all one time possible tipsters call in their tips again- and lets get some fresh perspectives in there too.
You wrote:
The only reason that I mention this sighting here is a) it has already been made public and b) perhaps someone reading it might know another piece to the puzzle that, along with this, would complete the scenario and help LE. The FBI is now aware of this tip. Whether anything comes of it is anyone’s guess.
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- Your reasoning is sound Jme thanks-
but if I may point out- you only “mentioned” this potential sighting, you have not posted it- in a sense you are filtering it.. – therefore we dont exactly know what the tip was-
When did the band members call in- did they leave a message did they leave the whole tip or did they say we think we saw her at a frat party call us for the details who specifically did they talk to?
Without knowing the tip we can not weigh it for ourselves and come to our own conclusions as to whether or not LE discarded it with malice or not etc
So could you or someone perhaps another helpful HFDMH reader please post the tip in its entirety- as again many of us never read it- which makes me think many potential witnesses may have missed it also- and it should be no problem as you said it has already been made public
Thanks
AJMO
Peace
Thanks for clarifying your position Blink. The cover up is the same, but I will agree that the acts that the cover ups at PSU were much worse than those of UVA because they involved so many more people.
Time magazine’s new listing of top party schools has placed PSU as number two in their annual party school list. This ranking is based on the number of reported incidents of drugs and alcohol related to the school population.
However, if we really think about it, how many young women were affected over the years by the bad acts at UVA. There is some evidence that more than twenty were affected. And of course it wasn’t necessarily the administration, but the coaching staff and the teammates that created the environment for the death of Yeardley Love.
Too many. Is that stat unique? No. Much work to be done.
I am not ok with a virtual educational crapshoot for my daughter or son.
B
I may be mistaken but I don’t think the Norma Parson’s sighting has been discounted by LE. I’m pretty sure Rader said it may come into play later on. I know Blink doesn’t believe Norma saw Morgan and I know she knows more than I do but just based on what I’ve read it has not been discarded, just not corroborated.
We discussed long ago and at numerous times the possibility of Morgan going to a party after leaving the JPJA area. It was pretty much discounted (by us) from what I remember because of the lack of anyone coming forward to say they’d seen her. But…apparently some people did say they’d seen her.
I know we are all so frustrated since still are lacking the news of an arrest of one or more people & we are approaching the 3 yrs anniversary. The post J.me mentioned that was posted on HFMDH by the friend of a band member who played the night of the concert at a frat on Univ Circle gave hope , but also bewilderment. The band member had called in a tip of seeing Morgan that night & nothing more was heard about it , or it was not viewed as important. Later I read that not just one band member , but his bandmates as well. The 1 person saw her while playing & also after they packed up their gear & were about to leave closer to 3am .Do not know when the other bandmates spotted her. Since we have made little progress in the way of sightings of Morgan after the last bridge sighting I was very glad to know that 1 person had been frustrated enough to mention the tip of a possible sighting to have this tip re-visited hoping that the FBI will talk to all the band members who think they saw her at the frat venue. I believe that VSP when vetting tips will say that “there are inconsistencies” with the sightings . Fine details are important , but I think we all know that 2 people may view the same information through 2 different sets of eyes differently . Sort of like the leggings vs. footed tights confusion. I pray they go back & speak to all who may know something . VSP may have been given inconsistent reports by CPD … who knows?
My dearest AB Mom- I would only add that the individual (s) suggests they believe they observed a female matching Morgan’s published description. They have not offered anything that would make this a verified sighting or tip to date. That does not mean it is inaccurrate, it means it is partial at best. I say this in support of further investigation if appropriate, either way.
I have personally interviewed people privately that believe they saw Morgan, to have to tell them it was not possible, based on verified events, and obviously known facts.
B
Mom3.0 I tracked down the tip. Well actually not the original tip but the discussion Jamie had with the person who posted the tip. He wasn’t a member of the band but a friend. I changed the name of the poster to just his Initials. I’m not posting the link because it was clear who J.Me was and she may not want her full name and face floating available for all to see. Here it is:
AL: Thanks for your efforts on this, Jamie. I just spoke to my friend Stacy, who gave me an update on his (and his fellow Southpaw band members) recollections from that night, which I’ve shared with Dan. Long story short: they think they may have seen Morgan both at their show and later (around 3am) in the vicinity of 1 University Circle as they were leaving after having packed their instruments and equipment.
I went into stalker umm I mean sleuther mode for pertinent info. The address 1 University Circle belongs to the Phi Society of UVA. It was originally Phi Delta Theta until 2000 when the national chapter officially became a dry fraternity. Instead of going dry the UVA members changed the name according to their official site so they could have “a fraternity with the same alumni, history, and traditions, but a unique set of ideals.” in other words they weren’t giving up their alcohol. This band played for this frat on multiple occasions. They Look to be in their late 30′s or early 40′s and play classic rock and southern rock. I’ve looked up photo albums on MySpace and Facebook and there are none for 2009/2010. The albums are all from 2008, 2011,and 2012. All their events are posted on their timeline except for 2009. For those unfamiliar with Facebook that has to be deliberately done by the administrator of the page. That makes me wonder if the police did investigate the tip and asked for that information to be removed. I also went to the bands official site and yet again no picture from 09 or 10. However I did manually go back on their event calendar and there was a frat party scheduled for 10pm to 2 am on October 17 th 2009. I must say Morgan’s clothes would have made her stick out like a sore thumb at a frat party. I’m close to her age and have dated way too many frat boys;if the UVA Greek scene is similar to the scenes at UNC and Duke then her attire wouldnt have fit in. What I’m trying to say is she was so gorgeous and “shiny” she certainly would have been let into the party but if a guy version of Morgan tried to go inside he wouldn’t make it past the door and would be relegated to partying on the lawn. Morgan’s beauty, prescence, and clothing would have definitely be noticed by the band so maybe this is a legitimate siting. Luckily we at least know Morgan’s dad was informed so hopefully this will be investigated if it hasn’t already.
Excellent research Leelee- thanks.
Leelee….yes, and very good work.
Oh, and Mom3.0, I agree with you about the different camps. I hope you know that I have no “camp” and have worked against that mentality all along. I just assumed that the HFMDH fb site was a regular with most…perhaps that is not true. But it is true that I did not want to be the one to repeat all the exact names of people involved. Leelee did a good job of clarifying and I appreciate it.
My main interest was to say that several people had submitted a tip early on that they felt they had seen Morgan twice later that evening, and my hope was to spur others on to spread the word so that any other sightings in that vicinity might be re-submitted and reviewed. I feel the FBI presence might be a big help now.
As far as Topix, my post here was prior to my knowledge of any specific comments there about the band members. My intent there was the same….to generate discussion and spread the word that if anyone had seen her after the 9:30 time frame, to please re-submit the information to the FBI.
From my view, this tip early on was not made public to anyone, including the Harrringtons. In contrast, the Norma Parsons tip was known by many. But at this point it seems that both have been somewhat supressed and, to an extent, avoided by LE. I apologize for using the word discarded. I suppose I meant “excluded from the timeline and excluded from official discussion with the public”. Again, that is “from my view”. JMHO. In any case, it is being discussed and that is a good thing.
atg-what you are saying ,imo ,is why the civil lawsuit must progress, its not just about monetary punishment, its about sorting out the truth ,in a mileiu where it is known that university crime comes with cover-up.its a double check up,and necessary ,and couldnt be a better case to explore the problems. le ,imo ,should want it. privacy issues,kid gloves, uva power,and jurisdiction,are what i suspect hampered this investigation.campus police dont go out to the hood and apprehend suspects.what is the protocol timeline for a case to be turned over to cold case.
this tip about the frat party ,answers a question ,i was ,about to ask. if the purse was returned ,the students of uva should be pissed that a murderer has free reign of their parking lots at all hours.and that he could be causing havoc on their campus and le is not letting on that this person returned to their haven after having murdered someone, and ,you have no cameras that would lead to any evideniary facts for a succesful arrest or prosecution. or le better buffer up that timelime. as a student ,i would not want to find out that that le did not ask students/public if they saw a suspious vehicle around the rv lot in the hours upon his return . a vehicle description, and le is off and running. my question was ,if this person is intimate with rv lot or uval where’s the honor code ? i’d love katie curic to plead her fellow uva future alumni , to not forget the honor code,and spit this guy out(i saw the you tube where she shows off her former Lawn, apt. but then i thought maybe most of the tips that came in, were uva students. and so there is this tip.hmm, first way to vet this tip , is where did morgan ask the bb players for a ride to/ where was she asking to go ? the bbplayers are free to talk to the press and still havent , if they are free to discuss their interview ,that they gave to le ,with the public. then i assigned the logic ,that le is free to discuss the material in those interviews, with the public.i hoping for an october, 4 year anniversary ,recap ,with new details,and a morgan holigram on the bridge .
Lee Lee, I really really appreciate you finding and posting that info, thank you for posting your research also.
I agree the absence of any photos etc from 2009 makes one hope that LE did look at it etc-
There are again only certain things that are now gone from the web- such as: grannys possible sighting video- Dees cafeteria interview- and ofcourse the December 30th LE briefing which specifically mentions physical evidence such as shirt/blood (BTW thanks Eloise, for returning to let me no you were also unable to find it)….
Im sure there are other articles and more that are gone- Obviously I dont know if any of it was due to LEs directives- but it does makes me wonder.
Lee Lee it seems that the reemergence of the tip was absent any real specifics other than general time and place..nothing specific on Why the band members thought the female audience member was Morgan- nothing on her attire or injuries or any purse phone etc….No mention of if she was alone or seemed to be with anyone…and nothing on her demeanor either…
I still wonder when they called in the tip and to who …Blink says CPD turned it over to VSP “early” which makes me wonder when they received it & what exactly “early” means and it makes me wonder if CPD was the initial holders of the tip or if it was sent to them “early” by UVAPD and I wonder exactly what info was given initially. Blink also stated that to her knowledge it was “dismissed” quickly…
That makes me question what info EXACTLY was given by CPD- did VSP even recontact the band members? What would make them “dismiss” the tip quickly?
Another coincidence is that it was CPD that was also called IRT the shirt find- and again VSP was called in after the “recovery”- and we all recall that the shirt which turned out to be Morgans, VSP and Geller at first seemed to “dismiss” it quickly as such..
So could it be that this tip wasnt dismissed only downplayed for case sensitive reasons? IDK but remember even during the Disappeared show VSP still downplays IMO the shirt saying PP its easy to get caught up in the shirt… almost making it seem as if they still think it could be some kind of a red herring a plant to through LE off- not saying it isnt Morgans, but more like saying- we cant trust the whys of the shirt…
CPD, UVAPD, VSP so many # so much confusion and it seems even though they may have been working together they all worked separately…. Honestly who was heading up this investigation? Who was in charge and shouldnt all tips and potential tips and possible evidence be handled immediately by the agency in charge…
Certainly by November there should have been a clear set of understood protocols in place- to ensure that the agency in charge and only their head det etc were handling all aspects of this case- certainly handling all witness interviews and potential evidence recovery etc.
Lee Lee your talk about frat parties and acceptable dress…well if your right then that could certainly explain why Morgan may have borrowed a jacket..to gain entrance to the party to cover her Pantera shirt and it could even explain why she would remove here leggings and opt for just the mini and the boots converted then to below her knee or knee high…and yes this could also explain why her shirt was found in that general area..and yes it could also explain NP sighting.
BUT IMO just because it seems to fit does not mean it is the missing piece- we just cant know if this tip is correct and it was Morgan too many look alikes
Again we need to know more about the tip the when and who and what was said- details are important. and we need to know why VSP seems to have “dismissed it quickly”
Was it because it was easily disproved? Possibly
I am just as concerned as you all that there seems to have been an agenda of sorts to have Morgan off UVA grounds -
Did she HH off the bridge was that the last place she was seen IDK but LE are confident she did and it was…
So either they are correct or they are doggedly holding onto that stance regardless of any tip or info
if so -this may not have been done intentionally but it may have been the subconscious driving force of the investigation from the get go-
Rader seemed reluctant to name UVA and he seemed to downplay the whole university angle of her missing from the grounds even early on… and in the first conference he seemed almost reluctant to name it a missing persons investigation and seemed to be banking on the possibility that Morgan walked off JMO he was sure to let everyone know Morgan was from VTech…the whole there are no signs of foul play…yet they had a missing 20 year old girl who did not have contact with any friend or family member and did not have her cell or id or anything- and the phone was found sans battery-along with her purse and contents being haphazardly discarded… and all the rest
Like I said LES own fears and biases may have inadvertently worked their way into the process of questioning witnesses and determining which tip was credible and which was not…
I have no doubt LE Rader and Cappuzo and all have each worked tirelessly on Morgans case and all have done their best- and I thank them
at the same time I do I agree with you and TGF and JMe and all who think there should be a fresh set of eyes to begin again looking over this cold case revisiting all old tips etc.
Hopefully that is what is happening with this new campaign.
Thanks again Lee Lee-
AJMO
Peace