Morgan Harrington Murder: FBI, Metallica and Virginia State Police Ask You To Help Them Find Her Killer
Morgan Harrington disappeared from the John Paul Jones arena on October 17, 2009. Morgan’s remains were located and recovered the morning of January 26, 2010 on the Anchorage Farm in Charlottesville, VA.
Reported exclusively on www.blinkoncrime.com, Morgan’s alleged attacker was tied via DNA to a sexual assault in Fairfax, VA in September 2005.
With the help of a multi media campaign, the FBI, Virginia State Police and Fairfax Police are asking for the publics help to catch her killer.
Revised Sketch of Harrington Suspect
Metallica offered this public service announcement:
Metallica Statement On Harrington Case
FBI Press Release:
Authorities Launch Multimedia Campaign in Morgan Harrington Murder Case
Murder Suspect Linked by DNA to Sexual Assault in Fairfax City, Virginia
| FBI Washington June 13, 2012 |
Today, federal, state, and local law enforcement launched a multimedia campaign that includes two enhanced composite sketches of a suspect in the 2009 murder of Virginia Tech student Morgan Harrington. The unknown murder suspect is also connected by DNA to a 2005 sexual assault in Fairfax City, Virginia.
Authorities recently enhanced the composite sketch created in 2005 from a description by the sexual assault victim. One of the composites shows the suspect with facial hair, as the suspect was described at the time of the attack. The second composite sketch features him without facial hair.
The two attacks were connected through DNA after a forensic profile was submitted by the Virginia Department of Forensic Science to the FBI’s national DNA database. The search found that the suspect in the Harrington murder investigation matched the DNA profile of the attacker in Fairfax City.
The multimedia campaign includes a public service announcement by Metallica lead guitarist James Hetfield appealing to the public to come forward with information concerning the Morgan Harrington investigation. The composite sketches of the suspect are being featured on bus shelters in Washington, D.C., as well as on digital billboards in Richmond, Virginia; Roanoke, Virginia; Washington, D.C.; and in 23 other states along the East Coast. Social media outreach and alerts via Facebook, Twitter, and YouTube, along with a website dedicated to the Harrington case were also launched Wednesday. Podcasts are now available on iTunes, and radio spots are airing to further raise awareness of the ongoing investigation. The multi-pronged effort is designed to develop new leads and renew the public’s attention in the attacks. The campaign implements techniques similar to those that have led to the arrests of the East Coast Rapist as well as Ten Most Wanted fugitive James “Whitey” Bulger.
The Jefferson Area Crime Stoppers is offering a $100,000 reward for information leading to the arrest and conviction of the person or persons responsible for Morgan Harrington’s murder. In addition, the band Metallica is adding $50,000 to the reward, for a total of $150,000.
Morgan Harrington Murder
On the evening of Saturday, October 17, 2009, Harrington attended a Metallica concert at John Paul Jones Arena on the University of Virginia (UVA) campus in Charlottesville, Va. At approximately 8:30 p.m., she left the arena and was unable to re-enter the facility. She was last seen hitchhiking for a ride from passing traffic.
Harrington was dressed that night in a black T-shirt with the word “Pantera” spelled out in tan letters and was wearing a distinctive Swarovski crystal necklace made of large crystal chain links, which investigators have yet to recover. Harrington’s “Pantera” T-shirt was found on November 11, 2009, in front of a row of apartments along 15th Street, NW near Grady Avenue in Charlottesville. Harrington’s skeletal remains were later discovered on January 26, 2010, in a remote field on an Albemarle County, Virginia farm along Route 29. A camera that Harrington had in her possession that night has never been recovered.
Sexual Assault in Fairfax City, Virginia
On the evening of Saturday, September 24, 2005, a 26-year-old victim was walking home from the Giant Food Store located on the 3700 block of Jermantown Road in Fairfax City, Virginia. The suspect grabbed the victim from behind as she walked down Rock Garden Drive toward her residence. He then carried the victim to a grassy area behind a maintenance shed, where he sexually assaulted her. The suspect was last seen running from the area.
The suspect is described as an African-American male with black hair and facial hair at the time of the attack. He is approximately 6’0” tall and was believed to be between the ages of 25 and 35 years old at the time of the attack.
The public is asked to review this information and consider whether they know someone who generally fits this description, who lived or had ties to the area around the times of the assaults, or who may have been known to spend considerable amounts of time in those areas.
People who know the suspect may not believe that he is capable of committing these crimes. He may not necessarily have a violent criminal history. Because investigators are in possession of DNA evidence that can either positively link the suspect to his crimes or exclude innocent parties, citizens should not hesitate to provide information, even if it is just the name of a potential suspect.
The following agencies are cooperating in the investigation of these crimes: the Virginia State Police, City of Fairfax Police, University of Virginia Police, Charlottesville Police, Albemarle County Police, Albemarle County Commonwealth’s Attorney, Virginia Tech Police Department, George Mason Police Department, and the FBI.
Law enforcement agencies are asking anyone with information to contact the FBI at 1-800-CALL-FBI (1-800-225-5324) or the Virginia State Police Tip line at 434-352-3467.
Press Contacts:
Virginia State Police
(804) 263-5547
City of Fairfax Police Department
(703) 273-2889
FBI Richmond Field Office
(804) 261-1044
FBI Washington Field Office
(202) 278-3519
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deetee
The person that tore up the ticket is high on my list of suspects if it was a male. How did you reach the conclusion that there were no pieces of the ticket remaining in the purse when it was found?
We also have the altercation with the guy near the entrance. The police may have cleared him, but he was talking about waiting for some of his friends. What did he and his friends do later?
Morgan could not get in her car because the keys were not in her possession. This is a big mistake that a lot of people make. Everyone should have at least two keys that are on different keychains. If you have to leave the vehicle where there is valet parking, you still have a way to access your vehicle. I have carried two keys on different chains for most of my adult life. I learned the hard way by locking my keys inside.
A Texas Grandfather, I believe it was Blink herself that reported that the ticket has not been recovered.
dt
has not, correct.
B
Trying to refresh my memory regarding the Father & Daughter sighting.
Please tell me if I am remembering this sequence correctly.
The Father dropped the Daughter off at her dorm
Left, drove to the EZ Mart
his receipt in the EZ Mart was likely used as a time stamp
He leaves EZ Mart.
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QUESTIONS:
They saw Morgan hitchhiking on the bridge as they were both in the car driving to the dorm.
The father saw Morgan as he drove to the EZ Mart
He did NOT see Morgan when he exited and drove away from the EZ Mart.
Is that correct?
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If so, do we know if either of them made eye contact with Morgan?
Did they get a good look at her face?
If I saw a girl hitchhiking like that and her face was visible…I would definitely (unconsciously) look at their face their expression.
It’s a long shot, but you can tell alot about someone’s state of mind by their facial expressions.
I also, wonder if they noticed her stumbling or walking like a completely clear headed person.
Any thoughts?
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One other unrelated question:
Do we know if there are any billboards or advertisements in the Fairfax area…possibly to job potential witnesses there?
I think that would be as crucial as having it in Charlotteville.
Hope all is well Blinkers.
B- still praying for you and your fam.
: )
Thank you Pep
B
sorry for typo above…meant to say *jog
Blink do you think Granny witnessed Morgan’s abduction?
no.
B
A Texas Grandfather, I believe it was Blink herself that reported that the ticket has not been recovered.
has not, correct.
B
I am sure Morgan would have kept her ticket. Who took the ticket from her? I wonder if she tried to reenter immediately after leaving. The one staff person said he/she warned Morgan about not being able to re enter and said she left anyway. I wish we knew more about these events. If it was a mistake that she wound up outside….what happened to her ticket?
tango I mentioned the altercation with the guy in the lot because there is the possibility that he could have interacted with Morgan at a later time in the overflow lot at Lanigan field. The lighting there is even less than on the other lots.
In regards to the phone and the battery; I may be incorrect,but somewhere early in the case I believe that one of the girls in the group mentioned that the cover to the battery was constantly loose and it and the battery sometimes fell on the floor. If that is true, it is possible that Morgan dropped the phone and the case cover was visible while the battery may have fallen into a muddy depression and could not be seen.
Then these is the question of Morgan’s ability to see well at night. I have never seen a photo of her wearing glasses, but she may have used them or she could have worn contact lenses. Many people do not have good night vision.
I think it is important how she picked out her purse and how many she disregarded- it shows state of mind- etc- and just as its important to talk about the possible material as it relates to gaining prints or whether it was waterproof nylon or treated leather it is also important to know where the purse/contents was found along with/phone/shirt- it is important to know the condition of each- when recovered
and I would hope LE does know- because it all is a small detail that may lead them to figure out what happened and when- The jury is sure gonna want to know-
I was simply giving my viewpoint frankly it doesnt matter if we gained the insights as Rue Paul or as parents or grandparents or as fashionistas or joe smoes
IRT the purse straps possible info/theory–I dont think it was broken as police have said there were no signs of a struggle- a broken purse strap would be a sign- more so than a purse lying on the ground
The timeline- There is NO TIMELINE- police have admitted this point
They themselves realize that each witness each SUBJECTIVE time does not fit-
Even after thousands of hours of witness interviews police still are relying on the same “tentative” timeline they have always had-
Remember most of the witnesses had no watches-
The only SET times are the 8:48 SS call
The 9:00- 9:05 Kickee BK sightings
The 9:23 F/D door stamp
the 9:36 “objective” 7-11 receipt from father
BBP gone at or by 9:20
The 9:30 cell dead time (more on this later)
add to that the time estimates-
BK second sighting of same group of 5 around vehicle- 9:15
Curtsy duo AFTER BBP left – those who interacted ( the students left)
Cont Part 2
AJMO
AMBR
Part 2
JFTR
I am not throwing the timeline out I am trying to walk it- just as the jury will -I am trying to corroborate it-
The only way the timeline is possible- is if it is VERRRY tight- I agree
The 9:30 cell dead time as stated by Blink
Blink is the only one who stated the phone dead time is 9:30
Is it a solid fact?
Just for a minute think
It HAS been reported that in the beginning Blink called Gellar and verified all info- Gellar stated that this was helpful inorder to dispel rumors etc
Blink wrote about the BBP- police went into overdrive
Blink wrote about the Sheriffs suicide- police came forward and immediately made sure everyone knew there was no connection
Blink wrote about the connection to a previous rape- she got the case wrong and LE immediately came forward to state there was a connection but that it was to the FF case and released the Sketch
Blink confirmed DC noone denied it but he was never named publicly
Blink theorized Morgan was in a ravine or rut- Cappuzo during the walk thru- stood exactly on the spot that MH was found – unless the elements or animal predation moved her she wasnt in a raven or rut although the ground is very uneven-
Police have come forward to correct or improve on disinformation and speculation or when spoton may choose to remain silent “no comment”
They have had many press releases, and conferences and even tv shows
Not once have they ever tried to confirm or deny the dead time of the phone despite having said the battery probably fell out innocently— BTW that would mean it isnt case sensitive….
But they did have this to say during the walk thru- ***
“She has no coat, the weather is beginning to deteriorate. **She doesn’t have her phone,” ***
Cappuzzo said. “She’s in a vulnerable and compromised position. The logical conclusion is that she got in a vehicle somewhere on Copeley Road between the bridge and the intersection with Ivy Road.””
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In one of the early press releases Gellar did say they had reviewed all info on MH phone including texts-
LE KNOWS when the dead time happened -battery was removed by whatever means-
So if Blink is wrong about the deadtime- LE needs to set the record straight again-
if it isnt important to the timeline –meaning it happened before the encounter with a BG and can help to bolster their theory of HH then gone from bridge between father daughter passes …then LE should have no problem setting the record straight again….or if it would help to establish their non existent tight /tentative/ timeline and their speculation about Morgan dropping it there before HH or in between FD passes- ( which means Morgan would have had to double back… ) then why not come forward and set the record straight again- Why not reveal when the phone went dead- they have already released info which says it was part of the reason they think she was desperate enough to HH so why not release the time the battery was removed if it innocently fell out- or if it was before 9:30 to set Blink straight again
Is the info surrounding the phone case sensitive?
Lets take a look at what has been released in regards to the phone (pp)
MH called dad in the afternoon-
MH texted someone out of town theu know the nature of the texts
She received an 8:48 call from SS
MH dropped the phone
The back had a tendency to come off
The battery probably fell out
The phone was found near or with purse-
Back was found in lot-
She may have asked to borrow a phone
we have reviewed her phone
and so much more- TMK They havent ever said it may have been planted or discarded by the perp as he left the lots w Morgan-
They have said she may have had her purse with her on the bridge but it wasnt seen… they have said that it may have already been left behind by Morgan before she HH -
Its one or the other inord to establish the timeline the dead time is important- it should be able to bolster or negate the timeline on the bridge
Morgan was on the bridge BEFORE or BY 9:20- no later -
so was the phone dead at that time? It would have to be inorder for their timeline to work
They have said Morgan was on the bridge still at 9:30 and even after 9;36 objective timestamp-
So if they are saying Morgan left the purse and cell on the grassy area-herself then they know if their timeline works or not-
Was it before 9:20 or after 9:30
and if the deadtime was after 920 then Morgan couldnt have left it
and if it was after 9:30 Morgan couldnt have left it
PS Here is an earlier post with Blinks response-to underscore the point.
January 26, 2011 at 6:45 pm
I believe that the 2005 Fairfax victim was walking home from a Giant Food grocery store on Jermantown Road, my initial belief was that Sketch perhaps spotted the women around the vicinity of the store and followed her, waiting until she was isolated.
I still don’t believe Sketch picked Morgan up on he bridge, I feel she wandered down a bit towards the Food of All Nations and was attacked, or forcibly moved into a vehicle, I feel she was headed in the direction of the SunTrust ATM located in the direction of the store, or the Wachovia Bank also in the same direction. Perhaps the tree-shrouded area around the ATM was used as cover. I do feel Sketch had been following her for some time, waiting for her to be isolated.
Yes Yes Yes and then Yes.
Honestly people, I am never married to “being right”, it is not about that.
Your not going to find a “Behavioral consultant or specialist” who can merge the profile of the AF site and someone picking up a hitchhiker openly on the bridge.
He wanted the girl he picked, him stopping the car and taking a chance of rejection by her, at her most vulnerable, is not what he would ever do. He is a predator. Predator’s prey
He wanted her scared to death at the onset.
Something else to ponder.. LE KNOWS when Morgan’s phone’s battery was removed by whatever means- why not say that exactly??
AJMO
AMBR
Cont
So if they are saying Morgan left the purse and cell on the grassy area-herself and if they are saying the phone became inoperable due to Morgan dropping it- and the battery fell out innocently that would have to be before she went to the bridge right? because according to Cappuzzo its one of the reasons she HH
So why do they state Morgan may have still had her purse on the bridge and witnesses may not have seen it?
It was found with/near the cell
It must be already on the grass
So is the deadtime before 9:20 or isnt it?
Since they knew early on when the dead time was— why even entertain whether or not she had her purse on the bridge and why not state the deadtime inorder to better establish their timeline and theories?
AJMO
ANBR
http://www.nbcwashington.com/news/local/Morgan_Harrington_Murder_Mystery_Washington_DC-114604759.html
The walk thru-
according to this report Morgans purse was found on the grassy area- they show the area- And they report that part of the cell phone was found in the parking lot – they show the lot-
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http://www.roanoke.com/news/roanoke/wb/274992
The walk thru
according to this article
Cappuzzo says
Morgan joined a group of male students who were leaving the arena and heading toward their cars in a lot at Lannigan Field, a spot where UVa athletes often park. Morgan occasionally supported herself along the way by leaning against parked cars, he said. They soon reached the vicinity of Lannigan Field — where Morgan’s backpacklike purse, umbrella and cellphone were later found.
“She asked them for a ride, but, based on her behavior, they did not give her a ride,” he said.
None is a suspect, Cappuzzo said.
Morgan then walked to the nearby Copeley Road bridge and apparently began hitchhiking. Authorities believe a vehicle stopped and that Morgan probably entered willingly, he said.
In drizzling rain, she wore a black miniskirt, black tights, knee-high black boots with high heels and a black T-shirt with “Pantera” written on the front.
There are many interesting things in this report-
snipped:
The three women entered the arena and took their seats no mention of DC but that may mean that Capuzzo just wasnt mentioning him just like he didnt mention that the group of male students were BBP…
Capuzzo says Morgan described being barred
Cappuzzo said Morgan described being barred from the concert and then said, essentially, “Don’t worry about me. I’ll find a ride.”
This reporter did not mention CDuo- but we know from the Hook article they were mentioned…
then HH
“She has no coat, the weather is beginning to deteriorate. She doesn’t have her phone,” Cappuzzo said. “She’s in a vulnerable and compromised position. The logical conclusion is that she got in a vehicle somewhere on Copeley Road between the bridge and the intersection with Ivy Road.”
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Next we have this report
http://www.nbcwashington.com/news/local-beat/Morgan_Harrington_Murder_Mystery_Washington_DC-114604759.html
The key is identifying the person who offered her a ride-
Cap says-we KMOW that somebody offered her a ride but that person has not come forward
again if they KNOW someone offered her a ride then they have a witness who saw the car or saw the person- why dont they release the info?—and if the witness saw this why do they say they do not have her entering a vehicle etc?
The blood Hound
Snipped Hook article ** by me
A full 10 days after her disappearance, Cappuzzo says, a bloodhound was brought in to follow Morgan’s path. **The bloodhound, says Cappuzzo, followed the exact path the witnesses described– across Copeley Road and up the grassy slope into the RV lot.**
That’s where the two groups of male students converged, and although Harrington requested a ride from them– to where, Cappuzzo would not reveal– the students declined. Cappuzzo says the 14 men who saw her there have all been interviewed multiple times and their alibis have been thoroughly checked. “They had another event to attend that night,” says Cappuzzo.
**After the students departed, Morgan walked along the fence that separates the lot from the UVA track, according to Cappuzzo, who says her trail was picked up by the bloodhound, which stopped near a small line of portable toilets at the lot’s rear. **
Cappuzzo says two non-student witnesses driving down a road that leads from the baseball stadium to the RV lot reported seeing Morgan in that area– and recalled yet another unusual behavior for a young woman alone on a dark rainy night
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So either Curtsy duo saw Morgan after the BBP departure or it seems the blood hound picked up the trail/scent there despite it having occurred beforehand- meaning the dog was wrong and it says picks the trial up as if it lost Morgans scent for a period of time…
and if Cduo encountered MH after the BBP departed all in separate vehicles and AFTER she had made her way to the Potties where the BH stopped- then How is it possible for MH to be on that bridge in time for F/D to see her? Remember MH wasnt desperate yet- she didnt flag them down… She hasnt curtsied yet- Cduo havent left the area yet…
She hasnt made her way to the bridge yet….
And if she wasnt desperate while CDuo were there- then she must have not lost the battery to her phone yet—otherwise wouldnt she flag them down? as she was desperate cuz she didnt have her phone- thats one of the reasons she HH… according to cappuzo-
Here purse is on the grassy area so is her phone so when did the battery fall out? and when did Morgan leave it there according to capuzzo- she may have still had her purse on the bridge again how is that possible?
She had to leave it before the bathroom walk otherwise the Cduo encounter couldnt have taken place in the alotted time- and if there are witnesses who saw MH walking against the fence prior to the CDuo/potties…then someone must have seen her leave behind her belongings …. and by the way why walk near the Ppotties if you dont have to use the facilities- that takes time- even to check them and decide against using them takes time…
The timeline is already tight…
So how is MH on that bridge in time for f/D to spot here in classic HH pose? Oh and lets not forget F/D were on their way toward the arena not away from it- so why would Morgan be rushing to the bridge suddenly desperate- after calmly curtsying? Why stand in the cold rain- HH seeking a ride back to the very same lot she was just in prior to being seen near the Potties?
AJMO
AMBR
correction
F/D second pass 7-11 objective timestamp is for 9:30 not 9:36 it was a minute or two after 9:30 that father made second pass and Morgan was gone-
Dr Pepper it wasn’t an EZ Mart it was a 7-11. Your question brought up a question of my own. The father and daughter saw Morgan before 9:23. After the father got gas he crossed the bridge again. Based upon the information in the He’s Still Here article I assumed he only crossed the bridge twice that night. Looking at the map it would appear that he dropped off the daughter, turned onto 29 then turned onto Ivy headed for the gas station. I’m now uncertain if the bridge was crossed twice or three times. I can’t find anything that says he went over going to drop off the daughter, crossed again going to the 7-11( which is now closed) then crossed a final time heading to his hotel. Does anyone else know?
mom3.0 thanks for that backlog,i am still mulling it over. so the back was or wasnt on the phone,and how far apart were the phone and purse. the verbage of le,sounds like they are trying to protect the male encounters from becoming public suspects,a la ,duke, like i said privacy issues hampered the case. a potiental tipster,could analyze their tip away,with vague facts being paid forward.if her phone went dead at 9:20 ,it seems she is in the company of the bbp,who say they last saw her, texting alone in the lot.kid gloves?catch someone in a lie, already.
Hello,
Still reading and waiting here. My question is about the umbrella. Was it raining before the concert? Why would Morgan carry her umbrella into a Metallica concert? Was it actually her umbrella, or did someone give it to her. And if someone did give it to her, who?
Does anyone know the policy about bringing in umbrellas into the arena? Would they have let her bring the umbrella with her inside? If not, then I doubt she’d still have it after exiting.
However, I keep picturing a long umbrella…not the small compactable one that could have fit inside her purse. But still…if it was just drizzling..I would question her actually deciding to take it with her inside. jmo
Leelee- do you have a link to the “he’s still here” article or the one that outlines the timeline given during the walk through? Courtney Stuart wrote the one that we all read, correct?
I did not know the ticket had never been recovered. I always had it in my head that when Morgan said the ticket was in pieces in the bottom of her purse, that she may have just been saying that out of frustration of not being let back in and maybe had lost her ticket.
I wonder if it has been confirmed that Morgan’s ticket really WAS torn into pieces. Maybe they witnessed it entering the arena together. If true and no ticket pieces were recovered that opens up 100 more possibilities. I’m already on overload from the information that is out there. Some confirmed, some not confirmed. Endless scenarios of what took place that night. It can make a person crazy and I can’t imagine being Gil and Dan. Not only losing Morgan but having no answers.
The answers are there. I hope they come soon. I absolutely can’t stand it that this guy hasn’t been caught. Also wondering if someone would explain to me why they think there may be more than just Sketch involved when he attacked alone in the blitz rape of the other victim that lived? Is it solely on the location of Morgan’s body?
***”They, meaning maybe the friends witnessed her ticket being torn”
Mom3.0 said…
“The key is identifying the person who offered her a ride-
Cap says-we KMOW that somebody offered her a ride but that person has not come forward
again if they KNOW someone offered her a ride then they have a witness who saw the car or saw the person- why dont they release the info?—and if the witness saw this why do they say they do not have her entering a vehicle etc”
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Mom, I have asked this question here before too, with the exact same quote. How could Capuzzo say this UNLESS they had a witness to see someone offer her a ride. And if this witness saw the “offering”, then we have to assume they didn’t see her get in, because Capuzzo said police “assume” she got in a car. And why isn’t this “sighting of offering” in the timeline?….The answer is that it can only be coming from the father/daughter witnesses.Period.
Time to release just a little more info Virginia State Police
from mom.3
“I still don’t believe Sketch picked Morgan up on he bridge, I feel she wandered down a bit towards the Food of All Nations and was attacked, or forcibly moved into a vehicle, I feel she was headed in the direction of the SunTrust ATM located in the direction of the store, or the Wachovia Bank also in the same direction. Perhaps the tree-shrouded area around the ATM was used as cover. I do feel Sketch had been following her for some time, waiting for her to be isolated.”
you have some good and insightful theories mom. And, your research is and will be very helpful in solving this case. I am just responding to the above quote.
I do not think that Morgan made it all the way across Copeley bridge to Ivy and the intersection, that is to FOAN area or the banks. It is quite a walk actually and would have taken about 6 or 7 minutes. I think that she would have been spotted by somebody, especially the father who came back across the bridge after dropping off his daughter and didn’t note Morgan (9:36 i think I keep reading.
One scenario which I have mentioned before is that morgan was abducted by the end of the bridge closest to the JPA side (where her memorial is today). I’ve never learned what side she was on when she was spotted hh. Either side has some shrubbery and trees that the monster could have hidden in. He could have taken her down the slope leading off the end of the bridge on the sidewalk side and got her down to a darkened area. There is parking down there. Maybe he had his car there. He may have been familiar with the area because some sort of locals obviously hang out under the bridge (much graffiti, beer bottles, etc.) He could have got her into his vehicle at that point. I do believe that the monster had help btw.
This is just my input as a plausible theory. I guess it doesn’t square up with the statement that someone saw her asking for a ride and the conclusion that she willingly got into a vehicle.
keep up the good work – it will pay off eventually.
I concur, as you know. Thank you for your continued advocacy for Morgan.
B
Mike
That is exactly what I think happened.
Thanks for all your work Mom3.0. The time line has never worked for me. This is why I stated that an outside investigative team be brought in to go over the entire case and prove the time line.
I just don’t think these investigators looked at enough data and possibilities prior to deciding a way in which the crime happened and that track has lead them to an impass that they cannot overcome.
well mike ,john,now that is the simplist occam , and i think the timeline does work,and that would make the dog track work,if: he passes her on the bridge and makes a right pulls into foan and waits for her. your saying it works to the left,of copely ,as well,there is parking down there? — what it doesnt explain is how her phone and purse are still in the rv lot.i dont see sketch coming back unless he has to,and why hasnt someone recognized him?, was he maintenance crew ,does he hang with the homeless by the rr tracks,and he(they) came back and drank more beer ,and threw her purse and phone out ,for the mayhem of it,did he come back that night and hasnt been back since?===wasnt the phone found further back by the rr tracks , wasnt there footage of some worker showing where he found something back in a wooded area ,was that the phone ? the rr track area? cuz ,i could believe she left her purse in the rv lot ,or dropped her phone and couldnt find it in the dark(??maybe,not??)but not both. and i dont see why he needs help in that senario either , unless he just happens to have a buddy with him. this senario still doesnt mean jpja staff followed protocol ,and didnt contribute to the vulnerablity ,or wasnt fully secured at the perimeters.so why does he strike around 9:30, tenish ,saturday nights? olivia, do you ever see the homeless by the rr tracks.
Dr.Pepper here is the link
http://www.readthehook.com/88650/hes-still-here-and-other-revelations-harrington-case
SusanM the back was not on her phone it was found after she was reported missing in a location where she was witnessed dropping her phone. That info is also link I gave Dr.Pepper.
Also for the person who requested info about the umbrella issue here is what the JPJ Arena site says: Umbrellas are permitted in John Paul Jones Arena for most events. For certain events, a Guest Services representative may request that you leave your umbrella at the Guest Services Booth (sponsored by RMC Events) as you enter the building.
susanm-
No problem- thanks for reading
I dont know whether or not the phone back was on or not-
Unfortunately there are conflicting reports on that -
I wish I could say that Cappuzzo cleared up the conflicting info in the walk thru or that Rader or He did in the Disappeared show, but the truth is- they really didnt…. more later-
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Jme you did ask that same question, not long after the walkthru- and it is still as pertinent today as it was then- IMO
The truth is Cap may have been fudging the truth to scare someone into coming forward…or a different witness could have said that she overheard Morgan say she had been offered a ride…but that wouldnt quite work as then she couldnt have been HH…
unless 1 it was in the “playful” manner in which Blink theorized once upon a time-
or 2, which goes along with your thinking-the F/d or another HH witness stopped to offer her a ride and she declined saying she was waiting for someone who already offered her a ride…
LE whenever they are theorizing in this case say things like: we believe or we think or the logical conclusion is-
Here they said : we KNOW
Jme you asked: why wasnt this offering included in the timeline- IDK and IDK why the phone power off/battery gone isnt included either-
BUT it MAY have been included in LEs talk-
Just as Cappuzo said “Morgan didnt have her phone” perhaps he gave away some info on the “offering” in the walk thru.
LE never revealed MH interactions w/convos with all witnesses-
We have Kickee info from CS
We know she declined all offers of help-
we have tt account
We dont know what was said exactly or by whom or when other than kickee and ss call(convo not exact)
See here:
Snipped Hook
as the visiting father finished dinner with his daughter at a Charlottesville restaurant and the two returned to his car. As the father drove his daughter back to her dormitory around 9:20pm, their path took them past John Paul Jones Arena……
…..As the father and daughter traveled toward Ivy Road and over the railroad bridge, the ordinary ride suddenly took them past an unusual sight. A young woman, dressed all in black with long blond hair, was standing on the bridge with her thumb extended in the classic hitchhiking gesture…….
…..it was their witness testimony that permitted police to pinpoint the time Morgan was likely abducted.
The father, whose identity has not been revealed, dropped his daughter off at her dorm, Cappuzzo says, a few minutes after the bridge crossing. Her electronic key was logged at 9:23pm by her dorm’s security system…….
On his way back to his hotel, the father stopped at the 7-11 convenience store on Ivy Road, says Cappuzzo. There, another time-stamp— this one in the form of a register receipt— provided police with another objective time mark around 9:30pm. When the father left the 7-11 and returned over the bridge no more than a minute or two later, Cappuzzo says, he remembered the young woman standing with short sleeves and no umbrella in the chilly drizzle. She was gone.
Within approximately 10 minutes of those two bridge crossings, two other unrelated witnesses reported to police that they’d seen a blond woman hitchhiking there.
Investigator Cappuzzo says the witnesses in the three bridge sightings claim they didn’t see Harrington carrying a purse. That, he says, could be because the black purse had backpack-like straps, and if she’d been wearing it, it might not have been visible against her black Pantera t-shirt. It also could be because she’d already dropped it in the RV lot, where on the morning of Sunday, October 18, a member of the men’s lacrosse team discovered it near the fence and turned it in to a lost-and-found receptacle in U-Hall. Her back-less cell phone and an umbrella were among her items also recovered from that area
What if Lee lees right
snipped:
I assumed he only crossed the bridge twice that night. Looking at the map it would appear that he dropped off the daughter, turned onto 29 then turned onto Ivy headed for the gas station. I’m now uncertain if the bridge was crossed twice or three times. I can’t find anything that says he went over going to drop off the daughter, crossed again going to the 7-11( which is now closed) then crossed a final time heading to his hotel
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what if Father passed over the bridge 3 times?
Just because of the wording of the Hook article, we may have all assumed he only crossed twice-
It reads on his way back to his hotel the father stopped at the 7-11 convenience store on Ivy Road….There, another time-stamp— this one in the form of a register receipt— provided police with another objective time mark around 9:30pm. When the father left the 7-11 and returned over the bridge no more than a minute or two later, Cappuzzo says, he remembered the young woman standing with short sleeves and no umbrella in the chilly drizzle. She was gone.
Then we have this: Within approximately 10 minutes of those two bridge crossings, two other unrelated witnesses reported to police that they’d seen a blond woman hitchhiking there.
and this:
Investigator Cappuzzo says the witnesses in the three bridge sightings claim they didn’t see Harrington carrying a purse.
Could those “two bridge sightings ” mentioned be referencing The Fathers two passes sans daughter?
That would tend to make the whole Within approximately 10 minutes make more sense, wouldnt it?
Might work …then again, we have this- which at first glance seems to negate that theory:
Investigator Cappuzzo says the witnesses in the three bridge sightings claim they didn’t see Harrington carrying a purse
sightings not crossings…
Then we have:
two other unrelated witnesses reported to police that they’d seen a blond woman hitchhiking there
Well we have F/D
and MV-
who is the potential third?
and could they be the potential witness that offered a ride or saw an offer of a ride or just claimed to?
Just thinking not reporting
AJMO
AMBR
TGF-
thanks and I am worried about the same thing-
“I just don’t think these investigators looked at enough data and possibilities prior to deciding a way in which the crime happened and that track has lead them to an impass that they cannot overcome.”
Luke Hi- LE says the umbrella was hers –Parents not sure werent asked –the umbrella Blink said is a compact kind
-Mike – thank you very sincerely for your kind words- I truly appreciate them. But its not me- its all of us, not just on BOC but everywhere- who are all just trying to help.
BTW That post was not mine – somehow the name got left off I apologize Because that post snip you referenced was from CAT-
I am glad that you shared your thoughts though Mike and your theory sounds quite plausible.
I did not realize that:
either side has some shrubbery and trees that the monster could have hidden in. He could have taken her down the slope leading off the end of the bridge on the sidewalk side and got her down to a darkened area. There is parking down there. Maybe he had his car there. He may have been familiar with the area because some sort of locals obviously hang out under the bridge (much graffiti, beer bottles, etc.)
That is very interesting Mike as if the scent “drifted” to Foan could it not just as easily have wafted up the sides of the embackment/s?
Jme once theorized this too- so I take your guys word for the area- and thanks so much for sharing your local insights.
SO if BG was parked in the area you mention ..there possibly was no car stopped on the bridge to offer Morgan a ride.
You wrote:
I guess it doesn’t square up with the statement that someone saw her asking for a ride and the conclusion that she willingly got into a vehicle.
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Not so fast Mike – as it turns out this is another area that has conflicting reports out of Cappuzos own mouth-in the very same walkthru- in which he stated:
“We KNOW that somebody offered her a ride but that person has not come forward….”
and
“she got into a vehicle in Charlottesville, on Copeley Road and within a short period of time was brought here”
and
“She’s in a vulnerable and compromised position. The logical conclusion is that she got in a vehicle somewhere on Copeley Road between the bridge and the intersection with Ivy Road.”
Capuzzo then says
snipped post from Concerned Mom:
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Cappuzzo said “she got into a vehicle in Charlottesville, on Copeley Road and within a short period of time was brought here”
He then said “the person that allowed her to get into their car or who PUT her in their car”
One minute it seems as if they are certain she voluntarily got in someone’s car (whether it be HHing or thinking it was a taxi) and the next minute they are saying someone “put” her in the car. This confuses me. The two statements seem to contradict each other.
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So….Do they know or dont they know- and if they know then why contradict themselves with dueling scenarios?
TMK PUT is the opposite of WILLINGLY
The times in the timeline all overlap and everything seems to occur all at once -after Morgan reaches the RV lot-
They are certain BBP left and Cduo entered- they say the students left… those who interacted with her left…
No onerlap of people?
Also they never mentioned the coaches and the asst couches….
Were they there? it was a practice- were they the ones that were still in the area to see the fence walk and the cduo- or is it limo drivers or taxis-
I would think they all would be wearing watches so maybe not…someone was still around right?
Just thinking not reporting
AJMO
AMBR
ps
Blink
Thanks you too-
I’m a little confused. Are we discounting the Granny sighting now?
Susanm. there is the possibility that Morgan saw a car coming that she recognized, and HH…for example did she know MV? (this gesture could be along same vein as the “curtsy” IMO.
The ones who tracked Morgan may have been tracking her along the fence and attempted to subdue her there, but were foiled by Morgan who made one of them bleed. She could have dropped her belongings at this time, and ran for bridge. Someone should have witnessed this, UNLESS she “hid” as best she could on way back to bridge, to avoid capture. If this is close to what happened, then her necklace should have been in bushes by bridge. Do not need to give graphic details here of MOO. If LE did not find necklace, then someone else did, or it is still there (seems very unlikely). Seems the BBP witnessed CD, who were then questioned. Also, seems they said someone offered her a ride in the parking lot, but she turned them down. (if memory serves)
Tango, I think Granny may have seen Morgan in confrontation with another person, and LE is aware of this and has “cleared” same.
One thing that has always bothered me about the time line is the time reference on the reciept from the grocery/gas station by the father who took his daughter to her dorm. This time could be off several minutes.
Most convenience and grocery stores today have computer operated cash registers. These are either PC type or multi-processor type machines. The time of day clock has a very low priority for interrupts to update. These clocks can fall behind the actual time. Just check your time of day clock on your personal computer for several days and see how much time is lost.
By using the measuring tool on Google Earth, it is 290′ from the two portable toilets located at the Lannigan field fence line to the roadway. Then it is 670′ to the far side of Copley bridge. Morgan was 5’7″ tall and wearing high heeled boots. She would not have a natural stride of more than 24″. If she was slightly impaired from the fall or from other sources, I would think a rapid pace would be around 90 steps per minute maximum. At that rate, it would take her approx. five and one-half minutes to cover the distance. It would be longer if the pace was less.
If there had been an altercation in the RV parking lot, she would have been running and trying to get anyone’s attention while on the bridge. Maybe even running in the roadway. That should have attracted attention.
Based on what we know of the route she walked, it is approx. 3,000 feet. This would take about twenty minutes or more depending on how the conversations with the BBP and others added to the time.
No, Tango, we are not discounting the Granny sighting. It’s just that we have at least two strong possibilities:
1. Morgan was abducted directly off the end of the bridge BETWEEN 9:20 (when BBPlayers left the rv lot AND she was sighted on the bridge by Dad/Daughter) and 9:27 when Dad drove back over–as far as we know he went over and came back and that’s all. He did not see her when he returned.
OR
2. Morgan walked north off the bridge (possibly making a pit-stop back at the rv lot where she was sighted by the curtsy duo) and then northeast through the parking lots (U. Hall area) where Granny sighted her having a physical altercation with a young white man. He walked away from her and then came back. That sighting would have been after 9:20, Granny saw her at about 9:30, and the phone might have gone dead when she and the young man were arguing.
I continue to read here often but I have nothing much to contribute these days. Keep up the good work everybody!
Didn’t VSP have access to the technology to recreate positioning at a crime scene? I forget the name of the technology but I wonder what their results were.
LMAO-LE reports on what articles are written here? I don’t believe it..If that’s the case start writing all kinds of shit,so they drop more info.Mom I really don’t think that’s the case,There aren’t 100k’s of people who read this blog.
bp3- check your facts, you are incorrect.
B
Olivia-
Those are two strong possibilities though IMO not the only possibilities…and I agree I have not discounted the granny possible sighting nor any other possible sighting from that night-
The fact is we are not sure if/why Police believe Morgan got into a car willingly there and why if they do, they think she didnt get to the lawn or a frat party after
If they say PP at some point prior to her death Morgan Harrington came into contact with Sketch… arent they in essence leaving the door open to MH being alive later.. after they say she HH? I dont know- its all so confusing
why do they believe Morgan entered a vehicle willingly why is this the only LOGICAL conclusion?
Just because she was HH at one point doesnot mean she entered a vehicle… just because she is gone when the Father made his last pass- at app. ***9:32 pm***- does not mean she entered a vehicle just before that time- does it?
You know, why are they applying LOGIC to an illogical girl?
They have said over and over again how Morgan was (pp) out of sorts erratic -irrational-incoherent… add to that possibly inebriated stoned -possibly drugged … how does any of those descriptors gel with logical?
Next -if we were to apply logic than isnt it just as logical Morgan Harrington might have realized she didnt have her purse and cell and therefore returned to the lot or the PP to search for them? and isnt it just as logical that Morgan may have gave up on HH after being passed over by F/D and possibly at least two other drivers that night- and decided never mind- Ill return to the lot?
ps the reason I mentioned the 9:32 Fathers last pass is because you wrote it as 9:27-
but the snippet reads:
… a few minutes after the bridge crossing. Her electronic key was logged at 9:23pm by her dorm’s security system…….
On his way back to his hotel, the father stopped at the 7-11 convenience store on Ivy Road, says Cappuzzo. There, another time-stamp— this one in the form of a register receipt— provided police with another objective time mark around 9:30pm.
When the father left the 7-11 and ***returned over the bridge no more than a minute or two later,*** Cappuzzo says, he remembered the young woman standing with short sleeves and no umbrella in the chilly drizzle. She was gone.
–so he returned over the bridge after the objective timestamp of 9:30pm a minute or two later
See what I mean?
So if Im reading that right, father didnt see Morgan at 9:30 thats when he paid for his stuff- he wa back on the bridge after 9:30..
But your 9:27 pm comment could be true too:
I found this article about the walkthru that may shed more light on the HH witnesses-
It reads in part:
Several witnesses reported seeing her at the bridge about 9:25 p.m. After that, investigators think that she got a ride, a ride they think may have eventually led to her death.
http://www.wset.com/story/13904378/morgan-harringtons-parents-trace-last-steps
9:25? Well Daughters timestamp was for 9:23pm what if father backtracked his route..went right back over the bridge to the 7-11…wouldnt his second pass be close to 9:25? and that may be why police said that it was F/D passes that helped them establish when Morgan disappeared- because the last witness possibly MV saw her at 9:30 pm and then when father passed over after… she was gone
“When the father left the 7-11 and returned over the bridge no more than a minute or two later, Cappuzzo says, he remembered the young woman standing with short sleeves and no umbrella in the chilly drizzle. She was gone.”
Thinking Not reporting…
It is really a shame that we can not hear directly from LE -
There are so many reports and interpretations of the walk thru and all that was said- that I do believe if we could all get an unfiltered look at the footage of the walkthru- we would find Cappuzo was forthcoming and alot less contradictory in pertinent info than we are lead to believe through our trying to piece together his points as deemed by this reporter or that..
and I believe this to be true of the Disappeared show and Rader also-
I think it was edited in such a way that we may not be getting the complete picture or truth of what LE wanted to convey
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If we have learned anything from sharing our thoughts in written form here, it is this
It is quite easy to misinterpret or change the intent or meaning with the wrong choice of words
TGF- thanks for sharing that estimated time on Morgans path
AJMO
AMBR
I agree with this in general Mom3.0, but I don’t think it changes the basic fact that the VSP theory and alleged timeline are incongruent. Imo, many assumptions they have made and offered publicly mitigate the importance of the connection to sketch as a previous offender profile.
One compliment I will give Det Rader (r) and SA Cappuzzo is that throughout this investigation to date, they have been very accessible and open to running down leads from the private sector. The advent of online and social media contributing to lead generation was essentially a foreign concept to them in the beginning and to a degree they changed their way of thinking. VSP in particular has a very strict culture that imo does not serve mp and many homicide investigations. Given the amount of agencies involved initially and their independent mistakes this case should have been handed to the FBI as lead, imo.
Having been in a classroom recently full of LE studying only FBI assists and lead agency cases, my observation was that most LE are not given the training or tools that they need to work cases like this, which are complex, and in conjunction with the fact that they themselves have multiple cases at once, or do eventually if the instant case does not solve, I have no idea how they close most of them.
Is what it is, but I think it is a fair statement to make at this point that I will renew my support for a dedicated MP and Cold case specialty squad. I think I may have quoted to you once before that when beginning a new lecture topic when Roy Hazelwood opens with “And these are the guys we almost never catch.” My heart sank, and by the end I understood why.
B
Just a few comments based on the discussions above. I will skip directly addressing each poster since there since scrolling up and down on my iPad isn’t something I have mastered doing with ease and speed.
for the person who asked about the weather this link will show the weather patterns and precipitation on the night of the concert.
http://www.wunderground.com/history/airport/KCHO/2009/10/17/DailyHistory.html?req_city=Charlottesville&req_state=VA&req_statename=Virginia
With regards to LE saying Morgan was taken from the bridge I always assumed the certainty came from the path of the scent dogs. However now that I think about it seems odd that if the seeming certainity came from the dogs then wouldn’t they believe she was taking from FOAN instead? While scent drift could be blamed there would be no real reason to think Morgan did not make it that far unless there is an unknown piece of evidence Suggesting she didn’t leave that bridge willingly.
I also wonder why police dont think Morgan had her phone on the bridge? We know based on the f/ d sighting that Morgan was on the bridge before 9:23. So why didn’t she have her phone AND just what do they think happened to the phone she was no longer in possession of that caused it to stop working at 9:30? LE also suggested she may have tried to borrow a phone. Where do they think she did this? In the lot? On the bridge? If she didn’t have her phone at 9:30 then how do they think it ended up with her belongings in the RV lot?
Alexandra are you talking about the pinging of cell phones? If not ignore this. I believe pinging is only useful to track a person if their phone is on. You can track someone to a degree based upon which cell phone tower there service is coming from. On that night Morgans phone would be getting service from only one tower and therefore wouldn’t give a general idea to her whereabouts. Although once there is a suspect or person arrested then a search warrant could be used to access his cell phone records which would likely show him heading away from the JPJ arena towards the Anchorage Farm area depending upon cell phone tower locations.
Leelee- I have personally reviewed and discussed the canine results with one of the top industry professionals in the country as far as I am concerned. This was done with my commitment not to publish them or any specifics so that is all I can say in that regard. However, it should be noted that when Monica Caison of CUE was planning her team’s search, those results were not used whatsoever as any basis for reliable intel and it was ALSO her opinion upon review they were useless and I concur. Why they thought Morgan was following the band or on some bender when they knew what they knew at the time I have no idea, but 10 days later some of the US’s most sophisticated and trained canines would have trouble, and you would need at least 2 to compare results.
VSP knows the canine result they are basing any ancillary information on is unusable, this has always bothered me.
Correct on the errors in the timeline. You can’t surmise her phone goes because she dropped it and say she did not have it to drop at the same time. I wonder if the curtsey duo made mention of her purse as it seems to me it takes two hands to curtsey.
Thank you revising my cell phone battery cover info, much to remember in this case.
B
I was just reading this article and it says the Granny I cident occurred in the arena parking deck? Was the reporter mistaken or is this the reason LE seems to have ignored Granny?
http://www.readthehook.com/88650/hes-still-here-and-other-revelations-harrington-case
he couldve grabbed her phone out of her hand as she scrambled to diall 911, as he attacted her . grabbing the cell phone out of someones hand as they call for help is a common ,occurance,across the boards ,and escalates the violence.if he was parked in the back of foan and lobbed her phone,in a northerly direction ,would it land near its recovery spot?
Thanks all who addressed my question about the Granny sighting. Thank you Olivia I’m in agreement with you that those are the two strongest possibilities based on what we know to date and you did a great job of stating them clearly.
ATG, now I’m in confusion about your time stamp info. I thought computers, time clocks, cell phones, etc always had the same time – at least they do in my world. Now cameras on the other hand – I have one I bought at a yard sale and I have to manually update the time and date when I upload pictures otherwise it’s always 2002. I don’t understand that. I don’t know how cash registers would operate since they’re on computer systems too. I’ll have to start checking my grocery and convenience store receipts just to see.
Great convo everybody. Keep at it!
Um, speaking of time stamps, my above post which is still awaiting moderation, is shown as posted at 11:53 am when in fact it is 12:18 PM EST.
Is that on your end tango?
B
I was talking about the special camera technology. They take pictures of the whole area and the machine can calculate events from their positioning on a timeline…..Blink, did I get that right? What ever happened with that?
Was not in play at the time of Morgan’s recovery and it is really a scanner to map evidence for future modeling.
B
i shouldnt have said calculate…probably coaborate. I dont remember the name of the technology and maybe I didn’t understand what it could do…I am wondering if anyone else remembers.
Leelee
Cell towers have electronics that measure signal strength from a phone. The tower that is used to transmit and recieve conversations is the one with the strongest signal. Other towers that are near the phone may also be aware of the signal and would be ready to accept a hand-off of the phone signals. If there are enough nearby towers, it is possible to find the signal on others and by triangulation get reasonably close to the actual location of the phone. If the phone is dead because its battery is down or has been removed, no signal is sent to any tower.
In the same instance, a phone belonging to the perp or perps, if known to LE, would also leave a trail. This makes me question if LE made the effort to identify the cell phones of all they questioned and then used that information to track the possibility of that phone being in the vicinity of AF or North Garden.
I have not specifically looked for cell towers using Google Earth. The quality of photography available in Google was not that great during the time I spent looking over the area. With the recent upgrades, this has changed. Charlottsville still does not have ground views on most of the city as do larger cities. Google is still working on this.
I will spend some time looking for towers in the area.
Why does it take two hands to curtsey? Maybe it is done differently by the youth of today rather than what I learned.
One hand on each side of the skirt and a bent knee in front of the other, dip.
B
Hi, Mom3.0,
You’re right about Dad’s receipt time. I had read above in someone’s post that it was 9:26 (which seemed too early given his trip to the dorm and back) so I figured he was on the bridge at 9:27 but he probably was on the bridge around 9:32. So there’s a 12 minute window devoid of public witnesses to Morgan’s whereabouts (9:20-9:32). Unless (a) the Granny sighting at 9:30 is legit and/or (b) the curtsy duo actually saw her AFTER she was seen hitching on the bridge.
I should go over there and walk it to see how many minutes it would take to walk from the bridge to the PPs, curtsy, and then walk to where Granny might have seen her. I can’t quite figure out exactly where Granny was parked. I think it’s the NE side of U. Hall.
I don’t know why I have not been interested in the later frat party sightings. They may be legit. But why have they been discounted?
For what it’s worth: I do believe that many young, petite, long-haired blond women with heavy dark eye make-up and lipstick look a lot alike. Especially if they are dressed in black. Basically, they look very pretty in a certain way–does anybody remember that Robert Palmer video/song, “Addicted to Love”? Okay, remember the five women in that video–all tall, slim, heavily made-up with their hair pulled back. They looked so much alike! Which is just to say that all sightings of “Morgan” that night are suspect. I think Blink found Granny’s credible because of her mention of certain large earrings, which Morgan was apparently wearing that night.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XcATvu5f9vE
WHEN is this case going to heat up??!
Blink,
Can you recommend any books having to do with Roy Hazelwood’s line of work? I read mixed reviews regarding The Evil that Men Do and Dark Dreams. I’m willing to take those reviews with a grain of salt, but trust your opinion and would appreciate it if you could point me in the right direction of another book that may cover the subject well. Thank you.
CentVA-
My study of SA Hazelwood to date did not include his publicly published work, and was all lecture, lab and syllabus.
I should note his coursework is part of an FBI driven curriculum and not just “his”. I will review my reading list and let you know if it includes public work. I have read several of his colleagues and respected professionals offerings I enjoyed, but if your interest is more intellectual than basic I am not sure I can provide that.
B
Morgan waited 6 month’s for this concert,no? She also was very into music,no?The tix were magnetted to the fridge for roughly 6 month’s,no?From the time I’ve been around 20 (I started way to late in the game,bc I’ve seen some crazy hockey and football games during my high school years)I have saved my ticket stubs from concerts and sporting events.My plan is to make a huge collage once my bar is up in my finished basement.I’m more of a sports nut and have seen hundreds of games live.Morgan was an avid live show fan and I would assume has witnessed plenty of concerts.Judging from her posters and cd collection there is no doubt in my mind that she would cherish that tix stub.Especially if Morgan waited 6 month’s to see the greatest heavy metal band ever-although she was a little late bc 10yrs ago Metallica was incredible live as opposed to now;but it’s nobody’s fault when they were born.My point?If Morgan’s tix stub was in pieces in her purse I can’t see Morgan being the reason for that.Somebody waiting that long and being that excited-I believe her comment to the group from NJ who parked beside Morgan’s group in the parking lot about the opening band was “who cares we’re here to see Metallica right?- for an event wouldn’t damage a memento like a tix stub.I’m guessing nobody(in the public at least) know’s who’s at fault for the tearing of the stub?It’s also this excitement to see the legends that makes my brain hurt,bc why would she leave shortly before Metallica was to take the stage if she waited 6 months for the show?I know that’s the million dollar question.Was it for air?Was she concussed from the fall?Was she lured?Was she chased,spooked,or mad at her friends?All I know is this case literally hurts my brain and holds a place in my heart;regardless or not if I come off as a prick on this site when I comment from time to time.Pure frustration with the lack of info that has been released to the public
Mom3.0- the link that shows the harrington’s on AF and the grounds around JPJ was great.That’s one of the better links to actually seeing her night not on a map.Especially hearing Dino say “we know somebody gave her a ride that night”..So my question to you is.How do they know this?
Was not in play at the time of Morgan’s recovery and it is really a scanner to map evidence for future modeling.
B
I thought they said they would use it to recreate the events in the parking lot. I thougt I read Lt. Rader say this technology would be made available to him. I can’t find the link. Maybe I am remembering wrong..?
Anyway I wasn’t thinking about Morgan’s recovery site.
for Olivia -
Good idea, Olivia, actually going there and walking the distance. Perhaps you could take a video as well as you are walking. I don’t know how you would post it here, but youtube may work. That would get it to a lot of people. A ground level video would tell us a lot – you never know when somebody may make a significant observation no matter how seemingly slight.
Blink you wrote:
I agree with this in general Mom3.0, but I don’t think it changes the basic fact that the VSP theory and alleged timeline are incongruent. Imo, many assumptions they have made and offered publicly mitigate the importance of the connection to sketch as a previous offender profile.
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Yes Blink I agree with your add on-you are quite right-
Just to clarify, I was speaking IRT the walk thru and the Disappeared show-
The clips we have of Cappuzo from the WT are but small portions of what was shared/said and we do not have the full statements- and we do not have the full video to tell exactly where the purse was found the phone the back etc
Why not?
I believe many of our questions and concerns might be answered had we seen the WT in its entirety from beginning to end-
The info shared in the WT can not be case sensitive- as Cap- knowingly went before the cameras to share this information-
Yeah I think it was flawed from the get go because LE chose to invite only certain news organizations- that never made sense dont you want as much coverage as possible- and no I am not only talking about your disinvite-
but the fact there were so few organizations there- they may have never had to go before the Disappeared show cameras had they released the whole WT footage-
anyway- so many reports and each lacking in certain details or the quotes taken from the reports differ slightly perhaps with one word-
We are left to wonder if Cap said all these things- or if Reporters misquoted or if they got pertinent info wrong-
For instance
CS has the purse being found near the fence in the RV lot and her backless cell phone and umbrella being found in “that area”
Then from NBC video
they show a grassy area where her purse was found the clip shows no fence…
Then CS quotes Cap as saying:
…he declines to describe the amount or type of drinks imbibed. He also declines comment on any other substances she may have consumed “out of respect for her family.”
But Roanoke quotes him as saying:
“I can say that Morgan had been drinking alcohol that night, but I’m not going to say what degree of intoxication there was, in deference to the family and this investigation,” Cappuzzo said.
http://www.wusa9.com/news/
says this
The owner of Anchorage Farm discovered the remains in a ravine near a field.
Her cell phone was found in the street and her pocketbook in a parking lot. She was last seen hitchhiking on the Copley Road bridge.
CS had the curtsy encounter but Roanoke does not-
Were all these reporters at the same walk thru and if they were what other things did they choose to leave out or may have misquoted- or did they all get it right and Cap did say all those things…
We just cant know-
Ps
My heart sank too.
AJMO
AMBR
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