Kyron Horman Missing: Civil Suit Against Terri Horman DELAYED AND SEALED- Prompted By NEW LEADS
Portland, OR- As many of you have been following since June 2010, there is a new development today in the disappearance of Kyron Horman.
As predicted at BOC, the civil suit brought by Deisree Young, Kyron’s Mother, against Terri Horman, Kyron’s step-mother and the defacto suspect in his disappearance has been granted an abatement.
In a sealed filing, motions by Assistant District Attorney Michael Schrunk and Multnomah County Sheriff Dan Staton were granted, delaying the suit . The motions included supporting affidavits that continuing the action as already ruled would compromise the investigation.
The decision presents an ironic twist .
Terri Horman’s lawyers originally fought vehemently to abate the action, but were unsuccessful. As recently as last week, the Judge in the case ordered medical records to be accessible to both parties to the action.
In Judge Kantnor’s decision to NOT abate the suit at the request of Attorney Peter Bunch for Terri Horman, the Multnomah County Prosecutors Office declared “no position” on the matter after being contacted by the court.
It is not known if that order prompted the request to delay the suit .
Sheriff Stanton, Eldin Rosenthal, Norm Frink and Stephen Houze declined comment at press time.
On Monday, Judge Henry Kantor granted the motions to abate the civil proceeding and ordered the motions and affidavits filed by the district attorney and sheriff sealed.
A hearing had been scheduled for Dec. 14 to hear Young’s attorney argue before the court to compel testimony from DeDe Spicher, an alleged witness in the case. Today’s ruling is likely to render a postponement of that proceeding.
Sheriff Dan Staton, told Oregon Live, it is based on early leads that are now panning out:
“There are a couple of investigative pieces that are going to open up,” Staton told The Oregonian Tuesday. “Our belief is they’re going to open up several investigative doors.”
He said the new “investigative avenues” are based on information collected in the early phase of the investigation that are now yielding some results.
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12/17/2003 how Krafve handled a drug trafficker case
http://www.wweek.com/portland/article-2761-swimming_with_sharks.html
and his bio
http://www.zoominfo.com/people/Krafve_Keith_279358313.aspx
Rose – thanks for the laugh:
Rose says:
March 25, 2013 at 8:04 pm
i’m not Irish yet as the typos allude,
that’s “tho probably before” on Herron
I’ve been pretty good at translating your posts, but I sure was stuck at “tho orob begore”.
See 5/12/11 Interrogation – Day 2 at 5:33 by kppr
http://m.catlin.edu/taxonomy/term/388/all?page=18
On this date Mr Herron is a line level Deputy assigned to River Patrol
working under the supervision of Brett Elliott. He also is and
had been “a” SAR Coordinator. This student (high school?) describes
Herron orienting him to interview techniques. This was subsequent to
Herron interviewing a suspected burglar. In that case he went to the burgar’s (home?),
talked him into coming back to the Office with him to be interviewed (no Miranda warning),
and conducted the interview alone without a colleague witness.
@Grasshopper. does your source known when after 5/12/11 Deputy MH was made a Detective
& assigned to Kyron’s case.
@ budget researchers. After the Task Force concluded in mid-2011, is there any budget testimony or evidence
as to how many full & part-time Detectives were assigned to this investigation?
I am thinking the current case “investigators” are those working out of the DA’s Office (wasn’t one a retired PPB?). Their purpose imo would be to obtain evidence for grand jury presentation re the “focus” of the DA’s investigation.
oh, my — two days without my Blink-fix! Then suddenly it popped back on. I don’t have anything to contribute, just happy to remain in the loop. I was reading some other early stuff – Monkeys, et.al., and it looks like most of the wondering I’ve done has already been done by others, and several times.
Well, somewhere in all of this, we can only hope little Kyron will pop up. I just can’t imagine another summer with that little guy not out playing in the sunshine, happy as a lark.
Rose says:
March 27, 2013 at 11:42 am
I am thinking the current case “investigators” are those working out of the DA’s Office (wasn’t one a retired PPB?). Their purpose imo would be to obtain evidence for grand jury presentation re the “focus” of the DA’s investigation.
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Exactly. Kyron’s case is cold, they have nothing else to go on, but what they presented the GJ in the first place and they continue to try to make a case out of ???????. AMOO It’s disheartening, as I was really hoping they had something new, but I’m thinking not.
Maybe Kantor meant two months to reach his decision in the abatement, not two weeks, that would be next week. I hope something is allowed to go forward. Maybe doing so, will bring some sort of new information to light. Sigh.
Rose says:
March 27, 2013 at 11:42 am He also is and
had been “a” SAR Coordinator. This student (high school?) describes
Herron orienting him to interview techniques. This was subsequent to
Herron interviewing a suspected burglar. In that case he went to the burgar’s (home?),
i dont want to reopen a can of worms that has already been opened and stirred and cooked thoroughly, but this makes me remember the search dog fiasco and how the search dog guy that had found many other deceased victims and had several “points” was not permitted to help in this case because of a conflict with mcso. where i live several cases were horribly botched because of arrogance and lack of oversight in the local police, da’s, cps, etc. “wenatchee sex abuse scandel, witch hunts” i hope this case is not similar, and that if it is someone outside of the local jurisdiction will step in and see what is going on. even if teri horman is involved with the disappearance it would be awful if the case is botched by personalities ruining an investigation and then stepping into the civil cases to cya
http://www.katu.com/news/local/121985859.html?m=y&smobile=y
Sgt Krafve is “the lead detective” on the dissolving Task Force. 5/11
now supervises the Detectives Unit, which has 10 Detectives and includes subunits such as Human Trafficking & Cold Cases
http://www.mcso.us/public/detectives.htm
I doubt with this Admin work load he is personally “detecting” on Kyron’s case.
Ridiculously, Answering myself as to when Herron changed jobs.
Herron had been promoted from a River Patrol Deputy to a Detective in the Detectives Unit of Investigations by 08/12
http://www.koinlocal6.com/news/local/story/Body-found-floating-near-Steel-Bridge-IDed/CmUBHh5TGkyJHOJmA5wExg.cspx
@Rose
Catching up here. Are you trying to determine who shared the information with Kaine Horman? If so, I think we need to start here:
**Detectives with the Multnomah County Major Crimes Team** shared the landscaper’s account with Kyron’s father, Kaine Horman, last weekend, prompting him to leave the house June 26 with the couple’s 19-month-old daughter.
http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/07/landscaper_tells_police_terri.html
They are, I think, actually known also as the East Multnomah County Major Crimes Team:
Kyron Horman Press Conference
Tuesday, July 27, 2010, 2:00 P.M.
The Multnomah County Sheriff’s Office continues to be the lead agency as we continue our partnership with the **East** Multnomah County Major Crimes Team.
This team was created in 1996 and has over a 90% successful prosecution rate for major criminal investigations.
Having worked with the Major Crimes Team in the past I can tell you that it’s comprised of some of Multnomah County’s most well respected, skilled and dedicated detectives.
These detectives are selected for their skill level and ability to solve crimes and work well within a detective team.
http://www.flashalertnewswire.net/images/news/2010-07/1276/37069/Sheriff_office_HormanPres%E2%80%8Bs072710.pdf (This link no longer works, but it WAS there on the MCSO’s flashalert page)
I believe that this is why MCSO was able to say “information did not come from us”. It came from someone on the above team of investigators. I tried long ago to see if I could find out who made up the team, I only came up with two names: Don Sahota & Larry Foulke, both of whom are (or were at the time) detectives with Gresham PD.
The information, IMO came from someone(s) on that team. My gut feeling, because of MCSO’s denial is that it was not one of the MCSO detectives.
“Given the media coverage over the past long weekend, the Multnomah County Major Crimes Team could no longer stand by its assertion in my affidavit of July 2 that unsealing the sealed matters before you would undermine our on-going criminal investigation,” he wrote.
http://www.katu.com/news/98051309.html
What do you think, Rose? Make sense?
Something just occurred to me, did anyone ever ask Kaine Horman (that we know of) whether or not he knew the landscaper?
Silly as it sounds, I only recall him being asked if he had hired a landscaper. I recall the person who used to post on Alternate Theories once saying that Terri had hired a landscaper who was the same landscaper for a friend of Kaine’s. I didn’t think much of it at the time, chalked it off to more BS, but now I’m thinking about that possibility. Thinking about BJ’s once removed theory.
@Rose
He’s been on the case since the very beginning as one of the leaders of the SARs. He also over saw Brandon L. who sexually molested an underage female while on duty.
December 04, 2010
http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/12/multnomah_county_sheriff_dan_s_2.html
Multnomah County sheriff’s Deputy Mark Herron, one of the search and rescue coordinators working on the Kyron Horman task force, shows the detailed grid patterns that depict exactly where law enforcement and volunteers have searched in rural northwest Multnomah County and Sauvie Island since the second-grader disappeared from Skyline School on June 4. Herron estimated they’ve completed 646 separate search assignments in the expansive fields, heavily wooded terrain and waterways around the island.
(caption of photo)
“We don’t have resources to just throw darts,” said Deputy Sheriff Mark Herron, a search coordinator. Books titled “Lost Person Behavior” and “The Textbook for Managing Land Search Operations,” cover his desk.
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a little background: Herron was part of MCSD under Sheriff Bernie Giusto who was forced to resign. Herron was interviewed during the investigation and seemed not to know anybody though Giusto’s “not maintaining high ethical standards” was though to continue down into his subordinates behavior. doesn’t inspire confidence. here’s the report
http://blog.oregonlive.com/oregonianextra/2008/01/FINAL%20GIUSTO%20Investigative%20Report%20%231%2001%2016%2008.pdf
Thinking in terms of social systems intervention theory (if it still exists decades after my exposure) one has to ask how the bios could’ve gotten the social system of the investigation — MCSO + DA Office investigators — off its dime. Imo it has been stalled since the days of M Reisor (summer 10), the Krafve Task Force (early 11) and continuation of same with a River Patrol Deputy elevated to Detective.
bios expect to advance the investigation by civil suit means adverse to Terri.
Is Terri truly the leverage point in this investigatory social system?
imo she’s the “least.” With the 5th Amendment, she’s impervious.
Further no Judge will expose investigators to civil depo
in an ongoing criminal investigation.
Is the DA’s Office & its imvestigators the leverage point? Imo No.
Their work product will be what it will be, and reflect the competencies
or not of primarily its Child Abuse Unit.
The investigation’s leverage point is the law enforcement team.
I believe after 3 years it cannot be credibly argued this case
belongs in the hands of the 11 Detective mcso Detective Unit
given their broad responsibilities and geographic range.
If Desiree and Kaine want progress, with Tony at her side
in uniform, they need to arrange a hearing with an appropriate body in the State Legislature (think Moawad’s Dad will help) in which they testify not about investigation targets & civil & criminal laws but about Process in Missing Child’s nonFamily abductions, arguing that when a family member is not the identified and charged abductor within one month, the State Attorney General’s Office and State Police are mandated to take jurisdiction.
@TRith. Initially I was trying to answer Blink’s question of what Detective asked to be reassigned when.
@grasshopper. One wonders why a high school senior was assigned to ride around alone with any of these River Patrol deputies, esp to bring an alleged burglar back for interview. Thank goodness she/he documented his interview tips.
Clearly when the Task Force formed 9/15/10, Reisor/O’Donnell stepped back and Lt Walls and Sgt Krafve, with a SAR Coord Deputy Herron (now Det.) in the mix, stepped up.
. Preexisting close colleagial relationships like Reisor/Herron must exist tho.
The public face of the investigation seems not to have changed since 09/10 and resides in the Mcso Det. Unit.
Herron was in charge of this SAR team who searched extensively for Kyron
http://www.koinlocal6.com/mostpopular/st….MdJiMJvpA.cspx
9/11
“According to Alexander, Liggett, 30, has been a civilian volunteer on the unit for 16 years. The sheriff’s office received information about a relationship Liggett had with an underage girl—who was also a volunteer—and arrested him Wednesday.”
updated 11/11
“The Multnomah County Sheriff’s Office has suspended a longtime search-and-rescue leader after an underage volunteer accused him of molesting her.
Brandon Liggett[/b[b]], the top civilian on the volunteer team for the last four years, was barred from any interaction with the group he has worked with for 16 years, said Jason Gates, chief deputy with the sheriff’s law enforcement division.”
This is waaay totally off the wall and worth being un-posted, but I had a really odd thought the other day and am trying to lose it.
What if little Kyron saw something his daddy did or was doing or knew about in a little innocent way and was going to tell “mommy terri”. And it was something, unknown to Kyron, that Terri would/could use to really dump Kaine and get total revenge, maybe even get the children away from him permanently, get him jailed,clean out his precious bank account, lose him his job, whatever – something really bad that Kyron didn’t know was bad.
And maybe he needed to be really stopped, but KH couldn’t do anything, especially to his own little boy, but maybe wanted him out of the picture (oh, maybe for 5 years until he got all of his ducks in a wow) and hatched a “TMH dun it” plot, and worked with someone else to make that all come about?
Very unlikely, but until somebody really intelligent and with no agenda takes over the case, we probably wouldn’t ever know. And just sit here thinking up worse and worse scenarios.
IOW if DAD knows anything?
Yes, it was undoubtedly the MCSO Det assigned also to the East County Team that briefed Kaine. But don’t gorget there are 1 or more DAs on this team, formally, too. Probably a Sen Sep DA like Rees or now Moses and a line level like Moawad. It could easily be a DA imo that briefed him together with a Detective team member. Imo 1 or more DAs on that team had to have helped plan the Sting.
http://www.doj.state.or.us/oregonians/pdf/multnomah_county_deadly_force_plan.pdf
List of Appendices I & J, p 17 relate to east county major crimes team protocols, but content isn’t there
An overview under oath of how east county major crimes team is composed & works a scene from Jan 2012
http://www.mentalhealthportland.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/McKinney-Grand-Jury-Vol-1-18-Yohe.pdf
wasn’t Bob Peterson mentioned here with mcso?
Not that it matters, but were ANY of the “marital assets” – house, car, insurance (was there insurance?) in the name of both TMH and KH? Did TMH ever ask about the possibility of adopting Kyron herself? (I doubt DY would have ever allowed that)
When Kaine was married to DY, did they ever have any joing assets – house, car, insurance, etc., or was his the only name on everything?
IDK what difference it would make except how you always hear “follow the money”.
@TRUth.
Both Krafve of mcso and Bob Peterson of Gresham were on the East County Major Crimes team working together back to 2004:
“The case was assigned to Keith Krafve of the Multnomah County Sheriff’s Office and Bob Peterson of Gresham Police, both with the interagency East County Major Crimes Team. Peterson was a longtime homicide sleuth. Krafve was a two-year detective on his first murder case.”
an Oregon Bar investigator called the investigation botched from the start by police
http://www.wweek.com/portland/m/article-2761-mobile.html#_Article
my memory is Peterson was with Krafve on Kyron in 2010
well, we know Bob Peterson of Gresham was on E Cty Crime team on Kyron as testimony by Yohe puts him
on it in Jan 2012 & he was on it in 2004.
I havent logged in, but google blurb says he’s a former Lead Detective on the East Mult Cty Major Crimes Team
http://m.facebook.com/pages/Servo-Investigations/178411582224455?id=178411582224455&refsrc=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.facebook.com%2Fpages%2FServo-Investigations%2F178411582224455&_rdr
ummmm
http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2011/01/gresham_police_detective_known.html
Kinda looking for the next direction.
7 mice down & now sleeping kinda.
new question from Blink or bloggers to pursue?
It’s too early to know if this is off topic or might be very relevant! A little 10 year old girl’s mother called police in the early AM hours saying her 10 year old little girl was missing! The little girl was found 6 miles away, but so far no one knows who dropped her off this afternoon!
There are some strange circumstances but the good news is that she was found!
Here’s 2 questions for locals in the know.
What date did Herron elevate to mcso Union Pres from VP?
What date did Herron become a Detective in the Detective Unit from YEARS as a River Pattol Unit Deputy?
chicken or egg?
@Rose
here is a question: Has Intel ever officially/publicly confirmed that Kaine was in his Intel office the morning Kyron went mission?
Aside from the incompetence of MCSD, the public is convinced of TMH’s guilt even though no actual evidence has been made public. The assumption is that if LE has focused so completely on her, she must be guilty. This has been repeated by TV and print. maybe radio too for all I know. and certainly all over the internet.
I submit that one complication is the anchoring and adjustment heuristic.
http://changingminds.org/explanations/theories/anchoring_adjustment.htm
It means that once an “anchor” is established, in this case Terri is guilty of disappearing Kyron, then people only “adjust” a little way off from that anchor. In this case we have a vast number of theories of all the ways TMH could could have murdered, sold into slavery, handed off, stashed Kyron. Then there are the endless fawning interviews with Kaine and for awhile Desiree. Those are all based on the anchor that Terri did it. It’s difficult (apparently) to cast that anchor aside and look at it a completely different way. That’s happening on this board. looking at cronyism, opportunistic overtime searching the wrong areas, what’s with Kaine. Unfortunately MCSD doesn’t not seem to share this ability to reason beyond the anchor. Same problem with media and from there to the general public.
@Rose – Any thoughts on “Why Rackner?” and why the six figure tab?
I think what further contributed to the anchors is the sacred cows, like the school, the teacher, the bios, etc. For example; I remember being so incensed at the lack of responsibility of the school and the lack of information or disclosure or reassurance or something from them that I figured I/public was just out of the loop.
There seems to be a huge case of denial by this community that they might have a SO who is prominent and above suspicion. TH is the perfect *solution* to everyone’s problem. If she is guilty, so.be.it. If she is not, then no one has been served, especially Kyron.
grasshopper says:
March 27, 2013 at 7:47 pm
grasshopper says:
March 27, 2013 at 7:47 pm
Unfortunately MCSD doesn’t not seem to share this ability to reason beyond the anchor. Same problem with media and from there to the general public.
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Yes, and why is that? That’s what bugs me. Do they really have some overwhelming evidence they are on the right track? Or is it the only track they can see? Why do they not go public with a bit more information if all they need is some nails to put in Terri’s coffin? I don’t get it…….unless, they are secretly looking at someone else and using Terri as their cover.
Frankly, I don’t think either Kaine or Desiree have been given near as much information as they seem to think they have in this case. But….????
I do hope Desiree is right. I hope Underhill DOES something. I don’t think anything will happen until LE releases more information, or makes an arrest. JMO, but that’s where it’s at with me. We can guess til the cows come home, but that sure isn’t going to help find Kyron. Years ago, I once was listening to John Madden, talking about some other football coach, and he said “hesitation brings constipation”. By golly, that is where this case is now.
Trying to post recent information about 10 year old red haired girl abducted by 2 men; police have 1 car located already; girl is being checked out in hospital
o/t link support:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/03/27/nicole-ryan-missing_n_2965660.html
T. Ruth says:
March 27, 2013 at 10:27 pm
grasshopper says:
March 27, 2013 at 7:47 pm
Unfortunately MCSD doesn’t not seem to share this ability to reason beyond the anchor. Same problem with media and from there to the general public.
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Yes, and why is that? That’s what bugs me. Do they really have some overwhelming evidence they are on the right track? Or is it the only track they can see? Why do they not go public with a bit more information if all they need is some nails to put in Terri’s coffin? I don’t get it…….unless, they are secretly looking at someone else and using Terri as their cover.
Frankly, I don’t think either Kaine or Desiree have been given near as much information as they seem to think they have in this case. But….????
I do hope Desiree is right. I hope Underhill DOES something. I don’t think anything will happen until LE releases more information, or makes an arrest. JMO, but that’s where it’s at with me. We can guess til the cows come home, but that sure isn’t going to help find Kyron. Years ago, I once was listening to John Madden, talking about some other football coach, and he said “hesitation brings constipation”. By golly, that is where this case is now.
Hi, T-ruth…
Just passing through the posts. I’m down South, but still with you all in spirit.
I’d read and reported on “Swimming with Sharks” a long time ago.
There is a Portland Tribune follow-up on this case Keith blew.
He was sued. But nothing came of it. Mostly the suit, if I recall, centered on Keith’s decision to let that cold-blooded killer get off with minimal federal security punishment.
But…Keith’s compulsion to put an innocent man behind bars, knowing that a cold-blooded killer was free for many months…is VERY disturbing. And not justification of the means is warrented.
You don’t see his cold-blooded interrogation techniques in the news when MCSO lets you in the “war room” and Keith seems so mild-mannered.
Love that quote of yours. Sorry, but I don’t think MCSO has anything. Otherwise those salacious tapes, the “hateful” emails, the “unimaginary harm” leakings by LE to the bios would NOT be necessary.
You don’t win a case by shaming the one you suspect. You bring real evidence. None is there and the “secret sealing” of LE’s memos to the judge will NOT further their cause.
Sensationalism does not win a case that has no founding.
IMOO.
VW
the case was buried when it was removed from the E County Major Crimes Team on 9/15/10 & given to the Task Force which was essentially the mcso Detective Unit & msco associates like a sar coordinator. That decision must have been made in August, imo at DA’ direction. probably due to the Sting & RO fiascos.
@erose. imo Meisenheimer was brought into this informally by DA prior to Sting as part of that packaged weekend. (see a bit of his history below). They’d both once supervised Rackner, & imo naturally thought of her. At that point anyone briefing Kaine could’ve passed on the name. Now Meisenheimer would be interesting to get under subpoena
& depo about Sting era consultations prior to the Ex Parte orders.
Before Kitzhaber appointed him, Meisenheimer was a Senior Dep DA (now Rees’ job).
His work as a Senior Deputy DA stretches back from 1995 at least to 1988:
http://books.google.com/books?id=o50w_isIZ-EC&pg=PA63&lpg=PA63&dq=meisenheimer+portland+senior+deputy+da&source=bl&ots=BrezsEt7Qq&sig=IchNYzFYganI3FcbFysY0DPEFyA&hl=en&sa=X&ei=9PlTUcvdIJS24AOBx4CgDg&ved=0CFcQ6AEwCA This article memtions at one time he headed the DA’s Child Abuse team.
Meisenheimer’s daughter was employed 6 months in 2008 in the DA’s Office.
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Interesting story about a Deputy DA who in a murder trial was
second chaired by Meisenheimer, & putting the wrong murderers
away, and how McIntyre undid it
http://articles.latimes.com/1996-09-01/magazine/tm-39549_1_jim-mcintyre/12
McIntyre on Kyron
http://www.examiner.com/article/kyron-horman-investigation-gains-insight-from-a-former-portland-district-attorney
Mike Schults was a Lt.
He was mcso liaison with Hormans on June 9
http://www.kgw.com/news/Horman-family-statement-on-search-for-Kyron-95991424.html
In 2007 he was also a Lt.
Of River Patrol.
http://home.comcast.net/~melauri/minutes.htm
Who sent Kyron’s investigation to River Patrol (Reisor et al) early on?
Crime happened on PPS property & PPB had the jurisdiction there.
I can’t remember how many months stay Engel asked for at that hearing in Feb, but they’ve already gotten 2 months from the judge stalling on his ruling. Will Judge Kantor EVER reach the point where he is sick of DA running this divorce? In all this time they have not been able to produce enough evidence to charge Terri for a crime. And if its not Terri they plan to charge, they have no business continuing this situation.
clear your cache, upgrading servers.
B
This may be old news to some of you. I hadn’t seen it, adopted budget for 2012 MCSO, refers to this from 2011: (pg. 117)
53. MCSO Special Investigations Unit
Program # 60067A – MCSO Special Investigations Unit
Version 6/09/2011 s
Lead Agency:
Sheriff
Program Contact:
Ned Walls
Prog
This program provides for the investigation of crimes involving the sale, distribution, and manufacturing of dangerous drugs.
The Special Investigations Unit is charged with the responsibility for enforcing state narcotics laws, prostitution activities, and
assist with advanced surveillance of major criminal cases. The magnitude of each of these investigative areas requires that
priorities be established to determine allocation of resources. Enforcement of narcotics laws is so important that first priority
within the Special Investigations Unit will be narcotics investigations. Emphasis is placed on narcotics distributors who are
suppliers to street level dealers, as well as suppliers to other distributors which are referred to as mid to upper mid level
narcotics traffickers. Drug investigations will center on the drugs which are most abused in the Multnomah County. SIU is a
local law enforcement resource for investigating and apprehending suspects involved in domestic and/or foreign Human
Trafficking of children. *SIU spent the first quarter of this fiscal year assigned to the Kyron Horman Investigation.
(snipped)
(from pg. 131)
60. MCSO Metro Services
Program # 60074 – MCSO Metro Services
Version 2/18/2011 s
Lead Agency:
Sheriff
Program Contact:
Ned Walls
Program Offer Type:
Existing Operating
Related Programs:
Program Characteristics:
Executive Summary
Metro serves Clackamas, Multnomah and Washington counties, and the 25 cities in the Portland metropolitan area. One of
Metro’s principle missions is to protect open space and parks. Within this mission, the MCSO Metro Services Unit consists of
a detective who enforces disposal laws and Metro’s rules and regulations for disposal and 2 Corrections Deputies that are in
charge of two Inmate Work Crews assigned to cleaning up illegal dump sites.
(snip)
Our Metro Detective was assigned to the Kyron Horman investigation until August 1.
http://web.multco.us/sites/default/files/budget/documents/tab_7_-_sheriffs_office_-_adopted.pdf
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http://web.multco.us/sites/default/files/budget/documents/volume_2_consolidated.pdf (The DA’s office mention of Horman case in 2012 budget, referring to 2011 is all I see)
The Office continues to be an integral part of the Horman investigation, the
largest of its kind in Oregon history. The Board of Commissioners remain
supportive of the investigation and have provided the office some additional
resources through the 2011 fiscal year.
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Sadly, I think this case is cold as ice. I don’t see anything specifically budgeted for 2012 at all. From the appearance of the projected 2012 budget all officers were back at their old duties. ???
Explains why Desiree was so frustrated and took out her own lawsuit. So here’s a question, why did Kaine keep saying that LE was still actively working on this case and he’d been briefed on new information all year? Am I missing something?
RE: T. Ruth says:
March 1, 2013 at 1:22 pm
GRESHAM, OR (KPTV) -
Portland police said they arrested two people on gun and drug charges in a Fred Meyer parking lot Wednesday.
In an ongoing investigation, 21-year-old Gustavo Vega was arrested for delivering marijuana, possession of heroin, and the unlawful use and possession of a firearm, among other things, according to police. Kathleen Olinger, 33, was taken into custody at the same time. She’s wanted for identity theft, according to police.
(snipped)
http://www.kptv.com/story/21431175/drug-and-gun-arrests-made-in-a-fred-meyer-parking-lot
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Informant in militia case admits running drugs for Hells Angels
(snipped)
Gerald “J.R.” Olson had started his testimony Monday by admitting his personal criminal history, citing the cocaine and marijuana that he allowed a “criminal organization” to pack among the boxes of Fred Meyer groceries he hauled to Alaska from Washington state.
Read more here: http://www.adn.com/2012/05/23/2477526/informant-in-militia-case-admits.html#storylink=cpy
What is it with Fred Meyer parking lots?
I still wonder if it was possible that Terri had been running drugs. (or, if at least that is what LE suspects her of?) I remember early on that someone personally posted on one of the forums (somewhere?) that she had earlier in the year (2010) witnessed Terri’s mustang driving recklessly through a parking lot. Does anyone remember if that was Fred Meyer store?
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It’s been almost a month and T. Ruth’s posting (and the referenced two news articles about the Fred Meyer drug connection) still percolates in the back of my mind in regards to a possible explanation as to why TH would remain silent rather than fight for custody of her daughter.
T. Ruth says:
March 28, 2013 at 12:05 pm
clear your cache, upgrading servers.
B
Went away on its own. thanks.
Wonder what prompted this DEA employee that lives in SF to write about Kyron?
October 30,2010
Missing boy Kyron Horman Update
by Jason Taylor
Jason Taylor, Crime & Media Examiner
Jason Taylor is a former military intelligence analyst and corporate security manager. He is a law school graduate and currently works for the DEA. He is a guest lecturer and is on the advisory board for a college criminal justice program. He currently resides with his family in San Francisco.
@TRuth. Those 2011 expenditures (one terminating after Qtr 1 and the other 8/1/11) coincide with Task Force & its demise. While it lasted 9 mos until end-June, Walls/Staton had only requested 6 months of funding for it, so budget-wise it did end with the beginning of the 2nd Quarter of 2011. Desiree should’ve gone off in 09/10 when the E County Major Crime Team was replaced.
In the McIntyre case whose url I posted, the investigations were directed by 1) Shrunk, 2) a DA both of who set the Detectives’ look-see agenda.
DA recommended stay for divorce because he says they have a viable new lead. This might account for Kaine’s belief that the case is active.
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@essaykaye What does two drug arrests in Fred Meyer parking lots have to do with Terri driving recklessly through a parking lot, even if it WERE Terri and it was a Fred Meyer lot? I’d say the majority of Portland area residents shop at least sometimes at one of the many Fred Meyers. Does that mean we are all drug runners? Or are all parking lot reckless drivers drug runners? Sounds to me like not a jump to conclusion but a leap across the grand canyon to conclusion.
grasshopper- where have you read or can you quote the source that the DA has a new viable lead please?
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@Blink,
The word “new” might be overly optimistic, but they have something they believe is worth pursing right now. my notes from the hearing say this: “Rees stepped forward and stated that Kaine should not be deposed because he has information that should not be revealed to Terri. He said that the stay being requested is limited, not indefinite into the future, that they are working on something specific.”
This was in response to Bunch saying this could go on for ever, waiting for them to come up with something and Rees said no, limited.
also the affidavits from DA’s office and from Underhill said they are investigating something specific. I don’t know how to attach jpegs here. If you email me I will send you the photos of those pages.
grasshopper, I was honing in on the “new” and “viable” to demonstrate those words are interpretive and not quotes- because one can only be held to affidavit or sworn testimony.
Thanks for qualifying.
B
Jason Taylor link
http://www.examiner.com/article/missing-boy-kyron-horman-update-video
So this is weird, erose.
Examiner is like a public (anyone can write an article) site. I have to question that bottom page credential as I find it very odd that someone that is a current DEA employee would be announcing that- at risk of clearance yank-
Graduated with a JD but not practicing?
Would be a first for me.
B
and this from the civil case
http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index….riff_cites.html
(snip)
New investigative leads in the disappearance of Kyron Horman have spurred prosecutors and the Multnomah County sheriff to seek a delay in the civil lawsuit Kyron’s mother filed against Kyron’s stepmother Terri Horman.
A Multnomah County judge this week granted motions by District Attorney Michael Schrunk and Sheriff Dan Staton to delay Desiree Young’s civil lawsuit against Terri Horman for nine months.
Chief Deputy District Attorneys Norm Frink and Rod Underhill and Elden Rosenthal, Young’s civil lawyer, declined comment Tuesday on the development.
(snip)
Underhill requested the motions be sealed, citing the continuing criminal investigation, court records show.
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That hearing now will likely be postponed, under the judge’s latest order, as will scheduled depositions that were to take place of Desiree Young and her husband, Tony Young.
@Blink, you all have no doubt noticed that my use of language is not as precise as a legal practitioner’s should be because I am not one! But still, isn’t the whole gist of DA’s official requests to abate or stay both civil suit and divorce that they have something they are actively investigating and depositions would interfere with that. Though I don’t understand why that only applies to Kaine and Desiree being deposed. James and Dede were deposed in the civil case, and Dede’s deposition was released to the public. MOO is that her assertion of the 5th makes her look bad. If there is no newly uncovered viable (or whatever the proper word is) lead, why did the judge go along with the request and grant the civil abatement? And what justifies current request to abate divorce?
(I don’t really know the difference between abate and stay, but put on hold is my understanding.)
We don’t know – has been sealed.
B
If this quote of Rees is accurate (not doubting you grasshopper), then Terri remains the target:
“Rees stepped forward and stated that Kaine should not be deposed because he has information that should not be revealed to Terri. He said that the stay being requested is limited, not indefinite into the future, that they are working on something specific.”
Yesterday I read 2 grand jury transcripts, one this year in Feb, on mcda’s site, of officer-imvolved shootings the gj “imvestigated.” In both, Rees was the gj prosecutor. Imo he presents to the investigatory gj.
If there was case sensitive information, knowing the RO & divorce would be litigated since June 2010, why was LE giving Kaine any investigatory info whatsoever?
To get him to pursue the dissollution to get her on record and subpoena power. Do the job LE effed up
B
So we can deduce that the Kaine/Desiree
depos are the rationale for The Stall of civil litigation?
I don’t see it because if she’s charged & locked up, say,
the depos are still going to reflect badly on LE when Houze
rakes him on “what were you told & when & by whom?”
going month by month & day by day over 3 years of Kaine contacts with LE & DA.
Next it will be Stall Baby Stall until the criminal case is fully adjudicated.
Unless Kyron is recovered I do not believe there will be adjudication in his case, and even then, I have strong doubts.
What was the date that Desiree gave that press conf at the wall of hope that was so painful to watch?
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See your point, Blink. This is as close as I could get, though it’s no bulls eye.
Jason Taylor
http://www.linkedin.com/pub/jason-taylor/45/baa/813
OCDETF
Together with state and local law enforcement, the Organized Crime Drug Enforcement Task force utilizes the resources of eleven U.S. federal agencies to accomplish its objectives. This includes the Drug Enforcement Administration, the Federal Bureau of Investigation, U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement, the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives, the U.S. Marshals Service, the Internal Revenue Service, and the U.S. Coast Guard – in cooperation with the Department of Justice Criminal Division, the Tax Division, and the 93 U.S. Attorney’s Offices, as well as with state and local law enforcement.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Organized_Crime_Drug_Enforcement_Task_Force
Forgetting Jason Taylor, I would say that sans the IRS, the OCDETF lists many of the agencies initially involved in Kyron’s case. Hmmm.
Well, I was correct, he has not, and does not work for the DEA- his claim is he was “deputized” on several occasions. (Note: do you see who he works for now, lol? OMG can’t get away from that PA stuff).
He appears to want a position in the private sector, perhaps why he thought the examiner was a good idea?
I have never heard of advertising you have worked undercover with your picture on the web in my life- I suspect he is not getting many calls in the security sector, wth? Advertising his specialization in surreptitious surveillance, recording and wiring?
No offense to the gentleman, but if he is legit, and he just shares a name as one of over a dozen aliases, he needs to read the policies of Corbett’s office.
http://www.attorneygeneral.gov/theoffice.aspx?id=172
Click investigative, I would say posting your pic on the web would make him “distinguishable in a crowd”.
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10/1/10
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/archive/index.php/t-115924.html
The press stir seemed to be mcso could not find staff from other
jurisdictions for the Task Force, & Gresham had bowed out.
Gresham had seasoned homicide staff on the
E County Major Crime team which apparently the case was losing.
ie Bob Peterson.)
(I also noticed in the 2 cases I read Rees presented to the gj to exhonerate
an officer for a civilian shooting, it was the E County Major Crimes Team
that responded to the scenes & did the investigation)
Is that under PBD? Did we find anything in relation to Rees and the whole DOJ investigation of officer involved violence/shootings of mentally ill fiasco?
B