Kyron Horman Missing: Civil Suit Against Terri Horman DELAYED AND SEALED- Prompted By NEW LEADS
Portland, OR- As many of you have been following since June 2010, there is a new development today in the disappearance of Kyron Horman.
As predicted at BOC, the civil suit brought by Deisree Young, Kyron’s Mother, against Terri Horman, Kyron’s step-mother and the defacto suspect in his disappearance has been granted an abatement.
In a sealed filing, motions by Assistant District Attorney Michael Schrunk and Multnomah County Sheriff Dan Staton were granted, delaying the suit . The motions included supporting affidavits that continuing the action as already ruled would compromise the investigation.
The decision presents an ironic twist .
Terri Horman’s lawyers originally fought vehemently to abate the action, but were unsuccessful. As recently as last week, the Judge in the case ordered medical records to be accessible to both parties to the action.
In Judge Kantnor’s decision to NOT abate the suit at the request of Attorney Peter Bunch for Terri Horman, the Multnomah County Prosecutors Office declared “no position” on the matter after being contacted by the court.
It is not known if that order prompted the request to delay the suit .
Sheriff Stanton, Eldin Rosenthal, Norm Frink and Stephen Houze declined comment at press time.
On Monday, Judge Henry Kantor granted the motions to abate the civil proceeding and ordered the motions and affidavits filed by the district attorney and sheriff sealed.
A hearing had been scheduled for Dec. 14 to hear Young’s attorney argue before the court to compel testimony from DeDe Spicher, an alleged witness in the case. Today’s ruling is likely to render a postponement of that proceeding.
Sheriff Dan Staton, told Oregon Live, it is based on early leads that are now panning out:
“There are a couple of investigative pieces that are going to open up,” Staton told The Oregonian Tuesday. “Our belief is they’re going to open up several investigative doors.”
He said the new “investigative avenues” are based on information collected in the early phase of the investigation that are now yielding some results.
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I found something that I hadn’t seen before, I wonder if any of you locals recall this report apparently on the NW news channel June 5, 2010 sometime in the late morning. I believe by what this poster on WS says, it was most likely Lindstrand who was being interviewed. But if this is really what was said, then it’s a scary thought. Why would Kyron be afraid of police? Did Terri tell them/Lindstrand Kyron was afraid of police? Why would he be afraid of police when his step dad is a one? I thought it was reported later on he wanted to be one? Weird how this report just disappeared.
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=106082&page=6:
Showing pic of Kyron. Last seen 8:45AM am. Step-mom called school at 3:45PM. Authorities can’t confirm he was at school. Lt. Lunds??? is being interviewed and says this is devastating for the family. He is extremely shy and afraid of the police.
End of story.
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In looking for the above report, which I can’t find, I did find the report where Shelby was quoted as saying this, which goes to my previous post.
Portland Public Schools spokesman Matt Shelby said two teachers saw Kyron with his mother and thought the two left school together. He said it was not uncommon for parents to pick up kids this way, so no suspicions were raised.
http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:xTxaqtgGY38J:www.nwcn.com/news/oregon/NW-Portland-second-grader-still-missing-Saturday-95689114.html+&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us&client=firefox-a
How would Bunch know that investigative interviews were going on in CA?
“Peter Bunch, Horman’s civil lawyer, argued Wednesday that the civil suit cannot move forward while there’s an ongoing criminal investigation into Kyron’s disappearance. He said interviews were still being conducted in California and elsewhere.”
http://www.kgw.com/news/Hearing-today-on-Kyron-civil-suit-delay-request-166253236.html
Is it possible he’s referring to Houze’s investigative team (if there is one) interviewing people in CA rather than The DA’s?
Why would the DA’s team be doing interviews in CA in the first place. Who would they be investigating by doing so? Terri? I don’t think so. Why in the heck didn’t a reporter ask this question.
I’m sorry, all I have is questions and the more I look back the more questions I come up with, it’s so frustrating.
@T. Ruth
tried to find your June 5 story on the Wayback Machine. They have archives for June 5 and 6. This one shows the page, but if you click either of the two links on the page to the story, you get a blank page.
http://web.archive.org/web/20100606134352/http://www.nwcn.com/
it’s very odd that so many Kyron stories have disappeared from archives.
T. Ruth,
Too,
It’s interesting the article states “Mother” not “step-Mother”, TH.
@TRuth. Another blatantly ridiculous statement the media interviewer let pass.
I would’ve responded:
Com’on, you’re telling the public it’s common
for parents to pick up children this way from
school at the time bell rings to go to the FIRST class?
And, secondly, I woukd’ve asked: How & when did you get the
information that day he was absent? How did you know he left (and
thought nothing of it), rather than proceed alone to the classroom acter
separating from Terri? Did Ms Porter express puzzlement about his whereabouts
to you during that day?!
Imo what Kaine’s gonna rely on in the divorce re custody & visitation will no longer be “she’s not cooperating re Kyron” or “LE has given me reason to believe mfh.” He’s moved on to begin to rely on an “substantial break in the relationship” argument, standing on its own legs. imo Bunch better move this thing in fast & quit playing defense. I vote to associate Stahancyk.
Re Everything I’m reading today and
@grasshopper says: April 2, 2013 at 12:11 pm
So this is how it sounds. (YOu can substitute TMH) for the main character at any time.
LE says, “Hey, folks. Santa Claus is a perp. He might have had help from funny short men who we cant identify, but it doesn’t matter. We think he is a perp, so that’s that.”
and they continue with their reasoning, “…you see, this fat guy, Santa, we saw him with a whole bag of toys. Now, where would those toys come from if he hadn’t stolen them. We think he stole them. Therefore, he is a perp. He probably lawyered up, but we’ll tie him to those toys one way or the other. And then we will arrest him.”
See?
Why would the stepson of a cop be afraid of police?
T. Ruth says:
April 2, 2013 at 1:13 pm
snip>
Showing pic of Kyron. Last seen 8:45AM am. Step-mom called school at 3:45PM. Authorities can’t confirm he was at school. Lt. Lunds??? is being interviewed and says this is devastating for the family. He is extremely shy and afraid of the police.
@erose. young ones with sensory integration issues or
processing issues, with weak motor skills, have many fears.
idk which if any of these issues Kyron may have had. But the
palatte is broad and does not relate to police qua police, and a
family member in the profession does not reassure.
Rose says:
April 2, 2013 at 2:41 pm
imo Bunch better move this thing in fast & quit playing defense. I vote to associate Stahancyk.
On the surface this seems like a great idea but though it’s not all that obvious to the rest of us, I believe Bunch and Houze act as a team. Bunch several times has referred to wanting to confer with his associate before committing to something. IMO Houze as an experienced and very effective defense attorney well versed in criminal law is team head. Bunch is fine with that. I suspect Stahancyk would insist on doing what she does best: fight in family law court for her client. She’s probably usually team leader. I think it would not go smoothly.
After T.Ruth mentioned that Google is her friend; I went over to vist my friend, too. Typed in “Kyron Horman” and did a custom search from 6-2010 to 3-2013. Trying to get to the earliest one, but stopped at random here:
http://www.justicequest.net/forums/showthread.php?p=414509
Found this (besides dissing Blink – well, what do they know anyway?), I read:
don’t think blinkoncrime is a good resource, but an interesting “thought” :
Something else was brought to my attn, could it be that SM was having an affair with Brian P. and Ann P. found out, has taken Kyron as revenge. Overlooked because everybody seems to be dismissing T’s statement.
That perhaps Terri was threatened, and that is why she was seen on SI that day driving like a bat out of hell, looking for Kyron. It’s been alleged she was seen there with a man.
However, I think Kaine knows more than he is saying, and maybe they were swingers that went awry. I don’t know, it’s a leap…
A lot of people think this poster on oregonlive is Ann Pumala:
http://connect.oregonlive.com/user/r…ger/index.html
Might not mean anything, but it never hurts to look at everything.
So then I typed “Ann Pumala” and “images”, found this:
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=8199.1960
nothing probably means anything, but I think if SZ is not the Key,then Google is the Key. Or not.
http://www.topix.com/forum/portland/T48FMSCN3PI5DAKV0/p4
http://www.realitychatter.com/t2801p120-kyron-horman-missing-6-4-10-3
You could also google search “Kaine Horman-Ann Pumala” and/or “Terri Horman/Brian Pumala” ..or not. Don’t know if anything would give more information – looks like a lot of this was on early Blinks.
Just lots of misc. stuff to read.
Somehow, some way, we need Kyron back.
@Blink. What events would
make yr Parts 2 & 3
with Lea’s analysis ripe?
an indictment? a trial?
Great question. I can say that the divorce moving forward would be like direct sun.
B
I was active on Facebook Discussion boards from the time Kyron went missing. The possible Brian Pumala affair was discussed extensively with people digging into every conceivable. Apparently Brian lived (at that time at least) on a houseboat on SI so that led to speculation that Kyron was spirited away in a boat. Nobody came up with anything viable. It turned in virtual harassment for this family just because Tanner made a public statement about noticing Kyron was missing after they toured the exhibits. Though of course I don’t know ANYTHING for sure, I believe this to be a dead end.
Rose says:
April 2, 2013 at 6:20 pm
@erose. young ones with sensory integration issues or
processing issues, with weak motor skills, have many fears.
idk which if any of these issues Kyron may have had. But the
palatte is broad and does not relate to police qua police, and a
family member in the profession does not reassure.
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Well put. Anyone who spends any time trying to talk to kids about their fears soon finds that everytime you think you’ve covered it, another “but what if” comes up (no easy boundaries). He may also have seen some difference in “detective” and “uniform on the street”. Hopefully, no one was ignorant enough to threaten him with “police will come if you don’t behave”, etc. And maybe he saw or heard more of the crime oriented TV shows than anyone admitted – you can hardly tell the good guys from the bad sometimes. Nothing like “Dragnet” or “Perry Mason” to know which side of the law you want to be on.
I tend to be skeptical about this statement, but on the other hand, maybe James talked to him about his view of police at the time of the DUI in response to a movie or conversation. Or perhaps he was warned that if he told something he knew or saw, police would arrest someone and also take him “away”. There are multiple possibilities.
IIRC, Brian and Ann are brother and sister.
Correct
B
@MBS, You and Rose not lending weight to that statement other than normal fear for his type is good enough for me, but I was thinking along the lines you touched on in your last paragraph that maybe in his household cops were regarded as a negative, not a positive. Love to get your perspectives though as it makes me think outside my own initial thoughts.
I was suspicious of Tanner’s step-grandfather that owned the houseboat, as he looked like the man (NOT IN PLAID) in the photo of the project at the SF. He was a cop, an elite PPD pilot. IIRC, Steve Harmon owned that houseboat (I think it sold in 2011 or 2012) and Brian and Ann lived there as teenagers with their mother Bobbi, who since remarried and moved to AZ, which could have explained Ann’s moving to AZ around the time Kyron went missing. It was possible that Brian may have had access to that houseboat, but I do not think that was his 06-04-10 residence, fwiw.
This is a total set up on my part, lol- so why would Mr. Harmon be with the 2 young girls with the gentleman (cough, in the close up before once an see the plaid) in the pic?
B
From People Magazine, June 28, 2010 (Interesting date for publication, and yet no mention of MFH)
http://www.people.com/people/archive/article/0,,20395309,00.html
“Seven-year-old Kyron Horman has long known what he wants to be when he grows up: a police detective.”
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Also interesting that the reporter uses the words “police detective” as opposed to “policeman”. Hmmmmm? This so contradicts the June 5 news video blurb. So, again, if it was true Kyron wanted to be a cop, he certainly wouldn’t be afraid of them. Why would someone say on June 5 he was afraid of them. Who would have said that? Terri is the only one I can think of and if she did, there could only be one of two reasons: 1.) She was lying to serve some purpose of her own. Exactly what, or whether it would have had to do with Tony IDK. or 2.) It was true and he really was afraid of police. Possibly including his own step father.
But then, why would others, including his own father go on saying or agreeing that he wanted to be a police detective?
The answer to that IMO, could only be that Kaine was given information from LE and was playing along. ?????
IDK, but this is one of those weird things that should have been asked by some reporter to clarify. For all we know, Lindstrand was just saying Kyron *may* be afraid of police, i.e., before they really knew much about him. Although, I’m guessing everyone knew within minutes or at the very least a few short hours that Kyron was the stepson of Medford cop.
Sorry to keep rehashing old stuff, but the going back to information that was collected early on has sent me there.
@grasshopper. now having read up on etiology of officers in charge & their political & social relationships, imo all Sauvie & riverboat searches were attributable to mcso riverlatrol deputies/ sar coordinators (herron) & mcso supv
(reisor) just naturally doing what they knew best, had trained gor, & felt comfy with as investigators
re ” Lt. Lunds??? is being interviewed and says this is
devastating for the family. He is extremely shy and afraid
of the police.”
I don’t think we can conclude Kyron was afraid of police, or family
members would say that, because an mcso PR spokesperson who did not
know him & had never met him chose that soundbite.
@Blink, I’m talking ’bout picture #2. R U messin’ w/me? LOL!
http://www.wweek.com/portland/blog-1143-kyron_horman_update_man_spotted_in_photo_from_stepmoms_facebook_page.html
Aside, and this deserves more than an aside, and have been looking for the words all day, so since I’m at a somewhat loss all I can say is I really appreciate you helping me (constantly) hold on to the right perspective. Thank You.
Lol. I promise you people that is the same dude. In pic #2 he is front facing, a display in the way, putting a piece of paper in his PLAID SHIRT which is worn open and on top of the blue tshirt.
Thank you but I don’t know that I am helping any perspectives outside of what most logical and/or critical thinking folks know does not make sense as it is being presented.
B
@Rose, You bring up Herron in your last post. Today I saw he was the MSCO Union President, and also the current contact person for the Kyron Horman investigation. I didn’t post because I figured you already posted it somewhere up thread. Posting now, just in case it was missed.
Huge revelation to my feeble mind. OMG…same guy. Never got that ’til now.
snip>
Lol. I promise you people that is the same dude. In pic #2 he is front facing, a display in the way, putting a piece of paper in his PLAID SHIRT which is worn open and on top of the blue tshirt.
Thank you but I don’t know that I am helping any perspectives outside of what most logical and/or critical thinking folks know does not make sense as it is being presented.
B
You helped my perspective in two major ways. First, that my doubts are reasonable, and second that my doubts can be explained several ways not the least of which is the emotional toll on these people.
Not feeble at all. How could anyone truly doing diligence in this case not question everything about it? It is necessary and you and everyone posting on here are the best there is at it, imo. That said, I am still not satisfied that individual has been accounted for, regardless of some person’s fb posting. I have to think the Mayor tweeting about it holds more weight. TMH got the knowledge he did not sign the volunteer form from somewhere.
B
@erose. Yes, upthread. Like Randy Leonard (big PPB’s
Reese supporter) as Firefighter Union Pres.
Like Moawad’s Dad Barker was PPB Union Pres.
gives them a certain panache (neil horman’s self-reference).
This of course was the answer to Mbs/vw’s question
about All That Overtime being overlooked (it’s an expected
job benefit jefes sprinkle imo). I did not want to
discourage our teachers by directing
them to yesterday’s lead HuffPost article on the sequester’s
trickle down effects on States’ classrooms. Probably
article’s gone now.
Here is where KH states when his suspicions of TH were realized, and you guess it, it hinged on the MFH.
snip>
But Kaine Horman says he didn’t fully believe his wife could be behind Kyron’s disappearance until he learned about the alleged murder-for-hire plot. The Oregonian has reported Terri Horman offered to pay a landscaper to kill her husband six or seven months ago.
…and this is when DY states her suspicions.
snip>
She says she suspects Terri Horman was untruthful in the first phone call to Young the day Kyron disappeared.
“Sometimes a mother’s instinct can be pretty accurate, but at the same time, (my suspicion) was factual-based,” she says. “I can’t give you details, but some of what she was saying didn’t match up with me. I’m familiar with the school, and I know how the school’s set up, and some of what she’s saying doesn’t make sense to me.”
http://www.wweek.com/portland/blog-1143-kyron_horman_update_man_spotted_in_photo_from_stepmoms_facebook_page.html
“I’m familiar with the school, I know how it is set up.”
That very much sounds to me like a statement of someone who has never been there, but has since reviewed it’s blue print.
Back to the school again.
B
No. 23 erose at 1:12 a.m.
“TMH got the knowledge he did not sign the volunteer form from somewhere. B”
At what point in the investigation/disappearance did TMH refer to this? Was it early on? If TMH had knowledge, then we sure are missing a big piece of this puzzle. Does this confirm that the SZ was an imposter “volunteer”.
She posted it on FB very early, no further interpretations can be drawn.
B
re Mayor tweeting
my recent reading if Comments in leading OLive articles on Randy Leonard’s retirement boiled down to he was seen as very close to Sam Adams. And Randy Leonard is very close to M Reese Chief of PPB (promoted him, play in same band). So it would be easy for investigation questions such as The Man to zip from Reese’s lips to Adams’ ear.
And if Reese wanted info out to assist in an id that mcso was not putting out, what better way than the Mayor, a known loose cannon. Apparently Leonard always did things his way too.
She’d have to be familiar with how the school
was set up on Science Fair day.
very different routines.
I wonder how much Reese gripped to Leonard about this investigation behind the scenes.
One explanation of PPB not getting very involved could be Reese never liked his old rival for the mcso job’s
conduct of the investigation as to basic investigatory decisions.
@Rose
I think this is important info, the Reese – Staton hard feelings. Leonard put up Reese for MC sheriff while Shipper/Skipper (can’t remember) put up Staton. Skipper was put up by Giusto. It seems from the list of allegations in the Giusto allegation, considering that there were probably plenty more violations for which there was no firm evidence, it would not be a stretch to guess that the Giusto/Skipper/Staton line shares the same philosophy. That’s to say that Reese is necessarily any different, only different patron.
I spent Sunday afternoon reading about corruption in the Portland area up through about 1966. Both PPD and MCSD were deeply involved, competing for the same turf, but each paid off by a different patron. I’d like to believe all that is over now but it is a tradition to keep in mind and not all that log ago.
We do know that secrets have been kept in return for favors in the Goldschmidt situation. How much more of this goes on.
Only way this relates to Kyron is that some people might know things but aren’t telling, and I don’t mean Terri.
PORTLAND, Ore. – The Multnomah County Sheriff’s office said it knows who the mysterious man is in the background of the picture of Kyron Horman standing in front of his Tree Frog display.
He has been interviewed but is not a person of interest in the case.
His name will not be released and the Sheriff’s office will not say if he is a parent or teacher.
The picture and that man in the back of room became a hot topic of conversation after Portland Mayor Sam Adams sent out this alert to the public asking for help in identifying the man:
Do you recognize the man in this photo ?
(unfortunately original link no longer works, this was reported by KOIN)
http://officialcoldcaseinvestigations.com/showthread.php?p=57162
I seriously doubt a KOIN reporter made this up, particularly because they bothered to say the dude was interviewed and not a POI. So, let’s say MCSO do know who he is and they did tell a KOIN reporter. Why the hush-hush? JMO, but I think the guy is LE.
I don’t know why he would be there if he was LE, but, it would explain Staton’s comment about better communication needed between government entities and when he said that, he said the PPB would be involved in that. So here’s my question, is this guy possibly an undercover working for PPB? Or maybe DEA? Interesting to me that he’s standing in front of K. Holm’s project, talking with someone.
(BTW, no offense, but I still don’t think this is the same person in both photos, there seems to me, to be an extreme height difference between the guy standing up who appears to be around 4 inches taller than the diorama, and the person in the plaid coat who is bent over looking down (whom I believe is possibly a woman), when you straighten that body up, since you can see the neck, it puts his/her head about 3 inches shorter than the diorama. AMOO, and I promise not to bring it up anymore. LOL)
What measurements you got in that equation there T. Ruth? To my knowledge that you can assess the height of a person bent over where all you can see is limited torso, and then in the next image with an almost completely blocked body image from the neck down to the floor, that you could gauge height is something of a forensic image breakthough as far as my training so I am certainly open to learning.
I am teasing you, and hopefully making a point. I have no issue with anyone disagreeing with me, but it is the same dude.
I do not believe he is suspect zero, fwiw.
B
@Grasshopper. What do you think about the mental stability of a Sheriff who retires before the end if his term, comes back as interim briefly after a series of scandals with his successor, and weeps his way, literally, thru a Commissioner’s meeting voting on his hand-picked nominee for successor?
I believe the Portland judicial/LE culture is stiflingly paternalistic and that paternalism for decades (affecting personnel on the Bench, Commissioners, LE appointments) emanated from the well-intended head of DA Office.
Don’t forget at every Mult Cty major crime scene from the onset of the incident 1 or more DAs were on site directing (detective) traffic. See McIntyre case url I posted.
Reflecting, the geographic areas I know have County Police. It is very odd imo to have Portland Police handling the City, other small city PDs, & this piddling County Sheriff operation whose claim to fame is SAR, River Patrol, & Corrections. The E County Crimes team is a bandaid. Imo this regional LE organization wastes taxpayers’ money due to duplication of Admin. And it disenfranches the Portland wealthier suburbs from the higher PPD competency levels & resources. Just like education. Here, School Boards & ed services are by County. This failure in LE & PPS to be County-organized is an administratively & service-delivery inept organization of services. Probably take a megawealthy County resident, outside PPB jurisdiction limits, to become a victim, see the problem, & fund candidates & campaigns for organizational change. Change won’t come from the public services union leaders who keep getting elected though. And actually the current services balkanization makes corruption more likely, easier to evade notice.
@Blink, I know, it’s just my opinion. Just goes to show what one sees in an image is in the eye of the beholder I guess. LOL
I do wonder if that dude is LE though.
There was a picture floated of an alleged woman driving a green possible Volkswagen with a little boy wearing glasses in the front passenger seat. It looks like one of the newer style volkswagens. I wonder who floated that picture? Why? When and where was it taken and was facial recognition done on the occupants?
If anyone can remember and find and post a link to the picture I’m talking about it would be great.
The Volkswagen is green in color to my recollection.
Also, as I recall it appears that the alleged female driver possibly has an Adams apple and male facial bone structure.
blink said:
I don’t think they did anything to quiet the knowledge of SZ that was not an effort to keep case sensitive intel just that, as I said, Kaine and Desiree were told. I think it was more an issue that by the time they got around to questioning witnesses and realized it was credible, *****they already had TMH as their suspect****** and kept working to find the nexus of collusion. However, I have reason to believe that knowledge was not shared across all agencies, so I am at a loss past what I have already stated.
I wish I had more to contribute than repeating myself, truly.
B
I was trying to figure out how soon people suspected terri was involved and even the next day (june 5/2010) people were asking about her whereabouts. I think its because LE and or the papers kept saying “last person seen with kh” :
http://www.katu.com/news/local/95702034.html
Published: Jun 5, 2010 at 6:37 PM PDT
“Investigators said the family is cooperating in the case: “Our point is don’t lose hope.” We asked a spokesperson for the Multnomah County Sheriff’s Office about the step mother’s whereabouts and what she knows. Deputies said they can’t comment, as it is part of the investigation”
Here: (although it doesn’t tell much…)
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?p=5274595
(Google Knows All)
@Patriciamochalatte says: April 3, 2013 at 7:34 pm
erose said:
erose says:
April 2, 2013 at 4:46 pm
Why would the stepson of a cop be afraid of police?
T. Ruth says:
April 2, 2013 at 1:13 pm
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Showing pic of Kyron. Last seen 8:45AM am. Step-mom called school at 3:45PM. Authorities can’t confirm he was at school. Lt. Lunds??? is being interviewed and says this is devastating for the family. He is extremely shy and afraid of the police.
Maybe the police were at the house previously on a domestic violence thing and it might have left him afraid. just pure speculation. it might also be nothing or a mistatement by the press, or sometimes a family that is doing something illegle, (like if they were growing week like the neighbors said most residents there were), sometimes the adults tell the children to not talk about things to the police, and make them afraid that the police will hurt them or something. i hope it wasnt anything like that. i really doubt it was anything like that because it seemed that ty had a great relationship with kh and kyron was never afraid of him or his police friends.
@Patriciamochalatte says:
April 3, 2013 at 7:34 pm
Hmmm, never heard or saw that. Was it a Jetta? (Like the one Storm abandoned in LA?)
@sam hawthorne
I think that at this point we should disregard nothing. Agree that something might have happened to scare Kyron of police. There is no reason to make such a statement without some basis. It’s likely Tony never appeared in uniform when Kyron was around, which means the fear came from something else. If he wasn’t taken by a SO, then he was taken because he saw something compromising. I’m thinking along those lines. If the guy in those photos really was LE then something was going on that required surveillance.
I was looking back today at some old BOC threads, and came to one where Lea Conner was posting in regard to Bunch mentioning the December 26, 2009 911 call.
We all thought maybe Bunch had misspoken, or many of us did. I’d have to go back and find the thread again, but it basically said that perhaps Bunch had put that information out there as a threat to Mr. Horman. IOW, if you don’t let us abate this, then whatever that 911 call was about will be coming out to bite you in the azzz. Oh shoot, I’ll just go find it again:
Here:
In my humble opinion, Mr. Bunch raised the issue of the December 26 9-1-1 call for a reason. Mr. Bunch would not raise such an issue unless it is helpful to his client.
It could be that Mr. Bunch was telling Laura Rackner that her client had better agree to modify the TRO and allow Ms. Horman some visitation, or Ms. Rackner’s client would be forced to explain himself — and the December 26 9-1-1 call — at hearing.
However, I just cannot see Mr. Bunch filing a motion for visitation. In order to have that motion heard, the court would need to remove the abatement, which would allow Ms. Rackner the ability to conduct discovery.
Any motion regarding visitation would also open the door to scrutiny of Ms. Horman’s parenting. Ms. Horman cannot seek visitation while continuing to dodge that issue. Mr. Horman will get to explore Ms. Horman’s care of Kyron, including the events of June 4, as it is wholly relevant to her ability to parent Kiara.
As a result, it could be that Bunch invoked the December 26 9-1-1 as a way of telling Kaine Horman that any further attacks on his client in the media will not go unanswered.
Hypothetically speaking, if the December 26 call to 911 concerned a domestic violence incident at the Horman household, or if it was related to Kyron disappearing from the home — “wandering off,” running away, going to a friend’s house, or otherwise — that phone call will be a game-changer in terms of the dissolution matter.
Might the 911 phone call on December 26 tell us why why Ms. Horman’s son James moved out? Mr. Horman previously told the media that Ms. Horman blamed him for her son James leaving the parties’ home in early 2010. Maybe that phone call will tell us what exactly was going on at the Horman residence. It might also explain why nobody agrees as to precisely when James moved out.
If that 911 call demonstrates truthfulness on the part of Ms. Horman, it would mean that law enforcement wrongly painted Ms. Horman as a suspect to other family members, while making no effort to correct the record when that information was disseminated to the public.
Mr. Bunch claimed, “If this is not abated we will not get reciprocal discovery.” Mr. Bunch’s claim begs the question: Would an abatement of the divorce proceeding cause law enforcement to turn over reciprocal discovery? Under that theory, law enforcement is withholding information in order to affect the outcome of the dissolution proceeding. It’s hard to imagine any scenario in which such a thing would occur.
http://blinkoncrime.com/2010/10/07/kyron-horman-missing-kaine-and-terri-horman-face-off-in-family-court/comment-page-4/
Anyways, always good reading to go back and see what might make more sense now, for me anyway. So is the possible release of this 12/26/09 911 call, the one Houze can’t seem to get access to, is this, could this be the reason Kaine Horman and his leagal team now wants the dissolution abatement?
Could whatever is within this call be what LE is saying will release premature information that could harm their case? IDK, just more brain fodder.
@@Patriciamochalatte says: April 3, 2013 at 7:34 pm
Okay, looking back, at the link RedRose provided, it originally came from here, video still out there:
http://www.lawofficer.com/video/news/police-kyron-well-bring-you-ho
It’s at about 10 seconds (clock runs down on this one) Not Kyron, just a little guy with glasses.
The ultimate authority of the PPD on 06-04-10 was the mayor.
May 12, 2010
Adams pledged a “new and different direction” for the bureau. “He’s a can-do police chief, and I’m going to be a can-do police commissioner,” he said.
http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/05/portland_mayor_sam_adams_names_1.html
@erose. And the 3rd Maverick Mgmt Muskateer, Randy Leonard, was Commissioner over Fire & Rescue.
Is it possible Kyron’s capture in June prevented Adams’ & Reese’s focusing on internal improvements,
or even opening an investigation into anything still squirrelly in mcso?
there was once a mysterious dr pickle on alternate theories & olive comments (who was not in Terri did it camp).
See OLive today for a stepfather arrest in this ancient cold case based on dna evidence
Rose, I’m not seeing it, can you link it?
Found it Rose, thanks.
http://www.oregonlive.com/pacific-northwest-news/index.ssf/2013/04/oregon_inmate_accused_of_1990.html
I honestly thought this guy had already been convicted. So sad Rachanda Pickle was never recovered.
Turf war?
Rose says:
April 4, 2013 at 7:23 am
http://www.oregonlive.com/pacific-northwest-news/index.ssf/2013/04/salem_inmate_charged_in_murder.html#incart_river
@erose Here it is. Course this alleged bio father commenting on Kyron’s case could’ve been a made-up
persona.
He altogether stopped all Comments about 18 months ago;
maybe knowing daughter’s Cold Case (if true he’s related anyway)
had been reopened.