Ramsey’s Indicted In JonBenet’s Murder In 1999- DA Alex Hunter Refused To Prosecute

Posted by Christina Stoy | Alex Hunter,John Ramsey,JonBenet Ramsey,Patsy Ramsey | Monday 28 January 2013 12:32 pm

According to a new report exclusive by the Daily Camera- Both John and Patsy Ramsey were indicted by a grand jury in 1999 for child abuse leading to her death- but prosecutor Alex Hunter refused to sign the indictment because he did not feel there was sufficient evidence to secure a prosecution against either parent.

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The report lays to the rest years of lingering rumors that although the grand jury which was suspended more than once while hearing the Ramsey case was never polled.

In July 2008 then Boulder District Attorney Mary Lacy, publicly exonerated the Ramsey’s in an open letter after Touch DNA testing proved the suspect in Jon Benet’s assault and murder was an unrelated male whose profile matched DNA in a blood stain within the child’s underwear.

… The match of Male DNA on two separate items of clothing worn by the victim at the time of the murder makes it clear to us that an unknown male handled these items. There is no innocent explanation for its incriminating presence at three sites on these two different items of clothing that JonBenét was wearing at the time of her murder. … To the extent that we may have contributed in any way to the public perception that you might have been involved in this crime, I am deeply sorry. No innocent person should have to endure such an extensive trial in the court of public opinion, especially when public officials have not had sufficient evidence to initiate a trial in a court of law. … We intend in the future to treat you as the victims of this crime, with the sympathy due you because of the horrific loss you suffered. …

 

In 2001 John and Patsy Ramsey also passed a polygraph examination given by Dr. Ed Gelb  and corroborated via  quality control analysis Cleve Baxter.

Patsy Ramsey died in 2006 after over a decade of battling ovarian cancer.

In his book, The Other Side of Suffering, John Ramsey believes his daughter’s murderer was someone the family came into contact with  either at a Holiday gathering or at a pageant appearance shortly before her murder on Christmas Day.

JonBenet’s murder remains unsolved.

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249 Comments

  1. rose says:

    @erose. wrt ” I think I could make an argument for a theory that someone may have wanted the family to be the prime suspects.” You have. I agree. A perpetrator associated with someone highly resentful of the parent(s)
    seeking to please?

  2. erose says:

    Were any of the prime suspects scouts?

    I don’t know that for sure erose. Good question.

    I re-read Bob Whitson’s book this weekend- “Injustice”. It reads like a dissertation ( I think it mostly is) but when evaluating cases I like that.
    From a profiling perspective, I absolutely believe this offender is a sexual sadist and lays great argument for that- EXCEPT I am salty at the presentation of his key suspect.
    B

  3. meg says:

    Do you know of any credible sites that have written up on this case? Thanks

    Unfortunately, no. Very superficial and mostly from media, no actual investigation.
    B

  4. erose says:

    Rose, Here is where I have a problem with the (my) revenge theory; is it possible that someone that had an axe to grind with the Ramsey’s is also a sexual sadist, or knew one? That just seems highly coincidental. Statistically, it should be one or the other, right?

    It’s kind of like Kyron’s case, though we don’t know his current state, but if someone was out for revenge on Hormans or Youngs, would they sexually assault, or just murder. or just kidnap?

    I can’t wait to get Blink’s take on the pineapple (tea and flashlight), but by her revealing the sadist part of her profile, it seems to negate a revenge motive, or do sadists create revenge motives to self-justify their bad acts. Am I wrong?

    Forgive me erose, there was a reason, lol.

    What I think about the pineapple? It wasnt even fresh damn pineapple it was fruit cocktail. 19 Damn years later and thats sure as Hell not sitting on their table and you can bet your azz it was served at the Whites.

    From Paula Woodwards new book WE HAVE YOUR DAUGHTER

    “…Although BPD DID not seek analysis of the contents of JonBenet’s stomach/intestine until a full 10 months after her autopsy, experts produced a report indicating grapes, grape skins and cherries along with pineapple were found. *These foods are commonly included in most cans of fruit cocktail…”(BPD Report #1-1349)

    ###

    I plan to spend my evening calling everyone I have ever argued with about this to tell them I was right, lol.

    B

  5. meg says:

    I didn’t believe because I have been trying to look for a few days now and haven’t been able to find anything.

    @ erose I believe this case is similar to Kyron’s in that the parents did let the offender in. I do think each case is different. Based on what I have read on both I believe in Kyron’s case this was a case of a cover up or that they openly associated with the wrong people. And by “they” at this point I believe it was Kaine’s associates. I believe if you went back to the beginning and examined Kaine with the same scrutiny that Terri was they would have uncovered answers. I honestly don’t believe JBR murder was an exact of revenge or coverup. I think they accidentally let the wrong person in.

  6. erose says:

    Blink, So JBR didn’t eat pineapple at home that night at all, SMH, how dare they report on the pineapple and not the grapes and cherries. Probably a jello mold, I hate those, but 6 year olds love them.

    Meg, I agree, there are differences in the cases, most notable of course is the Ramsey’s learned very quickly where their daughter was, and Kyron’s family have yet to find out what happened to him. The way law enforcement handled both cases, sloppy, and the way the media swayed public opinion is similar in both cases, in my opinion.

    As you can see from my post above (which you would have seen when you wrote yours) I have trouble reconciling the revenge motive, as well. Now. with the pineapple off the table, so to speak, it seems as if it was LE that just used the pineapple evidence to promote their theory of brother killing his sister over a chunk of fresh pineapple, in a home where I’m sure food was plenty. That never made any sense to me.

    With the stomach content information, seems to me JBR was put into bed as her family stated and stunned in her sleep, so she could be taken to the basement, without noise, by Blink’s profile, a sadist. Blink has also stated this person had knowledge of the family, house, etc.

    It was just that preposterous. If I believe the access was the grated window, which I do, I can’t reconcile that a first-time prowler, attempting to avoid an alarm system for your garden variety B&E is even aware of this entry- there is NOTHING but risk. I guess one could argue prowlers have knowledge like this, but lets consider the basics. There is NO WAY to know if that grate is removable, or if those windows are locked unless you either have peripheral or direct knowledge. Direct knowledge meaning you have been on grounds. There was a large grill to the right of the grate obscuring it’s very existence. If that middle window was not broken- the offender still had to know how it could be accessed by breaking it and it has a wood grid in the first place.

    The parallels of the 2 investigations is absolutely uncanny to me- so much so, I would not be shocked to hear some contact between MCSO and BPD.
    B

  7. erose says:

    Oh Meg, edit edit, I meant you would NOT! have seen my post as both of ours were in moderation at the same time. My error.

  8. first-time says:

    So, the pineapple….So she ate fruit cocktail. Then can we assume that Burke served himself the bowl of pineapple? Why won’t anyone own the pineapple?

    Thats the million dollar question. There is absolutely no reason “not” to. I think that damn set up is one of two things:

    1. A staged message by the offender.
    2. Someone finding remnants of the 23rd party scattered about so they set it on the table.
    B

  9. erose says:

    If you consider the writer of the “ransom” note had knowledge of JR’s bonus amount, that means someone had access to paper work at home or at work. If PR had strangers in her house on tours, then I would think she would have given business parties in her home.

    John kept payroll files in home office. It was in his unlocked desk. I am told the $118 was net and it appears as a line item on all payroll checks for a year after he got it.
    B

  10. Ode says:

    My question always was if you are stunned with a stun gun do you urinate. I felt silly asking that because I believed pineapple from the bowl eaten by JonBenet would mean she was not stunned in bed and then given pineapple to eat after. If urination occurs that would explain why the bed wetting argument that set a mother who absolutely doted on her daughter to strike her and then cover it up by killing her off with a garrote while breaking off a paint brush in the most indecent way more ludicrous than it already is.

    Blink when you said…The parallels of the 2 investigations is absolutely uncanny to me- so much so, I would not be shocked to hear some contact between MCSO and BPD.
    B
    My first thought was “were they looking for Terri in Denver”. However we do have this Olivia cat running in both MCSO and BPD area at times as well as Karr hanging around in the area of Seattle around the time Kyron went missing trying to start his little pedo sicko utopia or some such nonsense. I wonder about Timur V.D. and if he spent any time in Denver? I am not convinced that some connection may be between these two young souls.

    She did not wet the bed that night. It is possible her bladder evacuated upon trauma or death, yes. I am just not sure enough about the sequence of events to outline my theory yet.
    B

  11. erose says:

    I guess a financial advisor and people that work at the bank would be aware of the bonus amount.

    Seeing an uncanny new theory on that associated with the fired employee who had to pay back about that much.

    And this thought- everyone is forgetting the bonus amount was a net figure. In my mind, that makes it all the more intimate as people usually do not give a net figure in conversation, imo
    B

  12. first-time says:

    Number 2 makes more sense to me. But with all the other crazy nearly inexplicable evidence in this case, I suppose number 1 is possible.

    _—-_—_
    first-time says:
    September 27, 2016 at 10:13 am
    So, the pineapple….So she ate fruit cocktail. Then can we assume that Burke served himself the bowl of pineapple? Why won’t anyone own the pineapple?

    Thats the million dollar question. There is absolutely no reason “not” to. I think that damn set up is one of two things:

    1. A staged message by the offender.
    2. Someone finding remnants of the 23rd party scattered about so they set it on the table.
    B

  13. Meg says:

    In regards to the 2nd theory and the pineapple would that have been the friends who came over? Was it asked if they served pineapple at that party?

  14. erose says:

    Jeff Merrick?

  15. erose says:

    Jim Morino, Mike Glenn?

    What ya got, lol?
    B

  16. erose says:

    Just dawned on me that Kaine Horman and John Ramsey were in the same industry. Not inferring anything, just an observation.

  17. Rose says:

    fruit cocktail (jello?) @ Whites makes sense.

    Yes Blink thanks for citing the parellels are in the “investigation” (the aftermath, BPD/MCSO suspects and methods). That’/s the commonality. imo JBR began aa a financial (ransom or theft) crime and the coconspirators’ wrongly selected executor devolved it into a sexual sadism crime from which ill gains could not be reaped. Horman’s commonality is the conduct of the investigation and method to pin the tail on a family suspect.
    In Horman both parents had deviant lifestyle histories. I have been taken that a military intelligence wife, posted recently that living near Portland that year, heard from her associates (other military?) biomother had been a “known druggie”. Who knows. But the Horman family is easily distinguishable ftom the Ramseys who were models of rectitude in the community, marriage, and family. The Hormans–each member had muktiple marriages and a myriad of family system problems. Father had few community ties. mother had zilch comminity ties in commin with son.

  18. erose says:

    Blink, Hope you know anyone can compile info, it is your perspective that makes this place so special.

    I humbly and respectfully accept that- which is why I think in such an important case to present my full perspective, I have to present it accordingly. I certainly hope to find the time pretty damn soon, lol.
    B

  19. erose says:

    Blink, What do you think this dinner was really about? Ramsey was an investor in Pasta Jays and his current and ex (disgruntled) employees have dinner together their.

    snip>

    Paugh thought: Tom Carson 12-18-1996 at Pasta Jays was murder mystery dinner with
    Mike Glynn
    Michael Minard
    Jason Perkins
    Cameron Hindson
    The Merricks
    Jim Marino

    http://www.acandyrose.com/s-jim-marino.htm

    http://www.acandyrose.com/s-mike-glynn.htm

    I have no idea erose.
    B

  20. Rose says:

    @erose. I gather you are on Access former employees.
    The 1997 Vanity Fair article paints Ramsey in a poor light for
    his treatment of them-chacterologically like kyron’s biodad.
    excerpts here http://www.acandyrose.com/s-mike-glynn.htm

  21. Rose says:

    hah, erose. I couldn’t see yr link or twould have saved a search.

  22. erose says:

    Sure I am not the first to notice, SBTC (as in the note). If this was the reference, someone knew John very well, or at least his history.

    snip>…John enlisted with the U. S. Navy and was accepted into the Officer Candidate School in Rhode Island after completing officer training, he was transferred to California and eventually to the Philippines for two years of active duty at the Subic Bay Training Center. While John was stationed at SBTC he received his pilot’s wing”.

    http://www.acandyrose.com/1999-BonitaPapers.htm

    I am as interested as you in that aspect. Last week ( in the scant hours) I was studying the ransom note (again). I can’t find confirmation of where that is located in the home. If we are talking about something about as effed up as one can get- I offer the first chapter of Linda Hoffman-Pugh’s first chapter of her publisher rejected book.

    http://someoneisgettingawaywithmurder.blogspot.com/

    B

  23. erose says:

    Linda-Hoffman-Pugh’s first chapter does nothing more than incriminate herself and, or an accomplice or agent of hers. She and the Ramsey’s were the only ones who knew where the swiss army knife was hidden, she knew Patsey’s mom called the Ramsey’s fat cats, she knew Patsey told John to use good southern common sense, she knew Patsey used the word hence, she was one of the few who wound her way around the rabbit maze 22 room house and could find the wine cellar in the basement, she knew the child’s favorite white blanket, she had notes from Patsey on which to practice a ransom note in Patsey’s voice, she had access to the paper and the pens and the financial records stating John’s bonus, she knew everything and she proclaims it!

    So it had a similar chillacious effect on you, did it?
    I hover on the hypersexualization- and the use of the word “exotic” wrt to garotteing JBR. A shit ton of those red neon arrows we are so fond of.
    B

  24. erose says:

    Blink, It’s interesting to kick this around, even if you don’t get to writing about it. So much has been written, it would take new information and a fresh perspective for people who have followed it, and volumes of information to start from square one for those who have not. No small task, where to start and how, not that I wouldn’t like to read it either way. I am sure when the time is right, it will just flow out of you.

    Thank you, lol. It is definitely in the cosmic stew for sure. It doesn’t help that I am pissed beyond articulation at that CBS farce.
    B

  25. erose says:

    If I am not mistaken, the sexual assault was said to have been done with an inanimate object, which I would think would mean the possibility it was done by a male or female.

    I am firm on the DNA profile belonging to her killer, but the ransom note has always screamed paradox to the offender profile.

    That said, I am reminded of a case I worked on years ago- the first sexual assault and murder of a child to include foreign penetration of an object I had ever seen committed by a female offender. Melissa Huckaby.
    B

  26. Rose says:

    I had to look that book thing up.
    http://m.topix.com/forum/news/jonbenet-ramsey/T5QE3O898OMDBIL0Q
    I guess if you are delivering newspapers for a living, you are motivated. Glad she failed. Seems extraordinarily spiteful. Things she “knew,” like the knife and dryer also point to her as a coconspirator imo.

    ikr?
    I am particularly interested in how they met in the first place. She definitely made $$ in various forums (and never paid the taxes on any of it) and I have not run across anything that leads to me believe any connection could have been ruled out absolutely. Bizarre.
    B

  27. Rose says:

    From Patsy’s pov her background lent itself to thinking a white cleaning lady a coup. I would have been interested to know if she hired from a friend & Pugh sought an introduction for further work. But I thought I read somewhere she was with a group of 3 from one of those one stop a week cleaning services and Patsy decided she needed more than that and asked her to increase her days, working alone. I”m crass but suspected it was a nonhispanic, nonblack choice. Anyway she coukd’ve worked in this residential area as a scout for a criminal group.

    Yes, I heard like a Merry Maid scenario and then 18 hrs per week. You know me a long time Rose- I am not one to put my concerns out there preliminarily. This woman concerns me greatly and I am not at all satisfied the potential for her involvement has been excluded thoroughly.
    B

  28. erose says:

    Re: CBS. Watching A&E “The Killing of JonBenet: Her Father Speaks.” Dr. Leon Kelly, Forensic Pathologist, Colorado Expert on Strangulation destroys the police case with his finding of JBR’s defensive wounds. There is an expert panel that concurs. They refute the ligature as staging. When that is coupled with the 2008 touch DNA test, it is impossible to come to any other conclusion no matter what suspicions people have about the Ramsey’s. It just comes down to either going along with CBS “who dunnit” theory first perpetrated by LE or the scientific facts presented by the experts in the A&E documentary.

    I did find it the most comprehensive and factual- but I admit it supports my views so there’s that. Fwiw, the only profile suitable for comparison from swabs of JBR nail clippings was her own. I have never seen the actual report or bench notes though to make any other observations.
    B

  29. erose says:

    A&E – Dr. Richard Eikelenboom, DNA Forensic Scientist states donor testing reveals Hispanic, rather than Caucasian background of suspect.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Touch_DNA

  30. erose says:

    The DNA from her fingernails was her own from trying to remove the ligature, but the DNA in her clothes was from an unknown male. Are you saying that DNA is not enough? I thought that profile is supposed to be in CODIS.

    The DNA in this case is solid. There are 2 male foreign DNA profiles (not enough loci for comparison as well) in those clippings I am told they exclude a Ramsey but not the known unsub in CODIS so they may be an additional match. 3 Locations, one comingled with JBR blood as a result of vaginal trauma from the assault, on 2 separate garments.
    B

  31. erose says:

    snip> (not enough loci for comparison as well) in those clippings…

    Ok, I get your point. I don’t think they would find any DNA in the nail clippings, if they could, because she was so little I don’t think she tried to hurt her attacker, she just instinctively tried to remove the noose that was keeping her from breathing, just my o.

  32. Yes, erose says:

    What I meant to say is I don’t think any DNA exists in the cippings other than JBR.
    There does. Foreign male DNA. May match offender profile we know of, but result fell below standard for comparison
    B

  33. erose says:

    So that little girl had time to fight and scratch her assailant. New level of sad.

    http://www.nydailynews.com/entertainment/burke-ramsey-sues-investigator-killed-jonbenet-article-1.2820756

    I cant say if she scratched her attacker, or if (if confirmed) his DNA transferred from the lig she was attempting to remove. I do believe that some of the marks on her neck above the furrow are from her little nails.

    I think that is what pisses me off most about conspiracy theory re her death. I doubt highly those folks can understand just how brutal this childs torture and murder were.
    B

  34. erose says:

    Back to the fruit salad. What does it say about when JBR was killed?
    I have requested it- I cant get (nor would I ask) any expert to even consider an opinion without the supplemental report and its findings.
    B

  35. Meg says:

    Who all had keys to the house? And do you know if it’s true that the hidden spare went missing?

    I dont think we will ever know with certainty exactly who had them- Pugh had 2, and they kept a key under a statue for a while but removed it- I would like to know more about why.
    B

  36. Meg says:

    Did anyone watch the new A&E special last night?

    I watched both so far. I believe #2 was from last week also?
    B

  37. first-time says:

    Meg – it may not matter, as some have reported that several doors and windows were open that night/morning, I believe.
    - – - – -
    Meg says:
    October 10, 2016 at 5:24 pm
    Who all had keys to the house? And do you know if it’s true that the hidden spare went missing?

    I dont think we will ever know with certainty exactly who had them- Pugh had 2, and they kept a key under a statue for a while but removed it- I would like to know more about why.
    B

  38. meg says:

    I wasn’t asking about the keys as an explanation as to how the intruder got in.

    My thought was that the intruder possible had a key or knew where they hid their spare key. And that originally they left the body there because they couldn’t get her out the window. And had planned to make the ransom call and then when they left the house go back and get JBR. But then they were not able to because the Ramsey’s called the police and everyone over. With this theory I lean more towards the intruder being FW or the housekeeper.

    For me, I think the Stanton scream and the PMI (post mortem interval) jibe somewhat. I believe the assault took place in the train room (garotte) and JBR was put where she was because the individual placing her there was familiar with it, made no attempt to cover the crime outside of that- I think what started out as an abduction was aborted and their was never any further intent to remove her body. I don’t disagree the offender may have had a key- but I go back to the alarm. How would he know it was not armed because the only visible panel is at the front door and it is lit in the dark, armed or not.
    B

  39. meg says:

    So then they would most likely need the alarm code.

    I wonder if the house cleaner ‘sold’ here. Maybe that seems extreme but she felt like JBR was already being sexulized so selling her for sex crimes might not seem so bad. From what I understand she needed the money. She knew the house inside and out. And knew Patsy’s writing style etc.

    Also being a cleaner she would be “organized” enough to clean up a crime scene well. Where based on the pictures of the house I saw the Ramsey’s seemed kind of messy/unkept which makes me question if they would be able to clean a crime scene up so well.

  40. searchinGirl says:

    Blink said at:
    September 16, 2016 at 9:52 am

    “Presumptively, scientific evidence is designed to be neutral. If the result was achieved as a standard to be submitted as relevant evidence we must assume (absent evidence to the contrary) the result is valid. I say this because the fact that BPD admitted both DNA profile Distal Stain 0007 and the touch DNA results from two places from the interior of her long johns means that under the memo of understanding signed by BPD for inclusion to the CODIS database as well as the index of submission for unknown subject profiles, under Federal law they have sworn this unsub profile is the perpetrator of the crimes against JBR, period. This is a murder charge so there is no statute of limitations, but technically speaking, a DA could John Doe the profile and indict it- there is plenty of case law out there to support it.
    There can be no disagreement on this point or BPD is violating Federal law, as well as their contract to be able to submit in the first place. A great example of how this was absolutely unclear to BPD is Mark Beckner’s AMA on Reddit (discussed a bit earlier). He completely deleted his A’s- but jumps on after the fact to state that the DNA profile in CODIS must be considered that of the perp.
    Super Brilliant 19 years into it the chief of BPD still does not understand DNA and its usage as evidence in criminal investigation and due process. What the F?”

    It would be just like Mary Lacy to have actually gone for a “John Doe” indictment here…do you think she might have done that?… I mean, Jim Clemente said in a tweet (to Kim Kardashian of all people) “Our hope is to get people to force the Boulder DA to rescind the Ramsey exonerations and let Boulder PD close the case and open their case files.” … trying to read between the lines here but how could that possibly happen?…

    Colorado law has some differences in how they use a gj, and therefore an indictment- namely that an accused would then have access to that transcript to argue against probable cause in the first place. It is much easier to indict the way they use it (imo) but also a much greater risk and the older a case- I could see that being a factor here.

    I think since it is possible that more than one offender is a possibility, it would indicate starting that clock on other possible charges may not be prudent.
    B

  41. searchinGirl says:

    “Our hope is to get people to force the Boulder DA to rescind the Ramsey exonerations and let Boulder PD close the case and open their case files.”

    thank you Blink, do you think Clemente here is saying Boulder DA needs to take the DNA profile out of CODIS?… and what’s with him anyway?…as former FBI isn’t he aware that the DNA profile is attributed to the perpetrator?…I really don’t want the parade coming back to Boulder…

    No, Clemente has no standing to say that. I have zero idea what his deal is except he is suspended from practicing law in NY.

    I hope Dana asks me about this tonight:
    http://blinkoncrime.com/2016/10/18/special-guest-on-tonights-live-the-dana-pretzer-show-tuesday-october-18-2016/

    B

  42. searchinGirl says:

    Good show Blink… if only more people were willing to talk about the intruder(s)…I know im not alone but I would like to see him caught because who knows what the perp might be planning for the 20rh anniversary?

  43. erose says:

    searchinGirl, I hoped you listened to Blink’s podcast because, if I have this right, when that profile was entered into CODIS, that act legally proclaimed that JBR was sexually assaulted by a person that has yet to be identified, a perpetrator (therefore could not be her family members).

    Anyone fighting that, IMO, does not want to face their theory of a familial murder was wrong and further does not want to progress this case. A hit on CODIS would be, as someone said, would be serendipity.

    searchinGirl says:
    October 18, 2016 at 11:34 am

    snip>

    thank you Blink, do you think Clemente here is saying Boulder DA needs to take the DNA profile out of CODIS?… and what’s with him anyway?…as former FBI isn’t he aware that the DNA profile is attributed to the perpetrator?…I really don’t want the parade coming back to Boulder…

  44. searchinGirl says:

    thank you erose…I did listen to Blink’s podcast (she’s great) and I get what she says about the profile being in CODIS attributed to the perpetrator … but I’m pretty sure nobody in Boulder has yet made that legal proclamation in so many words… at least not in public.. Garnett the current, DA is pretty tight-lipped when asked about JonBenet but does speak of a difference in leadership between himself, Lacy and Hunter… what I don’t get is Clemente, the CBS show, and why, as a former FBI profiler, he would sacrifice Burke like this…based on scatology and grimaces he is making Burke a new age Joker…it’s outrageous and disgusting…

    I listened to a podcast Clemente made on this subject with the Criminal Minds casting director and he made a big point of distinguishing “their show” as a real investigation as opposed to the “other shows” merely rehashing old information, replaying old footage, etc… I wonder if he thinks that is a legal defense for defamation? … and I can’t understand why he thinks we should pressure Boulder Justice into letting them have at the files to bolster their “profile evidence” like it’s a proven science that he created… he can’t possibly think he is progressing the case…

    Hi SG-

    Mark Beckner was forced to admit the importance and the legal implications of the DNA in CODIS after his redditt AMA. What is astounding to me is that apparently it had to be explained to him, and well, wth goes on an AMA and then deletes it all? Par for the course for BPD previously. But I would agree with you anyone not in support that someone other than a Ramsey committed this crime does not want to hear it. Clemente is feeling the heat, as of earlier this week all “the case of JBR” files from the podcast were removed from the site and they will now only feature new cases… I trust that needs no explanation. I also recently read an article where Clemente allegedly has a vast knowledge of former serial killers and their quasi behavioral constructs (my words) so as you listened to the podcast, you get how that continues to bother me. If that is true, than he is apparently seeing things in stark conflict with the very training he claims as background to be able to even investigate this case. I call BS.
    B

  45. erose says:

    How does this revelation negate Lacy’s exoneration of the Ramsey’s?

    snip>

    The Boulder Daily Camera, in conjunction with Denver television station KUSA-TV, said the results an outside laboratory conducted on DNA found in the slain girl’s clothing contained genetic markers from two people.

    http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/dna-cited-to-clear-jonbenet-ramsey-family-in-murder-in-question-report/ar-AAjxHxs?li=BBnb7Kz

    I am so glad you posted this. First of all- I am NOT a fan of any reporter citing expert and scientific reports without providing them in support- who does that? Im supposed to take their word? No ma’am- and neither should anyone else. I still am unclear on the allegation- and it appears to me it doesn’t change the fact that the profiles match each other?
    B

  46. erose says:

    Finally got to watch “JonBenet’s Mother: Victim or Killer” which was on Saturday (LIFEHD). It was disclosed that the touch DNA on the pajama leggings was on the waist band, obvious place to touch leading to a sexual assault. Not sure if you had said that already Blink.

    Also, because TH reads on Kyron’s thread, I didn’t want to post the story of the Texas girl found in the well there. The only relevance would be search locations.

    http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/relative-texas-girl-kayla-gomez-orozco-jailed-body-found-article-1.2862325

  47. searchinGirl says:

    not sure really why I’m posting this link except every time I look at the story there it causes a slow burn in me…”the Story Behind the Scoop: DNA in Doubt”… it must be awards season… “these two reporters renewed public intrigue in the cold case and prompted experts to call for a new direction”…

    the article is actually an announcement for an event in Denver taking place tomorrow night for “anyone who has an interest in justice” … I would go except it’s not so safe in Denver anymore at night… and likewise, it also wouldn’t be safe for me to go there and ask how their story changes the science of the DNA in CODIS?

    this makes me sad…too many people believing they are searching for the truth when in fact they couldn’t care less…

    http://denverpressclub.org/news/post/story-behind-the-scoop-dna-in-doubt

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