Blink On Crime Kyron Horman Investigation EXCLUSIVE: Terri Horman Friend DeDe Spicher Breaks Her Silence After Passing Polygraph- Requests DA Clear Her Publicly

A Blink On Crime Exclusive: DeDe Spicher speaks for the first time about her ordeal in the Kyron Horman investigation.  ©

S. Christina Stoy, Editor In Chief- Blink On Crime

Lea Conner,  Attorney- contributing editor, and, legal analyst


DeDe Spicher


In the days following the disappearance of 7-year-old Kyron Horman from the Skyline School on June 4th, 2010, Terri Horman’s inner circle of friends, family and associates—casual acquaintances, shop clerks, and gym employees—were deluged by law enforcement.

Word spread quickly that law enforcement was after anyone who knew, might have known, or had any dealings with Terri Horman. The term used to describe law enforcement’s behavior toward potential witnesses was “bullying. ”

As the president of her former condominium owner’s association, DeDe Spicher was involved in helping the association with litigation against the condo’s builder. Spicher had a working relationship with the association’s legal team, and one afternoon, she casually mentioned the investigation into Kyron’s disappearance to the association’s legal team. Although DeDe had not been contacted by law enforcement, counsel for her condo association recommended to DeDe that, in light of what DeDe had heard about the investigation, if law enforcement were to contact her, she should agree to interview only with counsel present.   She asked the attorney to sit in if that happened,  to which he agreed.  He quickly referred Spicher to attorney Chad Stavley.

With a search warrant in hand for electronic devices only, to which DeDe directed investigators, law enforcement proceeded to search her entire home. Multnomah County Detective Keith Krafve asked Spicher to answer some questions.

DeDe said she replied, “I would be happy to answer any and all questions you have but I would like to do so in the presence of counsel. ”

Law enforcement, in turn, began a prolonged and highly orchestrated effort to bully DeDe Spicher.

When I first introduced myself to Ms. Spicher, I offered my apologies for what she had been through and told her that in my personal opinion, she had been unfairly maligned, if not persecuted. I thanked her for her trust of me to tell her story. Ms. Spicher paid me some kind compliments on my coverage of Kyron’s case to date.

I found her extremely bright, animated and witty, with a charmingly confident , and self-deprecating sense of expression.

I also found Ms. Spicher to be very naive, even now, as to the standards, protocols and practices utilized by law enforcement.

I can’t say that I blame Ms. Spicher for trusting law enforcement so blindly.  The fact is, she grew up around law enforcement but saw very little about the actual workings of an investigation. Ms. Spicher is the daughter of a well-respected—now retired—deputy with the Klamath Falls Sheriff’s Office.

At times, I found myself questioning if I would be able to exhibit the sort of resilience this woman has. Probably not.

I found DeDe Spicher to be unwavering as to her account of events on June 4th, 2010, and ensuing dates.

It was only a few weeks ago, during a meeting with MCSO detectives Mark Herron and Keith Krafve , investigators  unofficially cleared DeDe Spicher of any involvement in Kyron’s disappearance or of having any knowledge of anyone elses.  She is hopeful that Multnomah County District Attorney Rod Underhill will issue a public statement from his office clearing her officially.

To date, neither the Multnomah County Sheriffs Office nor the DA’s office has publicly declared any persons cleared in the active investigation.

DeDe is adamant that she was not involved, nor did she ever see anything that led her to believe Terri Horman was involved.

DeDe spoke freely and without hesitation as to the relentless harassment she experienced at the hands of law enforcement.

However, DeDe is adamant that she does not want this piece to express any sort of “pity DeDe” perspective. She does not want anyone to feel sorry for her.

DeDe hopes that by speaking publicly, the public’s curiosity will be satisfied, and the focus of the investigation into Kyron’s disappearance can return to an actual investigation.

This is her story.


In Her Own Words

“. . . On a positive note, I have met some really nice people out of all this, so that’s how I choose to look at it. I can’t control other people’s actions or opinions about me…”

“I did not know anything’ I never knew anything ;and I could not get them (law enforcement) to believe me for over three years. ”

“. . . Since the investigation started, I believe they were able to narrow the time I was supposedly missing [never was, never left the property] but they never shared that with me and have not to this day. . ”

“. . . There was no communication between Terri and I since her birthday party in March [2010], and we had only been in touch the December before that [in 2009]. Terri and I were not best buds. I think that was something investigators were really hung up on. They could not understand that I would rush to someone’s aid that on the surface was a more casual friend. They saw that as behavior of someone that had something to hide, or as a motive of some kind…”

What investigators believed that motive was, they certainly never shared with DeDe Spicher.

No Reid School Alum

Investigators pummeled DeDe from the very start: You were missing at the same time that we can’t pin down Terri Horman’s whereabouts. Why did Terri pick you up? Did someone else pick you up and bring you back? We know you left the property, we have proof.

These are questions demanded from DeDe Spicher over and over again, for three straight years. No matter what she did to try to accommodate law enforcement–and she and her attorney Chad Stavely went through extraordinary means by any standards to assist law enforcement–investigators refused to believe she had no knowledge of the circumstances of Kyron’s disappearance. Until now.

DeDe Spicher’s story has never wavered.

DeDe arrived at her job at Westwind Farm Studio–a sprawling and lush forty-plus acre property scheduled to be on the Garden Conservatory Tour the next day. She parked at the main house, left her cell phone which was turned on, and her lunch cooler in her Ford Explorer.

She went inside the main house to check in for her assignment, and for the first time since working there, she was invited to lunch with the others at the house. There was no time set. The invitation was open-ended and she believed based on the timing of her project completions at the opposite end of the property. This was Spicher’s customary daily routine. Her duties in preparation for the garden tour took her to the end of the grounds for the bulk of the morning, near the road. Where she was working, bent over in tall grasses and vegetation is not visible from the main house.

Spicher was not wearing a watch nor carrying her cell phone, and headed to the house for lunch after completing work on one section of the property. When she arrived, she was told that Ms. Hockensmith tried calling DeDe’s name outside when everyone was ready for lunch. When DeDe did not respond and could not be seen from the main house, Ms. Hockensmith also called DeDe’s cell phone. Spicher said she apologized and explained her project’s location and status, and then sat down to eat.  DeDe resumed her work day to completion. Her cell phone records confirm this account.

On  one occasion, at the request of law enforcement , Spicher agreed to walk the property and demonstrate her activities that day. During one reenactment,, a female investigator attempted to mimic Hockensmith’s “lunch call” while Spicher was out near the property line. Spicher heard the investigator’s call.

“I heard that person that day. They never told me where she was standing, I just know I could not see her which is easy to do if you saw the grounds. I don’t know why I never heard the property owner that day except to say I try to be very mindful when I am working, and gardening is a love of mine I tend to immerse in. It was the first time I was invited to lunch and was looking forward to sharing the meal on break. Had I heard her, I would have stopped immediately and headed in. It was a nice treat. ”

It sounded like an innocent explanation. I asked DeDe why investigators did not believe her.

She responded: I was repeatedly questioned, hounded,my home and belongings were taken and searched for some time. Law enforcement kept telling me in interviews I agreed to participate in, by the way, that the only way to clear myself was to take a polygraph, which my attorney advised me not to.  Since I had been told by Terri that she was told she failed when she was adamant that she was being truthful, I had no desire to be set up like that. I do not know to this day if Terri actually failed any polygraphs or law enforcement just told her they did. I know that once she told me that [investigators claimed she failed her polygraph], my advice to her was that she should not speak to anyone without an attorney, but she continued to ignore it, I think for a few more days. As I recall, I don’t think I was the only person or friend telling her that.

Editors Note: has been able to confirm through an independent source which does not wish to be identified publicly, that Terri Horman was referred to her criminal defense attorney Stephen Houze via a family friend and attorney located in Bend, Oregon. Subsequently, Kaine Horman requested a search of the Bend attorney’s property, and indicated that Kyron may have gone there.

It was either completely naive or bold for Spicher to submit to a polygraph under those conditions. She was, by her own account, telling the truth, and then being punished for it.

However, investigators were adamant at “proving” a theory that Spicher left the Westwind Farm. I asked, “Considering there is absolutely no communication between you and anyone else, and you are working on a 40-acre farm on this day, wouldn’t it be true that the theory had to be that. . . ? ”

Spicher interrupted: Yes, that Terri swung by and picked me up for some reason, or some other unknown person. ”

The problem with that theory is that it required another person who was not at the farm to know where Spicher was working that day come meet her, without being seen by anyone else, and without communication with anyone else.

Spicher: “On several occasions,I reminded investigators that there was a witness to where I was working on that property on June 4th 2010, which I surmise would complete whatever timeline holes they thought I had. This has never been released publicly, but there was also an artisan show/market sale on the property the next day. There were a few vendors in and out of the property that day, but I remembered one specifically while I was working near the road that morning. I was there when he dropped off his pots/pottery and whatever else he had to show or sell. ”

The artist/driver who delivered his pottery was in his late twenties to early thirties and drove a red pick up. .

Stoy: So law enforcement knew that there was a witness from day one, that could corroborate your logistics on the property and approximate timing, is that correct?

Spicher: YES!I did not know the man’s name or the name of his creations or anything, and when I asked law enforcement for the information to provide my attorney they refused to even say if they spoke to him, or if they had, if they were now satisfied I was where I said I was and at what time. They declined to provide it to my attorney as well, and by that time Ms. Hockensmith had an attorney as well so I was not permitted to just call and ask her.  I even went to the Saturday market a few times to see if I could locate him myself.

Stoy: Why did Ms. Hockensmith need an attorney if you know?

Spicher: I assume it was because all kinds of people were showing up at her property and pounding on the gates, etc. She was hounded by the media for weeks, and all because she gave me a job. I was horrified for her. All because of me.

Stoy: Was there any connection between Hockensmith and the Hormans?

Spicher: Not that I am aware of, they were on completely different socio-economic levels and their kids went to a French American School, not Skyline. I would not even know where they would bump into each other.

Stoy: Has anyone ever mentioned to you whether Hockensmith hired Rudy Sanchez at any time?

Spicher: No. Did she?

Stoy: I am going to need to check my archives on that one, I thought so but I could be confusing her with a different property owner.

(Editors Note: Hockensmith’s friend and fellow farm-owner Jean Ann Von Krevelen did hire RS Landscaping Maintenence. DeDe Spicher was interning with Ms. Von Krevelen, and was referred to Maryellen Hockensmith to work on her property. It was not to be a paid position as Ms. Spicher was willing to ‘work for her sweat” to learn all she could at the time. Spicher said she has never met Rodolpho (Rudy) Sanchez nor has she observed him on either property. )


Frink or Fink- You Decide

So how does a casual friend such as Spicher become elevated to Terri Horman’s lifeline to the outside world, only to turn into the number two suspect in a de facto criminal investigation of Terri Horman?

Frink-in’ thinkin’.

Norman W. Frink, longtime chief deputy district attorney for Multnomah County, was former District Attorney Mike Schrunk’s right hand man. While no longer in office and the DA assignments to Kyron’s investigations are new,there are strong reverbations from the previous administration.

Stoy: You mentioned that law enforcement accused you of wasting their resources and distracting the investigation. In what way did they mean or how did they explain that to you?

Spicher: First it was Chief ADA Norm Frink who said I was wasting their time and resources by not “cooperating,” by which he meant “take their poly[graph]. ” That was just a couple of days before news first broke about my “involvement,” and was all part of his blackmailing me.

Stoy: How do you mean blackmailing you,the DA? Frink?

Spicher: Yes. We were in a meeting/interview and. .

Stoy: Was your attorney present?

Spicher: Yes. Sitting right there. Frink said that we do not think you had anything to do with this, but we do think you have information about Terri Horman’s involvement, and we do think she is involved. Either you take our polygraph, or provide the information we believe you have, or, I don’t care, we will tell the family that we do think you’re involved.

Stoy: What was your response?

Spicher: I said that I understood the need for them to do what they had to do, but that I was not going to tell them something that was not true.  I did not really expect them to say something they knew to be false. They did. The next day, my name was released to the press by Desiree Young and Kaine Horman.   It was a statement about me not cooperating and I think advising others not to or words to that effect.

Stoy: I am not sure I even know how to respond to that, or if I should during the interview. For me, that is tantamount to telling you that were looking at facing an indictment of your own. I think a reasonable conclusion by someone in your position would have been that you could expect to be arrested for something they knew you did not do, regardless of what it was, to further a case that they seemingly had no evidence in.  Again, I find you courageous to have ever had another meeting with any law enforcement officer or DA in this case. I think it would have been very, very easy to say, “Eff this. They are not going to find Kyron with anything I have to offer because I do not know anything, and they are not going to find him by putting words in my mouth against anyone else. I need to protect myself. ” You never did that. Courageous.

Spicher: Thank you, but I really don’t feel courageous.  To me courage is when one does something for which they have a great deal of fear.  Mostly, I haven’t been afraid, which is what pissed law enforcement off from the very beginning. The one time I was afraid was after the ADA tried to blackmail me and I began to realize I might have to live in a world where the truth didn’t matter. I was not courageous at all in facing that fear.

Stoy: I am not an attorney but based on what you are telling me I don’t see how that is construed as anything but blackmail. He unilaterally gave you 2 choices. Both of which were in contradiction to your 5th amendment rights considering he was ready to make a public criminal allegation about you- does not matter to whom it was.

On the following day, July 22, 2010 Norm Frink made good on his threat to DeDe Spicher.

From The Oregonian, Maxine Bernstein

In a statement late tonight, Kaine Horman and Kyron’s mother, Desiree Young, and Desiree’s husband, Tony Young, said they had been briefed by law enforcement and believe Spicher is hampering the investigation. They implored her to cooperate.

“She has not only been in close communication with Terri but has been providing Terri with support and advice that is not in the best interests of our son,” the statement said. “Additional information provided shows that she is refusing to cooperate with law enforcement, she is also going as far as to suggest to others that may have information regarding Kyron’s disappearance, not to cooperate as well. ”


In one fell swoop DeDe Spicher was the Richard Jewell of Portland, courtesy of Norm Frink.


Nothing grand about the grand jury

Dede Spicher was called before the first grand jury in July 2010. She was never asked any questions. I asked her if she had any information on that grand juries status and whether or not a true bill was sought, sought and denied, suspended, or dismissed.

Spicher: I don’t know any of that, but I believe that it was an election year and it was all DA strategy. I think they called me to scare Terri Horman and maybe Rudy Sanchez.

Stoy: Why do you say Rudy Sanchez? He testified as well, so that has a layer of at least limited use immunity and for all we know he had a separate agreement for what is called transactional immunity. I have no information on that though, he has never responded to my requests for interview.

Spicher: I don’t know, I just know that he is who Terri felt was involved.  His name never came up until Terri was asked who had been on the property that was not a friend or relative.

DeDe was again subpoenad to appear before the grand jury on July 10, 2013. She felt that it was her impression that law enforcement and the DA were running out of time due to the civil suit and divorce case, and she read that the grand jury was extended for 6 months previously and about to expire.  At the time, the civil case Desiree Young filed against Terri Horman and has since withdrawn was about to resume.  A stay had been granted in November 2012, a month before  a scheduled hearing to compel further deposition of Spicher in that matter.

DeDe assumed that what she did not know might, potentially, help the investigation by potentially shifting focus away from red herrings as to her knowledge of events.   The problem now for Spicher was that the prosecutor had already demonstrated to her that it was not above using almost any means or tactics,  and at the time she had concerns that even her own lawyer believed she was telling the truth.   Stavley advised her to tell the truth, tell everything she knew.  She did, repeatedly.

Stoy: So,  you get a subpoena once again to appear before the grand jury.  Detectives are telling you to your face they do not believe you.  The prosecutor [Frink] has demonstrated he does not believe you.   According to what you have shared with me so far, you question if your own attorney believes you.   How lonely of a place was that?  I think most people would have been completely terrified.  How did you cope with your fear?

Spicher:  You know I was terrified.  It seemed like every time law enforcement would ask me for something,  I would provide it, and it was like a fresh new hell each time.  It was not going away.  I could not even read about the case or discuss it with anyone other than my parents because it was absolutely clear to me that the public now believed I was the obstacle to either solving the case or arresting Terri to solve the case and/or find Kyron and I knew that to be false.   The truth did not matter to anyone.  I was told this so often I began to even question myself.   I won’t forget a conversation I had with a detective about whether or not I was unconsciously suppressing information I did not know I had.  I mean, imagine my response to that.  I said, well if I am suppressing something, then I think that means I have to wait for it to enter my conscious by way of my subconscious and if and when it does, I would certainly let you know.

Stoy: So what were they suggesting?  Hypnosis?

Spicher:  No.  Although I am not sure I would not have preferred that.   My attorney had advised against taking a polygraph.  I believed Terri back in June 2010 when she said she was telling the truth and they told her that the lie detector test was saying she was lying and I also knew that even if I agreed to it, that law enforcement was under no obligation to tell me if I passed or failed and even if they did tell me, that I COULD trust that information to be correct.  For me, it was not going to be an end to this because I knew that I had been telling the truth and that was not what anyone wanted to hear so what was verifying that going to get me?   It was more like the potential beginning of a fresh new hell.

DeDe absolutely believed that her impending grand jury appearance was designed to  result in her facing some sort of charge for something that investigators believed would lead  her to ultimately implicate Terri Horman in Kyron’s disappearance.  In fact,  she was told that what was an honest tax mistake/error on her part after she ended up being paid a nominal amount by Mrs. Hockensmith but never received a 1099, could end up placing her in hot water.  The Capone tactic for a woman that took the job with the understanding that it was not a paid endeavor and when Ms. Hockensmith told Spicher she wanted to compensate her she declined.  Hockensmith insisted.

On this basis, DeDe was advised to and agreed to an immunity deal.   The terms of which are under seal and Spicher nixed discussing citing a verbal agreement she made until such time as it is unsealed.

A source inside the investigation who does not wish to be identified as they are not authorized to speak publicly on the case- has confirmed that Spicher’s agreement includes provisions that she continue to cooperate with law enforcement as needed, be available to testify in any proceedings, and to take a polygraph.

Spicher declined to say to whom she committed to not discuss the agreement but that it also included neither party discussing that she had testified before the grand jury.

It would appear that Ms. Spicher is the only one keeping up her end of the bargain as Attorney Rosenthal announced publicly that DeDe Spicher had testified-  a fact that to this day she has no idea how he came by that information.

Spicher appeared before the grand jury for five and a half hours on July 10, 2013.

Because grand jury proceedings are secret, and the DA, grand jurors, and state court personnel are barred from discussing the goings on, the only person who can speak to a witness’ testimony is the witness.  In this case, the grand jury witness is DeDe Spicher.

Stoy: So before we get into the particulars, could you sum up those hours in the room at all- would you compare it to the civil deposition you endured by Desiree Young’s attorney Mr. Rosenthal?

Spicher: (laughs) No. It was far more comprehensive. I am referring to the civil deposition.

Stoy: When asked about your weight, you were far more reserved and eloquent than I would have been. . . . If someone asked me my weight at a deposition, I would have said I did not know but would be glad to sit on him and let him guess.

Spicher: I know, right? Not me, I am direct, I had nothing to hide, and I was not intimidated in the least.

Stoy: So without telling me what questions you were asked specifically, what would you characterize as your testimony ?

Spicher: They were obsessed with my sexuality. Was I a lesbian,what were my thoughts on homosexuals: Did I ever have a threesome with anyone, with Kaine and Terri, etc. I was thinking if I were a juror, I would be like, what does this have to do with anything? I answered every question respectfully and honestly but my takeaway is that some folks still have a hard time believing that I would rush to a friend’s aid if we had not been in contact, or particularly close in the first place. I responded that when your friend texts “I need you now,” I got in my car and headed over there. There was never a question in my mind. Even if I knew that everything that happened to me over the last 3 years would happen all over again, I would do the same thing today. That’s what friends do. I also testified when it was clear that sentiment was not shared by some, that I certainly was hopeful that they never needed a friend “immediately”.

Because of the travel time ,Spicher requested that since investigators wanted to give her the polygraph in Portland, that they schedule it for the day after the grand jury. It was easier for her to extend her time in Portland than to have to return again. They agreed.

Upon arrival, although Spicher was prepared for, and extended her visit to take the polygraph as committed, she was told that they had decided that because she was on the stand for such a grueling afternoon the day before that they never want to give anyone a polygraph after such an experience- as it might skew the results. She made a mental note that they had told her previously that one’s emotional state and exhaustion level are taken into consideration in a polygraph. In other words, while investigators were telling her Terri Horman previously failed her polygraphs, and she asked them if that could have been due to the fact that she went through hours and hours of interviews just prior to the exams, investigators now had a different story.


Herron Hamster Wheel

Mark Herron and Keith Krafve began the  interview the same exact way they had for years.

“We still can’t seem to put together the right timeline from when you were at the property. ”  And on again it went. Spicher continued the interview as she had agreed to, but informed them that if this was her time use that to perform the polygraph they would need to travel to Klamath Falls on their own dime.

They did just that. DeDe Spicher passed the polygraph administered by the same Gresham sheriff’s deputy who administered the polygraph exam to Terri Horman.  Spicher says in particular, Mark Herron was jubilant. She said it was like a party atmosphere. Spicher was verklempt:

‘Well, I am happy that you are happy, I guess, but the thing is, I have been telling you the same thing for three years so I guess I am just happy you’re happy ”

Herron went on to blame Spicher for the thousands of hours, and dollars that her refusal to take a polygraph cost the investigation. Then, they asked to speak to Spicher’s attorney privately, outside of her presence.  She agreed.

After a few minutes*, they called Spicher back in and asked for her permission to meet with her privately without her attorney. Spicher and her attorney agreed.

Krafve starts by telling her: We are so glad you are on the team finally. This is such a big step in this case and you are really one of us.

Then, the hook.

We asked to speak to you without (your attorney) because we would like you to participate in a sting against Terri. We can’t ask you in front of counsel, and you cannot tell him what we said because he will then be obligated to make some calls as a member of the bar and all that.

Spicher asks if she can at least discuss it with her dad, a retired deputy with the Klamath Falls Sheriff’s Office. Herron said she could, but that he could not discuss it with her attorney, either.

Spicher told them it was 10: 00 PM , and reminded them that she has not had any contact with Terri since July 2010. Spicher told investigators that she was not comfortable with the proposal and would definitely need to sleep on it. They told her they would follow up with her.

Stavley, presumably uncomfortable with law enforcement’s request to meet with this client without him, asked Spicher to tell him what the meeting was about. She told her attorney that it was something they told her she could not tell him and that she wanted to get out of there and discuss it later. Stavley said he was not at all comfortable with that arrangement, and within hours Spicher told him that law enforcement wanted her to participate in a sting operation.

It was not until last week that Detective Krafve contacted Spicher directly to follow up on their request for DeDe Spicher to participate in a surreptitiously recorded sting where she was to call Terri Horman, and at the direction of law enforcement, read from a prepared agenda to include coaching by them.

Spicher declined.

To Be Continued…

* Edit to reflect changing the word twenty to “a few” for accuracy.  9/11/13 4:43 PM EST

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  2. Rose says:

    @grasshopper. nice effort , but imo WW is writing on macro issues & gets to specific cases (ie this abduction) as hooks to a larger theme. that is abduction would only be looked at as 1 of several examples if tackling a broader issue child sex trafficking, violent crimes by illegal immigrants, or something.
    I see no indicia WW is taking on PPS’ systemic weakness (probably bcz no cure is out there as an alternative), or police investigatory corruption. But, stuff like the Horman divorce war is not their cuppa.
    Blink said from the beginning this was a sexually motivated abduction and Kyron was likely no longer with us. Since he was not found initially within the usual radius, I wonder if this was one of those bizaros who kept his trophy’s remains?
    As far as RNH’s 21 yr custody/finance docket goes, imo I hope the Court evaluator in light of Kristian’s comments gets background on both sets of grandparents and explores what both have to offer Kiara, as well as their advice, influence/support on both parents’.

  3. Rose says:

    @grasshopper. I wouldn’t call it a circle of corruption, just Portland seems run by a business/social/leadership circle impacting Courts & City Hall, along with other political appointive plums (the route to elective office), as well as the local print media, WW & Oregonian. overlaps in certain venues such as city club (businessmen/adams) & other social institutions including but not limited to a couple synagogues which seem heavyweights.
    (for example Fr/Amer school housed both Hockensmith & Kitzhaber). Not atypical. 90% of print media leadership in DC were in private schools, tho far more diverse in other waterholes. For example, Post leadership was Cathedral schools; other print fought to get into Sidwell school of Presidents progeny. But if a public school boy were abducted, wouldn’t get sustained focus, much less the divorce.
    –thanks for following docket.

    the frat seems popular with erudite boys of Melvin’s generation & perhaps RNH followed dad’s footsteps. like the masons. tho the masons I’ve known (my parent grew up with sibs in a masonic orphanage) were Bapts, Methodists or Presbyterians. Could be it was just the local frat option without the 60s equivalant of pong.

  4. Rose says:

    It seems to me there is de facto political disenfranchisement wrt specifically to OR Judiciary, & public offices such as Sheriff & DA, or say liquor board, which the print media is on board with by silence and by endorsement of anointed ones. In the TX of my childhood, the plum job was Road Commissioner. Still trying to figure out why judges are plum Gov appointments a few montgs prior to election in OR. I can see this modus operandi being applied to the AG Office tho.

    There is a kind of hegemony (“the social, cultural, ideological, or economic influence exerted by a dominant group”, Websters) acted out by timed premature retirements & resignations, followed by appointments to run as incumbents, money, & union support. We see this in every Mult Cty judicial seat & offices such as DA & Sheriff. I recently gather State legislators are unpaid? State legislators are rarely paid much, but spending money to get the job then leaves these duties in the hands of beholden.

  5. Rose says:

    @TRuth. Insofar as I observe, the only Muks boots on ground belong to DA & MCSO

    Overall, the Abduction Of Kyron Horman was Pretty Simple.
    A Stranger goes into well-advertised Skyline event.
    (Plenty lead time & resources on billboard & online)
    Says: Help me carry x in.
    Teacher nods OK.

    All the rest are investigator and pr (info to public) fuckups
    for whatever reason— whether dysfunctional family systems,
    loose cannon self-righteous judges , misguided dogooder
    lawyers (thinking of 2 in separate cases), noninvestigative press, etc

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  7. Venetia says:


    You say you have a hunch that Pitkin is retained in this case as PI-

    Does your hunch extend to who may have retained him?


    Answering that I feel escalates my hunch to sound like I have knowledge and I do not, but I have opined that he may have been retained by one of Terri Horman’s lawyers. Again- no direct knowledge.

  8. nate0419 says:

    September 9, 2013 at 2:21 am
    wrt MC, & Sting to the x power,
    I do not believe it began after KH departed the residence, after
    the RO was issued. I believe MC was inserted for
    that sring purpose long before, before his first “volunteerism” contact
    Hi Rose, I do remember reading Shannon’s website story just the way that you described MC. I have always been suspicious/angry towards MC until recently. I recall that Blink said she did not believe MC was involved in Kyrons disappearance. While that was good enough for me, it didn’t explain away the anger that I felt toward him. I felt he was beyond mean towards Kaine after the sexting thing hit the press. At the time he and another HS pal had set up the first internet site for Kyron. MC abruptly pulled the plug on the site not long after it had got started, stating the site had served its purpose and had referred all people wanting a Bring Kyron Home bracelet to KH, giving out KH’s work email to contact. I never printed out a copy of that site/page but I did write it down, it was as well as KH’s work email. At the time, after scribbling this down I looked at it and was quite ashamed. How could I email a Father to inquire about a bracelet? For me, when a tragedy happens and you rush home to deal with it, you never imagine that you will be returning to job/responsibilities with the tragedy still unfolding. It must have been a tremendous emotional hurdle to get over realizing that life was still marching on and that he had to get back to his job on top of dealing with those bracelet requests at work.
    If TH was sexting MC as reported than she had probably sexted KH throughout the years. It is IMO that KH was in charge of their cell plan and had sent MC copies of his pics manipulating the phone somehow it make it appear that TH was the sender and KH conversed with MC as TH. Time wise, how long would it take for a person to pose, snap and include a note per pic? Multiplied by how many pics? If that were true than Dede would have had an awful lot of alone time to stare at the TV, computer etc. to see herself ripped to shreds for being there. IMO, Dede would have left. MOO

    I would like to point out that those texts occur over days, not all of them were included and technically since they were not in chrono order and some did not include both sides, they would not be authenticated like that in court. Rackner would have been obligated to disclose the source file, which I doubt she had, I think that came from LE as is, if not, she opened up her client to some serious problems which unless she never noticed the gaffs, I doubt she would.

    My point is, DeDe was not privvy to who Terri was texting as I know she was not in the room for any sexual pics, etc. In my conversations with her, she feels it is possible that MC set Terri up through some means, but did not feel he did based on her interactions. That surprised me, but that is definitely her opinion. Has anyone checked with the Oregon bar as to any complaints pending any known counsel in this case?


  9. Tarheel says:

    grasshopper says:
    September 10, 2013 at 12:49 am

    Hunch only- I believe Pitkin is retained in this case as a PI.

    Blink, retained by whom? Thanks.

  10. [...] from BlinkonCrime in an hour long discussion of recent events and interviews in the ongoing Kryon Horman [...]

  11. Rose says:

    I remember that site well and iirc the woman who set it up was one of the girls under scrutiny by LE (and perhaps a “volunteer” plant at the same time (ie, search of home, questioning, batphone business) and iirc was with Intel. I believed it folded due to her desire to extricate herself and at the same time Kaine’s Step Dad set up, and was programmer and webmaster for a new site of same name.

  12. Rose says:

    glad to see the interviewer interviewed,
    but for we tired F5s,
    will Boys in Blue debut at Box Office today as well?

    F5. F5. F5.


  13. Rose says:

    clarification, I did not mean the woman was a plant but that the make volunteer in question could’ve been planted originally with the womens circle close to TMH, including the website/donation lady. A question series for his depo.

  14. Nelmel says:

    You are misinterpreting, but I should have caught it all the same and made sure that it was not.
    Thanks for bringing it to my attention and will address should it come up again, if that is ok with you?


  15. Venetia says:

    @Blink, Thanks for the reply re: Pitkin.
    :) re: your opinion.


    I share your opinion re: the sexts and the manipulation of same.
    Hopefully, there will be another turn in this twisted case- when
    more truth comes to light. I have always thought that the answer/s
    re: SZ will be found in the cloud (read:internet/hackers etal).

    Seems to be no shortage of control-freak types in that neck of the
    woods. They must have a club/fraternity of some sort where they
    share advice and brainstorm.

    RE: MC & – at least we know he has an iphone, FWIW

    @Rose, Well put re: f-ups etal…lol

  16. January says:

    Feeling any pressure Blink? lol, just thinking about you! xo

    I buy my deodorant at Sams. ( Say like Al Pacino in rainman.. Judge Wapner twelve oclock, I buy my shorts at Kmart, Im an excellent driver)

  17. Harleycolt says:

    Are you still publishing today ?

    Yes. Absolutely .

  18. January says:

    Well, that completely answers my question, lol, hang in there!

  19. [...] from BlinkonCrime in an hour long discussion of recent events and interviews in the ongoing Kryon Horman [...]

  20. Sammy says:

    Blink reply @
    September 9, 2013 at 12:15 pm
    It is indeed. For that reason, we are publishing tomorrow, as opposed to today. Appropriate.

    Still on for publishing today?
    The natives are getting restless. :)

    Twitchy F5 finger.

    yes, can I respectfully ask we read recent comments pretty please?

    Interesting thoughts about Pitkin.

  21. RedRose says:

    Miss Bri, or anyone, do you have a link for when Kaine put the button over the front of Kyron’s face on the poster?

    @Miss Bri says:September 9, 2013 at 11:42 pm

    @RedRose- I also wonder if LE is hoping Kaine will let his guard down if he thinks LE is after Terri. A side note on your question about Kaines body language at the presser: did anyone else notice that Kaine put the button everyone was wearing directly over Kyrons face on the tshirt? Always struck me as odd that he did that

  22. RedRose says:

    oops, that clickin’ finger is just way too enthusiastic…

    Does anyone have a link to one the first press conference, when everyone was thinking TMH looked totally guilty? I want to take another look at hubby and see just how he seems to look. TIA.

  23. Rose says:

    thanks to those who just ask straight out, and for the reply.

    I’m wondering in the next piece, forethinking sadly,
    if you mention specific members of mcso
    you posed interview questions directly to & their replies
    (my guess would be a string of no comments).

  24. Miss Bri says:

    @RedRose- Here’s the link to the 1st press conference, which is the one where Kaine puts the button over Kyron’s face on the t-shirt.

    RedRose says:
    September 10, 2013 at 4:40 pm
    Miss Bri, or anyone, do you have a link for when Kaine put the button over the front of Kyron’s face on the poster?

    @Miss Bri says:September 9, 2013 at 11:42 pm

    @RedRose- I also wonder if LE is hoping Kaine will let his guard down if he thinks LE is after Terri. A side note on your question about Kaines body language at the presser: did anyone else notice that Kaine put the button everyone was wearing directly over Kyrons face on the tshirt? Always struck me as odd that he did that

  25. Miss Bri says:

    After watching the press conference again I realized Kaine doesn’t completely cover Kyron’s face, only partially. Still has always bugged me, though.

  26. Rose says:

    @redrose. imo he looked stricken & depressed.
    btw, maybe Terri pinned it on. imo can’t draw inferences
    as to KH based on pinning skills.

  27. Sammy says:

    Blink reply @
    September 10, 2013 at 3:36pm
    yes, can I respectfully ask we read recent comments pretty please

    Of course … Sorry for causing u x-tra work.
    Reading on small phone screen & thought I was all caught up.
    Then, I read your 2:41pm comment/reply to same question right after I hit the “submit comment” button.
    Twitchy finger realized error – but could not edit my redundant question.

  28. T. Ruth says:

    Still claiming innocence, Logan Storm sentenced to eight years in prison on child porn, failure-to-appear convictions

    (snipped, more @ link)

    “What is quite clear to me is that Mr. Storm does not accept responsibility for his conduct for which the properly-convened jury in a fair trial convicted him and made their findings unanimously and beyond a reasonable doubt,” Simon said, “There is no doubt in the court’s mind that the jury reached the correct factual decision.”

    Simon also delivered a strongly worded statement about the harm caused by those who collect child pornography. It is not a victimless crime, he said. He quoted from letters sent by those who, as children, were photographed or videotaped being sexually assaulted and whose images were among those downloaded by Storm.

    “It is sexual torture,” Simon said, adding that victims are forever haunted by the knowledge that pictures of their assault and humiliation are still being viewed and shared for sexual gratification. He also said child pornography possession tends to “validate and normalize” the sexual exploitation of children, which encourages more exploitation.

    He cited specific images found in Storm’s 600-plus collection, which showed very young girls, some of them bound with rope, and being forced into sexual acts with men and animals.

    He also noted that Storm created slideshows that included pornographic images interspersed with non-pornographic images of his students at Stoller Middle School.

  29. Eloise says:

    Blink- what time is your one hour special?

  30. Eloise says:

    Never mind-


    for the visually impaired.

    LOL. Link for anyone who missed it. Boy I hate missing a deadline commitment- could not be helped and you know I would have if I could. Major things going on today and editing could not keep up- is part of the process when you this many moving parts. You’all can F5 me. But we are up tomorrow by noon EST at the latest.

  31. grasshopper says:

    Just got back from the file room. notice the dates. took this long to show up in file. this is quite a doc. this must be what fri is about. shenanigans by the “county” for sure.

    I was adding to this to the end of today’s piece in the wee hours, it fits, but thought since grasshopper went to the trouble, just post it.

    Will reserve my commentary except to say I take it back about the possibility of Bunch moving for recusal.
    No chance with the tort action dismissed. And.. that I had no advance knowledge.


  32. Bumble says:


  33. T. Ruth says:

    Looking back at the last thread:

    “Attorney Rackner’s prior working relationship with the DEA, the very agency that supplied the undercover officer in the failed sting involving Horman landscaper Rudy Sanchez begs the question- Did Rackner use her contacts and/or credentials to facilitate a surreptitious ruse to gain favor for her client in anticipation of his wife’s potential arrest?

    Kaine is on record that law enforcement informed him they had probable cause to arrest Terri. What is not on record, is what came first- the referral to Rackner.

    I just want to do what I can to help law enforcement

    Seems like an odd comment coming from a family attorney with a background as a prosecutor working with the DEA, which agency subsequently becomes involved in the case- or initially led to her representation- the chicken or the egg facts remain unclear.”

    I have a question. Was the truck used in the MFH sting registered to any of Kaine’s attorney’s by any chance? Or anyone from Kaine Horman’s family?

  34. grasshopper says:

    this is the way I understand the new docs: When Terri’s attorneys asked to depose O’Donnell and the DA argued that it was “part of criminal investigation” and information couldn’t be given, because the LE had already given sensitive information to Kaine, Desiree and the media, that information is no longer private. All that Bunch is asking is to have the same information that was given to a civilian, not a protected person (which LE is). The RO was based on information PROVIDED to Kaine in keeping Kiara from her mother for 3 years and when asked to PROVE allegations (which every civilian gets to face their accuser) the RO was dropped and a protective order was put in place (even though the order states it is a mutual thing yet the media didn’t link the document so they could continue their bias). Two women’s lives have been destroyed by false and misleading allegations and Bunch is asking for the information that clears his client of wrongdoing.

    It is what I have been saying all along. Kaine is not LE. They made him an agent of the state inappropriately as a private citizen, have included in motions that he had LE sensitive information they did not want revealed during deposition- that my friends, cannot be priviliged or excluded from a deposition of the very matter such information prompted (IE: the RO). It does not go to the issue of “fault” in the divorce, but you better believe it goes to custody and equitable distribution.

    Again, as I have been saying, if it was a lie disguised as investigative info, well, I would not want to be Mr. O’Donnell or Kaine if he had knowledge.

    Lastly, they are asking for costs, that is a firm indication they will likely get what they want out of this hearing.

  35. sam h says:

    werent the sexts on a phone that mc go from kaine to use during that time?
    @nate0419- after reading your comment, just for fun on my $19.00 phone, i put my name and number in my same phone as a contact and sent myself a text! worked great! i can add any pics in my phone and send them to myself with texts also. if the texts were on a phone that had once belonged to kh and he did indeed have some pics that his wife (tmh) had sent previously he could sext himself easily. the photos would have the origonal phone number they were sent from attatched to them still. i bet if i with no experience can do that, a intel engineer could easily do it! it is enough to cast doubt i bet. it doesnt mean tmh didnt sext mc but wow, can anyone prove kh didnt do it? i would love to read the text parts on tmh’s send and see if the pics seem to match what she was saying or if maybe she texted and then it got pics added. on the other hand i dont want to see those sexts! MY EYES! MY EYES!

  36. T. Ruth says:

    hum·ding·er (hmdngr)
    n. Slang
    One that is extraordinary or remarkable: a humdinger of a blizzard.

    (Dana Pretzer must be more like my age. LOL)

  37. Rose says:

    excellent program, esp Pretzer’s order & Qs.
    DDS seems ” just a good egg.”
    TG she escaped JW & ilk.
    I offer a disordered stream of consciousness re “what I noticed.”

    “Kaine had Counsel before anyone.”
    “Terri had Counsel after everyone” & after 3 alleged failed
    polys, and despite diverse sources urging to retain.
    Only after KH took Kiara.
    PPS personnel lawyered up fast. & shredded info.

    likely the dynamic duo polygraphing (kafvre & herron) didn’t
    expect her to pass the poly, 3 year story unchanged, and didn’t want to
    tell the boss she passed it, so took her out of lawyer’s presence,
    told her she couldn’t inform lawyer, and tried to involve her
    in a sting that was so unrealistic wrt success that it was
    clearly an attemot to try to get her to implicate herself outside of her immunity
    agreement & “past” actions. Imo these are the sleeziest le employees ever.
    But WHERE is their Supervisor’s awareness if same & actual supervision?
    If I were DA, I’d never put these 2 on any stand.

    imo the seductive Herron “you’re on my team; let’s bond” accompanied by
    “Sting proposal” was the ultimate insulting “proposition” made to an
    intelligent single woman.

    What upsets me, wpg, is I have no doubt Herron used this
    used car salesman team-talk, and investigation need talk, to the very vulnerable
    DY! (this time only, ! is mine) Do you doubt for a moment MH enlisted
    DY “to search” using the same team collaborative talk, for a fool’s errand
    just as he tried to enlist DDS & circumvent her lawyer?
    And it all started (the search collaborated with mcso/MH, AFTER
    DY terminated her lawyer retention. Otherwise, he’d have
    been in on any conversations with mcso proposals too,
    like Snavley.

    Imo the dynamic duo had to CYA mid-summer investigation-wise with a
    distraction after DD passed the poly & TH’s attorneys are marching on. DY’s search was
    great media eye candy, yet mcso could also disclaim involvement.

    TY for Tina Fey ref, whom I adore. You sound more like Gilda R tho.

    I don’t get this reporter vs investigative journalist distinction.
    Journalists do investigate, corroborate & confirm.

    Small town papers, like my husband’s parents’ press say “mrs x took the train to grand forks to
    have tea” or mrs y is just back from scotland. My small town press would say x is on
    the honor role, y is named bank president, z has opened trolley motor cars,
    w appeared at the Union picnic & promised pork.

    Most journalists in Portland seem the latter type, small town information providers based on a
    few phone calls. A few, like Jacquiss, serve Portland well by using education, experience, & energy
    to develop & elucidate information, educating readers with facts plus informed analysis.

  38. Rose says:

    earth to F5. please upload tonight.
    Then you can sleep well while we process.

    Hoping also for a Malty appearance.

  39. Rose says:

    Finally, imo the Oregonian’s current staff isn’t up to this story.
    They should bag it. It seems to me locally the best bet
    is a freelance jounalist simply selling professionally
    done update articles.

    It is stringerland for the taking, I agree.

  40. Constance says:

    Kyron’s body could have been left anywhere…alongside a road. In the woods, in water, etc. I am more surprised when bodies are found, then when they are not, especially small ones.

  41. Rose says:

    Finally to the second power, let’s see if the “neutral”
    FB page “Missing Kyron” puts up a link to this
    informative interview & lets “friends”
    who care for Kyron evaluate facts for themselves.

  42. Rose says:

    also, noting, ER eased out DY
    (of his life, of the retention agreement, of the Suit he filed)
    AFTER the GJ testimony, immunity agreement, and poly passed.
    Imo he was blindsided and fortunate to get himself off the hook.

    Sigh, so many posts, I’m starting to feel like Eagle.
    Goodness help me when Pt 2 issues.

  43. T. Ruth says:

    So, okay, where can we find the continuation? Am I missing somethin?

    Nope, behind- can’t usurp legal/edit powers that be. Tom by noon EST by latest

  44. SouthernMom says:

    @blink…Just listened to scared monkeys radio and felt compelled to give you a well deserved and truly heatrfelt thanks again for all you do for Kyron and he other victims who have no ‘audible’ voice!!!

    Prayers for Kyron and his family.

    Thank you- it was all Dana. He did this show this week for Kyron.

  45. Sammy says:

    God bless You Kyron.

  46. Rose says:

    You seriously have no idea, lol.

  47. Rose says:

    Bunch’s most recent filing & the subject of Friday’s hearing
    (courtesy O comments section)'s%20Response%20aug%2028.pdf

  48. Rose says:

    oh my. Bunch’s Response cries out for the quick
    manufacture & backdating of a writing in an investigative file.
    I also learned legal secretaries should turn off autocorrect, ie a machine
    changing compiled to complied changes a legal argument.

  49. Rose says:

    idk Blink. they’re before a Judge who constructs his
    reading of statutes & precedent to fit his desired outcome
    if his appellate reversals are any indicia. And it’s
    reasonable to anticipate he wants another bite at a Federal
    judicial appointment shortlist, ergo can’t alienate the Party by
    unveiling (by allowing depo) the DA Office & Sheriff antics.
    As ER likely discovered, peeling an onion carries inherent
    undesireable byproducts.
    Pity he won’t recuse himself for a seasoned family court judge.

  50. Rose says:

    bringing neighbor forward:

    “neighbor says:
    May 10, 2011 at 12:22 am

    Rose says:
    May 9, 2011 at 8:56 pm
    @ Neighbor. Did LE say to you & yr acquaintance 1) the perpetrator is on the List, or 2) the accomplice is on the List, or 3) Terri H’s accomplice is on the List? Because if it’s 1 or 2, truthfully their Poi’s name IS on the list either directly or as an accomplice, & it was also given Judge M via Kaine’s court filing. But, if it’s no. 3, then the folks here reasonably know someone other than TH was referenced.

    @Rose, let me try to recall. Their profile focused on the 60 man on the list. They found five with significant criminal backgrounds and no solid alibi. However they were covering all bases and checking alibis for all 60 and conducting physiological profiling. He confirmed that LE has been wasting a lot of time focusing on TMH, but did not mention that she was involved.

    Personally, I think she might have set things in motion. Directly or indirectly. She probably knows the ORS (to borrow bj’s term). IMO she keeps this as bargaining chips for when LE comes knocking on her door.”
    neighbor had said LE made comment to her long ago showing back then that the 60 men on the list were being scrubbed from which we coukd’ve inferred at the time it was known Kyron left the bldg with a male.

    (I stumbled on this looking for that old Kavfre case.)

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