Blink On Crime Kyron Horman Investigation Exclusive: DeDe Spicher Interview Yields Allegations Of Illegal Steroid Use Terri Horman Took To Police

A Blink On Crime Exclusive: DeDe Spicher speaks for the first time about her ordeal in the Kyron Horman investigation- continued  ©

S. Christina Stoy, Editor In Chief- Blink On Crime

DeDe Spicher and Terri Moulton Horman


In the first part of’s exclusive interview with DeDe Spicher,  she revealed that after over 3 years of attempting to provide Multnomah County Sheriffs Office as well as Assistant Deputy Attorney Norm Frink with the necessary information they requested to clear her from any suspicion in the circumstances surrounding the disappearance of Skyline second grader Kyron Horman; she has finally been cleared after passing a polygraph as part of her requirement under an immunity deal that has been sealed with the court.  Unofficially cleared, that is.

Spicher and her attorney Chad Stavley,  who have since refused all local media requests,  would very much like the Multnomah County Sheriff’s Office and current District Attorney Rod Underhill to clear her officially and publicly.

Spicher is adamant that law enforcement never had any reason to question her statements to them from the beginning, has cooperated fully for over three years and recently testified before the grand jury to prove she had nothing to hide.  While she would like the public to know that any assertions to the contrary are untrue, and sometimes have been offered maliciously,  her desire to speak out about her experience over the last three years is primarily to force investigative resources to review it’s progress- and hopefully adjust in a way to further leads in Kyron’s case.

As was proven not only by her recent polygraph,  but also by the verification that no evidence ever existed to support investigator’s theory in the first place,  Spicher had no information about anyone’s potential involvement in Kyron’s disappearance, let alone her own.

The continuation of our interview, which provoked some very interesting revelations long felt to be a possibility by many, was confirmed by Ms. Spicher  as she says- told to her by Terri Moulton Horman are prompting new possible theories in the circumstances surrounding the disappearance of Kyron Horman.  Two days after Kyron Horman’s eleventh birthday.

Stoy: So, in your estimation then,  why do you think that detectives Herron and Kravfe were so sure that you were involved or knew who was.

Spicher:  I have thought about this a lot, and I think there were a few reasons.  I think because I was advised through a meeting Terri had with a family friend and attorney that she should assume that all of her communication was being monitored by law enforcement and anyone she had contact with.  He told her to assume the house was bugged as well as vehicles, etc.  I also believe you did an article a while back that pointed out her phone was in Kaine’s name.   As this was a day or two after she was served with the restraining order,  she was also told that

Stoy (interrupting): You bought a prepaid phone after June 28th and never had one before that?  I had read that you or someone else purchased them the day of or the day after Kyron’s disappearance.

Spicher: No.  I purchased one prepaid phone, after Terri shared the info from her meeting, in my own name, either June 29th or 30th.    I think they were hung up on the fact that I came to her aid with no contact for so long so they just were convinced there had to be.

Stoy: ok, sorry, continue.  So you are not saying that LE was suggesting that you were hiding some other number you had and that was how they were alleging that you HAD to have been in contact with Terri or some other person prior to and on June 4th and that escalated your “poi” status in your opinion?

Spicher:  They did not say that to me specifically, but what they repeated over and over again, was that Terri and I had to have had some form of communication we were hiding.  It never made any sense to me because I knew I only had my cell that I had forever until the end of June,  and I knew I had not been in contact with Terri since her 40th birthday party in March.  So I would ask- well then I guess that means that you don’t have any contacts you can’t verify from either of us so why am I even in this “interview”?

To my recollection they never shared with me or answered any of my questions in response when something they kept hounding me about seemed absurd and conflicting with their theory.

Stoy: Which was?

Spicher: At first,  I think that they really believed I was involved,  and at some point I think they were talking more “accessory after the fact” because I got the impression ( although they did not share it with me) that Terri’s cell phone activity that day was nowhere near where I was,  and my vehicle never left, nor did I.  They would not verify that they located the ceramics/glassware artist [pottery artisan] I told you about and still have not.

Stoy: So in your opinion, you were clearly the linchpin of this case,  they [LE] believed you held the key to solving it and/or implicating Terri exclusively at that point, they no longer entertained your involvement per se?

Spicher: I honestly don’t think I could say that I ever believed that they stopped treating me as some sort of suspect.  I never felt that way,  but yes, absolutely they 100% believe that Terri is responsible and I definitely believed we all had to be interviewed and scrutinized or whatever,  but I really thought up until the meeting with Norm Frink that they [LE] would abandon that theory quickly because if they were positive I was the key, and I knew I was not, that would also eliminate Terri, who I did not and do not believe, but have no proof, was involved or knew anything.

Stoy: Right, so if you had nothing, and they felt you were the only nexus, it had to mean that they had no independent evidence of anything or anyone else so they would start in another direction?

Spicher: Right, but every interaction I had with them following and including the request to participate in the sting against her, made me believe they never did.  To get back to the why question you asked me- my final thought on that is that they kept pointing out that I was the person to tell everyone not to speak to them without attorneys in the beginning.    I would ask like who do you mean,  because that would have been my opinion across the board for any situation, but it was definitely based on what was getting out about how they were going about this.  I was scared and it turned out it was good reason.   I also would point out to them that I did not think that was or should be the basis for suspicion because if it was, it seemed to me that I was told that several staff members at Skyline had hired counsel, and Kaine was the FIRST to have one between he and Terri and I had told her at least a week or so before that she should.

Stoy: Why do you think she did not immediately take your friendly advice?  Your Dad was LE, and I presume she knew that.  People can say what they want, but I know many members of law enforcement in different jurisdictions and agencies.  I have worked with them or contributed analysis to cases with them privately [I cannot and would not ever include that in anything I choose to write on] and I can tell you that I do not know one of them that if they were the focus of a criminal probe or internal investigation they absolutely do not agree to an interview without a representative.  In fact,  Herron is or was the President of Mulnomah County Police Union or was, if I recall correctly.  So to that end, I find that a pretty hypocritical reason for suspicion of anyone.

Spicher: (laughs) Interesting.  I am not sure that I knew that. The reason Terri didn’t get an atty before the RO was because she was told by LE that if she did, she wouldn’t be privvy to any of their investigative discoveries, she would be out of the loop in finding Kyron.

Stoy: Have you had a desire or opportunity to review any sort of past events regarding the MCSO, I guess I should add, that involve anyone in this case or investigation you have had contact with?

Spicher: No,  do you mean like any other detectives or that sort of thing?

Stoy: Have you ever met with or been interviewed with any other agencies or detectives?

Spicher:  I believe I either met or just said hello to the guy you mentioned in that recent article of yours while he was at the house.  Both Kaine and Terri were there at the time as well.

Stoy: Bobby O’Donnell?

Spicher: That’s it,  yes, him.  Why did you ask me if I am aware of any sort of events- should I be?

Stoy: Well, I think that tangentially if I were you I would be considering just about everything as it related to what you have been through,  and I am aware of some what I will refer to as “stuff” but what I don’t want to do prior to the completion of our interview process is temper any of your responses with anything I know peripherally if that’s ok with you.  If you wish, once I publish the continuation which will have that sort of information,  I would invite you to comment on it for the record if you choose- are you ok with that?

Spicher: yes, that’s fine and probably a good idea.

Stoy: back briefly to the “sting request against Terri- On that issue- the request they extended to you outside the presence of your attorney and that they asked you not to tell Chad, as you think back ,  considering you have had no communication with Horman for over three years did you believe they thought it would work?  What did your attorney say when you told him?

Spicher: I can’t and won’t address any conversations I have had with my attorney,  but to answer your question as to my opinion,  I really don’t know for sure, I knew that I did not, and thought it was really, really odd- that was my first reaction.  After more thought,  and other conversations,  I don’t see how they thought it would work, or why they were still seemingly convinced after I had just passed the poly, etc, Terri was still their suspect and responsible.   What is your opinion on it?

Stoy:  I think I may reserve my thoughts on that for my piece.  Again, not wanting to temper your opinions  as we move along here and I think that could happen if I did.  Is that ok with you?

Spicher: Sure, thank you.

Stoy: I would like to move on to another subject for discussion.  I would just like to confirm for the record that I have never prior to this interview, asked you any questions about your potential knowledge of steroid use by yourself, or by Terri or Kaine Horman.  Is that correct?

Spicher: Correct, ok.

Stoy: Did they ask you this?

Spicher: Who is they?  You got a lot of pronouns flying around (laughs).

Stoy: Fair point, you’re right.  The good news is, as English, or should I say proper English is my second language (laughs) I use an copy editor.  Allow me to rephrase please.  Did anyone in law enforcement at any time ask you about steroids or other illegal injectable supplements sometimes used in weight training or body building in your interviews in this case?

Spicher:  Your question was did they [le] ask me anything about steroids or anything injectable ever?

Stoy: (laughs) now who’s throwing around the pronouns?

Spicher: (laughs) touche’ .  I was asked about it very vaguely in the beginning, I told them I had never used them, that I did not believe Terri ever did because she and I had similar views against using them and while we were on different supplement regimens when I was training for a marathon in 2008 I still remembered her to be knowledgeable about legal and effective nutritional supplements. I had no reason to believe she had ever used any kind of steroids.  I can’t say conclusively she never did but it would shock me.

Stoy: Why shock you?

Spicher: Because a few years back I recall Terri telling me that Kaine was what she referred to as “juicing”  and that his behavior had become very aggressive and well,  impatient or overeactive with the kids and she had discussed it with him and he ignored her.

Stoy: So for the record, when you say juicing you are referring to illegal steroids, not my Omega specials I make, correct?  That was the only question they ever asked you and did not ask any follow up questions like how long ago, etc, etc.  And so would you characterize the way law enforcement asked that question and their reaction to your response as disinterested, or having nothing to do with the case?

Spicher: I was never asked about Kaine’s use of steroids by either detectives or the grand jury.  But yes, that is what she told me.  I actually had forgotten all about it until she refreshed my recollection when I stayed there with her.  To the best of my memory I was asked just what I said, I answered as I just said and was never asked any follow up question nor was it mentioned again to me by law enforcement .  I don’t think I ever really understood what they did or did not think in terms of my information was important to the case,  but yes,  they were disinterested from my perspective as to it was the only time I was ever asked about it over the course of three and a half years and so my assumption is they still are.  But that is my assumption.

Stoy:  Understood, you are referring to the time you stayed at the Horman home late June 2010 through early July 2010 following Kaine’s  service of the restraining order and her exclusive use of the home?  Spicher:  I am not sure about the exclusive use part,  I didn’t really know anything about how that sort of thing worked and I think for some reason I want to say Terri was not allowed to show anyone.

Stoy: Ok.  Tell me everything you know about that. But, I would like you to see if you can provide me your recollection from what you were told about steroid use PRIOR to your conversations about it that refreshed your memory.  By the way, who else knows about this, if you know.

Spicher: Terri’s attorney Stephen Houze.

Stoy:  How would you know that?

Spicher: Because I helped her load them up, what appeared to me to be syringes in a box and deliver it to her attorney’s office, she said, at his request.   She also located some cancelled checks for what she said was Kaine’s payment for steroids.  I don’t remember who they were made out to but it was not to cash.

Stoy: ok,  understood,  we will get back to that.  I want to try and focus on what she told you those “few years back.”  Do you recall what year, even ballpark.

Spicher:  I want to say, but can’t be sure, it was after her competition in 2005,  and I am tempted to say it was around the time they got married or shortly thereafter- I am just not going to be much help in remembering this if you are asking me to extract what I remembered from then on my own.

Stoy: Nope, that’s what I am asking, your fine,  I don’t want to lead you but let me ask you a few things that may help.  Do you remember where you were during the conversation.

Spicher: I remember it was either the one and only time I ever had lunch with Terri, or it was during a time she called my cell,  Terri had a lot of drama,  and so I was in a Home & Garden Show class and I recall I was saying things out loud to let he know I was not free to talk really or respond as she was talking, so I was saying things like… I don’t know,  we should probably touch base on that when I am done here, or sounds good that we chat on it later.

Stoy: The brush up the other party is not getting, like that?

Spicher:  Yes, she was not getting it and so I was kind of 50% paying attention.  It was either during that call or at the lunch.  Other than that, I am not remembering the timing so well.

Stoy: But you would say a few years before Kyron went missing so based on that 2007 or 2008? Do you remember if they were married at the time?

Spicher: Again, we were friends for a good number of years but not close friends, I almost felt like if she was calling me or talking to me about it she had no other option at the time.

Stoy: Got it.  What did she say

Spicher:  She said that Kaine had been aggressive with her and impatient with the children and she attributed that to his “juicing”.  She confronted him and she felt he did not listen to her.  She told me that she then called a detective and turned in Kaine’s seller.  The member at the gym, I used to know the name but I really can’t recall because I was in the early morning crowd and this guy was more afternoon, I presume when they were there or they saw him.  I had stopped going to the same gym as them ater the first year or two I met them there.

Stoy: So she called a detective to turn in the seller Kaine was buying steroids from?  Wasn’t she concerned about the fact that buying them is also illegal and that Kaine could face charges?

SPicher: She told me that she contacted a detective and said she would be willing to turn over information about someone selling steroids but only if she could do so anonymously and without saying who was buying them, etc.

Stoy: So it was your understanding that she was trying to work out a scenario that would stop Kaine’s use without him ever knowing it was her by turning in that person?  Sort of like…  she gets approval to remain anonymous,  she gives the tip and then one day comes home and says… “Hey honey, guess what I heard at the gym.. you better stop that or you could be arrested for it, etc?

Spicher: Yes, something like that.  Except and again,  we have discussed it at one or both these occasions, but that did not work out.  The detective called her again directly and she was upset that there was further contact.  From what I recall,  I think that was the tone of what she was telling me.

Stoy: Understood,  so you are thinking that it may have been why she was sort of wired about it and not hearing you try to go about your day,  but insisting and venting like she was upset by it.

Spicher: Yes,  I think so.

Stoy: Do you think she could have called you because your Dad was law enforcement and she might need that sort of advice.  I don’t think so because she did not ask for any.  So then what?  Did Kaine find out?

Spicher: I just remember there was some sort of investigation of the guy,  and I really don’t know if Kaine ever found out about it or knows to this day.   If the seller or anyone was arrested or anything else at the time I do not remember,  that was how much I paid attention to it then until Terri reminded me of it.

Stoy: Ok.  Now, why is it that Terri was discussing it with you when you were staying at the house with her in your view?

Spicher:    Because after the restraining order was served and I guess she realized where Kaine was headed,  it was sort of like- if he was going to badmouth her, in her estimation it was false, but anyway, that Kaine had skeletons in his own closet sort of thing.   She told her lawyer [Houze] and she said he instructed her to bring the syringes and the cancelled checks to his office.   We did.

Stoy: So was Terri saying that Kaine was using steroids behind her back and she found this or that she knew and was having sort of the same reaction as last time, or she just learned once he was out of the home or what?  Was she suggesting this to you like it had something to do with Kyron’s disappearance?

Spicher:  I got the impression she did not know, or at least did not know when the last time he was using them was, but it gets fuzzy for me there because it is my belief up until the time the RO was served,  in my opinion she would have tried to protect Kaine from le finding out so I don’t know if she told le,  but it would surprise me.  Terri was always very family centric.  She would protect her family unit, and that is why she did the turning in thing,  this would seem the same to me until he made those murder for hire allegations.

Stoy: So did you get the impression from her that she thought that her allegation of Kaine’s steroid use had anything to do with Kyron’s disappearance?

Spicher: No, not at all.

Stoy: Nothing like, maybe this happened as some sort of retribution against her for turning someone in previously or against Kaine if they thought he was involved because after all she says he was the one buying it back then?

Spicher: No, she told me she had no idea who was responsible for Kyron’s disappearance or why, and the only possibility she came up with after the fact because of his past behavior and the fact that he showed up at her door demanding $10,000 she had no idea what he was talking about, that it was the landscaper.   He was the only person acting like a criminal at the time.

Stoy: Have you ever seen a text of hers involving the custody situation after the fact, after the Rudy Sanchez Estrada “sting”  and she called police twice that day/evening that ended with “mark 1 for the FBI.”

Spicher: I may have, if I did I don’t remember it specifically.

Stoy: She specifically said the FBI,  who has only ever assisted in this case, and who has no jurisdictional presence in Kyron’s case, I was just wondering if you had any thoughts on that.

Spicher: No, I don’t have any idea what she meant.

Is it possible that illegal steroid use or sales and the recent public outing there was an ongoing Federal Investigation with the emphasis on police and gym members that included persons familiar to the Horman’s  contributed to the circumstances involving the disappearance of Kyron Horman?

Has it been excluded by having more law enforcement investigating themselves?


Roid Rumors and Boys In Blue.. Coincidence Or Clue?

It is no secret that Oregon has seen it’s share of corruption allegations in recent years.  The very public and very disturbing account of it’s Governor Neil Goldschmidt’s involvement with a 14 year old girl earned Willamette Week’s Nigel Jaquiss a Pulitzer in 2005 for breaking the story a year earlier.  As a strong argument for the trickle down effect,  Goldschmidt’s former driver Bernie Giusto- who became the Multnomah County Sheriff following the debacle,  was forced to resign his position when a State agency declared they would be removing his police certifications due to his lack of “moral fitness” outlined in the now infamous Giusto Report.   A former Sheriff,   Bob Skipper, was then appointed to take his place, but after two attempts could not pass the required certifications.  The current Multnomah Sheriff Dan Staton, who has since won an election, was appointed in his place.  Several current MCSO officers assigned to Kyron’s case were interviewed for the Giusto report.

In fact,  Bobby O’Donnell was the lead investigator in Kyron’s case for the first 18 months who according to his own words in his interview was the unfortunate subject of an allegation involving his own very messy divorce.

MCSO Sgt Brett Ritchie stated in a police interview that O’Donnell was seen waving a gun and threatening his life [Ritchie] after he began dating O’Donnell’s ex wife. Laura O’Donnell was granted a restraining order against him that later became an agreement between the couple.

The lead investigator in the case of a missing child openly threatened a ranking officer and that incident was never investigated outside of Ritchie being told to stay away from O’Donnell.   O’Donnell’s deposition and his motion to quash it are the subject of a hearing scheduled for Friday September 13, 2013.

There is no question the agency tasked with the investigation into the disappearance of Kyron Horman has had several and more recent embarrassing entanglements.

In another investigative piece by the Willamette Week,  it exposes the egregious overtime paychecks that members of the prosecutors and investigators assigned to Kyron’s case have received during the early months following Kyron’s disappearance.

It is unclear how Multnomah County ever had jurisdiction in the investigation of Kyron’s disappearance. According to the Skyline School’s filed safety and response plan,  the Portland Police Bureau is the agency of record.

Multnomah County’s former woes might have paled a bit in comparison if only by the difference a year makes to public memory, to that of their fellow neighboring officers in Canby, located in Clackamas County.

After several investigations into the selling and possible use of anabolic steroids  a Canby Police officer, which were repeatedly stalled due to his caption  tipping other’s off  in the alleged ring ,  Officer Jason Deason was arrested along with Canby Landscape Supply Owner William Traverso,  Brian Casey Paul Jackson were arrested.  The investigation was believed to be ongoing and Traverso, Deason and Jackson all cut deals for quick prison stints that shocked fellow officers and the public alike.   The specifics of which were sealed by the court.  It is now known that the Federal Bureau of Investigation continued to require the ongoing cooperation of it’s criminals turned informants to pursue federal indictments against possible targets in law enforcement and members of the bodybuilding set- to include acquaintances of Kaine and Terri Horman.

Presuming the confirmed allegations are true- is it possible that ‘a few years back’ Terri Horman unwittingly set off a state turned Federal investigation into the buying, using and selling of human growth hormone and anabolic steroids?  How could this be connected, if it is, to the timing of Kyron’s disappearance even if she had?

“… Jackson,   through a plea deal on state charges in 2009 where he admitted to selling anabolic steroids to Canby police officers in uniform, had been working with the FBI on an ongoing investigation when they confronted him with the knowledge that he was found deceptive on a polygraph designed to indicate if Jackson’s participation was far more extensive then he originally admitted to…”

“…Jackson, with his attorney, began cooperating with federal authorities shortly after his arrest.  He identified his source for steroids as Vancouver resident Rainbow “Bo” Wild Keepers, 39, a competitive bodybuilder and photographer. Agents ran Keepers’ name in federal databases and discovered that an Arizona man had tipped off the Drug Enforcement Administration years ago that Keepers was his source of steroids. Keepers was never charged…”

 On June 3rd, 2010,  approximately 24 hours before Kyron Horman’s disappearance,  Jackson was arrested on a Federal warrant following a sealed indictment issued the day before after failing a polygraph and refusing to help the FBI further.

From the Indictment:

Between June 2, 2005 and May 2008, in the District of Oregon, BRIAN CASEY PAUL JACKSON, defendant herein, did knowingly and unlawfully distribute human growth hormone for use in a human, to a person with the initials B.W., whose full name is known to the grand jury,  in violation of Title 21, United States Code, Sction 333(e)(l).


It has since been revealed that the initials BW stand for Bradley Worden.  Worden owns a few businesses, all relating to wholesale gym equipment or nutritional products.  Worden has never been charged.

 Between June 2006 and June 2007, in the District of Oregon, BRIAN CASEY PAUL JACKSON, defendant herein, did knowingly and unlawfully distribute human growth hormone for use in a human, to a person with the initials N.W., whose full name is known to the grand jury, in violation of Title 21, United States Code, Sction 333(e)(l).


The identity of the person with initials NW is unknown.


Between June 2, 2005, and December 2007,: in the District of Oregon, BRIAN CASEY PAUL JACKSON, defendant herein, did knowingly and unlawfully distribute anabolic steroids, Schedule illcontrolled substances, to a person with the initials G.P., whose full name is known to the grand jury, in violation of Title 21, United States Code, Sections 84l(a)(l) and

841(b)( 1)(E).


The identity of the person with the initials G.P is unknown.


Between June 2, 2005, and June 2007, in the District of Oregon, BRIAN CASEY PAUL JACKSON, defendant herein, did knowingly and unlawfully distribute anabolic steroids, Schedule III controlled substances, to a person with the initials S.B., whose full name is known  to the grand jury, in violation of Title 21, United States Code, Sections 84l(a)(l) and 84l(b)(1)(E).


The initials S.B. refer to Steve Beaudoin,  a former work associate of Jackson’s and current Oregon State safety officer.


According to assistant U.S. Attorney Jane Shoemaker, Jackson sold Beaudoin at least 50 pills of the steroid Winstrol, an injectable steroid called Deca Durabolin, Sustanon and, in June 2007, 100 pills of Anavar on one to two occasions. Shoemaker also said Jackson sold Beaudoin $500 worth of human growth hormone. Investigators discovered the sales through witness interviews and Jackson’s computer records, Shoemaker said.



From Buff To Puff


In contrast to Jackson,  although Traverso also sold to Deason and other members of law enforcement,  William ‘Jake’ Traverso, a former competitive bodybuilder and “Mr. Oregon”  cooperated extensively with the FBI by identifying other law enforcement officers he sold steroids to, and got a lenient sentence of 15 days in jail, 30 days home detention and 24 months probation, with no federal charges.

In a letter submitted to a Clackamas County judge Monday, FBI Special Agent Christopher Frazier said that Traverso has discussed his drug distribution activities in detail. “The public safety employees identified by Traverso included law enforcement officers, corrections officers, fire and rescue personnel and university public safety officers,” Frazier wrote,  “Several spin-off FBI public corruption investigations were initiated as a result of these allegations, and are ongoing.”


Traverso, Deason and Jackson were cooperating with the Feds simultaneously, and in a very public way.  Although Deason had been similarly employed by the Canby Police under Chief Greg Kroeplin, at least one of the raids on Traverso- Deason’s client,  was by Deason’s Canby fellow officer James Murphy.


John Hingson, Traverso’s attorney and past commentator on the Horman case,  sparred with then ADA Norm Frink as well.  Hingson unearthed the report that included Murphy had been demoted following Deason’s arrest and his credibility was called into question.  Murphy worked the graveyard shift with Deason.  The report also revealed that both Deason and Officer James Murphy, who was one of the few to initiate an investigation into Deason’s steroid abuse, were put at risk when they were scheduled to work side by side as the only two officers on that shift.

“…Hingson obtained a 2009 report written by private detectives the City of Canby had hired to investigate the steroid scandal. Among their findings: Murphy had been demoted from detective to officer for alleged dishonesty…”

Chief GregKroeplin resigned prior to release of a scorching memo outlining the city’s findings they had outsourced properly to two retired Oregon detectives, which would have resulted in his termination.

Murphy, still employed by Canby Police, is apparently looking to renew the agencies stint for bad press.


On October 13, 2011, six months after former Willamette Week journalist James Pitkin featured his Lord of The Flies article outlining Murphy’s internal investigation led to his demotion for dishonestly, he arrested a freelance sports reporter while taking pictures of him exiting the Canby Police Headquarters on duty and entering his personal vehicle.

Andrew Millbrooke  filed a Federal lawsuit in 2012 against The City of Canby,  Officer James Murphy and his captain Bret Smith  for excessive force and wrongful arrest which took place after Murphy used his cruiser to follow Millbrooke who was on foot.   In a police report from another officer in the case, Millbrooke tells him he is a freelance journalist trying to expose corruption and drug use by Officer Murphy.  The suit is pending.  A review of the declarations by both Mr. Smith and Mr. Murphy do not include the details of the investigative report commissioned by The City Of Canby discussing Mr. Murphy’s prior demotion.  Mr. Murphy also had a recent court decision regarding improper procedure [See Bonneau].


With pending motions to release the employment files of some Canby police officers to include Murphy, the charges against  Traverso were dismissed  this past May due the state delaying the case over 23 months.

Traverso, Deason and Jackson are all currently on probation.  Traverso is awaiting trial on recent charges involving watermelon theft.

As the Federal Bureau of Investigation is listed as an investigative partner to MCSO in the Kyron Horman investigation, it is their policy not to release files where they are not the lead agency of record or during an ongoing criminal investigation .

Requests for comment from Kaine Horman through his attorney Brett Engel regarding the allegations that he has either purchased or sold  illegal steroids have not been returned at the time of this publication.

However, in an article published to include a quote from Kaine Horman it seems that Kaine confirms Ms. Spicher’s assertion that Terri Horman did not use illegal steroids,  but rather nutritional supplements and had moved past those very quickly after her bodybuilding competition.

“…Kaine said he noticed a sharp shift in her behavior, saying she became self-centered and short-tempered.

“She’s not eating a lot of food, she’s exercising twice a day, she’s up at 4 o’clock in the morning, she’s not sleeping at night so we get just general irritable behavior towards everyone around her,” he said.

He said she consumed over-the-counter stimulants, such as fat burners, in high doses. In four months between January and April, she shed 62 pounds, dropping from 185 to 123 pounds, he said.

At the end of April, with her muscles bulked up and skin glistening with a bronze tan, she competed in the Emerald Cup bodybuilding competition in Bellevue, Wash…”

S.Christina Stoy, Editor In Chief, was able to independently confirm Ms. Spicher’s account of alleged steroid use and ensuing investigation of a gym member as told to her by Terri Horman.

The source,  an associate of Terri Horman, DeDe Spicher and Kaine Horman who declined to be identified, went on to say that at the time it was “… really common knowledge who was using steroids and who was selling them…”   “… was not aware previously that Terri Horman claimed to have instigated contact with law enforcement to turn in the seller…”  The source declined to identify the seller and could not say for certain if he was charged and likely would not away- given the request not to disclose the source’s name on the record.

Reached for comment,  Terri Moulton Horman Attorney Stephen Houze declined to comment based on his policy of not speaking publicly when a client has pending legal matters.

A request for comment to Mr. Bunch,  Terri Horman’s divorce attorney has not been returned by the time of this publication.


More Questions Than Answers..

Following several hours of interviews with  DeDe Spicher, the woman who was not a close friend to Terri Horman but ultimately was the closest to her in the early days of the investigation- are we left with more questions than answers about what could have happened to the little boy whose 11th birthday was 2 days ago?

Spicher concedes that anything she discussed as told to her by Terri Horman in some minor instances may only be verifiable by Horman herself- and she is not talking… Yet.

She also points out that ultimately everything she told me she shared with investigators as far as “truthfulness” was confirmed by a polygraph – to include the question “Was she withholding any information from investigators?”

She was not.

Although limited, Spicher’s accounts in many instances confirm sparse information heard early on from Terri herself.  Not the least of which was that although widely criticized for not speaking out publicly, she was told by investigators not to under any circumstances- and when she broached the possibility of retaining counsel was told that she would then be cut off from any information as to the investigation process to find Kyron Horman.

Through Spicher,  Horman also confirmed that out of concern for Horman’s “spacieness”  which she defined by walking into a room and staring off, not remembering, etc,  Terri Horman called his pediatrition Thursday June 3rd and made an appointment for Friday June 11th.  His last day of school. Horman also told Spicher that Kyron had wondered off or got lost while in his teacher Ms. Porter’s care once before when following a fellow student out of class.

Initially, prior to learning Kyron had been marked absent not very long after she left the building, that was Horman’s first thought.  Those hopes grew into panic with that revelation that he had been missing for hours.


Spicher says Terri was adamant that she never had a sexual relationship with the now infamous landscaper Rudy Sanchez Estrada  Spicher agrees that her friend had the propensity to be flirtatious but she never knew her to be sexually promiscuous.  Outside of the fact that she says at Kaine’s request to occasionally include an additional female in the bedroom,  to which Spicher declined, she was not aware that the Horman’s had a swinger lifestyle.

To her knowledge,  there were other women that were asked to participate in a threesome with the couple that did not say no some years ago, but had no current knowledge and she herself was never involved with Horman sexually.

In her take, the addition of a 3rd female was an expression of control on Kaine’s part in the relationship.


Terri explained the landscapers “sexual accosting” , previously reported exclusively by www.blinkoncrime this way:

“… She said she had Kitty on her hip and he came up behind her and was kissing her neck and put his arm around her and when she verbally resisted with concern that Kitty was in her arms he sort of grabbed her and she spun around and broke free…”


Spicher adds that on more than one occasion she tried to bring that up during meetings with DA Norm Frink and investigators.  One one occasion, as suggested by her Father, a former Klamath County Marine Officer,  at their own expense  The Klamath County Sheriff and his first lieutenant had  agreed to meet with Frink, Spicher and her father on DeDe’s behalf to sort of provide character backgrounds and family history he felt would be helpful in clearing her.

“…  This came up in the first interview I had with Mr Frink and I told him she had made that call. Later in the interview when he was trying to push more of my buttons, he tells me that call never happened (implying Terri had lied to me). I told him okay, that’s what you’re telling me, but I recall it differently (implying he was lying to me right then). He got very angry about that and insisted it was “fact”. I said okay, whatever. Much later, like one of the last times I met with Mr Frink, the Klamath County Sheriff and his 1st Lieutenant flew up on their own dime to meet with Mr Frink & Keith Krafve to see if they could help by offering their opinion of my character, and that it didn’t seem unusual to them at all that I would go help Terri, that it is very consistent with how my family has always been. At that meeting, I retold the story of Rudy sexually accosting Terri (her words), but said I wasn’t sure about the 911 call. That totally infuriated Mr Frink. I told him I was trying to believe him and simply not certain about what I could remember on that point.


The DAs office behaved very strangely toward the Klamath Co Sheriff and his Lt. They tried everything they could to keep us separated and even insisted that they (the DAs office) drive them back to the airport, despite the fine fact that we (Dad & I) had picked them up and brought them in, and would definitely be seeing them again in the near future. It was just weird, to all of us…”


I asked DeDe if she used the term called 911 in every exchange.  She had.  I asked her if she got the impression that the reason Frink was so sure it never happened was because there was no 911 call on the record about it – could it be that maybe she reached out to that former law enforcement person she contacted on the steroid issue and it was actually a dispatch call versus a trackable 911 call issue.

Spicher says she got the impression that Frink was suggesting that the “accosting” as described by her friend did not happen, but could not be sure except to say that Frink seemed to become irate when she brought it up on every occasion.  Spicher felt Sanchez Estrada was the only person behaving like a criminal and that supported the accounts she was given.

I asked DeDe if Terri mentioned ever paying Sanchez Estrada for work at the Horman home.  She said she did not recall Terri ever saying anything other than she had no idea what he was talking about when he came to the door and asked for $10,000 so she slammed the door in his face and called 911.

Stoy: So did she think it was some sort of extortion attempt now that she had mentioned him to investigators and they told her that they had interviewed him?

Spicher: She thought that he was dangerous from her past experience.

Stoy: Did you think it was odd that with a brand new John Deere tractor parked outside that TH was hiring a landscaper?  I was able to confirm through other sources that he cleared some blackberry or blueberry bushes similar to Ms. Von Klevelen,  and the tractor does not have a UCC lien on it, meaning it was not financed.

Spicher:  No, it wasn’t.  Kaine bought it.  It was Terri’s job to manage the inside of the house as well as the entire property.   I knew that when Kaine would travel he would come up with this project lists for her to complete by the time he got home.  I  mean, like cleaning the gutters,  cutting the grass, washing all the windows, that sort of thing.  To the best of my recollection Terri and Kaine did not have bank accounts together- he controlled everything he made.

Stoy: With a baby,  7 year old and teenager and hubby out of town? How was she managing that?  No wonder he was suggesting that she was pouring through money like water or something like that, she was probably hiring help.  I am not even sure I think a woman by herself at that property with a baby should be on the roof by herself anyway.

Spicher:  No,  Terri  had to pay any support money or whatever to the household expenses and I have surmised Kaine gave her some sort of allowance which she probably blew through pretty quickly on frivolous things like food and clothes for her children.  I have never known Terri to be frivolous with money.  I know of at least two times when the projects she was supposed to accomplish were impossible for her to manage.  One was the windows so I believe she hired someone that time and as I recall her parents paid for that.  I believe the other was the landscaper.

Stoy: Is it a fair question for me to ask how you feel about Kaine, from your tone I am sensing you are not a fan.

Spicher: I have tremendous compassion for Kaine- he lost his child- what can one even say about that?  But no, he is not someone I would want to be friends with today and I was cordial to him whenever I was around him but he was very controlling and was pretty mean to Terri about her weight from Kitty, things like that- I am not going to have anything in common with that.

Stoy:  Did Terri ever mention anything about conflicts with Desiree Young, whether they were between her and she or Kaine and Desiree?

Spicher: Not that I recall, but I also never heard her speak of Desiree negatively at any time previously or when I stayed with her [Terri].

Stoy: That is saying a lot because right after the sting Ms. Young was pretty accusatory pretty quickly- and I do note that was based on information from law enforcement.  Similar to some of the things both she and Kaine said publicly about you.  Are you angry about that?

Spicher:  O my no.  That poor woman is going through hell and acted on information that I was told, lie or not, was given to her and Kaine.  I have nothing but compassion for her and I wish I could shoulder some of her pain because I can..   I have nothing but compassion for all of Kyron’s parents and any anger I have over how I was treated, what I went through would never be directed at them.   I really pray that Kyron will be found,  I choose to put my energy into hope for that.

Pending Matters

Through Attorney Bunch,  Terri Horman makes the claim that both law enforcement and Kaine Horman have been perpetrating the dissemination of inaccurate information involving the circumstances of Kyron Horman’s disappearance.

In a recent filing, set for hearing this Friday,  Bunch pens a scathing reply to Deputy O’Donnell’s motion to quash, and accuses the county of improper ex parte communication.

Early this afternoon,  a source within the Multnomah County Courthouse speaking on the condition of anonymity has confirmed that on behalf of Multnomah County, a motion has been filed to limit certain documents or discoverable information related to Mr. Horman and Bobby O’Donnell of the MCSO.

A hearing is scheduled before Judge Kantor for this Friday September 13, 2013



Jacqueline Beaufort,  Ellie Sanders – research and contributing editors to this article.

Jason Mateos- contributing editor, copy.



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  1. Sunshine says:

    Investigative journalism, integrity, and victims advocacy at its finest. Ps-good call on declining dr. Phil IMO

    TY. Not a fan since his checkbook journalism days.

    It’s official. Local media source told me their is a media freeze out on all things DeDe Spicher.

    Apparently, because the reporters are basically reliant on their sources within the DA and LE, there were calls made as to the potential of source pools drying up. Many calls, involving offices on many higher floors, lol.


  2. lyla says:

    @SouthernMom says:

    September 12, 2013 at 12:47 pm

    “Rewatching old news clips…

    @1:07 reporter claims Police say Terri admitted to hating her own step-son.

    Has anyone ever heard this “admission” directly from LE?

    Prayers for Kyron and his family._
    Both DY and KH publicly stated they got this information from LE and were shown the emails.–could-hurt-him-108176524.html

  3. cd says:

    Kat says:
    September 12, 2013 at 9:16 am
    Just saw this on FB MKH page:
    Missing Kyron Horman
    A message from Kyron’s Momma, Desiree.
    For all of my faithful Kyron supporters…a new Dr Phil show that is going to be covering Kyron for a full hour on Tuesday, September 17th.
    Thank you. In the interest of disclosure both Ms. Spicher and myself declined an invitation to appear.
    What I don’t understand about DY/Kyrons case being talked about on the DR Phil show is this.
    Usually on Dr Phils show person with a problem like in an abusive marriage, being stalked, or having a parent or child that is out of control initiates the visit to the show.

    Both parties (the person with the complaint and the individual complained about) are invited to appear and discuss the problems. Dr Phil then recommends solutions all around to the conflict presented with just plain common sense and help with counseling.

    The guest chairs are lined upon the stage with the parties calling for the solution on the right hand side of the Dr. and the people charged with being the problem on the left hand side of the Dr.

    Okay so Desiree and family will be on the right hand side of Dr. Phil. Who will be on the left hand side if Terri and or DeDe do not participate in the show.

    I like Dr. Phil and I hope he recommends some much need counseling for DY but I don’t get what the show will be about since the Dr. phil show is not a crime show but a show where both sides of a conflict are represented and a resolution is recommended/enabled by Dr. Phil.

    I used to like Dr. Phil. Once he paid the Anthony’s $650K to appear he lost me and I will never look back.
    It is my understanding that Kaine was invited so maybe he is on the left.

  4. Rose says:

    anyone see J Kantor’s family court experience?
    Kiara is not a piece of asbestos.
    she deserves appointment of a judge with significant family bench experience.

    My meager background in CPSD (1.5 yr) was in a jurisdiction with the best judges (federal) on the family bench. CJA (parent-assigned) attorneys were mostly yuk. DAs (DOJ employees) were 50/50. The Judge makes the difference imo.

    These MCty Judges offend me.

    No GAL, tho is standard.

    Home studies of either parent imo are ordered judicially on a scintilla of a question because the goal is protection. None ordered here to date of either home.

    Psychological studies are easy to get ordered on a scintilla of doubt.

    None done on either parent here for 3 years.

    Forget TMH’s 5th amendment qualifiers.

    Kaine physically had complete control of the 18 mo yo,
    so imo in cpsd-land,
    he needed the home study;
    he needed the psychological.

    Without any child contact possible, the Court could afford to put her be on the back burner; not him.

    No efforts of any kind by either Judge wrt to objective/subjective external studies used all the time in family Courts wrt Kiara’s best interests.

    And Meisenheimer/Kantor overlooked GAL and customary & ordinary Court home studies by DHS, in a high conflict divorce in a family where father’s bro did an interfamily SO 3-way and said same was intergenerational.

    —I know nothing about Dr Phil. don’t plan to start now.
    What’s the point of sensationalizing a weeping parent for commercial profit?
    But maybe he’ll help her with a kind word before or after filming and lift her spirits a bit.

  5. cd says:

    cd says:
    September 12, 2013 at 7:41 pm

    I used to like Dr. Phil. Once he paid the Anthony’s $650K to appear he lost me and I will never look back.
    It is my understanding that Kaine was invited so maybe he is on the left.
    I’ll bet Bunch would love to watch that show lol

  6. SouthernMom says:

    Blink, you know we all (for the most part, all of us :P ) think you are amazing…but, I wanted to also share the ama-za-zing spotlight with the investigative inputters TRuth, Rose & eRose…wow, those ladies can dig up stuff and I appreciate so much their record keeping and ability to recapture things long ago posted.

    Kudos to all…and there are many more here who do this, but these amaze me daily.

    Prayers for Kyron.

  7. T. Ruth says:

    RE: Dr. Phil show.

    IMHO, the reason both these parents were willing to appear is obvious, their son is missing……and whatever and however they can keep his name and picture out there is just about all they can do, if not the best thing.

    Why did Dr. Phil invite them/and or welcome them is to me more interesting. I guess we’ll have to just wait and see.

    I am really, really upset that this case is moving more and more and more away from finding Kyron and more and more and more into the backgrounds of his immediate family. I agree with what Blink said upthread, I do not think Kaine nor Terri nor Desiree had anything to do with Kyron’s disappearance. Nor Dede Spicher, never did think that. However, there are others in Kyron’s immediate circle who should be considered. Frankly, I’d start with Skyline, but I guess unfortunately LE wasn’t allowed to start there at all……and THAT bothers the fk out of me.

  8. A Texas Gramdfather says:


    Thanks for the link to the school district reports. I could follow on the Skyline reference, but why George middle school?

    Skyline is just above the failing mark with averages in the 70′s and George is in the high forties to low fifties, a failing school.

    Is Skyline a school that is set aside for those with behavior and learning problems? There are other primary schools in the district that have much lower scores than Skyline.

    Most Texas school districts would either close as school or move a new administration and teaching staff into such low performing schools.


    Your description of the couple, one an engineer and the other a music major is often the case. The engineer not knowing anything other than math and science is ignorant of the knowledge and skills required for music. What he doesn’t know is that the top level engineers often are musicians as well. With an attitude that you described, he will always be just a grunt engineer that never makes himself valuable to the organization for whom he works.

    Young women who are captivated by a smooth talking guy have not lived in a family that has a dad who participates in all areas of duty. It begins with sharing work chores inside and outside the home. Dads should be willing to care for the children from an early time and that includes changing diapers and washing dishes or cleaning floors. A guy who is not willing to do that is never going to be a proper husband and father.

    I think it is very true that some ladies who have not had strong Dad modeling can suffer in their perspectives on men in relationships. It is not always possible as their are many families without a strong paternal figure.

    Nearing the end of my internship, I can say as an observation what we needed from even the best of parents, and what we got- gets in the way until we figure out how to meet our own needs.

    The exception to that would by my own, who of course are/were perfect. LOL

    Those of us fortunate to be raising young boys have GOT to reinforce raising a gentleman.

    It is so important to perpetuating good Dads. And guys we would ever let our daughters date.


  9. T. Ruth says:

    @Rose says:
    September 12, 2013 at 4:06 pm

    Someone (TRuth?) recently asked about Major Crimes Team.
    See unit Appreciation citation,
    Major Crimes Team:
    Krafve, , O’Donnell, Herron (kyron’s assignees)

    Twas me, Rose. but El linko no worko!

  10. Amys Sister says:

    T Ruth posted:

    From the article: “People who are using steroids and packing Glocks…” Hingson said, “I cannot think of a more frightening thing in terms of the safety of the public.”

  11. Nelmel says:

    I have to say this.

    From the beginning, it was obvious that the bio parents’ would not be “investigated,” and the “evil stepmother” would be investigated.

    Because my lil’ sis is a lawyer, and because I have been an entry level social worker and human services worker, PLUS a NYS EMT up to 1997, with a zillion cop and sheriff pals helping me out when drugs and domestic abuse and elder abuse were the awful issues on my watch….

    Is there a moment in time when the hellish egos of adults can stand up to help recover a child who only wanted to love all his parents and goof off at school and go camping and hug his mom and hang out with James and Kiara and oh, all the adults who now insist that they loved him?

    This investigation was and is, a mysogenistic ego blob filling cavities everywhere and it boggles me with the hot mess of documented corruption ( I left out the current City Council debacle) spanning several years how nobody seemed to learn that lesson and is apparently due for their next black eye.

    You would think that perspective, one that would include apparently that TMH is the criminal mastermind of the century outsmarting (in their minds) the creme brulee’s of LE in several agencies and jurisdictions it might be at least fodder at the city council meetings. Alas.

    Is how many investigative hours currently “billed” to Kyron’s case the determining factor to render it inactive? If they don’t have a suspect, then the scope gets awfully narrow as to what can be released.

    Maybe DB Cooper was actually a woman.

  12. grasshopper says:

    haven’t had a chance to watch much local news but haven’t heard any more about the dede interview and its shocking revelations. hmmm. you’d think for the sake of ratings they’d jump on it.

    What if you all (Blink and posters) got to interview Terri but could only ask 3 questions. What 3 questions would you ask?

  13. Amys Sister says:

    quizzical says:
    September 12, 2013 at 4:44 pm

    I’m pretty sure females generally lose weight on roids, not gain, especially considering the duration of time Terri trained but I’ve never taken them so cannot speak from personal experience.

    Terri had a long list of things she got done, and they do match what Dede stated, but how do we know Kaine gave her the list of chores and told her she ‘had’ to get them done?

    I chuckled also thinking about my husband trying to be the man NelMel described. They exist for sure, and Kaine could have been one of them, but Dede’s interview responses about Kaine and the Horman marriage struck me in the same way Michael Cooks texts with Terri did… slanted. He’s controlling for sure but to what degree? Terri’s past did not lead me to believe she is easily controlled but who knows, especially with her depression?

    Some men are very able to take a strong woman and tear her down to nothing. I agree with ya’ll that Kaine appears to have this potential.

    I can’t quote them, but DeDe was not my only source about the chore list thing. There are and were several and I have seen verified evidence of same (emails that I was able to authenticate through our investigative resources). I did not want the piece to be bias to Kaine, so I simply reported the interview and readers can freely ignore DeDe’s take as one sided- that is fair.

    I am interested in further the investigation with the goal of locating Kyron and whoever is responsible for what happened to him, so while investigatively it is interesting, controlling husbands with Napoleon complexes are not rare and as I don’t think he intentionally did anything to harm his son, I choose to maintain great compassion for his loss.

    On the other hand, as a human being who seems to have channeled that loss into intentionally destroying the relationship between his baby and her Mother on a whim, potentially to obfusicate information about his own behavior, if true, this emperor better get some clothes on.


  14. erose says:

    @TRuth, from Rose’s link. Worked for me, don’t ask me why links are touchy sometimes.

    Unit Citation

    May be awarded to all members of a unit who have collectively performed their assigned duties in such a manner, which reflects exceptional credit to the unit or Department.

    The Major Crimes Team

    CSI Melissa Arne GPD
    OSPCL Chrystal Bell OSP
    Sgt. Steve Bevens TPD
    Det. Rick Blake GPD
    Det. Tony Cobb GPD
    Det. Brandon Crate GPD
    DDA Brian Davidson MCDA
    Det. Billy Epperson FPD
    Det. Matt Fagan GPD
    Det. Paul Farnstrom MCSO
    Sgt. Bob Fay GPD
    Det. Larry Foulke GPD
    AAIII Tina Frostad GPD
    Det. Robert Galbreath GPD
    Det. Ryan Gleason GPD
    Lt. Claudio Grandjean GPD
    CSI Deanna Gross GPD
    Inv. Tech Janet Hailey MCSO
    Det. Rian Hakala MCSO
    Sgt. Jon Harrington OSP
    AAII Kristin Hartman GPD
    Sgt. Mark Herron MCSO
    Det. Scott Hogan GPD
    Det. Fred Huffman GPD
    Det. Aaron Jackson OSP
    Sgt. Keith Krafve MCSO
    Sgt. Jan Kubic MCSO
    Det. Kyle Lewis GPD

    Det. Sean Mallory MCSO
    DDA Chris Mascal MCDA
    Sgt. Bernie Meyer FPD
    AAII Jill Mick GPD
    AAII Rachael Miller GPD
    AAII Di Nicholas GPD
    Det. Kevin Odil MCSO
    Det. Bob O’Donnell MCSO
    Det. Jay Pentheny MCSO
    Det. Bob Peterson GPD
    Det. John Rasmussen GPD
    DDA Don Rees MCDA
    Det. Patti Rhoades OSP
    Det. Brad Robertson FPD
    Det. Jim Seymour GPD
    Det. Steve Smith MCSO
    Det. Tim Snider GPD
    Det. Lars Snitker MCSO
    Det. Joe Storagee TPD
    Det. Scott Sudaiser OSP
    CSI Tami Surplus GPD
    OSPCL Nici Vance OSP
    Det. Greg Vining TPD
    Det. Tommy Walker GPD
    Lt. Ned Walls MCSO
    Lt. Pat Williams GPD
    Det. Levi Yandell MCSO
    Det. Ken Yohe MCSO

    @SouthernMom, You’re pretty ah-maz-ing yourself, sum of our parts…as Blink says. I’ve been reading such great posts all day today and yesterday. (Can’t believe ATG wrote crap. He must be po’d.) I am taking it in because everyone has their own take and I find it so interesting.

  15. erose says:

    Foot (mine) in mouth (mine). ATG did not write crap, he wrote “crap.” It shows how upsetting this all is, that something could make our fav G’pa feel that way. My thoughts are still formulating, but I know “crap” is the nicest word I could write about it.

    The fact that the media has frozen out the biggest break in the case since 2010 makes me wonder how high up this goes and why. I think the dates are lining up to be more than coincidence, and the revelation that KH is, as suspected, a former steroid user puts him in a circle of drug dealers, and by virtue he put his kids at risk. No doubt about it.

  16. January says:

    Blink, I understand and respect your position regarding Dr. Phil. The only reason I might find it beneficial for you to appear on the show, is to ask DY a few questions while the whole world is watching. To educate the public about goings on. To help the public understand that Terri isn’t the end all. I know that you have incredible respect and compassion for DY and don’t doubt that you could accomplish asking DY questions, or bring things to light in such a way that would not offend. Asking DY questions that we ask here every day. Fact based questions regarding SZ, Ms. Matthews, Kaine, etc., etc., etc., (as a group we could sure put some questions together as a team). DY might not respond, but dog-gone-it finally the public would learn and possibly understand so much more about the case, and LE might be put in the vicarious position they deserve to be. I for one, am sorry you won’t be appearing.

    I appreciate that January, and I mean no offense to anyone that is a Dr. Phil fan. As I said, I was at one time, but paying that kind of cash to that ilk, one of which narrowly escaped perjury charges turns my blood cold for baby Caylee and always will.

    What I wanted to do was fly out there and give Dr. Phil my presentation of Caylee’s anthropology excavaction through autopsy animated video (for sensitivity). Not the reaction of her seeing her actual bones on the cold steel slab with obvious animal predation (which I have, which it is based on) but nobody will ever convince me that Cindy did not know when she sent investigators to that bog that her grand daughter was rotting in it. So for me, for Dr. Phil to set those two up to avoid having to be treated like the pariah’s they are is inexcusable. Can you tell I am tired of media capitalizing on pain and then using the excuse that they don’t know the case details well enough to make those judgement calls?


    On to Ms. Young- I think anything that I would hope to ask or converse with Desiree about should be private. I realize that she is taking a very public position because she is compelled to, and imo she has realized and been advised that doing so keeps interest in Kyron’s case. I do not know if there has been renumeration for any appearances, if there was it will become known, and it will be in the form of a charitable donation. Let’s not get into the nuances of that for now.

    Having seen some of her public postings or statements- I really can’t think of a woman with more right to be in the emotional place that she is and I really can’t think of one that should be more protected as a result. I can’t reconcile the fact that I have seen some of the things she has said, with the fact that she is quoting law enforcement sources as I know them not to be true, and not construed, I am talking flat out false information that if she was given, was a lie for unknown reasons.

    Not just now, either. Someone very close to her camp contacted me over a year ago and I could tell from information that source had, that Ms. Young was being given bad intel from the beginning. I fear revealing that specifically would reveal an identity who asked for my confidence and I never break that, so I won’t.

    There is no doubt that she has deep resentment for Terri, and I can appreciate that. I also saw a letter from her where she said Terri saved her life. She is being given information that is false and instead of questioning why that is, she continues to believe it apparently. Here’s my thing- I keep hearing her using the phrase Terri can’t win, and have seen antagonistic postings ( since removed) to include commentary that are more in line with an embittered ex spouse than the mother of a missing child and definitely without any compassion for little kitty. No talky no kitty?

    Here is what also bothers me. If God Willing, Kyron was located alive and returned tomorrow, having nothing to do with TMH, who thinks these sort of antics are helping her custodially? I get she must assume Kyron is deceased, but then why drop the civil suit if she is sure of TMH guilt. It is just not true to say that they would have no access to any investigative files, and even if they thought that might happen, then to preserve her standing the suit could be stayed indefinitely.

    So, long way around to say, until Desiree can be in a place where she must confront the possibility that this could either be related to that roids mess, a previously unknown SZ, and definitely an investigation that is never going to implicate TMH anyway, what would be the point?

    I have wanted to put her in my pocket for her journey for years. Hate wagons are not going to find Kyron.

    By design, they only serve to prolong agony. Keep praying people. That’s all I know how to do at the moment.


    I plan to keep an open mind, or at least try to, but let’s just say that it is my understanding that the format did not lend itself to guests knowing what other guests would be appearing, so it had the smell of “gotcha” tv like Spring or that ole Maury Povich Baby Daddy mess. Dr. Phil has tried to go a bit where Dr. Drew has crossed over to include the true crime genre. To Dr. Drew’s credit I have seen him say things like that is not my area of expertise when it is not, and I applaud that.

  17. Rose says:

    well, we know two orgs avidly soliciting funds for awhile, neither disclosing expenditures fin reports….
    So any ol Phil with a checkbook.

    wrt to ” media freeze” & info sources, what difference will it make to Portland news reporting either way?
    after 3.5 yrs would reporting improve regardless of sources? There were only 2 independent
    reporters in 2010; now there are none.

    Underhill, that’s a real disappointment..
    Could’ve changed Office culture. Keep in mind
    DDS’ Stingers were more likely than not acting under close supervision by
    their DA handler. The latter wasn’t physically present imo, to yield
    plausibke deniability over illegal & unethical behaviors.

    @Amy’s. I thought when she “disappeared,”
    Alternate either checked into a mental hospital, or KH had
    taken legal action to silence. Now we know which.
    I figure his lawyer was made aware of those syringes
    aboit the time he flip flipped on the divorce abatement &
    began begging for one.

    My last call for jury duty over two decades ago was a tort
    action against an attorney. On voir dire, I truthfully said I could
    not be impartial. Blow over the judge with shock an attorney
    volunteered she could not follow his anticipated jury instructions/directions
    (an infant at home may’ve played a role). My position was
    as an idealistic new law school
    grad, I was afraid I’d hold a peer to a higher standard.
    Now I see peers can just move to a frontier State where Bar discipline
    seems nonexistent. And the press is no worry.

  18. Rose says:

    just tried link again
    it is working on my phone. Google Gresham Police Awards
    2012 Appreciation Ceremony with the 3 names then. all listed.

  19. Rose says:

    I hope DDS sticks to her media blackout.
    Further chat would not advance the investigation.
    It would only focus psychotics more
    intensely on her. She did the unfailing good judgment
    thing with one thorough interviewer. And, I have no doubt
    someone in the borderline circus will put her under oath again.
    Remember Houze’ sine qua non: silence.
    Apart from Blink collaborations Snavely OKs.

  20. Rose says:

    @ATG. In my County a principal with Skyline scores would be retired.
    The problem in Portland is that failure is pervasive, and they know nothing different.

    Why George? Keefer’s school.
    Local educators will simply point to poverty & race as well as low socio-economic feeder el eds.
    That is a red herring.
    It comes down to the principal’s knowledge of curriculum, staff mgmt, &
    leadership. Imo what he did at George, he did at Skyline.
    Here’s how a principal a Supt shoukd be trotting out to school board Q&A would do it:
    This principal raised test scores so high so fast in a school of minority impoverished
    kids, he was accused in an Atlanta defensive article of cheating. But one of my kids went to
    his legacy school, iep’d to the nth power since age 4, passed State high school assessments. As others
    in my County do.
    Tho Keefer had only one year, he had one year; and these kids per Myrtle can’t wait.
    I interviewed him once, as I wanted to donate Reading Software to a school, and I learned from a vendor his school had bought site licenses. He told me, I never used what I purchased. My kids were too needy and they couldn’t wait. They needed more.
    There’s a reason Keefer’s kids at Skyline & George had those scores, imo.
    The same sort of reason a teacher woukd nod OK to exit with a stranger.

  21. Rose says:

    @ATG. My belief has been in 2010 Skyline had a disproportionate number of iep’d and 504 kids owed services due to the quantity of paraeducators on sped staff for a regular school in Portland, much less a small school. My speculation was as well that more able (intellectually & financially) catchment area kids were in privates like Kitzhaber’s kid. Oddly, Skyline’s SPED Resource that year was a Keefer hire who was new-to-PPS & also in his 1st Sped position, but ( iirc ) whose training (and current job at Keefer’s George) was in basic life skills (think toileting, tying shoes, & riding a bus), not Reading methods.
    So Skyline’s sped popularion not only that year did not have a Reading Specialist position, their Resource was not a specialist in academic skills but rather in Basic Life Skills. My kid was in a school iep’d/504 kids flocked to, a significantly high population, & it still tested no 1 in the State. Imo it’s not the population but the Principal.

  22. Tar Heel Gal says:

    1. Sunshine says:
    September 12, 2013 at 5:06 pm
    Investigative journalism, integrity, and victims advocacy at its finest. Ps-good call on declining dr. Phil IMO

    @Blink TY. Not a fan since his checkbook journalism days.
    It’s official. Local media source told me their is a media freeze out on all things DeDe Spicher.
    Apparently, because the reporters are basically reliant on their sources within the DA and LE, there were calls made as to the potential of source pools drying up. Many calls, involving offices on many higher floors, lol.

    These last 3 pieces and the podcast (yay! I caught it finally!) have been just mind boggling. Some stand-up courage and hard work going on, Blink and Ms. Spicher. And now area authorities/LE scrambling to shut down further questions?! Blink, can you rent a Pope-mobile in your area for shuttling Blinkette and Blink Jr. around to activities, please?! Scary what these sneaks think they do. Seriously!!!

    Three 3 ago, when I found a news blurb and a pic of that little Kyron face online, he grabbed me. From 3,000 miles away, all I had to go on was unknown Oregon print/TV websites. Those reports quickly had me straddling the “Terri did it” fence, with 1 short leg over and the other cresting. Then I saw a ref in some comments to The Hinky Meter, and subsequently, BOC. Reading there, especially BOC, the questions of things that didn’t make sense and thinking outside of the box from B and all the critical thinkers was a breath of fresh air. Halted that other sneaker-clad foot from coming all the way down. I just cannot comprehend how the “given permission BY A TEACHER to LEAVE A ROOM to help bring something in” is not the ultimate game changer for poor Desiree. Yet even with those searches a few weekends ago, her conviction in Terri’s guilt is heartbreakingly obvious. I tried for an hour yesterday to find DY’s comments after she and KH broke ranks with each other late 2010 maybe?, about if she’d know some things about the Horman’s lifestyles, she wouldn’t have approved or something like that–was that when SHE was finding out about the steroid use and the occasional 3-some?

    It will be very interesting to see what the Dr. Phil show brings up. The truth will set you free. I’m taking my mom to lunch today, do I need to race home for any continuations, Ms. B? ;) Thank you for your dedication and to all here who work so hard for a missing little soul and so many others.

    Hugs from NC

  23. Leslie says:

    Did DDS talk about the sexting issue?
    Seems odd she said they were not close friends but gets asked to be in a 3 way…

    It’s in the piece.

    That request was many years ago, shortly after she first them, iirc.

  24. Sunshine_4me says:

    Just saw this article today. I’m not sure how to take Kaine’s refusal(if true) for DY’s search team to search Kaine’s property.

    “Desiree and her sister marshaled a group of volunteers to search a wide swath of the area between Skyline Elementary and the Horman home.

    One area they were not allowed to search was Kaine’s property – something that Desiree has made some hay about.”

    Well it seems to me that someone has been dishonest about LE’s participation in this search. I distinctly recall a post by the sister about volunteer information going to LE or words to that effect.

    If I were Kaine, no way in the world would I let anyone other than the jurisdictional agency search my property and any thoughts that it would be improper to deny your ex wife and Mother of your missing child who is making open accusations of untrue info prior to and after said search are ludicrous.

    DeDe still has information and has “not quite” been cleared? Let’s just say right there is the reason she spoke out. If they are referring to the fact they never asked her about Kaine’s steroid use, and now they wish to and I can tell you that we were prepared for that upfront.

    Not a lot of sourcing in that article with a lot of statements coming from “inside”?


  25. A Texas Gramdfather says:


    Thanks again for your thoughts on the Portland schools. Based on what was in the report linked, Portland IMO has a major problem that has to start at the top with the School Board and Superintendent.

    If mothers and fathers have not taught a child the basic skills of getting their clothes on themselves, the child should be held back a year.

    Reading and simple math can be learned by any child that does not have major health problems. Learning to read by the “look see” method has created a major roadblock to future success. Memory training is as important as reading.

    My children, as adults, do not have the memory capacity that their mother and I do. The schools do not drive this skill development as they should.

    When I spent eight years working in the schools after retirement, I constantly had to help teachers understand the mechanics of producing sound on a wind instrument. This was because they were never given the proper background in their methods classes.

    If one does not know how to teach themselves, then they become stuck at the level of the classes they took or if they are lucky, they find a mentor to work with them to help lead them to success.

  26. A Texas Gramdfather says:


    When the stench of misbehavior reaches a certain level, the bucket of “crap” must be found to throw it out and clean up the mess.

    Kaine Horman, IMO is the chief reason for the stench at the bottom of this particular family bucket. Pouring his mess into the three buckets of mess from the school,LE and the criminal justice just makes for a larger stink.

    Poed is putting it mildly.

  27. Kat says:

    KATU news bit.

    “Judge Kantor recently decided things should move forward and, from appearances, Terri’s team is using the divorce proceedings as a way to undermine the criminal investigation.” Hmmm.

    “Desiree and her sister marshaled a group of volunteers to search a wide swath of the area between Skyline Elementary and the Horman home.

    One area they were not allowed to search was Kaine’s property – something that Desiree has made some hay about.

    But, here’s the thing. Why should Kaine let a bunch of private citizens run rampant over his property?” Really?

    Just sharing.

  28. patriciamochalatte says:

    In response to what we might ask TH, my list is as follows:
    Did you or anyone you know accidently or otherwise have anything to do with or do you have knowledge of what may have caused Mr Villarreal’ s motorcycle accident?
    Have you ever had a sexual relationship with Mr Villareal and was he in anyway tied to steroid use or sales?
    Would you be willing to take a polygraph related to these questions?

  29. Rose says:

    2 cops snitch to their steroid dealers:
    http://www.steroid (dot) com/blog/Dirty-North-Texas-Cop-Busted-for-Tipping-Off-His-Steroid-Dealer.php
    remove “(dot)” and insert “.”

    it seems there is pharma grade & pricing, vet, underground lab, gym grade & pricing.

    I wonder if a major underground lab was involved in Canby, as well as in the local gym distribution?
    That mite be worth protecting. Traverso combined steroid & meth dependence.
    Maybe a single criminal enterprise mfged & supplied both & felt threatened.

  30. patriciamochalatte says:

    A couple more:
    Do you feel threatened by a person or persons who might be framing you for Kyrons disappearance while holding information about a crime or crimes you may be involved in directly or indirectly against you?
    If yes, would you be willing to name the person or persons and describe the circumstances?
    Would you be willing to testify in a court of law regarding the circumstances if they do so exist?

  31. Rose says:

    from the fundraising site. all know the url.
    “Please understand law enforcement will be receiving copies of all the forms filled out”

    Sounds like LE was trying to get a warrantless search of KH’s property.
    KH should not only not have an embittered Ex search, no one but LE should by warrant, while he observes by videoing, as ATG suggests elsewhere. Things have planted, including by dirty cops, & SAR is community volunteer staffed.
    As far as DDS & her knowledge of steroid use goes,
    1) LE had 3 years to poly him with that Q, and probably did & has known. Perhaps TMH was deceptive on that Q about her husband, which would be foolish having called LE on his dealor. Maybe it was always that.
    2) they had a cop living in the home initially; what did he observe wrt to meds?
    3) they had ample opportunity to get a warrant for the premises prior to “the Sting”
    4) DDS says she mentioned it and there was no follow-up. In 2010, with the DEA “helping out,” that’s incredible.

    Why did Frink take over command & control of the investigation in the first place in 2010?

  32. Rose says:

    Knowing this alleged DY accusation, if KH goes on Phil, he’s got poor judgment.
    Let it be like Clint Eastwood; talk to an empty chair.
    What is being done to DY is wrong.
    imo she’s presently unable to shift mentally,
    so asking her questions imo does not advance
    Kyron’s interests.

  33. Rose says:

    Miner’s story shows no evidence of research, only source bias.
    For example, he didn’t read the Guisto transcripts drmonstrating
    O’Donall’s marital separation experience & that he did marriage counseling
    behind a gun.
    Nor does it show minimal knowledge of law. In
    a high conflict divorce with custody issues one
    always deposes school personnel. But, Kaine took it further,
    he made the abduction perp the lynchpin if the custody contest,
    so what does he expect Terri to do wrt to custody but to mount a rebuttal?

  34. lyla says:

    (snipped)) “Is how many investigative hours currently “billed” to Kyron’s case the determining factor to render it inactive? If they don’t have a suspect, then the scope gets awfully narrow as to what can be released.”
    Now Blink, lest we forget, Staton stated everyone is a suspect! After hundreds of thousands taxpayer $$$$$$$ I don’t think they have a clue what happened to Ky. It frys me too the school was not only not held accountable but one of their staff gave permission to a young student to leave the building with a stranger……just flat out unbelievable.

  35. Shelly says:

    Did Dede ever interpret that Terri thought Kaine displayed signs of hyersexuality during his anabolic steroid use? I know she said he was aggressive towards her and impatient w/ the kids, and I read the part about requesting another women in the bedroom, just thinking of other ways he could have been aggressive during his steroid peak?

  36. T. Ruth says:

    And before Desiree’s searchers hit the ground, the sheriff’s office made it clear they did not endorse the idea of a private search.

    When did they do that? Was that public information we missed somewhere or did this reporter contact them and get a direct quote?

    Why is Desiree Young wanting to search the same places over and over again? I don’t understand. Also, if she is wanting to search the Horman’s property, there would of course be evidence of Terri having been there since she lived there, so she must be looking for Kyron’s remains. So if she’s looking for the bones of her son, why is she going on Dr. Phil? What good will it do to promote Kyron’s face out there if she thinks he’s dead at the hands of Terri Horman?

    Something is really weird about this whole search thing.

  37. T. Ruth says:

    Why do the reports keep saying that Bobby O’Donnell has been the lead detective in this case since the beginning? He was not:

    The Multnomah County Sheriff’s Office would also like to announce that a press conference is scheduled for Tuesday July 27, 2010 at the Hanson Building located at 12240 NE Glisan Portland, Oregon. The exact time for this press conference will be announced by Friday July 23, 2010.
    Present at this conference will be Chief Deputy Tim Moore and Lead Investigator of the Kyron case Sgt. Lee Gosson. The purpose of this press conference will be to provide an update of the case.

    I believe it was handed over to the major crimes team, O’Donnell, not long after the above release came from Staton, because Gosson was not present at the presser on July 27. I would still like to know why Gosson was removed as lead? Maybe HE was asking the right questions? Or????? IDK, but I wish they’d quit saying that O’Donnell had it since the beginnig, because it’s incorrect.

  38. Rose says:
    Underhill & PPS.

    Goal no. 1: Get in place a seasoned family Court Judge to try this as the custody case this is.
    Frink & Staton broke that family’s egg.

    PPS teachers Kyron’s abduction .
    They have no standing in the divorce/custody matter.

    When do you think, after Wagner files civil suits against PPS, MCSO, ADAs & Deputies, the dynamic trio (Krafve, O’Donnell, Herron) will realize Staton & Frink and company have plausible deniabity and are hanging them out to
    dry on sting offer(s?) they deliberately were not in the room for lest there be Bar discipline?

    If I were O’Donnell, right after I lined up representation, I’d BEG to take that depo and in the course of it I’d ensure I got on record who dirscted me to take every action I took in the investigation, most particularly the mfh & RO series of events. Ditto for Herron; I’d say, can’t you depo me too? So I can explain the DA’s directions?
    Unfortunately the trio the elephant will fall on lack DDS’ IQ points and innocence.

  39. Rose says:

    @TRuth. One source is obviously someone in Sheriff’s Dept, likely Staton.
    Who’s busy documentung in print hus plausibke deniability & distance from Herron.
    Like I said, the trio better pray for depos where they can name supervisory directives.
    The Sheriff will just say look at Krafve’s hustory; he did this once before & we gave him a chance.
    He’ll say look at O’Donnell’s history, waving a gun at his Supervisor.
    Oh, now I’m understanding why these 3 fall guys were chosen as investigators…
    The Asst DA probably had an encyclopedic memory of their foibles.

  40. cd says:

    cd says:
    September 12, 2013 at 7:41 pm

    I used to like Dr. Phil. Once he paid the Anthony’s $650K to appear he lost me and I will never look back.
    It is my understanding that Kaine was invited so maybe he is on the left.
    I’ll bet Bunch would love to watch that show lol
    Since i actually know some things about Kyrons caseI will be interesting to see if Dr. Phil actually tries to gel DY help with her grief/hatred and guilt surrounding Kyrons disappearance OR if he simply capitalizes on any sensationalism surrounding this case purely to boost ratings and participants be damned.

    My husband says he is a quack I hold out hope he somehow really helps people. So i guess I will get to see first hand.

  41. Rose says:

    I really don’t want to see KH’s camera same ol.
    If Engel is right, and lawyers are on camera, I want to hear all of them.

    Why isn’t someone in the hall outside
    ready to film atty PR with an iphone,
    uploading to youtube,
    as local media won’t show it?
    Let us form our own impressions not mediated
    by Engel.

  42. cd says:

    Sorry for all of the typos my Apple keyboard is quirky in text mode (jumps around in a paragraph inserting current typing where it does not belong) changes spellings and also occasionally inserts weird characters into my typing.

  43. Amys Sister says:

    I just read there is an attorney from PPS at this mornings divorce hearing. I find that questionable.

    How long does the court expect Terri to be publicly vilified and unable to defend herself, be with her daughter and acquire what is, I’m sure, a much desired divorce?

    Three plus years is long enough.

  44. Amys Sister says:

    Blink, IMHO you would be doing a service by appearing on Phil’s show.

    This is out of control and the public perspective has been kept intentionally small.

    I’m not saying this in favor of Terri. I’m saying this in favor of anyone who in the future who may be caught up in something similar. When one individual has an entire school district, multiple county agencies, LE, the media, and the public against them within a criminal case for years and there are other leads perpetually hidden or obfuscated that could actually help find a missing child and clear the accused….

    You know where I’m going with this. It would be a burden on you, I’m sure, but you’ve been courageous enough to come this far.

    IMO, you would be the lone voice of reason for Kyron Richard Horman.

    No pressure or anything.

  45. Pm-
    I thought the question was of Dede?

  46. To rosé from blink
    Dede was never asked About kaine and steroids.

    I have considered the fact that kaine knew his para was at the house and when the sting did not net an arrest, the ro was the warrant already so he was not getting back in the house .

    Er go they must be Terri’s. not sure how he would explain checks he wrote to a dealer but who knows.

  47. Rose says:

    2Bernstein tweets:
    “Mult County counsel says he has not reviewed criminal investigative files into Kyron Horman’s disappearance. ‘It occupies the entire room’”

    Well, when does he plan to have a supervisory look as to sources, methods, & work product?
    More print trail of DA plausible deniability to hang illegal tactics on the 3 MCSO LE fall guys at civil suit time…

    “Kaine Horman’s lawyer says Kiara, 4, “hasn’t seen her mother in three years, and frankly doesn’t know who she is.”

    For shame Kaine Horman & DA.

    And, a girl by teen years will search for Mother, and KH will have his hands full.

    His psychological disturbance imo is evidenced by being this mother cutoff doesn’t matter.

    This Judge is inexperienced and negligent if he does not immediately order a psychological on the parent with sole care of Kiara. Altho, I suppose like Powell, she’s likely safe as long as he retains sole control. I was exposed to 4 men while with cpsd who became homicidal when children were taken from them. It’s not uncommon in that population.

  48. erose says:

    My question (not to DDS) is if KH was upfront with any LEO’s about his steroid use. Did he find any common ground with them, or did it exist prior to?

  49. erose says:

    @ATG, TY for your response to me. You are such a gentleman.

  50. patriciamochalatte says:

    Wow the confusion. Me too.

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