Blink On Crime Kyron Horman Investigation Exclusive: DeDe Spicher Interview Yields Allegations Of Illegal Steroid Use Terri Horman Took To Police

A Blink On Crime Exclusive: DeDe Spicher speaks for the first time about her ordeal in the Kyron Horman investigation- continued  ©

S. Christina Stoy, Editor In Chief- Blink On Crime

DeDe Spicher and Terri Moulton Horman

 

In the first part of blinkoncrime.com’s exclusive interview with DeDe Spicher,  she revealed that after over 3 years of attempting to provide Multnomah County Sheriffs Office as well as Assistant Deputy Attorney Norm Frink with the necessary information they requested to clear her from any suspicion in the circumstances surrounding the disappearance of Skyline second grader Kyron Horman; she has finally been cleared after passing a polygraph as part of her requirement under an immunity deal that has been sealed with the court.  Unofficially cleared, that is.

Spicher and her attorney Chad Stavley,  who have since refused all local media requests,  would very much like the Multnomah County Sheriff’s Office and current District Attorney Rod Underhill to clear her officially and publicly.

Spicher is adamant that law enforcement never had any reason to question her statements to them from the beginning, has cooperated fully for over three years and recently testified before the grand jury to prove she had nothing to hide.  While she would like the public to know that any assertions to the contrary are untrue, and sometimes have been offered maliciously,  her desire to speak out about her experience over the last three years is primarily to force investigative resources to review it’s progress- and hopefully adjust in a way to further leads in Kyron’s case.

As was proven not only by her recent polygraph,  but also by the verification that no evidence ever existed to support investigator’s theory in the first place,  Spicher had no information about anyone’s potential involvement in Kyron’s disappearance, let alone her own.

The continuation of our interview, which provoked some very interesting revelations long felt to be a possibility by many, was confirmed by Ms. Spicher  as she says- told to her by Terri Moulton Horman are prompting new possible theories in the circumstances surrounding the disappearance of Kyron Horman.  Two days after Kyron Horman’s eleventh birthday.

Stoy: So, in your estimation then,  why do you think that detectives Herron and Kravfe were so sure that you were involved or knew who was.

Spicher:  I have thought about this a lot, and I think there were a few reasons.  I think because I was advised through a meeting Terri had with a family friend and attorney that she should assume that all of her communication was being monitored by law enforcement and anyone she had contact with.  He told her to assume the house was bugged as well as vehicles, etc.  I also believe you did an article a while back that pointed out her phone was in Kaine’s name.   As this was a day or two after she was served with the restraining order,  she was also told that

Stoy (interrupting): You bought a prepaid phone after June 28th and never had one before that?  I had read that you or someone else purchased them the day of or the day after Kyron’s disappearance.

Spicher: No.  I purchased one prepaid phone, after Terri shared the info from her meeting, in my own name, either June 29th or 30th.    I think they were hung up on the fact that I came to her aid with no contact for so long so they just were convinced there had to be.

Stoy: ok, sorry, continue.  So you are not saying that LE was suggesting that you were hiding some other number you had and that was how they were alleging that you HAD to have been in contact with Terri or some other person prior to and on June 4th and that escalated your “poi” status in your opinion?

Spicher:  They did not say that to me specifically, but what they repeated over and over again, was that Terri and I had to have had some form of communication we were hiding.  It never made any sense to me because I knew I only had my cell that I had forever until the end of June,  and I knew I had not been in contact with Terri since her 40th birthday party in March.  So I would ask- well then I guess that means that you don’t have any contacts you can’t verify from either of us so why am I even in this “interview”?

To my recollection they never shared with me or answered any of my questions in response when something they kept hounding me about seemed absurd and conflicting with their theory.

Stoy: Which was?

Spicher: At first,  I think that they really believed I was involved,  and at some point I think they were talking more “accessory after the fact” because I got the impression ( although they did not share it with me) that Terri’s cell phone activity that day was nowhere near where I was,  and my vehicle never left, nor did I.  They would not verify that they located the ceramics/glassware artist [pottery artisan] I told you about and still have not.

Stoy: So in your opinion, you were clearly the linchpin of this case,  they [LE] believed you held the key to solving it and/or implicating Terri exclusively at that point, they no longer entertained your involvement per se?

Spicher: I honestly don’t think I could say that I ever believed that they stopped treating me as some sort of suspect.  I never felt that way,  but yes, absolutely they 100% believe that Terri is responsible and I definitely believed we all had to be interviewed and scrutinized or whatever,  but I really thought up until the meeting with Norm Frink that they [LE] would abandon that theory quickly because if they were positive I was the key, and I knew I was not, that would also eliminate Terri, who I did not and do not believe, but have no proof, was involved or knew anything.

Stoy: Right, so if you had nothing, and they felt you were the only nexus, it had to mean that they had no independent evidence of anything or anyone else so they would start in another direction?

Spicher: Right, but every interaction I had with them following and including the request to participate in the sting against her, made me believe they never did.  To get back to the why question you asked me- my final thought on that is that they kept pointing out that I was the person to tell everyone not to speak to them without attorneys in the beginning.    I would ask like who do you mean,  because that would have been my opinion across the board for any situation, but it was definitely based on what was getting out about how they were going about this.  I was scared and it turned out it was good reason.   I also would point out to them that I did not think that was or should be the basis for suspicion because if it was, it seemed to me that I was told that several staff members at Skyline had hired counsel, and Kaine was the FIRST to have one between he and Terri and I had told her at least a week or so before that she should.

Stoy: Why do you think she did not immediately take your friendly advice?  Your Dad was LE, and I presume she knew that.  People can say what they want, but I know many members of law enforcement in different jurisdictions and agencies.  I have worked with them or contributed analysis to cases with them privately [I cannot and would not ever include that in anything I choose to write on] and I can tell you that I do not know one of them that if they were the focus of a criminal probe or internal investigation they absolutely do not agree to an interview without a representative.  In fact,  Herron is or was the President of Mulnomah County Police Union or was, if I recall correctly.  So to that end, I find that a pretty hypocritical reason for suspicion of anyone.

Spicher: (laughs) Interesting.  I am not sure that I knew that. The reason Terri didn’t get an atty before the RO was because she was told by LE that if she did, she wouldn’t be privvy to any of their investigative discoveries, she would be out of the loop in finding Kyron.

Stoy: Have you had a desire or opportunity to review any sort of past events regarding the MCSO, I guess I should add, that involve anyone in this case or investigation you have had contact with?

Spicher: No,  do you mean like any other detectives or that sort of thing?

Stoy: Have you ever met with or been interviewed with any other agencies or detectives?

Spicher:  I believe I either met or just said hello to the guy you mentioned in that recent article of yours while he was at the house.  Both Kaine and Terri were there at the time as well.

Stoy: Bobby O’Donnell?

Spicher: That’s it,  yes, him.  Why did you ask me if I am aware of any sort of events- should I be?

Stoy: Well, I think that tangentially if I were you I would be considering just about everything as it related to what you have been through,  and I am aware of some what I will refer to as “stuff” but what I don’t want to do prior to the completion of our interview process is temper any of your responses with anything I know peripherally if that’s ok with you.  If you wish, once I publish the continuation which will have that sort of information,  I would invite you to comment on it for the record if you choose- are you ok with that?

Spicher: yes, that’s fine and probably a good idea.

Stoy: back briefly to the “sting request against Terri- On that issue- the request they extended to you outside the presence of your attorney and that they asked you not to tell Chad, as you think back ,  considering you have had no communication with Horman for over three years did you believe they thought it would work?  What did your attorney say when you told him?

Spicher: I can’t and won’t address any conversations I have had with my attorney,  but to answer your question as to my opinion,  I really don’t know for sure, I knew that I did not, and thought it was really, really odd- that was my first reaction.  After more thought,  and other conversations,  I don’t see how they thought it would work, or why they were still seemingly convinced after I had just passed the poly, etc, Terri was still their suspect and responsible.   What is your opinion on it?

Stoy:  I think I may reserve my thoughts on that for my piece.  Again, not wanting to temper your opinions  as we move along here and I think that could happen if I did.  Is that ok with you?

Spicher: Sure, thank you.

Stoy: I would like to move on to another subject for discussion.  I would just like to confirm for the record that I have never prior to this interview, asked you any questions about your potential knowledge of steroid use by yourself, or by Terri or Kaine Horman.  Is that correct?

Spicher: Correct, ok.

Stoy: Did they ask you this?

Spicher: Who is they?  You got a lot of pronouns flying around (laughs).

Stoy: Fair point, you’re right.  The good news is, as English, or should I say proper English is my second language (laughs) I use an copy editor.  Allow me to rephrase please.  Did anyone in law enforcement at any time ask you about steroids or other illegal injectable supplements sometimes used in weight training or body building in your interviews in this case?

Spicher:  Your question was did they [le] ask me anything about steroids or anything injectable ever?

Stoy: (laughs) now who’s throwing around the pronouns?

Spicher: (laughs) touche’ .  I was asked about it very vaguely in the beginning, I told them I had never used them, that I did not believe Terri ever did because she and I had similar views against using them and while we were on different supplement regimens when I was training for a marathon in 2008 I still remembered her to be knowledgeable about legal and effective nutritional supplements. I had no reason to believe she had ever used any kind of steroids.  I can’t say conclusively she never did but it would shock me.

Stoy: Why shock you?

Spicher: Because a few years back I recall Terri telling me that Kaine was what she referred to as “juicing”  and that his behavior had become very aggressive and well,  impatient or overeactive with the kids and she had discussed it with him and he ignored her.

Stoy: So for the record, when you say juicing you are referring to illegal steroids, not my Omega specials I make, correct?  That was the only question they ever asked you and did not ask any follow up questions like how long ago, etc, etc.  And so would you characterize the way law enforcement asked that question and their reaction to your response as disinterested, or having nothing to do with the case?

Spicher: I was never asked about Kaine’s use of steroids by either detectives or the grand jury.  But yes, that is what she told me.  I actually had forgotten all about it until she refreshed my recollection when I stayed there with her.  To the best of my memory I was asked just what I said, I answered as I just said and was never asked any follow up question nor was it mentioned again to me by law enforcement .  I don’t think I ever really understood what they did or did not think in terms of my information was important to the case,  but yes,  they were disinterested from my perspective as to it was the only time I was ever asked about it over the course of three and a half years and so my assumption is they still are.  But that is my assumption.

Stoy:  Understood, you are referring to the time you stayed at the Horman home late June 2010 through early July 2010 following Kaine’s  service of the restraining order and her exclusive use of the home?  Spicher:  I am not sure about the exclusive use part,  I didn’t really know anything about how that sort of thing worked and I think for some reason I want to say Terri was not allowed to show anyone.

Stoy: Ok.  Tell me everything you know about that. But, I would like you to see if you can provide me your recollection from what you were told about steroid use PRIOR to your conversations about it that refreshed your memory.  By the way, who else knows about this, if you know.

Spicher: Terri’s attorney Stephen Houze.

Stoy:  How would you know that?

Spicher: Because I helped her load them up, what appeared to me to be syringes in a box and deliver it to her attorney’s office, she said, at his request.   She also located some cancelled checks for what she said was Kaine’s payment for steroids.  I don’t remember who they were made out to but it was not to cash.

Stoy: ok,  understood,  we will get back to that.  I want to try and focus on what she told you those “few years back.”  Do you recall what year, even ballpark.

Spicher:  I want to say, but can’t be sure, it was after her competition in 2005,  and I am tempted to say it was around the time they got married or shortly thereafter- I am just not going to be much help in remembering this if you are asking me to extract what I remembered from then on my own.

Stoy: Nope, that’s what I am asking, your fine,  I don’t want to lead you but let me ask you a few things that may help.  Do you remember where you were during the conversation.

Spicher: I remember it was either the one and only time I ever had lunch with Terri, or it was during a time she called my cell,  Terri had a lot of drama,  and so I was in a Home & Garden Show class and I recall I was saying things out loud to let he know I was not free to talk really or respond as she was talking, so I was saying things like… I don’t know,  we should probably touch base on that when I am done here, or sounds good that we chat on it later.

Stoy: The brush up the other party is not getting, like that?

Spicher:  Yes, she was not getting it and so I was kind of 50% paying attention.  It was either during that call or at the lunch.  Other than that, I am not remembering the timing so well.

Stoy: But you would say a few years before Kyron went missing so based on that 2007 or 2008? Do you remember if they were married at the time?

Spicher: Again, we were friends for a good number of years but not close friends, I almost felt like if she was calling me or talking to me about it she had no other option at the time.

Stoy: Got it.  What did she say

Spicher:  She said that Kaine had been aggressive with her and impatient with the children and she attributed that to his “juicing”.  She confronted him and she felt he did not listen to her.  She told me that she then called a detective and turned in Kaine’s seller.  The member at the gym, I used to know the name but I really can’t recall because I was in the early morning crowd and this guy was more afternoon, I presume when they were there or they saw him.  I had stopped going to the same gym as them ater the first year or two I met them there.

Stoy: So she called a detective to turn in the seller Kaine was buying steroids from?  Wasn’t she concerned about the fact that buying them is also illegal and that Kaine could face charges?

SPicher: She told me that she contacted a detective and said she would be willing to turn over information about someone selling steroids but only if she could do so anonymously and without saying who was buying them, etc.

Stoy: So it was your understanding that she was trying to work out a scenario that would stop Kaine’s use without him ever knowing it was her by turning in that person?  Sort of like…  she gets approval to remain anonymous,  she gives the tip and then one day comes home and says… “Hey honey, guess what I heard at the gym.. you better stop that or you could be arrested for it, etc?

Spicher: Yes, something like that.  Except and again,  we have discussed it at one or both these occasions, but that did not work out.  The detective called her again directly and she was upset that there was further contact.  From what I recall,  I think that was the tone of what she was telling me.

Stoy: Understood,  so you are thinking that it may have been why she was sort of wired about it and not hearing you try to go about your day,  but insisting and venting like she was upset by it.

Spicher: Yes,  I think so.

Stoy: Do you think she could have called you because your Dad was law enforcement and she might need that sort of advice.  I don’t think so because she did not ask for any.  So then what?  Did Kaine find out?

Spicher: I just remember there was some sort of investigation of the guy,  and I really don’t know if Kaine ever found out about it or knows to this day.   If the seller or anyone was arrested or anything else at the time I do not remember,  that was how much I paid attention to it then until Terri reminded me of it.

Stoy: Ok.  Now, why is it that Terri was discussing it with you when you were staying at the house with her in your view?

Spicher:    Because after the restraining order was served and I guess she realized where Kaine was headed,  it was sort of like- if he was going to badmouth her, in her estimation it was false, but anyway, that Kaine had skeletons in his own closet sort of thing.   She told her lawyer [Houze] and she said he instructed her to bring the syringes and the cancelled checks to his office.   We did.

Stoy: So was Terri saying that Kaine was using steroids behind her back and she found this or that she knew and was having sort of the same reaction as last time, or she just learned once he was out of the home or what?  Was she suggesting this to you like it had something to do with Kyron’s disappearance?

Spicher:  I got the impression she did not know, or at least did not know when the last time he was using them was, but it gets fuzzy for me there because it is my belief up until the time the RO was served,  in my opinion she would have tried to protect Kaine from le finding out so I don’t know if she told le,  but it would surprise me.  Terri was always very family centric.  She would protect her family unit, and that is why she did the turning in thing,  this would seem the same to me until he made those murder for hire allegations.

Stoy: So did you get the impression from her that she thought that her allegation of Kaine’s steroid use had anything to do with Kyron’s disappearance?

Spicher: No, not at all.

Stoy: Nothing like, maybe this happened as some sort of retribution against her for turning someone in previously or against Kaine if they thought he was involved because after all she says he was the one buying it back then?

Spicher: No, she told me she had no idea who was responsible for Kyron’s disappearance or why, and the only possibility she came up with after the fact because of his past behavior and the fact that he showed up at her door demanding $10,000 she had no idea what he was talking about, that it was the landscaper.   He was the only person acting like a criminal at the time.

Stoy: Have you ever seen a text of hers involving the custody situation after the fact, after the Rudy Sanchez Estrada “sting”  and she called police twice that day/evening that ended with “mark 1 for the FBI.”

Spicher: I may have, if I did I don’t remember it specifically.

Stoy: She specifically said the FBI,  who has only ever assisted in this case, and who has no jurisdictional presence in Kyron’s case, I was just wondering if you had any thoughts on that.

Spicher: No, I don’t have any idea what she meant.

Is it possible that illegal steroid use or sales and the recent public outing there was an ongoing Federal Investigation with the emphasis on police and gym members that included persons familiar to the Horman’s  contributed to the circumstances involving the disappearance of Kyron Horman?

Has it been excluded by having more law enforcement investigating themselves?

 

Roid Rumors and Boys In Blue.. Coincidence Or Clue?

It is no secret that Oregon has seen it’s share of corruption allegations in recent years.  The very public and very disturbing account of it’s Governor Neil Goldschmidt’s involvement with a 14 year old girl earned Willamette Week’s Nigel Jaquiss a Pulitzer in 2005 for breaking the story a year earlier.  As a strong argument for the trickle down effect,  Goldschmidt’s former driver Bernie Giusto- who became the Multnomah County Sheriff following the debacle,  was forced to resign his position when a State agency declared they would be removing his police certifications due to his lack of “moral fitness” outlined in the now infamous Giusto Report.   A former Sheriff,   Bob Skipper, was then appointed to take his place, but after two attempts could not pass the required certifications.  The current Multnomah Sheriff Dan Staton, who has since won an election, was appointed in his place.  Several current MCSO officers assigned to Kyron’s case were interviewed for the Giusto report.

In fact,  Bobby O’Donnell was the lead investigator in Kyron’s case for the first 18 months who according to his own words in his interview was the unfortunate subject of an allegation involving his own very messy divorce.

MCSO Sgt Brett Ritchie stated in a police interview that O’Donnell was seen waving a gun and threatening his life [Ritchie] after he began dating O’Donnell’s ex wife. Laura O’Donnell was granted a restraining order against him that later became an agreement between the couple.

The lead investigator in the case of a missing child openly threatened a ranking officer and that incident was never investigated outside of Ritchie being told to stay away from O’Donnell.   O’Donnell’s deposition and his motion to quash it are the subject of a hearing scheduled for Friday September 13, 2013.

There is no question the agency tasked with the investigation into the disappearance of Kyron Horman has had several and more recent embarrassing entanglements.

In another investigative piece by the Willamette Week,  it exposes the egregious overtime paychecks that members of the prosecutors and investigators assigned to Kyron’s case have received during the early months following Kyron’s disappearance.

It is unclear how Multnomah County ever had jurisdiction in the investigation of Kyron’s disappearance. According to the Skyline School’s filed safety and response plan,  the Portland Police Bureau is the agency of record.

Multnomah County’s former woes might have paled a bit in comparison if only by the difference a year makes to public memory, to that of their fellow neighboring officers in Canby, located in Clackamas County.

After several investigations into the selling and possible use of anabolic steroids  a Canby Police officer, which were repeatedly stalled due to his caption  tipping other’s off  in the alleged ring ,  Officer Jason Deason was arrested along with Canby Landscape Supply Owner William Traverso,  Brian Casey Paul Jackson were arrested.  The investigation was believed to be ongoing and Traverso, Deason and Jackson all cut deals for quick prison stints that shocked fellow officers and the public alike.   The specifics of which were sealed by the court.  It is now known that the Federal Bureau of Investigation continued to require the ongoing cooperation of it’s criminals turned informants to pursue federal indictments against possible targets in law enforcement and members of the bodybuilding set- to include acquaintances of Kaine and Terri Horman.

Presuming the confirmed allegations are true- is it possible that ‘a few years back’ Terri Horman unwittingly set off a state turned Federal investigation into the buying, using and selling of human growth hormone and anabolic steroids?  How could this be connected, if it is, to the timing of Kyron’s disappearance even if she had?

“… Jackson,   through a plea deal on state charges in 2009 where he admitted to selling anabolic steroids to Canby police officers in uniform, had been working with the FBI on an ongoing investigation when they confronted him with the knowledge that he was found deceptive on a polygraph designed to indicate if Jackson’s participation was far more extensive then he originally admitted to…”

“…Jackson, with his attorney, began cooperating with federal authorities shortly after his arrest.  He identified his source for steroids as Vancouver resident Rainbow “Bo” Wild Keepers, 39, a competitive bodybuilder and photographer. Agents ran Keepers’ name in federal databases and discovered that an Arizona man had tipped off the Drug Enforcement Administration years ago that Keepers was his source of steroids. Keepers was never charged…”

 On June 3rd, 2010,  approximately 24 hours before Kyron Horman’s disappearance,  Jackson was arrested on a Federal warrant following a sealed indictment issued the day before after failing a polygraph and refusing to help the FBI further.

From the Indictment:

Between June 2, 2005 and May 2008, in the District of Oregon, BRIAN CASEY PAUL JACKSON, defendant herein, did knowingly and unlawfully distribute human growth hormone for use in a human, to a person with the initials B.W., whose full name is known to the grand jury,  in violation of Title 21, United States Code, Sction 333(e)(l).

 

It has since been revealed that the initials BW stand for Bradley Worden.  Worden owns a few businesses, all relating to wholesale gym equipment or nutritional products.  Worden has never been charged.

 Between June 2006 and June 2007, in the District of Oregon, BRIAN CASEY PAUL JACKSON, defendant herein, did knowingly and unlawfully distribute human growth hormone for use in a human, to a person with the initials N.W., whose full name is known to the grand jury, in violation of Title 21, United States Code, Sction 333(e)(l).

 

The identity of the person with initials NW is unknown.

 

Between June 2, 2005, and December 2007,: in the District of Oregon, BRIAN CASEY PAUL JACKSON, defendant herein, did knowingly and unlawfully distribute anabolic steroids, Schedule illcontrolled substances, to a person with the initials G.P., whose full name is known to the grand jury, in violation of Title 21, United States Code, Sections 84l(a)(l) and

841(b)( 1)(E).

 

The identity of the person with the initials G.P is unknown.

 

Between June 2, 2005, and June 2007, in the District of Oregon, BRIAN CASEY PAUL JACKSON, defendant herein, did knowingly and unlawfully distribute anabolic steroids, Schedule III controlled substances, to a person with the initials S.B., whose full name is known  to the grand jury, in violation of Title 21, United States Code, Sections 84l(a)(l) and 84l(b)(1)(E).

 

The initials S.B. refer to Steve Beaudoin,  a former work associate of Jackson’s and current Oregon State safety officer.

 

According to assistant U.S. Attorney Jane Shoemaker, Jackson sold Beaudoin at least 50 pills of the steroid Winstrol, an injectable steroid called Deca Durabolin, Sustanon and, in June 2007, 100 pills of Anavar on one to two occasions. Shoemaker also said Jackson sold Beaudoin $500 worth of human growth hormone. Investigators discovered the sales through witness interviews and Jackson’s computer records, Shoemaker said.

 

 

From Buff To Puff

 

In contrast to Jackson,  although Traverso also sold to Deason and other members of law enforcement,  William ‘Jake’ Traverso, a former competitive bodybuilder and “Mr. Oregon”  cooperated extensively with the FBI by identifying other law enforcement officers he sold steroids to, and got a lenient sentence of 15 days in jail, 30 days home detention and 24 months probation, with no federal charges.

In a letter submitted to a Clackamas County judge Monday, FBI Special Agent Christopher Frazier said that Traverso has discussed his drug distribution activities in detail. “The public safety employees identified by Traverso included law enforcement officers, corrections officers, fire and rescue personnel and university public safety officers,” Frazier wrote,  “Several spin-off FBI public corruption investigations were initiated as a result of these allegations, and are ongoing.”

 

Traverso, Deason and Jackson were cooperating with the Feds simultaneously, and in a very public way.  Although Deason had been similarly employed by the Canby Police under Chief Greg Kroeplin, at least one of the raids on Traverso- Deason’s client,  was by Deason’s Canby fellow officer James Murphy.

 

John Hingson, Traverso’s attorney and past commentator on the Horman case,  sparred with then ADA Norm Frink as well.  Hingson unearthed the report that included Murphy had been demoted following Deason’s arrest and his credibility was called into question.  Murphy worked the graveyard shift with Deason.  The report also revealed that both Deason and Officer James Murphy, who was one of the few to initiate an investigation into Deason’s steroid abuse, were put at risk when they were scheduled to work side by side as the only two officers on that shift.

“…Hingson obtained a 2009 report written by private detectives the City of Canby had hired to investigate the steroid scandal. Among their findings: Murphy had been demoted from detective to officer for alleged dishonesty…”

Chief GregKroeplin resigned prior to release of a scorching memo outlining the city’s findings they had outsourced properly to two retired Oregon detectives, which would have resulted in his termination.

Murphy, still employed by Canby Police, is apparently looking to renew the agencies stint for bad press.

 

On October 13, 2011, six months after former Willamette Week journalist James Pitkin featured his Lord of The Flies article outlining Murphy’s internal investigation led to his demotion for dishonestly, he arrested a freelance sports reporter while taking pictures of him exiting the Canby Police Headquarters on duty and entering his personal vehicle.

Andrew Millbrooke  filed a Federal lawsuit in 2012 against The City of Canby,  Officer James Murphy and his captain Bret Smith  for excessive force and wrongful arrest which took place after Murphy used his cruiser to follow Millbrooke who was on foot.   In a police report from another officer in the case, Millbrooke tells him he is a freelance journalist trying to expose corruption and drug use by Officer Murphy.  The suit is pending.  A review of the declarations by both Mr. Smith and Mr. Murphy do not include the details of the investigative report commissioned by The City Of Canby discussing Mr. Murphy’s prior demotion.  Mr. Murphy also had a recent court decision regarding improper procedure [See Bonneau].

 

With pending motions to release the employment files of some Canby police officers to include Murphy, the charges against  Traverso were dismissed  this past May due the state delaying the case over 23 months.

Traverso, Deason and Jackson are all currently on probation.  Traverso is awaiting trial on recent charges involving watermelon theft.

As the Federal Bureau of Investigation is listed as an investigative partner to MCSO in the Kyron Horman investigation, it is their policy not to release files where they are not the lead agency of record or during an ongoing criminal investigation .

Requests for comment from Kaine Horman through his attorney Brett Engel regarding the allegations that he has either purchased or sold  illegal steroids have not been returned at the time of this publication.

However, in an article published to include a quote from Kaine Horman it seems that Kaine confirms Ms. Spicher’s assertion that Terri Horman did not use illegal steroids,  but rather nutritional supplements and had moved past those very quickly after her bodybuilding competition.

“…Kaine said he noticed a sharp shift in her behavior, saying she became self-centered and short-tempered.

“She’s not eating a lot of food, she’s exercising twice a day, she’s up at 4 o’clock in the morning, she’s not sleeping at night so we get just general irritable behavior towards everyone around her,” he said.

He said she consumed over-the-counter stimulants, such as fat burners, in high doses. In four months between January and April, she shed 62 pounds, dropping from 185 to 123 pounds, he said.

At the end of April, with her muscles bulked up and skin glistening with a bronze tan, she competed in the Emerald Cup bodybuilding competition in Bellevue, Wash…”

S.Christina Stoy, Editor In Chief, www.blinkoncrime.com was able to independently confirm Ms. Spicher’s account of alleged steroid use and ensuing investigation of a gym member as told to her by Terri Horman.

The source,  an associate of Terri Horman, DeDe Spicher and Kaine Horman who declined to be identified, went on to say that at the time it was “… really common knowledge who was using steroids and who was selling them…”   “… was not aware previously that Terri Horman claimed to have instigated contact with law enforcement to turn in the seller…”  The source declined to identify the seller and could not say for certain if he was charged and likely would not away- given the request not to disclose the source’s name on the record.

Reached for comment,  Terri Moulton Horman Attorney Stephen Houze declined to comment based on his policy of not speaking publicly when a client has pending legal matters.

A request for comment to Mr. Bunch,  Terri Horman’s divorce attorney has not been returned by the time of this publication.

 

More Questions Than Answers..

Following several hours of interviews with  DeDe Spicher, the woman who was not a close friend to Terri Horman but ultimately was the closest to her in the early days of the investigation- are we left with more questions than answers about what could have happened to the little boy whose 11th birthday was 2 days ago?

Spicher concedes that anything she discussed as told to her by Terri Horman in some minor instances may only be verifiable by Horman herself- and she is not talking… Yet.

She also points out that ultimately everything she told me she shared with investigators as far as “truthfulness” was confirmed by a polygraph – to include the question “Was she withholding any information from investigators?”

She was not.

Although limited, Spicher’s accounts in many instances confirm sparse information heard early on from Terri herself.  Not the least of which was that although widely criticized for not speaking out publicly, she was told by investigators not to under any circumstances- and when she broached the possibility of retaining counsel was told that she would then be cut off from any information as to the investigation process to find Kyron Horman.

Through Spicher,  Horman also confirmed that out of concern for Horman’s “spacieness”  which she defined by walking into a room and staring off, not remembering, etc,  Terri Horman called his pediatrition Thursday June 3rd and made an appointment for Friday June 11th.  His last day of school. Horman also told Spicher that Kyron had wondered off or got lost while in his teacher Ms. Porter’s care once before when following a fellow student out of class.

Initially, prior to learning Kyron had been marked absent not very long after she left the building, that was Horman’s first thought.  Those hopes grew into panic with that revelation that he had been missing for hours.

 

Spicher says Terri was adamant that she never had a sexual relationship with the now infamous landscaper Rudy Sanchez Estrada  Spicher agrees that her friend had the propensity to be flirtatious but she never knew her to be sexually promiscuous.  Outside of the fact that she says at Kaine’s request to occasionally include an additional female in the bedroom,  to which Spicher declined, she was not aware that the Horman’s had a swinger lifestyle.

To her knowledge,  there were other women that were asked to participate in a threesome with the couple that did not say no some years ago, but had no current knowledge and she herself was never involved with Horman sexually.

In her take, the addition of a 3rd female was an expression of control on Kaine’s part in the relationship.

 

Terri explained the landscapers “sexual accosting” , previously reported exclusively by www.blinkoncrime this way:

“… She said she had Kitty on her hip and he came up behind her and was kissing her neck and put his arm around her and when she verbally resisted with concern that Kitty was in her arms he sort of grabbed her and she spun around and broke free…”

 

Spicher adds that on more than one occasion she tried to bring that up during meetings with DA Norm Frink and investigators.  One one occasion, as suggested by her Father, a former Klamath County Marine Officer,  at their own expense  The Klamath County Sheriff and his first lieutenant had  agreed to meet with Frink, Spicher and her father on DeDe’s behalf to sort of provide character backgrounds and family history he felt would be helpful in clearing her.

“…  This came up in the first interview I had with Mr Frink and I told him she had made that call. Later in the interview when he was trying to push more of my buttons, he tells me that call never happened (implying Terri had lied to me). I told him okay, that’s what you’re telling me, but I recall it differently (implying he was lying to me right then). He got very angry about that and insisted it was “fact”. I said okay, whatever. Much later, like one of the last times I met with Mr Frink, the Klamath County Sheriff and his 1st Lieutenant flew up on their own dime to meet with Mr Frink & Keith Krafve to see if they could help by offering their opinion of my character, and that it didn’t seem unusual to them at all that I would go help Terri, that it is very consistent with how my family has always been. At that meeting, I retold the story of Rudy sexually accosting Terri (her words), but said I wasn’t sure about the 911 call. That totally infuriated Mr Frink. I told him I was trying to believe him and simply not certain about what I could remember on that point.

 

The DAs office behaved very strangely toward the Klamath Co Sheriff and his Lt. They tried everything they could to keep us separated and even insisted that they (the DAs office) drive them back to the airport, despite the fine fact that we (Dad & I) had picked them up and brought them in, and would definitely be seeing them again in the near future. It was just weird, to all of us…”

 

I asked DeDe if she used the term called 911 in every exchange.  She had.  I asked her if she got the impression that the reason Frink was so sure it never happened was because there was no 911 call on the record about it – could it be that maybe she reached out to that former law enforcement person she contacted on the steroid issue and it was actually a dispatch call versus a trackable 911 call issue.

Spicher says she got the impression that Frink was suggesting that the “accosting” as described by her friend did not happen, but could not be sure except to say that Frink seemed to become irate when she brought it up on every occasion.  Spicher felt Sanchez Estrada was the only person behaving like a criminal and that supported the accounts she was given.

I asked DeDe if Terri mentioned ever paying Sanchez Estrada for work at the Horman home.  She said she did not recall Terri ever saying anything other than she had no idea what he was talking about when he came to the door and asked for $10,000 so she slammed the door in his face and called 911.

Stoy: So did she think it was some sort of extortion attempt now that she had mentioned him to investigators and they told her that they had interviewed him?

Spicher: She thought that he was dangerous from her past experience.

Stoy: Did you think it was odd that with a brand new John Deere tractor parked outside that TH was hiring a landscaper?  I was able to confirm through other sources that he cleared some blackberry or blueberry bushes similar to Ms. Von Klevelen,  and the tractor does not have a UCC lien on it, meaning it was not financed.

Spicher:  No, it wasn’t.  Kaine bought it.  It was Terri’s job to manage the inside of the house as well as the entire property.   I knew that when Kaine would travel he would come up with this project lists for her to complete by the time he got home.  I  mean, like cleaning the gutters,  cutting the grass, washing all the windows, that sort of thing.  To the best of my recollection Terri and Kaine did not have bank accounts together- he controlled everything he made.

Stoy: With a baby,  7 year old and teenager and hubby out of town? How was she managing that?  No wonder he was suggesting that she was pouring through money like water or something like that, she was probably hiring help.  I am not even sure I think a woman by herself at that property with a baby should be on the roof by herself anyway.

Spicher:  No,  Terri  had to pay any support money or whatever to the household expenses and I have surmised Kaine gave her some sort of allowance which she probably blew through pretty quickly on frivolous things like food and clothes for her children.  I have never known Terri to be frivolous with money.  I know of at least two times when the projects she was supposed to accomplish were impossible for her to manage.  One was the windows so I believe she hired someone that time and as I recall her parents paid for that.  I believe the other was the landscaper.

Stoy: Is it a fair question for me to ask how you feel about Kaine, from your tone I am sensing you are not a fan.

Spicher: I have tremendous compassion for Kaine- he lost his child- what can one even say about that?  But no, he is not someone I would want to be friends with today and I was cordial to him whenever I was around him but he was very controlling and was pretty mean to Terri about her weight from Kitty, things like that- I am not going to have anything in common with that.

Stoy:  Did Terri ever mention anything about conflicts with Desiree Young, whether they were between her and she or Kaine and Desiree?

Spicher: Not that I recall, but I also never heard her speak of Desiree negatively at any time previously or when I stayed with her [Terri].

Stoy: That is saying a lot because right after the sting Ms. Young was pretty accusatory pretty quickly- and I do note that was based on information from law enforcement.  Similar to some of the things both she and Kaine said publicly about you.  Are you angry about that?

Spicher:  O my no.  That poor woman is going through hell and acted on information that I was told, lie or not, was given to her and Kaine.  I have nothing but compassion for her and I wish I could shoulder some of her pain because I can..   I have nothing but compassion for all of Kyron’s parents and any anger I have over how I was treated, what I went through would never be directed at them.   I really pray that Kyron will be found,  I choose to put my energy into hope for that.

Pending Matters

Through Attorney Bunch,  Terri Horman makes the claim that both law enforcement and Kaine Horman have been perpetrating the dissemination of inaccurate information involving the circumstances of Kyron Horman’s disappearance.

In a recent filing, set for hearing this Friday,  Bunch pens a scathing reply to Deputy O’Donnell’s motion to quash, and accuses the county of improper ex parte communication.

Early this afternoon,  a source within the Multnomah County Courthouse speaking on the condition of anonymity has confirmed that on behalf of Multnomah County, a motion has been filed to limit certain documents or discoverable information related to Mr. Horman and Bobby O’Donnell of the MCSO.

A hearing is scheduled before Judge Kantor for this Friday September 13, 2013

 

 

Jacqueline Beaufort,  Ellie Sanders – research and contributing editors to this article.

Jason Mateos- contributing editor, copy.

 

 

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4,398 Comments

  1. Rose says:

    isn’t it possibke WW is not writing on
    Kyron’s invesrigation because the AG
    is already investigating the investigation,
    and it would be a conflict of interest for Owner?

    How close was Rees to Frink, locals?

    Rose- can you give a quick review on the WW /AG connection to anyone not aware if you would not mind?
    I think it is flushable.

    ROTFL. Sorry, that may stick with me in an effort to assuage my anger in a non-violent way following the day’s events. In fact, I am mostly ruminating because anything I would add sounds I should be yelling it in front of the liberty bell.

    B

    B

  2. erose says:

    I want to say it is as simple as the stats say one of the 4 parents did this, so investigators by process of elimination decide that TY is one of their own, and his wife is alibied by him. KH is almost one of their own by virtue of his working out at the gym and his steroid use and knowledge of some LEO’s doing the same. That leaves TH to blame, the snitch that turned in the supplier. This does not explain the withholding of SZ. What does explain it to me is if SZ somehow tied to the supplier, and nobody wants to mess with that, and why not blame TH, she started the whole thing anyway.

  3. Rose says:

    @Amy’s
    Not only was there a PPS attorney—& imo the outside litigation contractor, not the inhouse—press say PPS individual staff had personal attorneys. Salute to Eagle’s info bases.
    My guess would be Porter, Keefer, Matthews.

  4. Rose says:

    I swear, a running toilet kept me awake in Aug, & spouse’s repair has made it a roar.
    No plumber til Monday, so forgive incoherence secondary to sleeplessness.

    LOL. Ya know there is a bypass valve- you can turn it off if you must to sleep.

    B

  5. patriciamochalatte says:

    I typed to fast. Sorry about that. I meant DeeDee.

  6. erose says:

    So KH believes this is a recovery. New developments? TH wasn’t the last to see Kyron? Go Blink!

    “I am dissapointed that we have not found my son yet. I’m glad we have strong law enforcement and community invovlement in his recovery, and I think we will contine to express ourselves based on our beliefs that hellp recover him and bring him home,” Kaine Horman said after Friday’s hearing.

    The hearing also included some new developments in the case, including a claim by Terri Horman’s lawyer that the boy’s stepmother wasn’t the last one to see Kyron the day he disappeared.

    http://www.kgw.com/news/Divorce-hearing-underway-for-missing-Portland-boy-Kyron-Hormans-father-and-stepmother-223645221.html

    “Based on our beliefs”

    He knows he is subject to depo and we are all going to learn he acted on his belief.

    Alrighty then.

    B

  7. Rose says:

    @PM. I thought Blink said they threatened her with a tax criminal charge
    wrt earned income, even if diminimus still a crime,
    while collecting worker’s comp. I assumed that was something
    the immunity agreement was needed to cover.

    It was not reporting funds subject to a 1099, which she never got, earned while claiming unemployment benefits. The problem with that was that she was paid, against her objection after the fact, so she never earned it per se while she claimed what she was entitled to. Among other interpretations relative to the fact that the Garden is also a 501 3C.

    No shortage of dark corners for LE, apparently. She was again asked about this in the grand jury.
    B

  8. Rose says:

    So with the TX cop cases in mind I just posted, and if investigators must rule out Kaine’s gym salesman as someone who became informed by a cop snitch if Teri’s police report, maybe it’s worth looking at personnel on Portland’s many regional drug teams.

    http://www.co.washington.or.us/Sheriff/FightingCrime/CriminalInvestigations/win.cfm
    This Sheriff’s Office looks pretty spiffy compared to mcso.

    Was the Investigative Service Center recommended in 2008 ever set up?
    http://www.doj.state.or.us/releases/doc/hidta_report_release_8708.doc

    Clark-Vancouver Regional Drug TF:
    http://www.clark.wa.gov/sheriff/enforcement/drug.html

    Metro Gang TF into gang-affiliated distributors:
    http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2009/10/portland_police_say_theyve_top.html

    So, here’s a group MCSO works with, publicized in 2013:
    “In late December of 2010 and early January of 2011, members of the Multnomah County Sheriff’s Office, the Clark Skamania Drug Task Force, the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI), and the Regional Organized Crime Narcotics Task Force executed search warrants at…”
    http://www.justice.gov/usao/or/news/2013/20130422_tran.html

  9. Annie Oakley says:

    Did SZ claim to be a previous student?

  10. Bumble says:

    erose says:
    September 13, 2013 at 3:04 pm
    My question (not to DDS) is if KH was upfront with any LEO’s about his steroid use. Did he find any common ground with them, or did it exist prior to?
    *******************************************************
    I wondered about a period of silence from Kaine, I forget the exact time frame, but it seemed like there was a time in 2010 when there was little coming from KH. Of course it seemed like DY and KH took turns having a period of silence…anyway, I wonder if the subject was explored and dealt with at the time.

  11. T. Ruth says:

    Kyle Iboshi @KyleIboshi

    Deputy DA reveals that Terri Horman’s lawyer issued subpoenas for Fred Meyer, 24 Hour Fitness and a dry cleaner.

    Whoa….. (A dry cleaner?)

    Yes, she picked up Kaine’s clothes while she was allegedly secreting away or perpetrating horrific violence on his son.

    LE knows this, as have I, but have not published for investigative reasons.

    B

  12. T. Ruth says:

    Kyle Iboshi @KyleIboshi

    Attorney Brett Engel says Terri Horman’s lawyers are “appearing in front of these cameras and proclaiming her innocence” as PR move.

    http://www.kgw.com/news/Divorce-hearing-underway-for-missing-Portland-boy-Kyron-Hormans-father-and-stepmother-223645221.html

    (sorry forgot the link before)

  13. T. Ruth says:

    @erose/rose

    Thanks for the re-do on the major crime team. Link worked today, but I couldn’t get it to yesterday….who knows.

  14. grasshopper says:

    Attended the hearing. pages and pages of notes. will try to hit on high points.
    official attendees were Judge kantor, counsel for Multnomah county, Houze and Bunch, Engel and Kaine, DA Reese and someone with him (couldn’t hear her name, sounded like Lutz), Cavanaugh representing school district. spectators consisted of several reporters, a couple more from DA’s office in back, others unknown to me.

    first bit was about in camera review of documents chosen by Mult Cty Counsel.

    Besides the notion to quash subpoenas that we haven’t seen, engel has just filed for a protective order.

    Bunch and Houze spent a lot of time talking about how once LE confides in a third person or people who are not “protected” by confidentiality, there is a waiver of privilege. that is what has happened in this case. want to ask kaine what O’Donnell told him. Ask O’Donnell things he has shared with kaine and witnesses (words and documents)

    Houze said Terri was not last to see Kyron at the school (yeah Blink) and that the depositions on Tuesday will include staff from school and children who were witnesses plus people from Fred Meyer and 24 hour fitness. He said that Terri has been vilified in press for over 3 years, that they need to get at the key information.

    DA objects, Mult Cty counsel objects, they want a protective order preventing any of those depositions. Their argument is that 1. O’donnell or anybody else was not authorized to break confidentiality therefore waiver does not come into effect. 2. it’s normal to share confidential info with victim’s parents.
    3. anything LE discussed with witnesses should be protected, in other words T’s team can’t talk to any of them anything about this case, including parenting issues.

    it was pointed out that these parents made the “confidential info” public to media, in pressers, and in court filings and LE/DA made o attempt to restrain them.

    Engel said the judge can do whatever he wants to shape discovery in a divorce case. He can say that none of these things can be admitted, nothing in regard to kyron’s disappearance since it’s all about Kiara’s best interest. no mention of GAL by the way.

    engel also said that T’s team is trying to try the criminal case in this civil matter, grandstanding and rhetoric. get in front of cameras to try to prove terri innocent. (irony? sarcasm?) he seemed serious.

    school rep wanted to make sure they knew what restrictions are on what they could discuss.

    judge said he would rule by monday and what if any discovery would be allowed. next hearing will be Oct to discuss the evaluation matter.

    kaine did his usual presser in the hallway. looked like all local tv were there with cameras plus oregonian. several random people hung around and listened (including me). btw, kaine’s hair and eyebrows have grown out somewhat. He clearly does not have alopecia since no bald spots. when he is bald it’s from shaving. People did ask some good questions though his answers were all cleverly evasive. Womder if any of these will make it to broadcast or print. More about this later.

  15. T. Ruth says:

    @patriciamochalatte says:
    September 13, 2013 at 11:37 am

    Sounds like you have a theory, I’d love to hear it.

  16. T. Ruth says:

    If Terri’s lawyers are proclaiming her innocence, I gotta wonder why that isn’t the headline. Weren’t all the haters saying she needed to shout it from the rooftops. Well….there ya go, she’s a shoutin’.

  17. T. Ruth says:

    Interesting that Maxine’s article, even though she tweeted it, doesn’t mention this:

    Maxine Bernstein @maxoregonian

    Lawyer Stephen Houze says he has witnesses who will say Terri Horman was not last person to have seen Kyron on 6/4/10.

  18. patriciamochalatte says:

    Dr. Phil has lost many fans over the slanted coverage of a story related to a Native American Indian child. It seems also that Troy Dunn, who deems himself as a locator, is in a hot seat himself for visiting the child’s school, which by the way is on tribal land, wherefor he was hastily escorted from by the authorities. I applaud the authorities for serving and protecting all of the children and teachers who’s safety were at risk.

  19. T. Ruth says:

    If an officer of the LE was caught buying steroids by one of the Traverso stings, they would be fired right? Just wondering if the initials above, known only by the GJ could be police officers still on a force?

  20. T. Ruth says:

    Where did everybody go? I’ve been F5′ing all afternoon.

  21. Rose says:

    I glad a TV Station agreed with me Stanhancyk is the local divorce expert.
    But in her TV commentary she failed to disclaim she’s a former
    law partner of Rackner, Engel.

    Speaking of corruption, Stahancyk averred it comes down to the Judge, period.
    She’s right. Any fool knows that in divorce Court.
    So remind me, a liberal Dem so not trying to go back to party politics,
    why the Senior Family Court Judge McKnight appointed a non Family Court Judge,
    mired in local politics & fexeral appointment dependency (in my press tea leaf reading only),
    to try a divorce custody case when she has a deep family Court bench of seasoned judges?
    I do recall some litigants before her accused her online of instablity, like crying in Court over a parent.
    I expect she needs local DA, Sheriff, Union, Dem party support in her next election.
    But since Kantor is not on the Circuit Family bench, imo someone finagled him in as the Meisenheimer
    follow-up. There are a lot of places I wish the fbi had wired. Maybe they have.
    I don’tthink Holder is bound by party ties.

    The Oregonian Courtroom pics. The man in the black & red striped tie
    looks like a 10-year younger, bit less lubricated version of Frink.
    I place a bet it’s Rees.

    Less lubricated? You are on a roll today with the snark rose- just killing me. Maybe the the toilette is a distillation feature all the way around? Yes, it was Rees, but Underhill was in attendance.

    B

  22. Rose says:

    last, for now. huge mistake for TH
    not to appear at every hearing.
    Needed to be humanized to the Judge.

  23. Rose says:

    ooo, not the last, sorry. If Engel avers for his client Kiara does not aver who Teri is, or who ber mother is, imo KH has banned all pictures, all family pictures, and all references to Teri from his home and her or it. What does he reply when she says and said “Where is Mama?”
    This tells me Grandparents Neil & Kristie are cooperative with him, if not approving & reinforcing.
    That makes me think someone needs to get Neil’s 21 yr custody Court records & see if same was ordered on him wrt
    his Bemiss’ child. And get hers and see if she got same ordered wrt Kaine wrt his father Mengel.
    This bizarre family patterning is coming from somewhere, just like his brother’s SO 3-way with family minors.

  24. Rose says:

    Kiara does not “know,” sorry…

  25. Miss Bri says:

    @Amys Sister- I completely agree, it could really make a difference if Blink appeared on the show. Even though she’s not, I hope since she was asked to appear it means Dr. Phil has done his research and read some of the recent articles here, and will be able to ask Desiree about SZ, Ms. Matthews, the steroids, etc.

    Amys Sister says:
    September 13, 2013 at 2:38 pm
    Blink, IMHO you would be doing a service by appearing on Phil’s show.

    This is out of control and the public perspective has been kept intentionally small.

    I’m not saying this in favor of Terri. I’m saying this in favor of anyone who in the future who may be caught up in something similar. When one individual has an entire school district, multiple county agencies, LE, the media, and the public against them within a criminal case for years and there are other leads perpetually hidden or obfuscated that could actually help find a missing child and clear the accused….

    You know where I’m going with this. It would be a burden on you, I’m sure, but you’ve been courageous enough to come this far.

    IMO, you would be the lone voice of reason for Kyron Richard Horman.

    No pressure or anything.

  26. T. Ruth says:

    Why would PPS need an attorney at the divorce hearing? What is it they do not want disclosed?

  27. grasshopper says:

    My favorite moment from the entire hearing.

    Mr. Houze said this: “I am one of three attorneys working on behalf of Terri Horman, a person who has been denied these fundamental rights, now for three years, by these tactics. And I am proud to stand as one of the team members of lawyers, working in this divorce case, this is frankly why we went to law school and became lawyers to seek the protection and vindication of the rights of clients.”

  28. cd says:

    Amys Sister says:
    September 13, 2013 at 2:38 pm
    Blink, IMHO you would be doing a service by appearing on Phil’s show.
    ————
    There is a very good chance that showing up on the Desiree/Kyron segment of the Dr. Phil show would be an ambush waiting to happen and would do nothing to progress the case or find Kyron. Since they only have Desiree’s word and what little LE will reveal about the case things would probably be very one sided.
    IE
    Blink you are causing stress on DY by trying to get to the truth of the matter on your blog (not being a team player) and DeDe why did you not talk directly to DY about what you knew also why the 5th amendment on the tort deposition.

    They would not mention that DY would never believe a word DeDe said anyway and the Tort deposition was clearly a legal trap designed to incriminate DeDe.

    I’ll bet the stalker hater groups endorsed by DY that tried to get DeDe fired from her employment would not be mentioned either.

    ——–
    I hope that Dr. Phil sees that DY is need some counseling and gets her help in dealing with her grief and anger because I think her current peer group is just feeding the fires of her current feelings.

    So IMO i would not think that Blink or DeDe appear on the Dr. Phil show with DY and family. I will be surprised if Kaine shows up but you never know.

  29. Rose says:

    erose is right, one goes out on a limb here by posting sequential thots in a vacuum prior to peer Interests, observations, & feedback posts.
    All of my thinking here has been informed and changed by peer observations, insights, & feedback.

    A poster on Oregonian commented on the conundrum of why Kaine turned his back on TH instantly when LE told him about the alleged MFH Plot, even tho the Sting failed and blew up in their face. To me that gets back to ATG’s sense Kaine is at the bottom of the abduction aftermath dysfunction.

    I am going back to read the cauldron Alternative from the beginning, because if she’s worth KH shutting her down, maybe she got something else besides the steroids right. She tried to come back, I see, with posts Aug 8, but they were erased. I infer there is some legal proscription against publication.

  30. cd says:

    Here is a youtube preview of the Dr. phil Kyron Horman segment. 9/17 it looks like Kaine is indeed on the show and the only other person in the clip was Desiree. Sounds like more talk of non-eexistant evidence and biased opinions all around. And is more of a crime style format then a show about helping the grieving parents.

    But this is just a short clip so who knows

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kY5VClwuf3s&feature=c4-overview-vl&list=PLFBFCB6C894832878

  31. A Texas Gramdfather says:

    Rose

    I totally agree with your position of keeping Kiara away from her mother. Young children need to know their mother. The family court has a judge that is not looking out for the child. A good court would order supervised visits with a third party as chaperone in a neutral place where there is LE protection.

    The files and other evidence may occupy an entire room. I just question how it is organized. With all the crazy notions of the investigation that we know about, I have little confidence that they have a good organization model. If the new counsel has never even examined any of it how is he going to be able to use the material? Is this more incompetence in the making?

  32. erose says:

    How’d we miss the cleaners?

    Terri Moulton Horman’s lawyers have issued about 10 subpoenas, demanding to question Tuesday one of the lead sheriff’s investigators in the disappearance of her stepson Kyron, as well as faculty of Skyline School, the boy’s former classmates and employees of various businesses, including Fred Meyer, 24-Hour Fitness and Magic Dry Cleaners.

    http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2013/09/judge_to_rule_by_monday_on_wha.html#incart_flyout_news

    Mea Culpa but for investigative reasons, yes. I knew.
    B

  33. Rose says:

    yes, grasshopper, your notes fit my “Bobby is being hung out to dry argument,
    & he’d better pray he gets to depo:

    “Their argument is that 1. O’donnell or anybody else was not authorized to break confidentiality therefore waiver does not come into effect.”

    “Not authorized” = code words for “acting outside scope of employment.”

    Detachment. Unofficial announcement he has already been demoted. Old News. Don’t Care- go after him cause we know what you know.. plus.

    You play you pay, the end. For anyone that may have forgotten, this is a position that is funded by public tax dollars making him a civil employee. Clear Duct tape only.

    Not authorized for what? Mental impressions that are to be protected?

    Does any living soul read these filings ever or is someone putting a quarter in Zoltan?

    B

  34. Rose says:

    I bagged Alternate reading after entries in Oct/Dec ’10 o’erwhelmed me.

    Tho, I have gone on to wonder about Engel connection. Did he ever work for DA? (haven’t found bio.)
    imo Bret Engel’s positions wrt to custody & parenting are out of norm for even high conflict divorce lawyers.
    So given his close demographics to KH, and his professional arguments being to the right of fringe (imo), did he and KH know each other in any setting prior?
    Maybe Bobby O didn’t send KH to Rackner; maybe a firm partner did.
    That made me free associate with another demographic Bud, Glen Anderson,
    of Varsity Bar in Scappoose. I guess I’m trying to see the panoply of Kaine’s “advice” connectivity wrt TMH.

    Finally, what is all this cover up energy directed toward?
    Not the investigation imo.
    Best guess is protection of an elective in-group under the OR Dem/public Union wing:
    Shrunk, Frink, Staton, Meisenheimer, a PPS principal & teachers, Deputies. In otherwords, a conspiracy.
    My opinion as to possibilities, not actualities..

  35. erose says:

    TY Grasshopper. Look forward to your report on KH’s impromptu Q&A.

  36. Rose says:

    SOUND ADVICE, lol
    B

  37. RedRose says:

    I don’t know if anyone posted this Logan Storm pedophile sentencing link:
    http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2013/09/still_claiming_innocence_logan.html
    Still claiming innocence, Logan Storm sentenced to eight years in prison on child porn, failure-to-appear convictions.

    It would be interesting, once he is in prison, to see if he will spill the beans to an undercover person about what he did with Kyron, because I still think he is SZ (or maybe DAD) …more likely him.

  38. RedRose says:

    Traverso and pals.

    http://www.pamplinmedia.com/ttt/89-news/154772-thieves-steal-watermelons-from-winco-stores

    Does anyone know WHY they stole watermelons instead of …oh, say …apples? Were they loading them up with drugs? And if so, did anybody actally BUY any spiked watermelons before they were stolen? If they were loaded with drugs, would it have been before or after they were stolen? Was that the plan, to stuff them full of bad things?

    …still trying to figure out –why watermelons? Dumb crooks, IMO

  39. RedRose says:

    BTW, reading all of this stuff…

    there really ARE nice people in Portland. They aren’t all crummy bums.

  40. Amys Sister says:

    Hi T Ruth. Terri has not publicly proclaimed innocence that I’m aware of. She, via Houze, has only stated she was not the last person seen with Kyron. IMHO that doesn’t necessarily equate to innocence.

    I’m going to take a guess at Monday’s ruling:
    I do think Kantor will allow depo of O’Donnell but only related to the MFH/FAPA/RO and with very limited questioning. He will no way allow depos of school staff or families.

    My guess is Kantor will allow psyche supervised and very limited visitation.

    I will be highly surprised if he does not assign a GAL yet at the same time the situation is so ‘delicate’ what with the criminal case/privacy issues and all.

    This has got to be one of the funkiest judicial situations in history.

    I do not envy Kantor.

  41. Amys Sister says:

    grasshopper says:
    September 13, 2013 at 4:50 pm
    _______

    Thank you!

  42. Amys Sister says:

    Courtesy Tamikosmom at Scared Monkeys:

    DR. PHIL – TUESDAY, SEPTEMBER 17, 2013

    Tuesday 09/17: Still Missing: Where is 7-Year-Old Kyron?
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kY5VClwuf3s&feature=c4-overview&list=UUYLR1ghzYNyvfjw78raCuxA

    Kaine looks a little nervous in the short shot we see of him. Should be a good show. I hope it in some way brings us closer to Kyron.

  43. grasshopper says:

    intro to dr. phil show next week

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kY5VClwuf3s&desktop_uri=/watch%3Fv%3DkY5VClwuf3s&app=desktop

    So anyone still care to say I do not know what the eff I am talking about?

    Referring the captains of their HateMobiles.
    B

  44. T. Ruth says:

    Thank you grasshopper for your boots on the ground!!

  45. Rose says:

    @Blink. My best sleepless-based backgrounder on AG/WW:

    OR’s relatively recently appointed, then elected, Atty Gen Ellen Rosenblum, seems to me decent deserving woman & attorney. She is also the wife of the Willamette Week co-owner/publisher Richard Meeker.

    That decency does not mean she doesn’t owe a lot of political Guanxi over many years for being appointed more than once to judicial & executive offices, and does not have a desire to press on & promote up to something like Gov, which imo she deserves. http://whoneedsnewspapers.org/np_interviews.php?npId=orww&ivId=orww04

    As we have seen in local Multnomah judicial elections, and in OR appellate seats, most often the OR Dem MO is a judge retires or resigns prior to an election which makes way for a favored attorney’s appointment, who shortly thereafter runs as incumbent.

    This seems to be the judicial route to success back to Goldschmidt’s era, and certainly is Kitzhaber’s judicial MO, and certainly has affected the Mult Cty Distr Court bench.

    so it is no surprise that Rosenblum, first appointed to a bench by Goldschmidt, achieved AG by appointment, prior to running essentially unopposed in 2012.
    http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ellen_Rosenblum,

    She was appointed by Kitzhaber to AG after a resignation by the then-AG in Spring 2012.
    http://www.oregonlive.com/politics/index.ssf/2012/06/oregon_gov_john_kitzhaber_name_2.html
    http://www.oregonlive.com/politics/index.ssf/2012/06/ellen_rosenblum_becomes_oregon.html

    Imo in 2010 her ambitions for the next step were known to her husband Meeker.

    Imo it is more likely than not in the run up to her AG appoinment, the WW had incentive not to expose illegal, inefficient, or ineffective practices by local Dem Sheriffs & DAs on any major case, as WW prior exposed in Goldschmidt. Imo RM learned from his Pulitzer success, and applied the lesson to his wife’s final bite at the apple.

    Any elected judge in an effectively one-party State, if hoping for higher appointment, or movement from local Court to Federal bench, would be foolish to gratuitously rile up public employee unions, DAs, Sheriffs, or the party base. imo in the Willamette Week co-owner’s political, businesd, religious, & social set, his actions are seen as hers, imo.

    As background, Meeker was once importuned by his Rabbi, now emeritus, of a Portland leading synagogue (wrt to religion/social/business/wealth /press local connectivity) not to out a fellow parishioner Goldschmidt wrt his significant sex abuse of a minor. To his
    credit, Meeker published.
    Pulitzer for Jacqiss: http://www.pulitzer.org/archives/7649

    http://jewishwhistleblower.blogspot.com/2005/05/rabbi-emanuel-rose-congregation-beth.html?m=1
    —–
    http://ellenrosenblum.com/
    http://www.doj.state.or.us/pages/ag_bio.aspx
    while I am what her write in opponent called a brain dead reactive liberal, her former opponent was probably right “Rosenblum is too beholden to the state’s vested interests”.
    http://www.oregonlive.com/opinion/index.ssf/2012/10/ellen_rosenblum_for_attorney_g.html

    all this was discussed here last Feb & probably earlier.
    http://blinkoncrime.com/2012/11/27/kyron-horman-missing-civil-suit-against-terri-horman-delayed-and-sealed/comment-page-41/
    —-
    It looks to me like her career was stalled from 1993 until 2005, moving on again after Goldschmidt was gone.

    Imo she deserves the AG, and would probably be a good Gov.

    Imo this time her publisher husband won’t offend her party base by investigating–let’s call it Pitkining–the likes of Schrunk, Frink, Staton, Kafvre & fellow deputies, Meisenheimer, Kantor, et al. Even for a Pulitzer.

    And if the AG has a confidential investigation of the hands that politically feed her going, and she might, Meeker would not put his press at parallel or cross purposes.

    Imo a potential spousal Conflict of interest wrt to “investigations” is one explanation for WW silence.

  46. Rose says:

    @TRuth. O’Donnell waived his gun at a superior officer and stayed on the force.
    this is mcso. Herron for the Union defense,

  47. Eloise says:

    RedRose says:
    September 13, 2013 at 11:28 pm
    ~snip~
    http://www.pamplinmedia.com/ttt/89-news/154772-thieves-steal-watermelons-from-winco-stores

    Does anyone know WHY they stole watermelons?

    That is what I was most interested in- the intact rinds make a great cavity for a lot of things imo. Makes me wonder if someones rehab has been deemed successful?

  48. SouthernMom says:

    I don’t know anything about this judge, so I kinda have a bad feeling he will rule in favor of the DA’s request. Prayers that he rules in favor of the law 100% completely down the line and back.

    Terri Horman’s parental rights should not be prevented a day more based merely on heresay by Kaine via information received by LE.

    Terri Horman is available and has always been available for further questioning, just now with the presence of legal counsel. LE has chosen not to question her since their failed sting attempt with the Landscaper. Don’t say if she is innocent she doesn’t need counsel, LE has attempted several stings in order to trap her into a confession that have failed. Under US law, she is innocent until proven guilty and LE has not presented any evidence, nor have they proven her guilty. Terri is entitled to US rights that are universal to all Americans. Terri is allowed an attorney (this is a basic right given in every situation under the Miranda warning and the basis for all American Constitutional rights in this situation.)

    All LE has to do is ask Mrs. Horman to come in for questioning and she will, with her attorneys present. LE has chosen not to question her. Now they are refusing to share information they have freely shared with her husband. The DA paid the fees for the initial RO…not Kaine. Mrs. Horman’s attorneys are doing what they should be doing to protect their client. If she is guilty, let the DA prove this to a grand jury and indict her. If they can’t do this, Terri deserves time with Kiara, IMO!

    Prayers for Kyron and his family.

  49. vw says:

    @truth…PPS lawyers are there for the same reason that Engels is there. And the DA peeps. They DON”T want any of their peeps depoed.
    @grasshopper. Agreed. Houze is putting it all out there.
    @ Rose. Conspiracy? Staton? Not in their league at all. Mess. is out, too.Served his purpose. Retired in West Lynn now. My BFF is neighbor. Kantor, IMO, not in there either. But a wannabe and highly influenced. Noted: Rees/DA got a voice immediately whether or not they were entitled to.

    They got a voice when the Judge called them before, and they took “no position.”
    Is someone suggesting that they did not contemplate the issues that would crop up or were they waiting to see what it would net them first, if anything?

    He might have information? So do billboards. Anyone bring one for Judge Kantor to consider?

    Well, Rees is now on the transcript record in a civil matter. Just how big was the clown car that pulled up out back, anyway?

    B

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