Kyron Horman Missing: New Years Eve Settlement Ends Horman Marriage
Portland, OR- In a surprise court hearing, Judge Henry Kantor signed off on the agreement between Kaine Horman and Terri Moulton Horman to end their marriage this afternoon.
Details of the agreement have not been released publicly, but according to KGW, a financial settlement to include child support and a lump payment to Terri Horman has been reached.
In what can only be described as a bitter family court feud- the divorce matter was last in court on December 16th to decide if the Horman landscaper, Rodolfo Sanchez Estrada -who alleges Terri Horman tried to hire him to murder Kaine Horman at a lunch meeting – would testify.
Judge Kantor has not yet filed an order from that hearing but Attorneys for Terri Horman were granted a continuance from the pending temporary custody motion scheduled for December 19th and 20th.
BOC Associate Editor Tarin Kenley contributed to this report.
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According to TJ, the other MFH is the hiring of Dede to kill Kyron. It is posted on his FB page today. A few months back he claimed to be Private messaging Desiree so she might be getting her classified information from him. I would laugh but it is sickening and not funny.
Really not a well individual. If it is ok with you, I am going to delete your next post with his comments because I do not want to encourage him, and I fear the dude might be subject to the Super Moon.
B
You’re right. Yes, and thank you.
Well, JO, if Desiree believes Terri hired DDS to kill Kyron,
she is truly off the rails imo. But, that’s been kinda apparent all along.
That’s a far cry from a lazy hubby asking DDS to handle a restaurant birthday.
And, she did lose her condo & initially her work opportunities. I don’t think
being a mother of a child abducted in the worst way is the
precipitator of that level of judgment.
Well I haven’t looked at posts in a couple of days And Blink posting over there will have a back lash
I am afraid
DY is getting so desperate For what She is impossible for me to understand
Anymore. Does she think only she can solve this case.
@Blink. imo a crime victim parent beyond grief would ordinarily nevertheless collaborate with the stepmother who reared her son for the good of his investigation, and woukd recognize the other woman’s loss. that Desiree does not suggests two possibilities to me: massive guilt feelings for delegating parenting, and/or father as the lynchpin/ringmaster of the 2 spouse’s conflict.
There have been so many sex offender and drug addict teachers arrested in this region, idk why an inhouseSkyline SO is not on everyone’s possibility list.
It absolutely does seem to be concentrated in that area- does everyone agree?
The dude with the attempted sexual assault with the young boy in the blackberry bushes shortly after Kyron’s disappearance has stayed with me from a pattern perspective, but there were more than a handful that should have been analyzed for comparison to Kyron’s SZ, imo.
B
Wouldn’t surprise me that TJ is in communications with Desiree and the various warrior/hater groups.
Unfortunately DDY continues to have tunnel vision with TMH as her target -against all reason and to the detriment of discovering what really happened to Kyron.
Psychic-driven searches of areas repeatedly already searched by LE …
Off the rails … MOO
As many here have mentioned over the years — that go fund me $$ would be better spent on hiring an independent private investigator.
With Desiree so convinced that this was all TMH’s doing – then tell a hired PI to begin his/her investigation with Terri … BUT, when that theory is busted let the PI go where the evidence really leads.
(like who is SZ that was able to walk in to a public school and leave with a child)
No accountability demanded of Skyline and the Portland School system is mind boggling
I can only read Blinks post by the link here I do not see it there so maybe SG deleted
I cannot see DeDe telling her cousin anything But he seems to getting lots of miles out of that story
Rose says:
July 12, 2014 at 11:39 pm
Well, JO, if Desiree believes Terri hired DDS to kill Kyron,
she is truly off the rails imo. But, that’s been kinda apparent all along.
That’s a far cry from a lazy hubby asking DDS to handle a restaurant birthday.
And, she did lose her condo & initially her work opportunities. I don’t think he
being a mother of a child abducted in the worst way is the
precipitator of that level of judgment
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Why has it not entered any of their pea sized brains that DDS has passed a lie detector test and testified before the grand jury. Since she has not been charged with any crimes I don’t understand what supports the belief that DDS was in anyway involved in Kyrons disappearance.
If DY does not believe in the accuracy of LDT tests the why all of the statements about TH failing the LDT and her, Kaine, and Tony passing the polygraphs. if we throw out all out all of the LDT evidence then Tony, DY, and Kaine should not be cleared either.
Tony is in LE and would know how to fool a LDT so if we are going to say people can easily fool LDT’s then all of the polygraph results must be in question for each person interrogated in this case.
Does this mean the house is on the market?
Currently Selling (9)
1 3 bedroom house 12908 Se Taylor Portland, OR Sell $239k
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6 Single Home N/t 15725 Sheltered Nook Rd 38 Nw Portland, OR Sell $140k
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9 Single Home N/t 15725 Sheltered Nook Rd Nw Portland, OR Sell $140k
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Anyone with MLS access?
Might have been an old listing. Last sold ’07 for 360k. Current value is higher so I doubt it’s on the market for 360k.
http://www.homesnap.com/OR/Portland/15725-NW-Sheltered-Nook-Road
When Staton said he met with Kaine regularly to brief him, we noticed the omission of Desiree.
Imo it’s likely Young is her designated liaison with Staton & investigators and calls in for
briefings. Staton would not say he briefs Kaine & Mr Young. He would just omit the latter. It is
possible an MCSO staffer has led Young to believe DDS was imvolved with Terri in the abduction.
It is likely mcso would not divulge a passed poly. I believe Desiree makes this charge in good faith,
and that mcso has overreached with providing Young with an unsubstantiated theory.
brw TKG, thinking of “the 4″ on Desiree’s gonna go down list,
who has aided Terri more, or been more directly attacked by Desiree,
than the two senior Moultons?
@Blink wrt “- I believe Kyron Horman is deceased, has been since shortly after his disappearance on June 4th, 2010, and that his disappearance was an opportunistic but sexually motivated crime (absent information 4 years later to the contrary”
You are consistant. iirc a computer sophisticate, able to quickly go to ground, maybe dated someone in area. Iirc you posited a pre-planner, maybe onsite previously. A very organized offender.
Mr Organized Preplanner, who theoretically offed Kyron quickly –in accordance with statistics– subsequent to gratification must have included disposal in his Plan. The initial laborious searches of SAR, radiating out from school, in fact support your perp theory rather than being related to a “kyron ran away/wandered off” theory. And maybe LE abandoned the opportunistic predator theory when his body was not found in a certain radius as expected, and shifted to Terri.
So my question is, with your perp theory, how do you predict what the preplanned body disposition was?
Not bodies of water imo; your perp theoretically would know it would be found.
Not proximate to school or likely statistical search radius.
The home basement freezers used by freaks starts to make sense.
LE’s treatment of DAD’s pad means imo that possibility is entertained — tho DAD was
not Organized.
What is your body disposition theory?
I will think about how I want to answer that and get back to you- it is a good question, I am just not sure I want to offer that publicly in the current climate.
B
Does anyone recall the interview where Kaine Horman stated that Terri may not be involved in Kyron’s disappearance? I am trying to find the link. I distinctly remember him saying it on camera…
anyone?
Thanks in advance.
I am not going to be any help to link, but I believe Kaine actually said that 2x. Once on camera and once in a radio interview on the 3rd Anniversary of Kyron’s disappearance.
B
Rose
I didn’t follow this thread at the beginning. However, if Kyron were kidnapped and taken somewhere for a day or two prior to death, the distance searched around the school is not enough. The perp could have driven him along the Columbia river several hours to the East for disposal. He could have taken his time in a burial on land or in the water. I also believe that Kyron is deceased.
There never was a MFH case in reality. It was a construct by MCSO to cover their ineptness in having zero certified investigators to put on the case. It was also punishment for TH because she outed the source of steroids in the area. A source used by LE. The feds need to step in and further investigate the steroid allegations.
ATG- if this is a non-local ( I don’t believe that, but it is possible) or to your point, was not planning to be scrutinized early on ( if SZ, he was in full view of several witnesses) it is true Kyron could be absolutely anywhere.
B
Did the teacher who saw the man in the classroom who asked if Kyron could assist him (and then left the room with Kyron) describe this man in detail? Or did she not remember more than a quick glance at a generic male face?
I don’t know, but it is my understanding that the witness accounts matched. Witnesses were asked not to discuss with one another ( or anyone else) so as not to influence each other’s accounts, which to the best of my knowledge they did not.
B
Thank you ATG. I was looking for the sequelae to Blink’s suggestion above that his demise was rapid post-gratification (within a few hours the same day) which I believe is statistically likely given her profile. Iirc her profile posited someone with local involvement who could go to ground locally quickly. The profile also suggests a statistical geographical range within which he would be disposed of. With a SZ highly organized & planful, that suggests a disposition plan made in advance. If Blink feels it unproductive to outline the range of probable dispositions now, that’s a fine answer too. But I believe the disposition possibilities are a logical outcome of her profile. Desiree is right to focus on where’s the body?
Also, if Terri arranged SZ, it seems to me he would have returned something to her to signify it was done. Maybe that’s how the public eyeglass speculation got started.
You are entirely right of course, I don’t think it unproductive, I think for me, knowing that we lack a great deal of information to complete a solid profile ( and really a victimology study) it is not ethical for me to present my hypothesis- what I will say this- I suspect that SZ is very familiar with creeks, farms and trailheads in the area, upended trees and the like.
B
Rose says:
July 13, 2014 at 12:52 pm
@Blink wrt “- I believe Kyron Horman is deceased, has been since shortly after his disappearance on June 4th, 2010, and that his disappearance was an opportunistic but sexually motivated crime (absent information 4 years later to the contrary”
You are consistant. iirc a computer sophisticate, able to quickly go to ground, maybe dated someone in area. Iirc you posited a pre-planner, maybe onsite previously. A very organized offender.
Mr Organized Preplanner, who theoretically offed Kyron quickly –in accordance with statistics– subsequent to gratification must have included disposal in his Plan. The initial laborious searches of SAR, radiating out from school, in fact support your perp theory rather than being related to a “kyron ran away/wandered off” theory. And maybe LE abandoned the opportunistic predator theory when his body was not found in a certain radius as expected, and shifted to Terri.
So my question is, with your perp theory, how do you predict what the preplanned body disposition was?
Not bodies of water imo; your perp theoretically would know it would be found.
Not proximate to school or likely statistical search radius.
The home basement freezers used by freaks starts to make sense.
LE’s treatment of DAD’s pad means imo that possibility is entertained — tho DAD was
not Organized.
What is your body disposition theory?
I will think about how I want to answer that and get back to you- it is a good question, I am just not sure I want to offer that publicly in the current climate.
B
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Am still in a bit of awe that DAD’s name still get’s brought up here as a possible perp in Kyron’s disappearance. Nothing I have seen in this case would point to DAD ever knowing Kaine or TMH. The only thing that points to him is that his property was on the road that somebody said they saw a white truck and also a corvette on, if I’m not mistaken, on the day Kyron disappeared and that “pings” were reported, and that’s all been refuted now. Nothing was ever found on SI, the only real connection I can recall was the connection to Tanner Pumala’s sister’s BF/ex husband/whatever, living out there.
Friends of mine who were stringers for network news on the last SI search thought it was all a publicity stunt by MCSO.
Spent 3 days @ DAD’s property in 2/’10, spent a lot of time talking to him and a lot of time with his dog, Huckleberry. His house was orderly, his female tenant who lived in another home on his property was normal and friendly. DAD dressed in fatigues daily, he was a bit intense, but at no time did I EVER get a hit of violence from him and I have a history of violence, so think I would have sensed that. The artwork in his house was mostly Native American, nothing else stood out as unusual to me, he was relaxed and comfortable having his home overtaken by a film crew. Think I have sent a link to the film and pics of his place to Blink already, but, if not, can do so, let me know, B. Am not going to post a public link to it here and hope you all understand why.
Have no idea what happened to DAD after the incident at the coast, but know that Huckleberry would have never left him were he alive. IMO, if there is any connection to Kyron and DAD, it would have been w/Kaine, DAD was not into women.
Hi SuzieQ- I do not have that, can I reach you at this email?
B
SZ must be fairly nondescript because he could not rely on MCSO failing to bring in a LE draftsman to room witnesses and publishing his sketch. He would have expected & planned for that imo. (What buffoons managed not to get a sketch drawn & disseminated immediately?)
Or, in addition to nondescript looks, he lives off the grid,
fairly isolated property, with few social attachments.
Didn’t people up there generally search their
own private property at MCSO’s request to help out?
Way to go, mcso.
assault incident referred to above
http://www.oregonlive.com/beaverton/index.ssf/2010/08/beaverton_police_release_sketch_of_suspect_in_sexual_assault_at_fanno_creek_park.html
Yes ma’am. Broad daylight, public place, witnesses, same general area- really needed a better description of the act in terms of where it occurred ( vehicle, woods, how did he engage the child, etc)
B
I absolutely agree it was most likely someone that the school would have been opened to some form of liability. There has got to be some reason everyone at the school won’t talk after four long years.
Good detective work looks at ALL of the possibilities and rules out suspects (those closest to victim) as they go. So what is keeping LE from ruling out publicly TMH?
My thought is that they are clueless, but, I’ll give credit when credit is due. There are way to many creepers in our society today, and can’t imagine why LE is taking the easy route….Kaine pointed the finger at TMH early on for his own personal reasons…thinking about wife no. 3???
Skyline Elementary is totally off LE’s radar and that should be where they start with FRESH, EXPERT EYES.
you can google gungadave for what’s new on the farm. url does not take here.
(I read this a year or 2 ago so it’s not very new.)
http://profileengine.com/people/133753180/denny.ellis#/people/129134282/david.stensen?ajax_seq=2&offset=60
seems to be the most frequently
displayed blue color of shirt with white flowers/leaves in Oregon
http://m.ebay.com/itm?itemId=380886041098
I think Blink said he’s not the SZ age range per witnesses
Portland’s mowing fleet is enormous.
http://www.assetworks.com/portland
I wonder if Greenway Park in Beaverton is on the service list.
@Greenway
“. The fairways are immaculately mowed where the edge is trees and grass ”
http://www.dgcoursereview.com/reviews.php?id=2569
I suppose the only excuse for not disseminating a sketch, as was done @ Greenway, would be if SZ had a school-related witness id.
And, it was some time before mcso bumblers knew about, much less interviewed, the mower.
I do not understand bios’ approval of the investigation other than the fact Terri is the only target.
actually, SZ coukd’ve counted on a pass,
or excuse, because he was expected to
be on Skyline property during school hours.
Yep, yep and yep. The prevailing public belief, hook, line and sinker that TMH did it though is stunning.
It was just mentioned at a dinner party I was at.
When I read all of these posts, and they are so true to what I think happened, I’m stunned at how public opinion is just solidly in direct opposition.
I have nothing to add except to express that the opinion locally is strong, ugly and without anything more substantial than the stuff motivating DY’s searches.
MCSO are not geniuses at solving crime but they rock public perception.
The school would be open for liability in a normal situation. This is one of the strange things about this case. How could teachers and administrators be so callous as to not contribute all the information they had? Were some of them users of steroids and sourcing their use from the source TH outed?
Blink put her finger on the punishment of TH in one of her comments regarding how Terri was persecuted and prosecuted by the courts and LE although no arrest was made. This is how LE that is corrupt to the core operates.
@Blink wrt “- I believe Kyron Horman is deceased, has been since shortly after his disappearance on June 4th, 2010, and that his disappearance was an opportunistic but sexually motivated crime (absent information 4 years later to the contrary”
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To me, the lack of any information leans more to a living victim. There has been no trace of Kyron – no clothing, body, glasses, etc… I do think it was likely more of an opportunistic snatching, of a boy that readily acted to please adults in his normal personality, and as much as I hate the thought, I think he is still being held (and maybe has not ‘aged out’ for his SO perp as he is such a petite boy). I do think that the ‘she did it’ campaign has put his life more at risk because of the ‘aging out’ prospect.
In Shawn Hornbeck’s case, he was kept hidden, until his abductor threatened to kill him (he aged out). Shawn then ‘made a deal with the devil’ to spare his life, pretending to be his son, and was allowed to live somewhat normally with typical freedoms – video games, bikes, education – and his abductor filled his propensity for young boys by snatching another one. Since at that age, boys change so drastically in looks, it’s quite possible that Kyron HAS been seen by others, but because the public is so adoring of this public image of a toddler with the ear-to-ear grin spread around the globe, people are not even seeing him as the awkward tweenager in the apartment/house next door.
I wish someone would take some of that donated funding and get a better composite drawing that looks MORE like what Kyron would really look like – and not this idealized media child star. They should take the older son’s pic at Kyron’s current age, as Kyron looks more like Quinn than anyone else, and add the little things that make him Kyron -ie glasses, freckles, hairline – and take that adoringly happy grin off his face – he likely isn’t going to be such a happy kid with a kidnapping guardian. People need to get real if they really want to find Kyron.
I’m not willing to give up hope that he’s out there, and depending on someone to actually LOOK FOR HIM! My biggest hope is that he can find a way to free himself and get help. I just wish we were given the RIGHT tools to help locate his missing child – and an accurate depiction of his probable looks and the truth about the initial activities at Skyline School are imperative. 4 years later, we don’t have either.
Respectfully tkg- and I do not mean to deprive anyone of their hope for him being found alive. But you mentioned lack of information being an indicator he is being kept somewhere. I would offer to you that investigatively, where this case stands leans decidedly toward Kyron being deceased, and even though sometimes our protocols fool us with a “Once the exception now the rule” ( example of Israel Keyes) I do not believe that will be the case here. 9 out of times a sexually motivated kidnapping via stranger or unknown acquaintance ( this could mean targeted, or family member of playmate that nobody was aware of) like this ends in a homicide, depending on other factors anywhere from within hours to a maximum of 36 hours.
B
@thatkewlgirl says:
July 13, 2014 at 9:13 pm
TKG, is this the link you are looking for? It’s part 1 of a 2-part interview with KGW.
http://www.kgw.com/news/Kaine-Horman-still-waiting-for-break-in-Kyron-case-121963559.html
approx. 1:45 mark (my transcription)
“Yeah, I believe there’s some form of involvement…I don’t know to what level. It could be directly involved, and she’s responsible and she acted alone that day; or someone else is involved either with her or even maybe potentially without her.”
approx. 2:45 mark (my transcription)
Iboshi voice-over: Earlier this year, two FBI profilers flew to Portland to help with the investigation.
Iboshi to Kaine: Are they looking at anybody else?
KH: Ummm, I don’t have an names in particular. I know they’re looking at a lot of other people.
approx. 2:20 mark (transcribed within the KGB article)
When asked if he believes investigators have enough to convict his estranged wife for the disappearance of their son, Kaine Horman replied, “I’ll say ‘no.’ I think that there is still a significant amount of work that needs to be done to make sure that Terri is the right person.”
Excellent response Seeker. “I know they are looking at a lot of other people.”
I have a question that is rhetorical because I likely asked it before- but if everyone is so convinced that TMH is involved, why did the task force and FBI investigate every male on the list?
B
Typo correction:
Should be…
KH: Ummm, I don’t have *any* names in particular. I know they’re looking at a lot of other people.
@SusieQ. As I trust you know, I was in no way suggesting LE’s search of DAD’s premises (after the Officer shooting) implicated him in Kyron’s abduction. I was suggesting what could have been in the Kyron investigation’s Bumblers’ minds, not mine wrt what was likely a lousy probable cause or exigent circumstances search because imo no one could rep to a Judge with a straight face he was likely to be found there, and his crime was clearly not planned.
Always appreciate your info & perspective.
@tkg. humbly, I don’t think quinn & kyron in
public pics share body type or
neurocognitive presentations. But, maybe you’ve
seen a lot more than I have. Quinn has had an online
presence, unlike James.
btw TKG, I love your comment about a vapid smile
on an age-progressed kidnap victim subject to abuse.
@ Seeker says:
July 14, 2014 at 11:13 am
YES! thank you!!
And Blink – I know… I know statistically speaking it’s not a likely outcome (having personal experience in bad endings to a missing child). I am an analytically ‘outside-the-box’ thinking person with emotions – not always perfect in hindsight, heh… but I just can’t give up hope, since there ARE still possibilities of life in Kyron’s case (however remote). I want this little guy found. I want justice for the RIGHT reasons, for the TRUE reasons, not because of gossip and assumption.
SuzieQ says:
July 14, 2014 at 1:02 am
I appreciate your input and the information you provided. It’s interesting to hear from someone that knew DAD personally. However, it leads me to ask “did you think DAD was the type of person that would shoot a cop?” I don’t mean to sound hateful, I’m just trying to suggest that perhaps people change under certain situations or perhaps there was a side to him that people did not easily pick up on. Although of course I have no idea if he is any way involved in this case.
@thatkewlgirl says:
July 14, 2014 at 11:11 am
snip…
“I do think that the ‘she did it’ campaign has put his life more at risk because of the ‘aging out’ prospect.”
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I wholeheartedly agree with this. I don’t have a strong opinion either way regarding whether Kyron is still alive or not. I understand Blink’s analysis, but I simultaneously share TKG’s fear that *if* he is alive and with a SO, his window of time before aging-out is so small now. Anything that could delay puberty (lack of adequate sunshine, exercise, nutrition, etc.) could buy him some time, but four years have been squandered.
@ Tiny wrt “MCSO are not geniuses at solving crime but they rock public perception”
One wonders why. My guess is a provincial glorification of good ol white guys in status community jobs:
bankers, pastors, sheriffs, das, legislators, brokers. Altho in Portland it’s ok to be jewish, esp if you’re
married to a wasp. I’m not putting Portlanders down. My husband and I grew up with that mentality a continent apart. He still has it. I’m in the trust but verify camp.
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What I was thinking before reading/responding to others was my superficial thinking on this facile powerpoint of Staton’s 2015 Budget proposal.
http://multnomah.granicus.com/MetaViewer.php?view_id=3&clip_id=844&meta_id=55554
Look at short-term & long-term Sheriff goals.
All Corrections related.
Look at Corrections vs Enforcement $.
Over triple to the Corrections side.
And Enforcement isn’t even Enforcement.
Look at what is under Enforcement Asst Sheriff vs Corrections Asst Sheriff.
Under Enforcement Supervisor wing there are several disparate missions, and
Marine Patrol/River Pat, and SAR, way dominate the Investigation mission.
Imo that is assbackwards if a County wants to prevent & solve crime.
I defer to smarties ATG & Blink as to whether other major cities’ corrections are run by County Sheriffs at
the expense of County enforcement.
It seems to me Mult Cty needs to set up a separate County Dept of Corrections.
Leave river patrol, sar, and ordinary Enforcement and investigations under the Sheriff.
That’s plenty, with his taking on policing small towns.
Then his short & long terms goals might include some investigations training & improvement.
–
will the new Cty Commissioner Kafoury realize she needs to eyeball mcso & establish a new Corrections Dept
to control that budget and improve law enforcement/investigations? I don’t think so. LE is not her priority. Imo she is status quo and myopic but for her own legislative interests. imo only.
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wrt “Friends of mine who were stringers for network news on the last SI search thought it was all a publicity stunt by MCSO.” susieQ imo that’s bingo. imo at proposed budget time. SAR is, like marine patrol, bigger than “investigations” in the mcso budgets.
Heron also scheduled SARs, particularly on easy Sauvie, for “training.”
I would seek to understand why they need an additional 25 corrections deputies- what increases is that based on when it also sates substantial paroles in 2013 and 2014? What school deputy makes $92K?
He should be required to staff a crime analyst. I also found it interesting that 2 FTE “backgrounders”- if that is to check backgrounds of new potential hires it is incongruent with several State policies I am aware of.
B
wrt “I think for me, knowing that we lack a great deal of information to complete a solid profile ( and really a victimology study) it is not ethical for me to present my hypothesis- what I will say this- I suspect that SZ is very familiar with creeks, farms and trailheads in the area, upended trees and the like.”
you always have an apt/ept response. kudos to ethics,& imo your 6th investigatory sense is right.
ruling out Kaine & friends. ruling in other possibilities.
Thank you Rose-
B
and, you know,
you just ruled in
sar and river patrol
volunteers & professionals.
No, I didn’t, although I can see how that is interpretable- I guess it might be a fair theory that because SAR and LE spent weeks and months with SAR responses, maybe they suspected this background of SZ as well. In part, I considered their initial focus on the school and surrounding wood areas, would be standard protocol- but only absence of other evidence, and we all know it was not DY’s- who was certain enough to file a suit that Kyron was removed from the state.
I would not assume that those folks would know how to search an area that has not been designated a perimeter- they are only as good as their intelligence- let me explain. I want to be clear that SAR professionals, who are certified and maintain statute- or SOP CE’s are indispensable. But I have a colleague who volunteers for SAR on occasion, who is ALSO a medico-legal investigator.
One of the best SAR training presentations I have ever seen was his. It included a loop of footage of him and other searchers walking past human remains ( circa 8 months) not once, but 14 times. Why? Their intelligence essentially precluded the spot, and they were obscured by flora. SAR training is largely based on aerials and cadaver K9′s. ( I am excluding water burials or containments) Very few SAR professionals or volunteers ever participate in a homicide recovery. No SAR professionals are permitted to be investigators in a case and an active SAR professional at the same time- it is a strict conflict of interest.
My thought was based on what I can confirm in this case so far, the terrain of the area and what I consider so far the profile of the offender.
That said, it can absolutely be the fact that LE was looking elsewhere for so long that this child remains lost?
I could be wrong, but I cannot help the lump in my throat that he has been hidden in plain sight.
B
speaking of stage props.
Desiree said an MCSO Search is just ahead.
Proposed budget May 2014 for 15.
When is the Final Comish vote?
After the Search flurry?
I do not believe that information whatsoever- do not. Why not- who is willing to call her out?
B
Blink wrote:
I have a question that is rhetorical because I likely asked it before- but if everyone is so convinced that TMH is involved, why did the task force and FBI investigate every male on the list?
B
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DY may be “so convinced” but for most others the convincing would nave to occur in court with facts and evidence to weigh
Even though your question was rhetorical:
why did the task force and FBI investigate every male on the list?
The FBI and LE did so because it is part of their job.
They looked at all males on that list and likely many more males and females why?
Is it because they realize TH is not involved? perhaps
but
EVEN if they have reviewed the case /all evidence and it points to THs involvement or complete guilt- and they believe it…. to NOT look into every other possible lead or personS would be a disaster for any case brought forth at a future trial-
The defense would claim tunnel vision and the zeroing in on TH never to exclude any others potentially allowed the real perp and any conspirators to be overlooked
Pondering over even more rhetorical ?….
- No one has been arrested in connection to Kys case- not Th and not any person on that list not anyone investigated or interviewed
Does that have to mean there is no perpetrator?
Does that have to mean the perp was not questioned at all ever?
Does that have to mean that the perp when brought to justice will not be found to have had some type of connection/involvement to any of those known to be interviewed or investigated?
Does any connection found automatically = a nefarious link to the disappearance?
Does the task force and the FBIs willingness/thoroughness to review/investigate those on the list in any way eliminate any possible answer to the why and the who of Kys disappearance?
Does the task force and the FBIs willingness/thoroughness to review/investigate others to include those on the list mean they thought those on the list were involved or guilty ?
Does the task force and the FBIs willingness/thoroughness to review/investigate others to include those on the list have to mean they believe TH is innocent of any and all involvement?
Hope yr schooling is going well Blinky
AJMO Peace
Well it definitely confirms that they were and are aware of the male SZ.
B
If SZ is local and knows his way around – he could be an outdoorsman of sorts, into scouting, an avid hiker, someone physically capable of taking a young boy in daylight without anyone recognizing him, cap, glasses, fake mustache, hair color change, clothing that doesn’t stand out. Camos and the like still stand out. I’m thinking clean-cut, jeans or khakis, polo shirt, jacket – non-descript – could be anyone. Hundreds of men fit this description, but there have to be leads of some sort. LOL….I just watched first season of True Detective and the killer was over-looked for years….spoiler alert….caretaker who worked with a local church and lived in the area all of his life and was related to a big-time political figure. Okay, that’s tv but not always that far from real life.
Hi SuzieQ- I do not have that, can I reach you at this email?
B
Yes, would be happy to send you a link.
Rose says:
July 14, 2014 at 1:10 pm
@SusieQ. As I trust you know, I was in no way suggesting LE’s search of DAD’s premises (after the Officer shooting) implicated him in Kyron’s abduction.
Tarheel says:
July 14, 2014 at 1:46 pm
SuzieQ says:
July 14, 2014 at 1:02 am
I appreciate your input and the information you provided. It’s interesting to hear from someone that knew DAD personally. However, it leads me to ask “did you think DAD was the type of person that would shoot a cop?” I don’t mean to sound hateful, I’m just trying to suggest that perhaps people change under certain situations or perhaps there was a side to him that people did not easily pick up on. Although of course I have no idea if he is any way involved in this case.
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Rose, thanks for clarifying.
Tarheel, All of us who worked out there were shocked when we heard about the shooting and the history of his problems prior to that. I certainly can’t say that any of us “knew” him, but, no, I didn’t think he was the type who would shoot a cop from what I saw of him. Lots of speculation of drug use was in the news after the shooting. which wouldn’t surprise me at all.
In regards to Kyron being buried in plain site. In Texas, the youth often mark a roadside spot where one of their friends was killed in a car crash with either a cross or some other marker. If this is done in a lot of states and Oregon is one that the kids do that, a smart SZ could find a marker on a lightly traveled road and actually bury someone.
For example: on the FM road I use, to travel to town, there is a double compound curve that has several crosses within a 200 yard stretch. Six inexperienced youth drivers have lost their life on that curve. Some were intoxicated and some were driving over the speed limit and lost control. Few people ever stop to examine these markers up close.
Just thinking outside the box a little. How many people really know how to operate effectively in the woods? Timber growth along many of the roads near Skyline School is often dense. A body could easily be concealed under the low hanging limbs that actually may touch the ground. Animals and insects would be able to get to a body and strip it very quickly, scattering the small bones of a boy that was small for his age would make it difficult to identify as a human body.
Remember the gentleman that found Morgan Harrington’s body first thought it to be that of a deer.
Interesting posts and views today
IMO I cannot decide if I think Kyron is alive or deceased
When I listen to Kaine and his buying new clothes each year keeping the room ready and says Kyron is alive
I really wonder just what Kaine knows He doesn’t seem emotional and seems to be looking toward his future
Job and personal
He doesn’t seem to think Terri is the one until it serves his devorce or child custody
So when I think of Kaine I tend to think Kyron is alive
Other wise most children do die rather soon after being taken Shawn being alive was a big surprise. How much longer he would have lived is another thing The guy was getting a younger child
Desiree seems to be so mixed up and upset that I cannot get any feelings from her if Kyron is still alive
She seem to think Terri can come up with Kyron but refuses so her anger grows
However she can’t be searching for alive Kyron. So who knows
I would like Kyron to be another Shawn story That would be wonderful
IMO I thought Kyron looked like Kaine a photo of Kaine around 12 might be interesting I don’t think Kyron would be as robust as his updated pic but thin
I would like them to try again to come up with another pic Looking more like Kaine and thin