Kyron Horman Missing: New Years Eve Settlement Ends Horman Marriage
Portland, OR- In a surprise court hearing, Judge Henry Kantor signed off on the agreement between Kaine Horman and Terri Moulton Horman to end their marriage this afternoon.
Details of the agreement have not been released publicly, but according to KGW, a financial settlement to include child support and a lump payment to Terri Horman has been reached.
In what can only be described as a bitter family court feud- the divorce matter was last in court on December 16th to decide if the Horman landscaper, Rodolfo Sanchez Estrada -who alleges Terri Horman tried to hire him to murder Kaine Horman at a lunch meeting – would testify.
Judge Kantor has not yet filed an order from that hearing but Attorneys for Terri Horman were granted a continuance from the pending temporary custody motion scheduled for December 19th and 20th.
BOC Associate Editor Tarin Kenley contributed to this report.
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erose
In answer to your question about the name change. I do not think that the name change should have occurred. The only way such a change would be beneficial to a child would be to hide the name by change where the father or mother was imprisoned for a crime. This would protect the child from some of the school yard bullies that are to be found in every school.
Blink’s last line to Malty is a hoot. I immediately thought it could relate to the size of their ego and mouths.
Here’s a question, since Stacey Green lives in Longview WA, why didn’t she call her website Longview supports, or WA supports?
I don’t live in Roseburg, but I like Roseburg and I shop there, and as we know from the media reports from some of Terri’s neighbors, there are many residents who think Terri should be left alone until LE gets off their asses and arrests her and prove her guilty of something. Roseburg is getting a bad rap from these ugly sites.
Why would Judge Garrison give any credence to these four people in the first place? Particularly when some of whom are from out of state. It’s not like these were bios or representatives of said.
How do they get off calling themselves “Kyron’s voice”? Maybe I should have gone and represented myself as the *real* voice for Kyron*, saying something along the lines of:
Kyron would appreciate it, Judge Garrison, if you would tell these people to leave his step-mom, whom he referred to as Mom, the one who took care of him most of his young life, the one who has never been implicated in any crime involving me or anyone else, alone. Kyron would also appreciate a cease and desist order for these 4 women and their cohorts, as well as the removal of any website pertaining to me they may own, to protect his Mom, his older Brother James, his Grandma and Grampa Moulton, and most importantly his little sister Kiara, along with granting his Mom any name change she so pleases. Kyron would also appreciate it, Judge Garrison, if you would recommend that this investigation be handed over the Attorney Generals office for scrutiny, and further, Kyron would appreciate it, if you would see that this currently frigid investigation is from this point on, handed over to the FBI and be under their control. Kyron would like to be found and he feels no one is looking for him. He feels much time has been wasted looking at his Mom. Thanks, Judge Garrison, for letting me be the real voice of Kyron.
What would give me the right to say any of that in any court of law, under oath, as being a representative of Kyron Horman himself, IOW, his voice, as those women claimed they were. Nothing, which is why I won’t do it. And nothing gives them that right either. They should not have been allowed to speak for Kyron, period.
If it turns out TMH is innocent of Kyron’s disappearance and she ends up suing the Great State of Oregon and wins, who do you think will be paying for it? Not Stacey Green and her daughter, not the folks who started the Roseburg supports witch-hunt website that live in New Zealand, they will simply go home and find somewhere else to spin their webs. We Oregonians, we are the phones who will bare the brunt in our taxes.
I don’t understand Garrison at all. The only explanation for me is he was simply acting as another arm of the good ol’ boys up north. Trying to keep the screws turning into their defacto suspect and aiding in a cover-up.
Btw, my thinking is that Mr. Horman would be more than happy if Terri changed her name. DY already said she didn’t care. So why exactly are these 4 people from pseudo-Salem, concerned with Terri changing her name?
I swear this case gets more and more looney, a judge giving credence to the witch hunters. Looney.
T.Ruth re-earns her already deserved name on this post.
B
The most interesting question Garrison asked them for me, was “Why are you hanging these posters in Roseburg, didn’t he go missing from Portland?” (not direct quote, but close.) And their answer was: Because Terri is here.
But remember, they’re all about Kyron. Snark.
@Blink wrt he….called their testimony retribution.”
PJ erred as a Matter of Fact. Retribution is a sequelae of an act
committed. No one from LE or DA has stated TH is even a “suspect”
wrt a criminal or civil act or offence. So, the Cabal4 cannot as a matter
of Fact be exacting Retribution.
(Beginning today I am changing wifi isps daily or more, traveling off & on in Aug.
I thot til Monday twould be Beijing on free miles, but alas it is Canada
in the 300000 mi rust bucket.)
@BrendainKy. Wrt ” BrendainKY says:
August 6, 2014 at 2:05 pm
Brett Engel is a member of the hate filled RoseburgSupportsJusticeforKyronHorman page. As he is a representative of Kaine Horman, isn’t this in conflict of the RO?”
Imo he’d just call it legal research to be able to personally verify KH is not a member.
Imo twould only be an issue if he publically made his own post about TH.
All it tells us is what we already knew about his professional comportment.
Good to see you AS.
@erose. It is likely James’ name was not changed to Ecker in the adoption decree, and he retained & used in school, etc, the name on his birth certificate. I don’t think birth cert dad & stepmother–even if they teach horses & FFA or whatever, would have had any objection at all if James, now living in their town with Terri, was renamed Moulton as that differentiated him in townsfolk minds from their household, no lingering inheritance confusion in James’ mind, and so on.
someone needs to get kgw’s transcript before kgw legal hits the delete button
Blink,
I’ve read over the transcript just twice. I have just a word or two…(family sx, full-time caretaker, etc. this summer…no time yet for in-depth composing).
1. I’m absolultely appalled by this judge’s decision and by the actions of these women who have inserted themselves so far into a missing child case as to pride themselves on affecting a judge’s decision via their testimonies. And a local decision at that, btw, gave deference to a mother and daughter team that crosses state lines to stalk and threaten a local family.
2. Given that this mother and daughter team has accosted and threatened simple observers of Kyron hearings in the Metro area over the last year, the hypocrisy is untenable.
3. And perjure themselves…..even if SG was not asked by the judge to declare her association with the bios, her daughter was.
4. SG is bringing a 17 y/o, during school days, to these hearings. And she is encouraging her child to perjure herself.
5. She, SG, has been linked figuratively and physically with Desiree Young from the beginnings of this case. She brings her daughter to stalk the neighborhood of Terri Moulton.
6. I am sure that everything legal happens for a reason in this case. Just as I confronted two haters online and now have a RECORD or harassment (per a recommendation from PPD) this base example of perjury and continued harassment is on record. DY and KH might even have to worry, themselves, about future suits here. “Absolute evil….sends it’s perpetuators to ….hmmm – well, at least debtor’s prisons”.
7. BTW. Kyle has pleasantly surprised me since his reporting of your interview with Dede. Compare his coverage to Maxine’s. He is taking chances…and deftly puts out as much of the whole story as he can get away with at this point. I’m sure he is getting more flack then we know in his pursuit.
Regards.
O/T
Here is information on Vernice Powell-Porter’s missing father. (Thanks to whomever mentioned that upthread.)
I post it here, because I don’t think anyone should have to wonder where a loved one has gone off to, and she has a photo of her father on there. I don’t know if she ever reads here, but I hope she finds out what happened to her Dad some day. Sounds like a suicide to me, though she says she no longer believes that. Interestingly, she doesn’t say exactly where, in which part of the mountains near Roseburg his truck was found, (there are miles and miles and miles) nor, unless I missed it, does she say what he was wearing that day. I hope, for her sake, she adds that information, if he is deceased, those are the things, clothing, shoes, etc., they may just show up someday.
http://peace4missing.ning.com/forum/topics/new-to-the-site-intro-and-a?xg_source=activity
@@mbs. If kgw has pulled the audio, imo it was in response to a Shrunk-style letter from his successor, and editir/legal ddcided this was a story not worth litigationg on 1st A grounds (and I agree).
@TRuth. you ask where was leader Desiree? Imo exactly where she was, and for
the same reason, on K’s Sci Fair Day–on her 8-5 newish job putting first things first.
It would be nice if we could get the written transcript of the proceeding from june 4. Then we cold go ver it in greater detail and it would not matter if the video’s were pulled from public view.
I’d love to finish that audio but simply can’t so am grateful for tidbits posted by readers here. I stopped just after Green’s opening primarily due to the PJ’s comments. I confess what I heard upset me more than Malty
mentions of herself. And it is not the Foolish4Soldiers who upset me. I met comparable mothers working in CPS & take people where they are at in life pretty easily–except self-interested, calculating people who despite good money & an education & a home are rapacious with close others, and I put the 2
Anti Terri/DDS Army Generals in that group. No what upset me so was the Judge’s own abuse of matters of Fact, Matters of Law, the relevant Statute, & Matters of Judicial Procedure. Slovenly is not harsh enough a judgment imo. And it is reminescent of abuse of judicial procedure & as pects of criminal law by at least 3 Mult Cty and State institutional actors–the DAOffice & multiple personnel, the mcso ditto, & State Exec & Legislative Dem leadership, and a couple Muklt County attorneys imo.?
I would simply add that mistake of fact and mistake of law by statute are usually reserved for determining criminal liability or negligence.
To Rose’s point, which I agree with, there was no basis for such considerations if they occurred- in this hearing. If Garrison considered testimony in support of such nonsense we have a problem. That is, if the intent was ever to change her name, which I remain unconvinced.
B
You know this has all been a lot of laughs over Court and the ladies
But I am down abort Jennifer Huston I didn’t know that over the counter would do the job
She looked so happy and IMO she was pretty withl a big smile and children It is hard to accept
She was not happy
So maybe tomorrow we will hear more
Blink the cast iron with a handle beats the red hat one
This must be NJ humor I like
I doubt that my former resident state wants to own that, LOL, least of all Governor Christie, but thank you. I truly needed to impart some levity here today- glad it came through Malty.
B
http://koin.com/2014/08/05/adult-sisters-of-missing-washington-girl-speak-out/
Sure beats mcso:
“Their job Tuesday was searching all 103 homes and every outbuilding and vehicle in the Steele Creek Mobile Home Park, either with consent or a search warrant.
Investigators sealed off the park, allowing in only residents. They were also talking to transients and registered sex offenders in the neighborhood.”
Failure to temporarily remove k by cps & place with a relative during the investigation (the Moultons’ home!) was negligent imo. James should have been thoroughly interviewed by cos & fbi up front as well.
O/T: This sweetie boo is deceased and one or both of these parents failed a Fed polygraph or this conversation appears in print differently when we discuss a missing child. That is just the sad fact. She was 6 years old, “we just thought she was roaming around the hood like usual is the same as saying, phew, glad she was not in our hot locked car.
B
@Truth
T. Ruth says:
August 5, 2014 at 2:17 pm
Blink, I don’t think it’s Stacy Green who has the two kids in prison. I think it’s the other Stacy M?? I can’t remember her last name but I think it starts with an M. I refuse to read on those pages anymore, and after hearing these folks speak, I now know for sure.
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Truth….you are right. Stacy Green has two daughters. A 17y/o that goes to court hearing and stalkings with her. And a younger daughter.
The 17 y/o was there in court. Responding to the Judge’s questions about knowing the bios – in the negative.
The other is Stacy Morris…who got her Anti-page removed again because FB deemed it ‘dangerous’.
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A couple other thoughts about the name change thing in general:
I just watched/listened closely and loosely transcribed the judge’s decision. Something is not right, in retrospect. This hearing feels strongly as if it were scripted ….. months ago. (The perjuries and mean girls version of the three-stooges aside).
I think Blink is hinting at this with her reference to this judge’s game plan . I was so stunned by what actually happened there – not by the stalkers inconsistencies but by the judge’s closing ‘decision’…..
“So Ms. Horman…i’m going to make some preliminary comments and then give you an opportunity to RESPOND before making a final decision.
Judge:…The law allows one to go about calling themselves what they want….the way they do that is through a name-change proceeding which you have invoked. The standard for a Name change proceeding is that your name change needs to be in the public interest. That’s a rather general sense/standard. Your connection to Kyron Horman Horman disappearance is something of great public interest. There are folks that say you have nothing to do with it…you being among one apparently one of them. There are those that think you have. I don’t agree with the folks that say that unless or if you say something you should not have a name change because that just seems like retribution. The standard is whether or not changing your name is in the public interest and until the matter remains solved/resolved and more information is giving by you about that it does not seem to be in the public interest to change your name.
…..So that will be my final decision and I appreciate you being here.”
So what is happening here? Some thoughts.
1.This judge cannot even pronounce Kyron’s name yet comes up with this decision?
2.This judge is not referring to the three buffoons when he refers to ‘retribution’.
3. “public interest” was used by WW and other Media and get the FAPA and Divorce Filings released to the public.
4. The public is/will be very aware of who TMH is – as Claire. A mother working all the steps to see as much as she can of Kiara.
5. TMH would be losing the name of a convicted Pediphile….Kaine’s brother.
6. I really don’t think that exposing the perjuries and vilification yesterday was the intent.
7. I think it is something bigger. That if the DA’s office can get away with taking away a mother’s child until they have their prize (a conviction in a case known world-wide) then they can also take away, symbolically, one’s name.
We should ALL idelibly scratch this into our collective consciousness:
IT IS ONLY IN THE PUBLIC INTEREST to change (or have) an IDENTITY if you “solve” with your freedom a crime that was committed by a pediphile MCSO would not warn us against.
vw, So well said, if you hadn’t told me your hands are full I would have never known.
vw says:
August 6, 2014 at 10:34 pm
Perhaps just a busy nite, but I have several posts a hangin’. No BD.
vw, I agree, see my post when it appears. I voted for the man. I will not again…….EVER,,,,,,unless, it turns out this whole thing was actually set up to out the Witch Hunters. (Which, sadly, I think it was not, but one can hope.)
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T.Ruth re-earns her already deserved name on this post.
B
Thank you, Blink. I’ve been hoping for the nothing but truth and Kyron being found since day 1.
This, I said, needs correcting:
” We Oregonians, we are the phones who will bare the brunt in our taxes.”
How in the heck did that come out as phones, I’m sure I typed “the ones”. Wow, to insert a ph in that is very bizarre. (enter The Twilight zone music here. LOL)
I used the word “me” in this a couple of times, when I meant “he/him”. I was trying to think how Kyron might think, without actually being him, or even knowing him, as most all of us didn’t, including the newest Fab-4, difficult indeed. So I’m going re-post taking the “me” out.
T. Ruth says:
August 6, 2014 at 5:21 pm
Kyron would appreciate it, Judge Garrison, if you would tell these people to leave his step-mom, whom he referred to as Mom, the one who took care of him most of his young life, the one who has never been implicated in any crime involving him or anyone else, alone. Kyron would also appreciate a cease and desist order for these 4 women and their cohorts, as well as the removal of any website pertaining to him they may own, to protect his Mom, his older Brother James, his Grandma and Grampa Moulton, and most importantly his little sister Kiara, along with granting his Mom any name change she so pleases. Kyron would also appreciate it, Judge Garrison, if you would recommend that this investigation be handed over the Attorney Generals office for scrutiny, and further, Kyron would appreciate it, if you would see that this currently frigid investigation is from this point on, handed over to the FBI and be under their control. Kyron would like to be found and he feels no one is looking for him. He feels much time has been wasted looking at his Mom. Thanks, Judge Garrison, for letting me be the real voice of Kyron.
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Struck two inadvertent “me’s” and replaced with “him”. Sorry about my errors.
@Malty. Yes, Huston so sad.
One wonder why Terri who imo bore so much more in 1 or more marriages, and this 4 year aftermath, & these life circumstances, is so much more resiliant. An nor program as I drove today went into the “anxiety” gene in nih monkeys & humans and suggested an ultra calm mom can help mitigate. imo Terri has some affective or anxiety (fight or flee reaction) gene.
idk Huston’s. But I bet Terri’s calm mom & dad parenting helped insulate her. Jennicer just an unknown but found her peace.
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@vw. After 3 hours sleep, then a 9 hr drive to achieve getting on time to an intimate performance tonite by Lynn Harrell, I can’t think to process yr profound post. Wil revisit. I am on board with you. What was disturbing to me was only the PJ’s interwoven comments–not even his decision per se. So off. I’m off to look up malapropism. If not that, his speak is something linguistically on a par with. wrt “6. I really don’t think that exposing the perjuries and vilification yesterday was the intent.” Yes yes. A bigger picture. Just wish there were Fed wiretaps on all these judiciary & executive “afms”
of da/mcso.
afms? who knows what that typo meant. sorry.
About as dense as PJ’s prattle.
Pretty sure I know who the sister is. Not difficult to decifer and not worth posting here, IMO. JMO but if there were true “hatred” emails received by this sister, she would not have been posting on TMH’s FB wall directly to Terri well wishes for the family and finding Kyron. IMO, had she been the recipient of “hate” emails re Kyron, she would have gone straight to the PD, or at least, should have, on notification of his disappearance.
I’m thinking all blown out of context. But then, who knows.
@vw. a lay opinion only re “The standard for a Name change proceeding is that your name change needs to be in the public interest.”
He made that up.
LOL. I do that sometimes, but I don’t have a gavel and I am rarely if ever aware that I do it.
B
@Blink. name changing has heretofore appeared to be one of Terri’s coping mechanisms in life’s transitions wrt herself (4 surnames in all & working on a 5th) & son. Not said negatively, just suggesting it’s a familiar therefore
comforting defense as marriages end.
Possible, but I mostly think that it just comes with the territory of being married and divorced 3x. In this situation, because she testified that she did not discuss her name change with James nor her parents, whom she lives with, I truly believe that this was an orchestrated event for purposes of creating a record for future pleadings. They did not draw her off, and I especially admired how she continues to refer to Kyron as “my son.”
I believe changing James last name when he was put under guardianship of her parents had something to do with creating a recognized name within the school, and likely benefits and support issues- but that is a guess on my part.
B
ot levity only for those who can’t sleep or are sedentary elderly like me….
the “comedian”
http://on.cc.com/O4Al6W
It’s funny to me, maybe not to others.
Kinda like PJ didn’t grasp the basics.
Finally had the time today to listen to the whole hearing via Kyle on YouTube. Very interesting. My take on it is that the Judge let the illiterate haters hang themselves. Loved that he “seemed so unaware” of the connection to “Karen”. The second testimonies of Vernice and SG will be particularly useful in any kind of harassment suit that TMH and Houze might be planning. Nothing TMH does would not be w/o his blessing and her showing up there alone, unrepresented, speaks volumes to me as to strategy. Saw the footage of her leaving and getting into her Mom’s car, escorted by Deputies. She didn’t look upset, she looked like someone who had done what she set out to do.
Very sad today about Jennifer Huston, and even sadder to read the comments on the various news sites that were posted by people similar to the illiterate TMH haters. These people need to deal w/their own trauma’s, just apparently easier for them to ignore them by focusing on another subject…..and so it goes.
Rose says:
August 5, 2014 at 11:31 pm
I read about suicide with unidom. Apparently a bottle causes
elevated heart rate to extent of triggering a heart attack. Then
there’s liver damage down the road. Any stay at home with 2
preschool kids can sympathize & understand. Reminds me of what Terri
lived thru with handling an infant & Kyron & a high schooler
with her supportive husband who traveled for work and a tight budget.
http://blinkoncrime.com/2013/12/31/kyron-horman-missing-new-years-eve-settlement-ends-horman-marriage/comment-page-112/#comment-2227755
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O/T
@rose
I respectfully disagree that being a stay at home mom had anything to do with Jennifer Huston’s suicide. This poor lady had to have suffered from mental illness to leave her poor babies to grow up without their mother. Working moms don’t exactly have it easy. Try working while your children are asleep and then coming home tired when your children are just waking up and dad is going off to work, all so that you can avoid childcare and be able to be home with your children. Many people do this successfully. She did not commit suicide because she couldn’t handle being a stay at home mom. Depression can happen to anyone.
Not Rose Bumble, but since I know her background pretty well and prolly can translate her “succinct” speak better than most, lol, I hope she will not mind if I weigh in here as well.
She was referring to the stressors that can exacerbate someone who may have an underlying condition. You are 1000% correct that deppressive disorders are not “caused” by being a stay at home Mom, or any other high-stress/high-reward job.
The truth is depression can surface, or flare, or linger, or any other permutation for reasons science and psychiatry still do not have truly figured it out. They HAVE come a long way in treating it however, I truly wish that Ms. Huston had sought help and I beg anyone that is having symptoms of depression to see their Dr, and in conjunction with therapy it is highly treatable and nobody has to feel that way.
I mentioned I did some intern work in PTSD- let me say that it breaks my heart the way some people struggle-
**ETA** After my bike ride home from school where I drove over a snake accidentally, I wanted to add something to my post about this, as I consider mental health or in this case depression, germane to any case I cover. I wanted to add that very frequently, because they feel “abnormal” for feeling depressed, people hide it from those closest to them. Frequently, it is due to a different condition, or co-exits with anxiety- which I can tell you as a point of fact I have suffered from my entire life, but did not realize what it was until sometime in my mid-thirties- I just thought it was normal to worry about things all the time, and of course times 10 once my children were born.
I have never suffered from depression, but I can say that following the death of my Mother I could see how the grief process could spiral that way, I also had an outstanding therapist, and I realize that some may not be able to benefit from that for whatever reason, but I am telling you that it can make all the difference, and if you meet one that is not right, meet with 20 until you do. You ( collective you whoever reads this that needed to, will be glad you did).
It is fair to say that because in my work I see some pretty awful deaths, not just that I work on personally in practice but that I study- it compounds my sorrow as to why anyone would think they had no hope- because life is a supreme gift that on some level or on some plane, that person was not a victim of a heinous crime or homicide so I feel like they have squandered something taken from someone else through no fault of their own. Not to get into the PTSD discussion here- but I would like to say that many in the APA community feel that PTSD is a “relative” condition, and that basically most suffering any level of trauma across the board needs to consider building skills for resiliency. I would like to recommend any publications by Glenn Schiraldi, PhD.
B
cd says:
August 6, 2014 at 6:51 pm
It would be nice if we could get the written transcript of the proceeding from june 4. Then we cold go ver it in greater detail and it would not matter if the video’s were pulled from public view.
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I meant Aug 4(name change hearing) not June 4 I must have June 4 on the brain.
first comment in this article is apparently a leader in a Mult Cty Partent Alienation activist community.
http://www.oregonlive.com/pacific-northwest-news/index.ssf/2014/08/cannon_beach_killing_jessica_s_6.html#comments
My only objection to his comment is that this is the province of women. Dads can fit the alienator’s role too.
wrt his saying “..who was using her children as pawns and when she couldn’t continue to manipulate the situation she too the final desperate step to keep her ex from their children.”
Imo the time before k’s first independent nonsupervised visit when she gets k for the day or an overnight may be equally dangerous to k if KH has this syndrome. His behaviors with 2 maybe 3 children have been consistent (ie James was functionally cut off from Ecker when under KH’s roof. Kyron was cut off from DY early in life, and he would not consider Kyron’s own later request. k was cut off absolutely ftom mother.)
And if Ky was asking to live with DY, and TH was embarking on divorce and supported that plan for her psychological son and would testify for DY, then Kyr was in similar jeopardy on the brink of a weekend visit, and summer weeks, in a theoretical parent alienator’s mind as these 2 girls were. What would happen to k if a Court had residentially placed k with TH?
Maybe the person TH was fearful for & has protected by not litigating custody, just like the girls’ Dad chose, was baby k herself.
Perhaps Terri could get support from Joe’s parent alisnation victim group if he can get over his labeling it’s a mothers only syndrome.
I suggest an article update from Blink incorporating
that audio transcript & preserving it, with her analysis
when her Finals are final.
Dear Heaven let me the see the light at the end of that tunnel.
B
TY for weighing in Blink to elaborate on my phone speak.
The NPR story I heard yesterday emphasized genetic origins of affective vulnerabilities or an anxiety disorder
(depression, or bipolar). And in that particular story, nih research on what helps
insulate generically predisposed primates from disasterous outcomes. In that study, a very calming mother
was beneficial. I am sure many other factors, Bumble, as well as chance, lead to different outcomes for those with
affective or anxiety-related vulnerabilities. My own interest is what leads to resiliance in someone with genetics apparently not in their corner (like Terri) & tragedies like Jennifer’s.
I remember those 6 pm handoffs to Dad as his foot crossed the threshhold & fleeing for errands in toddler years, and have the genetic vulnerabilities.
Imo stay at home mothers, esp those residing in new communities who’ve moved frequently, suffer heightened risk for social isolation and absence of supports, and fewer sources of self esteem & feelings of success a working woman has access to, that social isolation & lack of positive job site feedback could make the difference.
Right now I wonder where Terri gets her resilience?
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@MHarris. Lewis & Clark. noted alma mater of Keith Meisenh & H Kantor. Same class?
imo not worth checking.
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Imo the “extended family member” email recipient was someone who in those months referred to had a similar position in and take on the Horman clan to Terri, with whom there is evidence of other sympathetic mutual contact. . That would to me be Topher’s wife or Kristian’s first wife.
T.Ruth
Your postulated response to the judge is exactly what could change things. You are local, a resident of the state. A letter with a respectful intro addressed to the judge containing your posted comments could possibly create a new way to think about Kyron.
I totally agree that you have captured the essence of what should be happening.
Malty says:
August 6, 2014 at 10:25 pm
You know this has all been a lot of laughs over Court and the ladies
But I am down about Jennifer Huston I didn’t know that over the counter would do the job
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Malty, over the counter sleeping medications when taken in a large enough dose can lead to coma and death, but JH’s cause of death was asphyxiation which usually means the person hanged herself.
Depression can be so insidious that even close family members can miss it. As Blink says, it usually responds to treatment, so it is so important to seek help if the symptoms persist for over two weeks.
Thank you for your use of the word insidious as it relates to depression- I could not agree more. I also agree that many overdoses categorized as non-lethal may be entirely lethal to different individuals- I was never sure why it was reported that she purchased a non-lethal dose. If someone wants to die, I posit anything can be lethal, really.
B
If we knew about TH’s request for a name change, I am sure her attorneys knew as well. I think it is quit possible as Blink says that this had the outcome that both TH and her attorneys wanted. It showed exactly what TH is dealing with and it was achieved right under the eyes of justice. Has DY or her sister made any statements about this on any of the facebook sights…I can not read there.
having looked up suicide by asphyxiation,
I see one used an additional piece
of equipment & this seems planned.
stressed was apparently an understatement.
I agree with Blink now–Terri was coached. As an example, her reply to PJ Icicle that she had not discussed with parents was poignant. She cannot discuss anything relating to her life with parents, or they’ll get subpoenaed like Cook & DDS. PJ was on a fishing expedition for the DA, and Terri was coached imo PJ would ask have you discussed this wigh parents, have you discussed this with James. She was coached to say No truthfully. This just points to her necessary social isolation from signif others even in her own home.
@SuzieQ says:
August 7, 2014 at 3:35 am
I sure hope you and Blink are right. Would explain her not discussing with parents, etc. Would explain her choice of a fictional character name change as well. Because the whole thing was fiction, never intended.
That would make me smile. (And make me a whole lot happier with Judge Garrison, as well.)
Thanks for getting to that- I am still literally catching flies in my jaw that she was never asked why she picked that name. How can one conclude if one is trying to change a name for fraudulent reasons? I’m certain the public ( to include the hater crater et al and media) were “INTERESTED” in her choice of name. If we are protecting the STAR and NATIONAL ENQUIRER sector- why would Judge Garrison not so much as ask?
B
@Rose says:
August 7, 2014 at 8:01 am
Re: Cannon Beach
The mother obviously had mental issues. So sad, a female Josh Powell. Same thing, *if I can’t have them, nobody can*. Children to them are possessions. I worried long ago about the similarities between KH’s controlling personality and JP’s. I still do. I hope to be proven that my worry was senseless once TMH’s visits with her daughter begin.
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Did someone upthread say Brett Engle posts or posted on the witch-hunter sites? Really? Or hit a *like* button there?
GraceintheHills says:
August 7, 2014 at 11:06 am
Malty, over the counter sleeping medications when taken in a large enough dose can lead to coma and death, but JH’s cause of death was asphyxiation which usually means the person hanged herself.
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OT … A side note re: Jennifer Huston cause of death being asphyxiation.
Asphyxiation does not always mean that the person hanged themselves.
Very possible that an overdose of sleep meds would cause nausea & vomiting – death by asphyxiation could have been due to pulmonary aspiration (inhaling vomit).
Of course not all details of this lost souls death have been released – but I don’t recall reading anything about a rope or such object among the items that JH had with her ( stopping for trail mix and sleep aid, putting gas in her her car, etc). Maybe/maybe not.
Pulmonary aspiration seems a likely scenario though.
Sammy- respectfully submitted, and I am not going to detail possibilities here on a suicide, but while I agree with you details have not been released intentionally, I do not believe it would be announced that her death was classified as a suicide if it was do to aspiration of any form that was not intentional on her part, or say a side effect of other action requiring further medico legal investigation.
B
@A Texas Grandfather says:
August 7, 2014 at 10:51 am
Thank you, ATG. I don’t think anything I could say, not at this point anyway, would do much good. I do think that if someone else who actually knew this child, say a grandmother or grandfather, or a concerned uncle or aunt, or brother, would come forward and say this case needs to be re-addressed by the feds, then something might come of it. I would even suggest a teacher, but we know they’re not talking. It’s obvious that his bio-parents are not going to do it. One of them appears to be totally happy with the lack of outcome of this “marathon” investigation and the other wants to personally retrace the same steps followed in the first place.
Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results. Albert Einstein
Someone, someone who knew this child and cared for him, needs to step up to the plate and see that changes are made in the direction of this investigation. Start over, already, blow the tunnel vision up! Who knows maybe there’s a light at the end.
@Blink. that is why I only used the phrase “other equipment” & by plan.
A commenter said to google the phrase LE used as cause of death, & I did, and neither
hanging nor pulmonary aspiration would be accurate. however, I felt the lady herself had
done her online research, and LE & family were aware of that. I have no
doubt some Sheriff’s or mayor’s emloyee will say more to someone tho,
just like the Kyron gossip.
@TRuth. Someone above said Engel is a FB member
of the group, not that he has had any activity.
I did not go on FB to verify for myself.
Changing one’s name is like getting a face lift. You are still the same person inside.
@ T Ruth. You have a way of jerking my inner feelings What you wrote was very well said I appreciate you
@Suzie Q I am coming at this from the same direction as you and Blink
These ladies wanted Terri to speak. Now she has I love my son
They are so far in emotional hate I doubt if the truth of this ordeal will set in for years
I cannot take this name change as anymore than getting these people to show their selves as the are
And getting things on record.
Terri looked good Handled the situation well Canceled out all those ugly distorted pics they have put on FB
She was not crying or begging for a name change This convinced me that the name change was just a tool to get things on record
There are many ways to get things done. Besides calling names Foul talk Push and shove And open hate
I truly respect those who can use their imagination
@everyone I have been very concerned about Briana. She is young In my mind I think she needs to break away from this case and her mother.
FYI
The law
CHANGE OF NAME 33.410 Jurisdiction; grounds. Application for change of name of a person may be heard and determined by the probate court or, if the circuit court is not the probate court, the circuit court if its jurisdiction has been extended to include this section pursuant to ORS 3.275 of the county in which the person resides. The change of name shall be granted by the court unless the court finds that the change is not consistent with the public interest. [Amended by 1967 c.534 s.11; 1975 c.733 s.1]
http://www.namechangelaw.com/states/or/oregon.htm
What is public interest?
NAME CHANGE LEGAL GROUNDS
The court must find that the requested name change is consistent with public interest, meaning that you may not change your name in order to avoid judgments or legal actions against you.
A person is not allowed to change their name in order to avoid judgments or legal actions against him or her, or to avoid debts and obligations. A person can not change their name to defraud any person.
http://www.legalzoom.com/name-change-glossary/name-change-legal-grounds.html
Given that Th had to fill out the standard forms it seems these Questions answered truthfully may have already sealed the decision as she would have at least 3 considerations marked for careful consideration without bringing in anything the 4 witnesses said:
1. I have not been convicted of a crime. I have been convicted of:
Name of County
State
Year Convicted
Convicted of:
(TH would have been convicted of a DUI-With Child endangerment as a factor)
KIM If she were granted a name change then she would be able to truthfully answer no to the question on all applications- to all persons- it would not show up on any background check to include government work with vets-
next # 3
3. I do not have a domestic violence, restraining order, stalking order, or no contact order in effect against me in Oregon or in any other state or tribe
except for:
Name of County
State
Date Issued
Type of Case:
– Again she does have a no contact order against her as does her ex so this would be a factor in deciding “public interest” which citing the “type of case” would bring up all info about possible MFH and questions on the disappearance
4. I do not have a obligation to pay child support or to pay off child support arrearages.
- TH does have an obligation to pay child support so this question would be a factor in determining “public interest” under obligations
5. I have not used other names. My former or other names are: __________________________
_________________________________________________________________________________________
She has used other names-do not know if those names would be attached to “public interest” matters or not
http://courts.oregon.gov/Multnomah/docs/FamilyCourt/NameChangePacket_ForAdults.pdf
— TH said she did not speak to her adult child nor her parents regarding her decision to change her entire name- she did say they would understand- She could not have talked to Kiara-about it yet – so she does not know if any would have an objection-
Point is perhaps each might have objections or reservations
In Oregon Any individual can object to the Petition for Name Change Any reasonable objections made to the court may influence the court’s findings as to whether the change of name is consistent with the public interest.
Given all the above Since Kyrons case is ongoing since there are GJuries involved since TH has invoked the privilege…
This judge determined that at this time granting THs name change would not be consistent with the public interest.
Too many factors and unanswered questions still up in the air
And so, IOW TH could be attempting to change her name in order to avoid judgments or legal actions against her or to avoid debts and obligations or to defraud any person
Without a “response” from TH with counsel present(as the judge called for) was there any other decision to be made other than to deny?
IMO no-
whther it is “fair” or not the judge decided based on the law
He was not taking those ladies words as his finding for “public interest” IMO he found it to be unreasonable and retribution -
Public interest here, refers to the legal definition
AJMO Peace
I went and read the famous solders site last night There they are thrilled to have won the war. Claiming that Greenteeth (as the world knows her LOL). Did a wonderful job job considering she was completely un prepared to testify. Did not have any idea she would be called on as a witness
I don’t hate these people They tend to draw out my humor and concern
I should not watch the news but I am addicted.
I am now upset about the little 6 yr old Wright girl They found her body
This stuff is heart breaking
Thanks for all who responded to Jennifer Huston
Every day they do not find Kyrons body gives me hope We all care even if hundreds of thousands don’t know our names
I feel like writing our Oregonian. To complain they are using those old and fake pics of Terri
It is time they Update I just can’t figure how to get my point across.
People have asked Where is Desiree.
She works for the State University system, a
public employer, now. Perhaps that has impacted
her public actions & statements.
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OT tonite on a local npr station I heard an knterview with a female attorney
who was mentored in law school by Cheryl Hanna. This lady–the former student if
a law prof who committed suicide 3 days ago– outlined
her own challenges with seeking treatment whilst depressed
due to fears stigma & professional impact, just as Hanna did.
Apparently now in VT there is a new discussion about stigma.
http://m.sevendaysvt.com/vermont/cheryl-hannas-struggle-illustrates-problems-in-vermont/Content?oid=2412459
It seems in VT there was also the problem a law school prof could not get an acute psych bed in Burlington–same thing as happened in VA when a State Senator’s son couldn’t get one & died.
Now VA is legislating a fix on psych beds. State Senators have more clout
than law profs.
As far as DDS & Terri go, I don’t know how they keep on keeping on.
I would like to be a fly on any wall of any person who wants TMH arrested and hear their reactions to TMH referring to Kyron, in court, as ¨my son.¨
Dig. Ouch.
I liked it. Good thing to say. Glad to finally hear from her about Kyron, even this one little drop-in-bucket.
@Malty.
“I cannot take this name change as anymore than getting these people to show their selves as the are
And getting things on record.”
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Yes, Malty. That too. The “decision” smacked of being in the making before that aphasic judge had ever stepped into the courtroom. Echoes of Kantor’s decisions made before costly motions were ever on his lap.
But who will take note? And why?
Some hopes:
That those haters stop tearing down legitimate flyers and using them for target practice.
That Kaine stop asking for “cash only” in his fundraising posters.
And that Desiree Young contemplates the 7.5 million hits her name gets on Google vs 407,000 for Kyron.