Kyron Horman Missing: New Years Eve Settlement Ends Horman Marriage
Portland, OR- In a surprise court hearing, Judge Henry Kantor signed off on the agreement between Kaine Horman and Terri Moulton Horman to end their marriage this afternoon.
Details of the agreement have not been released publicly, but according to KGW, a financial settlement to include child support and a lump payment to Terri Horman has been reached.
In what can only be described as a bitter family court feud- the divorce matter was last in court on December 16th to decide if the Horman landscaper, Rodolfo Sanchez Estrada -who alleges Terri Horman tried to hire him to murder Kaine Horman at a lunch meeting – would testify.
Judge Kantor has not yet filed an order from that hearing but Attorneys for Terri Horman were granted a continuance from the pending temporary custody motion scheduled for December 19th and 20th.
BOC Associate Editor Tarin Kenley contributed to this report.
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what time did school “start” officially and tour groups form?
What is the time frame in which K was witnessed departing Matthews room?
thank you.
I do not have a finite window, I have witnesses interviews which span from from 9:05AM to 9:25AM as a jump off point. I am going to remind all that we are talking about witness accounts and we have kids that resemble Ky and I am working with those that are certain they saw Kyron.
B
Well, Kaine. It’s almost five years now. Where is he?
First, how in the world could the school have control of the kids, if they weren’t reporting to their classrooms when the bell rang, and then being put into groups within that classroom.
Second, if Kyron waved bye to TH and did not go to his classroom whether by his own choice or school dysfunction, he may have never been placed in to a group and when seen perhaps staff thought he was with this group or that group and no one even recognized he was not really being monitored. Perhaps SZ picked up on the fact that Kyron was not in any assigned group and therefore became the target.
Third, if Porter never saw Kyron, never assigned him in to a group, why wouldn’t her response to TP have been, “Kyron’s not here today.” But, if Porter was not in her room until 10 am after the SF was over and someone else had charge of her classroom then she would have no idea where Kyron or any other kid was at that point.
The reader board says IB expo was from 8-10 am.
I thought the procedure was that parents could come with kids early (meaning before school normally started), but once the kids got off the school buses, the kids went to their classrooms and were assigned into groups.
Otherwise, there would be all the kids whose parents couldn’t come just wandering around the school up until the point they were assigned in to groups and the discretion of each classroom. Now that would be highly unorganized.
so the “she left” referring to parent volunteer with group or
the substitute sped para aide with group, could have meant after TP asked the Q
where is Kyron, and the aide echoed him maybe, and Porter
bkew them off,!the group leader who had Kyron listed in her group
left the classroom not to go home but left the room to tour with her group without him.
Makes sense, esp if she was the sub para & would be at school all day.
Porter was a piece of work to brazen ber way out of this.
Porter was advised.
B
So he was seeing the cool electric room as an independent explorer at
the very time Porter was forming class tour groups. How tragic. Why didn’t
Matthews ask the wanderer where he was supposed to be at that time?
The warning bell was at 8:35. The final bell, signaling the beginning of class, was at 8:45, which coincided with Terri’s departure and her waving goodbye to him.
The tour groups were supposed to form at 8:45 and tour until 10:00 am.
The exchange between TP and Ms. Porter was reported as occurring after the tours ended (10:00). We never actually hear TP say when it happened–that fact came from a reporter. The reporter in the original video prefaces TP’s segment by saying that the conversation happened after the tour groups returned. IMO, TP’s statement fits either context (8:45 or 10:00). However, the urgent concern of the “substitute” pushes me toward the 10:00 scenario.
Kyron was marked absent at 10:00, according to PPS, which is a damning admishing, imo. Role should have been taken at 8:45 prior to forming tour groups.
If the TP/Porter exchange happened around 10:00 and roll was taken around 10:00, then Ms. Porter made the mental leap from “bathroom/drink of water” to “absent” in a very short period of time.
@Rose says:
March 29, 2015 at 6:32 pm
I thought Kaine said kiara saw it all.
I wish they’d coordinate their story lines.
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Rose, I think you are thinking of the live press conference on Nov. 15, 2010 in which Kaine said Kiara may have seen something horrific. The context of this press conference was that KH held it after DY held her independent interviews that morning regarding the “severe hatred” emails. KH said: “There were horrific actions that day that Kiara may have been a witness to.” It’s in the first 30 seconds of this video:
http://www.katu.com/news/local/108250924.html
DY’s comment “saw it all” was from the August 27, 2010, KGW interview (Pt. 2) when she and KH were asked about the witness who saw Kyron outside by a truck. Someone on another web site transcribed it as:
“It just makes me feel stronger that, that there were people helping her… that Kyron saw it all and was involved and that there were other people helping her…”
So, this is sounding like. TMH leaves @8:45 and Kyron, instead of going directly to class, decided to take a detour and heads for the cool electric one, as he knows he has 15 minutes before class starts. And unfortunately, he is abducted before he can get back to his class.
At, 9:00 or so when the groups are formed, Kyron was missed by the chaperone, because the chaperone was supposed have six children under his/her care, not five. I would assume she had a list of whom she was supposed to be chaperoning, and when she got to Ky’s name, he wasn’t there. And this is when Porter says, oh he’s probably in the bathroom or whatever. Make sense?
I would imagine that Ms. Mathews would have had to be in her classroom starting class, getting her kids put into their respective groups, so if that’s the case, then this interaction between her/SZ/Kyron must have been prior to that. So Kyron disappeared between 8:45 and 9:00 a.m. And whomever saw him outside by a truck must have been around that time?
Unless Terri is not telling the truth about what time she left, and she left earlier.
Rasmuson registered in these locations during these months of 2010:
August 2010: Federal Way, WA
September 2010: Eugene, OR
October 2010: Sandpoint, ID
Gleamed from:
http://www.bonnercountydailybee.com/news/local/article_99bd465c-d112-11df-abee-001cc4c03286.html#user-comment-area
http://www.theolympian.com/2010/09/10/1364983_sex-offender-from-federal-way.html?rh=1
********
And IDAHO reminded me of the psychic from Idaho (male) who said to look in Yreka, CA:
“Fahrney said the Idaho psychic called a tip line in Sacramento, Calif., and his information was passed along to the Yreka police.
The local police then passed out flyers with a photo of the boy, and in the days that followed they received two tips independently from people in the area.”
http://www.komonews.com/news/local/96172734.html
I think it is possible that the science project actually existed (the one Kyron was asked to help carry).
Gary Stutzman, a reporter with the Hillsboro Argus was the first (and only AFAIK) reporter to report that Kyron was last seen assisting with the carrying of a science project. Stutzman’s report was March 29, 2011.
“Kyron, a 7-year-old rom Skyline Elementary School, has been missing since June 4, 2010, when he was last seen carrying a science project into the west Multnomah County school.”
http://www.oregonlive.com/argus/index.ssf/2011/03/kyron_searchers_comb_county_bo.html
(FYI: The story was updated on November 29, 2011, but I saved that quote in my files the day it was first published, and what I quoted above did not change in the November version.)
So, where did this science project end up? In the building?
Blink lots of luck with your efforts and thanks
What is really missing. Is a timeline on Kyron that day Hope you get a break in this mystery
I know all the reporting on this case has been abysmal, but it’s interesting to take the Argus report at face value:
1. A witness saw Kyron carrying a science project
2. It was the last sighting of Kyron
So who was this witness?
Was the witness actually SZ himself who claimed he saw Kyron go back into the school carrying the science project? If so, shouldn’t a teacher be able to verify or disprove the arrival of this science project, especially so late in the scheme of things?
Or was the witness a 3rd party (not SZ) who saw Kyron carrying the project?
If the science project existed, does this point to SZ being a parent of someone at the school? I mean it would take a very Type-A SO to actually build a science project to use as bait.
@TRuth, It makes sense within the given framework, what doesn’t make sense is there is no follow up by Porter, or the chaperone as to when Kyron would meet up with his group. Did they think, well, he’s in the bathroom, he’s late, I guess he’s missed his chance to do the group tour?
T. Ruth says:
March 30, 2015 at 10:40 pm
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At, 9:00 or so when the groups are formed, Kyron was missed by the chaperone, because the chaperone was supposed have six children under his/her care, not five. I would assume she had a list of whom she was supposed to be chaperoning, and when she got to Ky’s name, he wasn’t there. And this is when Porter says, oh he’s probably in the bathroom or whatever. Make sense?
@Seeker, Interesting. Sometimes I think the smaller papers let things slip.
@ seeker
So nice to see you back Helping figure stuff out
We seem to have info but can’t get when this stuff happened I get so confused what happened when
Once Blink can figure a time line things should start making sense
What happened to Kyron
Or closer to an understanding And that will be great
thanks for you files
@Seeker. Or, if accurate reporting, the “help me” solicitor could be the demonstration teacher Solar for Schools hired to go into the recipient school, into classrooms 1 by 1, with teaching materials and teaching displays of solar projects to educate the children. This was part of the installation grant & project. A Solar4Schools teaching team member had been involved there. (iirc, Terri helped write some teaching material.) If he came back inside carrying S4S materials, how did SZ get him out again? It would tho explain Matthews’ trust.
Yes, you are right Seeker. That is the Kaine statement that
I remembered. It is helpful to have the dates. Knowing the
context & exact words, Kaine’s statement seems both speculative & inflammatory.
Since it followed the same day on his ex’s focus on “severe hatred” emails, it seems
to me he was trying to redirect from that topic. It would have been natural, even if they weren’t speaking,
to useDesiree’s accusation that morning as his jumping off point and expand either on the
“corroborating emails” topic (which would be best known to
him the computer owner), or the “severe hatred” topic ( which would be best known to her spouse),
if true, rather than switch to “horrfic (unknown to him) actions and (unknown to him) kiara witnessing.
@erose. wrt “Third, if Porter never saw Kyron, never assigned him in to a group, why wouldn’t her response to TP have been, “Kyron’s not here today.” But, if Porter was not in her room until 10 am after the SF was over and someone else had charge of her classroom then she would have no idea where Kyron or any other kid was at that point.”
She knew he was at school because earlier Kyron had entered the classroom with Terri & put up his stuff.
Porter was in her room when groups formed because she responded with the bathroom statement.
I thought just now Blink was timing this interaction with Porter by TP & a group leader for the time groups were forming just after 9, not later at 10.
I don’t think we have a firm grip on the classroom group formation timeline except to say Kyron was not there at the time. Because I am aware of some parent witnesses who were there after the 9:25 timeframe- I am inclined to say it may have been closer to 10. Yes, Porter saw Kyron that morning as well as TH. It is my understanding she was quite busy
B
It sounds like parents & school visitors participated in an Open House “exposition” until 10 am side by side with small groups from classrooms with no controls whatsoever on who visited the expo. Any old sex offender could have wandered in and comingled. In this case it sounds like someone who knew the school routine, knew the bell schedule, and was looking to pick off someone not yet assigned to a class group–just before that occurred & the kid would be tracked. Terri probably timed hers early before 9, & cut it short, because kiara didn’t feel well and all kids & adults on deck would be overstimulating. .
All this confusion boils down to the school shirking responsibility, IMO. In the beginning, they could not even tell the reporters whether or not Kyron had been marked absent let alone when, if he was.
I really doubt that there was such a blur in timing as far as what was supposed to be done when…..more likely, if schedules were altered by any of the teachers it was to fit their own needs.
The witnesses who saw Kyron, for instance, TK, were instructed by LE, not to give specifics as to when they saw Kyron. Just why is that?
Why protect the timeline? IMO, it was simply to cover the school’s butt.
I think WF, TP’s grandma, let that little guy tell his story on the news, because she saw the cover-up going on already. If his story was accurate (which I have no reason to believe it is not), then it pointed to a total lack of control and an aloof set of assumptions made by TP’s & Kyron’s teacher. (Not to mention, Ms. Mathews’ apparent assumptions as well.) I think WF saw this injustice and therefor encouraged her grandson to speak up.
One of Blink’s witnesses also said something like “when I saw what had been going on in that school that morning” (paraphrasing). So, here’s another witness who knew something was not right with the school.
I still think that Porter used the next week’s doctor appointment confusion, simply to justify her own assumption that Kyron must have gone with his mom to the Dr. apptmt, since he wasn’t in the bathroom or getting a drink of water. Like: ***Oh, that’s right, he had a doctor appointment today, silly me for forgetting that.***
It has been stated somewhere that two teachers thought he went to a doctor appointment, who is the other one, and why have we never been told and how would they know that?
It is a shame that any of these things that morning were confusing, but it’s been five years. Why can’t LE release a timeline? Is it still because they think parents will panic and pull their kids out of the school? IDK, but if it were released, it could just maybe bring forward a witness who could make this whole case break open.
Sigh.
Old 1987 article, birds of a feather and all that noise:
http://articles.latimes.com/1987-04-15/local/me-277_1_state-hospitals
2 Child Molesters Linked to Rasmuson Returned to State Hospital
April 15, 1987|TERRY PRISTIN | Times Staff Writer
Two registered child molesters living in Reseda were returned to Atascadero State Hospital Tuesday after authorities reported that they may have violated the terms of their release by having unsupervised contact with a minor–perhaps in the company of accused child kidnaper Kenneth K. Rasmuson.
Charles England, 64, and Duane Mitchell, 59, who had been released from Atascadero in 1984, were sent back there after other sex offenders said they had been seen “in the company of a minor, along with other people,” at their apartment, said Dr. Dieter Poiser, director of the Forensic Community Treatment Program, an outpatient service for people released from state mental hospitals.
“Ken Rasmuson was one of the people that was supposedly there,” Poiser said.
(snipped)
Back in Sandpoint, neighbors old KREM 2 News that Rasmuson lived with his mother and kept to himself. There was plenty of uproar though, when he moved to the area a few years ago. Some people started a petition when they were notified that the two-time convicted sex offender moved there.
http://www.krem.com/story/news/local/bonner-county/2015/03/29/idaho-man-arrested-in-cold-case-murder-of-california-boy/70634574/
March 21 2009:
Kenneth Kaston Rasmuson, the first officially designated “sexually violent predator” to be released into Santa Barbara County, has moved into a residence northeast of Lompoc, and Sheriff’s Department spokesman Drew Sugars said deputies began notifying neighbors of his presence Saturday.
Sugars said Rasmuson, 47, on Friday moved to 2020 Cebada Canyon Road, north of La Purisima Golf Course. He had been registered in the county as a transient since a state appeals court ordered his conditional release from Atascadero State Hospital in November 2007. As a result of his sex crime conviction, Rasmuson is required by law to register with the local law-enforcement agency in the community where he resides. The Sheriff’s Department has no legal authority to dictate where he lives, Sugars said.
(snipped)
Since his release in 2007, Sugars said, Rasmuson has been and will continue to be under the direct supervision of the state Department of Mental Health through a contractor, Liberty Healthcare. Rasmuson is also on 24/7 GPS monitoring tracking, Sugars said.
http://www.noozhawk.com/article/0321_sexually_violent_predator_moves_to_home_near_lompoc
How did this guy end up in Washington/Oregon?
Wouldn’t the groups form when the kids got off the bus? Otherwise lots of kids went unsupervised, not just Kyron.
@ Rose says:
March 31, 2015 at 5:31 am
@Seeker. Or, if accurate reporting, the “help me” solicitor could be the demonstration teacher Solar for Schools hired to go into the recipient school, into classrooms 1 by 1, with teaching materials and teaching displays of solar projects to educate the children. This was part of the installation grant & project. A Solar4Schools teaching team member had been involved there. (iirc, Terri helped write some teaching material.) If he came back inside carrying S4S materials, how did SZ get him out again? It would tho explain Matthews’ trust.
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I like this theory, Rose.
Your Solar Guy theory makes a lot of puzzle pieces fit for me:
1) Explains the late arrival of a project (it was non-student)
2) It explains why he didn’t ask his own child to help instead of Kyron (because he didn’t have a child there)
3) Explains the chance he took in stating he had a project to bring in. What would have happened if, for instance, an adult stepped in and said, no, let ME help you. How would SZ have wiggled out of that if there was no project to bring in? This is another reason why I think SZ had an actual project outside.
And, if SZ and the Argus witness are one-and-the-same, then SZ could be lying about Kryon actually going back into the building. He wouldn’t have to get him outside again…just lie about him going in. In this scenario, This would also mean that SZ is known and made a witness statement (that the Argus reported).
Wait- who reported SZ is known and made a witness statement? I have no information that Kyron was asked to help bring in a project- or anything specific from anyone- just that he needed help getting something out of his truck. That has been a common thread in any interviews I have conducted- nobody knew what it was he needed help with. Just fyi I trust that intel 1000%.
B
@erose says:
March 31, 2015 at 2:34 am
@Seeker, Interesting. Sometimes I think the smaller papers let things slip.
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I agree! That’s why I take this one much more seriously than the others.
Has anyone compiled a comprehensive list of non-student, adult participants who were setting up projects/demonstrations on June 4, 2010?
How would one develop that Seeker?
B
@Seeker says:
March 31, 2015 at 2:04 pm
Blink says:
Wait- who reported SZ is known and made a witness statement? I have no information that Kyron was asked to help bring in a project- or anything specific from anyone- just that he needed help getting something out of his truck. That has been a common thread in any interviews I have conducted- nobody knew what it was he needed help with. Just fyi I trust that intel 1000%.
B
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Sorry. No, I guess I wasn’t clear. I was speculating (not stating as fact) on the different scenarios regarding who the witness could be that is mentioned in the Argus report. I was exploring a scenario where what if SZ and the witness are the same person…what that would look like and how that would play out. To me, they could be the same person.
Also, I guess I always thought he was asked to carrying in a science project because of the reporter who said he was last seen carrying a science project from outside to inside, and it was reported as the last sighting (so after the Matthews classroom exchange). But I understand now, that based on your interviews that SZ never actually specified what was to be carried in.
Thank you Seeker- if I could ask you ( as best you can I know we have been over A LOT of territory) to link when referring to something as fact- ( as an example, “reporter who said he was last seen carrying a science project from outside to inside…” I have never read that, and if that could be proven, you can imagine that would be a very huge piece of investigative information that for me- does not currently exist. Specifically because to my knowledge, all projects were in place the day before in the gym, and then placed by subject matter by staff, accordingly.
To clarify- I am not aware of any witness who claims to have seen Kyron bringing ANYTHING back into the school the morning of June 4th following his exit with SZ- nor am I aware that SZ has ever been identified nor given a witness statement. I am not saying that some source does not have information I do not- but I would absolutely seek to confirm or exclude it as it would potentially serve to say that Kyron returned to the school after exiting. I do not believe that is the case.
Thanks so much and nice to see you.
B
@Blink. Seeker gave the Argus link & story in this Comment. Oregonlive reported verbatim the Argus story.
“Seeker says:
March 30, 2015 at 10:47 pm
I think it is possible that the science project actually existed (the one Kyron was asked to help carry).
Gary Stutzman, a reporter with the Hillsboro Argus was the first (and only AFAIK) reporter to report that Kyron was last seen assisting with the carrying of a science project. Stutzman’s report was March 29, 2011.
“Kyron, a 7-year-old from Skyline Elementary School, has been missing since June 4, 2010, when he was last seen carrying a science project into the west Multnomah County school.”
http://www.oregonlive.com/argus/index.ssf/2011/03/kyron_searchers_comb_county_bo.html
(FYI: The story was updated on November 29, 2011, but I saved that quote in my files the day it was first published, and what I quoted above did not change in the November version.)
Except there is no witness I am aware of that saw him carrying a science project into the school out of the numerous witnesses that saw him exit with SZ. I have no idea where this was sourced.
B
a handful of the thank goodness only 21 comments on the OLive argus republication are interesting–namely Eagles’ pingology & are her question are you gonna cross County boundaries mcso to search if this is a ping search? (And is Desiree going to search cross County boundaries?)
Posters asked the O about the new & different “carrying a SF project in” statement & got no editor nor reporter response about the O’s factual accuracy (no surprize). A+ as usual to the O editors for irresponsible sourceless and corroborationless “reporting.”
“Kyron, a 7-year-old rom Skyline Elementary School, has been missing since June 4, 2010, when he was last seen carrying a science project into the west Multnomah County school.”
http://www.oregonlive.com/argus/index.ssf/2011/03/kyron_searchers_comb_county_bo.html
We’ve discussed this article at length here before. (And Seeker and I must be on the same wave lengths, because I was just reviewing it the other day, yet again.) There are multiple known errors in here, for instance it states TMH drove an F150 rather than an F250. So I just figured whomever wrote this took a bunch of liberties.
FWIW, I know someone contacted the writer of this article to request verification for the report, including the “carrying in a science project” part. The reporter gave some off the wall answer, like you read too much into this stuff. Or some such baloney.
I think it is in error, though for the life of me I do not know why they would not make corrections…..the Argus is Part of the O, and btw, this is the paper that JW had also written some articles for. So, major cup of salt for me.
Agreed
B
Thing is about late arrival of a science project, one would think that if it was a professional (Solar4U guy or some such)it would not have been late in the first place. Kids screwing up I can see, but not a pro. But then the kids projects, if I’m not mistaken, had to be in the day before to be reviewed and graded didn’t they?
I don’t think Kyron was seen bringing in a science project, I think that’s a mistake on the author’s part. He may have been seen bringing in something, but somehow I don’t think it was a science project, I’d lean more toward something to do with the upcoming (not yet started) talent show. JMO
Well, I’m open to the possibility that it could be true. But I will just keep my thoughts to myself and not discuss them here on that topic.
Not dissuading you Seeker- if that information was credible it would be a revelation and at this point this case could certainly use one. It is just that my interviews which I know have been independently verified and are corroborated by depositions that have not been released publicly- contradict that scenario.
Add to that there is a child that so closely resembles Kyron I could not tell them apart in the images I have seen from that morning. That said- I have no reason to believe the other child was carrying in a science project that morning.
B
@Seeker says:
March 31, 2015 at 2:32 pm
Has anyone compiled a comprehensive list of non-student, adult participants who were setting up projects/demonstrations on June 4, 2010?
How would one develop that Seeker?
B
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I just meant from all the great research here. It is hard to keep up and keep track of all the people who have been discovered. Was hoping someone had a list.
I agree it was a mistake on writer’s part, but you’d think O would’ve corrected it. After all, commenters asked the accuracy question of that line. Imo a company employee of that or other business’ would not leave models at the school overnite, vulnerable for kids to play with when they weren’t there, or make 2 trips to predeliver. Would bring his model & handout materials the day of, and probably wouldn’t exert to arrive an hour before school starts to set up in my opinion.
I always wonder what would happen if things like this fall in to the wrong hands, but on the surface…
snip>
The district also has plans to incorporate an app called Regroup, which allows teachers to institute lockdowns with the press of a button on any smartphone.
http://www.komonews.com/news/local/Schools-step-up-security-following-string-of-odd-incidents-298232611.html
Time to weed out the opinions from the fact The opinions that became facts
Over 5 years of repeat repeat. Change slightly and pass on repeat Change sli……..?
It is spring cleaning time
This will drive you crazy. Blink LOL
You are brave to take it on Thanks
This makes SZ seem like he had all day to grab Kyron. “Carry this in and come back for another trip. ”
I don’t know ,- this is not how I picture SZ did it But …?
I don’t like blame games but if I blame anyone I guess FB and the O are my first thought
Rumors and lousy reporting
@erose. kind of like how lubitz misused lockdown(out) equipment not for its intended purpose. I doubt all classroom teachers will police the security of their smartphones all day from the hands of a previously unsuspected ill-intended student.
@seeker
All things are possible Don’t leave
If I sounded negitive it is just that my dislike of the media and social media
In this case
Yes, Seeker, stay and continue to delve. Why not? I was just looking back at the same article the other day, for the exact same reason. Remember all, KATU reported once that they had found Kyron deceased. Retracted thank God. That was an error, but how much of an error? Did they find something of Kyron’s, like say his glasses, and somehow it got blown into them finding his body? Who knows, but reports like that were based on something and didn’t come out of thin air.
Remember too that DY herself made the slip of telling the public about “seen outside by a truck”. You could tell by the look on KH’s face that was not supposed to be divulged, and that’s when they starting discussing whether or not that was even credible info, which DY said indeed it was.
So yes, I think it’s a great question as to why that story was written with multiple errors and with it never being corrected. Perhaps it was a round-about way to have someone phone in a tip, correcting something within the timeline that would give away the fact that they know too much. Or, maybe there WAS an F150 truck involved as well. Who knows? Keep digging.
The following transcripts are from the two Tanner “interviews” I found on YouTube. I hope I got most of it right. Realize that some of the “facts” of these stories have been revised or clarified, such as who called the school office.
After the Tanner accounts, I have included three versions of Terri and Kyron parting ways at the school.
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“Oh no where’s Kyron, there’s only five”
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6tAZ1FmHtcI
(Kohr Harlan – Koin, Channel 6, Portland, OR)
tonight that an 8 year old boy, a third grader and a deskmate of Kyron Horman has been interviewed by the FBI and was visited by Multnomah County Sheriff Dan Staton as late as late this afternoon. Recently we’re learning now that he may be providing investigators with new information that could help them provide answers.
(Harlan, I assume)
Eight year old Tanner Pumala remembers passing Kyron in the school hallway Friday morning as the two passed each other on the way to see different science experiments.
(Tanner)
“I went downstairs and that was the last time I saw him and I never did see him after that.”
(Harlan)
Forty five minutes or so past nine in the morning last Friday as the science fair ended, Tanner and Kyron’s class was regrouping. Mrs. Porter, the regular teacher, accompanied by a substitute there to help with the science fair. It was the substitute, says Tanner, who noticed Kyron was missing.
(Tanner)
“And she’s like ‘Oh no where’s Kyron, there’s only five’, and it was sorta like, um and she sorry, calm down, calm down, he’s probably in the bathroom or getting a drink of water. And she’s like, all right I’m going to leave, and she left”
(Harlan)
Tanner went about his day, realized that Kyron was not on the school bus going home. It was only when his dad was watching news of Kyron’s disappearance that Tanner learned one of his best friends was missing.
(Tanner)
“It’s hard because people are just writing notes and giving him candy and gummy bears and teddy bears and everything trying to hope and hope that he’ll come back and sometimes we always sit on the carpet and hold hands and pray that he will come back.”
(Wendy Fuhrer)
“How he went unnoticed is absolutely just beyond me”
(Harlan)
Wendy Fuhrer is Tanners grandmother who says Kyron’s disappearance is mind boggling on many different levels because it happened at school and because she says it happened during such a busy day at school.
(Fuhrer)
“would have to be somebody that I would think that Kyron knew or trusted. Kids don’t just don’t vanish, I don’t know, I, I just find this heart wrenching, absolutely heart wrenching. And the, the family, what they’re going through, I, I can’t even imagine.”
(Harlan)
Wendy says Tanner has told her he saw Kyron’s stepmom, Terri, leaving the school building. Kyron was not with his stepmom when she left school.
(Harlan)
Tanner’s grandmother says that both the FBI and the sheriff’s office have asked them not to talk to the media there she says they decided to go ahead and talk with some members of the media this week in an effort to keep a face on this investigation and hopefully keep it moving forward.
Live here near the school, Kohr Harlan, Koin local 6.
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“cool one, the electric one”
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IHdLd2SvUSU
(Reporter, ABC news?)
The schools PTA president says she saw Kyron at the exhibit with his stepmother at 8:15 a.m. His stepmother told police she dropped him off at the Science Fair at last saw him walking down the hall at 845. The photo and eye witnesses prove that he was there. His little classmate Tanner Pumala says he saw Kyron at the Science Fair too.
(Tanner)
“He walked by in the hallway, hi Kyron, he’s like, hi, I’m going to go see this cool one, the electric one. And I’m like alright, bye. And, that’s the last time I saw him, he never did make it back to class.”
(Reporter)
By 10 a.m., when the school day began, Kyron was marked absent. But there was no call home to notify his parents, a policy that has since changed. Instead the first call to 911 would wait nearly the entire day, until Kyron’s stepmother called the office to say he didn’t come home on the school bus. The school secretary made the first call to police at 3:46pm.
http://www.katu.com/news/local/95691389.html?tab=video&c=y
In the Video.
(Lt. Mary Lindstrand, MCSO, at 2:20)
“His stepmother and he were in the school looking at the science fair, had been in two to three different classrooms. I am told he went up one stairwell, she went up the other stairwell. She saw him walking down the hall toward his classroom. And that’s the last time she saw him.”
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http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/06/details_emerge_about_the_day_k.html
~snip
“He told her, ‘I’m going back to the classroom, Mom,’ and she waves to him and left,” Carol Moulton said. “She thought he was safely at school just like he is everyday.”
What happened to the boy who went missing is unclear.
Carol Moulton said the kids were supposed to report to their classes and be divided into small groups of a few students each. Each group was supposed to tour the science fair with a chaperone. Afterward, when they returned to their classes for roll call, Kyron wasn’t there, she said.
~snip
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http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/06/kyron_horman_chronology_of_eve.html
~snip
8:15 a.m. Gina Zimmerman, president of the school PTA, arrives and sees Kyron with his stepmother in front of his exhibit.
8:45 a.m. Terri Horman leaves after watching Kyron walk toward his classroom after touring the science fair.
9 a.m. Kyron is reportedly seen by a student near the south entrance of the school, according to Sheriff Dan Staton, who says that was the last time the boy was seen. Multnomah County authorities later backtrack on that statement.
10 a.m. Classes begin.
At some point, Kyron’s homeroom teacher, Kristina Porter, reports him absent.
~snip
Quizzie- that is as close to factual as one can get based on my best information- to include my witness info with SZ of course.
B
Tanner.
My interpretation of the TP stories, and other accounts, is the student groups, with chaperones, regrouped at about 9:45am in their home classrooms. At that time the “substitute”, noted Kyron was missing. KP calmed the “sub” down, so she left, meaning left the classroom, sometime after 9:45am, not left with a group to tour. I can’t help feeling that the students were placed in 4, or so, groups of 4 to 6 students each, some time after 8:45am (as late as somewhat after 9am) in KP’s classroom, by KP or a single assistant. Maybe the students were placed in the groups (and on lists), and started touring as they showed up in the classroom. I still have a nagging feeling Kyron was put in a group by the assistant but maybe he was not seen by KP as she was out, “running” the science fair. (Or, while they toured the SF, did the groups troll for students on group lists that were not initially in the classroom for placement?) Upon regrouping at 9:45am, the assistant (the “sub”) was going over the group lists to see that all the children in each group had returned to the classroom. But, Kyron, on a list of six, was missing. It is not unlikely that Kyron was not on her own (the “sub”/assistant) group list, but on that of another chaperone. (Or, did the assistant/”sub” chaperone any group?)
It would seem probable TP encountered Kyron in the upstairs hall just after Terri had said good-bye to Kyron, at 8:45am. At that time TP could have seen Terri walking towards the east exit on the top floor. However, if both TP and Kyron then went to the lower floor via different stairs at that time it seems a bit odd that TP never saw Kyron again for the next 20 to 40 minutes. Perhaps TP encountered Kyron in the hall somewhat later that morning and concluded Terri had left because Kyron was alone or in a group, without her. I suppose it is possible TP and/or Kyron came upstairs a time or two before Kyron accompanied SZ out of the building and the just missed seeing each other.
Terri and a stroller.
How do we know Terri used a stroller with Kiara at the school? At Fred Meyer (Walker) Terri had Kiara in her arms. Did she also have the stroller there but was just holding Kiara to comfort her as she talked to Andrea Leckey? Does this mean that at the school Terri only toured the upstairs of the school, possibly including the gym? Is the gym a few steps down from the main floor? (I don’t know). Did Terri carry the stroller and Kiara down the stairs to tour the gym and/or the lower floor? If Kyron only toured the upstairs and gym with Terri and Kiara before they left, and he had heard about the “cool electric” display from others, it would certainly explain his interest about going downstairs to see it. Or had he toured the downstairs with Terri and Kiara and only saw it for a short time and wanted to go back for a longer look. Lt. Linstrand said she was told Kyron and Terri went up stairwells, implying they had been downstairs.
Just wondering. Has anyone implied they might have seen Terri interacting with someone that looked like SZ while she was touring the science fair?
SZ exit from the school with Kyron.
At one time I described the possibility of SZ taking Kyron out the exit next to Room 109, down the outside stairs and to the access road. To me that made the most sense for a quick getaway, but I actually think Kyron went with SZ diagonally across the south play area to the lower gate entry to the South parking lot. This more likely syncs up with the sightings by “Kaines truck” (not likely his truck), DY let slip. And yes that certainly would mess up their thinking of how things must have happened as Terri was long gone, verified to be elsewhere. So, enter the idea that Terri must have had help so she engaged another person to remove Kryon from the school. “Necessity is the mother of invention”.
And. Finally.
The quick trip from the school to Fred Meyer.
Just for the record. I think Terri and Kiara left the school building at about 8:45am and the school grounds by 8:50am. However, if intent on doing so, it would have been possible leave the school grounds as late as 9am, drive to Fred Meyer (Imbrie), and get a receipt stamped 9:12am.
In this video I recorded, and posted here, quite some time ago, it took me 7 minutes 38 seconds to get from the school to Fred Meyer (Imbrie). I have timed the trip as fast as 6 ½ minutes without going “overly” fast. The former time would leave a little over four minutes to get Kiara out of the truck, into the store and quickly buy something. Since they are said to be on video at the store, it is known when they arrived, or at least when they entered the store and their activities therein.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NilXr-KRUNA
http://www.katu.com/news/local/Teen-convicted-in-UO-rape-indicted-in-stabbing-death-298336921.html
This morning’s news. OT, but we talked about Nicole and her bodybuilding connections, etc. We also talked about which way the person might have gone and that no one saw him later on (he seemed to disappear quickly) – makes sense now we know he lived with his parents close to the apartment complex – he just ran home. That makes me wonder about Kyron’s case – did SZ just go home? Seems to me, the further away from the scene you go, the greater the chances you will have a witness even if they don’t know yet what they saw, or you will leave a clue somewhere along the way. Going a long distance, though, would broaden the search area and provide more distractions. Just my logic, not a scientific conclusion.
http://www.katu.com/news/local/Sketch-released-of-man-believed-to-be-Nicole-Laubes-killer-275215461.html
My last link had a picture of the person arrested – this one has a sketch. Very interesting to compare the 2. Very good likeness, in my opinion.