Kyron Horman Missing: New Years Eve Settlement Ends Horman Marriage
Portland, OR- In a surprise court hearing, Judge Henry Kantor signed off on the agreement between Kaine Horman and Terri Moulton Horman to end their marriage this afternoon.
Details of the agreement have not been released publicly, but according to KGW, a financial settlement to include child support and a lump payment to Terri Horman has been reached.
In what can only be described as a bitter family court feud- the divorce matter was last in court on December 16th to decide if the Horman landscaper, Rodolfo Sanchez Estrada -who alleges Terri Horman tried to hire him to murder Kaine Horman at a lunch meeting – would testify.
Judge Kantor has not yet filed an order from that hearing but Attorneys for Terri Horman were granted a continuance from the pending temporary custody motion scheduled for December 19th and 20th.
BOC Associate Editor Tarin Kenley contributed to this report.
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@NelMel. LE created (via briefings to DY) and nourishes (by coordinating with “Warriors”
in searches) Vigilanteville.
@Rose- I 100% agree that Desiree would have said if he was seen with Terri. I also have no doubt that if the witness saw Kyron be delivered to Terri she would have been arrested. Thats not even possible based on Terri’s time line that day . I feel like we can rule that scenario out (unless a hand off took place somewhere other than the school).
According to DY & KH a (credible?) witness saw Kyron outside by a truck. We don’t know when, we don’t know by whose truck. We don’t know if he was seen out there with someone else or not. We do know no one saw him leave in said truck, there would have been an amber alert for the truck. We also know that TMH was elsewhere, according to DY & KH, because it didn’t fit her timeline. So perhaps this was whomever asked Kyron to help him, and perhaps he did just that, at that time. Perhaps the abduction took place later. Or perhaps this witness mistook Kyron for another child? IDK? Just noodling. But that makes sense “the witness saw it all”, not Kyron.
Had a dream again last night about Kyron falling into a very deep hole, a well maybe or the hole dug for the wind turbine.
How did this child just vanish from a school full of people?
NelMel says:
February 4, 2014 at 7:55 am
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Great synopsis of the dysfunction that is Desiree and the hater crater groups.
TMH and the Moultons need a RO – the hate and threats on those sites is downright scary.
All it would take is one loose screwball among them to actually carry this blind hatred from words to the unthinkable action.
(and)
Rose says:
February 4, 2014 at 10:30 am
@NelMel. LE created (via briefings to DY) and nourishes (by coordinating with “Warriors”
in searches)
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exactly. Very convenient for LE to keep the focus off their shady (and shoddy) work.
@TRuth, Skyline area where school is, is a LONG way from Skyline Ridge, a development on a hill in West Linn. Only a detail but wanted to point it out.
@Rose, LE and DA have facilitated and fanned the flames of vigilanteville. both judges contributed to foundation.
lizzy says:
February 3, 2014 at 9:19 pm
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Regarding family photo with James left out, I remember James saying that he spends most of his summers with his bio dad and thought maybe the photo was taken during the summer but it appears Kitty is newborn so that isn’t possible (hers was not a summer birth).
I still feel for Ecker that he paid Terri child support when Terri didn’t even have James full time. I find it odd also that he is not in this family photo yet he is a child of Terri.
Just thinking once again about a sealed indictment.
If this is all that the DA brings me in this case, the MFHP, RSE’s testimony and nothing else, what do I decide as a grand juror? Should the DA go for it, or not? Is there a viable case here, when it’s based upon his word against hers? Ham sandwich time, I think they may have said yes.
I think, the GJ perhaps did issue a true bill and I think it is sealed. The reason it’s sealed is several judges (according to Kaine) reviewed the case and they know it is NOT a winner, even though the GJ issued a bill to indict. So the Judge(s) sealed it, and have held it in abeyance and in the event Terri ever tried to leave the country, they would pull it out and indict her on the MFH.
Is this a possibility?
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What is it that LE/DA doesn’t want people to hear in regards to RSE’s testimony? Why not let him be crossed? There’s got to be something in there that either did not result in a true bill, or that did result in one and that prosecutors know won’t fly before a jury of Terri’s peers.
Is this alleged MFHP against Kaine, all they really have in regards to their belief that Terri also wanted Kyron out of the picture?
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DY keeps referring to failed ldt’s, she KNOWS for a fact that information came from Terri’s mouth, not LE. She and her husband know that LE telling a POI they failed is a LE tactic, so why does she keep bringing it up? She says Terri has lied to her and her family and her own friends, attorneys, etc., WHAT lies? If she wants to be credible, she needs to expound. She also said the facts are wrong in that new People story. What facts are wrong? She needs to elaborate in order to be believed, she should be telling them and the public, what exactly the reporter got wrong and ask them to correct it. And this:
“My Saturday ended with my husband and me not being able to sleep, because we were so upset by this article. I spent the entire day trying to figure out why the world is this way. My husband said so eloquently what I couldn’t; “I liken this article to writing about a pedophile that can’t be with the child that they perpetrated a crime against.” Well I simply say it is disgusting, and it is a crime on its own, a crime against Kyron.”
Going to change a word or two, to see if this makes any more sense.
“This article is akin to writing about a Jerry Sandusky that is wanting to be and can’t be with the boys he abused.”
Nothing in that article suggests Terri what Terri wants. WTH does this have to do with the article as it is written? Terri doesn’t even have any comments in the article. She refused to comment.
I’m taking the next comment by Desiree as meaning she finds the whole article as disgusting, a crime in itself, because the focus appears to have been on Terri and Kyron, and not on what Desiree/Tony thinks Terri did to Kyron. The same exact reason WW and the O were thrown off *the team* by Kaine in 2010.
So now, it appears this family will dump yet another media source in the search for their son and answers. Tragic stuff.
@ Lizzy, James actually was included in the family photo/s. I found the original with him in it.
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=8203.40
O/T
TY, VP. Next to my Daddy he is the best man I know. Mr. B had no chance of ever being better than 3rd in line and he was, and is, fine with it. Too much so, lol.
xoxoxo
B
What pressures have led the DA& mcso to credit a storyline from
a yardworker with immigration problems from a country known for
interpersonal violent problemsolving amongst his male socio-econ class,
over a mother with no history of violence or
criminal behavior?
I do not like the bios soliciting public donations & support while being cagey
with the truth & nontransparent, eg truck sighting.
@TRuth. Do you really think anything like “he saw it all” from a bio can
be created when many other statement are untethered from measureable reality?
credited (hate spell ck)
@Rose- I love the way your mind works. I bet you would be an incredible at chess.
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Rose says:
February 1, 2014 at 7:56 pm
@TRuth. I can think of another reason.
Wouldn’t want the RO Judge to hear Kaine
testified to GJ but the GJ returned No True Bill.
Kinda impeaches Kaine’s worth as a witness.
Rose says:
February 4, 2014 at 4:20 pm
@TRuth. Do you really think anything like “he saw it all” from a bio can
be created when many other statement are untethered from measureable reality?
Rose, I have no idea what she means by “he saw it all”. But for years I thought she was referring to Kyron seeing something, as Ms. Bri suggested I think she meant the witness saw it all, again I have no idea what, but apparently Kyron by a truck.
Who the heck knows, this case is getting more and more strange instead of more and more clear, as time goes on. What is causing that? Or should I say whom? IDK
This is probably not what Rose meant, but it suddenly occurred to me, the following, which most will disagree with who believe TMH is totally innocent of anything wrong:
What if TMH, by prior arrangement, left the SF at a certain time, and then an accomplice asked the teacher if he could borrow Kyron to help bring something in (a generic-appearing accomplice, could have been anyone, now doesn’t want to be involved in this because he -SZ – later found out that TMH might have been responsible for Kyron’s disappearance) …. what if the pal (SZ) got Kyron outside, and TMH was still there and Kyron hopped in her car. Maybe she told him to scrunch down on the seat so nobody would see that they ‘had to leave’.
So what if, then, she flies over to SI (maybe with an ‘alerted’ red Mustang driver in hot pursuit), does the ‘bad thing’ and leaves him under a houseboat in the water somewhere.
Then flies back over the hill to the Freddy’s and other places to secure her alibi.
or maybe the accomplice brought Kyron out and delivered him to DDS, also in a white truck (or whatever she was driving), with cinder blocks in the back (which the police picked up when they raided her condo), among other things that they aren’t talking about.
I dunno … lots of questions and still no Kyron.
Don’t any of these characters have ANY kind of conscience??
IOW if the reports of activities on SI that morning need to be carefully reviewed – the red mustang and white truck racing along (witnessed), and other things. In which case, maybe it was KH involved and maybe TMH was chasing him …
It would be interesting for Blinkers to have access to all of the tips that came in to the sheriff’s office. I’ll bet someone here could track everything down and find an answer for LE
@Rose says: February 4, 2014 at 10:28 am
It makes sense “he” would be a witness.
The question is if “he” saw Kyron by a generic white truck
with a man, or if “he” saw Terri present in her own
truck at the moment SZ delivered Kyron to her.
DY did not sound as if Terri herself were seen, or she’d blurt
that out imo.
Wasn’t there a sewer or something going in across the street from Skyline at a church?
@T. Ruth says: February 4, 2014 at 12:28 pm
Had a dream again last night about Kyron falling into a very deep hole, a well maybe or the hole dug for the wind turbine.
How did this child just vanish from a school full of people?
Oops. I wasn’t done….
This all happened on a Friday.
What if an older kid who had a dislike for Kyron told Kyron he would show him something ‘cool’ and maybe shoved him in a closet (locker??), or in a basement room somewhere and told him to be very very quiet or something bad would happen? What if Kyron was left there, maybe went to sleep, maybe woke and found he was locked in, but didn’t dare try to get out because something spooky might be waiting on the other side of the door.
So he didn’t cry, didn’t do anything. Friday night, everybody went home. How thoroughly was the school searched? Did they ever have snifter doggies check out the area around the school? (Kyron’s bag was left, so LE wouldn’t have needed permission)
I don’t think Kyron would necessarily have left the school grounds because someone would have seen him.
But 9:00? Wouldn’t other parents have been leaving the SF at that time? Somebody musta seen sumpthin’
@T. Ruth says: February 4, 2014 at 12:28 pm
You kniw, the “important” determinative custody Court date is in June.
So, it seems to me DY’s full court “press” wrt Kiara–DailyFail, People, public
letter, & undoubtedly more writings & interviews–must be directed to 2 things:
upcoming hearing re scope of Sanchez testimony and Vien interviews &
Court reccommendation . Both reasons to take her husband out of mothballs with inflammatory quotes,
I just emailed you. Please read.
B
This is getting crazy…the craters continue on…(Blink, feel free to omit contact information if you don’t want this published on your site)
To write to People Magazine, here is the address:
Please express your outrage about the most recent article in People magazine about the Kyron Horman story being presented as the suspect being a victim of circumstances.
Sunshine- as I know you will not mind- I redacted the portions that will be the subject of copyright infringement. The aforementioned content or the site will go poof again.
B
erose- I appreciate you posting that. However, as I had a look at it- I can tell you that the FB folks are in full out copyright infringement, and I would not want a respected friend and poster of BOC to be in that space, so to speak, so it is my understanding that link is no longer valid.
I hope erose does not mind me piggybacking her post to ask readers/posters to not post links that include ANY images of the People article or content of same that does not fall under DCMA and fair use guidelines.
So it begs the question- I believe DY would know that, and if you read her post, where she provides absolutely no identifiers about it, or images, title info, or google juice- Interesting venue to present her opinion, to include no comments from others or linkage.
Was that the intention?
B
Detectives involved were same as Kyron’s–E County Major Crimes, Bob P of Gresham & Kafvre:
“4 February 2001 Polygraph unreliability underscored in Oregon murder case. In an article entitled, “Key witness now prime suspect,” staff writer Michelle Roberts of The Oregonian reports that Mr. Humberto Castro Soler, who testified that he watched Mr. James Bryant shoot a Salem woman and her boyfriend over a 1999 drug deal gone bad, is now the prime suspect in those murders. Mr. Soler had “passed” a polygraph “test” administered by a Portland police officer, while Mr. Bryant had “failed.” The following excerpt underscores the unreliability of polygraph chart readings and the dangers of placing any confidence in them:
Polygraph questions
Police have made no secret about why they relied on Soler.
He passed a polygraph test administered by Portland Police Detective Sgt. Glenda Leutwyler, a respected polygrapher who handles dozens of cases every year for the district attorney’s office.
Although polygraph results aren’t admissible in court, they are often used as investigative tools.
Without the test, no detective worth his badge would have hinged a high-profile murder case on the word of a man like Soler, who has spent most of his adult life in prison for a string of armed robberies and drug charges.
Soler was not offered a plea agreement until he passed Leutwyler’s polygraph Oct. 24, 1999. Police thought they’d solved their case, their confidence underscored when Clark, who insisted Soler was the shooter, failed Leutwyler’s exam Oct. 29, 1999.
But in recent months, three polygraph experts have challenged those results.
David Raskin, an Alaska-based polygraph expert Bryant’s lawyers hired in October, examined Soler’s test and deemed it inconclusive.
Raskin criticized Leutwyler’s results, saying that detectives were eager to believe Soler and “made great efforts to reassure (Soler) that they wanted and expected him to pass.”
Raskin also found different results for Clark’s polygraph test, saying it was inconclusive about whether she saw Soler shoot Pawloski, but truthful about seeing Soler shoot Schneider.
Leutwyler defended her results and discredits Raskin as a hired gun for the defense whom Bryant’s attorneys “had to go all the way to Alaska to find.”
At the request of Clark’s attorneys, Stan Abrams, a local polygraph expert, also analyzed Leutwyler’s charts. Using his own scoring method, Abrams found Clark’s polygraph inconclusive.
When Abrams scored the results using Leutwyler’s method, he arrived at the same results she did. Both methods are accepted by the American Polygraph Association.
Ken Simmons, a former Oregon State Police polygrapher who now runs his own business, also deemed the results inconclusive.
“My results were tending in the same direction as Leutwyler’s . . . but I didn’t think (Soler and Clark’s) reactions were high enough to reach a conclusion,” Simmons said.
He also underscored why polygraph tests are not admissible in court and perhaps should not be used as a primary foundation for a major criminal case.
“The fact is that with polygraphs, even if they’re done well, there’s always a chance for error,” he said.
Jenny Cooke, who represents Bryant, and other defense attorneys involved in the case accuse prosecutors of standing by Leutwyler’s results “at all costs.”
****”I think the prosecutor’s office won’t charge Soler because they’re terrified that this case is going to blow (Leutwyler’s) credibility all to hell,” Cooke said. “And what does that say about all the other cases they’ve used her for?” ****
Multnomah County Chief Deputy Norman Frink said he couldn’t comment on an ongoing investigation, but “People can assume we’re not fools.”
https://antipolygraph.org/news/polygraph-news-002.shtml
http://www.wweek.com/portland/article-2761-swimming_with_sharks.html (http://www.wweek.com/portland/article-2761-swimming_with_sharks.html)
I apologize so much for being behind, and E V E R Y O N E should read this link, imo.
B
I do not understand People Mag stating that. “…the investigation began closing in on Horman, 43, whom police believe was the last person to have seen him.” I am starting to think they mean after the abduction.
I think it is the safe way to say something that does not acknowledge SZ, but just mo.
Utterly fascinating the reach of the Murder Business- is it not?
B
Miss Bri says:
February 4, 2014 at 11:36 am
@Rose- I 100% agree that Desiree would have said if he was seen with Terri. I also have no doubt that if the witness saw Kyron be delivered to Terri she would have been arrested. Thats not even possible based on Terri’s time line that day . I feel like we can rule that scenario out (unless a hand off took place somewhere other than the school).
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Following the handoff thought that has been discussed – it seems to me a handoff of some sort, somewhere, would have had to occur to match up with this statement by Kaine:
“It causes great pain to wonder if Kiara was with respondent on June 4, 2010 and witnessed some unimaginable act of horror,” Kaine Horman wrote.
http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/10/kaine_horman_calls_his_estrang.html
Also – In 2010, I listened to the recently discussed “saw it all” video many times and wrote this back in August, 2010. I searched my links to share, but the video is gone.
I posted this August 28, I think, (slightly edited):
I appreciate the comments that have come from the link to kgw’s interview part 2. I watched the end of it again several times and the most significant thing to me that Desiree said when asked about the information that a witness (or 2) saw someone other than Terri in the truck was not the timeline (which has been noted as questionable before), or that people were helping her (which has been discussed a lot). What stood out to me was her comment (around 2:14 left on the video) that “Kyron saw it all and was involved”.
If we assume that Desiree’s comments are influenced by the [LE] information [true or not] she has that we don’t, even if she and Kaine are not totally informed on every detail by LE, that is a different perspective than focusing entirely on a preconceived plot to take Kyron by kidnapping.
“Kyron saw it all and was involved.” To me, this sounds like Kyron saw and heard something he wasn’t supposed to and was aware enough of what he observed that he could not be allowed to tell anyone about it. Maybe it was still all about kidnapping him and he realized it, but I don’t see why anyone would describe it that way just from having a witness say they saw someone sitting in the truck. What is “it all”?
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So – as I recall and noted, it was Kyron that she said saw it all and was involved, not “he”. There were witnesses (1 or 2) whom she (DY) believed to be credible. It is really hard to make sense of such tiny slivers of information, especially when we don’t know if any of it is actually true.
Perhaps we can sort out bits and pieces of what DY and KH say they believe, compare it to what we know, and follow it back to what LE MAY have said to move their beliefs in that direction. NOT saying there are exact words from LE to them, but something started their thoughts in the direction they went. If LE had told them something very different, DY and KH are unlikely to have gone in a totally different direction on their own, particularly in the early months to a year.
In other words, instead of picking up a “fact” and trying to see (forward) where it leads us toward solving the case, what if we took a “fact” and tried looking backward in the direction it came from and, assuming there is a grain of truth and a purpose to every “fact” put out there (whether LE or someone else is the source), attempt to reconstruct what LE may have believed they had as facts. In other words, try to peel away the distortions and manipulative lies to see the origins.
This probably makes no sense to anyone, sorry. I don’t even know if it’s possible. Ordinarily, I’d say it was a rather farfetched idea, but in a case where there are people and/or agencies actively hinting that mysterious evidence exists but can’t be shared, and conducting an investigation by handing out crayons and paper and letting everyone jump in and literally draw their own conclusions, I’d really like to know what the original little kernel of truth or “seed-fact” was for each thing they’ve told DY and KH and various reporters. If we had enough of those, we might begin to see a picture through their eyes.
I’m just thinking LE’s investigation may be more transparent than they/we think if we can shine a light it that direction.
My thoughts concerning the white truck.
The only time this has been brought up in the media was an interview with KH and DY. Reading the transcript (sorry I don’t have a link), one thing that stands out is how often DY interrupts KH as he tries to speak. Her responses seem rushed and not particularly well thought out.
The reporter brings up a siting of Kyron by “Terri’s truck”. Either the reporter had been fed this information by DY prior to the interview or had some independent source. DY immediately interupts this and states “Kaine’s truck”. Was DY stating that Kyron was seen by the Horman family truck, or was this just a correction that the family truck belonged to KH, not TMH? My gut feeling is the latter, but the matter is debatable.
Next, DY gives the nonsensical statement that “Kyron saw it all and was involved”. I seriously doubt that that is what she meant to say. I have always wondered if she meant to say “Terri saw it all and was involved”.
Immediately after this, KH downplays this report as if it were a questionable, or at least unverified, siting.
I believe DY speaks from her heart, but I also feel her high school English teacher cringes every time she speaks. At times, it is difficult to grasp exactly what she is trying to get across.
@MBS- I’ll go back and see if I can find that interview to see if she said “he saw” or “Kyron saw”. If it was “Kyron saw” then I’m back to having zero clue what she’s talking about and what he could have seen.
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MockingbirdSings says:
February 5, 2014 at 3:16 am
I can no longer find the video, but here’s an extract from a transcription posted on scared monkeys that matches my recall:
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=8427.280
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newfie
Scared Monkey
Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #25
« Reply #299 on: August 29, 2010, 01:10:58 PM »
Chit chat from reporter in the beginning not included. Only what’s needed from her for context.
Reporter: Potentially one person in the truck… three people… the white truck, Terri’s truck… can you talk…
Desiree: (interrupts) Kaine’s truck (laughs)
Reporter: a little bit about that…
Reporter: Kaine’s truck. I’m sorry… What are your thoughts on that new information? Do you feel as though Dede was in that truck?
Desiree: (interrupts) It just makes me feel stronger that, that there were people helping her… that Kyron saw it all and was involved and that there were other people helping her… which is what we suspected.
Reporter: So because… but do you believe that a man was spotted? I mean again, these are witness accounts, and I don’t know how much information that you’ve been privy to about what the, what is the likeliest scenario?
Desiree: Well first of all, why would Kyron even be outside the school? Why would he even be near a truck with somebody else in it?
You know. I mean it’s significant in a huge way to the case. If the timeline played out the way that it supposedly did? That contradicts that completely.So I mean, other than that (shrugs), that’s how significant it was to me.
Reporter: How authentic do you think that witness is? I mean how…
Desiree: (interrupts, shifts eyes to side) Very authentic.
Reporter: So it’s a credible…
Desiree: (interrupts, shifts eyes to side and down) Yep.
Reporter: …witness.
Reporter: And what exactly are they claiming that they saw?
Kaine: (audibly sighs/intakes breath, clears throat)
Kaine: Well I think, Sarah, I think to be more direct about it… I think that law enforcement needs to determine that still.
Desiree: Yeah, that part.
Kaine: We’ve been briefed on a lot of the information and the tips and the things that they’re looking into, and that was part of that bucket of tips that they’re…
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“It just makes me feel stronger that, that there were people helping her… that Kyron saw it all and was involved and that there were other people helping her… which is what we suspected.”
Could be interpreted as:
After knowing that Kyron was seen by a white truck (Kaine’s truck?), Desiree felt more strongly that Terri saw it all and was helped by others.
I think “Kyron” was a misspoken word, much as she meant that she felt more strongly, not that she felt stronger. She laughed at the beginning of the interview, which I take as a clear indication of her level of nervousness.
@MBS- I thought I might be able to find the interview on youtube but wasnt able to. If someone has the transcript of it can you please post it? While looking for that interview I listened to the one linked below. One thing I picked up on is Kaine said one of the first things he did when he got home at 2pm was he had something to eat because he hadn’t eaten in a while (around 6:45 in). I would love to know if he took a lunch break that day.
http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/07/terri_hormans_emails_to_kyron.html
Thanks MbS, she does say Kyron saw it all. Transcribed by someone on SM:
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=8427.280
Reporter: Potentially one person in the truck… three people… the white truck, Terri’s truck… can you talk…
Desiree: (interrupts) Kaine’s truck (laughs)
Reporter: a little bit about that…
Reporter: Kaine’s truck. I’m sorry… What are your thoughts on that new information? Do you feel as though Dede was in that truck?
Desiree: (interrupts) It just makes me feel stronger that, that there were people helping her… that Kyron saw it all and was involved and that there were other people helping her… which is what we suspected.
Reporter: So because… but do you believe that a man was spotted? I mean again, these are witness accounts, and I don’t know how much information that you’ve been privy to about what the, what is the likeliest scenario?
Desiree: Well first of all, why would Kyron even be outside the school? Why would he even be near a truck with somebody else in it?
You know. I mean it’s significant in a huge way to the case. If the timeline played out the way that it supposedly did? That contradicts that completely.So I mean, other than that (shrugs), that’s how significant it was to me.
Reporter: How authentic do you think that witness is? I mean how…
Desiree: (interrupts, shifts eyes to side) Very authentic.
Reporter: So it’s a credible…
Desiree: (interrupts, shifts eyes to side and down) Yep.
Reporter: …witness.
Reporter: And what exactly are they claiming that they saw?
Kaine: (audibly sighs/intakes breath, clears throat)
Kaine: Well I think, Sarah, I think to be more direct about it… I think that law enforcement needs to determine that still.
Desiree: Yeah, that part.
Kaine: We’ve been briefed on a lot of the information and the tips and the things that they’re looking into, and that was part of that bucket of tips that they’re…
Desiree: (interrupts) Yeah.
Kaine: …that they’re working their way through. Until they confirm and until they bring some of that information forward to the greater public, they’re still looking into it, so I think us commenting on that is a little bit premature.
There’s how we feel about it…
Desiree: (interrupts) Yeah.
Kaine: …and then there are the facts. And the facts…
Reporter: (interrupts) How do you feel about it?
Kaine: How do I feel about it? I feel it’s definitely significant. I don’t know how credible the sources are. I’m hoping that they are because it helps us bring more of those pieces that we talked about before, the puzzle, in to paint the bigger picture, but until they’re confirmed, I’m not going to maintain a sense of false hope that they’re valid, until they’re actually valid, until I see them and get from law enforcement that yep, this is verified, this is air tight, this is another piece that we found, and then I will believe it.
Desiree: Yeah.
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Would have made so much more sense if she was referring to a witness seeing it all. Big Sigh. I still wonder if this could have simply been someone seeing a child who looked like Kyron, but was not. Bigger Sigh.
@MBS- I totally understand what you’re saying. Early on I thought that LE knew who SZ was and that he was a family member, friend,staff member, etc. And so LE wanted him to think they were looking at Terri to make SZ let his guard down and slip up
MockingbirdSings says:
February 5, 2014 at 3:16am
(snipped)In other words, instead of picking up a “fact” and trying to see (forward) where it leads us toward solving the case, what if we took a “fact” and tried looking backward in the direction it came from and, assuming there is a grain of truth and a purpose to every “fact” put out there (whether LE or someone else is the source), attempt to reconstruct what LE may have believed they had as facts. In other words, try to peel away the distortions and manipulative lies to see the origins.
Have a couple of posts hanging out from yesterday. (I always wonder if there are others’ posts still in cyber space as well.)
Please don’t T.Ruth. Have been without power, cable, web, and for a time 4G for hours. My apologies.
B
@MBS. Really good thinking to walk backward to attempt to deduct the source’s (LE’s) kernal conveyed.
The only downside I see is that ‘ol “LE lies” to advance an investigation.
Also, if Kyron saw & was involved in a criminal act, I don’t think LE would disclose to the bios
the nuts & bolts of a witnessed criminal transaction. A witness on whom they rely that is. I think
they threw RSE under the bus because in part they do not rely on him as a witness
for whatever their case is.
docs are on vwoolf’s site
sorry, error. It seems I saw Dec 13 docs.
Last nite a People mag article was last so I thot they were new;
don’t see People now but probably because I must be
having search engine issues.
@Amys Sister
Has your Dad ever been involved with the investigation of a child abduction, either by family or stranger? What I’m most curious about is the very beginning of this case. I wonder what a seasoned investigator would think about KH’s letter to Intel, two days after Kyron went missing, giving their legal department the heads up. I wonder what he thinks about the family not speaking out for so long. I wonder what he would think about the decision to have Kyron’s step dad speaking out before his own father and mother pleading for his return?
I wonder what he would think about Jason Gates’ statement that they could not rule out stranger danger? (Which has never been contradicted by anyone.) What does he think about the school not retaining their records, when they were obviously aware there was a full-blown investigation going on? What does he think about KH suggesting they search a horse pasture in a town miles away?
Has he ever heard of a case where a reporter asks if the child has any medical conditions to be concerned about and the police said “no comment”. What would he think about the statement the family gave that said Kyron wouldn’t be home for Father’s Day, the Friday before the holiday? What would he think about Kyron’s stepdad, a seasoned detective, publicly saying very early on that he was 100% sure it was Terri who took Kyron. Does he think it would have been LE’s idea to have the Youngs stay at the Horman home?
This initial stuff is what still bugs me about this case. There seemed to be much confusion in the beginning of this case, so much in fact, that it seems to me that it may have been intentionally caused. By whom? Terri? Kaine? School? IDK
For instance, originally, there was a report when they were out searching where Officer Lindstrand said that Kyron was afraid of police. Later it becomes known Kyron wanted to be a police detective. (I doubt Lindstrand made that up, so where did that come from?) Originally, it was discussed by Gates that Kyron was an outgoing, fun-loving kid, liked by all, active in sports, etc. Later, it is said he was shy and would not venture anywhere by himself, wouldn’t even leave the yard.
Why is/was there all this conflicting information? I can’t help but feel someone(s) was misleading, or leading this whole case into whatever direction suited their own needs right from the beginning, and that is why Kyron has not been found.
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Btw, there was a report last night out of Salem on the news regarding the investigation into the debacle that has occurred with “Cover Oregon” (Oregon’s new Health Plan). Guess who was answering questions for the Gov’s Office, Matt Shelby. Interesting.
I was watching an episode on the Bio Channel, the show “You Gotta Eat Here” on Feb. 2, 2014. Host is Jon Catucci. There was a young boy in one of the resturants with adults eating and he looked just like this boy, glasses, teeth, hair, everything. The psychic said he was brought to the state of WA. and I believe this episode was shot in Canada. Please look into this. You can contact me at any time, I live in Kevil, KY.
holly mccarthy-biolo February 4th 7:29 am
Hello Holly Mccarthy-Biolo. I remember that psychic back in the beginning as well. Her name was Sonja something. Do you remember if it was a new episode or an old one? Do you also recollect which restaurant or food they were discussing? I believe this show is only shot in Canada.
Did you happen to tape that particu;ar show? How can someone get in touch with you?
Ankine
Ankine February 4th 11:26 am
http://www.kyronhorman.com/
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The above was posted on Ky’s Virtual Wall of Hope website, probably nothing, but someone should probably at least look at the episodes that aired on that day. I believe the poster meant the Food Network not Bio, unless the Bio channel is showing re-runs, I don’t get the Bio channel so? (link to the shows that aired on the CANFN 2/2/14.) I tried, and couldn’t get them, geographically restricted, whatever that means. (Any excuse to watch an original Food Network show, is okay by me, especially on a cold winter day. Caught a few on you tube.) I hope the poster comes back and is more specific, wish they’d called it in. http://www.foodnetwork.ca/ontv/index.html
Like I said, probably nothing, but one just never knows, what may bring this child home.
GD brings up an interesting idea — if Terri “saw it all”. But, of course, how would DY know? HOWEVER, if Terri “saw it all”, it would certainly explain why she has the services of a lawyer who specializes in plea bargains, in which case we might never find out what happened to Kyron.
IF Terri “saw it all”, whatever it was that she saw – a hand-off of Kyron to SZ (I know she loved that little boy, so she must have been really ticked at her two-timer to let somebody take him and get her KH revenge at the same time”) a lot of this makes sense.
I also like Mockingbird’s idea of tracing things back to their origins and seeing everything with fresh eyes. It’s kind of like “follow the money”, right?
It’s too bad that DY so quickly sided with her two-timing ex, but she has probably had unkind feelings about Terri ever since she (DY) let her(TMH) have the bum. Snark.
It would have been interesting to get a feel for which of those parents were truly grief stricken at that presser, and which of them might have been just play-actin’….
@GeorgiaDad says: February 5, 2014 at 10:06 am
My thoughts concerning the white truck.
…..Next, DY gives the nonsensical statement that “Kyron saw it all and was involved”. I seriously doubt that that is what she meant to say. I have always wondered if she meant to say “Terri saw it all and was involved”.
I like GADad’s thought Desiree meant Terri rather than Kyron in that sentence.
The issue wrt to DY’s comment is witnesses in Matthews’ room put Kyron leaving with
SZ between 9-915 (not gonna look for that url comment sorry), and Terri was proveably elsewhere
at that time. And why did DY make such a deal on Fill TH coukdn’t see Kyron walking toward his room
from the stairs? If she meant Terri at the truck, imo she also meant TH did not watch him walk down the hall.
Rather, he left with her. That fits the timeline. Which means DY
must think the boy who went outside to help a man was another kid.
I just re-read Multnomah County’s Motion submitted by Carlos Callendriello to Quash O’Donnell’s deposition in the divorce case.
I think we discussed this before, but there is zero mention of any pending case for the solicitation of murder. He bases his argument for O’Donnell not to be deposed solely in regard to the Kyron Horman investigation, referring to the investigation as being on going.
So, how is it that Judge Kantor quashed O’Donnell being deposed in regard to the MFH accusation? It wasn’t even in the County’s Motion to Quash.
If, LE/DA was attempting to use the MFH as motive for investigating Terri, then why wasn’t it mentioned in the Motion to Quash as off-limits and an ongoing investigation as well? There isn’t anything there about it at all. So, since the County didn’t object, why can’t HouzeofBunches go forward with a subpoena to O’Donnell solely in regard to the MFH?
@mbs. I read bsck to find TRuth’s treasures & re-found your lawsuit “baiting” q.
I think the value of dropping a very weak, unfounded imo really, tort suit, then “tempting”
the prior defendant to file a tort (slander?), which would also be very weak, would be
the matter of attorney fees in litigating either suit. If Plaintiff in
civil 1 loses her weak suit, likely she pays Defense costs. If TH files
a difficult to prove suit against DY, and loses, imo she’s stuck with DY’s Defense costs.
My lay opinion as to a possible “baiting” motive.
Donations are essentially nonexistsnt to DY’s Ramirez account recently, so
I wonder if there’s now a private donor site.
No comments, so there may be a communication tree elsewhere.
Thanks T Ruth and Lizzy for finding the transcription. Gosh, every time Kaine talks I just want to shake him. This comment in particular made my blood pressure rise:
Kaine: We’ve been briefed on a lot of the information and the tips and the things that they’re looking into, and ***that was part of that bucket of tips*** that they’re…
Desiree: (interrupts) Yeah.
Kaine: …that they’re working their way through.
Umm, what? That huge piece of information that gives LE a witness who saw Kyron outside with a man and a truck is only considered by Kaine to be part of a bucket of tips? ugh.
Also, Desiree says he was outside a truck with someone else in it. Does that mean that there was one person in the truck, along with SZ and Kyron outside the truck (2 people involved in abduction)? Or was SZ in the truck and Kyron outside (SZ working alone)?
Hope you’re staying warm Blink and everyone for that matter. What a bizarre Winter for most of us one way or the other.
Thank you kindly T.Ruth and all- It has been unreal and the kids will be going to school in July, lol.
B
When DY and KH had that interview and DY talked about Kyron being near a white truck (Kaine’s, as she so sarcastically put it)….why couldn’t that have been SZ’s truck? If we know for sure that a man asked the teacher to allow Kyron to help him get something, isn’t it at all possible that that is what someone saw? LE has never verified the episode relayed by the bios, have they? And no reporter picked up afterwards except to accept without hesitation that the truck must have been Terri’s and DS was in it. What a pack of buffoons! Again, I blame the Youngs for this misdirection of the entire investigation. One would think that by now DY would have learned to keep her very biased opinions to herself.
Blink, is there any probability Kyron’s abduction was carried out by a male (SZ) and female (TMH look alike) working together? SZ coaxing Kyron outside and a look alike driving away with Kyron in a white truck?
I do not know. I can only say what I feel is verified.
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wrt “I believe DY would know that, and if you read her post, where she provides absolutely no identifiers about it, or images, title info, or google juice- Interesting venue to present her opinion, to include no comments from others or linkage.
Was that the intention? B”
http://blinkoncrime.com/2013/12/31/kyron-horman-missing-new-years-eve-settlement-ends-horman-marriage/#comments
wrt identifiers or links or any identifying info on the article she railed against, other than the word “People,” by Desiree, admittedly I faulted her for not giving the issue date as I shelled out my $ on the wrong one. I thought if she was so anxious and bought every issue, it had come out Sat, not 5 days before. Even Green had it photo’d online sans images before DY “woke up” on Sat.
But the point is, if there’s no data–link, date, pp nos. etc– it becomes mighty hard for HER public followers to check her claims against the story. imo the Warriors, the Roseburg FB followers posts reflect imo acting on “id” and calls to arms.
Again DY on Fill asked volunteers to contact her by email. I believe an elist then is her Warriors primary communication tool. So, I have to ask, why was this diatribe on Ramirez donation solicitation page
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@Blink assumed you had an ice issue. Enjoy the woodstove.
New Jersey is plagued by a large ice storm. This means downed power lines and communication equipment. Not a fun place to be.
I hope Blink has heat in her home from a natural gas supply or propane for a back-up.
No Sir. We had our generator running until a few hours ago. Unfortunately, we had serious tree damage and serious line damge- this is in front of the house. Severe flooding, but power is on.
http://i711.photobucket.com/albums/ww116/BlinkOnCrime/Snowmageddon1_zps340ab425.jpg
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Thought just came to me today, not at all sure why I never thought of this before, but hadn’t, have you?
Desiree said she never knew about TMH’s DUI which was way back in (IIRC) 2005. (Kept intentionally out of the loop by her ex husband, Kaine, IMO.) I wonder if DY was ever made aware of the ongoing case against Kristian Horman and what she may have thought about it. I mean, she states she tried to get custody of Kyron about year prior, to the point of her husband, TY, having to talk her out of literally kidnapping him. Someone refresh my memory, wasn’t it about a year prior that Kristian’s case was going on?
Why did she suddenly feel the need to approach KH and ask for custody? Perhaps it had nothing to do with TMH. She said in one of her earliest interviews she thought everything up north was just fine. (Contradicted later.) Is it possible that DY & TY moved Kyron somewhere in fear for his safety and then used TMH as their patsy for doing so and are now in a heap-a-trouble. IDK, bizarre I guess…..and why would TY turn around and hug Kaine at the first family presser? I guess that makes no sense.
I guess this thought came to me because of TY’s recent reference to a pedophile.
Out there, but I’d never even thought of this before.
Geeze, why can’t (heavy on the CAN’T) release more info in this case?
My gut feeling is the answer will come if they do.
Blink, Thank you for moderating. Sorry for making your job tougher sometimes. You are appreciated, especially during power outages and all. It’s in the teens here, too, but no precip, for once we don’t envy the east coast winter. Our whole state just huddled around that trophy to keep warm, lol.
I don’t know DY’s intention with that letter, or post. I think NelMel said it best, that anything off script from her viewpoint is upsetting to her. How I wish she would either go back to the school and ask questions, or hire a PI, or let loose with some of the information that has her so convinced that TH is guilty so she could some help from the public.
The most poignant part of the article, I thought, was TH’s neighbor saying. “Everybody has to make a decision. Should I befriend this person? I feel you’re innocent until proven guilty.” [Jim Heath]
There are quite a few high profile child abductions that have been incorrectly blamed on one or more parents. I think Jim Heath is right about everyone having to make a decision. To say it another way, if you had to pick, would you rather send an innocent person to prison, or let a guilty person go free?
erose says:
February 5, 2014 at 12:31 am
No apologies necessary erose and LOL! I would be happy to gather around that trophy for warmth today.
B
TRuth, That show is done in Canada. The recently aired episodes are at the bottom of the page on this link. Nothing for 02/02/14. Guessing it was the 01/24/14 repeat, of which are two, though it could be any episode on repeat. Seems you can watch them all. I’ll start watching 01/24/14.
http://www.foodnetwork.ca/ontv/shows/you-gotta-eat-here/episode.html?titleid=265117&episodeid=265117&type=specialshow
Update – Might not be able to watch episodes for 2014 yet.