Kyron Horman Missing: New Years Eve Settlement Ends Horman Marriage
Portland, OR- In a surprise court hearing, Judge Henry Kantor signed off on the agreement between Kaine Horman and Terri Moulton Horman to end their marriage this afternoon.
Details of the agreement have not been released publicly, but according to KGW, a financial settlement to include child support and a lump payment to Terri Horman has been reached.
In what can only be described as a bitter family court feud- the divorce matter was last in court on December 16th to decide if the Horman landscaper, Rodolfo Sanchez Estrada -who alleges Terri Horman tried to hire him to murder Kaine Horman at a lunch meeting – would testify.
Judge Kantor has not yet filed an order from that hearing but Attorneys for Terri Horman were granted a continuance from the pending temporary custody motion scheduled for December 19th and 20th.
BOC Associate Editor Tarin Kenley contributed to this report.
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Looks like Kyron is holding a soccer trophy on a double bed. The younger male looks to be on a laptop on a counter top that looks to be in a kitchen as I can see a stove top. Why is there a bed next to the kitchen? Is this a hotel room?
Same photo, different link:
http://s380.photobucket.com/user/Brandi-Monkey/media/Kyron/-fb7ac8a9dc3da134_custom_665xauto.jpg.html
Correct me if I am wrong, but that def appears to be Quinn. Also appears to be an efficiency room of some kind, yes.
B
beaucoup pictures show on both June 5 and 6 Washington and Mult Cty SARS are searching in depth on Cornelius Pass, 2 mi north of school
http://topics.oregonlive.com/tag/kyron-horman/index-oldest.html
june 10 focusing again on Cornelius Pass
adding NW Quarry, less than 1 mile sw of school
http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/06/kyron_horman_search_re-energiz.html
http://www.kgw.com/story/news/2014/07/20/11757778/
apparently these sars focused on Cornelius Pass to exhaustion June 5 & 6 because that is the route Terri reported driving to or from Imbrie Rd Meyers. So when planningtge June 5 search in the middle of the night, MCSO had predetermined Terri abducted Kyron.
What someone influenced that thinking?
1) Porter’s CYA: Telling her principal he left with Terri
2) the Youngs, I’ll bet
So from early June 5 mcso was not doing realistic searches.
Changed my mind, I’d add Porter–but not PPS– to that hypothetical Federal suit.
Note- this is prior to any LDTs, and probably prior to knowledge in the field of SZ. Combo of Knowledge that Ky backpack and lunch was in class, confirmation he/they were in attendance and the info he had left school activity on his own before. AND.. the empirical data at first glance.
B
Since Kitz’s own press release about Moawad’s golden parachute appointment said she worked fulltime on Kyron for a year, imo she belongs in the hypothetical alienator pantheon with Frink, O’Donnell, Rackner, Meisenheimer, and Kantor. I wonder if Meisenheimer retired due to ex parte contacts with prosecutors or private divorce attorneys being reported to a judicial conduct board..like Lunsford in Centre County?
So, Blink, what’s the reason an mcso spokesman has never informed the public Terri had departed the school grounds & was verified on tape at Meyers at the time a teacher allowed Kyron to exit the building with a man? That’s a simple enough statement. And it coukdn’t hurt the investigation. I don’t believe the DA could preclude Staton’s candor. They’re both elected officials, and to Constitutional Sheriff mind, that LE job is second to none, including–and particularly–the Feds. I can’t see Staton would overexert himself to protect PPS from liability. To me it must then be some dirty little internal mcso secret, like officers on steroids would be uncovered. What are your ideas?
1. So as not to influence witness accounts once they realized they already had. 2. So as not to tip off a suspect, or suspects or give TH a story to tell them. 3. To incite panic among parents/students and ensuing outcomes from that. To be clear, I likely would have advised LE to withold that info in the immediate until a review of all material witness statements could be analyzed IF…. SZ was identified. It appears according to Kaine he has STILL not been- no excuse for that since I KNOW that at least a handful of material witnesses I am aware of have not even been interviewed again 5+ years later. The party line will be to keep the integrity of the investigation – of course.
AND.. since no reporter or outlet has even attempted any FOIA in the region, it holds.
B
what is strange is on June 5-6 the mcso & Wash SARS were ONLY searching the Cornelious Pass area and inside houses there as documented by the Oregonian photos. That suggests the Terri route to me.
looks like an efficiency motel room and in my opinion they were at one of Quinn’s track meets and that’s Quinn’s trophy. We don’t kniw the Youngs were there. As likely the Hormans took Kyron to watch Quinn compete.
@ erose says:
October 18, 2015 at 4:46 am
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DY and Q were at the presentation dinner for Kyron’s soccer award. I’m guessing she stayed in a motel, and the boys stayed with her, when that photo was taken. That is for sure Q in the background.
There are more pictures of the award ceremony, where DY is ‘playing’ with Kiara, and the DY/Horman group are seated at one table together.
erose, I do believe that is Q as well. DY was at a ceremony where Kyron received his soccer trophy, there are pictures on TMH’s FB. I believe that most likely is a hotel room, as she most likely would have stayed in one while up in Portland for that event. My thoughts anyway.
@Rose says:
October 18, 2015 at 7:37 am
(snipped)
What someone influenced that thinking?
1) Porter’s CYA: Telling her principal he left with Terri
2) the Youngs, I’ll bet
So from early June 5 mcso was not doing realistic searches.
Changed my mind, I’d add Porter–but not PPS– to that hypothetical Federal suit.
Note- this is prior to any LDTs, and probably prior to knowledge in the field of SZ. Combo of Knowledge that Ky backpack and lunch was in class, confirmation he/they were in attendance and the info he had left school activity on his own before. AND.. the empirical data at first glance.
B
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And I would still like to know how Desiree Young knew that Kyron did not have his coat with him, when she first got the phone call from the school. (She said that as soon as she got the call he was missing, she was worried about him being cold “outside” in her speech in front of the tent when she talked about how much she depended on TY.) Why would she even think he was outside somewhere? Wouldn’t a more typical response be I hope he must be at a friends house? Anyway, in that speech, she is implying that Susan Hall told her Kyron’s coat was still there. I’d like to know if that in fact was said.
The school did not inform DY that Kyrons backpack and coat were found in his class- Terri did when she and Kaine got back to the school. The last time I heard her speak she referred to it as a call she received on the way to Portland. Susan Hall did not speak to DY again, to my knowledge.
B
Rose says:
October 18, 2015 at 8:28 am
@Blink says:
(snipped)
“To be clear, I likely would have advised LE to withold that info in the immediate until a review of all material witness statements could be analyzed IF…. SZ was identified.
It appears according to Kaine he has STILL not been- no excuse for that since I KNOW that at least a handful of material witnesses I am aware of have not even been interviewed again 5+ years later. The party line will be to keep the integrity of the investigation – of course. ”
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Isn’t it possible that SZ is NOT the person Kyron left Matthews room with? Isn’t it possible that the person Kyron left Mattthews room with HAS been identified and has a rock solid alibi? (i.e., walked out with Kyron, got something from a vehicle, walked back in with Kyron following right behind, and then Kyron took off on his own?) Isn’t it possible that there is an entirely different SZ and that the person who asked Kyron for help has been cleared? Also, is it possible the person who asked Kyron for help, was actually setting up the abduction? IOW, he tells someone who is outside waiting near his vehicle, I’ll bring the kid outside to help me so that you’ll know which kid he is, and then boom, immediately thereafter, after the person who asked for Kyron’s assistance is back in and alibied, and Kyron is seen back inside, the other SZ comes in and snatches up Kyron.
This also would explain why LE was trying to find an unknown vehicle, or at least I think that’s what they were trying to do. OTOH, maybe the person who asked Kyron for help had nothing to do with his disappearance. (I know, just one more coincidence that got Kyron outside.) Whether or not this person that asked for Ky’s help had anything to do with Kyron’s disappearance, I believe there must be at least one more person that was involved that day, and that person was outside waiting in a vehicle. This is the only way I can explain no composite sketch released for an unidentified man who Matthews and others clearly saw.
I mean if everyone believes TMH had to have help, then how do we know someone else, SZ didn’t as well.
IOW, if the person who asked for Kyron’s help, has been ID’d and cleared, then Kaine’s statement could still be true, that they are looking for another unknown person, and if that is the case, then LE could not do a composite drawing, because no one saw him/her or knows exactly where Kyron disappeared from. But then, I ask myself, why do they not say who the person who asked for help was and say that this was the last time Kyron was seen? Okay, scratching head, because it was not the last time he was seen? Could it be he was seen after he helped the person, and most likely seen by a child, a child who noticed no one with him and then not seen again to this day. I guess that would explain no composite, because Kyron was last seen by a child and alone in a hallway or some such location. Sheesh, five years later and its still difficult to make sense of anything.
Portland coach arrested for sexually explicit texts to Wisconsin boy
SHAWANO, Wis. (AP) – Authorities say a mother’s instincts led to the arrest of a traveling basketball coach who sent suggestive text messages to her son.
Shawano County Sheriff Adam Bieber says deputies arrested the suspect Friday night. He’s being held pending charges of using a computer to facilitate a child sex crime and child enticement.
The sheriff says Nicholas Ray Alexander Bennett, 23, of Portland, began texting a 13-year-old Shawano boy who attended his basketball camp Tuesday. He says the texts at first were about the boy’s athletic talents. But he says the texts gradually turned suggestive. The mother saw the messages and called the sheriff’s office.
(snipped, more @link)
A “traveling” basketball coach? What? Is this something that is done often? Coaching pays well enough that one would travel to different states in order to coach? Do I recall someone once mentioning a basketball camp in Kyron’s case? IDK, maybe it was just some rumor.
T- what that means is he is a coach of a “travel team. For my kids pre-HS years, they both played on TT in their respective sports. It simply refers to a club team or team outside of the teams as long as you signed up you were on the roster type thing.
B
http://www.kgw.com/story/news/local/2015/10/17/portland-coach-arrested-sexting-wisconsin-boy/74128352/
ooops, forgot the link ^
eating my words
kyron’s name on trophy
http://s380.photobucket.com/user/Brandi-Monkey/media/Kyron/-fb7ac8a9dc3da134_custom_665xauto.jpg.html
end of year participation?
my new project, documenting day by day where press
says mcso & other sars were at, beginning Jine 5, knowing local press
never doublchecked, verified, or were reliable sources as to anything
@Blink, I get your point, but LOL, “not to influence witness accounts” because they did nothing but that with the flyer and apparently as previously stated here how they interviewed potential witnesses with leading questions. &&& LOL at the integrity of the investigation of which any evidence of such integrity remains to be seen, going on as you say 5+ years.
e- I was asked what the splanation would be, not whether I bought in, lol.
B
And we all know they should have had TH on their radar, and KH and DY and TY and the teacher and staff and support staff at PPS and the families and strangers visiting the SF that day. On the surface, there is circumstantial evidence that made TH look suspicious, but the revelation of Kyron leaving a classroom with an adult male is a game changer. Protocols should dictate parallel investigations, if they don’t already.
Rose says:
October 18, 2015 at 7:37 am
snip>
So when planningtge June 5 search in the middle of the night, MCSO had predetermined Terri abducted Kyron.
@TRuth. wrt “he was seen after he helped the person, and most likely seen by a child, a child who noticed no one with him and then not seen again to this day. I guess that would explain no composite, because Kyron was last seen by a child and alone in a hallway or some such location
http://blinkoncrime.com/2013/12/31/kyron-horman-missing-new-years-eve-settlement-ends-horman-marriage/#comments
excellent theory, as I understand you
positing kyron was seen by a child witness outside after helping SZ because he was seen without an adult and after 8:45.
I cannot see mcso though relying on any single child (all child witnesses imo shoukd inherently be deemed unreliable unless one corroboration). And, iirc K went outside for butterfly release and an attending child could be time confused.
@TRuth. wrt ” I can explain no composite sketch released for an unidentified man who Matthews and others clearly saw.” my motto is never underestimate the ineptitude of mcso’ decisions; Blonk
may say inexperience & no training for this case. I say it’s a matter of a constitutional Sherrif’s determined hegemony over the Feds in case direction and control.
one doesn’t take a 13 yo Travel Team of any sport from
OR to WI, imo.
This certainly was a 23 yo who sold his services coaching as an itinerant.
Personally, I’d look to the 23 yos adult “travel” enablers or associates.
Rose says:
October 17, 2015 at 9:19 pm
@TRuth wrt “he wanted to say something, but then would just stand there. That still sounds to me like a child who is *scared”. http://blinkoncrime.com/2013/12/31/kyron-horman-missing-new-years-eve-settlement-ends-horman-marriage/#comments
that sounds to me line a boy with an expressive/receptive language disability.
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Maybe both – a boy with an expressive/receptive language disability (with which I am familiar) had an urge to tell or to ask questions about something he was anxious or frightened about – but in any case, he did not seem too afraid to repeatedly approach Terri to try to talk about it.
ALSO wrt to the ease of hearing “non-preferred noises” in the house – in addition to sex, that could include bits and pieces of a parent arguing with someone in person or on the phone – even hearing your own name spoken in an unfamiliar context.
I have thought before, as others have, that Kyron may have known something he shouldn’t (whether he knew exactly what that meant yet or not), but it could have been enough to trigger a response if someone only THOUGHT he knew.
@current discussion -
Perhaps a second person waiting outside in a car after SZ came out and possibly went back in, could have been a woman and that’s where the DDS “connection” started?
Maybe the (vague) information about a woman in a car (or pickup) came from a child or from SZ who was then thought not to be a suspect – or both and there was no adequate description to pass along. It was a rainy week, and chilly. Anyone in a vehicle would have had the windows up and condensation on the windows, making a face hard to describe, and probably the motor running.
Another thought – if SZ subdued Kyron and wanted to go back in the school briefly to be seen again for an alibi, how could that work without Kyron? You’d think (well, maybe not in this case) that if Matthews had seen him come back in without Kyron, she would have asked where he was. Answers? He walked to another door and didn’t carry anything in? I don’t know? He’s coming?
Porter fits right in.
http://www.oregonlive.com/education/index.ssf/2015/10/schools_shift_focus_to_behavio.html#incart_2box_
Oh Blink, I always knew you weren’t buying in. Can’t believe the local press is. Not even an attempt for filing an FOIA. Thank you, TKG, TRuth and Rose for input on that photo. I have only seen a couple pics of Q, so I had no idea he looked that old at the time Kyron went missing.
@mbs. regarding kyron being seen with a woman (Terri) at a truck, imo it came from child(ren) who had an erroneous sense of time because Blink has said he forgot things in the truck and went backoutside with terri to retrieve his bag & jacket earlier than their departure.
June 4 pm
9:45 pm- mcso, more than 20 people & 2 K-9 units, in a broad area around the school.
June 5
Wash Cty
Ariel Haffey + SARS near Cornelious Pass
Deputy Kevin Mitchum, enters Liden home near Cornelius Pass
Deputy Kevin Mitcham searches behind Plainview Grocery & Autoparts near Corneliys Pass
Ariel Haffey & SAR team near Cornelius Pass Rd
Mitchum brush off C P Rd, walks back to Skyline.
MCSO SAR
June 5
sar team: “a nearby field”
Karen Wolfgang, “a densely wooded area”
all covered 2 mile radius of school
investigators spend all day with families
June 6
staff & students are interviewed
MCSO
“a private property on Cornelius Pass”
Caleb Carr, Brandon Liggett, Rebecca Cropp, Mike Allen, Cole Stevens, Mack Holland, Nathan Lay, Angels Douglas “a private property on C P” This large mcso group seems to have spent the day on that private property 2 mi North of school
Mon June 7
18 SAR search, deputies canvas with fliers.
did not complete 2 mi radius Sunday & hoped to do so Monday.
Tues June 8
Gates & Keefer each take only 1 press concerence question. I guess Esther M coughed up the SZ info on Monday when she got back to work.
Wed June 9 “search expands” headlines
“”All of the 35 have responded,” he said. “They’re working on organizing their resources. We’ve utilized ours to search the area that a man could travel. We’ve reached that phase where we need to expand the search farther out.”
So Staton slipped? Kyron was with “a man,” and a man theoretically on foot.
“The big push with the statewide contingent will begin Thursday, authorities said. Asked why it didn’t happen earlier, Multnomah County sheriff’s Capt. Jason Gates said: “This is the natural progression for resources.”"
streets around Skyline.
Sheltered Nook Rd
(Looks like a search pause on Tues & Wed).
Jackson Cty SAR arrived the nite of June 9
Thurs June 10
back to Cornelius Pass with a
K9 unit , Josephine County Sheriff’s SAR checks out an area along Cornelius Pass
also Horman home centric, still working off a he ran away theory?:
“..the area surrounding the Horman home a few miles from the school. …the thick brush and trees along the main road leading to the house as well as the family’s property. Several canine unit vehicles were also seen heading to the area. Wednesday, Multnomah County officials said horseback units, as well as aircraft, would also be used in today’s search.”
More at a base at NWQuarry Rd, 1 mi SE of school,
crews from Jackson, Tillamook, Klamath, Clackamas and Washington counties and Pacific Northwest Search and Rescue
going back over a 2.5 mi radius around the school
door to door checks at every residence (what good does a front door check do?)
Josephine Cty SAR, immediate area around Horman home.
Jackson Cty SAR – Cornelius Pass
Fri June 11 1PM
Sauvie Island Searchers on horseback from Lane, Clackamas and Wasco counties
Sat June 12
back to the area around the school
“Search teams gathered near Skyline Elementary School and began looking through the trees and fields nearby around 9 a.m. ” “…included re-canvassing houses in the Skyline neighborhood”
A National Guard helicopter flew low over the slough dividing Sauvie Island and the mainland today, hovering about 100 feet off the ground, headed slowly back and forth.
Search teams combed the steep grassy hillside along US 30 and the rail line beside”
Deschutes County, Klamath, & mcso Sheriff’s Office searched railroad tracks along highway 30 between Cornelius Pass and Sauvie Island
Goodness. On Sat June 12, Staton is still posturing to the press that Kyron was a walk away:
“”This is what is hugely disturbing to me,” he told The Oregonian on Saturday. “The fact that you had a child in school and the last time the child was seen is at 9 in the morning — there are concerns about that lag time. If the child had walked away from the school, the likelihood of finding him under those circumstances would have been extremely high. “After five hours,” the sheriff said, “you know as well as I do how far a child could walk on a roadway.”
This sounds pretty clearly like 8 days after the abduction Staton did not know kyron was given permission to go outside to help a man after the last bell.
“I wanted them involved because the last time this child was seen was inside a school,” he said. “This was not a child walking away from their home or getting lost in the woods. This is a child who got lost inside a school with faculty there. That was the last time the child was seen.”
June 13 criminal investigation announced. full court press on Terri begins.
all quotes & info above derived from this list of oregonlive topics, p 1-8.
http://topics.oregonlive.com/tag/kyron-horman/index-oldest-9.html
I had planned to integrate info day by day from katu, kgw, and WW but have lost my ability to sustain focus.
I think it’s useful to have search volunteers names as well as location.
For whatever reason, Cornelius Pass was the ne plus ultra search area in addition to the school radius.
sorry, the title of my note above should have been
OLive article clues to day by day search areas, June 4-13.
June 4-13 don’t strike me as organized efficient
target choices, apart from the 2 mile radius
around the school, and Sheltered Nook Rd area.
No wonder Staton’s crew have not reinterviewed witnesses to Kyron’s departure from Mathews’ room in the building to help a man carry something in. His deput(ies?) have led him to disbelieve that storyline, the reason Desiree disbelieve it. He has been misled imo by his own investigators.
Ha, In early Aug 2010, these numnuts were STILL belaboring searching the same Cornelius Pass area.
http://www.kptv.com/story/14794370/new-sheriffs-flier-shows-dede-spicher-8-10-2010
“Over the weekend, crews were seen searching specific areas in northwest Portland, including fields along Cornell Road and Cornelius Pass Road.”
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This must have been the area of DDS’ gardening volunteerism. Now why would any sane person think a middleaged single lady would suddenly turn riskily homicidal to a virtual 7 yo stranger in alliance with a woman she barely knew from years past at a gym?
All those June 5-13 emphases on devoting disproportional resources and time to beating the bushes in Cornelius Pass area were imo Stupid lay judgment, much less LE judgement.
How would it hurt the investigation if a member of the press foia’d from mcso documentation of search areas covered from June 4 to date, and resources allocated, then analysed it? I bet analysis would find location choices, frequency, intensity, and allocation of human resources have always been driven by mcso/da’s “theory of Terri.”
after all taxpayer $ funded all those searches
The school did not inform DY that Kyrons backpack and coat were found in his class- Terri did when she and Kaine got back to the school. The last time I heard her speak she referred to it as a call she received on the way to Portland. Susan Hall did not speak to DY again, to my knowledge.
B
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Thanks, B, I went back and listened again and I stand corrected. I see now it could have been the second call that she received while on the way to Portland. Though she does not say who it was who called her, nor does she say that was when it was mentioned that he had no coat. So, I guess you have more info on that subject. Anywho, I went ahead and transcribed a good part of this speech, so that we all have it for the future.
Picked this up @3:54 on the video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=psC8jMR02-4&feature=youtu.be
It was 4:24 when my cell phone rang. I looked at the caller ID and I noticed that it was Kyron’s school, which seemed odd to me, so I answered it right away. The next several minutes changed my life forever. The woman on the other end of the phone, identified herself as Susan, the school’s secretary, and my heart sank as I heard the words on the other end of the phone, “I have to notify you he’s missing.” I couldn’t even register or understand the words that she was saying. I truly thought it was a mistake. How could he be missing? I actually started to get mad. I just didn’t understand how this was possible. You see, earlier in the day, I had received several emails from Kyron’s step mom. She had taken him to the science fair that day and she had emailed me, to update me on how it went. So, I knew all was well. Or so I thought. Terri had also emailed me a few other times throughout the day about other plans we had for summer, and posting the photos from Facebook. So, I had no reason to think that Kyron was unaccounted for, or not at school for that matter. There was nothing about the day, that indicated to me what was about to happen. In fact, by the time I was getting the call, Kyron and my older son, Quinn, should have been just about ready to get in the car to come and meet me. So I just couldn’t understand why I was getting this call. As I asked the school secretary some questions, I became more encouraged to hear that the police were there and that they were following some sort of process and that I was to be notified. As I stood up from my desk, I realized that everyone in the building, was no very aware of the phone call I had just received. And they were realizing how bad it was too. As I said the words to my boss “they said Kyron is missing”, it all started to hit me, and I started to cry. I suddenly got the feeling that the world I once knew, had just been taken from me. It was gone. This moment was going to change all that I knew. Tony and I were able to meet at home and get on the road toward Portland in a matter of minutes. When I try to process something that’s too big, I just shut down. I don’t wanta’ talk, I don’t want hugs….I just want silence.
So that was how the drive went for the first three hours, and then the phone rang and broke the silence. I actually thought, in that moment, before I picked up the phone….this is it. This is the call. They’re going to tell us they found Kyron and our nightmare is going to be over. But, it wasn’t. As I hung up, I started to think about the fact that the sun was going down, and that Kyron didn’t have his coat, and he would get cold. I was also thinking, how in the world could she have had him, right in front of her, and suddenly he was gone? How does that happen?
Luckily my husband has coping skills, to focus during times of crisis. Knowing that I was two seconds away from losing it, he said to me in a calm voice, “Now honey, we have to stay focused on how we are going to help Kyron right now.” That was exactly what I needed at that moment. He talked me through it, without telling me to calm down or relax, but by refocusing me and my energy into thinking about what I was going to do to help them find Kyron, I was able to get through my worse fears of what was happening to Kyron….the unknown.
We got to Portland in record time. Although I was speeding slightly, I think would have understood had I have gotten pulled over. As we turned onto that final back road, we were just about to the school, and I saw the sign: Skyline Blvd. 500 Ft. I started to feel that feeling again. The world was sitting on my chest. I couldn’t breathe and I felt like I was going to throw up.
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Okay just thought I’d throw in some of the actual speech, there’s more about arriving there in Portland and what a splendid job MCSO has done, but the above is what I was interested in at this point.
Does anyone think it weird that she drove, instead of her husband? I think I would have been far too nervous to drive. Maybe just me.
Yes, I do.
B
O/T Calif. teacher’s aide thwarts attempted kidnapping of girl
http://www.oregonlive.com/education/index.ssf/2015/10/schools_shift_focus_to_behavio.html#incart_2box_
@Rose, great recap of the search areas. Doesn’t it sound like they thought Kyron DID walk(or run) away from the school? If no one saw him do that, then why on earth would they think that? Was there perhaps a sighting by someone in the hood that said they *thought* they saw Kyron that day? Blink has told us there were other children who resembled him, I wonder if that could have been the reason for all these searches around the neighborhood. Kyron was almost 8 years old, not a toddler. He wouldn’t have gotten lost in his own neighborhood, he could have walked straight home I’m sure, so what were they thinking? I’d still like to know how they think he got all the way to some horse farm in Banks, OR as well. The later August searches, I think those were based on someone sighting a White Ford F250 Pickup, of which there are who knows how many around there.
We don’t hear anything about how this part of the day fell through, if TH was supposed to pickup Q, or if his dad was supposed to drive him to the Horman house or who notified Q that his brother was missing. That had to be devastating to him as well. Who handled that? because it sounds like Q was at the ready to leave for Medford.
T. Ruth says:
October 19, 2015 at 1:30 pm
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In fact, by the time I was getting the call, Kyron and my older son, Quinn, should have been just about ready to get in the car to come and meet me.
I doubt my husband would have wanted to let me drive.
Still a what-if in my book.
What if, right after TMH left, some older kid (they were looking at others’ exhibits then, right?) took some kind of offense to the brilliance of Ky’s exhibit. (Let’s face it, it was an A+++, for a little 7 year old.) What if, said older kid, starter giving Kyron crap for having let *mommy* or *daddy* do his exhibit for him and teased him that there was no way he could have done such a great job all by himself? So anyway, what if, that is exactly what happened? What’s next? Kyron took off….? Took off running….? Heading home to safety?
With what Rose just posted, search wise, it almost sounds like this is what may have transpired, or at least maybe what LE *thought* may have transpired. Like LE was looking for a disgruntled kid, who may have just wanted to hide away in shame or least get away from the bullies. Would this scenario explain any of the actions taken?
We know he was happy that morning with his exhibit (photos).
We know G. Zimmerman said the same thing.
But this was all while TMH was present. What if, when she left he was confronted by some bully(s)?
His project is (as far as I know) still being held as evidence of some type. Did someone try to destroy or damage it, and hence Kyron took off? If this someone is a child, who meant no real harm, but his/her actions resulted in harm, because Kyron left the building and was abducted somewhere in the hood as a result of their inter-action that morning, could that explain anything?
Sheesh, LE needs to put out some info, because all scenarios are possible.
T. Ruth says:
October 18, 2015 at 12:57 pm
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Isn’t it possible that SZ is NOT the person Kyron left Matthews room with? Isn’t it possible that the person Kyron left Mattthews room with HAS been identified and has a rock solid alibi? (i.e., walked out with Kyron, got something from a vehicle, walked back in with Kyron following right behind, and then Kyron took off on his own?) Isn’t it possible that there is an entirely different SZ and that the person who asked Kyron for help has been cleared? Also, is it possible the person who asked Kyron for help, was actually setting up the abduction? IOW, he tells someone who is outside waiting near his vehicle, I’ll bring the kid outside to help me so that you’ll know which kid he is, and then boom, immediately thereafter, after the person who asked for Kyron’s assistance is back in and alibied, and Kyron is seen back inside, the other SZ comes in and snatches up Kyron.
This also would explain why LE was trying to find an unknown vehicle, or at least I think that’s what they were trying to do. OTOH, maybe the person who asked Kyron for help had nothing to do with his disappearance. (I know, just one more coincidence that got Kyron outside.) Whether or not this person that asked for Ky’s help had anything to do with Kyron’s disappearance, I believe there must be at least one more person that was involved that day, and that person was outside waiting in a vehicle. This is the only way I can explain no composite sketch released for an unidentified man who Matthews and others clearly saw.
I mean if everyone believes TMH had to have help, then how do we know someone else, SZ didn’t as well.
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@T.Ruth – I declare when I read this I got about half way through and realized I (personally) was listening to the voice of Perry Mason.
referring to MockingbirdSings says: October 18, 2015 at 11:53 pm
Rose says:
October 19, 2015 at 9:54 am
@mbs. regarding kyron being seen with a woman (Terri) at a truck, imo it came from child(ren) who had an erroneous sense of time because Blink has said he forgot things in the truck and went backoutside with terri to retrieve his bag & jacket earlier than their departure.
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Sorry – I should have linked my comment to T.Ruth earlier instead of leaving it general. I didn’t mean the Terri/white truck/going in and out comments we already had, I meant the idea that maybe the man we call SZ had an accomplice and maybe that accomplice was a woman waiting in a vehicle, and once “woman” was mentioned by adult and/or child, it was quickly assumed to be Terri “no description needed”.
I cannot see Kyron (in my mind) planning to run away, or wandering away. I can see him running away from someone(s) he was afraid of if he panicked and felt he couldn’t express himself to get help, or defend himself and Terri was gone. I doubt he had the stamina to run far and may have been more likely to hide, not knowing how to return without being in trouble. Or he may have tried to get home, thinking Terri was there. Not suggesting that’s what happened, just thinking more about what might have happened outside during that last maybe 5 to 10 minutes.
As far as something he wanted to talk about but couldn’t seem to do it, it could just as easily have involved another student as an adult.
From what I have gathered Kyron was seen walking on the sidewalk with TH and k and out by the truck. If I understand Blink, this happened pre-8:45 am, but DY thinks this is the point of abduction. Then, post 9 am Kyron leaves with a male from EM’s room. We also have TP’s account that he saw Kyron on the stairway which seems to suggest it was after TH left. Again, if I understand Blink correctly, Kyron never made it back to his class after his photo op in front of the project.
If I am right, then Kyron, TH and k got to school and went to his classroom. They either toured the SF and then went back to the truck because they forgot something, or did that in reverse. I tend to think they toured first and went to the truck later because it would add more confusion to his timeline.
TH says bye at the stairwell and figured he was going into Porter’s room, but instead, he goes down the stairs to see the electric projects and ends up in EM’s room. At that time he is somewhere he is not supposed to be at that time and perhaps that is the reason EM gave the okay, because she assumed something about the situation, that he belonged.
I doesn’t make sense for SZ to send him down to a room with a teacher who he would then have to ask permission for Kyron to leave with him. Kyron seems to have gone back to EM’s room on his own volition, IMO. So SZ took the opportunity.
If Kyron was targeted, then SZ might have made several attempts in the time leading up to the abduction to be successful in abducting him. If Kyron was in the wrong place at the wrong time, how did SZ know he had stayed? Did SZ know where he did belong, and therefore knew he was vulnerable? How did SZ know when EM did know?
erose- TH, Ky and Kiara turned around at about the front entrance when they realized Kyron forgot his backpack in the truck. This is the impetus for DY comments about them “leaving”. They never crested the doorway until they returned to the truck, retrieved the backpack, headed to Kyron’s classroom, hung up his jacket and backpack and toured the SF, ensuing pics, etc. Further evidence of this is the fact that Kyron’s jacket and backpack were hanging in his classroom still when it was discovered he was missing.
This is just a personal aside of mine, however, I give children witnesses interviewed immediately a great deal of credence when assessing the weight of their interviews, generally. It is noteworthy for me TP was quoted as expressing concern for Kyron’s whereabouts- in my view that meant he saw him prior to the class organization of groups with chaperones at a minimum. Then his Gram gives an interview against the advice of the FBI which considering some of the substance abuse issue surrounding the family and the current parent status of his Mom at the time was really opening them up to scrutiny most people in that situation would avoid. I have always wondered why.
To the point of DY indicating the spot on the sidewalk where they where Kyron was last seen- iirc, she was standing by the steps leading to the field outside the classrooms where Kyron was seen exiting with SZ. The path taken by TH Kiara and Ky from the school to retrieve the backpack was straight down the front steps to the road shoulder where TH was parked. The best descriptor of DY discussing the SZ potential/interaction was on Dr. Phil where she said something like Ky would never have gotten in a vehicle with a stranger within 30 ft of the school, and in another edited interview segment she went into great detail about him not being able to see within a few pavement segments in the front of his house without his glasses and would not venture past or words to that effect. I have always wondered how she knew that – why wouldn’t he have been wearing his glasses? That sounds more to me like I have always believed- evidence of his glasses or what may have been his glasses were found- or planted to be found.
As incredibly busy as I am, and I willfully admit I haven taken on more than I can prolly chew in an unrealistic timeline to meet my achievement goals, I am going to take a moment today just for Kyron and ask the Universe what the plan is for our wee man. It has worked in other cases- why not for him?
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@TRuth, Thank you for typing the transcript. Thankless jobs deserve thanks.
correction: I stated Kyron “went back” to EM’s room and I should have omitted the word back. Also, he might have gone back to Porter’s room if he retrieved something he didn’t want to carry around (books, coat?).
@TRuth. TYou for transcript. re driving, Imo we’ve underestimated DY is as much a control freak as Kaine and would drive for that reason (to maintain a sense of control). That’s why imo wrt Kyron Terri had a relationship with DY where she kowtowed to DY, constantly feeding her wmails etc. That communication has been viewed as indicative of Terri’s personality, but I think perhaps was driven by the need to keep DY from pitching temper tantrums at her all the time by anything to do with Kyron. It is striking how much in daily life this mother of 3 kowtowed to the tempers of both Kaine & Desiree.
I suspect Kyron was bullied at school by a middle school group, and maybe felt more vulnerable after his brother moved out. But I don’t think any theoretical bullying that morning was over the project It was confined to his classroom, a classroom which was likely not high on older kids’ touring hit parade. They’d be hanging out in the gym. And, Kyron chose to hang out with younger kids–the baby room, maybe it was even his old classroom. Mathews’ rooms seems to be the first and last room he “toured,” and it had little kids. I think he’d expressed unhappiness over going to Medford when James was arriving; why else would Kaine mention the wii and ice cream and special time when Kyron was needing to hit the road for a tiring 5 hour drive? (Those 10 hr weekend drives, away from his HS teen social group, could’ve been a good reason for Quinn’s opting to move to Medford. I wonder if he’d stayed with McCullough if he woukd’ve gone to college rather than a community college trade school?)
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Staton said on Wednesday how far “a man” coukd walk, not how far a 7 yo or child could walk.
And I think they had to do a radius of the school under either a walk away or abduction scenario.
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What struck me was how very very slow mcso’s sar leadership/planning team to Complete/Finish that 2 mike radius. Imo that is because resources–personnel, time–were devoted to repeatedly searching Cornel & Cornelius Pass areas. On Sunday June 6 the backbone of mcso sar apparently spent the entire day on a single private property “on Cornelius Pass.” To me that was Terri’s reported driving route and from June 5 was driven by “Terri theory” for months. To me that was FBI profiler and Young driven. Where was Terri most likely to go in her time frame? To me they shoukd have devoted every search priority June 5-9 to the school radius, then moved out in a larger uniform radius to the region an organized opportunistic sexual abductir statistically woukd discard. (Is that 10 mi?) with the FBI begavioral DC based unit (Quantico) evaluating most likely topographical sites. Terri’s driving route on 30 was mcso’s diversionary millstone. I keep in mind mcso sar seems primarily a teen-staffed group led by a river patrol man, and all those mcso deputies deployed to search were imo not usually on search duty. This LE organization had clueless leadership for this abduction search imo. Staton was going into battle without the right troops.
Iirc Herron the Union Prez was river patrol yet he was also SAR In Charge. Later, post- O’Donnell, didn’t he get placed in charge of the Kyron deputy team? He had every reason in late August and so on
to cover up for himself & his union deputy colleagues that those intensive searches June 5 ff in 2010 were deeply flawed (imo) in planning and execution to avert County commissioner hearings on mcso’s misuse of resources and taxpayer money– it’s far more than the overtime, it’s the search and investigation strategy and execution. In fact the Commissioners needed a special ad hoc subcommittee with a staff director just to look at that issue which coukd issue recommendations as to mcso’s organization & use of resources, both strengths and weaknesses. institutionally Staton needed to cover up too what I posit was the misuse of sar resources based on Terri theory. Local journalists shoukd have fioaed the heck out of mcso on daily search locations and personnel devoted on June 5 2010 & for an 18 month period and analyzed.
It should be noted that at the time, Olsen (OT Queen) was the registered agent for the SAR arm of MCSO and Herron was ( and is) the president. In my view if they are paid by both entities we had some double dipping going on. Add in whatever donations were earmarked for the effort and at a minimum, some accounting to the public is in order that would not fall under “exempt”.
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@erose. To me it is instructive that the mcculloughs never jumped on the Terri did it bandwagon and
maintained public silence. I would have found it unwise to let my son move to Medford for Sr Yr, but at that age if a child and birth mother are determined, what could parents do but let him go? for any teen to opt out of his HS in his Sr year is highly unusual imo.
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Forest Grove middle school teacher accused of prostitution, meth possession
http://www.oregonlive.com/forest-grove/index.ssf/2015/08/forest_grove_middle_school_tea_1.html
A Forest Grove middle school teacher was arrested on prostitution and methamphetamine possession allegations in Portland last week – the second time he’s faced criminal charges this summer, according to court records.
A Portland police officer pulled over a car near Southeast 139th Avenue and Division Street on a traffic violation early Friday morning, court records say. The officer found 50-year-old Mike T. Maraia, a math teacher, driving the car with a younger woman also inside, according to a probable cause affidavit filed in Multnomah County Circuit Court.
The officer suspected that Maraia, who lives in Aloha, was involved in prostitution. Maraia told the officer that he had planned to pay the woman $80 to have sex with her, the affidavit says.
Maraia also told police he planned to smoke methamphetamine and marijuana with the woman and had meth in the car, the affidavit says.
During a search, the officer found 3.1 grams of suspected meth and a meth pipe inside a Crown Royal bag, according to the affidavit. Maraia was taken into custody and booked into the Multnomah County Jail.
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Somebody wanna tell me how he gets clipped in May and he is teaching in September/October? Wonder what ADA swung that deal. This man is in constant contact with CHILDREN!!
There has GOT to be amendments to certain laws, or disqualifiers from pleas for people in positions of public trust- I am convinced of that.
B
looking back, I think Staton is a decent person burdened with a difficult situation.
and…he should’ve come clean about institutional issues.
Agreed.
B
T. Ruth says:
October 19, 2015 at 1:30 pm
Does anyone think it weird that she drove, instead of her husband?
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I find that very strange. I envisioned all this time that it was TY driving with DY a mess in the passenger side. Hmm. That seems significant somehow. It could be she was more angry than panicked. Some people become hyper-focused when angry and maybe this was going to be the match to the fire (as in her anger at KH and TH) and she could let loose on both of them. Would that not make sense given what we’ve seen for the past 5+ years? Her anger would override the very serious situation regarding Ky and the focus becomes this strange triangle (KH, TH, DY) instead of on Ky?
I also wonder why TY would have let her drive and so it suggests something, to me, about their relationship and possibly what she’s like when angry.
This is a great photo for looking at what Ky might look like now as far as facial features.
Shows both of his facial moles (one directly under his glasses, right side of nostril indentation, and another right about mid-ear on the same side further back). Also as anyone can see here, that without some sort of dental work (braces, most likely) his teeth would not have grown in very straight. His two front teeth were headed for a collision. JMO
https://www.facebook.com/missingkyronhorman/photos/pb.125336750831264.-2207520000.1445395451./1048880141810249/?type=3&theater
Just a thought….could both of the Young’s driven separately to Portland?
I like your idea Blink of taking a moment to ask the Universe about Kyron so I will also take a moment today to ask. You just never know when and where an answer will be found.