Kyron Horman Missing Case: Terri Horman Breaks Her Silence In People Magazine Interview
New York, NY- For nearly five and a half years Terri Horman has refused to speak publicly about her step-sons case. Outside of one assertion of her innocence while on the stand in a name change hearing she ultimately was denied, Horman did not speak to any reporters or answer any of their questions regarding Kyron Hormans disappearance. Until Now.
Horman courtesy of People
Horman was interviewed by People Magazines Elaine Aradillas for both the print and online editions, and will be doing a series of personal interviews over the next week, to include wwww.blinkoncrime.com.
In the brief online video excerpt , the second part to air on ABC’s Good Morning America Friday morning, Horman maintains she is deaf in her left ear, a critical factor in the outcome of her first polygraph.
“… At what point are Kyron’s biological parents going to realize I don’t have the answers, they need to change this thing around…”
“…There is so much the public is not being told about this investigation, that’s why I am doing this- nobody is looking for Kyron…”
Horman’s interview drew sharp reactions from Kaine Horman and Desiree Young, Kyron’s parents.
“…Why is she silent for 5 1/2 years if she is innocent. I want her to tell me where Kyron is. If she is innocent she should call Multnomah County Sheriffs Office and sit down for an interview…”- Desiree Young
“Hi friends. Yes I am well aware of the tabloid journalism piece in the media today. FYI – there will be more of the same coming Friday
We have a HOST of MCSO and FBI investigators STILL standing by with interviews and polygraphs when someone actually wants to cooperate. FEEL FREE TO STOP BY THEY ARE WAITING!! STILL!! Until then we’ll stick with the scores of people with valid/accurate information and the failed polygraphs as the only actual actions taken to-date. To all of you: how about not linking the article/interview?
REMEMBER KYRON?!?!? This is what we need to be focused on!!
Love you Kyron!!” – Kaine Horman post on his Facebook Page
Christina Stoy, www.blinkoncrime.com Editor In Chief was able to confirm with Ms. Horman directly that she has been willing to meet with Kyron’s investigators both previously and in the future with the sole provision that it be conducted in the presence of her Attorney, Portland criminal defense lawyer Stephen Houze.
Horman went on to say that investigators with the Multnomah County Sheriff’s Office have been well aware of “that” over the last five and a half years and they have never requested an interview. Um, What?
Horman reveals some shocking details about the subsequent polygraphs examinations referenced by Kaine Horman and Desiree Young and other allegations of improper tactics on behalf of MCSO in the second half of her interview to air tomorrow morning on abc’s GMA and on Nightline.
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Truth, No PPB Cold Case not involved with Kyron’s uncold case to my knowledge, but Underhill and Moawad were on this unit in 2009 and they were involved in Kyron’s case. I found it interesting to see who was in their clique pre-Kyron’s case and where everyone subsequently went. I did the same for 2009 ROCN Task Force even though I don’t see any of the names made public wrt Kyron’s case, I personally think with all those agencies involved in Kyron’s case, many came from the ROCN. (For example, a deputy from Gresham also on terror task force could be described as Gresham PD and Homeland Security were on the scene, even though it’s the same guy.) Just a thought.
MBS, The Weatheroy’s seem like an exemplary family of public servants. Wish the Kyron case investigators would take note of this quote from Paul,
“No one person. No one group. No one culture has ever been able to make any progress on any major issue by themselves,” he said. “It’s all of us coming together is how we move the needle.”
And I hope Underhill gives Weatheroy, his old homicide and cold case partner, “Terri’s case” so maybe she can be investigated and either cleared or arrested.
snip> The 52-year-old lieutenant plans to travel and play golf, but then go to work in early July as the lead investigator and a manager in the Multnomah County District Attorney’s Office.
http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2015/05/portland_police_lt_paul_weathe.html
wrt to flier..pic & truck, we might look to see which LE agency this was characteristic of in mid2010?
had mcso done it routinely wrt wanted suspects becore?
the dea?
the ROCN?
the mcsa?
the fbi?
East Cty Major Crimes team?
When we know what local le organization this suspect flier was typical of,
we’ll know more of which one ignored evidence to just get a perp convicted
and targeted Terri.
what agency was really in charge at that time wrt strategy.
@srose. His portfolio appears to be victim liaison, victim services
http://mcda.us/index.php/news/chief-investigatormanager-paul-weatheroy/
Rose, Bumping the original comment. Looking for a retired lead investigator on Kyron’s case. TRuth also linked Gossan being cited as the lead invesigator on Kyron’s case for a short time, but he has not retired.
Romanaggi caught my eye as director of ROCN task force because he showed on the payroll for only 2011 and name tied to Skyline PE teacher, but he isn’t retired either.
After reading about the Weatheroy retirement and his plans to be lead investigator for MCDA’s office, I wonder if the cousin was the lead investigator for MCDA’s office instead of MCSO. Wonder who Weatheroy replaced in 2015, perhaps the person who replaced retiree cousin.
T. Ruth says:
February 10, 2016 at 2:02 pm
http://www.kptv.com/story/31013062/kaine-horman-investigators-still-waiting-to-talk-to-kyrons-stepmom
Interesting comment (don’t know if it’s true):
(more @ link)
Wendy Denton Hilger · Battle Ground, Washington
Stanley E. Duyck How do you know what questions were asked?
Like · Reply · Jan 21, 2016 10:40pm
Stanley E. Duyck · Hillsboro High School
Wendy Denton Hilger my coucin was lead detective on the case before he retired
Like · Reply · Jan 22, 2016 4:10am
I have to say I think it is incredibly interesting as I am going through this process the amount of insiders that believed after prolly weeks 2-3 that Terri was absolutely not a suspect and should be eliminated as one. That hot mess sting led some to “dig in” out of fear and some to ask to be reassigned. Staton lost confidence in the investigation because it was proper.
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http://blinkoncrime.com/2016/01/21/kyron-horman-missing-case-terri-horman-breaks-her-silence-in-people-magazine-interview/comment-page-16/#comments
erose says:
February 20, 2016 at 10:16 pm
erose says:
MBS, The Weatheroy’s seem like an exemplary family of public servants. Wish the Kyron case investigators would take note of this quote from Paul,
“No one person. No one group. No one culture has ever been able to make any progress on any major issue by themselves,” he said. “It’s all of us coming together is how we move the needle.”
And I hope Underhill gives Weatheroy, his old homicide and cold case partner, “Terri’s case” so maybe she can be investigated and either cleared or arrested.
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@erose – the thing about people with integrity, as you likely know, is that people talk to them. Even people who themselves can’t be trusted, know they can trust people of integrity. So many gang-related crimes (juvenile and adult) that I personally know of have been solved or remained unsolved based on whether the community members trusted the investigators and felt safe talking to them. It takes decades to build that kind of trust. To me, the perseverance, integrity, and dedication of these people, regardless of the branch of LE they work in, moves them right into the “hero category.”
Not sure about the 1st flyer, but my bet on the 2nd flyer is it came from MCDA. Underhill was all over that August 2010 press conference and O’Donnell is the MCSO face, and if that is when they got the GJ NTB either on the abduction of Kyron or the MFH, I think at the GJ commencement the ball had been passed or taken from MCSO to the MCDA office. After that they’ve been playing “hot potato.”
1st flier
Capt. Jason Gates of the Multnomah County Sheriff’s Office answers questions about a flier the department released today asking anyone if they saw Kyron Horman’s stepmother or a white pickup the day the second-grader disappeared from Skyline School.
http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/06/police_issue_questionnaire_ask.html
2nd Flyer
Chief Deputy District Attorney Rod Underhill addresses the media this morning during a news conference at the Brooks Hill Church, across the street from Skyline School. Det. Bob O’Donnell, left, and Underhill, discussed the Kyron Horman case and their efforts to find people who may have seen Kaine Horman’s white Ford F250 pickup truck on the morning of June 4.
http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/08/kyron_horman_case_investigator.html
At least one witness told police he or she saw a second adult waiting in Terri’s truck while she was with Kyron at his school science fair the morning of June 4.
According to Multnomah County Chief Deputy District Attorney Rod Underhill, a witness or witnesses gave police information about “a person or persons” at Skyline School, Fred Meyer department stores in the tows Beaverton, Ore., and Hillsboro, Ore., as well as on various area roads. Adds Underhill: “We’re looking for additional witnesses.”
Although Underhill stopped short of identifying those persons as Terri and Spicher, investigators distributed a new, two-page flier that includes photos of the women and Terri’s truck, and asks for sightings in the area on June 4.
http://www.people.com/people/article/0,,20409614,00.html
You know I read that and every time I think- did it ever occur to anyone there was more than one white pickup- I mean the footage of Stensen being interviewed in HIS WHITE PICKUP where he confirms TH (nor anyone else) could have been parked on the access road during the time in question..
Now, I realize his county pickup was different, but who really thinks retroactive memory-based accounts differentiate? I am aware TH actually cooperated with and agreed to the release of the flyer in LE’s efforts to clear her.
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Wonder how many they employ.
District Attorney Investigator
Multnomah County, Oregon
Portland, OR
11/29/2015
Overview The Multnomah County District Attorney’s Office is currently accepting applications for a District Attorney Investigator. The Multnomah County District..
http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:ZKpUHu2o6hgJ:jobs.monster.com/v-legal-q-list-of-criminal-justice-jobs-l-tualatin,-or.aspx+&cd=14&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us
Mult Co 04/11/??
[partial job description]
This may include conducting fact finding; collecting and preserving evidence according to the rules of evidence, examining records, courtroom testimony, and writing detailed investigative reports. This position also investigates complex cases; serves subpoenas and other legal actions; obtains documentation to support prosecutions; locates, interviews and prepares witnesses, suspects, and others with knowledge about a case; prepares court exhibits; prepares support enforcement cases for trial, both criminal and civil; checks cases to determine need for further investigation; performs field surveillance and photographs/documents assets; locates non-custodial and custodial parents using skip tracking techniques, database and web-based resources and other investigative tools; develops and maintains liaison with local, state, and federal law enforcement and social service agencies. May require some evening work. Applicants with demonstrated investigative experience who want to be part of an outstanding prosecuting attorney’s office are encouraged to apply.
http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:IiVfoXasEZoJ:www.pookie.io/job-details/a7dab4a2c41127b1+&cd=26&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us
Apologies if my research is pedestrian. I am learning the obvious.
Investigations Unit
Chief Investigator Kelly Krohn oversees a staff of 10 full-time
investigators. The Investigations Team is a critical part of every
successful prosecution – working on such tasks as locating
missing witnesses, reviewing voluminous paper, photographic,
forensic, and digital evidence, creating trial exhibits, interviewing
witnesses and writing reports.
Not at all, I am sure many readers are benefiting from knowledge of the process. In the field I can tell you the role is changing with the ability to use cloud-based tech for eDiscovery in trial prep- both sides.
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http://mcda.us/wp-content/uploads/2014/12/dareport2013-14.pdf
Not sure if he retired, by Chief Investigator for the DA, Michael Larson is not on staff after 2011. Could he have left during/because of Kyron’s case?
http://www.bizjournals.com/portland/datacenter/multnomah-county-employee-pay.html?cb=ResetParams=1
You know what is really bizarre- I expressly recall the DA and DA assets claiming OT in the first months (WW) and according to this- they are not entitled to it as FTE’s. Is there some sort of slush fund for emergency Schrunk could use? Because otherwise, as I said at the time- I have never heard of any DA staff subject to OT as FTE employees.
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Where is RSE Today Was he ever deported. Or is he still doing landscaping in the area
Still in biz, and to my knowledge he was granted some sort of agreement not to be deported.
B
erose
I would be willing to bet that most of the people living in a city do not have a clue as to the activities that a city or county District Attorney may be doing to progress cases of all types. The linked report names the people and what they are tasked to do.
The advent of small computer technology (this includes smart phones) has made case management much more comprehensive than was formerly possible. This technology is being used by the entire criminal and civil justice systems all across the country.
“In the cloud” simply means that data are transmitted over the internet to a contract or owned data center for storage. These data centers are located around the world. In the U.S.A., the big data centers are owned by Apple, Microsoft, Google and Amazon. Some of the telcos like AT&T and Verizon also operate data centers.
A data center is comprised of thousands of “Blade Servers” that are rack mounted in groups. A blade server is comprised of a very fast and large capacity disk drive, a CPU to control the server and manage I/O and backup to another data center located in a different community or in a different country.
File management of civil and criminal cases is critical to getting good outcomes. This at one time was done by the paper method.
There are firms that contract this type of service to government agencies at every level. Under these contracts, the paper documents are scanned and organized. Scanning just provides an image file. If text is scanned, another step is required to create readable characters. That is known as OCR-Optical Character Recognition. Then another step is usually taken to index the content. This allows the data to be found very quickly. There may also be a reference in the index content to an actual paper document and its physical location.
The advances in computer hardware, software and communications over the past thirty-five years has made all of this possible. One of the major problems in government is training people to effectively use the technology.
In the case of the iphone having a ten try attempts at the password and then the data is destroyed. The software has a down counter that begins at ten and ends at zero. When zero is reached, there is an unconditional jump to a destruct routine that destroys the data.
To make it possible to have infinite tries at the password, Apple would have to modify the code to completely by-pass the down counter.
thus far, O has not regurgitated WA’s Friday Staton story (Lamb, Ritchie).
Seems like all disgrunted mcso personnel and/or their lawyers turn to WW and
avoid the Oregonian.
erose, I can’t find who held that position of Chief Investigator for the DA’s office prior to Kelly Krohn. Krohn, from what I can see was still working as a PPB Police sergeant in 2011. So was that position newly created when Underhill took over from Schrunk? And if so, who did the investigations for the DA’s office prior, or was the department called something else? As far as I can tell, the only chief investigator I can find when Kyron when missing and for his case was Bobby O’Donnell.
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“There’s never been an investigation like this before in the county,” says Scott Marcy with the DA’s office, explaining that the prosecutors’ work begins long before a case goes to trial. “In an investigation like this, when we’re trying to put together a potential prosecution, we not only look at who may have committed a crime, but we have to eliminate all the folks who didn’t,” says Marcy.
http://www.portlandmercury.com/BlogtownPDX/archives/2010/07/19/sheriff-da-to-ask-county-to-spend-another-438000-on-kyron-horman-investigation
Makes me wonder if the Horman case begat the separate DA’s office investigative team.
Which is weird anyway (even though Underhill says Oddonnell lead investigator for first 18 mos- he wasn’t, Gosson was at least for the first several months unless Underhill was just differentiating “Suprvsr” v lead- that is a possibility. Am I nuts remembering something appeared for individual members of the DA team for OT- I want to say Underhill around $10K?
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riverpearl says:
September 16, 2010 at 11:11 am
Looks like ‘we’ missed a ‘dot’~
July 23, 2010 Sheriff Staton answered Qs via e-mail.
Q:How many investigators are still dedicated to this case and what are they doing on a daily basis?
A:A significant investigative team composed of DA Office,
East County Major Crime’s Team **
and other local, state and federal agencies are involved in this case. The numbers varies daily, based on investigative needs.
**East County Major Crime’s Team was Not included with the Q&A LIST of LE agencies**
Q:Can we have the list of law enforcement agencies that have assisted in the Kyron Horman investigation?
A:Gresham Police, Fairview Police, Troutdale Police, Portland Police, Port of Portland Police, Clackamas County Sheriff’s Office, Clackamas County DA MCT, Multnomah County DA’s investigators, Washington County District Attorney’s Office, Washington County Sheriff’s Office, Gladstone Police, Oregon City Police, Milwaukie Police, Canby Police, Lake Oswego Police, West Linn Police, Vancouver Police, Hillsboro Police, Beaverton Police, FBI, DEA, ICE, Secret Service, DOD Defense Criminal Investigative Services, Oregon DOJ, Oregon State Police.
__________________________________________
The Troutdale Police Department also participates in several inter-agency teams providing services to all of East County. These teams include partnerships with the Gresham and Fairview Police Departments and the Multnomah County Sheriff’s Office. They are staffed by patrol officers and/or investigators. When they are called out, they respond directly to the scene along with the other team members from partnering departments. The teams are comprised of the following:
MAJOR CRIMES TEAM: The team with the longest history is the Major Crimes Team (MCT). This team is comprised of investigators from the participating agencies. They provide resources each time there is a homicide, attempted homicide, serious physical assault, sexual assault or missing children. Both of our current investigators participate on MCT.
http://www.ci.troutdale.or.us/documents/champion/200609-10.pdf
East Multnomah County Major Crime Team (EMCMCT):
An interagency unit that includes detectives from:
Oregon State Pokice (OSP), Multnomah County Sheriff Office (MCSO) and Gresham, Fairview and Troutdale police departments.
_______________________________________
MCSO
The Special Investigations Unit performs investigations of illegal drug activity within the greater Portland metropolitan area. The Special Investigations Team performs raids, street-level undercover operations, and gathers evidence in civil forfeiture cases. The Special Investigations Unit is composed of deputies from Multnomah County, officers from the Gresham Police and Troutdale Police departments, as well as an investigative technician.
**Sheriff Staton mentioned this Unit during 09/15 presser being involved, too.
http://blinkoncrime.com/2010/09/09/kyron-horman-missing-case-review-and-birthday-wishes-to-the-frog-prince/comment-page-13/
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I’m confused as to just who were the DA’s office investigators in 2010? Was it simply the ECMCT? Were they reporting directly to Schrunk or to Staton or just who? Is it possible we were at the beginning of seeing a case where an entity was investigating itself, so Underhill created a new Department of Investigations when he took over that would be independent from MCSO and ECMCT, etc.?
@Rose,
Where are you finding a connection between Duyck and Romanaggi?
erose, who is Michael Larson? I can’t get that name to come up on that page.
TRuth, Looks like the DA Investigator/Chief before Krohn. Hope this link works, if not you can search the MCDA for job title “D A Investigator” and it should pop up.
Year 2011
Name Michael Larson
Job Title D A Investigator/Chief
Department DA – Felony Court
Current Hire Date 5/27/2003
Total Pay $78,226
Bargaining Unit Exec Employee
Status FT Salaried no OT
Employee group Reg – Non-Represent
Personnel Number 9018
http://www.bizjournals.com/portland/datacenter/multnomah-county-employee-pay.html?cb=ResetParams=1&appSession=29347739830624773674005643370703423667063794743776442366362380693070376117349378323457754430666332120577370336397884199384775481&RecordID=313&PageID=8&PrevPageID=2&cpipage=1&CPIsortType=&CPIorderBy=&cbCurrentRecordPosition=1&Mod0LinkToDetails=True
Thanks erose, wouldn’t work for me. So, Larson was lead investigator during the first years of the Horman case. Wonder where he went off to and why?
Child porn, written plans to abuse kids seized from Oregon City teaching aide’s home, police say
An Oregon City School District teaching aide for developmentally disabled children was arrested this week after federal agents say they found evidence at his home that he had sexually abused at least one child and had detailed plans to abuse others.
James I. McGlothlin, 39, was booked Friday into the Multnomah County Jail on suspicion of production of child pornography. He will be arraigned Monday in U.S. District Court in Portland. He is listed on the Oregon City School District’s website as an adapted physical education instructional assistant.
(snipped, more @link)
http://www.oregonlive.com/oregon-city/index.ssf/2016/02/child_porn_written_plans_to_ab.html#incart_most-read_special_article
Glad they caught this creep before he acted out on his next plans. Sick Frr.
Print
Results for “Larson” in Multnomah County
Name,
Title,
Department
Base pay
Bonuses
Premium pay
Overtime
Total salary
Michael J Larson
D A INVESTIGATOR/CHIEF
DA – Felony Court
Multnomah County $72,979.20 $0.00 $0.00 $0.00 $72,979.2
http://www.oregonlive.com/special/index.ssf/2009/01/salary_results.html?search=Larson&jurisdiction=Multnomah+County&min=&max=&sortby=total&dir=desc&s=&np=
This was from 2009, so yes, looks like Larson would have been chief investigator for the DA’s office during Ky’s disappearance and I believe he would have reported to Frink. I think Rees now heads the Felony court unit, so replaced Frink?
Yes.
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Friday’s arrest is the result of an ongoing investigation by the Interagency Child Exploitation Prevention Task Force (INTERCEPT), which includes U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement’s (ICE) Homeland Security Investigations (HSI), the sheriff’s departments of Clackamas and Multnomah counties; and the Oregon State Police. Additionally, the Digital Evidence Cybercrime Unit (DECU), made up of investigators from the Vancouver Police Department and the Clark County Sheriff’s Office, has provided substantial assistance with the case.
https://flashalert.net/news.html?id=624
giving credit where it is due.
Using a wild card *investigator here brings up what I guess is all the DA investigators who were working in 2009.
http://www.oregonlive.com/special/index.ssf/2009/01/salary_results.html?search=*investiga*&jurisdiction=Multnomah+County&min=&max=&sortby=total&dir=desc&s=0&np=2
So I wonder if that is where MCSO is hiring contractors or outside agencies for “investigative tech” services?
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In looking at that list I see a Gary Boek also listed as Investigator Chief for the DA Felony court. So, did Boek leave in 2009 and was replaced by Larson?
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from 2014:
http://www.oregonlive.com/clackamascounty/index.ssf/2014/10/after_15_years_family_still_ho.html
Sgt. Nate Thompson, sheriff’s office spokesman, said a retired Portland Police Bureau investigator, Michael Larson, has volunteered his time to review the cold case.
(Is the same Michael Larson who went to work for the DA? Now retired?)
Back to Quizzical’s schedule: Retired same year as Frink, 2011.
LARSON, MICHAEL J $783 2011-09-01 Tier Two 92 Full Formula $76,256 $9,399
http://gov.oregonlive.com/pers/browse/
We may need a full score card on what looks like it could be a mass exodus, or it could just be political I suppose.
B
Yes individual members of DA team git OT.
Iirc I put that link here within last2 weeks.
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TRuth. no connection. Because erose discussed Frank R & his sister in law, I misremembered the commenter was in his family system, essentially why I asked erose to correct me as to commenter’s name.
All I know is I linked Shrunk asked for a budget addendum for 2010-11 to add a new ADA position and a new investigator to share the load this case put on his office. Can’t remember what month in 2010 he made the request.
8/17/2002 Mike Larson was aDet with PPB
http://www.portlandoregon.gov/police/pbnotify.cfm?action=List&srec=283&sortby=subject&sortord=ASC&groupby=date
Seem to retire from PPB to DA’s.
After DA I remember a couple I looked up went to corporations.
Blink, I think this is the article you referenced. DA Investigators (on O/T) include Larson (Chief), Thompson and Krohn (present Chief). Underhill, Frink, Moawad, Rees, Woods and Demer all collect some O/T.
http://www.wweek.com/portland/blog-980-kyron_horman_update_das_expenses_mount_in_search_f.html
Thank you erose. I remain unclear, lol. To me, that appears to be an allotment of regular hours. In other words- in a 40 hour FTE workweek- 120 hours would signify 21 work days. ( This shows 100 at day 19 as an example). Is the inference that those hours exclude billable hours on other cases?
As I work with prosecution staff and have interned similarly- I am not familiar with this distributive accounting of OT that is exempt from OT.
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See the Phil Sanford comment about 7 down
http://bojack.org/2012/12/mike_schrunck_gets_the_saint_h.html
are we looking at a father’s steroid use or dirty LE
wrt the failed investigation coverup? I vote latter.
My take is when competent PPB detectives retired, Shrunk et al hired them if he could for a second high five retirement. (One gets original pension and 5 years more with another govt agency gets another pension–a reason many early retirees flocked to TSA.) So I would expect to see most of these retired PPB DA investigators retire in 5 or a bit more years. Then one goes on to private corps if one is young enough.
I know a White House top of finance, then OMB, go to a VA State college CFO for example. Or take Rahm Emanuel WH who went on to Chicago govt. Some aspire higher. Some are lowly FBI cogwheels retiring at 50. Some are PPB Det. headed to DA investigator.
boiled down. Larson = no mass exodus, no case relation.
just finished his high five in a second govt agency if not a bit more.
If you look at the actual o/t hrs., Krohn logged the most investigative hrs. in the first three weeks.
Right. Gonna be honest- that is the largest chunk of DA hours before it has been determined a crime was ever even committed, I have ever seen, overall. And she reported to Larson. Keep in mind- no crime scene and the FBI was on the ground by 2AM June 5. If a DA investigator is on scene, or interviewing witnesses prior to warrants, or prior to establishing DA necessary involvement- I have a pocket edition of F.R.E. they could borrow.
Not because I am a proponent of carrying actual books vs. cloud and online methods- but I have been in many Fed proceedings where brandishing a pad or iphone will land one’s electronics with the JA or bailiff like your primary schools gum jar. Not even kidding
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Blink, You’re right. Those hourly wages are calculated as straight time, not time and a half, so unlike MCSO with their o/t, I think the DA’s office was just stating hours spent on the case and the cost.
Just my soft voice here- but is it lost on anyone when you have folks earning more than DA’s and Judges and say- their own sheriff- it is the Tony Montanja petrie dish?
B
I was shocked at the salary of those top local govt pi’s
put that 5 yr pension with the ppb pension and that’s motivation for scraping and bowing
to the taskmasters
@erose. I never got that mcso doobie’s kyron mega OT was time and a half.
that’s absurd.
when i was with govt one got comp time.
so did the attys.
Well I think a lot of early OT like Krohn’s the result of unfortunately lightly-supervised chickens running around with their heads off. no clue as to what had or was transpiring, but making busy-busy such that their personas and job positions appeared NECESSARY.
re appledom: Lucid techie on some talk show today said the issue is not back door, as fbi stipulated phone woukd stay in Apple’s control, & the fix didn’t require universal software; but, the problem Apple faces is if they do this recovery once, specific recurrances are anticipated, particularly from China. he said both sides are being disingenuous.
maybe this sheds light
https://multco.us/file/31508/download
havent looked at it yet
after a 1 min glance at this
https://multco.us/file/31508/download
I am stepping back
this is 2013, & it is clear Amanda Lamb must have been hired to do the hours/corrections dogging
that this County audit report called for wrt mcso.
YET her Supv Shea tasked her as her first priority looking at the use of force on blacks in jails?
That assignment was out of left field, given what County auditors/commissioners had overtly tasked Staton mcso with. And there was that longtime mcso employee/supervisee of Shea’s who alleged when she arrived, from the git go she passive aggressively, and aggressively, worked to drive him from his job.
I suggest this assigning of Lamb’s first audit to be use of force on blacks, rather than deal with corrections OT as the County audit called for which was likely the event that triggered hiring Lamb, reflected Shea’s disgruntlement with Staton, an intent to discredit him publically, and a pretext for heroic resignation.
Bottom line: who can believe anything about mcso or County organs? and some folks reporting to Jacquiss have axes to grind.
Anyway, Lamb now works fir County audit, so mcso will see her again.
Oct 2010
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Multnomah County Sheriff Dan Staton is returning to the board of commissioners Thursday to ask for $209,656 to cover the first three months of overtime stemming from the Kyron Horman investigation, and for temporary funding of an investigative technician.
The overtime funding covers a lead investigator, two detectives and the salary of a one-year investigative technician assigned to the criminal investigation, county records show.
http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/10/multnomah_county_sheriff_dan_s_1.html
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Yet the longstanding tradition of paying deputies time-and-a-half to cover for a sick jail guard or a vacationing patrol deputy continues.
TIME AND HALF—AND MORE
The Multnomah County Sheriff’s Office regularly busts its overtime budgets. More than $1.2 million in extra pay was collected among the department’s top 30 overtime earners in 2012. Here are the top five last year, based on percentage increases over their salaries.
http://www.wweek.com/portland/article-20125-overtime_busts.html
In case anyone is following particular people and salaries vs retirement benefits, here is a resource from PERS regarding public and private work after retirement.
http://www.oregon.gov/pers/docs/general_information/working_after_retirement.pdf
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If you return to employment with a private employer, your PERS retirement benefits will continue unchanged. PERS does not limit the hours you may be employed or the amount of money you can earn from a private employer.
If you return to employment with a public employer in the state of Oregon after retirement, Oregon statutes impose certain limitations on that employment. It is your responsibility to be aware of these limitations and to track your hours to ensure compliance. If you decide to return to work with a public employer in the state of Oregon after retirement, you can control the number of hours you work and accordingly, whether you comply with or violate the limitation. It is your responsibility to remain in compliance with the limitations applicable to you
if you do not want your retirement benefits to stop.
PERS recommends that you track the hours you work in order to avoid exceeding the work hour limitations for each calendar year. The following paragraphs describe the limitations for members who retired for service. Different rules apply to
members who retired due to disability.
If you are a Tier One/Tier Two retired member, you may be employed by an Oregon public employer and continue to receive retirement benefits as long as the period or periods of employment with one or more participating public employers do not total 1,040 hours or more in a calendar year.
You can work for an employer or in a position that is excluded from the 1,040 rule (these “exceptions” are shown below). By keeping under the 1040-hour limit or working under an exception to the rule, you will retain your status as a PERS retired member and may continue to receive retirement benefits. You will not accrue any new benefits for employment while you retain your status as a retired member.
2009 legislation provides that hours worked under an exception to the 1,040-
hour limitation are not counted toward the limitation. For example, if you are working under an exception for Employer A and concurrently working under the 1,040-hour limitation for Employer B, only the hours worked for Employer B are counted toward the 1,040-hour limitation. This change is retroactive. It applies to all hours worked under an exception on or after January 1, 2004, or, if the exception was created after January 1, 2004, hours worked on or after the date the exception became effective, whichever is later. The effective date of an
exception can be found on the table at the above link.
The Exceptions
If you are re-employed as follows, the 1,040-hour limitation does not apply to that employment. You may work any number of hours in that position and they will not be counted toward the 1,040-hour limitation. Unless noted otherwise, these exceptions do not apply if you retired early, i.e., if you are a Tier One General Service member who retired before age 58 or a Tier Two General Service member who retired before age 60 unless you qualified for retirement with 30 or more years of service; or if you are a Tier One or Tier Two police officer or firefighter member who retired before age 55 unless you qualified for retirement at age 50-54 with 25 or
more years of service. Some exceptions have expiration dates.
Note from MBS – Exceptions are generally oriented around lower population areas or higher skill/education/experience requirements which make the jobs harder to fill.
Really.
erose says:
February 21, 2016 at 11:05 pm
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Just my soft voice here- but is it lost on anyone when you have folks earning more than DA’s and Judges and say- their own sheriff- it is the Tony Montanja petrie dish?
B
ATG, You said above, “One of the major problems in government is training people to effectively use the technology.” I could not agree more and I am disappointed it has not been more of a priority, especially considering the history of military technology, NASA, etc.
Thank you mbs. So a PPB detective can retire at 50 with 25 years?
And does DA investigator fit within the hours exception as a highly skilled job?
It is surprising with Vancouver there these Detectives of PPB, retiring at 50-54, don’t take themselves a rossthe birder to that DA and retire before 60 a second time with a second State’s pension, or take an investigator’s position with the Federal DOJ District Office in Portland & make their second pension Federal. However, the DA’s office salary for their office mgr investigator is obscenely high iirc.
some investigators
https://www.linkedin.com/title/investigator-at-multnomah-county-district-attorney's-office
@Blink, can you suggest any alleys of interest
that would support your “current project”?
Boy do I wish I had a good answer to that. I will take a raincheck though.
B