Kyron Horman Missing Case: Terri Horman Breaks Her Silence In People Magazine Interview
New York, NY- For nearly five and a half years Terri Horman has refused to speak publicly about her step-sons case. Outside of one assertion of her innocence while on the stand in a name change hearing she ultimately was denied, Horman did not speak to any reporters or answer any of their questions regarding Kyron Hormans disappearance. Until Now.
Horman courtesy of People
Horman was interviewed by People Magazines Elaine Aradillas for both the print and online editions, and will be doing a series of personal interviews over the next week, to include wwww.blinkoncrime.com.
In the brief online video excerpt , the second part to air on ABC’s Good Morning America Friday morning, Horman maintains she is deaf in her left ear, a critical factor in the outcome of her first polygraph.
“… At what point are Kyron’s biological parents going to realize I don’t have the answers, they need to change this thing around…”
“…There is so much the public is not being told about this investigation, that’s why I am doing this- nobody is looking for Kyron…”
Horman’s interview drew sharp reactions from Kaine Horman and Desiree Young, Kyron’s parents.
“…Why is she silent for 5 1/2 years if she is innocent. I want her to tell me where Kyron is. If she is innocent she should call Multnomah County Sheriffs Office and sit down for an interview…”- Desiree Young
“Hi friends. Yes I am well aware of the tabloid journalism piece in the media today. FYI – there will be more of the same coming Friday
We have a HOST of MCSO and FBI investigators STILL standing by with interviews and polygraphs when someone actually wants to cooperate. FEEL FREE TO STOP BY THEY ARE WAITING!! STILL!! Until then we’ll stick with the scores of people with valid/accurate information and the failed polygraphs as the only actual actions taken to-date. To all of you: how about not linking the article/interview?
REMEMBER KYRON?!?!? This is what we need to be focused on!!
Love you Kyron!!” – Kaine Horman post on his Facebook Page
Christina Stoy, www.blinkoncrime.com Editor In Chief was able to confirm with Ms. Horman directly that she has been willing to meet with Kyron’s investigators both previously and in the future with the sole provision that it be conducted in the presence of her Attorney, Portland criminal defense lawyer Stephen Houze.
Horman went on to say that investigators with the Multnomah County Sheriff’s Office have been well aware of “that” over the last five and a half years and they have never requested an interview. Um, What?
Horman reveals some shocking details about the subsequent polygraphs examinations referenced by Kaine Horman and Desiree Young and other allegations of improper tactics on behalf of MCSO in the second half of her interview to air tomorrow morning on abc’s GMA and on Nightline.
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Due to my less-than-terrific long term memory, I forget if I brought this up before today. I had read as many of the comments on OL as I had patience for back in June-July 2015 when several articles were published about Kyron’s case. In on of those articles, this comment appeared and it’s been bothering me ever since — because information like this would be part of a police investigation into a missing child of divorced parents. It is also indicative of what I have always felt was a tactic by local media that had reporters never, ever question (or investigate) ANYTHING that the bio parents of Kyron stated about themselves.
If these details about DY are true, then there are lists of people in her life who could have had “issues” with her. In turn, anyone who has issues with any of the parents in Kyron’s life spider out to other people with issues. The potential list of vampires in Kyron’s life is relatively huge.
From: http://connect.oregonlive.com/user/malasada/index.html
“She went to Canada much earlier than her story about her kidneys in order to live with a man she met. She is on record of receiving a traffic ticket in Vancouver the year before. She had her custody papers for Kyron changed so that she could pick up Kyron from Kaine’s parents house in Seattle and then return him there after spending the night in Canada. This all happened before she “lost her kidneys.”
Go read the court documents in the Washington county court house.
When her roommate kicked her out of his house in Canada she went down to Medford where she concocted her perfect story. She wasn’t broke. She still owned her condo back in Beaverton.
It’s all in public records. Do your homework. It’s right there in full view for anyone who wants to read about it.
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Not your fault NelMel, but when I see unverified opinion-posts from other sites it makes me nervous, lol- I don’t moderate there. If I did, I would ask the poster to support the veracity of such statements to start- and then, if appropriate, make a judgement call as to how they are to appear here. As an example- a quick glance of that link- many posts are wrought with error even if the intended “point” is sound. And I do wish to say- I do NOT believe that Kyron’s other parents were forced to undergo anywhere CLOSE to the type of scrutiny TH did and if anyone believes that was based on poly’s- boy do I have a bridge I would like to offer- *ping free*. The thing is- I can back that up. It is not based on gossip, or internet anonymous conversations-
As an example- DY did not incur ANY medical expenses either domestically or internationally during the time period in question. Unless she had some cash-based source and committed fraud on financial documents and sworn stipulations in the custody modifications of both her sons- I am going to state with certainty that there is a reason DY has not mentioned this “story” since Kantor ruled her medical records would be admissible in the civil suit. This, from the woman who included the accusation that TH lied to the media in a suit she withdrew on the eve of it’s return to active status? Give that some thought. Is any of this relative to Kyron’s disappearance? I don’t think it is, but since I have interviewed people I am aware LE never has that could speak to this issue- I can definitely say it could not have been excluded. Same lose-end data with Kaine.
And before one person attempts to counter with- “both DY and KH were cleared by the poly and LE”. Prove it. You don’t get to say TH has to clear herself because she was told she failed a poly and the others passed. I say again, prove it. Show me where MCSO or the DA has cleared a single individual in this case and then let me know the standard anyone is using to assign guilt of anything. The only persons ever to claim they have been cleared and passed polys are DY and KH and as far as judging solely from the record of public domain ( and I will grant TH public commentary is only a few weeks old) there are far more statements in dispute from KH and DY than from Terri. I say “in dispute” generously.
DY traffic citation is in Clark County, not Washington Cty. So what, TH has received one or 2 since 2010 as well.
Here’s a fact- BOTH DY’s sons spent more time at the Horman home than he did at Desiree’s. By far, up to June 2010. I don’t recall DY ever admitting Quinn spent any time with James and Kyron at NW Sheltered Nook, let alone that he and James were buds.
So when she said (a very altered version over the last 5 1/2 years in response to the question as to why she did not go to the science fair) “Living 5 hours away was challenging” was the first really honest (not accountable, but a start) answer I have heard and I will tell you why- DY NEVER expected TH to speak out, I have to believe TH intends to pursue civil remedy ( if she is innocent and feels defamed) so that perception is now out there. It is my understanding that KH also had to admit some truths privately on his end, and it looks like KM got the boot over the comments from her kids on what was going on in the house. Plenty to go around before, then and now.
Still- no Kyron.
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mbs, a mark of bad character for me.
I was being sarcastic to the max.
All those quiet Commissioners — in primary election season.
Even Bailey has a sock in his mouth.
imo Staton will narrowly avert the need gor an ongoing defense attorney by resigning.
Then Ellen will clear him criminally.
Doesn’t relieve his tort worries though.
I bet they’re wranging over whether the City Attorney will
agree in writing to defend all his activities from civil actions while actively in Office.
TY Blink btw for the answer I’m not the proper
person to give.
well the thought was proper for sure- I don’t doubt he is on the short list of anyone “in the know” contemplating criminal representation.
B
On Riddell reflection, his State AG tenure was
similar in method to a Frink, Underhill, or Rees.
All taught by Shrunk.
So, Imo Riddell is not the clean up the house candidate of the future.
@MbS
Thanks for the information on the science fair(s). Every time I see photos of Kyron’s project again, I am so impressed by it. I was just wondering if he would have won first place, and if not, who did. I was thinking of how over-the-top some parents can be, like in their kids competition in sporting events for instance. You know, like when a soccer mom/dad goes nuts and fights with the ref or whomever. And it made me wonder if it’s at all possible that some parent was ticked-off over what appears to be a project done by someone much older than little 7 year old Kyron. IIRC, LE kept his project as evidence, and I’ve always wondered why. I know if it were my son’s last piece of artwork or even a simple book report, I’d want to keep and treasure it. So to this day, I wonder why LE felt the need to keep that project, and why DY or KH never have asked for it back. What were they told by LE, when it was taken by them?
Also, you mentioned that you think IB people would have been there as guests. Do we know who that would be from looking at the list of people in attendance that day? Like you, I also thought it odd there was no reporter there from the O’s education reporting staff. Seems like it would have been a big deal for Skyline to have one there.
@Blink I always appreciate when you give us a long post. I sometimes have to read it over and over to understand
What you are saying LOL but that’s ok
I think it is so plain to see that the only people who cleared Kaine and DY is them self If Terri had said they cleared her It would be the same but no she didn’t so that made her the one To be blamed when I think she thought she would get a little comfort
I am at the point that DY has lost me.
Kaine if he decided to go it with out KM I respect him a little more He wanted Kiara so he should be a full time Dad. Every girl needs a good attentive adoring Daddy
Anyway are you still going to interview you know who. Or is it better for them not to get attention At this time
I have been interviewing Ms. Horman for a published piece over the last few weeks as well as others Malty. I intend to cover a great deal and I intend to cross-source so I have to be very thorough. I appreciate everyone’s patience
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@ Blink per “DY traffic citation is in Clark County, not Washington Cty. So what, TH has received one or 2 since 2010 as well.”
DY also had a traffic citation in Canada, and I think that is what the poster ‘malasada’ was referring to in his rant. DY failed to follow a traffic control device (stop sign, IIRC). I’ve seen the court documentation on it. I think we discussed it early on in here as well. I know the info is/was accessible online as I found it.
@Malty. “Kaine if he decided to go it without KM I respect him a little more”
I will restrain the snark about new sex partners needed from time to time and leave that line to Wife1.
to me, KM and her girls have no fault other than the mother’s neediness led to a selfdefeating partnering.
and dependent daughters should not be blamed.
Apparently KM satisfied KH’s own ends along the lines of how he previously treated DY and TH.
the girls and their mother were given a brief term of stability and housing, to finish HS for one.
What kiara gained was a faux mother and sibs to satisfy home studies, but these were “older sister” role models having speech and societal attitudes I do not believe her mother would have exposed her to. Imo these inhome role models at a vulnerable age may have been more defeating to kiara’s development than mother’s absence.
Rose says:
March 8, 2016 at 12:48 pm
mbs, a mark of bad character for me.
I was being sarcastic to the max.
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I’m not at all surprised, but I could just imagine rumors starting about Houze and Staton.
Just thinking –
“Loyalty” as a stand alone goal doesn’t work 100% for me. I have to believe in the worthiness of the subject of my loyalty and whether it meshes with my own beliefs. Otherwise, it’s about as valuable and meaningful as “I dare you.”
About the Sheriff. He seems to be learning if you are the subject of a criminal investigation, you can’t talk to anyone about anything. And, that civil cases are a means to further criminal charges. Only I think when mcso employed that tactic, in conjunction with DY and KH, someone from the DA’s office must have initially coached him and his deput(ies).
When I wonder how someone so flagrantly mentally ill could be placed in his position by voters (I mean the Big Dick, alto a couple others on both sides are either out of touch with reality in one case or evil in another), all I have to do is remember Kyron’s online Soldiers. Imo otherwise wellintended people get both evil and mental illness upside down when their source of info is only certain media sources.
@ Blink
I am not getting impatient just wonder about if she is up to more stress at this time And that’s all
And concerned For her health I guess I am always concerned about stress and health That’s me
I wouldn’t blame you if you were feeling impatient Malty
. I would definitely say the MCSO fall out was an unforeseen as it relates to my piece development. It is never easy-going when it seems everyone is suing or waiting to be sued, lol. TH is also in the process of a re-unification with her child that is protected by a court order. My firm has private casework, etc.
Without betraying any confidences, I think TH is and will continue to be under a tremendous amount of stress and strain until she seeks and/or is granted some sort of relief.
B
(snipped) “It is my understanding that KH also had to admit some truths privately on his end, and it looks like KM got the boot over the comments from her kids on what was going on in the house.” -B
imo, it’s always a terrible idea for any woman to move herself and her children into a man’s home when she is not married to him, when she is not on a lease or on a house’s mortgage/deed, etc., and is thus at the whim of the man’s moods, defenses, lifestyle dictates, etc. I feel bad for her but wth? Don’t women investigate the partners they want to shack up with? Length of prior relationships these men have had? How the men speak about their previous partners (demonizing all of them, everything was always the woman’s fault, etc.)? What kind of security is such a housing arrangement for oneself, and one’s CHILDREN, in each state? (30 day notice to vacate if on only a verbal agreement to live in the house? No notice required if no legal standing?) Eeek! Sorry, I’m as crabby as any almost-60 year old woman can be, and I just expect that in the 21st century women (especially with minor children in their custody) would not subject themselves or their kids to this kind of instability. Ladies, if the guy won’t make you “legit” in his life. all you are is a short term sex romp until he realizes you’re not hot enough or “loyal enough” to stay under HIS roof.
For the sake of her girls I sincerely hope she’s in a secure housing situation now and any woman in KH’s sphere of influence needs to note if he uses a strong courtship routine that includes hypersexuality to make her feel like that sexy goddess he seems to need for babysitting and laundry. Yeah I just said that.
I am old school and I do not wish to offend anyone. I have a blended family like many, many people. That said, I do not feel it is ever in children’s best interests to be in a parent-like situation with someone nobody has committed to. I say that, but I am also aware of some kids who have a parent that could benefit greatly even if they are just “shacking up”- so not my field and I have no real answer. To limit my thoughts to this case… We are talking about a toddler who’s older brother was sent packing in January and by June ( in critical development phase I might add) Kyron and her Mother were ripped from her life. By 2012 she has a pseudo maternal caregiver as a replacement with 3 older sibling-like girls sharing her home. Not to mention her old room while she is in Kyrons. Girls very active on social media about how they are adjusting. Girls gone. Critical health issues arise for the remaining and then out the revolving door they go.
I have advanced level edu and training in psych and neuro related issues as it relates to criminology- but I do not have any advanced training to diagnose a truly f*cked up situation acting as a catalyst to f*ck up a toddler for the rest of her life. Actually, the ONLY person I am aware of that does outside of the therapist assigned is Terri Horman. Every single person and pseudo-family in this child’s life she bonded to- is missing from her. Except for one person. To we see a pattern of manipulation here? This isn’t situational- it is causation.
B
My post just disappeared. Trying again.
If I were to start way back at the beginning, I’d love to know what Terri meant by *don’t listen to the news, it’s inaccurate*, (paraphrasing), just what was inaccurate, and why was inaccurate information being reported right out the gate(s?) about a little child that had just gone missing. I’d also like to know what Terri meant when she said “mark one for the FBI”. I’m sure Blink will be getting to all these questions sooner or later. JMO, but I think most of us STILL posting and asking questions here, have more patience in our little pinkies than the total sum of all those posting the rumors and hysteria on those hater sites. We all want answers, factual and truthful ones.
Speaking of the FBI, have ya’ll been following the news in the Malheur shooting? Maybe the FBI isn’t the who should be handling Kyron’s case afterall, sigh. Is anyone on the up-and-up? It will be interesting to hear from TMH about their involvement as well.
y’all have demonstrated from day one- To be honest, there have been days when the tenacity of Kyron’s dedicated posters have been like a needed battery for me in his case. Truth aids our God and therefore I seek to aid truth- wherever it leads. This has been my compass for any cases I have personally worked on but it cannot be underscored we are the sum of our parts.
I could not agree more on the fortitude for truth (pun intended
We will discuss the FBI’s involvement in Kyron’s case in detail.
B
KM & KH are splitzville?
@Rose says:
March 8, 2016 at 2:19 pm
Or maybe Riddell is, just for that reason. Who knows better where all the cobwebs and dustbunnies hide in a house than one who has lived there?
Commissioners Board mtg on 3/3: no mcso.
” ” ” ” 3/10: mcso item (Gates presenter)
postponed to 3/17. maybe he’s too busy coordinating AG staff interviews.
url sorry http://multnomah.granicus.com/ViewPublisher.php?view_id=3
In the past on this case when there
was silence from the helm
over 24 hours it has been preceding a new publication.
That was my hope.
Was about 12 hours my dearest Rose
After a serious kid health scare earlier in the week- I took the first opportunity to just be with my Sally.
I promise no announcements about publish dates until it is scheduled firmly.
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the Commissioners seem to think (per Agenda mcso item shift to 3/17) that
mcso personnel may be less distracted by then?
what judge thinks a reunification court order
can take precedence over Federal free speech rights?
None that would be presented as such before the court- this was never argued. I would say such a conversation (argument) would be subject to same as worded in the MUTUAL civil order.
B
Riddell had a nice 2014 case against the city & ppb involving Lt R Andrews.
and, She’s still a Lt. Altho she has a stereotypical female job assignment.
He seems to resolve these cases by putting the employee back in the position they woukd have been in had
the worksite violations not occurred, plus a little more (including his fees). imo not a bandit. In Reese’s case,
no apparent discipline.
Imo the child f*ckers in Chief were the Judge, the DA, and the Sheriff.
It was they who unitedly empowered flushing the best interests of this toddler down
the proverbial drain. And I bet they’ve done it plenty of other times, heedless of
anything but their political agendas, to other children.
Rose- ( I added an asterisk, lol) as it may surprise some for me to say- I believe INITIALLY everyone was marching to the order of locating Kyron unitedly. I don’t care what anyone says about training or response to such a situation- the collective hair was on fire to find this baby and to my knowledge to date- NOT ONE ASSET HAD EVER INVESTIGATED A HIGH PROFILE Non-Family MISSING CHILD CASE. Not one. Don’t let that shock anyone, it happens to most career investigators. At some point- did the thought of Kyron’s case becoming a career-ender (for some) influence activity or direction? Of course. Nobody feared Houze as representation to TH to their careers if TH were guilty. I have it on pretty solid authority that fear arose when it became evident a GJ speaking for peers did not believe she was. And frankly, when those within LE agreed.
That fear drove the initiative- and to date, these collective “system assets” are weighted differently in Kyron’s Jenga.
B
So- as this domino effect takes hold, not even Kyron’s bio parents are doing anything to address it but raising money to look for a live child but not advancing the investigation or hiring investigators.
How about that for the scales of justice?
From there, I believe LE thought they had the right theory although lacked any substantive evidence to further it earnestly, let alone prove any of it.
Altho some reporters were strong collaborators.
Terri better get her Bar complaints in before the new OR disciplinary rules pass shortly
Great post, great answer.
T. Ruth says:
March 9, 2016 at 1:37 pm
OT heard this author interviewed about her book on npr today (Brit?)
said it was an essentially a mother-daughter story.
Mothers like Terri and Desiree may reverberate with this mother’s experience.
http://crimebythebook.com/blog/2016/1/1/review-the-girl-in-the-red-coat-by-kate-hamer
This blurb called red a marker. Which makes me think that day the CSI shirt could have led Kyron to
stand out to his abductor. This girl is also lied to about parents. Kyron, if alive, coukd have been told any if his 4 parents sent him away like James was sent away and swallow it.
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Imo KM’s girls, so dear to her, played no role and share no bkame in the bf breakup. #2 felt mother in jeopardy of that while in her Sr year and asked her to make it work til she graduated. For all we know resettling was KM’s choice. I do think it unfortunate that girl didn’t have Calif instate tuition as an option for college. We know very little about Kyron’s father wrt his cohabitation choices, only what Desiree has repeatedly said. But we know he moved in eith then married #1 and 2 when their boys were about 7 (James & Quinn) and ditto fir #3 but she had two nubile teen girls and one younger girl. His moving on seemed to councide with the children aging out or moving out, but nothing can be inferred from that really. It will be interesting to see what children #4 will present with. It is irresponsible of a parent of either sex, in my opinion, to move in any sex partner and his or her older minors without a commitment to them as famiky–something more than bf or gf, and a permenancy plan one’s child can count on. l.
Disclaimer: impatience is my middle name. But I have acclimatized to Blink’s journalistic process and know
there are fluid challenges. Yes, we all have fortitude, flexibility, and persistance imo. As Blink often says, we are here as advocates for Kyron, to bear witness to his interests, in part due to a negligent and challengingly difficult investigation.
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@Blink. My opinion of the local OR FBI field Office Director who put his face so often before the camera in the initial investigation has always been very low wrt his prior professional relevant experience and judgment. Maybe you will change my opinion?
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I like that PPB Cold Case Unit.
I don’t think I will be able to- he may have been the public face so to speak- but to my knowledge he did no field work in Kyron’s case.
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@TRuth. Soldier called her an Ex on WS FB in Jan iirc. I mentioned here
coincidentally BKH FB was no longer being maintained after the”first ornaments” went up,
and no finished tree product had bedn pictured. Photo ops of KM’s teen on KH’s shoukders
staging an ornament hanging was apparently a thing of the past.
LE and the parents may have been trying to find Kyron in the beginning. It soon devolved into a royal mess because of ignorance of those doing the investigating. Instead of asking for assistance from another agency with experienced investigators, MCSO decided to ignore that need and just attack a bio parent. Of course this resulted in failure.
Is Kyron alive? We have nothing to indicate that he is. There is always hope. Remember the St. Louis area case where the boy was abducted by the fast food shop manager and was not discovered for over four years.
I just adore you, thank you so very much. I ordered that book.
xo
B
http://www.wweek.com/2016/03/10/the-bureau-of-labor-and-industries-will-investigate-whistle-blower-complaint-against-sheriff-dan-staton/
I think Staton is negotiating for indemnification in retroactive civil actions, and intact PERS, before resigning.
He shoukd’ve just retired early, last summer.
County cannot indemnify in criminal matters imo.
@Blink wrt: ” I have it on pretty solid authority that fear arose when it became evident a GJ speaking for peers did not believe she was. And frankly, when those within LE agreed.”
Did that happen before or after yentas Rackner and Meienheimer entered Stage Left field?
Gotta believe someone in the DA’s office chose deliberately
to put on Kaine & the Youngs Aug 3/4, followed by her “friends” Aug 5/6
(other urls).
that allowed the jurors to flesh out and questioningly
critique the “opposition’s” storylines.
http://www.nwcn.com/story/news/2014/07/30/12906204/
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So anyway Rackner and Meisenheimer had done their collusive bysiness well before
the GJ heard the principals, and I bet they were among the most surprised at an outcome different from what they had banked on.
PS Sorry to hear about kid’s seious health scare.
Hope not a soccer injury.
Thank you, no. Viral- landed in the ER after Dr. visit 3 days earlier so a little salty on that. Yesterday first solid food in 10 days.
Happy Spring Break with about 30 hours to make up. Still grateful only temporary.
B
@ATG
IIRC, they (MCSO) asked for FBI & CARD to come in on June 4, 2010, the very night Kyron went missing. How much sooner can they ask for help than that? Basically, only hours after the local authorities were notified (unfortunately at least six hours after this child had literally disappeared from ANYONE’s watch) Which makes me wonder who actually bobbled the ball? MCSO or FBI? Or was it a bizarre combination thereof? Or was there someone, something interceding in the processes that should have gone down? IDK, but blame is easy to spread and I say just get over it and get on with it and let’s find the answers to this child’s disappearance, and hope beyond hope, let’s find a live Kyron. (My hope and prayer.)
The journalist’s challenge is that due to
the mutual no contact order, anything
Terri tells you touching on Kaine or kiara
can only be referenced if gotten firsthand
from a primary source other than her, not
in her published interview.
Hey Rose, thank you for finding that old article, because I was looking for it the other day, and couldn’t find it, this part:
“Kaine Horman told KGW that he appeared before the grand jury in the Multnomah County Courthouse but he did not elaborate on whether he testified. He was seen exiting the courthouse with Kyron’s mother, Desiree Young and her husband, Tony Young on Tuesday afternoon. However, Kaine did not say whether the other two appeared before the grand jury as well.”
has always bother me. Why would KH not say whether the other two DY & TY had testified before the GJ? Did they not? If not, that *could* be important to this case.
http://www.nwcn.com/story/news/2014/07/30/12906204/
Ooops, forgot to add the link.
We will discuss the FBI’s involvement in Kyron’s case in detail.
B
Looking forward to it!
T. Ruth
Yes, we do need to move on. The FBI is not all about investigations of the crimes of murder, abduction or robberies. They have people who are investigative accountants for white collar crime. If my memory is correct, the Agent in Charge of the Portland office did not have any experience in areas outside of white collar crime. What I don’t know is the experience of other agents assigned to Portland regarding abductions.
The other thing is did MCSO really use the talent of the FBI or did they just give them a little bit of the case reserving the actual control to themselves? Maybe Blink will cover this area in her part III article.
I have known three FBI agents over the years. Two of them were quality people. The third IMO was a licensed bully who didn’t have good judgement.
A Texas Grandfather says:
March 10, 2016 at 4:57 pm
I just adore you, thank you so very much. I ordered that book.
xo
B
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I adore ATG too, what book?
I was going to suggest ATG offer an O/T recommendation- but it is The 5000 Year Leap W. Cleon Skousen.
B
OT TY ATG for the referral. Rhetorical only Q for me
would be how did he “lose his police job”? (see url)
The rest is coherently portrayed.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/W._Cleon_Skousen
Rose
Skousen lost his police job because a new Mayor got caught by the police in a place that was not considered good by the citizens. Police Chiefs are mostly appointed by the office of mayor in the community. Therefore, they work at the pleasure of the Mayor. When the Mayor was harassed by some people that supported Skousen, the Mayor simply fired him. Political paybackz? Sure, and not the first time it had happened.
Yes, Skousen was a Morman. His religious preference does not change the fact that he researched the original material from which he produced his books. The information presented is IMO valuable to all citizens and in particular to the youth of our country who presently are not taught these truths.
When I was in school, beginning in first grade, there were replicas of the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution along with a portrait of George Washington in every classroom. My twin and I stood in the snow for hours waiting to get on the Freedom train to view the historical documents that were on display for the people. None of that happens today.
ot
@atg. I agree today’s public schools lack basic elem ed civics education that happenedly yearly in Texas eled classrooms of yore, and that is unfortunate.
A reason whippersnappers like Rod and Dan don’t get that the Constitution should govern their professional practices.
I did find the loss of police job addressed here.
http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-ff-oregon-standoff-constitution-20160121-story.html
“Skousen lived in controversy from his beginnings in public life. Leaving the FBI after 15 years in 1951, Skousen took a post at Brigham Young University, then was appointed chief of the scandal-ridden Salt Lake City Police Department. He was fired after four years, in 1960, contemporary accounts claim, because he was too zealous in eradicating card games in private clubs.”
ATG. That was wonderful to read about you and twin taking the freedom train I just remember Lord’s Prayer
Flag salute and singing God Bless America Every morning In school. And I am thankful for those memories
O/T This 2916 election is non ending Stress Every day brings more talks of constitutional rights
Moveon.org But my ears have to hear it all. LOL
LOL. 2016
I checked the Soldier new site and she thinks she has found where Terri lives And wants some one to go take a pic of her Hard to believe oh yes if you talk to Terri ask where is Kyron.
O/T
Sounds like an interesting book, thanks for the recommendation. I like this a lot:
“The most promising method of securing a virtuous and a morally stable people is to elect virtuous leaders.”
So fitting this year. Now if I could only find one. LOL
Speaking of books, did anyone read The Harbinger? It’s fiction, but it sure made me think about where America is now, compared to where we used to be.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Five_Thousand_Year_Leap
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Harbinger_%28novel%29
My links didn’t post, weird.