Kyron Horman Missing Case: Terri Horman Breaks Her Silence In People Magazine Interview

New York, NY-  For nearly five and a half years Terri Horman has refused to speak publicly about her step-sons case.  Outside of one assertion of her innocence while on the stand in a name change hearing she ultimately was denied, Horman did not speak to any reporters or answer any of their questions regarding Kyron Hormans disappearance. Until Now.

Horman courtesy of People

Horman was interviewed by People Magazines Elaine Aradillas for both the print and online editions,  and will be doing a series of personal interviews over the next week, to include

In the brief online video excerpt , the second part to air on ABC’s Good Morning America Friday morning,  Horman  maintains she is deaf in her left ear, a critical factor in the outcome of her first polygraph.

“… At what point are Kyron’s biological parents going to realize I don’t have the answers, they need to change this thing around…”

“…There is so much the public is not being told about this investigation, that’s why I am doing this- nobody is looking for Kyron…”

Horman’s interview drew sharp reactions from Kaine Horman and Desiree Young, Kyron’s parents.

“…Why is she silent for 5 1/2 years if she is innocent.  I want her to tell me where Kyron is.  If she is innocent she should call Multnomah County Sheriffs Office and sit down for an interview…”-  Desiree Young

“Hi friends. Yes I am well aware of the tabloid journalism piece in the media today. FYI – there will be more of the same coming Friday
We have a HOST of MCSO and FBI investigators STILL standing by with interviews and polygraphs when someone actually wants to cooperate. FEEL FREE TO STOP BY THEY ARE WAITING!! STILL!! Until then we’ll stick with the scores of people with valid/accurate information and the failed polygraphs as the only actual actions taken to-date.  To all of you: how about not linking the article/interview?
REMEMBER KYRON?!?!? This is what we need to be focused on!!
Love you Kyron!!” – Kaine Horman post on his Facebook Page

Christina Stoy, Editor In Chief was able to confirm with Ms. Horman directly that she has been willing to meet with Kyron’s investigators both previously and in the future with the sole provision that it be conducted in the presence of her Attorney,  Portland criminal defense lawyer Stephen Houze.

Horman went on to say that investigators with the Multnomah County Sheriff’s Office have been well aware of “that” over the last five and a half years and they have never requested an interview.  Um, What?

Horman reveals some shocking details about the subsequent polygraphs examinations referenced by Kaine Horman and Desiree Young and other allegations of improper tactics on behalf of MCSO in the second half of her interview to air tomorrow morning on abc’s GMA and on Nightline.

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  1. MockingbirdSings says:

    A Texas Grandfather says:
    March 12, 2016 at 11:56 am
    snipped -
    When I was in school, beginning in first grade, there were replicas of the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution along with a portrait of George Washington in every classroom. My twin and I stood in the snow for hours waiting to get on the Freedom train to view the historical documents that were on display for the people. None of that happens today.

    @ATG – OT – small world. I worked in Portland on the restoration of steam locomotive 4449 which pulled the Freedom Train across the country every place but the NE areas where the clearances were too small, and on many excursions afterward. The documents were fascinating, but my favorites were the rocking chairs of Presidents Lincoln and Kennedy. :)

  2. thatkewlgirl says:

    Today is Pi Day. It’s also TH’s birthday. I hope she is somewhere with someone who will celebrate with her.

    I made a cherry pie for my son to celebrate 3.14, his favorite pie.

  3. Rose says:

    same list Malty, but after the pledge of allegiance to the US flag, came the
    pledge to the Texas flag. These rites were a good means to call a class to order.

  4. T. Ruth says:

    O/T, but I wonder why the AG isn’t publishing this data as is required by law.

    I have no basis of comparison to other states but this shocks me.

  5. A Texas Grandfather says:

    My Freedom train experience was with the first train in 1947. This was still the age of steam in American railroads. There were actually two locomotives used to pull the train. One,the 4449 Southern Pacific Northern class a super-steam specifically built for passenger service and fitted with stream-line material to hide its mechanical parts. It was a 4-8-4 wheel configuration. Four wheels on the front truck, eight driving wheels and four trailing wheels under the cab. The second was engine number 650 from the Texas and Pacific RR. They worked together to insure the train would not be delayed for mechanical reasons. The Freedom train of the 1970′s was also pulled by this engine. It is now a part of the Texas State railroad historical equipment.

    I have actually been in the cab of a Texas and Pacific steam locomotive in the service of yard switcher. It was a 2-6-0 configuration and coal fired. An uncle was an engineer for T&P. He lived not far from the yard. My twin drove the engine from the North end of the yard to the South while I was the fireman, then we switched out and I drove it back. The power was applied by a long brass throttle bar located in the center of the cab. I spun the wheels by applying too much power at the start of the return trip. A pair of wide-eyed kids at age six doing something that few would have the opportunity to do.

    If one has not read the book “The Five thousand Year Leap” there is much to be learned from it. It includes the identified 28 principles the Founders used to construct the Constitution along with Thomas Paine’s “Common Sense”,the Declaration of Independence, the Constitution and it’s amendments and other material.

  6. Rose says:

    J Gates is doing the testifying to the CC for mcso this week:
    IV 1&2

  7. Tiny says:

    That indymedia document shocks me as well.
    However did you find that, T. Ruth?
    There’s my time suck for day.

  8. T. Ruth says:

    Rose says:
    March 14, 2016 at 11:59 am

    same list Malty, but after the pledge of allegiance to the US flag, came the
    pledge to the Texas flag. These rites were a good means to call a class to order.

    @Rose&Malty, same in CA, except we sang America the Beautiful, which is still one of my favorite songs. The National Anthem still gives me chills every time I hear it sung at sporting events, etc. And my mind then, jumps to 911, and my heart cries and my eyes tear. Pretty much every time.

  9. T. Ruth says:


    That’s my favorite pie too! How did I not know there was a national PI Day?! I hope TMH is spending time with her daughter, and if not at that point yet, at the very least able to send k a card describing birthdays past which she arranged the festivities for, for all her kids, James, Kyron, and k, as well as the one we know about for Q.

  10. Rose says:

    Jason Gates appointed interim Sheriff in the event of a vacancy.
    likely to remain interim untilnext election when he runs.
    Agency will not get cleaned up nor will Kyron’s investigation advance under Gates imo.
    So it makes little difference what Staton’s outcome is.
    For all we know, Gates is one of Jacquiss’ sources, purposefully.

  11. Malty says:

    @Rose yes we did the Oregon flag also And sang My Oregon sometimes that was lots of yrs back for me
    They still sat us on the dunce stool and used a ruler. On our hands Paddles for boys,
    Can you imagine doing that in 2016
    Ha ha and we didn’t Know it was abuse then

  12. Rose says:

    I missed that Bernstein, true to form, under the
    guise of “news” continued her contributions to Stalkers
    by verifying and publishing Terri’s new city of residence:

  13. A Texas Grandfather says:

    According to the link from Rose on deaths by police action, it appears that the AG of Oregon is not fulfilling the requirements of her office. I think we have “rotten fish” from the head down.

    It is good that there is an organization that is watching that activity and it is getting some attention in the media. When “We the People” are kept in the dark by government, they cannot do their civic duty to make corrections.

  14. Rose says:

    my kid in a Sr seminar, when evaluating academic papers, has to in small part identify the paper’s researcher’s sources as primary (highest value) or secondary. So to the extent book 5,000 replicates primary sources, good job. The problem comes when a denizen of today (Scalia-like) tries to put himself in the stead of a primary source and opines on what was meant “in the day.”
    not only impossible, but narcissistic mentations of omnipotence.

  15. Rose says:

    @Malty. wrt Soldier’s new site.
    Only as effective as her backers’ support.
    So idk who the Kochs backed in this Repub horse race,
    Haven’t paid attention.

    but Koch is to their Candidate
    as X is to Soldier, imo.
    Who’s got pursuit money?

  16. T. Ruth says:

    @Rose says:
    March 15, 2016 at 1:37 pm

    Thanks for that info. Interesting that tidbit was produced in June of 2010. So Gates is, in effect, holder of the Undersheriff position that Staton eliminated.

    No, Tim Moore is, to my knowledge. Although I admit I saw a recent org chart I commented on he was not included. I think he may be the latest to ride the back of the bus.

  17. A Texas Grandfather says:

    Yes Malty, you cannot strike a student today, but that does not mean you cannot get their attention in other ways. My favorite with talking band members was to call out the talkers and send the entire section to the four corners of the room. Some of course were not guilty, but the section leaders responsibility was to keep things under control. One or two events quickly convinced all that I meant to have proper behavior and would take steps to make it happen.


    One of the things my college American History teacher taught us was that often the writers of the text did not do the required diligence in research for factual data and did not interpret the use of language as was common for the time under consideration. Looks like we have a professor who thinks he or she is always correct and may penalize those who disagree. Good luck to your child.

    I have been really lucky in History Proffs- so much so, when considering law school I also considered majoring in History. I could immerse myself in History all day long. It is like a poignant memory canvas (or celloid) to me I never tier of. To your point, of course it is subjective.
    Good luck to Rosette as well.

  18. Rose says:

    idk who the UnderSheriff is, but this is the controlling legal document as to who serves as Interim Sheriff should the Office become vacant (incapacitation, death, retirement)…. Gates. And, in fact Madrigal did fulfill Cogen’s designation.

  19. T. Ruth says:

    T. Ruth says:
    March 16, 2016 at 1:33 pm

    @Rose says:
    March 15, 2016 at 1:37 pm

    Thanks for that info. Interesting that tidbit was produced in June of 2010. So Gates is, in effect, holder of the Undersheriff position that Staton eliminated.

    No, Tim Moore is, to my knowledge. Although I admit I saw a recent org chart I commented on he was not included. I think he may be the latest to ride the back of the bus.


    Apolly for posting the whole post again, but do you, Blink, have knowledge of Tim Moore being named in the above position, since Gates was it seems elevated to that position in mid June 2010?

    Specifically asking because I remember before the GJ list of attendees was court-ordered to suddenly remain anonymous, it was either Moore or Reiser who actually had been reported as appearing, (can’t remember which) and I don’t recall Gates…..ever specifically mentioned as going before the GJ, not that he didn’t. I just don’t recall him being mentioned.

    T- Rose has the current information upthread. It looks like Moore was made a chief deputy, but I would swear in Ritchies pre tort filing he referred to Moore as the undersheriff and that referenced last Fall, iirc. Almost positive on the GJ it was Monty Reiser (GJ 1, circal July 2010).

  20. A Texas Grandfather says:

    Good for you B. History is the stories that happened to people and communities. IMO those who do not understand history have a difficult time understanding current times and their place in it.

    I believe that you can probably credit your mom and your papa for generating that interest just as my maternal grandmother did to me as she related her life during the last half of the 19th century and most of the first half of the 20th. If one looks at common language and spellings during the time of the founders, one finds considerable differences in word spelling and usage.

    I often tell people to try and make themselves clear and in example suggest the problem of trying to describe our instruments of communication to one of the founders, the telephone or television.

    Just this evening I found a test on the Smithsonian Institute site about facts from the second world war. There were thirty questions. I managed to remember correct answers to twenty-five. Of course, I didn’t have to use a history book to get the knowledge. It happened during my lifetime.

  21. Rose says:

    iirc,press said in 2009 Skipper reached down several levels to put Staton in as interim Sheriff because he had the requisite certification and the employees immediately under Skipper did not. That would include Moore. So, in drafting the legal doc for interim in 2010, Staton also probably skipped Moore for that reason. One presumes Gates has the certification required of a Sheriff.

  22. Rose says:

    As of last July, there is no Undersheriff.
    There were in rank pecking order
    3 equal Chief Deputies
    3 Commanders
    6 Captns
    3 Lts
    There are a glut of Captns, centered in Corrections.

    2009 changes Staton made:
    1. added significantly more Captns
    2. let Moore keep Chief Deputy job, (just diluted by adding 2 more Chief Deputies down the road)
    So, what Staton has done since 2009 is bloat the highest bureacratic levels.
    3. took Gates from Lt to Captn (now he has moved up to Commander – new rank since 2009?)

  23. Rose says:

    Seems to me the mcso budget requests for
    supplements in 2010-11 for the abduction investigation
    in part masked the reality of significant added costs associated with
    creating so many new top admin personnel ranks,
    bloating personnel costs in reality not associated with the
    investigation. Budget additions perhaps included 2 more chief deputies,
    3 commanders, several more captns, etc. And having so
    many more high level people to supervise likely puffed the Sheriff’s
    salary increase justifications as well.

  24. Rose says:

    @TRuth. As of July 2015, Gates had pedaled up beginning in 2009 from Lt to Captn, to Commander, which he is now
    (see his title on today’s MC Commissioner’s agenda). Staton or Gates’ Chief Deputy Supv Moore are merely dispatching him to the Commissioners and public as a reliable lap dog imo. My theory is he has the certification to be interim Sheriff that Moore likely lacks. Staton too jumped several levels in 2009 because he had the certification.

  25. Rose says:

    @Blink. url above notes Moore was Chief Deputy in 2009 when
    Staton took over. The question then was whether he’d
    be disciplined with demotion. He was not.

  26. Rose says:

    today’s regular agenda MCC
    pretty boring
    one can see why Jules B wanted to bail out quickly after
    his election as Commissioner for an action meet & greet job (mayor)

  27. T. Ruth says:

    @Rose says:
    March 17, 2016 at 1:01 am

    Makes sense.

    Happy St. Patty’s Day everyone!

  28. T. Ruth says:

    The Februay 11, MCC meeting, has a very vocal participants calling for Sheriff to step down. (4:17) Also, comments on Wapato should be turned into a homeless shelter and some man saying he was held for 78 days (without medication) in MC jail for a crime that was listed as a felony and was ultimately reduced by the judge to a misdemeanor, all the while he never received a timely notice issued to him by PPB, that his personal property would be destroyed in 60 days, which it was, and the notice was held by the MCSO and not given to him until the day he was released, after the fact.

    WTH goes on up there? I don’t know what this dude did, but is the MCSO jail that non-functional, that they can’t give an inmate a notice so he/she can contact someone to assist them? It may not seem like a big deal that this man could not get into his home, because he no longer had a key, and could not get food, because he no longer had his food stamp card, but was that really a necessary thing to do? Why couldn’t PPB give MCSO this man’s property to hold, let alone the notice in a timely fashion? It just shows non-functional, costly lack of procedures to me.

    It goes on to auditors and some of the results thereof, done by independent auditors. I don’t have an hour and half to keep listening right now, but just letting anyone know who might live up there and be interested.

  29. T. Ruth says:

    I could be wrong, Rose, but I don’t ever remember Gates being called Commander in 2010.

    “Portland police initially responded to the missing-person call, using search dogs throughout the school and also searching on the school roof, said Multnomah County sheriff’s Capt. Jason Gates, the incident commander. The search was turned over later Friday to the sheriff’s office, as the school is not within the city limits.”

    I’m pretty sure he was referred to as Captain, (maybe the terms are interchangeable?) these kinds of weird promotions make me wonder if someone(s) have something on the Sheriff himself.

    I’m sure JG did not appreciate being referred to as a FA by his boss.

  30. T. Ruth says:

    1 / 13
    Grant County Sheriff Glenn Palmer at a police roadblock in Seneca, OR, about 27 miles north on U.S. 395 from where authorities stopped Ammon Bundy and others, and Robert “LaVoy” Finicum was shot and killed. U.S. 395 was blocked at Seneca between John Day and Burns by Oregon State police officers the evening of Tuesday, January 26, 2016. Dave Killen / staff
    Dave Killen | The Oregonian/OregonLive
    Les Zaitz | The Oregonian/OregonLive By Les Zaitz | The Oregonian/OregonLive
    Email the author | Follow on Twitter
    on March 17, 2016 at 9:30 AM, updated March 17, 2016 at 12:30 PM

    UPDATE: Grant County’s top elected official plans to talk with sheriff about the investigation.

    The state Justice Department has opened a criminal investigation into Grant County Sheriff Glenn Palmer, who met with militants from the wildlife refuge takeover in eastern Oregon and urged authorities to concede to some of their demands.

    The investigation will be handled by the Criminal Justice Division in Attorney General Ellen Rosenblum’s office. The division investigates public corruption as part of its duties.

    (snipped, more @link)
    Is it something in the air? AG’s office is going to be busy.

  31. Rose says:

    yes TRuth. Gates was promoted from Lt to Captn in 2009 (url above).
    Idk when “Commander” was made a promotional rank, but he made it.

  32. Rose says:

    My bet is Gates was to promote to Chief Deputy (business) but
    Yankee made a stink and now holds the slot to 2017.
    Note Gates’testified to MCC today on budgetary and facilities (Business cone) issues

  33. Rose says:

    @TRuth: When Gates said this ““Portland police initially responded to the missing-person call, using search dogs throughout the school and also searching on the school roof, said Multnomah County sheriff’s Capt. Jason Gates, the incident commander. The search was turned over later Friday to the sheriff’s office, as the school is not within the city limits.” he was a newly promoted Captn. Imo promoted for fealty to Staton,
    Imo Staton has played a much larger personally directive role in the investigation than we have fathomed heretofore.

  34. Rose says:

    “. The search was turned over later Friday to the sheriff’s office, as the school is not within the city limits.”
    Who is Allen Breitmann, another feckless O Reporter?
    That tirnover is baloney as PPB had jurisdiction by contract over any crime on PPS property anywhere situated.
    But we learn from Allen that mcso seized the day the very first day, Friday. Alas.

  35. Rose says:

    We have been focusing on agency job titles and ranks.
    We know in June 2010 Gates was a newly promoted Captn (from Lt) and was designated in a legal doc to be interim Sheriff in the event of a vacancy, most likely because he had the requisite certification.

    TRuth posted an O article (not that O is reliably accurate or independent) wherein in June 2010, Gates was termed “incident commander” wrt this abduction’s LE response mgmt.

    wikipedia has good detail wrt what an “incident commander” is.
    Seems it is a Standardized term in the LE industry, and not particular to either rank (an incident commander could be a captn, or Lt, or chief deputy–mcso ranks are not relevant. it is apparently a case designation for a particular emergency crisis.)

    So, if the O is correct that Gates was incident commander 6/4/10ff for the school abduction, does that mean he was the Horman investigation management f*up in chief, now poised to shortly become interim Sheriff?

  36. Rose says:

    and, if Gates was abduction incident commander,
    he was the manager who approved all that second home
    and he is designated next Sheriff in a gap.
    Wake up those Commissioners.

  37. Rose says:
    was Mult Cty’s Emergency Mgmt and Operations Plan invoked on 6/4/10?
    If there was a County Incident Commander, likely so.
    And what was that codified Plan?

  38. Rose says:

    Miscellaneous: In 2010 Reiser was a Captn in charge of the Enforcement Division
    So, he was Kyron’s “incident commander” and (newly also a Captn) Gates’ direct supervisor. What could Reiser testify to a GJ about if he was not the Officer with firsthand direct knowledge? It seems to me the firsthand knowledge deputy sources were O’Donnell and Kavfre. (Reiser’s name on a doc re 4-man warrant strike force in 3/10 and 6/10)
    (By 2015, the head of Enforcement is called a Commander.) In 2010,
    p 19 Diana O (the OT queen) was a patrol sgt
    p21 detective unit mention
    p23 O’Donnell and his CAT mention
    p28 Hazmat/Clandestine Lab team was apparently Staton’s assignment when injured. Perhaps his ears perked up when he heard Terri was visiting stores to find an unavailable product.
    p32. HRU A picture of Ott?

    In 2009, just before Staton leaped up about 3 levels to become Sheriff, Reiser was captn over Corrections. He was apparently moved over to Enforcement to take Elliott’s place after Staton took over. Staton had been under Elliott in Enforcement Div.

    It was Bernstein in this article who called Moore an undersheriff. She used no quote marks or caps around that word. So likely she did not quote the undersheriff language from the suit document.

    This demotion of Elliott from Captn to Lt by Staton (to be replaced by Reiser from corrections) on the grounds mcso was top heavy with Captns is a hoot, because in Dec 2009 O’s fact-reliable Hannah-Jones was writing about expansion in the ranks of Captns (when Gates made Captn):
    This article notes Staton eliminated the undersheriff position when he was sworn in Nov 2009. So Bernstein got that fact wrong in 2012 when she called Moore an undersheriff. Skyler was Indersheriff up until the position elimination.
    Funny Staton would claim: “Staton said the allegation regarding Reiser was the first he had heard of it” because he was the one who reported Elliott’s research to Skipper in Feb 09. .
    Article also notes the demotion of a Chief Deputy, Ron Bishop. Wonder why Bishop didn’t sue like Elliott?

    In Jan/Feb 2009,
    there were 2 Chief Deputies, Moore and the soon to be demoted (by Staton) Bishop, and the Undersheriff was T Slyter
    in eliminating the Undersheriff position in Nov 09, Staton got rid of Slyter who retired a month later. Staton seems fond of eliminating positions and demotions to force people to retire (Slyter, Bishop, Elliott, Ritchie, Yankee)

    Bishop was indeed demoted from chief deputy to captn and put in charge of Detention Ctr, where he was Yankee’s supervisor: Slyter apparently returned to mcso as Undersheriff for 15 months to help Skipper “with some specific issues” and re-retired a month after Staton eliminated his position.

    Feb 2010 Slyter was still coming back to work, tho retired, to help Staton address the yearly GJ Corrections report

    Clarity wrt Staton eliminating Slyter’s position and forcing his 12/09 retirement, Slyter was a better qualified rival for Sheriff in the May 2010 primary.
    Slyter pulls out in March 2010:
    Wonder why he pulled out? certification does not explain it.

    So when Kyron was abducted, Staton had only gotten thru the primary in May, not the general election in Fall 2010. Kyron’s abduction imo assured Staton’s Nov 2010 election. (strong sheriff’s leadership on display for months prior to election day.)

    Btw last article again had the byline of Hannah-Jones. How did the O ever let her get away? Her articles seem more fact-reliable and deeper than O’s usual mcso reporting.
    She’d be great to cover that mcso use of force audit.

  39. Rose says:
    this 2007 article refers to an “incident commander” and to the National Incident Mgmt system wrt a mobile regional communications system and lists then-Lt Gates as the contact person. This “incident commander” infrastructure Gates was contact for seems to be related to SAR deployments and to involve communications.

  40. Rose says:
    Interestingly, that certification ruse used when Slyter withdrew as Staton’s challenger in March 2010 was
    a nonexistant issue as another Nikole Hannah O article says Slyter was given a certification waiver because he’d only been gone a bit over 5 years (the cut off) and had remained a practitioner in the field.
    So it must’ve been a recognition of the Union-endorsement of Staton thing–who was the mcso Union Pres in early 2010? Staton owes him. (The law was clear and there was never a chance Skipper would get a waiver. ) So
    who instated Skipper as the Sheriff to follow Guisto, rather than turn to the qualified Slyter who apparently
    came back to prop up and cover for Skipper in his 4 month absence? Could Shrunk have made that call? or Wheeler?
    or a Union Pres?

  41. Rose says:

    very recently the Dog Mission was still about $3,000 from goal, but a recent “hidden amt” donor has saved the day.
    So it appears this health-challenged child will not be disappointed on Spring Break. Seeing her pic, walking up K’s driveway on the fundraising site, I wondered about the many minor girls in America who are dependent on tenuous housing from a mother’s bf. Clearly it’s not an issue of race, or socio-economic class, for women, but an education-employment issue, flowing to the next generation. And Terri once walked in those shoes. Imo there are many more than this girl in a home which is not a home, because mother’s name is not on a deed, lease, or rental agreement.

  42. Rose says:

    In 2010 Jacquiss busily outed the clackamus CSO culture and Sheriff
    without impact :

  43. Rose says:

    5 years ago, Portland aveda training cost $16,350!
    and competitors in US charge more.
    This appears to be a whole subculture of large sums for paraprofessional skills which is foreign to me.
    A friend cut hair, and I learned it is a physically debilitating profession.
    Who would pay that amount for a training course rather than inState college or community college tuition?

  44. TMH says:

    Thank you to all here who continue to seek the truth and not settle for the facade put forth by those who deem themselves an authority legally or otherwise.

    I read here often and am appreciative of the different minds working all the angles to bring resolution to this case.

    The focus needs to be on the children affected in this travesty first. I am so thankful I see that as your goal on a daily basis. Kyron matters. As does Kitty, James, Quinn and extended family members. Please continue what you do.



    To all- Ms. Horman asked if she could post to all the readers and contributors to BOC as we continue the work on our interviews and updated piece to Kyron’s case- we hope to be complete in the near future. I can verify to you this post is from her directly and not someone pretending to be her ( as you all know I require that).

    In furtherance of the goals for our interview, included in my upcoming series on Kyron’s case, I have asked Ms. Horman NOT to respond to any questions. Thank You.

  45. erose says:

    TMH, Thanks to Blink who kept us on track these many years, she is a sincere advocate for children and victims. You are in the best of hands.

  46. T. Ruth says:

    @Rose says:
    March 18, 2016 at 12:47 am

    I knew you’d pick up on that “incident commander” as did I, thanks for looking it up, I didn’t have time yesterday. It sounds to me, like Gates had more responsibility over this case than at least, I thought. Makes me wonder if when Staton admitted he had lost faith in the investigation, he actually meant lost faith in whomever was in charge, which sounds like JG.

    So, from your wiki link:

    “Even if subordinate positions are not assigned, the incident commander position will always be designated or assumed. The incident commander may, at their own discretion, assign individuals, who may be from the same agency or from assisting agencies, to subordinate or specific positions for the duration of the emergency.”

    Is it Gates who was responsible for removing Gosson and bringing in O’Donnell?


    I always wondered what Resier went before the GJ with as well. I was surprised it wasn’t Shultz, who was the families’ liaison. Maybe he pitched the case about the bat-phones, or ping-a-lings. IDK


    Rose, I remember when you found the PPS/PPB contract, because until saw it, I had thought, as I believe it is here, the County Sheriff’s department had jurisdiction over all areas outside of the city limits. (UCC tragedy, as an example.) So, who through the contract out the window? PPB or MCSO or PPS? I’d never considered this before, but would there have been some sort of advantage to PPS to MCSO handling this case as opposed to PPB? Making it perhaps easier somehow to CYA’s?

  47. T. Ruth says:


    Welcome and your sentiments are echoed here. I hope your parents are in good health and I hope you someday can reunite with your lovely daughter. The truth will prevail, it always does.

  48. T. Ruth says:

    @Rose says:
    March 18, 2016 at 11:13 am

    There is a Beauty College in Roseburg, I’ve been there several times, I was in SHOCK when I found out what these girls pay for this vocational training. (They also had to buy most of their own supplies on top of that!) Most of the one’s I’ve conversed with are on some kind of federal/state grant, and like you, I wondered why they couldn’t get the same kind of money to go to UCC or similar. Perhaps they just didn’t care for traditional classrooms, or just simply prefer cutting hair, IDK?

  49. Rose says:

    In looking for who was Union President in the period 2009 thru March 2010, the determinative period when the underling Staton was anointed rather than the eminently qualified, functionally acting sheriff, undersheriff Slyter,
    I have not found the Pres, but familiar Union face VP and spokesman (and soon to be Pres) SAR leader Herron crops up:
    Another fine Nikole H-J O articke June 2009. In a url I posted above she had said something earlier in 2009 that MCSO faced a (iirc) $9M shortfall and very large layoffs. The 2010 Services report details the Spec Investigatilns Unit, which in this url story was apparently threatened with that layoff, (primary special drug investigations), but averted by Union agreement to forgoe COLAS (but not step increases). Idk hiw the Chief Deputy, Business thought COLA omissions for a year would make up that shortfall.

    In any case this agencywide June belt-tightening on the little guy employee is rather silly when in Dec 2009 Staton created a number of new higher level rank positions and promotions. We know Gates go one of those promotions. Did Herron? Those Dec promotions explain incentive to go with Staton rather than Slyter who devised the belt-tightening measures for Skipper.

    Of course the baby went out with the bath, financially, when Kyron was abducted. All that overtime, plus loss by the Cty Comms to hold Staton fiscally accountable. Makes it look like MCSO managers, as an entity, had more financial motibe per se to abduct a child than from a County school a family member.

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