Kyron Horman Missing Case: Terri Horman Breaks Her Silence In People Magazine Interview
New York, NY- For nearly five and a half years Terri Horman has refused to speak publicly about her step-sons case. Outside of one assertion of her innocence while on the stand in a name change hearing she ultimately was denied, Horman did not speak to any reporters or answer any of their questions regarding Kyron Hormans disappearance. Until Now.
Horman courtesy of People
Horman was interviewed by People Magazines Elaine Aradillas for both the print and online editions, and will be doing a series of personal interviews over the next week, to include wwww.blinkoncrime.com.
In the brief online video excerpt , the second part to air on ABC’s Good Morning America Friday morning, Horman maintains she is deaf in her left ear, a critical factor in the outcome of her first polygraph.
“… At what point are Kyron’s biological parents going to realize I don’t have the answers, they need to change this thing around…”
“…There is so much the public is not being told about this investigation, that’s why I am doing this- nobody is looking for Kyron…”
Horman’s interview drew sharp reactions from Kaine Horman and Desiree Young, Kyron’s parents.
“…Why is she silent for 5 1/2 years if she is innocent. I want her to tell me where Kyron is. If she is innocent she should call Multnomah County Sheriffs Office and sit down for an interview…”- Desiree Young
“Hi friends. Yes I am well aware of the tabloid journalism piece in the media today. FYI – there will be more of the same coming Friday
We have a HOST of MCSO and FBI investigators STILL standing by with interviews and polygraphs when someone actually wants to cooperate. FEEL FREE TO STOP BY THEY ARE WAITING!! STILL!! Until then we’ll stick with the scores of people with valid/accurate information and the failed polygraphs as the only actual actions taken to-date. To all of you: how about not linking the article/interview?
REMEMBER KYRON?!?!? This is what we need to be focused on!!
Love you Kyron!!” – Kaine Horman post on his Facebook Page
Christina Stoy, www.blinkoncrime.com Editor In Chief was able to confirm with Ms. Horman directly that she has been willing to meet with Kyron’s investigators both previously and in the future with the sole provision that it be conducted in the presence of her Attorney, Portland criminal defense lawyer Stephen Houze.
Horman went on to say that investigators with the Multnomah County Sheriff’s Office have been well aware of “that” over the last five and a half years and they have never requested an interview. Um, What?
Horman reveals some shocking details about the subsequent polygraphs examinations referenced by Kaine Horman and Desiree Young and other allegations of improper tactics on behalf of MCSO in the second half of her interview to air tomorrow morning on abc’s GMA and on Nightline.
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TMH has this right: “Kyron matters. As does Kitty, James, Quinn and extended family members.”
If one has regained access to that attorney-prohibited computer (per James), it must be awfully hard not to write about a subject one knows intimately while one waits for BOC or any other reporter to publish an interview. I kind of thought B was awaiting some event, like the conclusion of Staton’s investigation. I’m kind of expecting him to be cleared of criminal involvements in a qui pro quo of retirement. I don’t see Kafoury getting appointment rather than election past the ballot box in 2017, so the Commissioners who aren’t running for Mayor need to be hustling for a certified LE residing in the County now who works for Fed or State LE and who can win an election against any mcso Union-endorsed inhouse favorite to get their part(ies) behind. Iirc, Quinn did go to live with mother and wrote a public note praising her last mother’s day. I figured he did that move to Medford because she supported his life choices. I for one hope TMH continues a rigid policy of silence except when speaking thru attorneys or her journalist-reporters of choice. Otherwise, too many beehives to stir up (kooks, bios, youthful detective relentless-aggressive, and so on). And she should pray that B Bell retires.
As far as questions, Blink, in the interview maybe you can clarify who “those” are.
@TMH
If you read here often you know most of us come every day. And our hope is every day is Kyron is found
And concern for you and your Kitty Looking forward to Blinks interview
http://koin.com/2016/02/22/sheriff-staton-use-of-force-assessment-incomplete/
In Feb 2016 Sheriff said “…I didn’t even know the report existed ..” about a report presented to him in August and held for him by his #1 Asst, Lt Harry Smith ( https://www.mcso.us/profiles/pdf/org_chart.pdf )
Staton said in 2012 to Bernstein “Staton said the allegation regarding Reiser was the first he had heard of it.”
http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2012/05/whistle-blowing_lieutenant_sue.html
But it was Staton just prior to Feb 2009 who went directly to Skipper to inform him about his supervisor Elliott’s research on Moore and Reiser.
Does this patently prevaricating type of response remind anyone of a certain Presidential candidate’s press responses when asked similar questions, say about D Duke? “Don’t know anything about that” “never heard of him”
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Skipper wrote mcso was a “paramilitary” agency where personal “loyalty” is rewarded. Staton’s uptick versus Slyter seems to have begun with that “informing” on Elliott to Skipper the first month of 2009.
A veil of silence has fallen over the County Commissioners wrt the Sheriff since CC Loretta Smith was rebuffed after asking him to testify two weeks ago. I personally think it has to do with not wanting to rock the boat for a candidate for Mayor, their former colleague, who was the County Commissioner most intimately involved in promoting Skipper and Staton for Sheriff. Wheeler was County Chair through Skipper’s 2009 tumultous year, and he apparently promoted the appointment of Staton over the way more qualified Slyter, and curiously left for the Treasurer’s office in March 2010, at the same Slyter pulled out of the primary in what seemed to be some sort of political deal.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ted_Wheeler
Skipper indicated in 2009 there were things to remain hidden and off the record in 2009 to anyone outside of mcso.
Yankee faced the same expectation when precluded by Staton from briefing Commissioners. One hidden item was the cost of the Troutdale PD contract. The use of force audit was another thing to remain hidden. Who better situated in 2009 and early 2010 to get at those “hidden” internal mcso problems than County Chair Wheeler? Did he not notice top mgmt disappearing acts like Bishop and Elliott before he left in 3/10? I can only think the 2008 functionally acting Sheriff Slyter briefed him and was rebuffed. Anyway, Wheeler knew ir shoukd have known ghise 2007-2010 mcso hidden things which could back to jeopardize hus mayoral campaign if Commissioners like Smith looked into Sheriff’s Nov 2009-present tenure closely.
Wow
Rose
In reading your link about the hair styling training schools, it reminded me of our oldest daughter who went to high school with the daughter of the owner of a styling school in Houston. They were great friends. As a result of the friendship, both girls took training and worked on Saturdays in the salon. They made a little money and had fun working together. It was not something they wanted to do as a career. However, there are skill benefits from any type of similar training outside of college. The real question is why do such private schools exist? My answer is that a Jr.College or Community College does not attract quality instructors and potential students soon learn of the limitations.
I hope that the investigation into the behaviors of the courts,LE and County Government of Multnomah will produce positive results. If they are half as thorough as you have been in finding information, the people should benefit. As we have discovered, the whole of government in the area is suspect of ignorance and corruption.
I will try again to post. An afternoon thunderstorm a half-hour in length raining at a 10″ per hour rate with hail that was mostly bean size with a few large marble size and some golf ball size knocked out the satellite system.
Re-reading T’s post, I am wondering if you’ll address Blink any speculation T has as to why no genetic parent or extended family has called for the State or Federal govt to take jurisdiction of the investigation?
Rose- lol. You are as tenacious as the day is long(er).
Specific to your question-I would offer TMH is wondering the same thing and her lack of ability to answer that constructively is part of her decision to speak out.
B
I am glad to see TH post a message.
We are all about finding truth and finding Kyron. This of course extends to the other children as well as yourself. This has been a very trying time for all concerned. I and others are proud of the way you have shown great strength in the face of all the hate and what I believe to be LE incompetence and malfeasance of their offices.
IMO you are in good hands with Blink. I pray that the interaction you have with her is beneficial in helping you and the children along with progressing the case to bring Kyron home.
Staton’s apparent practice of demotion for some in rank and pay-PERS, to a punitive position while leapfrogging others, may have reached a comical apex in Bishop-Brosh.
We see here in July 2009 Chief Deputy Bishop, soon to be demoted to Captn by Staton, attending the working group attended in early 2010 by Staton, assisted by (Retd) Slyter, assisted by then Captn Brosh.
https://multco.us/file/30635/download
While Bishop was bumped down by Staton, Brosh was apparently bumped up by 2013 to Chief Deputy (Business).
http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2013/12/multnomah_county_sheriffs_offi_12.html
No surprise then that Brosh had retired by March the following year, imo a sacrificial lamb.
http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2014/05/sparks_fly_as_multnomah_county.html
Some journalist (how bout WW’s Rachel Monahan?) needs to do indepth interviews on Staton’s management style with these formerly high ranking retirees: Slyter, Bishop, Brosh, Elliott, Ritchie and so on. Actually Staton was lucky Yankee sued him so he could get a “no speech about me” clause in her settlement agreement. City attorney should not have given that item up. And someone needs to grill then County Chair Wheeler on his role in selecting Staton over the Undersheriff Slyter, who DID have a certification waiver from the State, to appoint in Nov 2009?
Not to detract from TMH’s appearance, sentiments, or focus, but I feel like a dog with a meaty bone on the internal mcso agency dysfunction in May 2010 just preceding the abduction. Makes one feel some disgruntled or financially motivated employee is as good a perp theory as any other whistle in the dark. This was a very unstable agency which had been rotting from the head for some time–at least the length of Wheeler’s time as a County Commissioner. He’s gotten a press pass it seems, likely because his mayoral rival allegedly has done nothing substantive in his single term.
@TMH
Thank you for your kind words. I second T.Ruth’s “The truth will prevail.” I have a good vibe about that now.
@TMH –
Couldn’t help the tears – and blessings to you, your family, and faithful friends.
A Texas Grandfather says:
March 18, 2016 at 6:34 pm
I am glad to see TH post a message….
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Great post…totally conveyed how I feel.
@ TMH
“Find Kyron First” always. Finding the truth will follow.
I hope a talking toy has finally found it’s child. And a baby girl will know her mother’s voice. It’s always been about the children…
I wish I had that good vibe, but until that mcso fish is gutted, and Admin restaffed top down (a lot must be ready to retire without a shove), I don’t see how the hidden about this investigation by both the mcda and mcso agencies may
become plain, nor the case be turned over to a more experienced agency. It’s clear though Wheeler helped build the House that Needs Cleaning while County Chair, so if he’s elected, a shining Light is further off. On the other hand I never saw enough maturity and accomplisments while a Commissioner to consider his rival a credible choice if I were a resident. Maybe locals know more.
I suppose all saw this:
http://www.oregonlive.com/washingtoncounty/index.ssf/2016/03/sheriffs_sergeant_accused_of_s_1.html#incart_river_mobile_home
Hope mcso shows his 2010 pic to E Mathews.
Who is this?
http://statement-analysis.blogspot.com/2016/03/101-profiling-author-terri-horman.html?m=1
his home is his office it appears; lute on wall and wooden duck head to boot.
an unemployed man recast as a corp consultant?
doesn’t say anything about a PI license or
LE work experience:
https://www.linkedin.com/in/peter-hyatt-48aa5315
Who wrote the Statement he claims is TMH’s writing and subjects to his analysis?
Soldier is publicizing this as though it has value.
I’d say given his re-publication, one hopes with his permission, on a Stalker site, with a spurious writing, he’s a candidate for a cease and desist defamation letter from whoever TMH’s civil attorney is.
OMG that nitwit is back at it. With a full-on promo in the beginning. Talk about an “authors” disinterest in Kyron- The implied premise in that post is that TMH wrote it- when any reasonable person would conclude she absolutely had not. Who does that? This is not a drill. My guess- he manufactured the “article” to google juice his snake oil.
B
Another Question Blink is why the WW has had a complete moratorium on writing on this abduction, from ANY perspective, since WW terminated the primary journalist-investigator on the case as well as their crime & courts beat (J Pitkin)? Why not just ask the business owner(s)? the Editor? Jacquiss? anyone at WW? It really is absurd WW has never offered an explanation of their point-in-time complete blackout on this abduction investigation.
I will take that up up with WW- Pritkin has not responded for years.
B
Rose says:
March 18, 2016 at 2:38 pm
In looking for who was Union President in the period 2009 thru March 2010
~snip
@Rose. Todd Shanks might be who you are looking for?
Todd Shanks President November 2009.
http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2009/11/sheriffs_story_one_of_survival.html
Also,
President November 2008
https://multco.us/elections/november-4-2008-multnomah-county-sheriff-bob-skipper
President July 2007 – The Giusto Investigation – Lots of familiar names
I would guess we have been here before.
http://blog.oregonlive.com/oregonianextra/2008/01/FINAL%20GIUSTO%20Investigative%20Report%20%231%2001%2016%2008.pdf
Currently Vice President
https://multco.us/file/12593/download
Staton can stay out for 4 months
https://multco.us/benefits/family-medical-leave-acts
early July?
Past the primary.
past the 16-17 budget adoption (testimony begins in April).
who will testify about next year’s budget?
(Yankee on leave as well).
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thank you Quizzi.
So Herron and he just reversed positions back in the day?
Apologies in advance if this is out of left field, but this occurred late 2009, and involved the man who previously sought to decertify Guisto. This article was written by Bruce McCain who was Guisto’s “Loyal Soldier” and Staton’s potential opponent in the race for sheriff until McCain dropped out due to lack of support by the corrections union.
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…another scandal erupted in late 2009 that did not get as much attention as Adams’ affair, but like Cogen’s, involved a power boss and a female subordinate. At the time, John Minnis was the appointed Director of the Department of Public Safety Standards and Training, the state agency that trains and certifies law enforcement officers. Minnis was in charge of DPSST when his agency doggedly sought to decertify Bernie Giusto two years earlier. By the end of 2009, Minnis himself, a former Portland Police officer, was facing his own DOJ investigation, loss of his own police certification and public disgrace.
John Minnis was no stranger to politics or government. Minnis spent 27 years with the Portland Police Bureau. He also served in the Oregon legislature as a Republican legislator. Minnis served in the House from 1985 to 1999, rising to chair both Ways and Means and Judiciary committees. Term limits forced Minnis to switch to the Senate, where he served one term from 2000-2004, representing his east Multnomah County district. Though John Minnis served nearly two decades in the Oregon legislature, his wife, Karen, may have had the bigger impact. Karen Minnis served as speaker of the House in 2003 and 2005 and in 2003, the Republican couple were considered Oregon’s most powerful duo in Salem.
In 2004, John Minnis was appointed by Democratic governor Ted Kulongoski to take over DPSST. Some questioned how a retired Portland Police officer could work full time as a PERS employee for DPSST. The answer is because PPB’s retirement system for police and firefighters for those hired when Minnis was hired is not part of PERS, and is therefore not subject to the retirement work restrictions covering PERS retirees. Thus, Minnis was able to pocket his PPB retirement, collect his $120,000 per year DPSST salary, and build on his PERS retirement account that included nearly 20 years in the legislature. But John Minnis was double dipping in places other than the public’s pocketbook.
http://www.victoriataft.com/bruce-mccain-multnomah-county-chair-cogen-uses-sam-adams-playbook/
Here is how WW described the Investigators in August 2010. Kind of places it at the feet of Frink and the East County Major Crimes Team, IMO.
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Fitting Portland’s more self-effacing style, the Kyron investigation has no publicly recognized spokesperson. Multnomah County Sheriff Dan Staton’s shop is nominally in charge of the investigation, but the painfully shy sheriff rarely takes the microphone, preferring to delegate speaking duties to a rotating cadre of command staff. The lead investigator, Sheriff’s Sgt. Lee Gosson, has never even spoken publicly on the case. Despite its low-key style and the fact it’s a relatively small agency, insiders say any suspicion that MCSO could mishandle the case is groundless—it has help from other members of the East County Major Crimes Team, which includes some of the most seasoned detectives in the region. The Multnomah County District Attorney’s Office is also involved in steering the investigation; the person in that office who puts in the most hours on the case is Chief Deputy District Attorney Norm Frink, who likewise has made no public appearances.
http://www.wweek.com/portland/article-12305-the_kyron_files.html
Was in search of DY’s statement about her being glad MCSO had the case. Reread her letter to Kyron.
[why would she need MCSO to release this?]
His mother, Desiree Young, asked the MCSO to release a leter she wrote to her son. It follows:
[is this a typo? Strange if it is not.]
“Your life has been really great and I know that it is done yet.
http://midcountymemo.com/memlog/kyron-hormans-mother-writes-a-letter-to-her-son/
McCain discusses how the “missing child” classification turned the case into a SAR (MCSO) and not a criminal investigation (PPB). He also quoted some of Staton’s regrets, of course McCain would be Staton’s biggest critic.
McCain: Kyron Kops: Confident Yet Clueless (and Raking in the OT)
http://www.victoriataft.com/mccain-kyron-kops-confident-yet-clueless-and-raking-in-the-ot-2/
@Quizzi. imo Shanks doesn’t look good in the Guisto investigation transcript. Didn’t want to aid the investigation. said Union members fearing retaliation should fend for themselves with an attorney.
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Here Kafoury celebrates Herron/Shanks et al, not only Enforcement-side Union officials but brothers on River Patrol:
https://multco.us/multnomah-county/news/meet-winners-2015-employee-awards
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the Skipper kingmakers in Nov 08:
https://multco.us/elections/november-4-2008-multnomah-county-sheriff-bob-skipper
I had no idea Skipper would never get a cert waiver after 12 yrs out til I read up, but any of these kingmakers from Shrunk to Wheeler shoukd’ve known the law and prior precedent, and dissuaded Skipper from his hapless venture.
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under Guisto, here’s exactly what the (unfounded) concern was with Staton — use of Fed or State search databases on a political opponent — only Guisto was never investigated criminally for it
His complaint was lodged with Safety Standards & Training, not OR DOJ.
Imo there is more here than meets the eye in the Underhill-Kafoury referral to the OR DOJ, criminal division.
http://www.oregonlive.com/special/index.ssf/2008/02/sheriff_ordered_look_at_accuse.html
(journalist must be a NYTimes scion)
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The County Chair referring complaints about Staton to DOJ is rather interesting, because none of the complained of activities rise to a criminal violation to me. Just enough to threaten Staton, but not a beyond a reasonable doubt charge.
As in the Guisto matter, the proper investigatory body seems to be State Standards and Training or whatever the name of the OR Fair Labor Standards investigatory body is–Ritchie’s second complaint avenue which I believe another deputy (Rod something?) used with success. Because the investigation should be a broad management analysis. That is, Kafoury needed to order an Independent Audit of the agency.
Many major cities have created a highly skilled Independent auditor job, but it takes a City Manager. Here’s an example: https://www.fresno.gov/NR/rdonlyres/6BF09CD7-1CF7-454A-9F72-C410A375293F/13023/IPAFAQs.pdf
Last sentence about the only interest group in opposition is amusing.
@Rose I came across that strange analyst on WWS yesterday. But soon found some minor mistakes And decided
The Soldier was writing some nonsense again
http://www.naimhasanphotography.com/Client-Photo-Albums/Loretta-Smith-Dan-Staton-Campa/
joint Smith – Staton campaign event
Underhill attending. Staton looks ill imo.
It seems what Staton & Smith shared was the same 2010 campaign manager
https://www.linkedin.com/in/carolwessinger
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The Smith – Staton campaign interests apparently continue at a Bailey for Mayor event.
http://koin.com/2016/01/09/jules-bailey-kicks-off-campaign-for-portland-mayor/
Rose
I am glad to see you take a good look at the role unions have and are playing in the offices of MCSO as well as other agencies This type of arraignment puts the union in between the government and the people.
The founders never intended such an situation in their design. Therefore, IMO unions should not be allowed to represent workers in any government function, be it local, state or federal.
OT @ATG. Thank you, but I am as an adult (not as a youthful right wing Republican) a strong believer in what Unions have done for the American worker, and there is no reason my historical and current family of diverse govt workers should lack unified bargaining power if they chose it. I didn’t like when I was required to join. But in certain areas unions have been mob dominated. Idk if that is Portland’s history, but in Oregon they have outsized political power and seem to determine which incompetents or potentially corrupt officials hold office. That is the fault not of the Unions but of the 2 political parties and the voters. Certainly mcso seems to have been adversely affected for decades.
http://www.wweek.com/2016/03/19/deborah-kafoury-portland-has-a-false-sense-of-success-as-a-green-city/
Staton came to work to attend the Chair’s State of the County speech. Sounds like she’s chosen such public remarks to make political hay wrt MCSO. If the Chair does not look at the totality of management procedures, but focuses on songle hot button issues with say racial constituent appeal, the agency will not progress for its prisoners, or hardworking deputies.
Back to that contract between PPS & PPB. (btw, I meant threw out the window, not through, sorry)
Can anyone find that contract again? I remember seeing it, was the link lost with the DAD threads?
Why would both PPS & PPB allow that contract to be broken by an intrusive MCSO? Would not both parties to the contract have to have given their permission to breach it? The Chief of Police, then a new one, just like Staton, Mike Reese (and/or then Mayor Sam Adams, who was ultimately in charge of PPB) and the PPS Superintendent, Carole Smith, would have to have come to a joint decision that this case would be best handled by MCSO, no? Was that decision made, simply because they all thought Kyron had wandered off on his own, and MCSO had better SAR capabilities? If so, then why wasn’t this case then handed back to PPB, when within days, it was determined that Kyron had not run off and it was determined there was a crime committed?
(Rose has me wondering about this scenario again.)
Here’s the safety response plan from 2012 for PPS, and it’s still the PPB who should have been handling this case, so why didn’t they?
http://www.oregonschoolpra.org/sites/oregonschoolpra.org/files/File/Portland-SERP-Final-050712-FINAL-Humboldt.pdf
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There were sure a whole lot changes going on in LE, in May 2010:
Portland Mayor Sam Adams names new police chief, boots Rosie Sizer
By Janie Har | jhar@oregonian.com
on May 12, 2010 at 10:30 PM, updated May 13, 2010 at 7:10 AM
Portland Police Chief Rosie Sizer was attending a meeting in City Hall on Wednesday morning when she was paged. Mayor Sam Adams wanted to meet with her at 11:30 a.m.
Back in her office at 11:10 a.m., Sizer was approached by an assistant chief who said an officer had told him the mayor planned to name Mike Reese as the new police chief.
After four years, Sizer was out.
(snipped)
Test confirmed.
B
@erose says:
March 19, 2016 at 4:59 am
She implied that in her radio broadcast on Jefferson Public Radio, saying how happy she was with the investigation, but upset that Terri hadn’t been arrested. Or similar.
Thanks for your reply Rose.
I understand the position you have taken. In non right to work states, there is zero choice of not joining a union. I have little problem with trade unions where they have to bargain with business management. In government, unions are bargaining with the government management people and the tax payer is not at the table. Government management has little interest in making quality bargaining decisions because they are not going to be adversely affected by the costs of salaries or work rules.
In a recent court decision, a group of Oregon voters have won a case regarding convoluted language by the state AG in a ballot issue for not hiring illegals. There is hope that the people can force government to listen and do the right thing. Not easy,but possible.
I know this is not the contract, but Rose made a reference to Portland Rules & Regs page 218. Now you have to sign in to get on their webpage.
Rose says:
September 9, 2012 at 10:00 pm
The List from Scared Monkeys:
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=9183.0
@ erose. it looks to me from last paragr p218 of PPB Rules & Regs they had jurisdiction on the grounds of any Portland Public School (idk what Distr 1 means) if it is declared a crime scene. Which may be one reason mcso waited to declare a crime. And I don’t remember mcso calling the school a crime scene. And it’s a good reason to
label the case custodial interference and so on. Otherwise, imo PPB can assert jurisdiction. Maybe the DA thinks mcso is more mallable & respectful of him than PPB homicide detectives.
http://blinkoncrime.com/2012/09/07/kyron-horman-disappearance-exclusive-three-part-series-debuts-on-blink-on-crime/comment-page-2/
Rose says:
September 9, 2012 at 5:17 pm
last paragr typed p 218 re PPB jurisdiction:
http://www.portlandonline.com/police/index.cfm?a=112752&c=41955#page14
(btw custodial interference is p 214. Hope Mrs Young filed a police report with PPB at some point.)
Dead link KATU June 4 article claims both agencies (without stating jurisdiction) were on the scene. It further states the sheriff’s office on behalf of stepmother and PPB on behalf of the teacher, as if the two departments were conducting separate investigations.
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The Multnomah County Sheriff’s Office and the Portland Police Bureau have been on the scene searching for the boy since early Friday evening and have been calling the boy’s name in the area of the school.
According to the sheriff’s office, the stepmother saw the boy walking toward his classroom as she left the building but officials with Portland Public Schools said Horman’s teacher never saw him in class which started at 10 a.m. The teacher marked him absent.
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=8073.0
KGW (June 4) has PPB as first responders.
kgw.com
Posted on June 4, 2010 at 11:37 PM
As many as 15 Portland police officers were the first responders, Gates said. They searched the school grounds and immediate area without finding the child. The scope of the search and investigation was then quickly widened.
That first search included police bureau dogs who sniffed areas of the building where the boy might have been hidden from view. The roof was also searched, he said.
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=8073.0
Same KGW article linked above, where the case was upgraded to MCT. That must have been the point (eve of June 4th/morn of June 5) of the parallel criminal investigation and PPB was out and MCT were in.
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Police upgraded the case overnight to a Major Crime Teams investigation to allow more police resources to be tapped, said Multnomah County Sheriff’s Office spokeswoman Lt. Mary Lindstrand.
Staff of the FBI, the Oregon State Police, the Multnomah County Sheriff’s Office, Portland Gresham and Fairview police were searching area of the school, which is on NW Skyline Blvd. just east of NW Cornelius Pass Road. Canine units and search and rescue organizations have also been called out, she said.
Authorities upgrade search for missing Portland boy to major crimes investigation
By Allan Brettman, The Oregonian
June 05, 2010, 9:37AM
Portland police responded to initial reports of the missing boy, then handed the case to the sheriff’s office, which has jurisdiction in unincorporated areas of the county.
Same link as above.
Even though MCT were brought in overnight, KPTV reports sheriff’s office reports still classified as missing person case.
Saturday, June 5, 2010:
Noon: The sheriff’s office holds a news conference. A sheriff’s spokesman says the search for Kyron is still a missing person case and not a criminal investigation. He asks that civilian volunteers stay away from the search area to allow for the police agencies to conduct an efficient search.
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=8073.20
Rose says:
March 18, 2016 at 10:25 pm
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Peter Hyatt is a fraud. I don’t care who he studied with for any professional credential. I don’t care if he has 70 college degrees. The poor dear seems to think he’s on to something and he has a flock of Terri-hatin’ ladies lapping it up.
Oy.
B
Have remembered that I never did ask this question (although most likely it has been answered):
What was it, in June 2010, that MCSO saw or learned or found that made them decide that Kyron’s disappearance was a “criminal” matter instead of a search for a lost child?
In other words, I certainly hope it was not just a matter of some dude on the force saying to another dude on the force, “Because Stepmother.”
“PORTLAND, Ore. — Authorities said the leads they’ve collected support a local, not national, search for a 7-year-old boy who has been missing for five days.
Multnomah Sheriff’s Capt. Jason Gates met with members of the media again Tuesday afternoon and called the disappearance of Kyron Horman an isolated case. He also clarified a remark made at an earlier news conference by Skyline Elementary Principal Ben Keefer, who said he couldn’t comment on “an ongoing criminal investigation.”
Gates called the remark a “grammatical error.”
(Original KATU presser report is gone.)
http://blinkoncrime.com/2012/11/27/kyron-horman-missing-civil-suit-against-terri-horman-delayed-and-sealed/comment-page-57/
It was June 8th, when Keefer slipped up, but I believe it wasn’t until June 11 when MCSO finally admitted it was a criminal investigation.
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So anywho, why if it was now a criminal investigation, and PPS & PPB had a contract that PPB would handle such an investigation, wasn’t it immediately transferred to PPB? I don’t know if it would have made any difference, but I’d like at least one reporter to have asked both PPB and PPS why that was not done?
Absolutely agree.
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There’s at least one reporter with the Oregonian who reports on all items dealing with PPS. This should have been investigated by her/him.
PPS is not some entity that has the legal ability to simply make up their own rules as they go along, the Super and the School Board should have been questioned as to why PPS was proceeding in a manner other than is stated in their own policies and procedure manuals. And why did PPB not insist on taking over, as it is, according to those policies and procedures, their responsibility to do so? Who was intervening for MCSO to retain this case? I’d sure like to know how all this came down.
This was beyond my phone finger, so went to computer to respond. Actually I have no Word or doc program, so just sending to my phone and trying to post from there.
from: http://blinkoncrime.com/2016/01/21/kyron-horman-missing-case-terri-horman-breaks-her-silence-in-people-magazine-interview/#comments
erose says: March 19, 2016 at 4:54 am snip Here is how WW described the Investigators in August 2010. Kind of places it at the feet of Frink and the East County Major Crimes Team, IMO. snip> “… but the painfully shy sheriff rarely takes the microphone, preferring to delegate speaking duties to a rotating cadre of command staff. The lead investigator, Sheriff’s Sgt. Lee Gosson, has never even spoken publicly on the case. Despite its low-key style and the fact it’s a relatively small agency, insiders say any suspicion that MCSO could mishandle the case is groundless—it has help from other members of the East County Major Crimes Team, which includes some of the most seasoned detectives in the region. The Multnomah County District Attorney’s Office is also involved in steering the investigation; the person in that office who puts in the most hours on the case is Chief Deputy District Attorney Norm Frink, who likewise has made no public appearances.” http://www.wweek.com/portland/article-12305-the_kyron_files.html
My thought is Staton as painfully shy? He’s appeared at numerous community events as a spokesperson documented in the Green Hornet. Gossom never spoke? (We’ve since learned Staton tells his supervisee Chief Deputies, Captns, and Lts not to talk to outsiders. Right now he’s letting Commdr Gates testify on admin matters.) And iirc in the mcso history accounts, mcso created that E Cty Major Crimes Team and led it.
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erose says: March 19, 2016 at 4:59 am snip Reread her letter to Kyron. [why would she need MCSO to release this?]
http://midcountymemo.com/memlog/kyron-hormans-mother-writes-a-letter-to-her-son/ Imo this letter was written to the abductor who presumeably in mcso’s eyes held a live Kyron in hopes of emotional suasion to release him.
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@ T. Ruth says: March 19, 2016 at 2:04 pm
Can anyone find that contract again? I remember seeing it, was the link lost with the DAD threads? Why would both PPS & PPB allow that contract to be broken by an intrusive MCSO? Would not both parties to the contract have to have given their permission to breach it? The Chief of Police, then a new one, just like Staton, Mike Reese (and/or then Mayor Sam Adams, who was ultimately in charge of PPB) and the PPS Superintendent, Carole Smith, would have to have come to a joint decision that this case would be best handled by MCSO, no? Was that decision made, simply because they all thought Kyron had wandered off on his own, and MCSO had better SAR capabilities? If so, then why wasn’t this case then handed back to PPB, when within days, it was determined that Kyron had not run off and it was determined there was a crime committed?
(Rose has me wondering about this scenario again.)
Here’s the safety response plan from 2012 for PPS, and it’s still the PPB who should have been handling this case, so why didn’t they?
http://www.oregonschoolpra.org/sites/oregonschoolpra.org/files/File/Portland-SERP-Final-050712-FINAL-Humboldt.pdf
There were sure a whole lot changes going on in LE, in May 2010:
Portland Mayor Sam Adams names new police chief, boots Rosie Sizer
By Janie Har | jhar@oregonian.com
on May 12, 2010 at 10:30 PM, updated May 13, 2010 at 7:10 AM
Portland Police Chief Rosie Sizer was attending a meeting in City Hall on Wednesday morning when she was paged. Mayor Sam Adams wanted to meet with her at 11:30 a.m. Back in her office at 11:10 a.m., Sizer was approached by an assistant chief who said an officer had told him the mayor planned to name Mike Reese as the new police chief. After four years, Sizer was out.
@ Truth in response, I misspoke, it was not a contract as such but was entitled “Interagency Agreement” (tho that is a contract) and was form-like in the form of other Interagency Agreements. I don’t remember it was anything but year to year so probably executed in 2009. It was between the City (on behalf of PPB) and PPS, and used boilerplate language on the “form” whose main purpose seemed to be to allocate costs (what PPS would pay PPB for the PPB service). It clearly stated LE jurisdiction, on all school property wherever located, belonged to PPB. For that PPB was to be remunerated and a sum for tge year was specified. I do not remember that MCSO was a signatory to the Interagency Agreement but might have been.
I found it early on. Of course the next time I went back (imo before the DAD thread), it was gone, pulled from the internet. Many things likewise have disappeared or appeared (like back Green Hornets) after a mention in BOC. I spent many hours reading every BOC thread to the beginning to find that Agreement and never did. The closest I came was maybe Erose’s Rules and Regs finding, but that is not the actual Interagency Agreement I saw.
However, any enterprising reporter ought to be able to get it from the City Attorney’s office (I assume they rep PPB in Interagency Agreements) or that Jolene Patterson, PPS’ LC and Smith’s righthand sharp elbow, although she would stonewall if she could unless there is a Court rtk Order for the doc.
This IA was not directed merely at the shifting sands of Resource Officers over that time period.
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I do not think it matters, because the abductor sure didn’t know about it, and given the internal turnovers probably no one in place on June 4 in mcso, ppb, pps, the mayor’s office, or so on knew about it or even thought for one sec to check jurisdiction.
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Having found what I recently posted and linked above to the 2007 grant that secured a mobile “incident” communications center to serve the region, which then Lt Gates was the contact for, and we were told in a link by TRuth a press member was told he was “incident commander,” compliant with the National Incident Mgmt program but in mcso’s case associated with the SAR deputies and program, and needing to try out its new toy, I have no doubt whatsoever that after the script TRuth or erose or someone recently posted that PPB did respond as they jurisdictionally should, they swept the building with dogs (searching no doubt for a live Kyron), and then that article said turned over the premises and jurisdiction Friday evening to MCSO to carry on, believing at that point it was a runaway or lost child in need of that spiffy new SAR incident command center the grant had paid for. And, no one ever looked back. Would newbie Reese let his detectives later take over a crime scene and criminal school-based investigation so mishandled by mcso with so much else on his plate (feds re mentally ill, use of force for ex)? Of course not. And at heart, too, Desiree believes this is primarily a “Search,” so the Youngs were always gungho the SAR resources.
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Wasn’t Smith relatively new and came from a Contractor with PPS? She wouldn’t know of Interagency policing agreements imo.
But, as far as C Smith and PPS, TRuth, I would guess as signatory to an Interagency Agreement between PPS and PPB, she could waive it for this investigation in favor of MCSO with PPS’ agreement (and of course PPB would agree). Why would she do that? PPS in the Supt’s and employees’ hearts were also victims.
Their best hope was that this was a lost or runaway boy or one whom a huge SAR effort could recover. So, whether or not that Interagency agreement was waived orally or in writing by PPS and PPB would be something for another RTK FOIA (again, not expecting information of any kind to come from J Patterson unless under court order).
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This is really all quite fascinating.
–The 3 yr Commissioner and County Chair Wheeler does a bunk in March for State Office.
–C Chair taking over is characterized by an empliyee lover as a daily drug user (mj and at times more).
–Portland’s police chief turns over in mid-May.
–New dippy Mayor.
–But the crux is MCSO:
mid 2009, Unions (Shanks/Herron on Enforcement side) are threatened with elimination of special drug unit (going after meth and big level dealors), but temporarily staved off by foregoing colas. Unhappy ranks.
Skipper disappear altogether for 4 months (and fails at his task) while being covered by Slyter.
By Nov an internal tattletale (on Elliott) and defender of the uncertified (Moore) and their methods (Reiser), Staton, promotes up 3 levels to Sheriff (thank you Wheeler) and immediately eliminates Undersheriff Slyter’s job, who retires; pushes the Chief Deputy over Business down a rank and ships him to Inverness; elevates his underling Brosh a rank to handle Business (then makes his life such hell apparently by 2013 such that he retires in 2014).
So, the head of Business who’d know about these Interagency Agreements in June 2010 is gone. The Undersheriff Slyter who’d know about Interagency Agreements is gone by June 2010. Staton has shifted Corrections (Rieser?) to Enforcement to replace B Elliott (so Reiser wouldn’t know, and Elliott is sidelined). In sum, Staton had denuded MCSO of all its seasoned personnel who’d know a darn thing about PPB’s jurisdiction over Skyline Elementary and ITS GROUNDS.
And, he’d had some folks on the financial ropes from loss of COLAS and promotions (except for those loyal to Staton who made Captain, like Gates), who were EAGER for overtime. After all less than six months before when a major deputy unit (SIU, drug honchos) were threatened with elimination with all seriousness.
And where were Kafoury, Smith etc? Campaign Fundraising and going to photo ops with Staton. Incestuous bunch imo.
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imo It is entirely reasonable to say something that should have been ruled out, and MCSO will never be in a position to do so, given the internal severe conflicts of interest that existed on 6/4/10 as now, is that the abductor, who skillfully planned but we do not know if Kyron was pretargeted or just stood out for his CSI shirt (the irony) and vulnerabilities,
may have struck for one of two reasons:
l. say he ran a major drug or meth ring or operation. The Press was full of MCSO’s budget shortfall, the intent to close the SIU that bedeviled and threatened operations like his, and its short-term salvation by foregoing colas (which govt employees NEVER agree to, so how did Herron get that thru?).
There was incentive for any significant County drug operation to force MCSO to expend monies on a major project (abducted child from a school in a rough and impenetrable terrain) to further decimate their budget.
2. many have mentioned the funeral or whatever going on that morning in a nearby town which drew all the LE and firefighters in respect. That any member of County LE or firefighters would have seen the opportunity for abduction.
a) for self gratification or
b) as a disgruntled vengeful employee. Seems to me many MCSO deputies had good cause to feel vengeful and disgruntled as a result of the period between Skipper’s election in 2008, the consequent agency instability, the belt-tightening, and the mismanagement right on up to June 4, 2010 (and obviously beyond). So, a member of a County LE or firefighting agency is as good a theory as Terri or better, imo.
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As far as Kaine not advocating for a real investigation by a seasoned, experienced agency with this type abduction from June 4 to the present, he has obviously had many conflicts of interest. But, I am wondering recently if he continues to be “advised” by his employer’s legal dept employees in any way. Intel as a corporation would not rock any boats with MCSO in my opinion.
One disadvantage all of us except Blink have is that all of our analytic resources are secondary local press, and bio appearances, apart from Blink. The first, local press & TV “personalities,” often get facts incorrectly, are shallow or self-interested, or rely on single sources particularly bios; apart from the few meteors who blaze thru & leave town (the new journalist female from Columbia or Brown who left; the new grad Nikole Hannah-? who left; Pitkin etc). And the second, bios who have incomplete information or were given disinformation, and who have conflicts of interest.
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With that disclaimer, Jacquiss of WW was indirectly helpful to me with yesterday’s article on 3 Dems vieing for Sec of State in the Dem primary. I realized why Kafoury/Underhill did the safe criminal referral to Ellen rather than a referral to the Labor Commissioner about those workplace complaints by Yankee, Ritchie, Lamb, Rhea ?, and so on.
The Labor Commissioner is avakian, he of the publicity-ridden mega-fine on the Sweet Cakes small business, also funded in his campaign by a DC based Union. Not only is he a Dem party “uncontrollable wild card” behaviorally, his two very credible, if not more credible, opponents are longtime Legislative leaders. imo No way Gov K Brown and her County allies like Kafoury would let Avakian get his mitts on a big time Sheriff-investigation free publicity just before the May primary. So imo Ellen is the quiet (it’s a criminal investigation) crowdpleaser. However, after the tort, Ritchie filed a BOLI there, so Avakian can still make political hay if he choses over the 2 legislators.
I appreciate another fascinating tidbit TRuth, based on what we now know
you posted at http://blinkoncrime.com/2016/01/21/kyron-horman-missing-case-terri-horman-breaks-her-silence-in-people-magazine-interview/comment-page-31/#comment-2252572
“TRuth says: March 20, 2016 at 12:55 pm snip
“PORTLAND, Ore. — Authorities said the leads they’ve collected support a local, not national, search for a 7-year-old boy who has been missing for five days. Multnomah Sheriff’s Capt. Jason Gates met with members of the media again Tuesday afternoon and called the disappearance of Kyron Horman an isolated case. He also clarified a remark made at an earlier news conference by Skyline Elementary Principal Ben Keefer, who said he couldn’t comment on “an ongoing criminal investigation.”
Gates called the remark a “grammatical error.” (Original KATU presser report is gone.)
http://blinkoncrime.com/2012/11/27/kyron-horman-missing-civil-suit-against-terri-horman-delayed-and-sealed/comment-page-57/
It was June 8th, when Keefer slipped up, but I believe it wasn’t until June 11 when MCSO finally admitted it was a criminal investigation.”
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We know now from several high level employees Staton only allowed thise in “spokesperson” roles who said what he directed AND WHOM HE TRUSTED whether to the public, Commissioners, or County staff. Here is a clearcut example of Gates being an untruthful spokesperson on this issue wrt information Keefer had been told.
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What we didn’t know in June 2010 was that Gates had only recently made Captn (Dec 2009) as part of a bubble of promotions that month of the presumeably loyal. I am curious about his assignments as Lt under Skipper/Slyter and under Guisto as Sgt. Was he in Corrections, River Patrol, on the HAZMAT Team that deconstructed meth labs, on SIU,? how did he morph from Dec 09 in 3 months to being a playah on the uptick en route to Commander testifying before C C’s at present?
County Commissioners need a full-throated independent audit of
mcso, not just budget & expenditures, but the old Fed GAO-style
management procedures. And an independent personnel desk
audit of all categories ranks and job types. And the Unions ought to be for that.
@ erose says:
March 19, 2016 at 9:50 pm
We know know that spokesperson, who since Nov 2009 has kissed both cheeks (and who knows where, figuratively speaking) of the Sherrif went on like Gates to a rank promotion, and Corrections which is the Chief Deputy pathway. Another loyal cuties.
Btw the lady apparently Staton’s wife in the campaign pics at Staton-Smith’s joint campaign “Do,” appeared in photos
to be smart, pretty, energetic, and classy. I hope since his injury she’s gotten him into therapy, and that this management challenge mess works out to improve the lot of all family members.
@NelMel wrt “What was it, in June 2010, that MCSO saw or learned or found that made them decide that Kyron’s disappearance was a “criminal” matter instead of a search for a lost child?”
How about in 4 days they hadn’t found the lost, wandering rinaway, despite a State of the art, grant funded, regional incident command center and beaucoup regional LE and civilian SAR searchers?
My vote goes to the County Sheriff (was it Klamath) SAR team who took one look at the crime scene that Friday night and turned around and went home due to the chaotic command situation.
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TRuth, I speculate that if Supt Smith took a common-sense mgmt approach and seized direction of ppb/mcso wrt acknowledging a child abduction had likely occurred during a PPS open (doors) house, and required investigatong his whereabouts consistant with that probability, the initial investigation might have been very different. She’s no dummy, but her head was in the sand that Friday night; a passive player imo, maybe at a principals’ campfire.