Kyron Horman Missing Case: Terri Horman Breaks Her Silence In People Magazine Interview
New York, NY- For nearly five and a half years Terri Horman has refused to speak publicly about her step-sons case. Outside of one assertion of her innocence while on the stand in a name change hearing she ultimately was denied, Horman did not speak to any reporters or answer any of their questions regarding Kyron Hormans disappearance. Until Now.
Horman courtesy of People
Horman was interviewed by People Magazines Elaine Aradillas for both the print and online editions, and will be doing a series of personal interviews over the next week, to include wwww.blinkoncrime.com.
In the brief online video excerpt , the second part to air on ABC’s Good Morning America Friday morning, Horman maintains she is deaf in her left ear, a critical factor in the outcome of her first polygraph.
“… At what point are Kyron’s biological parents going to realize I don’t have the answers, they need to change this thing around…”
“…There is so much the public is not being told about this investigation, that’s why I am doing this- nobody is looking for Kyron…”
Horman’s interview drew sharp reactions from Kaine Horman and Desiree Young, Kyron’s parents.
“…Why is she silent for 5 1/2 years if she is innocent. I want her to tell me where Kyron is. If she is innocent she should call Multnomah County Sheriffs Office and sit down for an interview…”- Desiree Young
“Hi friends. Yes I am well aware of the tabloid journalism piece in the media today. FYI – there will be more of the same coming Friday
We have a HOST of MCSO and FBI investigators STILL standing by with interviews and polygraphs when someone actually wants to cooperate. FEEL FREE TO STOP BY THEY ARE WAITING!! STILL!! Until then we’ll stick with the scores of people with valid/accurate information and the failed polygraphs as the only actual actions taken to-date. To all of you: how about not linking the article/interview?
REMEMBER KYRON?!?!? This is what we need to be focused on!!
Love you Kyron!!” – Kaine Horman post on his Facebook Page
Christina Stoy, www.blinkoncrime.com Editor In Chief was able to confirm with Ms. Horman directly that she has been willing to meet with Kyron’s investigators both previously and in the future with the sole provision that it be conducted in the presence of her Attorney, Portland criminal defense lawyer Stephen Houze.
Horman went on to say that investigators with the Multnomah County Sheriff’s Office have been well aware of “that” over the last five and a half years and they have never requested an interview. Um, What?
Horman reveals some shocking details about the subsequent polygraphs examinations referenced by Kaine Horman and Desiree Young and other allegations of improper tactics on behalf of MCSO in the second half of her interview to air tomorrow morning on abc’s GMA and on Nightline.
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And one of them was the PIO in 2010-11 putting out
X$LX at public briefings on the Horman case. And apparently
continuing that tack with Commissioners
Actually while one held the title PIO, the other appearing in a succession lead at present was a primary public spokesman and corrected Keefer. BTW what kind of a single telephone tip woukd redirect 13 days of search focus? http://www.opb.org/news/article/police-change-focus-search-missing-seven-year-old/
Rose
It may be more than just a County Charter that prevents an appointed sheriff. It may also be state law that the sheriff of each county must be elected. I haven’t checked the state criminal laws or local code for that requirement.
There may be some legal relief to the citizens to provide an interim sheriff in a county where the elected official has major problems fulfilling the office.
The County DA may,as you point out, be in protect your staff mode for those that have been involved in some of the cases where MCSO people are or will be investigated.
Blink
In regard to the CLI Certification, the stats I quoted may be a little out of date or it may indicate how few have actually made it through the training and testing to the final three year practice period.
Many organizations require training, testing and then practice for a period of time prior to being given a certificate. This is the way it is done for professional engineers. They also are required to have recommendations from three practicing registered engineers.
I asked myself the question, in june 2010,
What press articles were reliant on or focused on Gates as the mcso primary spokesperson or source of facts on Horman case?
(Aside: I learned on Fri nite June 4, Lt Lindstrand, PIO, arrived at school at 8:15 & talked to those present, even before SAR Coordinator Herron got there! Talk about mcso priorities, and who got the first impressions in interviews of family and employees at theschool. Thus leads me to further wonder why the then PIO did not play a more prominant briefing role rather than Gates the incident commander who shoukd gave had the first 2 weeks? Could it be she kept right on interviewing Skyljne children and Sci Fair attendees after her Friday night start?
http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/06/kyron_horman_chronology_of_eve.html )
June 7 “incident commander”
http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/06/kyron_horman_search_attracts_1.html
June 8, O
isolated case
no evidence of a crime
http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/06/kyron_hormans_disappearance_be.html
June 9, O
A deputy of few details
http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/06/kyron_horman_search_enters_sev.html
June 13
Search wraps up
“Jason Gates declined to say whether authorities are considering Kyron’s disappearance a kidnapping.”
http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/06/kyron_horman_search_wraps_up_a.html
June 17
appointed interim Sheriff
https://multco.us/file/23531/download
june 18, O
distributes Terri photo & storyline
http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/06/police_issue_questionnaire_ask.html
have to do others things & return to this project after 11.
@Rose, so long as you’re pointing out Lindstrand as being the early PIO, I can tell you for a fact, that there was a media clip (can’t remember which outlet ran it, but it was her, I want to say KATU, but not sure) stating that Kyron was afraid of the police. Something about how his name was being called, trying not to sound threatening or some such.
Suddenly the next week or so, I’m reading that Kyron wants to be a police detective when he grows up, according to his bios. So why on earth would he be afraid of the police and where did the information Lindstrand was broadcasting on television come from? Who told her that Kyron was afraid of the police? Been a question of mine since very early on. Made zero sense then, makes zero sense now. And again, not one reporter bothered to ask this question, at least not that I heard anyway.
http://blinkoncrime.com/2012/11/27/kyron-horman-missing-civil-suit-against-terri-horman-delayed-and-sealed/comment-page-47/
(P.S. I’m not crazy it was out there and pulled.)
OT
nice article on the mindset and motivations of a bullshitter, whether an mcso sheriff, an OR media article, or a Pres candidate:
http://www.stoa.org.uk/topics/bullshit/pdf/on-bullshit.pdf
analogous to, but not quite equivalent with, humbug, the latter being a little more acceptable, it seems.
That takes me back to COMP class, lol.
B
last article phrase: “Facts about ourselves are not peculiarly solid and resistant to skeptical dissolution. Our natures are, indeed, elusively insubstantialnotoriously less stable and less
inherent than the natures of other things. And insofar as this is the case, sincerity itself is bullshit.”
So it really doesn’t matter if the two bios, the Sheriff, the DA, or others such as Soldier and her followers are sincere in the matter of “Finding Kyron.” We can agree they are sincere. the question is whether any of their proclamations are congruent with the truth of the abduction.
@ATG. The County can change the Charter to appointive and did so once before.
June 9 cbs
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/kyron-horman-update-cops-not-giving-up-hope-as-search-enters-fifth-day/
Gates avers investivation is not criminal
says search is over at the end of the week
“Gates said nearly all of the students at the school have been interviewed, as well as the majority of the faculty and staff.”
imo “nearly all” and “a majority” on the 5th day is Humbug.
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June 14 O
http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/06/kyron_hormans_disappearance_ca.html
back to reinterviewing students, staff, parents
Interesting Gates incident commander directed reinterviews of all before finishing the first go round.
OT
the O’s titillating derail of Bailey stuff
http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2016/03/jules_bailey_says_he_didnt_use.html#incart_river_mobile_home
IDK a out the mayor of portland, or Bailey,
except insofar as he is supposed to br in his first Cth Comm term holding Sheriff of bis County mcso accountable on management and budget:
It seems his benefactor payor moved around a lot:
at least in its short incororated life,
at least 3 addresses
2011 1707 N NW
http://media.oregonlive.com/portland_impact/other/Jules%20Bailey.pdf
1757 N NW
http://nonprofits.findthecompany.com/l/1769649/Clean-Economy-Development-Center
1001 Conn NW
http://m.yp.com/washington-dc/mip/clean-economy-development-center-472274611
1210 Mass NW
http://www.cleaneconomycenter.org/content/tools
1840 Vermont NW
Clean economy development center dc
however its tax deductibke life lasted only say 4 years of which 3 it failed to file irs reports
http://www.guidestar.org/profile/27-1762207
looks like their main 2012 targets were Philadelphia and the Gulf (imo New Orleans)
Is this Bailey’s out of State consulting?
who connected him with this yearly pay ecogroup 5 years ago? Cylvia? One sees why Kafoury endorsed him.
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imo if the 2 bios won’t right the investigation ship, what’s left but political change. And Staton sailed into Bailey’s safe harbor by last January.
Ran across this (thought of Kyron) and felt metaphorical hope that this case is about to thaw and come to life.
TREE FROGS FREEZE DURING WINTERS AND THAW IN SUMMERS
To survive through winters, tree frogs “freeze” and come back to life as soon as spring arrives. Commonly known as estivation, this technique includes finding a crevice and building a cocoon around their body, leaving only the nostrils exposed.
http://www.msn.com/en-us/lifestyle/pets/50-weird-facts-about-well-known-animals/ss-BBr2HCT#image=47
I just love this erose.
B
this site reprints a katu article from 6/5.
http://projectjason.org/forums/topic/2210-missing-boy-kyron-horman-or-642010/
It references who was present Friday night, tho not in what order. The O timeline had PIO Lindstrand at Skyline at 8:15 pm and Herron, called a SAR Coord, arrived 15 minutes later ( my antique & thus now unreliable memory recalls perhaps incorrectly).
Taken together with this article, it sounds like MCSO was the first responder and called in PPB to handle the building search, likely due to PPB’s PPS property jurisdiction.
Matt Shelby speaking for PPS represented on 6/5 to katu that Kyron never checked back in with his teacher, and “no staff saw him” after 8:45. Looks to me like it was Shelby with PPS who threw Terri under the bus as quickly as 6/5. The East County Major Crimes Team was brought in that Friday night.
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On June 12 Cogen’s quote sounds like he’s vegged out and thus incapable of a real conversation with the Sheriff about “the investigation.”
A Kafoury (is she related?) has the quote why would they pour those search resources into Sauvie without reason?
http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/06/kyron_horman_search_begins_nin.html
The O repeatedly reads after June 4 that Olsen was head of this Search. (I thought she was in the Patrol Division.)
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July 22 p 3 of 7, next to last paragraph: Schrunk outlines the personnel he’s assigned for the preceding 1-3/4 months
https://multco.us/file/47239/download
They’ve been busy beavers with subpoenas and are preparing for trial.
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It strikes me the first two weeks anyway reflected a power struggle between Patrol and the Investigations Division as to who was in charge. If I were Desiree, one thing I’d want in my file folder was chart of who was in what Admin job on 6/4/10.
On the one hand you have Captn Reiser, likely still head of Investigations Div.
Oct 2009 Reiser is head of “Investigations Division.” http://www.truecrimereport.com/2009/10/who_killed_eunice_karr_in_1984.php
On the other hand, one has his former supervisee in River Patrol, made a Captn the prior November, and head at that time of Patrol.
Staton has engaged in continous administration redesign but in 2015,
both would’ve been vieing to become Chief Deputy Enforcement.
https://www.mcso.us/profiles/pdf/org_chart.pdf
(I could’ve sworn Gates was called a chief deputy in 2013 press.)
So, you have Gates briefing during the first 2 weeks as “incident commander.” Then Reiser comes the next day and says he’s briefing incident commander and has been that during the preceding days. Then they are both there the next day, and the press refferred to “commanders.” My impression is the newly anointed Captn of Patrol used the fact he supervised SAR (snark as to combing the words supervision and Olsen) to grab the limelight and promote his Division, and he did that at the expense of letting Reiser and the Investigations Division actually run the show and make the Command decisions.
TY TRuth for this
http://blinkoncrime.com/2012/11/27/kyron-horman-missing-civil-suit-against-terri-horman-delayed-and-sealed/comment-page-47/
@8:38 & 8:52.
We are lucky samhawthorne copied some text of the disappeared page.
Lindstrand said that (shy of or made afraid by police), and she was the one interviewing those at the school Friday night before SAR arrived. You’ve answered to me why she virtually disappeared as PIO, tho that was her job, early on. She was out calling his name softly (snark).
Imo why folks were blaming Terri Saturday is because Matt Shelby speaking for PPS flatly did: “No staff saw him” after Terri left at 8:45. That’s a bald untruth, turned the public against her on 6/5, and PPS should be one of her govt defamation targets.
Not to mention- Shelby had no first hand interviews with 100% of staff- if he said that, it was a directive to attempt to thwart any accusations against the school or liability.
B
so much for my Patrol v Investigation Div rope-pull theory.
at 10:25 and 10:35 Big Bucks Olsen (with OT wrangling with mcso admin documented back to 2003)
is styled the “incident commander.” http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/06/day_three_search_continues_hun.html
@Blink. looking forward to more of your real, verified facts. Not secondhand sources. (you rely on
primary sources) please get the Reiser interview after Staton retires him.
I would like to include a great deal of interviews from folks from MCSO that have, shall we say, parted company. The problem is that their settlement agreements do not allow for it. Oh, and that mostly includes them being unavailable to cooperate with any outside agency even as to costs.
Their is a real concern that inquiry into these substantive OT issues will cost folks portions of earnings and pensions or their jobs.
B
hmmmm must mean we sense humbug somewhere. Love “Way with Words” on PBS radio.
So here is where “incident commander” derived from (1991)
https://multco.us/file/12088/download
Is this the Federal whatever MCSO got a grant from for a regional emergency (SAR-style) mobile communications system? (posted about say a week ago, memory dims).
found it http://www.businesswire.com/news/home/20070418005332/en/Multnomah-County-Sheriffs-Office-MCSO-Search-Rescue
The County Plan was updated, unsurprisingly, the Sept after the summer of loose terminology with self-anointed incident commanders:
https://multco.us/file/39672/download
4.& on pge 4.6. Incident Command post
apparently mcso established as a “field response”. Desiree needs to add the written copy of mcso agency’s Incident Response plan of 6/10 to her file folder. Did mcso trigger appropriately? apply procedures appropriately?
Why in the abduction of a 7 yo child was the national incident emergency response plan of the County and agency triggered? That took the focus off an individual criminal act.
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last course IS-100
https://multco.us/em/training-events
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not bothering reading thus 2014 regional mgmt system, except Incident Commsnd is top of p16, and (snark) Gates is the mcso rep. https://www.portlandoregon.gov/rdpo/article/494280
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So there’s all this Federal $ making each nationwide county write up and train to one of these Incident plans and funding goodies to local county agencies. We’ve got one Pres candidate pledging to do away with the Federal Reserve (Bern), another pledging to do away with the IRS & DOE (Cruz), and another pledging to do away with everything else not to his taste, like taking all troops out of Korea and Japan. Why is none of them doing away with this incident command system which a local agency can interpret to mean what it wants for budget purposes, like SAR for 2 weeks for a kidnapped child?
I am still here reading along. Posting is sporadic Sometimes it works when I test then when I try to post poof.
Sometimes my testing does work either. I have tried changing browsers Safari and Chrome. I think it is some system setting on my apple laptop. I haven’t given up.
There you are! I wish I could be more help- I am not a MAC user. I do recall ATG having a heck of a time after a Firefox update at one point.
B
Here is Douglas County Sheriff’s (idk if Oregon) Incident Command protocol.
It’s darn good. short & written in English.
http://www.dcsheriff.net/documents/b-131-incident-command-protocol-all-hazard-plan.pdf
specifies what events are triggers (not inckusive of kidnapped child).
limits the Incident Command time to 12 hour units.
requires face to face hand off between incident commanders.
Like to see mcso’s in effect in 6/10.
Rose
I agree with the last paragraph of your post 29 march at 9:55A.M.
This is the prime reason that MCSO did not attack the problem of finding Kyron and pushing the Skyline school personnel to get more information. Two guys having an internal contest as to who would make the decisions.
With an agency in constant change driven by a leader who cares only about his power and control, it is no surprise that failure resulted.
Where is everyone? I see no cd posts, still. And btw, whatever happened to Grasshopper? Where are you? (I know you moved, but…..?)
So much fodder being brought up within MCSO, makes me wonder if it is just that. More diversion. Is there anyone up that way who can get-to-the-point?
Is anyone really willing to dig and dig and dig and look into either the justification for certain moves made in this case or not?
Where is Kyron? And just how did he disappear from a crowded Public School?
Has anyone EVER, seen a case where so little info (some almost 6 years later) was released? Odd as heck. If anyone knows of such a case, I’d love to hear about it. I totally understand LE holding back *some* info, but…….we’ve have been given by them, basically, NOTHING that would or could perhaps forward the case. For instance, Kyron’s known timeline. WTH?
So the question is, why did the Sheriff activate his Incident Command Plan?
My guess is he wanted the resources that attach to said activation:
FBI, Metro buses which transported searchers from Wapato, National Guard, other Counties depts, volunteers.
The prospect of some mind of reimbursement.
(I read tonight even now the National Guard medevac in the County
transports 100 incident incident missions monthly.)
TRuth, About Kyron being afraid of police, my response back when you linked was his stepfather was a cop so I wondered if it had something to do with being afraid of TY. With perspective, I wonder now about KH’s potential steroid cop buddies, or the cop that TH called to help with KH’s steroid supplier or a school resource officer.
CD
If you still have firefox on your Apple laptop. Try posting to the site. If the program changes on the receiving program and all seems to be gone, use the back button on the browser and see if what you posted appears in the leave a comment box. If it does, then resubmit the post. If you get a duplicate post message, it did get sent to Blink’s site. It may not appear on the comments listing that you see, but Blink will have it and when she clears it for posting it will appear.
This is the result of updates in browsers for security patches. Go to the web site that contains the latest update for your browser and download and install. Also, report your problem to the browser site.
MCSO’s MCC is probably about ready for replace or refurbish after 9 years
https://www.flickr.com/photos/planephotoman/8469604464
http://www.flickriver.com/photos/automotocycle/19573292538/
The problem with staging this as an Incident is that means an Incident Commander primarily from SAR took over decisions and direction, and though Captn Reiser of Investigations Division was IC occasionally, he was not in charge (in command overall). So, Staton’s structural command decision the night of 6/4/10 defeated a formal criminal investigation into the abduction of Horman. I think by County policy though agencies activating an Incident Command must produce an internal after-report. I bet Staton did, and it’s not public. Great foia thing to go after. Get thing for anyone to ask Marshman and Lamb about.
cd says:
March 29, 2016 at 7:23 pm
There you are! Something worked. Don’t know if you’re posts include links, but sometimes when I’m posting a link to another website, my posts won’t post. Usually, when that happens, I can put a space in the link and then it will post. That hasn’t happened in a long time, but it used to happen quite a bit.
O/T
Interesting article. Not the first time the County has brought up making the the Sheriff position an appointed one.
Is Ted Wheeler Ready to Be Portland’s Mayor?
He’s the smartest guy in the room—but can he listen to any ideas but his own?
(snipped)
In 2007, partly in response to Giusto’s troubles, Wheeler pushed to take power from the county sheriff, whose budget of $90 million composed about a quarter of the county’s overall budget but received little oversight from Wheeler and his fellow commissioners. (Giusto famously dismissed the commissioners as his “bankers.”) Wheeler wanted to make the elected county sheriff an appointed position, a move that would have required changing state law.
Wheeler left county office in 2010 without securing a change. The Oregon State Sheriffs’ Association panned his idea, and the citizen commission of volunteers tasked with reviewing the proposal balked.
http://www.wweek.com/2016/03/30/is-ted-wheeler-ready-to-be-portlands-mayor/
the people able to do a real substantive independent audit of mcso wrt overtime costs dating back say to the start of the 09 fiscal year are the current Commissioners, say Kafoury, Bailey, etc. Why are they taking Staton’s word?
TRuth’s link has me reading back in 2013, plaid shirt dude and all. Great post from GH, and with the upcoming interview info, the question of why isolate TH might make some sense?
grasshopper says:
April 4, 2013 at 10:33 pm
@T.Ruth
That’s my impression too. This case has ceased to be about Kyron. We know no more than the first day. The successes of this case has been total isolation of Terri Horman, disregard of her rights in divorce. Kaine has become something of a celebrity as spokesman of LE and his own Foundation with money coming in. Intel has never confirmed his presence on campus but never mind. Intel owns the city. Skyline school is in the clear because they lawyered up early. DA has shaped it all, though none of it involves Kyron.
Skyline school is sacrosanct because of union. DA is sacrosanct because everybody believes they “know something”. Intel is sacrosanct because they donate tons of money to PPS, PSU and all sorts of other htings. Poor Kyron. He is lost in all this.
Can’t help but wonder if Terri knows something uncomplimentary to K and D and Intel and PPS, and that’s why their one and only success is to ISOLATE HER. make it so she has no communication, no credibility. Think about that.
http://blinkoncrime.com/2012/11/27/kyron-horman-missing-civil-suit-against-terri-horman-delayed-and-sealed/comment-page-48/#comments
@Blink.
See last sentence.
No one speaking for PPS on June 5 was quoted in this katu article except PIO Shelby.
“Matt Shelby, spokesman for Portland Public Schools, said Kyron was with his stepmother at a science fair that morning (see photo above). However, Kyron never checked back in with his teacher afterward, Shelby said.
The boy’s stepmother reports they walked through a number of classrooms and she last saw Kyron around 8:45 a.m. Friday. She last saw him, she reports, walking down the hallway toward his classroom at 11536 N.W. Skyline Blvd.
School staff report not seeing him after 8:45 am.”
who in pps did this reporting to katu if not Shelby?
http://projectjason.org/forums/topic/2210-missing-boy-kyron-horman-or-642010/
linkedin
quite a pic
quite the prose
pulls one in
https://www.linkedin.com/in/matt-shelby-33839129
in 6/10 he was either not the top of the PPS PR food chain, or
Carol so liked his work that she carved out a higher level
salary and title to prolong his stay.
Alas, someone in State gov coveted his skills.
@erose, truth, The only family there Fri at 8:15 (for Lindstrand herself to interview)
iirc was Terri
Iirc Kaine stayed home & the Youngs had not arrived.
Perhaps Blink can ask if that tidbit came from Terri, and her speculation as to etiology?
Love to know Terri’s observations wrt busy Linstrand interviews at school Fri nite.
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Soldier’s FB pic today showed Kyron at his home desk.
imo that was set up by a special educator.
in an unstimulating corner-face site.
only a calendar & clock for time orientation on walls.
no materials clutter.
Imo if Kaine loved Kyron, he shoukd’ve bowed down.
Once Kyron was gone thoigh, he didn’t need her any more,
Not only Grasshopper. I also miss samhawthorne who would go to the library to
post iirc. If not on my cell, I do use library and kinkos.
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It becomes clearer now why the formal declaration of a “criminal investigation”
(6/13) was important, as that was the watershed for the Field Incident (SAR)
Command to be over, It becomes clear why the Captn Supervisor of SAR (Patrol cone), who therefore was the Incident Commander, virtually wet his pants publically spanking Keefer for disclosing before the Incident Command was ready to do so, that a criminal investigation was in play once Horman’s REAL last known staff sighting was determined.
It feels like with the termination of Incident status, on 6/13, the E Cty Major Crimes team called in the night of 6/4 also stood down as to lead, and the investigation lead was taken over inhouse under Reiser, who ended up making his own men lead, , one of whom was O’Donnell. Monte had no reason to know his strengths & weaknesses, as O’Donnrll had been long gone to CAT while Reiser was still over River Patrol.
But the shift from Incident Command with its resources, to Investigation Div, probably led to byebye Gosson , hello Bobbie.
p 3 of 7
Mr Schrunk reported to the Commissioners his ADAs, with DA/MCSO
investigators, were preparing trial binders.
https://multco.us/file/47239/download
imo Underhill and Staton would still love to use them in a trial.
TMH should continue in my opinion to dot every i Houze tells her to.
And if he’s advised her to throw away that computer…..
she should. Someday someone running for DA (like this is an election year)
will take those binders and run with them despite GJury this and that outcomes.
And hasn’t Desiree and Soldier been lobbying for that?
@erose. my guess is Terri thought in part Kyron
had a sensory integration disorder and/or
some sort of visual and auditory processing disorders.
Thus, the “speak softly” and
“use his name”
and such a child could be afraid of any
big uniformed authority figure.
Police on TV are rather loud,
Rose
I don’t agree that the commissioners perform an audit of the MCSO operations and funding/expenses. They would be the correct entity to authorize the audit and should get the audit report.
A CPA firm with personnel experienced in public audits and contractors that understand operational audit should be hired. The contract should give the auditors complete access to all records of MCSO. The Commissioners should issue an order to the Sheriff and all personnel to fully co-operate with the audit or be brought up on charges if they try to stone-wall the auditors.
The post of erose where she re-posts Grasshopper’s comment from 2013 is IMO spot-on. Too many people covering up incompetent or bad behavior to ever really find Kyron. He to them was just a little boy who disappeared. A sad state where keeping their jobs was more important than a child’s life.
T. Ruth’s post indicates that state law prevents making the office of County Sheriff an appointed position while Rose thinks it happened once in the past. Now I need to find the answer in the state code.
According to Oregon code section 204.005 the following County offices are to be filled by election: County Sheriff, County Clerk, County Treasurer, and County Commissioners.
Based on state law, County Commissioners do not have the authority to make appointments to any of these offices.
Agreed that is the current statute- the exploratory committee developed by the Commissioners is what they intend to use to change that.
B
Soldier says when using paypal to send money to Kelly, use the email justice4kyron@yahoo.
Reminded me of that tips email address tips4kyron@yahoo.
So are the tips that have been solicited going to Kelly? Why?
Lacking in the latest FB donation
plea (also to a Medford PO Box) is the “not tax
dedeuctible” disclaimer. Does the beneficiary have a
responsibility to ensure that goes into event advertising?
Yup- they are soliciting funds, period.
B
looking back at the tips handle
last Sept it was pushed as seeking data to plan
Desiree’s searches.
Underhill had shut down Soldier’s following at 252 awhile ago.
Do others get his broken FB page link too?
https://m.facebook.com/rodunderhillforda/
Bunker mentalities always fail eventually.
Underhill needs to ask the US Atty Office
to make an independent top to bottom audit of thisinvestigation.
My question of about Lindstrand publically saying Kyron was shy and afraid of police has little to do with why he is or may be afraid of the police. My question is, why is he afraid of the police when it’s been stated he wants to be one?
Why would he want to become something that scares him? That’s what makes no sense to me. So, I’d like to know who told ML that, and whether or not either of the statements are true. Because in my humble opinion, both statements cannot be true. Either he’s not afraid of the police at all, or he doesn’t want to become a police detective at all. So, IMHO someone made one of these scenarios up.
Little guys/gals his age would NEVER want to be something they are afraid of, their minds just don’t work like that. JMO
More stories in the beginning regarding Kyron that didn’t make sense were Gates telling everyone he was an outgoing kid and had lots of friends, active in sports or some such. Carol Moulton saying he’s adventurous but no Huck Finn. Zimmerman or some other parent also commented on how much he liked to play pretend games and run around with the other kids. Suddenly we hear from DY that Kyron won’t leave her yard, and he’s extremely shy, afraid of losing his glasses. This cannot be the same child, unless he’s bi-polar,schizo or something, or acts entirely differently at one home opposed to the other.
IDK, but, I’m looking forward to hearing about the real Kyron, from the person whom he spent most of his time with, not just Terri either. His brother”S”, too. Someday, I’d like to hear from his teachers. The few in his life he was allowed to have, that would only be MacBeth and Porter, right? Like Rose, I tire of the baby Kyron stories, simply because they don’t help find him. If Kyron were alive, he’d be doing things a 13 year old Kyron would like to do if allowed to do so. Probably things his older brotherS were into. He obviously liked soccer, what else? What classes did he excell in? He seemed like a pretty good artist, and it appears he liked science. The family all seemed to enjoy the CSI exhibits. Which animals at the zoo did he enjoy the most? Who were his heros? Which teacher did he like the best? I’d like to know more about the 7, almost 8 year old Kyron. He was only 3 months away from his 8th birthday when he went missing. What did Kyron like to do when he was seven, not a toddler playing in the dirt? Sorry I’m ranting. I get myself upset that information is so limited in this case. Information that IMHO could help get answers. Sigh.
@ATG, yes I posted that WW link referring to Statelaw yesterday with an apology to you, but did so on the Sandusky link in error, which Blink kindly deleted for me. Sorry to have wasted yr time.
It was once appointive in Multnomah in an earlier era; State law must have dictated the change. We know Wheeler wants Corrections appointive, and Bailey is against it.
If Brown and Rosenblum want this on a State ballot, probably to throw the fear of the Lord into Constitutional Sheriffs like Palmer to stop their freewheeling ways for face scrutiny, they obviously aren’t putting it there in their own or a Presidential election year to energize all though County Sheriffs and their red constituents to come vote. So, this appears timed, if it goes on the Oregon ballot, for a very light voting year with little other material on the ballot.
Seems to me the Legislature could just pass a statutory change and Brown sign it. Who knows?
@ATG. Sorry, by independent audit, I meant the Commissioners were the only entity able to authorize funds for a nongovernmental private-sector contractor. Idk who the County contracting office is staffed by, but I would guess that entity would draw up the draft contract for the Commissioners and handle the RFP and bidding process.
County Charter Review Committee
15 “citizens” (translation representing political interest groups) appointed by State legislators
every 6 years to review the County Charter and consider Amendments to it.
http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2016/02/multnomah_county_citizen_commi_1.html
The Sheriff thing was weighty enough to merit a subcommittee, but they are likely going to propose
other Amendments.
This response of the OR DOJ to Skipper in 11/08 (which I’ve only skimmed pieces of) makes clear State law says Multnomah County as a constitutional home rule County may elect or appoint a Sheriff, depending on what their Charter says. Apparently it was amended at one time from appointive to elective, and so the Charter can once again be amended to make Sheriff appointive. http://www.doj.state.or.us/agoffice/agopinions/op8287.pdf
TRuth, I understand your point about the contradictions in Kyron’s wanting to be a police v. being afraid of the police. I also understand your frustration. If Kyron identified or respected TY, I would think he would want to be like him. I am not sure how KH’s career would read to a seven year old. In my day, police would seem more glam to a young boy than software engineer. So many contradictions, we can only consider the sources I guess.
@TRuth. good thinking and I agree with “what we want to know”. On the other hand, arguing against public infirmation about personality and preferences, just because he was kidnapped doesn’t mean anyone outside his circle should peruse his pictures, hear him characterized as shy or virtually blind without glasses, know the sports he played or who he considered a friend. It is unfortunate the mere fact of victim status opens up his life to school families, the press, County, and strangers. In fact, Soldier and her Source providing all those intimate pictures to FB strangers is, to me, pimping him emotionally, whatever the motive…can’t be current face recognition. But I agree with you, if one is going to learn about him, and respect his life, who is best situated to provide that info about him to us.
We’ve learned from press early on Gates misrepresents, obfuscates, and was self-interested (in Inciddnt Command control). Wouldn’t credit any aspect of Gates’ descriptors then. Desiree reportedly spent little time with the 7 yo Kyron, probably less face time than Carol Moulton. Brothers? One has moved away and moved on, as he needed to do.