Kyron Horman Missing Case: Terri Horman Breaks Her Silence In People Magazine Interview
New York, NY- For nearly five and a half years Terri Horman has refused to speak publicly about her step-sons case. Outside of one assertion of her innocence while on the stand in a name change hearing she ultimately was denied, Horman did not speak to any reporters or answer any of their questions regarding Kyron Hormans disappearance. Until Now.
Horman courtesy of People
Horman was interviewed by People Magazines Elaine Aradillas for both the print and online editions, and will be doing a series of personal interviews over the next week, to include wwww.blinkoncrime.com.
In the brief online video excerpt , the second part to air on ABC’s Good Morning America Friday morning, Horman maintains she is deaf in her left ear, a critical factor in the outcome of her first polygraph.
“… At what point are Kyron’s biological parents going to realize I don’t have the answers, they need to change this thing around…”
“…There is so much the public is not being told about this investigation, that’s why I am doing this- nobody is looking for Kyron…”
Horman’s interview drew sharp reactions from Kaine Horman and Desiree Young, Kyron’s parents.
“…Why is she silent for 5 1/2 years if she is innocent. I want her to tell me where Kyron is. If she is innocent she should call Multnomah County Sheriffs Office and sit down for an interview…”- Desiree Young
“Hi friends. Yes I am well aware of the tabloid journalism piece in the media today. FYI – there will be more of the same coming Friday
We have a HOST of MCSO and FBI investigators STILL standing by with interviews and polygraphs when someone actually wants to cooperate. FEEL FREE TO STOP BY THEY ARE WAITING!! STILL!! Until then we’ll stick with the scores of people with valid/accurate information and the failed polygraphs as the only actual actions taken to-date. To all of you: how about not linking the article/interview?
REMEMBER KYRON?!?!? This is what we need to be focused on!!
Love you Kyron!!” – Kaine Horman post on his Facebook Page
Christina Stoy, www.blinkoncrime.com Editor In Chief was able to confirm with Ms. Horman directly that she has been willing to meet with Kyron’s investigators both previously and in the future with the sole provision that it be conducted in the presence of her Attorney, Portland criminal defense lawyer Stephen Houze.
Horman went on to say that investigators with the Multnomah County Sheriff’s Office have been well aware of “that” over the last five and a half years and they have never requested an interview. Um, What?
Horman reveals some shocking details about the subsequent polygraphs examinations referenced by Kaine Horman and Desiree Young and other allegations of improper tactics on behalf of MCSO in the second half of her interview to air tomorrow morning on abc’s GMA and on Nightline.
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I don’t know for sure, but I’m guessing the biggest, wide-spread and most fallacious cover up of all is going to come down to a missing 7 year old’s investigation.
T. Ruth says:
June 28, 2016 at 7:49 pm
Isn’t it weird that WS site is directing a petition to MCSO And MCDA with this question on it:
“2. Where, what time and by whom was Kyron last seen?”
How is that going to help find Kyron? The only question that makes sense is the first one, but if KH already has that information, why doesn’t DY? Were they both told about the man in Mathews room, but were they not even given his description?
What exactly is it they’re trying to achieve with this petition? IDK
https://www.change.org/p/multnomah-county-sheriff-s-office-please-don-t-let-the-investigation-into-the-disappearance-of-kyron-horman-go-cold#delivered-to
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Whats weird is the petition is for Multnomah County DA and Sheriff who are not going to care if people from other states who do not vote in their county sign a petition for them anyway.
This the 3rd or 4th petition that been created asking for info from MCSO and MCDA were the other petition’s never given to the MCSO officials. Because if the other petitions produced no reaction from MCSO/MCDA why would this one be any different. I know its an election year but most of the signers are are not voters in Multnomah County.
If SG was serious about her petition then she would do as I have seen people do before and have people around town in shopping malls and downtown (in Multnomah County) with a clipboards gathering signatures.
So i believe that her change.org petition is just out there to entertain her posters and keep them busy so they feel like they are doing something and stick around.
Remember SG is all about clicks/likes on her FB page so anything that causes that to happen is something she will engage in.
A window on Wife Marshman’s management MO, which seems to bear similarities to husband’s.
http://www.wweek.com/portland/blog-31766-analyst-sues-multnomah-county-sheriff-claims-age-discrimination.html
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She’s been rocking the boat awhile.
Rescued Marshman with a job.
& One of my Portland Heroes:
https://www.portlandoregon.gov/auditor/article/581116
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She’s City Auditor.
Who’s County suditor?
Why didn’t the mcso horman investigation
get audited wrt
best practices?
Hi all, I have been following for a while and the theory that makes the most sense to me is a steroid MFH coverup. This would explain why LE has been anything but forthcoming with information that does not implement TMH. It also explains the same by Kaine. What I can’t figure out is why bio mom does not jump all over the SZ idea and run with it. Could she be involved in some way in the steroid mess or be attempting to protect TY if involved? Have there been any steroid busts in Medford like there was in Portland preceding or post abduction? I can’t thinking another reason for DY’s deliberate omission of SZ witness accounts other than fear of the consequences doing so.
1. There have been arrests involving illegal steroid use and sales from info directly from TMH- she had no involvement and actually turned Kaine in (2009, 10).
2. You are absolutely correct- outside of the fact that SZ has never been identified and therefore has no ties to TMH- in that respect it never precluded TMH except to say it cemented the fact Kyron did not leave with her. In my view, DY’s motivations are more emotional than practical.
B
Maybe I have the wrong year on Desiree’s Surrogate’s site.
She was pratting about Kristin not Terri getting a Mother’s Day card but wasn’t mother’s day a couple months ago? Does Kristin have a backchannel to Soldier, or does she just post “I gotta card from kiara” on her FB or whatever.
Anyway, a 7 yold’s card purchases are in a parent’s hands, so if k sent a Mother one to Kristin, not her own mother Terri, it’s on him imo. But whi knows if a word out of the Surrogate of the “Ex not speaking to Kaine” is true?
I’ e even truly forgotten this kristin’s last name to look her up. Her daus
had a different name Hill. Malty our social media genius, does she
have a FB bragging about a mothers day card?
Mickelson
B
my fantasy:
a Portland drone flies over the Fixer
and he pulls out his gun & shoots:
https://www.google.com/amp/gawker.com/donald-trump-points-to-the-heavens-warns-of-mexican-at-1782924379/amp?client=safari#
I read that Nancy Grace is leaving her show, but I also read that the staff would likely be continuing in some format with a show still relating to crimes. I had this scary vision of someone calling Blink and asking her to take over.
Sorry I didn’t save the link – I moved on to another story as quickly as possible.
Why was it scary? Let me count the ways . . .
(absolutely no offense intended, Blink)
None taken-
B
http://www.pamplinmedia.com/pt/9-news/313481-192201-new-portland-chief-mike-marshman-says-10-year-old-alleged-assault-of-stepson-was-untrue
“What exactly is it they’re trying to achieve with this petition? IDK”
What the FB site owner achieves is “protection,” she thinks it affords a rational excuse or cover to stalk some mcso location on the street–citizens have the right to petition the govt, plus click bait of course. It must gratify Desiree emtionally to see “followers” advocating for Kyron with LE whether on bad or good information. She would think she has no affirmative obligation to give them the info MCSO should give them directly. I am surprised she has not informed her sisters who raise money for her. If she has, their petition comments and signatures more deliberately mislead. Then there’s the renewed focus on fundraising.
@TRuth, thank for the link to a well written opinion on the troubles coverup has caused in Oregon.
http://portlandtribune.com/pt/10-opinion/313144-191673-our-opinion-coming-clean-might-have-saved-odea
Someone else noticed 95% of the Gov’s lightweight calendar gets blocked out:
“And, we have a governor who won’t release her public calendar, state her position on a key ballot measure or participate in the traditional first candidates’ debate of the year. ”
This could be one of the things the Gov fears–that she knew about the soils problems and knew DPQ had been informed by the Forest Service, but did not inform the public.
See points 4 and 5 where Forest Service dataman informs DPQ:
http://www.opb.org/news/article/7-things-you-need-to-know-about-portlands-toxic-air-situation/
The Gov’s husband was information-data gatherer in chief for the Forest Service locally & nationally. He retired in 2015.
“He eventually began developing databases and Geographic Information Systems (GIS) to inventory and analyze a wide range of natural resource conditions”
https://www.oregon.gov/gov/Pages/Meet-the-First-Gentleman.aspx
This could be to Brown what Oracle was to Kitz, a big stumbling block if Nigel goes into the Forest Service data and its profer to the OR DEQ, tho an interview of a FS colleague said Dan and the Gov never discuss their work.
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OT OR lottery business interests also intersect with government?
p 2, first & last paragraphs. The warnings from AG Frohnmeyer:
https://olis.leg.state.or.us/liz/2013R1/Downloads/CommitteeMeetingDocument/908
http://www.metafilter.com/147654/the-odds-in-all-our-games-favor-the-lottery
(commentary on above story https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9180165
http://m.lasvegassun.com/news/2005/sep/13/mini-empires-rise-from-video-poker-landscape/ a canny Oregon businessman pops up in partnership with the 2 profit-seeking legislators who installed video poker mimicking OR in WVa. WVa didn’t read Frohnmeyer’s AG opinion.
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Service, 10K puts him as CEO of a major lottery food business. ie Richard’s deli’s main business is the lottery, just sells microwave food. https://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/data/771214/000107261301500675/form10-k_10741.txt
http://portlandtribune.com/ht/118-hillsboro-tribune-opinion/307936-185268-oregon-lottery-brings-good-luck-to-no-one-should-be-eliminated
Service knew how to get video gamkng thru the WVa legislature. “Own” the restaurants, then sell his share to 2 legislators who got the legislation passed.
Jacquiss needs to look for past or present Oregon legislators with financial interests in restaurants & bars doing high volume video lottery business. Actually this shoukd be a Federal DOJ onvestigation of the State (legislators, Lottery Board members, Gov’s Office, large volume independents). Except Billy Williams is a bureaucrat imo who wouldn’t ruffle the legislature.
Anyway as Frohnmeyer warned, likely criminal influence on video gaming using independent woukd dwarft that in drugs or steroids in the State of Oregon.
The real thing of interest is any votes while in the legislature the Gov took to shape the current Lottery against Frohnmeyer’s explicit advice, and what were her motivations? I think she fired Roberts fearing he was not a coverup teamplayer, and a big lottery scandal could unfold on her watch.
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and cd is right, the big coverup will prove the Horman abduction, but who’s going to get at that with the selfinterested current County Chair and Commissioners? Certainly not Reese.
If I have not told you lately you really are a savant in these areas in particular. It’s like you have some sort of laser power, lol. Thank You.
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“Marshman also confirmed rumors of an incident in which, as a relatively new police officer, he used his lights to pull over an ex-girlfriend who he wanted to talk to. “In hindsight, it was a stupid way to do it,”" above url.
Why did he need to do it at all? If my daughter broke up with a man, and he put on his police car lights and (illegally) pulled her over and made a “stop,” it woukd’ve scared her to death. “Force” a talk on her? He shoukd’ve been investigated and fired, not covered up. “Calm” an unrelated 16 yo with a chokehold and slamming him against a wall? PPB Shoukd’ve referred to CPSD. Oh wait, in this County instead of CPSD these investigations go to the Child Abuse Team which PPB leads. These two stories kind of validate Andrews’ pleadings of similar aggressive behavior to a female colleague he had to share workspace with in the worksite.
What. The. Hell?
B
I’m wondering why mcso hasn’t written a Federal grant and gotten drones for use in searches? Woukd’ve reduced the manpower & time in Kyron’s. Kinda ridiculous it’s a redditor vigilante patrolling the homeless living illegally on the River.
OT LE drone use law is by State. Nice law:
http://www.governing.com/news/headlines/california-legislature-passes-law-to-regulate-drones.html
OT City Auditor has a stellar team, esp Green.
Marshman is not on it, so her new job must be County.
https://www.portlandoregon.gov/auditor/article/565862
@Rose
Here’s what Krisin wrote on her FB regarding a Mother’s Day card…
“That moment you get a Mother’s day gift with a handwritten card from a certain 7 year old who holds your heart…..and it couldn’t be more perfect! Even when she asks why I’m crying…nothings wrong baby girl my heart is exploding!!! God I miss that girl! #alwaysloveher #loveherlikemyown #meltingmyheart #mamabear”
After looking through her page for a bit I’ll admit she seems like a caring, responsible mother to her girls at least on the surface IMO.
Houndog- I am not one to make assumptions or cast dispersion on someone I have never interviewed. That said- I look to the circumstances of their own words/behavior. 1. Does anyone think it is a breach of trust to post that incident “if true” on FB in the first place? Assuming I have reason to believe Kitty is not reading FB- it certainly was not posted for her benefit- but for some other intention. To sharpen a point here- KM likely does not include the former twitter accounts of all 3 of her dau’s which would directly contradict the “responsible mother” theory. KM’s recent postings concern me because to be as frank as possible- this child has been used as a pawn way too inappropriately as is, imo.
B
http://portlandtribune.com/pt/9-news/313612-192437-bruises-on-marshmans-stepsons-neck-looked-like-hickies-mom-told-cops
Is it me or is it constantly weird the media does not specifically name the DA responsible for a decision not to file. How does one quote without an atttributed name, but include a title which covers dozens of possible people?
Houndog says:
July 1, 2016 at 5:21 pm
@Rose
Here’s what Krisin wrote on her FB regarding a Mother’s Day card…
“That moment you get a Mother’s day gift with a handwritten card from a certain 7 year old who holds your heart…..and it couldn’t be more perfect! Even when she asks why I’m crying…nothings wrong baby girl my heart is exploding!!! God I miss that girl! #alwaysloveher #loveherlikemyown #meltingmyheart #mamabear”
After looking through her page for a bit I’ll admit she seems like a caring, responsible mother to her girls at least on the surface IMO.
Houndog- I am not one to make assumptions or cast dispersion on someone I have never interviewed. That said- I look to the circumstances of their own words/behavior. 1. Does anyone think it is a breach of trust to post that incident “if true” on FB in the first place? Assuming I have reason to believe Kitty is not reading FB- it certainly was not posted for her benefit- but for some other intention. To sharpen a point here- KM likely does not include the former twitter accounts of all 3 of her dau’s which would directly contradict the “responsible mother” theory. KM’s recent postings concern me because to be as frank as possible- this child has been used as a pawn way too inappropriately as is, imo.
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I totally see what you’re saying, and I admit I haven’t seen any of the Twitter posts. The mom in me wants to believe she is/was a decent pseudo mom to K, but I do have a tendency to over estimate the good in people, to the point of naivety. Maybe what I interpreted as “caring” is her attempt at damage control, assuming she reads here.
http://portlandtribune.com/pt/9-news/313612-192437-bruises-on-marshmans-stepsons-neck-looked-like-hickies-mom-told-cops
Geeze, are all Portland LE liars, or are the liars the only ones promoted?
Something a little strange. Those first forms that LE sent out were directed at everyone who was at the school that day, between 8 a.m. and 4 p.m. And they asked if people had seen both Kyron and/or Terri and where and at what time. They also asked if anyone saw a white Ford F250 truck at or near the school. But what they don’t ask is where and when did you see the truck? Isn’t that odd? I also find it weird that they don’t ask the students what time you saw TMH or Kyron, only the parents. Did they really discount ALL student’s recollections, event he older ones?
http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/06/police_issue_questionnaire_ask.html
http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:TfXPQUX2_TQJ:a.abcnews.go.com/images/US/ht_kyron_horman_flyer_100618.pdf%3FSITE%3DABCNEWS+&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us
Also if these forms were directed to, as is indicated on the form, anyone who was in the buildings or on the grounds during that time, why didn’t Dave Stensen fill out a form? The forms were released/distributed June 18. How did LE distribute these forms? Did Stensen not know he was being asked to fill out a form, but every other person who was there that day did? Why did they not have his information until AFTER the August 11 press conference about the gravel road stuff/parking lot stuff?
Thank you Houndog. That script did the impossible and rendered me temporarily speechless. Scraping some of Nelmel’s pasta off the ceiling. I had realized I should not have asked Malty about the content of a site I refused to read, even refused to remember NM’s (new mama’s) last name. Sorry Malty.
Her articulation reminds me of The Fixer (unstable emotions, narcissism, self-referential, exploitative) or a NY Times crossword answer: le etat cest moi or the impulsive narcissism of an ExPOTUS. Written directly to Kaine (Blink, you knew that), and to inform her public she sees him and is treated as family. So it is good to have preserved this inappropriate writing because if Kaine has any sense it will be deleted promptly.
Yes her two eldest had 2 twitters each. They reflected a role reversal with parent, and one sees in this writing the same (7 yr old put in position of comforting crying mother, feeling responsible no doubt). They also contained a history of frequent moves to keep a roof over their heads, and anxiety as to whether this BF and roof would last long enough to graduate.
With the caveat I’ve not worked professionally in decades and am not licensed, and this is lay opinion, imo one of both the Judge’s and Bunch’s failings was not securing Court Ordered Child Services Home Studies on k’s home & adjustment and full psychologicals on Mr H and his NM. There was every ground to.
Mr H was really on equal footing with Ms H as to the home safety assessment necessary when a sibling disappears. In addition to that, he allegedly used the steroids. And, There was the installation of a rolling stone stranger as a “mother” in the home. There was the instability in the home due to Father’s abrupt and extremely rancorous separation from mother, and his refusal to let her see her mother under ANY circumstances. Finally, There were two allegations of abuse in Mr H’s nuclear family of origin (Kristian/sex; Topher–living in a car saga).
That writing speaks of weak ego boundaries and emotional instability to me. And Blink said she also wrote her daughter was in K’s own classroom (having figuratively taken his place) amongst his former peers…same showing wrt ego boundaries.
To make and give her a mother’s day card took adult support either by father or grandmother (the one under whose roof Kristian was allegedly abused per him). To do that while k is reuniting with Mother is beyond bizarre (hence the need for that psychological.)Father shoukd’ve supported making Mother a card, and if he wanted Kristin remembered said let’s make a Spring drawing. She is not even a stepmother after all. Personally KM seems so needy, I would not expose my child to her at all.
In my opinion, well done homestudies and full psycholoogicals would have likely dictated temporary Court placement with grandparents (Moultons) or another relative like the well adjusted Horman-related couple in Idaho, while parents got their act together, including Court-ordered therapy with reports to the Court–and initially supervised visitation for both.
This online FB post about k needs to be shown to the apparently useless Bell.
Since there are 3 public incidents of abnormal bullying, I imagine more will come to light on Marshman.
http://portlandtribune.com/pt/9-news/313612-192437-bruises-on-marshmans-stepsons-neck-looked-like-hickies-mom-told-cops
Budnik does not say he got the ADA’s “no paper” memo by foia. And how could he even speculate one existed? Ex & her son woukdn’t know. PPB officers other than the one assigned the investigation would not know. Must’ve been
leaked (or at least its existance leaked) by a DA Office employee with knowledge. That an ADA wrote a “no paper” means the PPB investigating officer brought in what she thought was enough evidence to charge. Because the kid was unrelated, it seems to have been a simple assault of a minor who wanted charges pressed once he reached majority and coukd decide for himself. I don’t get the ADA’s reliance on “criminal strangulation” & wonder what the Statute of Limitations was on simple assault? What the ADA was saying boils down to I don’t want to put this 19 yo on the stand vs a police officer because he will be discredited with the acrimony surrounding the rocky marriage & divirce. And if the no paper was leaked, Budnik’s kniws the ADA’s name, probably not revealing it was a condition of provision.
At this point, Hales needs to ask the State police to pulpit supply an interim Chief while he immediately draws up and implements with Wheeler’s transition team a national search to be concluded with finalist candidates by Jan 1. Heck, even Greg M, former ADA and Chief of campus police responsible gor arming them would do.
What I’d like to know is was MM’s Wife 1 an employee of PPB, MCSO, or the DA office?
You know, Hales shoukd’ve tasked his City Attorney
with vetting Marshman prior to appointing him,
or what’s a City Attorney for? So maybe that
ousted Rodrigues from Internal Affairs who
was sent, where was it to Family Services?,
leaked the No Paper.
OT It seems to me Marshaman should be reassigned to Transit until he retires. Despite his settlement knowledge base, why is DOJ Bilky Wms endorsing him when 1) he refused to cooperate w/ IA and refused to talk to a peer PPB investigator, 2) is off 4 yrs on the boy’s age, 3) remembers no surrounding circumstances, 4) Felt threatened enough by a child’s potential to pose threat to initiate physical harm. So why would the Feds trust his reports to them on anything having to do with implementation? He was promoted right along under Reese with this matter know internally and was protected by runnermate Reese as he bullied Andrews. Idk why Kafoury and Soldier think Reese will do anything at MCSO other than “shake up” cosmetics and hunker down.
Since she was exceptionally long serving on the PPB CAT, Mack was very familiar with the DA’s office, had decades of respect behind her, and knew what kind of cases to take there to paper:
https://m.facebook.com/rlnfoundation/photos/a.10150465374090134.638623.272981820133/10151129567745134/?type=3
So if the MCDA leaked, it was to get accurate facts before the public. This incident makes me wonder if it was the MCDA office which previously leaked on Staton and on O’Dea?
Budnik said Karen Mack wouldn’t answer if she was on the CAT in 2006. This documents she was on it as late as Dec 2007:
. https://gatewaycenterdv.org/police/pbnotify.cfm?action=ViewContent&content_id=1193
no Green Hornets in a tear since last summer
http://archive.constantcontact.com/fs011/1102356663680/archive/1102464063745.html
What’s up with the PIO?
Surely there was at least one award ceremony.
OT… a sad passing… A man I respected greatly.
“We must take sides. For neutrality helps the oppressor, never the victim. Silence encourages the tormentor, never the tormented. Sometimes we must interfere.”
Elie Wiesel (1928-2016) RIP
Rose
Your referenced story about the use of moss to determine levels of chemicals in the air is interesting. It is not surprising that the Portland, Oregon area has a lot of moss. Moss depends on a lot of moisture in the air. It principally thrives on the extraction of CO2 from the airborne water vapor. It will also extract minerals from the rock areas it often uses as a place to grow. It is not known for certain that in the CO2 extraction from moist air that metals are extracted and stored along with the carbon dioxide. So, is the Department of Forestry study onto anything or is this another attempt to spend money and scare the people for an unrevealed reason?
Studies have been done indicating that core boreings into rock and ice have been used to determine the amount of temperature and subsequent ice formation from past ice ages. Low levels of CO2 are the principle reasons for drop in ambient temperatures that created the ice ages. So much for CO2 being a dangerous pollutant as the “Global Warming” fools claim. At the present time, the CO2 levels in our atmosphere have been falling for the past fifty years. There is a level where things become imbalanced towards making the conditions for another ice age.
The article about the colored glass maker in a nearby area putting pollutants into the air is possible since many of the coloring agents are metallic substances or oxides of metals, although very small in total volume. Lead glass known as Stueben glass in the USA has not been produced since 1989. True Chrystal glass is not possible since glass does not form in that type of structure. All such glass is done by a special process to make it appear as if it is crystal.
In regard to the bio parents of Kyron, it is my opinion that DY has a problem in relating to reality and cannot think for herself. Someone else has to feed her ideas about what is happening. This is why she appears to have such a mixed-up life.
Wishing everyone a great fourth of July. I played a band concert on friday and will play another on Monday.
Traveled to FT. Worth to see the latest great grandchild on Saturday and got to play with four of the little munchkins ages 10 days through four years.
http://blinkoncrime.com/2016/01/21/kyron-horman-missing-case-terri-horman-breaks-her-silence-in-people-magazine-interview/#comments
@TRuth. wrt TRuth says:
July 2, 2016 at 6:42 pm
Imo you make it really overt that questionnaire was not merely poorly designed but rather it was not for the purpose of consistent information gathering from all attendees. even about Terri & Kyron, their as well as the white truck times & places. It was put out for a different purpose. One purpose could be the reverse–to find out where the adult responders were and when. It would be interesting to know exactly what employee had the idea for, drew up, and disseminated this form. Behind him imo would not be someone unintelligent or careless but perhaps something more nefarious, and it would not be about finding the abductor or Kyron. I suspect it is the same employee whose idea the Sting was. If they had made an arrest of Terri that Sat, they would have entered the home, conducted a search, located the steroids (Kaine likely having told them were to find them), and had her, not him, for the steroids. Everything seems to go back to covering up a steroid distribution network.
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@ATG wrt ATG says:July 3, 2016 at 11:48 pm
“it is my opinion that DY has a problem in relating to reality and cannot think for herself. Someone else has to feed her ideas about what is happening. This is why she appears to have such a mixed-up life.”
I agree, but it’s impossible to know if it is psychology, iq, or lack of education. The question is who fed her ideas on June 4 and so on when she changed abruptly from thinking Teri was such a good enough mother she would not file for residential custody even when Teri urged her to and Kyron she says wept for it, to seeing Terri as “the Devil” (imagery always used by her psychotically) who was an abject murderess. Who fed her that?
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OT @TKG I didn’t think it fit here, but due to your Elie quote will share it. Thru a story I originally thought was a nothing, just politics, I learned further about a news site for the young called Mic.com where there was as good a piece of investigative reporting as any, and it contained a lot of tech ed like about archieves. Also educated me on a whole subculture I never knew existed on /pol/, 4chan, etc. Pol stands for politically incorrect, so when someone goes on CNN and accuses others of being “politically correct,” it has latent meaning in the subculture. Since I first looked at /pol/ yesterday morning, the Mic link goes to something that looks completely different and a lot of the graphics are gone. But that subculture’s writing reminded me of the participants of Soldier’s FB. Very witch-hunt oriented by the uneducated with an alt reality in need of an incarnate Devil. Whatever one’s politics, these “hidden” cultures on the internet, whatever the jihad, are unhealthy. https://mic.com/articles/147711/donald-trump-s-star-of-david-hillary-clinton-meme-was-created-by-white-supremacists#.Qqs8StqaJ
It has occurred to me that since O’Donnell was on the CAT 5 yrs,
he and Mack overlapped by at least 2.
Perhaps that retiree is a source wrt his competencies &
reputation professionally.
My mistake re the difference between the adult and student forms, I noted above. They don’t ask what time anyone saw TMH or the truck on either form. If in fact they were trying to verify her version of events, why wouldn’t they ask that? Did they already know she was telling the truth about her time there? If so, why ask the question of whether or not you saw her at all? To mislead someone else? To mislead the public? IDK, weird. The only timeline they were trying to pin down here was Kyron’s, AND anyone else who may have interacted with him or simply saw him, excluding TMH, as they don’t ask for a time.
Equally weird:
ANY INDIVIDUAL (to include a minor child), other than a Skyline Student, who you have reason to believe was on the campus between 8-12 on June 4 but is not on this list; and ANY INDIVIDUAL who is on the list but who you have reason to believe was not on campus during that time.
http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/12/kyron_horman_task_force_sends.html
Rephrasing:
1. Indicate any adult you believe was on campus between 8 and noon who is not on the list.
2. Indicate any minor child, that is not a skyline student, you believe was on campus between 8 and noon that is not on the list.
3. Indicate any adult on this list you believe was not on campus between 8 and noon. (Which to me, would include anyone who left the campus between 8 and noon.)
Firstly, why noon? The original forms asked for everyone who was on that campus between 8 a.m. and 4 p.m., what happened at noon at the school that would preclude them from wanting to know where everyone was in the afternoon? Did a Ford F250 parked in the lot disappear at noon?
The first two items, were they simply trying to rule out the report that Kyron was seen with a man and two girls?
The third item, what would that tell us? Is that indicating that they believe whomever took Kyron left but came back to that school AFTER noon? I mean obviously many if not all parents would have left the school at some point between 8 and noon, and most well before noon.
This list went out in December 2010, surely they had verified TMH’s timeline by then. The stores, the dry-cleaners, the gym, etc. If they were focusing on TMH in December of 2010 when this list went out, wouldn’t they have narrowed this list down to between only her unaccounted for time, which IIRC was sometime between 10 something and 11:30? It seems obvious to me, they were not focusing on TMH here, but SZ, so why noon?
Sorry, to be bringing up such old stuff, but these are some of the things that still make no sense to me. Still puzzled, 6 years later.
@Rose. That’s ok I am concerned about that little girl and dog or I would forget her also
I did see some odd posts but nothing I wanted to post and maybe hurt feelings Like the card
And the post trama stuff
Rose says:
July 4, 2016 at 5:03 am
(snipped)
@ATG wrt ATG says:July 3, 2016 at 11:48 pm
“it is my opinion that DY has a problem in relating to reality and cannot think for herself. Someone else has to feed her ideas about what is happening. This is why she appears to have such a mixed-up life.”
I agree, but it’s impossible to know if it is psychology, iq, or lack of education. The question is who fed her ideas on June 4 and so on when she changed abruptly from thinking Teri was such a good enough mother she would not file for residential custody even when Teri urged her to and Kyron she says wept for it, to seeing Terri as “the Devil” (imagery always used by her psychotically) who was an abject murderess. Who fed her that?
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**Nelmel smacks her car bumper into the Kyron Thread Office window as she fumbles with the pan of baked ziti on the passenger seat…**
I have always strongly suspected: that DY never attempted a court revision of custody because KH “had something” on her; factual details about DY’s past adult life have never been available to the public. In a child abduction case, all the parents would have been looked at thoroughly (if the LE agency knew what it was doing and was not corrupted by steriod dealing/selling). Some second-hand gossip about TMH was chatted up, but nothing about KH or DY of any accuracy was allowed to be made public, other than where they live and where they work for the most part. Aside from the fact that this case has allowed DY to keep questionable behavior secret, has allowed the pretty-flowers explanation of her trip to Canada to be all that is released about her, has allowed the dark place between her and KH to be kept hidden from view, I believe that KH would slaughter DY’s character if she took him to a custody hearing to modify custody, and I think she knows that. I believe he has told her that any attempt to change or gain custody of Kyron would have resulted in him smearing her reputation top and bottom.
A lot of people refuse to go to court to make child custody and child support agreements because all they hear is the word “Court,” and to them, “Court” means “I did something wrong/I’ve been accused of doing something bad.” What these folks do not understand is that the greatest blessing a divorcing couple can betstow upon their child(ren) is court-ordered custody and court-ordered child support. The Court is a third party for the child’s best interests (except in Portland, Oregon, apparently), and then, each parent has a documented legally-binding agreement of their own and the other parent’s obligations and — more important — rights.
I would willingly bet that KH has told DY that he’ll wipe her on the floor with all the dirt she thinks he has on her if she ever tried to go through court to get a modified custody of any type, and that she believed he had that kind of power over her due to her less-than-holy past. DY interprets her own past as a negative, so she thinks that KH can hold it over her head. Just my sense about those two — they both creep me out.
Plus there are some women (and fewer, but some men) in post divorce situations who honestly fear that the custodial parent has all the rights and can dictate all the visits, trips, exchange of info, phone calls, IMs, texts, etc. I am always still stunned when I meet people like this, but they do exist and it’s very sad. A court hearing would end all their dependency on “rules” made by the other parent, and create a better life for the kids involved, but, they literally fear the other parent. It’s hard to communicate with parents like this.
Tom Jones
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You killed him because you saw him through your eyes, those of a sexual deviant.
Lude conduct….
Terri….
Dede told me what you told her you caught him doing with your daughter.
Terri..
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I see on SG’s Facebook that TJ is back to posting his theory that Kyron was molesting K and that is why TH had to get rid of Kyron. He posts she was protecting K from sexual advances by Kyron.
So why are DY and SG allowing TJ to publicize his theory that Kyron was some sort of a junior pervert molesting his hapless 1 year old sister. To the point that TH thought she had to get rid of Kyron to protect her baby girl.
If Kyron ever comes home he’s not going to want to read those lies and I sure K doesn’t need to be hearing about /reading that nonsense either.
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=1036396986450222
IKR.
B
http://kval.com/news/local/inside-the-kyron-horman-war-room-11-12-2015
Original article, May 2011.
“The sheriff said he’s in discussions with the district attorney on how to proceed. More details on what that plan is should be available in a few days.”
In July 2016, can we have those plan details, lead Krafve?
All I can say is if Krafve was ever the lead det in Kyron’s case, and according to this at 11 months in- it directly conflicts with sworn statements from Underhill and Staton- who signed affi’s O’Donnell was lead for approx 18 months.
B
I wonder how Terri ferls at the likelihood her steroid gym premises
dealing reports relating to her husband’s purchases led in theory
to her functional son’s perhaps retributive demise?
Nelmel
I agree with your analysis of parents fears in a court. The other major problem is having an experienced judge who makes it clear in a divorce action that the court is there to protect all parties, including children, from bad behavior. Lawyers are smart and will take advantage for their client of a court that allows actions that are unbalanced in favor of female complainants or unbalance in favor of males.
This is exactly what happened in Multnomah county where the court was so unbalanced in favor of outside parties, i.e sheriff and district attorney that only one party was protected. The bio mother and child were not protected while the bio father was given everything. If ever there was or is a case for appeal, this one certainly qualifies.
Krafve was the Supervisor of the Task Force. That article was written in May 2011 during the Task Force era. He appears to be with Marion Cty Sheriff Office now.
old thread:
http://blinkoncrime.com/2013/09/04/blink-on-crime-kyron-horman-investigation-exclusive-terri-horman-friend-dede-spicher-breaks-her-silence-after-passing-polygraph-requests-da-clear-her-publicly/comment-page-2/
Rose says: September 4, 2013 at 10:42 pm ”…Looking back, Monte Reisor was in charge until the Task Force formation. We know the line level was O’Donnell. Rees said so in Court docs.
With the Task Force, Kafvre takes over. (Reisor returns to River Patrol.) Herron, Reisor’s longtime River Patrol comrade dating at least to 2005, appears in TF era to work under Kafvre as a detective. snip: “grasshopper says: March 25, 2013 at 8:12 pm 12/17/2003 how Krafve handled a drug trafficker case http://www.wweek.com/portland/article-2761-swimming_with_sharks.html and his bio also snipped from url page below: ” March 27, 2013 at 12:36 pm http://www.katu.com/news/local/121985859.html?m=y&smobile=y
(that page has been removed)
Sgt Krafve is “the lead detective” on the dissolving Task Force. 5/11 and now supervises the Detectives Unit, which has 10 Detectives and includes subunits such as Human Trafficking & Cold Cases http://www.mcso.us/public/detectives.htm”
(that page has also been removed)
“March 27, 2013 at 1:14 pm … Answering myself as to when Herron changed jobs. Herron had been promoted from a River Patrol Deputy to a Detective in the Detectives Unit of Investigations by 08/12 http://www.koinlocal6.com/news/local/story/Body-found-floating-near-Steel-Bridge-IDed/CmUBHh5TGkyJHOJmA5wExg.cspx” all from: http://www.zoominfo.com/people/Krafve_Keith_279358313.aspx” http://blinkoncrime.com/2012/11/27/kyron-horman-missing-civil-suit-against-terri-horman-delayed-and-sealed/comment-page-44/ “
Marion?
B
Somehow I missed this one:
The Oregonian Editorial Board By The Oregonian Editorial Board
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on June 25, 2016 at 12:00 PM, updated June 25, 2016 at 12:02 PM
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(snipped, more @link)
For those angry about Portland Public Schools’ culture of dysfunction, where even the discovery of lead-contaminated water in schools’ drinking fountains initially netted a ho-hum response, the news that Superintendent Carole Smith will simply skate into retirement next June may feel wholly unsatisfying.
It is, however, not that surprising. Smith is merely getting the same soft landing that she consistently has provided to principals, district administrators and others who failed to make the grade. A majority of the Portland School Board, which supervises Smith, apparently subscribes to that same ethic of sparing feelings no matter the cost to the public. Board chairman Tom Koehler said he and others support letting Smith serve out the final year of her contract, despite the fact that they have not yet received results of an independent investigation they commissioned into the district’s mishandling of lead testing and communication.
Accountability, it seems, is everyone’s favorite catchphrase only until they have to show it.
http://www.oregonlive.com/opinion/index.ssf/2016/06/superintendent_carole_smiths_s.html
Well ain’t that the truth.
Not as “wholly unsatisfying” as a missing child six years later- “accountability” indeed.
B
@cd says:
July 4, 2016 at 3:46 pm
Dang good question. Why does DY & the Davidson clan even associate with these people? None of them, not one of them, have Kyron’s best interest in what little mind they have. How is that crap helping find Kyron? How is it helping Kyron’s family? It’s not.
http://kval.com/news/local/inside-the-kyron-horman-war-room-11-12-2015
On May 16 2011 the Sheriff said: “discussions with the district attorney on how to proceed. More details on what that plan is should be available in a few days.”
On June 3, less than 3 weeks later, it disbanded.
Apparently the DA made that decision based on the TF’s work product
http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2011/06/kyron_horman_task_force_to_dis.html
The Task Force lasted 9/15/10 to 6/30/11 approx 9.5 months, not 6
“…Detectives who were loaned to the task force in October from the Portland Police Bureau, Clackamas County and Washington County sheriff’s offices, and Oregon State Police are being pulled back to their respective agencies.”
…”Multnomah County Sheriff’s detectives, FBI agents and up to four state justice department investigators have spent the past six months examining at least 60 persons of interest in the disappearance of Kyron from his school.
Their multi-agency task force has looked at registered sex offenders in the area of the school, the Horman home, visitors to the school that day, and others who may have made cell phone calls that were routed to cell phone towers near the school, the Horman home and Sauvie Island the morning he disappeared.”
This sounds PPS staff-focused: “During the investigation of the other potential persons of interest, the team realized that some evidence — namely phone records and computer log-on information from Skyline School the day Kyron went missing — were not kept by the school district as the sheriff’s office didn’t request the preservation of those records.
Staton and Gates said they did obtain other information from the school via a search warrant submitted to Superintendent Carole Smith, but could not comment on the school phone records or computer data being preserved.” This is about the length of ada moawad’s tenure on the case, per Kitz’ press release.
Blink’s 18 mos leaves O’Donnell on the case until approx end Dec 2011. That’s a long time to leave a “detective” in place whose work did not bear fruit. And then to send him to dog patrol.
Not my 18 mos, that was straight out of an Underhill/Staton filing.
Super Interesting the 60 persons of interest to include RSO’s. When TH is RSO’s were a possibility, she was told there were zero in the vicinity. Zero.
B
@ATG That’s why it would be fascinating to determine who importuned the Chief Judge
to assign a man who had never before sat in Family Court.
My bet is on an MCDA Office inhabitant.
@ T. Ruth says:
July 5, 2016 at 12:15 pm
@cd says:
July 4, 2016 at 3:46 pm
Dang good question. Why does DY & the Davidson clan even associate with these people”
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Does $33,000 work for an answer?
OT wise to do this & refurbish while int rates are low, before the Pres election results may drive up.
http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2016/07/portland_public_schools_plans_2.html#incart_big-photo
However, many schools’ physical plants like Skyline’s have not been evaluated nor an independent audit prioritzed
eled, mid-ed, & HS based on objective criteria.
And until PPS has a real businesslike Supt and reigns in Admin costs…..?
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How far, in the abduction from inside Skyline School, would Administrators go to hide facts?
Imo as far as they’d go to game Bond proceeds in application.
http://portlandtribune.com/pt/9-news/313866-192735-police-chief-expresses-remorse-for-2002-confrontation-with-former-stepsoOLive's story link now goes to file not found.
“Not His Finest Hour” should assign himself to Transit Police imo.
Slender cleft jaws only go so far.
IA tried to find Anonymousl Reporter, not investigate the allegation. And destroyed evidence.
“….of initiating an investigation, then Internal Affairs Capt. John Tellis sent the first letter to the forensic division to try to lift fingerprints from the letter or envelope, according to the reports.
In the course of trying to lift fingerprints from it, the original letter was contaminated and he instructed a forensic criminalist to destroy it, Tellis told the detective later assigned to investigate. Tellis also told the detective that nothing was initially done because “it didn’t rise to the level of a complaint,” the reports reveal.
An internal affairs lieutenant verified that account. The police bureau apparently did a background check and concluded that Marshman had no dependents, and since the first letter was anonymous and no fingerprints were found on it, “it just died,” then-Lt. Jay Drum said, according to police reports.
How does one know the extent of an injury as it relates to a felony charge without interviewing the victim?
I would also think an indentation in a wall would have to yield significant force?
B
above http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2016/07/chief_mike_marshman_calls_2002_1.html#incart_2box
@NelMel wrt your fruitful thoughts. (Suggest serving pasta w a fruit salad in this case.)
Surely Tony the Medford Detective Experienced Testifier would’ve told her courts look at the here & now, not the past, the there & then, unless there was corroborated physical abuse. And there wasn’t. . Kaine coukd’ve screamed loud ‘& long aboutmother this or that, but in 09-10, a Judge woukd’ve looked at her current functioning. And if DY was fearful, Tony would’ve oriented her via his gut & experience. Unless Tony/DY felt best off with the status quo.
@MBS. ….Charlene Woods….
& what euphemisms now: “one’s challenges as a step parent” said Mayor Hales.
http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2016/07/chief_mike_marshman_calls_2002_1.html#incart_2box