Dr. Phil Show Hosts Missing Portland Child Kyron Horman’s Step Mom Terri Horman Over Two Episodes
I have been covering this case since Kyron Horman disappeared from Skyline School in June, 2010.   Like most missing persons cases I have covered in the past, I am of the strong opinion that best efforts at the truth are the only way to propel investigations that, similarly to Kyron’s, have gone cold for one reason or another.  This approach has worked in resolving some of my previous cases.  I am proud of that. I remain steadfast to the integrity involved in those and future cases.
Over the past 10 months (or so) I have been developing an updated series on Kyron’s case to include my multiple interviews with Kyron’s step-mom, Terri Horman.  Needless to say as she was the subject of at least three simultaneous cases before an Oregon court and remains a person of interest by the agency investigating her sons disappearance, this has been an arduous and sometimes delicate journey.   Ms. Horman’s experiences during the ongoing investigation of the disappearance of Kyron Horman are critically important to propelling his case and with great hope- finding the truth about what happened to this cherubic and innocent child.  There are dozens of sources, collateral interviews, forensic experts and legal analysts that also contribute to my series and have done so because of their belief that my motivation is to bring to light information and opinions in such a way that would almost “require” a focused review of Kyron’s case and the likely shaking of that proverbial tree everyone talks about.
Set to publish about 6-ish weeks ago I was asked to postpone the first installment of the series, which I did. I subsequently learned Ms. Horman was participating in the Dr. Phil program after she completed taping. Dr. Phils producers were well aware that Ms. Horman had interviewed with me extensively, and anticipated my series would be publishing information that was not known to the public previously in the days prior to her scheduled episode.   When Ms. Horman conveyed to me that she feels obligated to speak out about “her son” in any national medium that will have her,  I most certainly respected that. I still do.
While Dr. Phil seems like a gregarious fellow for sure,  I have zero interest in being associated with his program, nor do I believe his shows content is designed to do any furtherance of investigation or truth. There is much concern (although I have no affiliation to the show whatsoever) that the timing of the publication of my series on the Kyron Horman matter might be interpreted differently or inadvertently contribute to the programs content or audience reactions.    Not what I signed on for.  A missing 7 year old boy six years running is not a framework for entertaining a target audience.  He is not fodder for online social media bully campaigns- yet it occurs.
I will be publishing my series on Kyron’s case at a later date, in it’s entirety with no editing adjustments as a result of any of the appearances on Dr. Phil. Â I appreciate your patience and your understanding. Â Feel free to discuss the show below.
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Rose, You said “I am not a behaviorist…” I say, you should be, because you definitely exhibit the expertise. What I think you are saying is people without personality disorders don’t “act out” under personal stress. I can see that. Like Blink said, (I paraphrase) it could be that TH is a “safe” target to blame because she would never hurt Kyron. DY seems to have had a rough childhood and a somewhat unstable adulthood from what we know.
Her emotional distress while pregnant, to me is understandable, as is her current emotional distress. (Who would want to be a single mom if not by choice, and who would want to be the mom of a missing child, unless they themselves participated). What is hard to understand is her alliances and her husband’s passive approval of those alliances, that coupled with her acceptance of the status quo with the investigators on the case.
Sometimes I don’t think we will know the truth until she and KH are ready to accept the truth. And they may never be. Who can blame them though.
@erose. Beautifully written.
To paraphrase both you & Blink, “…could be that TH is a “safe” target to blame because she would never hurt Kyron.”
My concern is Desiree’s “targeting” methods over time (physical stalking, multiple interviews and written statements demanding Terri “pay”, and use of Facebook surrogates who combine violent threats with money-raising)of “safe” Terri as her delusional scapegoat for “whodunnit” are not safe, not safe at all. And the DA, Sheriff, press, & spouse doing nothing to mitigate or regulate those unsafe threats at all.
My concern regarding the posts about the behavior of DY is that some
“nut case” could be energized to make a physical attack on TM.
We don’t have enough information on DY to trace her behavior from an early age. Each of us are a unique individual, different than all others, because of heredity and the social life of ourselves and our parents when we are children and youths.
Fractured families are often very unstable, creating a serious situation for their off-spring regarding beliefs and behaviors. Sometimes these fractures result in a person with very strong character and a sense of always striving to do the right thing. I hope this happened with James Moulton.
I agree with you and Rose (and others) on the issue of inciting violence or harassment, etc, because this has actually happened. There are actual police reports in multiple jurisdictions re same.
I also agree that non nuclear and sometimes fractured families can produce a positive outcome as a result.
B
There is evidence in history that this is not a new thing for the 20th and 21st centuries. It happened in colonial times and all through the following centuries.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-switch/wp/2018/06/21/intel-ceo-resigns-over-past-consensual-relationship-with-an-employee-that-violated-company-rules/
Intel’s chief executive Brian Krzanich resigned after an investigation showed he had a consensual relationship with an employee, a violation of the company’s non-fraternization policy for managers, Intel said in a statement Thursday.
His departure comes amid a broad reexamination of the treatment of women in the workplace and in informal business arrangements in Hollywood and Silicon Valley. In this case, the affair was consensual. But Intel has a strict policy that forbids managers to have romantic or sexual relationships with employees.
(snipped ^^more @link)
I only post this because I believe at one point, Blink said that KH had an affair with someone he worked with. If that is so, why wasn’t he let go? Wasn’t KH a “manager”? Was this one of KH’s bosses?
To my knowledge he was not in a mgt capacity (or supervisory) but it was a colleague. I am inclined to think nobody knew about it within Intel and it ended pretty shortly after Kyron’s disappearance. She was not part of the disollution proceedings and I do not believe she has ever been interviewed by MCSO. Terri believed they were simply friends as explained to her by Kaine when she voiced her concerns- it is my understanding that Terri did not have any confirmation there was a romantic relationship until the divorce/custody case began.
Even if Intel became aware after the fact, I would say that likely fell under one of the areas of Kaine’s “dont talk about me or my situation to the media” in his original Intel email blast so I don’t anyone was willing to walk back on it if they were ever told or learned about it. Kaine’s work computer was never even seized by MCSO, only Terri’s.
B
With his brother’s conviction history, and stepmother’s removal of her adolescent son from his ambit, one would think father & his lovers would be scrutinized by investigators to include mirroring their hard drives. Sloppy.
Very. That’s what happens when you assign a case to LE with zero similar experience or training.
B
Intel learned of Mr. Krzanich’s relationship in the past week from an employee who raised concerns, according to people familiar with the matter. The company said an investigation by internal and external counsel into what it called “a past consensual relationship” confirmed a violation of its nonfraternization policy, which was put into place in 2011 and applies to all managers.
(snipped)
https://www.wsj.com/articles/intel-ceo-brian-krzanich-resigns-after-violating-company-policy-1529586884
I thought Kaine was in a management/supervisory role, but no matter I guess because according to this article, the INTEL policy didn’t take effect until 2011. Interesting timing. And yes, I too wonder if that memo to INTEL staff where he states that he’s already contacted INTEL legal, may have had something to do with the scrutiny KH knew he would now be under.
Unbelievable that they did not confiscate every family member’s computer! They did that in the C.A. case didn’t they? Seems like it would be protocol.
Maybe they couldn’t get a warrant. Did TMH volunteer her computer, or was it seized?
More news of the day:
Supreme Court rules police typically need warrants to access cell phone location info
Chief Justice John Roberts joined the four justices appointed by Democratic presidents in the decision Friday, which continued an expansion by the Roberts court of privacy rights in a digital age.
The Justice Department under both the Obama and Trump administrations argued that no warrant is required for access to cell-phone location information, because the user voluntarily reveals that data to the phone company.
Roberts said the realities of modern life make that distinction too simple, especially considering the way many humans and their phones have become essentially inseparable.
“A cell phone—almost a ‘feature of human anatomy,’ … tracks nearly exactly the movements of its owner. While individuals regularly leave their vehicles, they compulsively carry cell phones with them all the time,” the chief justice wrote. “A cell phone faithfully follows its owner beyond public thoroughfares and into private residences, doctor’s offices, political headquarters, and other potentially revealing locales….Accordingly, when the Government tracks the location of a cell phone it achieves near perfect surveillance, as if it had attached an ankle monitor to the phone’s user.”
Roberts said the courts could not look the other way at that intrusion simply because the way phones work requires sharing that information with wireless carriers.
“Given the unique nature of cell phone location records, the fact that the information is held by a third party does not by itself overcome the user’s claim to Fourth Amendment protection,” the chief justice wrote. “Whether the Government employs its own surveillance technology…or leverages the technology of a wireless carrier, we hold that an individual maintains a legitimate expectation of privacy in the record of his physical movements as captured through CSLI (Cell Site Location Information).”
(snipped, more @link)
https://www.politico.com/story/2018/06/22/supreme-court-warrants-cell-phone-location-664484
fwiw. right on the law, but too bad. http://cdn.ca9.uscourts.gov/datastore/memoranda/2018/06/18/16-35566.pdf
I stumbled on this while looking up the Supervisor of Enforcement (Investigations) Gates, who Reese seems to have tasked with some youtubes for the public, not that he’s photogenic on them. When it comes to the current Kyron investigation, look to the Chief Deputy of Enforcement for accountability.
the way I see it, the current Sheriff is a PERS double-dipper (ppb & mcso) who’ll retire a year or two before the end of the term he will be elected to in Nov, so Kafoury can appoint the next Dem yes-man timely as is the Oregon way. His former HS guidance counselor wife is already retired on PERS, so none too soon can they vacation in Hawaii in their golden years. In the meantime I hope Chief Outlaw humiliates him a little by contrast with her professionalism.
I think that MCSO and other LE agencies in the area are very afraid to mess with Intel and their employees. Therefore, they give them a pass unless there is very hard evidence to support an investigation. They would need a warrant to seize a company owned computer even though it was in the possession of an employee outside the work place.
mcso has some (newish?) website graphics & verbiage, ie
the Enforcement Branch under Gates has 95 “sworn staff”
(are only deputies sworn?)
That’s mcso exclusive of Corrections & services to inates, and Business.
Covers ground patrols & River Patrols, investigations/detectives, civil process, community policing, etc.
https://www.mcso.us/site/enforcement.php
As it happens, Gates has 12 Units that share those 95 sworn souls (&presumeably some are 24 hr shifts in nature).
https://www.mcso.us/site/investigations.php
Not much leeway for specialization of tasks.
he looks younger in some of these pics than I thought, say early 50s? He’ll likely be the Accountable Supervisor for Kyron’s case for another decade. I wonder his hiring year? The absent hair & bullneck has pricked my interest given what we’ve learned about steroid use by various LE locally.
a Brewery & lotsa muscle cars.
What more could a dad want?
https://m.facebook.com/kyronscarshow/
ot human interest. @erose. last week on arrival in Seattle, we promptly went to the waterfront to Pike Place Market to eat. Gratified to have a rare parallel spot adjacent to the waterfront, just past a police suv we thot was at the busy intersection to quell traffic, I dispatched the males for seafood and exited to enjoy looking around, as I heard sudden shout & turned to see several police vehicles had appeared. a number of young white male officers were pointing AR l5s (or something) at the group (of likely homeless) in the park screaming some kind of instructions to someone, guns raised. Who knew at who? Who knew what weapon that person had? Would it be gun on gun? Who knew if shots were going to fly striking pedestrians and cars. I ducked back onto the car floor thinking it useless and phoned the husbd/son last seen walking to that intersection to run for cover. It turned out after much yelling and auto weapon pointing, they got their man…,I saw a babbling older black male, obviously confused and mentally ill, bundled up hands behind back sitting on their bumper well out of it. One certainly understood why the homeless mentally ill get shot by police in Portland and other States. These officers were fools. Who would point loaded auto rifles into a crowded park and market? I gather they got a call from a patron of the park (likely a rival homeless man). That is, I bet one homeless person decided to get rid of someone troublesome, or whose space he wanted. But what sane babbling mentally ill geezer would do something irrational such as walk towards a bunch of white young officers pointing auto rifles at him and screaming? These officers asked for trouble. Then I found this: https://www.thestranger.com/slog/archives/2011/06/28/ar-15-left-sitting-on-trunk-of-seattle-police-car
Pine runs down to the Market.
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fhttp://archive.constantcontact.com/fs011/1102356663680/archive/1102830169589.html posted for old times’ sake, Nov 2009
Staton certainly had a lustrous career until the medication he was taking for his injuries sideswiped him.
I thought Yandell was new (Desiree’s relentless aggressive det.) but there he is in 2009 cleaning up a pig farm.
Another familiar name, Det Yohe, appears a couple of times and appears to be part of the lustrous River Patrol deputy group.He got an award for pulling someone from the water in the dark.
And there’s Lt Shults whose name appeared wrt Kyron in 2010. Has he retired?
The page is not found any more but at the bottom, WW said there was four candidates for Sheriff filing in the Nov primary. Wonder who?
“Two Races, Four Candidates: A New Filing for the MultCo Sheriff Primary- Willamette Week”
end of school slide show Skyline.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=fqILsD6mp9E&feature=youtu.be
iirc Ms Porter’s class is c 10:56.
hard to see on a phone but sillouette seems a bit like Stormy D.
down memory lane
https://portlandtribune.com/component/content/article?id=31624
current Chief of Enforcement was apparently a Staton favorite. by 1 month
after Nov 2009, he made Captn. By early 2011, he was a Chief Deputy.
In this article 2 weeks after the abduction, he tells the public, in a press event to dispel rumors, Terri was the last known person to see Kyron. Apparently within the school community it was known he was seen with others after she left.
Gates “corrected” that indirectly. Moreover it was one week earlier mcso asked for sightings of her truck, pointing out she was their focus. One wonders why Reese is so supportive of an investigation supv who can make zero headway on the case?
workable nov 09 archive, one hopes
http://archive.constantcontact.com/fs011/1102356663680/archive/1102830169589.html
One wishes Kyron had been taken, if someone was driven to do so, in June 2009, not 2010, before Skipper retired and an inexperienced accountant and former military man, whose MCSO background was numbers, hazmat, & diving, took over and completely shook up and replaced the command staff, sidelining Tim Moore who was at least knowledgeable and promoting the familiar from River Patrol like Gates, who promoted more river patrollers in 2010.
Besides pretty much all of mcso’s command staff, what was different in 2010 from June 2009? The Horman’s divorce at Terri’s instigation was imminent. She had a way out and a plan initiated with moving James. Disposing of Kyron was hardly necessary. When she left, Desiree would either get off her dime and file for custody, or not, but the war between Kaine & Desiree would no longer sap Terri’s energy.
And, Skyline School since the previous fall had been crawling with various types of contractors, laborers, nonprofit employees, PPS County maintenance personel related to bldg contracts & structural work, & some of the several nonprofits personnel had political & business connections. the S4S proj mgr actually had to go in classrooms & do lessons.
All these folks who were onsite in 2009-10 for the then leadership OR project were suspects. What a job for MCSO to obtain that list of people on site during the school year from all stakeholders and verify the whereabouts on June 4 of likely over 50 adult males who’d previously passed thru Skyline’s site designing, assessing infrastructure, bidding on, teaching about, etc the project. electricians, roofers, construction mgrs, BEF employees, S4S employees, funding sources, OR Energy Trust folks, PPS hdqtrs & construction dept employees, the list goes on and on. I can’t imagine a single detective in mcso capable of it. It would take a devoted LE team several months to manage that task alone. Needed to be FBI. But the OR Field Office Dir wasn’t capable of it either and imo was likely forced into retirement over the Mohammed teen setup bungling if not additional bungling. It was his first Dir of a Field Office job. Now he has a cushy mcso job and is part of the mcso work-product coverup. FBI personnel needed to come from fbi hdqtrs. http://www.learninglandscapesdesign.com/portland-s-skyline-school-installs-a-90-wind-turbine/
Originally this was a roof solar panels project, but the bldg electrical grid couldn’t handle the energy intake. 3% intake with a toy turbine was doable. I clicked thru to Energy Trust of OR as directed in the article above, a name not evident in 2010. Then Bonneville Ed Fdtn was puffed as the parent nonprofit of Solar4Schools. Current Board dominated by bisiness & ex-govt workers, https://www.energytrust.org/2018/04/17/energy-trust-of-oregon-board-of-directors-elects-officers-for-2018/ likely political appointee types.
I have a long distance fantasy that OR Sheriffs, who strike me as mostly rural and “red,” are like the inordinately politically-powerful locally TX County Road Commissioners of the 1950s. State Police need to take over more of their “investigatory” powers Statewide so that more career professional detectives are assigned to major cases. But I don’t see local Sheriffs ceding a dram of power, and they’re elected, so who would make them? The only leverage point is a County Chair and the power of the yearly budget approval. Kafoury strikes me as Reese’s poodle, in Geo Will terms. So as long as she’s County Chair, this expensive case will be in Multnomah’s taxpayers’ laps without further progress. The bios should care.
So I’m thinking back to the June 2010 and June 2011 era wondering who was the County Chair (tho too lazy to look it up) in charge of the MCSO Budget who failed in every way to hold mcso accountable for the investigation merits and its mammoth and oft unwarranted (the overtime, pers gravy train) expenditures. LE must’ve had something real good on the County Chair that served as indirect or latent blackmail in quality.
Please forgive the reference to poodles but it’s new vocab to me. My daughter’s antique one howls by day & night in old age. She was the poorly breed product (for diseases) of the worst of OR kennels, & I long for poodle peace.
The only explanation for the tolerance of 2 County Chairs for MCSO Horman case extreme expenditures is they see exceptional progress, or they are subject to indirect blackmail by County LE due to personal foibles known to LE but not the public, or gross incompetence, or a personal fondness for the Sheriff. Reese was no great shakes at PPB; he was virtually run off the job by the Mayor & rightly so. There has been no case progress since 2010. Kafoury is not grossly incompetent across the board. That leaves 2 alternatives.
Jeff cogen. that explains it.
Became Chief in May 2010 & was in charge of mcso budget thru Sept 2013.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeff_Cogen
Cocaine, marijuana, & supervisee mistress.
What more could Staton want to overlook extraordinary
profligate pers-enabling spending despite inadequate investigatory
personnel & lack of progress?
Cogen must’ve followed his brother’s coattails from the Northeast.
https://bullardlaw.com/people/mitchell-j-cogen/
His brother’s Union contacts & influence likely started, & attempted to save, Cogen’s career. https://www.google.com/amp/s/articles.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2013/11/jeff_cogen_scandal_oregon_depa.amp
So imo whenever MCSO and other local Unions’ reps said Jump (ie those covering PPS, truckers), Cogen would say how high?
oh heck. County Chair’s Union-specialist bro was not only the one who brought him to Oregon & got him his jobs, he was his drug supplier: https://www.google.com/amp/s/articles.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2013/11/jeff_cogen_scandal_oregon_atto.amp
So anyway, at least Grand Jury 1 was a Shrunk -Frink supervisory event featuring The Man Who Would Be King after them, Underhill, and underling Rees. Who tasked the latter to go to a grand jury twice on exculpatory evidence? And Why? Someone else Mitch supplied?
Tiny? more political insight?
Mitch reps Sheriffs’ Offices sued by employees: https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.apnews.com/amp/5fc71494b2cb480b9bab5095d7d4cffc
Wonder who he wrote any suit threats to in Multnomah when his brother was County Chair? Wonder how scared of him Shrunk/Frink were politically with his Unions contacts/influence? Wonder if Staton depended on him at any time?
btw AG Ellen comes off well in none of her
investigations ie Cogen result. How close was
Mitch to the then WW publisher husband?
Bruce McCain looks at Mitch’s supplying a controlled substance to his claimed client (brother)
http://www.victoriataft.com/tag/mitchell-cogen/
One can’t imagine AG Ellen referring him to OR Bar.
Her Chief of Staff btw is the well-connected
Kafoury husband who said on hiring he’d be living in Salem.
http://www.thenewstribune.com/news/local/crime/article213651959.html
It was DNA, a genealogist and perseverance that zeroed in on Michella Welch’s suspected killer after 32 years.
On Friday, Pierce County prosecutors charged Gary Charles Hartman, 66, with first-degree murder and first-degree rape in the death of the 12-year-old Tacoma girl.
(snipped)
Read more here: http://www.thenewstribune.com/news/local/crime/article213651959.html#storylink=cpy
Another one down. Yay DNA!!
Significant publicity in Feb 2010 that steroid use by officers, or knowledge & failure to disclosure and take LE action in two abutting LE jurisdictions results in loss if job & LE certification: https://www.google.com/amp/s/articles.oregonlive.com/clackamascounty/index.ssf/2010/02/former_canby_police_officer_se.amp
One police chief Kroepin left the State rather than face investigation & consequences.
Dodn’t realize Traverso’s family owned Canby Landscaping; I’d thought him more the bum sort, but he was integrated in his community.
I don’t think a distribution system touched Wash Cty & Canby and missed Multnomah, a bigger LE market.
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Goes back to motive for MCSO “overlooking” Kaine’s use during the investigation when “coverup” of use had consequences recently publicized as leading to cert revokation & had just had such publicity. Wasn’t because an mcso employee, even one dumb as a post, just figuratively fell in love with Kaine, the also known to investigators as a contemporaneous adulterer, over Terri.
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Motive more likely self-interested. If mcso steroid users existed, they were most likely from patrol—river & land—and known to their supervisor, who’d just had notice via publicity of Chief Kroeplin’s “fleeing” the State because he’d be heldaccountable.
In March 2010 we see Gates headed land patrol: http://www3.multco.us/budgetwebFY11All/PDF/60063A-MINT.pdf
And River Patrol http://www3.multco.us/budgetwebFY11Adopted/PDF/60065B-ADOPTED.pdf
He was over patrol in 2009 but in Nov 2009 Staton promoted him from Captn to Lt. https://www.google.com/amp/s/articles.oregonlive.com/news/index.ssf/2009/12/multnomah_county_sheriff_makes.amp
In June 2010 Lt Gates was a prominent mcso spokesman pinning the tail on Terri in media interviews right up front within the first week with visuals, ie Spot that truck? Pretty responsible spot for a deputy whose area is Patrol. Maybe he volunteered as the Most Photogenic for the camera when important facts were released to the public. Anyway, Staton really depended on him.
in 2011 iirc he was promoted to Chief Deputy, Enforcement, which has put him ever since in charge of the deput(ies) handling this investigation. He assigns them; he gets their reports.
We know Staton’s motive to overlook steroid use. He had them, prescribed, to treat his job injuries, and they appeared to affect his moods and temperment. Why would Enforcement Chief, though, look the other way on Kaine’s steroid use when “cover up” had had such dire consequences in Wash Cty Sheriffs’ and Canby police, rather than do a branch off investigation and roll up Kaine’s supply chain to protect the County? A 5State Federal roll up of suppliers captured a friend of Kaine’s per Blink. But in 2010-2011 that Multnomah-based supplier network of Kaine’s should have been at the forefront of Gates’ Horman abduction investigation given Terri’s previous report to the DEA. Blink, when Terri made her report, did she name Kaine’s supplier to LE?
Anyway, imo first as head of Patrol and later head of Enforcement to include Investigations 2011ff, Gates was either profoundly negligent on this case investigatory branch or had something to hide that he feared on a personal/professional level.
2017 steroid problem hasn’t gone away http://www.kptv.com/story/37095371/washington-county-sheriffs-office-deputy-arrested-on-steroids-charge
Rose- I am only comfortable saying that Terri gave information to LE both prior to and during her post Kyron disappearance interviews that resulted in arrests of some of those individuals for crimes she provided intel (regarding.)
This would be another irrefutable fact- How is it a different agency found this woman credible?
B
Just checking to see if my post from yesterday is here.
Googling up, I read an article by an LE steroid use journalist who said across the US supvs tend to overlook & le police unions tend to protect. Segued from there to a Maxine Bernstein article in 2013 PPB Union tried to get into union le contract it was OK to test positive (testing began in 2011 or 12) if due to supplements, which effectively OK’d any source. idk if it actually became a contract term.
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What interests me is AG Ellen’s husband’s paper WW long promoted legal mj, so I’m wondering if Mitch supplied Meeker as well as his brother. If so, that’s a good one Mitch could hold over an AG’s head when she’s investigating Jeff for criminal conduct in office. (she cleared him.) And why didn’t PPB in Reese’s Chief tenure go after Jeff & his CA coke supplier, or Union- reppingMitch and his distributee network, etc. Imo same sort of reasons these LE agencies in Multnomah didn’t go after steroid distribution networks—self-interest.
It did not- it does not appear on the list of substances to be found illegal within the Union contract. Unbelievable, but true.
B
“How is it a different agency found this woman credible?
B”
There is something rotten in Denmark
within the command structure of MCSO
dating to Nov 2009 or before, and the
Feds (DEA maybe, & FBI joint)
need to put a very long term informant(s)
sting operation in the agency. Imo in OR easier
to do in a Fed Republican admin than a Dem one.
“How is it a different agency found this woman credible?
B” I forgot. That different agency was
Federal & not a local agency with their own
personnel in jeopardy of what betided in
Canby and Washington Cty Sheriff’s.
Well factually, the DEA as they acted on her information several times up to and including the arrest/indictment of named persons directly related to her husband’s purchase of steroids and the subsequent removal of them from her home, as well as what ensued following her LE interviews. I will say again this is my opinion only, but I do not believe the the original stipulation that included verbiage re criminal charges (Kaine) was a clerical error. It is my belief he acted as a CI as opposed to facing his own charges. He openly admitted to a felony in a deposition- I don’t know any counsel that would “allow” that in a civil deposition that was not positive there would be no legal implications.
I would add that through sources from both agencies, MCSO and the FBI, I am told the FBI does not believe Terri is or should be the target suspect in Kyron’s disappearance. That intel was the beginning of the unraveling of the Staton/MCSO relationship, imo.
Lastly, to this day, Terri Horman has never been requested to participate in a MCSO interview since July 2010. Not once.
Who does that make sense to?
B
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Well, url below says in 2012 retired Judge Ellen (what judge retires so youthfully?) rode marijuana interests to primary victory. http://www.wweek.com/portland/blog-29053-marijuana-petitioner-will-make-secretary-of-states-race-tighter.html
Read that as businesses who wanted it legalized to propel stratospheric sales.
Wonder where Brown’s chief of staff, Kafoury’s husband, stood then?
One wonders how Jas Pitkin lasted so long
covering crime, courts, LE, & Kyron before Meeker canned him?
I’m not gonna track their synagogues but the Meekers & Mitch Cogan’s names are both on here somewhere per google. https://cdn.fedweb.org/fed-29/2/annualreport_2014_web.pdf?v=1421449816
If I looked, bet some paths are crossed w/Kantor’s bus partner Sachs, The Translator (Rudy), maybe even Bernstein.
No 3 over Kyron’s investigation, after Reese & Gates, is Harry Smith. He was loaned by Staton to be acting
Chief of Police in Fairview, where he colabored with Gates to promote merging his Dept with mcso.
https://portlandtribune.com/go/42-news/354323-234122-council-eyes-hard-numbers-for-police-merger
His reward post merger was to be installed as head of Investigations. Pretty big promotional leap.
Dramatic lack of experience for same.
I forgot how these good ol social circles hang together.
After Kantor pulled this one and got public disapproval, his reelection chances predicted retirement was wise imo:
https://www.google.com/amp/s/articles.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2014/06/judge_victims_grandma_dont_see.amp
Rosenblum for some reason wanted to put this other freakish looking man on the Multnomah Circuit bench so she created a job for Kantor as her Special Counsel. Imo he was not qualified to replace this Souwede as GC.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/articles.oregonlive.com/politics/index.ssf/2017/07/kate_browns_state_lawyer_skipp.amp
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fascinated w/how people like Kantor get on the bench in Multnomah County.
up until Rosenblum made him her GC, & she & Brown then put him on the Multnomah bench, he had (imo) a poor career for a Harvard law grad. https://www.linkedin.com/in/benjamin-souede-7257823b Chose Portland as a start. He apparently was not sought after in 9th Circuit firms after 2 yrs with Graber nor was he going after working in a law firm. He wanted to move to DC. Then someone (Graber, Wyden?) with the power to do so persuaded the competent Senator from NY to hire him in her Senate office where he lasted 9 months. It would take someone very powerful to persuade Wms & Connelly to take him on, where he lasted 18 months. Wms & Connally is a top (& clean) shop. The inept or a West Coast stoner would not last there. Back to a Portland Labor & Employment firm, then to another. He was a Partner, even a seasoned associate, nowhere & AG Ellen makes him her GC? then a Judge? My opinion of her professionally is unprintable, but I’m suspicious whether he knew Meeker, the Cogens, or was ever gotten jobs by Wyden.
Based on her appointments alone, well one could add in those she passed on prosecuting like Cogen, one wonders why the Feds never investigated whether the OR AG was subject to blackmail (direct or indirect) by drug commercial interests.
I was wrong. Brown’s GC not AG’s GC.
Tho the AG got Kantor off the bench for Brown with a specially created job.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/articles.oregonlive.com/politics/index.ssf/2017/07/kate_browns_state_lawyer_skipp.amp
So, how did this professionally background-weak & politically-inexperienced guy get to be any governor’s GC? A Unions connection? marijuana-friendly with commercial interests? Bi community?
ot One sees where Wyden’s advocacy interests lie: https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.statesmanjournal.com/amp/962065001
Bet he’s bffs with Cogens & the ilk.
Really, really o/t Rose, That is one crazy experience you’ll not soon forget. Almost 30 years ago when my Mom came to visit, my sis and I took her to Pike Place. We parked on the waterfront and came up the back steps to street level. We walked past someone shooting what I assumed was heroin into their arm. They are putting mega-bucks into that area (google viaduct replacement tunnel Seattle), but until they address the homelessness and educate the police force it will never change. At least it hasn’t in 30 yrs.
I spent the day with the Puyallup Tribe of Indians at a ceremony where they renamed the Ole & Charlies Marina at Hylebos in anticipation of their 2018 Canoe Race, where all the west cost tribes will congregate.
http://paddletopuyallup.org/
The toxic pollution left by Occidental has no comparison nationally…
http://tacomawaterfront.org/worst-pollution-in-commencement-bay/
How they got the land. Not expecting you to read this all, of course.
https://casedocuments.darrp.noaa.gov/northwest/cbay/pdf/cbhyover.pdf
At the marina (now named “the landing” in their native language) I could see Mt Rainier and Commencement Bay and the Hylebos wetlands. This state has a lot of problems and a lot of beauty. Hope you got to take in some beauty, too.
Thanks for the information erose. Did you read all of “How they Got the Land”?.
This site has been under investigation for pollution since 1991. Chemicals and their processes often include materials that are toxic.
One of the real problems I learned in working with the EPA is that they are overloaded with chemists who are limited in practical knowledge of how to approach problems. They are “laboratory experts”.
I didn’t read the entire piece, but did read enough to understand that they have not found a proper solution to the remediation. This paper was written as a progress report and at the same time a reason for acquiring more funds for clean-up.
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This isn’t the first time that the telecom giant has been accused of helping the U.S. government spy on its people.
AT&T has a secret program called Project Hemisphere that searches through trillions of phone call records. It then analyzes cell data to find where the person making the call is located, along with the person on the other end of the call’s location and possibly details of the call.
When Hemisphere was reported by The New York Times in 2013, it was labeled as a partnership between AT&T and the U.S. government. At the time, Justice Department officials claimed the program was essential as a counter-narcotics tool.
However, Hemisphere was used for much more than the war on drugs. It was reportedly also used to investigate everything from Medicaid fraud to homicides.
“The Daily Beast” says Hemisphere isn’t a partnership, instead it is a product that was developed by AT&T. It was then sold to the U.S. government for millions of taxpayer dollars.
AT&T’s own documents say that no warrant is needed to access Hemisphere’s data. Law enforcement’s only requirement in using the data is to not disclose Hemisphere in a publicized investigation.
All telecommunication companies are obligated by law to hand over these types of records from its database. What sets AT&T apart from other companies is the amount of records it has.
AT&T owns over 75 percent of U.S. landline switches and has the second largest share of cell towers and wireless infrastructure. It keeps cell tower data going all the way back to 2008. Whereas Verizon only keeps those records for one year and Sprint keeps them for 18 months.
AT&T keeps details of every phone call, text, or other communication that has been made on its infrastructure dating back to the late 1980s. The New York Times says this database has trillions of records and is larger than any phone record database collected by the NSA under the Patriot Act. AT&T is allegedly being paid as much as $1 million a year by different police departments for access to Hemisphere.
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https://www.komando.com/happening-now/467544/att-helps-nsa-spy-on-americans
The AT&T Hemisphere program is not surprising. Their outside plant networks and large switching centers across the United States and other countries far surpassed the facilities of other carriers. Automated-computer based switching equipment was developed in the 1970′s.
Today, all switching equipment is fully computer automated by carriers of every type including land lines and cell systems. Storage of data was a problem in the beginning, but today with advanced technology in disk drives relating to capacity and the development of solid state memory devices has largely eliminated space and cost considerations.
The fact that AT&T has recognized that call data is valuable and the Hemisphere program provides a valuable service that can be a revenue stream is the way that they have always worked.
The Bell Laboratory in New Jersey has been the site for advanced studies and development of products relating to communications and computers for a hundred years and more.
I read most all erose. Twould have been splendid to be at that
waterfront on canoe race weekend. So many tribes! Just sat down on a bench next to an older couple who flew in from Salem OR for The March. Retirees from No Cal who said you have to move to OR from CA to retire. Said No Ca was just as politicalky corrupt for financial interests as OR.
All the steroid talk makes me think back to the story told by one of DAD’s friends. I can not find a link but it was along the lines of DAD was paranoid over a cover-up he was involved in with which a LEO and he put a body in a trunk. All was truly rumor but if this was not some random bad guy grabbing any 7 year old boy from a busy school day but rather a targeted abduction of Kyron….why? A masterminded plot of some housewife and her friend or a message from someone that can actually mastermind a crime. A seasoned criminal, someone in law enforcement, government or media. Terri is no mastermind…just look at her track record. If trouble is there Terri seems to step right in it. She is not a mastermind, she is a patsy.
Right. Those that can’t do, hire. ( I made that up, but it is the MCSO theory, 100%) I didn’t say it makes any kind of sense, but that and the fact that they just seem to believe “Terri is very lucky”. I don’t remember the DAD issue re a body in a trunk or the nature of a cover up, but I do recall perhaps his house or one nearby was used for some sort of location shoot at one time.
Wrt to Terri being any sort of mastermind criminal- it would be laughable if it were not that a child remains missing to this day- and don’t let anyone fool you, MCSO does not believe for a hot second this child is alive, was alive then, or is being held anywhere. On that note- if anyone really believed that this was a Terri plot- and the sole priority was to recover this “secreted away” child- as a parent I would be demanding they just give her immunity to give up my kid- wouldn’t anyone if that really was the firm belief?
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I was watching a story last night on the Lacy Peterson (and son) murders. I saw some interviews with Scott Peterson I had not seen before and also the report gave some information I hadn’t heard before. In one part, he was asked why he was not speaking to the media, and when he said (not direct quote) *we need to keep this about Lacy, we’re not the ones the media should be looking at, it’s not about us*, I got chills. Where have we heard that before?
So here’s my question, I’m guessing Blink has this answer. Who was *running the show* as far as the family talking to the media? (Or in Kyron’s case, NOT talking.) Who was the first one to say “we need to keep this about Kyron” when the family was together in those first days. We know Kaine actually threw out some media, but whose idea was that? Was it his or someone else? We have heard TMH say (which has not been publicly refuted by anyone btw) that she was “told to lie” by LE.
Blink, do you know why the family did not plead for their missing son’s return in the early days? Did TMH tell you who was running the show wit in the family? Do you know whose idea it was and who came up with the statement that this needed to be only focused on Kyron? We already know that TY was telling the family what was going to happen and what to get ready for, so was it him? Was it Kaine? Was it someone else?
When I saw Scott Peterson say those words, I felt sick. It also reported that Scott Peterson would come in every day to the center they had set up to distribute flyers, etc. and remove every picture of Lacy that included himself from the bulletin board, and if they put up more, he would do the same, day after day.
Those words just creeped me out. “keep this about Lacy, it’s not about us”.
So T.Ruth, that is a very broad (but good) question. Unfortunately I don’t have just one answer because it changed over time and in some cases based on circumstances. To your question about who ran the show re media- absolutely it was Kaine, and there was input by Frink’s office and MCSO. I would suggest to you that the press conf at the church was the FBI’s contribution to the program and is/was standard protocol for non parental and unsub abduction and/or circumstance leading to Kyron’s disappearance.
As another example, Rod Underhill held the “request for public info” around Aug 22 or so- and this was in direct response from feedback from the sitting grand jury. I don’t think any parent or loved one is prepared for the high profile escalation process that has occurred in some of the cases we follow- and to be honest Scott Peterson is such a flagrant sociopath I doubt that really phased him.
Sorry I can’t be more specific, even out of context, but the only thing I can say with certainty is that one person WAS forbidden to speak to the media for years (in fact her representation may have hinged on it, that is standard in any criminal matters I work on) was Terri Horman.
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Ode says:
June 30, 2018 at 6:16 pm
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MCSO does not believe for a hot second this child is alive, was alive then, or is being held anywhere. On that note- if anyone really believed that this was a Terri plot- and the sole priority was to recover this “secreted away” child- as a parent I would be demanding they just give her immunity to give up my kid- wouldn’t anyone if that really was the firm belief?
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Put yourself in LE’s or the families place. If they really believed that giving Terri immunity would return their son why would they not immediately do so. Would they rather be right and get revenge or recover a hapless Kyron whom they all claim to love(8 yrs later). This would not even be a choice for me as long as I could get my son safely returned to me.
Is revenge is more important to these people then a living Kyron returned to them? I don’t really know but it seems odd. If you love your children that’s crazy.
So they either believe Kyron is deceased or Terri does not really know where he is.
It’s hard to believe that DY would rather have the satisfaction of revenge against Terri then her son returned to her but you never know about people.
Poor forgotten Kyron.
I will never believe DY would ever choose “revenge” over recovering her “kidnapped” son. DY also told Dr. Philmore that she believed Terri buried Kyron at the family home. The home that was cleared by the FBI by the morning light of June 5, 2010, and to my knowledge at least 11 more times by 2013.
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Ode says:
June 30, 2018 at 6:16 pm
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if anyone really believed that this was a Terri plot- and the sole priority was to recover this “secreted away” child- as a parent I would be demanding they just give her immunity to give up my kid- wouldn’t anyone if that really was the firm belief?
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Can you imagine laying in bed at night believing your child was being held against their will every day and night suffering who can imagine what, waiting for you to save them, and not doing everything in your power to find him. because you are more interested in getting your pound of flesh from Terri then saving him?
it’s hard to believe that any parent could be that heartless so DY and Kaine must have always thought Kyron was deceased or?
No Rose. I cannot. It is one of the reasons why I do not truly believe either Kaine nor DY believe that. It is a simple coping strategy.
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“ It is my belief he acted as a CI as opposed to facing his own charges. “
Now what family law divorce attorney would broker that CI/immunity
agreement for a divorce client even one who once worked for DEA.
No wonder she passed the baton in the firm. Unless he had an undisclosed criminal atty.
“Lastly, to this day, Terri Horman has never been requested to participate in a MCSO interview since July 2010. Not once. Who does that make sense to?
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Obviously that makes sense to Jason Gates, the Chief Deputy, Enforcement (Investigations Commander)
since 2013 who as early as the first week, while head of Land & River Patrol, appeared in public asking Terri in Truck to be a tip focus. One infers he synchophantically promotedStaton to Skipper, as he was richly rewarded after Staton became interim in Nov 09. And he is the one who seized on this case opportunistically imo to move up the Command structure. He must have a motive beyond agency self-promotion and stupidity.