Dr. Phil Show Hosts Missing Portland Child Kyron Horman’s Step Mom Terri Horman Over Two Episodes

I have been covering this case since Kyron Horman disappeared from Skyline School in June, 2010.    Like most missing persons cases I have covered in the past,  I am of the strong opinion that best efforts at the truth are the only way to propel investigations that, similarly to Kyron’s, have gone cold for one reason or another.   This approach has worked in resolving some of my previous cases.    I am proud of that.  I remain steadfast to the integrity involved in those and future cases.

Over the past 10 months (or so) I have been developing an updated series on Kyron’s case to include my multiple interviews with Kyron’s step-mom,  Terri Horman.   Needless to say as she was the subject of at least three simultaneous cases before an Oregon court and remains a person of interest by the agency investigating her sons disappearance, this has been an arduous and sometimes delicate journey.    Ms. Horman’s experiences during the ongoing investigation of the disappearance of Kyron Horman are critically important to propelling his case and with great hope- finding the truth about what happened to this cherubic and innocent child.    There are dozens of sources,  collateral interviews, forensic experts and legal analysts that also contribute to my series and have done so because of their belief that my motivation is to bring to light information and opinions in such a way that would almost “require” a focused review of Kyron’s case and the likely shaking of that proverbial tree everyone talks about.

Set to publish about 6-ish weeks ago I was asked to postpone the first installment of the series, which I did.  I subsequently learned Ms. Horman was participating in the Dr. Phil program after she completed taping.  Dr. Phils producers were well aware that Ms. Horman had interviewed with me extensively, and anticipated my series would be publishing information that was not known to the public previously in the days prior to her scheduled episode.    When Ms. Horman conveyed to me that she feels obligated to speak out about “her son” in any national medium that will have her,   I most certainly respected that.  I still do.

While Dr. Phil seems like a gregarious fellow for sure,   I have zero interest in being associated with his program, nor do I believe his shows content is designed to do any furtherance of investigation or truth.  There is much concern (although I have no affiliation to the show whatsoever) that the timing of the publication of my series on the Kyron Horman matter might be interpreted differently or inadvertently contribute to the programs content or audience reactions.     Not what I signed on for.   A missing 7 year old boy six years running is not a framework for entertaining a target audience.   He is not fodder for online social media bully campaigns- yet it occurs.

I will be publishing my series on Kyron’s case at a later date, in it’s entirety with no editing adjustments as a result of any of the appearances on Dr. Phil.   I appreciate your patience and your understanding.   Feel free to discuss the show below.

 

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  1. Rose says:

    If Annus, did he return to the scene not to obtain clothes for Closs, but to relive the abduction and take trophies? But, the first event was very organized & the second one, disorganized. Why would the Sheriff clear him? To follow him?

    Dunno- could literally be a squatter situation- my point is it is worthy of serious scrutiny for any “connects”.
    B

  2. Rose says:

    thank you for the Keyes article, erose.

  3. Rose says:

    a seasoned trial judge can’t get on the bench in Portland vs one of those governor’s
    pet apptmts —the State retire & appt system carries on.
    https://www.marylandvotes2018.com/ballot-questions/

  4. evie says:

    @Rose says:November 2, 2018 at 10:31 am
    “Can anyone figure out what patrol grid boundary the school was in?
    Perhaps it was South of 10?
    Could it always have been in Portland PB jurisdiction?”

    Rose, Skyline School is inside the District 10 patrol boundary on that map. The school is at the intersection of Skyline & Brooks Road. You can find it in the first southern ‘pimple’ where the map narrows from the top down.
    Strangely to me, Cornelius Pass Road is not detailed on that map, rather it’s mislabeled as McCroskey.
    On the District 10 map, the M of McCroskey sits at the intersection of Sheltered Nook Road (Horman residence) & Cornelius Pass Rd.

    I still have the recollection that PPB was responsible for all PPS properties as a first responder vs MCSO.

  5. Harleycolt says:

    I’m just wondering….this article we are commenting on is dated Sept 2016 & it has been 2 years later & you still can’t post your article?

    Why not after this long?

  6. Rose says:

    asking with Harleycolt…
    on the other hand, Teri has the most peace
    she’s ever had. Since the article content
    was her interviews, any press would
    send Desiree & Soldier in a fresh,
    vicious pursuit of her.

  7. Rose says:

    ot
    just saw a snippet of cnn weather—fires affecting Santa Rosa, Soldier’s publicized Teri area.
    Wishing her and all other Californuans safety & wellness. Amazing that Federal resources are in TX
    addressing an unarmed ragtag group, many women & children therefore not fearsome—
    still far away, yet Fed resources are not urgently deployed to citizens in actual life-
    threatening danger in California.

  8. Rose says:

    Apparently someone reported Soldier’s FB on Nov 8,
    so she switched for the following 30 days to her identical FB page
    to continue her antisocial activities. I’d thought it was
    unlike her to stop posting.
    (link to that essentially identical page posted on Oct 19
    iirc on her suspended page directing activity there.)
    FB is worse than useless
    at suspensions which target individual pages, not the
    administrators’ activities which likely host multiple pages,
    altho Soldier’s identical is brazen. But FB is not set up
    to catch brazen. This bodes ill for FB
    management of Russian & other automated bots on their site.

    I don’t have any direct or current info on that topic, but I am aware that FB “community page” has been the subject of LE communication previously.
    B

  9. Rose says:

    ot car was stolen & abandoned http://www.gettysburgtimes.com/news/national/article_16fff082-30e3-5aa5-9238-ec5285934eee.html

    Aware, poor kid. This Robeson county area has a serious problem with missing and murdered women, imo.
    B

  10. T. Ruth says:

    http://www.newswest9.com/2018/11/13/serial-killer-admits-odessa-womans-murder/

    District Attorney Bobby Bland tells us Little is linked to over 90 cases, 30 of which authorities have already confirmed. Little has already been convicted of three murders in the Los Angeles area, for which he is serving a life sentence.

    (snipped) (more info in the video)

    Holy crap.

  11. Gina Davis says:

    Please publish your article. Many of us want to see it!

  12. Rose says:

    are you in a workload position to look at Closs?

    Unfortunately no Rose, but even if I were, I doubt I could be much help as her case will be formed in online and social media accounts and activity and all of that “data” is subject to subpoena and forensic searches- Jayme being listed as a minor who is missing and considered endangered will help facilitate those records more quickly.

    That said- I will say that the target of the attack on the parents was definitely to remove Ms. Closs. Someone with the resources to accomplish what they have to include brutal violence, removal of the child vehicle is in no way concerned with being apprehended, imo. The other thing I am sure of is that they have concealed some information from the public- likely advised to be the FBI in efforts to preserve the integrity of the investigation and locate the child without trigger an event or standoff.

    B

  13. erose says:

    Sexual assault in schools.

    Will someone please tell me how sexual assault should NOT be held to a criminal standard? A crime, is a crime, is a crime…IMO and should be reported to law enforcement and followed thru by prosecution if the evidence dictates.

    Does anyone believe there are absolutes here? 100% of all victims are telling the truth, or 100% of all accused are not guilty? Isn’t that why we have a justice system to find the truth, or at least follow the evidence in that effort?

    snip>

    “They’re importing a criminal standard for civil rights proceedings. There shouldn’t be a presumption one way or another,” Tang said. “It only plays into this misconception that survivors are not to be believed and what happened is their fault.”

    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/devos-campus-sex-misconduct-rules-slammed-by-victims-advocates/ar-BBPN3gM

    Absolutely agree erose.
    B

  14. Rose says:

    https://www.portlandmercury.com/blogtown/2018/11/16/24615497/white-nationalist-troll-storm-not-protected-by-first-amendment-judge-rules Montana & Oregon both in Fed 9th Circuit. The 1st Amendment does not shield admins of social media sites engaging in harassment of a nonpublic person (terri & dede meet that definition).

    Absolutely does not, thats 100% true- I would add that a criminal charge or indictment in a Fed situation also does not necessarily preclude a state mandate- most especially when state LE is utilized.
    B

  15. Rose says:

    I had occasion to look at ScaredMonkeys for the first time in a year. It seems the sole crusade of Tamikos…. Imo she’s worse than Soldier, & maybe more dangerous bcz she’s smarter, but thankfully has little audience.

    A new article by you could serve as a refocus on Kyron’s abductor
    in the face of these 2 Social Media Wild Things.

    Desiree’s royal “we” (I thot the royal we was Kaine’s but my guess is she uses it here) saying we’ve been working on something, since May 2017, that will be “revealed” seems to relate to “new” computer evidence from which sge hopes a GJ will indict. She is a Teaser. And she seems to see herself and detectives as the same entity.

  16. Rose says:

    ot @erose. What else did vic advocates expect? That the sister whose record in MI was long known (sister of a key black ops & donor of the man many must have voted for) would do anything else but dissassemble years of functioning federal programs in education, esp the federal legislation Title IX? (Title IX is a federal civil rights law in the United States of America that was passed as part of the Education Amendments of 1972.) Wouldn’t be surprised if her bro had an axe to grind re Title IX. In reality, the party in charge of 3 branches of govt shoukd’ve amended or rewritten Title IX in the last two years if they didn’t like it, rather than attempt this change by, gasp, gov’t regulation. Of course then the public might’ve paid attention.

  17. Rose says:

    ot
    applicable to LE on duty or off traveling to or talking to Calif LE a couple years ago to engage in a campaign of harassment against Teri. No immunity. Of course a tort filing must be tomely. “”We conclude that Chief Lohner’s actions were not protected by the First Amendment because the totality of conduct attributable to Chief Lohner under the district court’s findings supports the conclusion that he engaged in a ‘campaign of harassment and humiliation,’ ” the appeals ruling said.” https://www.oregonlive.com/pacific-northwest-news/index.ssf/2018/11/journalists_case_against_baker.html

  18. Sally says:

    Blink, hello -).

    Re:
    “That said- I will say that the target of the attack on the parents was definitely to remove Ms. Closs.”

    I have thought the same. Can you elaborate?

    Not really Sally, its just what the circumstances (known and unknown) and evidence suggest. I am told that LE has absolutely zero leads in this case. In my experience if LE cannot establish a link to someone “known” to the family as a possible suspect, the web based and social accounts need vigorous investigation. The only thing I would say everyone agrees on at this point is the motive- to abduct the child.
    B

  19. Rose says:

    @TRuth, erose: The Washington Post: He claims he’s America’s deadliest serial killer. Police believe him.
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2018/11/20/he-claims-hes-americas-deadliest-serial-killer-with-victims-police-believe-him/

  20. Rose says:

    kinda wondering how Teri’s aged parents the Moulton’s are. Myself an aged parent, I empathize with their attachment to her stepson & his loss, their attachment to granddaughter kiara & their mutual sad loss of her at their son-in-law’s behest, and so on. Is it possible Teri might post here about her parents’ recovery from their losses and stalking at Wife 1’s leadership? also one trusts James is well.

    Rose- I responded to this but BOC ate it originally, so I hope you see this. I do not allow Terri to post here for a variety of reasons, but the biggest is that I firmly believe she is and will remain MCSO #1 suspect (and all that goes with that).
    I do have information that both the Moulton’s are well, but as you can imagine they are profoundly impacted by not being able to see their granddaughter, and of course the loss of Kyron. All their requests to date to see Kiara to date have been denied.

    It is my understanding that both James and the Moulton’s have been supportive of Terri’s recent marriage.
    I doubt very much either Moulton would have a negative thing to say about Desiree and to my best recollection the last and final time the chalk and stalk occurred they filed a criminal complaint with LE. You notice they have never been back.

    B

  21. Rose says:

    thank you, sorry you typed 2ce. re BOC ate it originally” not enough turkey & dressing?

    One thinks of the seniors and son at holidays. Glad Terri does not post here #1 because she is #1 suspect, and #2, she needs to move on with her life, mourning her son and reaching internal peace. That doesn’t happen if one “blogs.” or Facebooks.

    Kiara’s loss, but what else would one expect from Kaine or the women he takes up with.

    Desiree’s “can’t wait til I can reveal what (royal) we have been working on” seems to allude to hopes Terri will even yet be arrested, perhaps based on those 2017 alleged new computer searches.

    Mike Reese keeps his head down but he will want publicity before his next election run whenever that is.


    I remember a few of these “promises” over the years- and the outcomes. Repeating myself, but training investigators finally on certain aspects of forensic electronic analysis and capture is meaningless when there is absolutely nothing new they “developed” they did not already have. It is what happens when the DA says- sorry boys- your two bats and the grand jury are up, and either bring us a case we can indict, with a new “record” feature and that is going to be released to a defendant upon indictment or keep infighting, but leave us out of it.

    Look, I have presented this case in the abstract dozens of times to various active LE/Legal/Academic audiences and the feedback and findings have been unanimous. Zip. Nada. Rinse. Repeat. And that is without imparting the knowledge that the FBI team that responded and worked this case do NOT agree with MCSO track then or now. I do not have permission to identify these sources that have confirmed this information to me multiple times, but I will say that info comes from inside the MCSO and the FBI directly.

    I question why neither of Kyron’s parents have sought to understand and potentially act on this investigative disparity?

    I also want to offer this to anyone reading who may still think anyone’s opinion is based on the fact that “no parent could ever do something like this”. In one of my very first cases I had the distinct pleasure of meeting, and working briefly with Lou Smit. In my view, one of the most successful homicide investigators of our time- with the statistics to prove it taught me a critically important lesson. In my case, I was focused on the “why” because the motive was inconceivable. I had literally solved it via “electronic means” by working for the parents directly, and then directly with LE.

    I discussed my findings with him and he told me the most important thing you must learn and by learn I mean develop as SOP in any case investigation is.. that any person, can do any thing, to any one, at any time and you have to train yourself that the motivation is meaningless to theory and follow your evidence. An absence of evidence is not actual evidence. Terri Horman remains a suspect because she lied about a groundskeeper, was contemplating divorce because (among other things) her husband was cheating on her and because in LE’s eyes she forfeited her daughter by not taking their FAPA bait. I am telling you- if pressed, thats the answer your gonna get from LE that still suspect her.

    They will also concede that to date- their is no evidence of an actual crime in Kyron’s disappearance. How is that possible? Do we think reasonable people don’t conclude that is a massive error in MCSO protocol re investigation or do we think Kyron is hanging out with eleven eating waffles somewhere? Dear God knows my heart and I wish everyday that were the case.

    There is zero evidence against her and apparently 2 consecutive grand juries agree with that and this hamster wheel will never, I repeat as I have since June 2010, ever produce the whereabouts of this sweet little cherub named Kyron.

    I just analyzed a case where a father murdered his babies and shoved them into a 9″ hole of crude oil tanks. I have yet to see a single piece of evidence in background, discovery, medical, employment, associate interviews that shed a single ray of light on this man’s capacity to do this. Several thousand pages of info- and my hand to God no incling, no nexus. It is rare, but it happens. I mention this for two reasons. The first- I feel as though I have an obligation when in every conceivable aspect, LE gets it right- they are to be commended. The agencies that worked the case, specifically the partnership between the local, CBI and the FBI was par excellence. Moving on to the DA and defense counsel. The work, the efforts, the reporting, the forensics are some of the absolute best I have ever seen in what is also one of the most disturbing cases as well. This man is the sociopath zebra to me so far- the most dangerous kind.

    The second- It is a fat mistake to “exclude” suspects when one cannot exclude associates and/or are involved in criminal activity- which are actual markers in victimology of NON EXCLUSION. (anyone, anything, any reason applies to all)

    Lastly- does it make sense to anyone that if all those folks are so fixated that Terri is a suspect- why MCSO has never requested an attorney accompanied interview in 8 years? If I were the parent of a missing child (now 8 years) that would be the most ludicrous piece of information pointing to negligence I had ever heard. So, either these parents are being lied to, or they are not asking. I noticed neither Kaine nor Desiree has repeated that “why wont she sit down with LE” in years.

    B

  22. Rose says:

    Desire’s fundraiser/mouthpiece Soldier says “she won’t sit down with LE.”——
    “ any person, can do any thing, to any one, at any time and you have to train yourself that the motivation is meaningless to theory and follow your evidence”
    Then why hasn’t Kaine and his assocuates been worked up?
    1) he lied about worse than hiring a yardworker who assaulted her; he lied about affairs & steroid uss.
    2) he undoubtedly also contemplated divorce & howto successfuly once again keep it all—the child, $, house, no alimony or child support.
    3) He frankly just stole the child.
    Behaviorally, post abduction he meets Fallon’s criteria for a psychopath, that is, abject narcissism and complete wont of empathy to his intimates such as child & Terri, as he lacked for wife 1.

    Any person can also say anything Rose- there is a reason MCSO will NOT go on record to say that TMH through her counsel (required) has declined MCSO interviews at any time because it is patently false. I am not saying MCSO may not be telling DY that- maybe they are, I am inclined to believe that considering they are under no obligation to be truthful about it unless they are willing to address publicly- but if you recall, most recently as 2016 Iboshi printed some garble about an anonymous or un named DA calling Houze to verify he still represented TMH and that Houze confirmed that he did and requests to contact his client for interview needed to go through him. Sgt Alexander was reassigned from his PIO position for the handling of that “lack” of information and its veracity- I was told that directly.

    She is represented and has been since late June 2010- at no time between then and now has any LE agency or agent requested an interview of TMH through her attorney or her directly in Kyron’s disappearance. At no time has TMH been subpoened to appear before a grand jury in Kyron’s case. She WAS badgered with questions about Kyron during her last legal entanglements that resulted in her outright acquittal.

    B

  23. Rose says:

    why did Multonomah voters go on to accept D Kafoury’s handpicked Sheriff who’d failed at least in a Mayor’s eyes at PPD and who has failed in leading MCSO Investigations Dept to new leadership and fresh eyes?

  24. Rose says:

    ot
    This is terrible.
    https://apnews.com/dc435c2047fe4b10a91f33003fa1cd27?utm_campaign=SocialFlow&utm_source=Twitter&utm_medium=AP

    my kid working on that Border just had to absorb
    another’s caseload of eled kids because he failed that check.

    You don’t know about predators unless you run it, & these teens are
    locked up therefore more vulnerable.

  25. Rose says:

    “I question why neither of Kyron’s parents
    have sought to understand and potentially
    act on this investigative disparity?

    1) dumb (I rule out Kaine on that.)
    2) fearful of their own criminal jeopardy if investigated.
    3) status quo feels good.
    Kaine, at least 2 women have swooned on him,
    & kept house & child. And he got way much mire
    than in a pre-abduction divorce. & maybe he was
    uncomfortable with K’s needs.
    Desiree, kept her marriage, maybe bcz Kyron didn’t move in
    as he allegedly wished to do.

    Personally Rose, while I agree on most of your reasons at least in part, it is my firm belief that acknowledging any scenario other than TMH culpability is tantamount to acknowledging Kyron’s likely death at the hands of an unsub (to them) and all the confrontations that will go with over 8 years of that belief. I pray for them daily.
    B

  26. Rose says:

    Kaine was indeed an avid WOW gamer and played in groups. My best recollection of his gaming activity I am willing to publish takes place from around 9:30 ish pm June 3 to after midnight June 4. Kinda flys in the face of the heated argument theory but LE certainly has/had access to his online gaming profile and stats as we did. To my knowledge Kyron was more into Wii, but he definitely did not have an online Xbox gamer profile.

    Great question-
    B

  27. erose says:

    Blink & Choir, You must have seen this on Watts. Also, Smits lesson (anyone, anything, any reason) should beg the focus to everyone in Kyron’s life, not just his stepmother.

    snips>

    The taped a video presentation six years ago about saving or abandoning relationships has emerged after an affidavit revealed he was having an affair with a colleague.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6088261/Man-charged-killing-wife-two-kids-nervously-laughs-speech-saving-relationships.html

  28. Ode says:

    O/T
    https://www.clickorlando.com/news/human-remains-possibly-found-near-orange-blossom-trail-deputies-say
    Blink I know a lot of bodies show up in Orlando but I think this is pretty close to where Jennifer Kesse disappeared from. I think of Jennifer often, hoping she will be found.

    Thank you Ode. It will not be Jenn or Tracy O unfortunately, but I appreciate you keeping up- and praying one day these ladies can be recovered and their killers brought to justice finally.
    B

  29. Rose says:

    re avid WOW gamer Dad.
    after reflecting that is an interest of Quinn, I realized if I were a detective I’d want to establish who composed each of his primary play groups. Were they all male age peers, or at least age peers. Were one or more groups primarily teens or youths? That’s what I’d have gotten a computer forensic LE to sort out. It would tell one something about the man & his interests.
    —-
    nice article erose. The youtube
    alone flaunts his narcissism.
    I bet he fits Fallon’s “type.”

  30. Rose says:

    I think Kaine is way too smart, & also lacks the psychological need
    to be stuck in severe denial in order to avoid confronting Kyron’s suffering & death. He doesn’t have the felt empathy for another (kyron) to have that as his reason to pin it on Terri such that he fails to ensure the investigation is broadened by another le agency. I do think it’s fear, but not fear of kyron’s outcome.

  31. Rose says:

    this avid several hour session WOW stuff looks pretty addictive, like steroid use.
    There are local meet up groups. and weekend marathoners.
    https://us.battle.net/forums/en/wow/topic/17259566952
    https://us.battle.net/forums/en/wow/topic/20044156812
    Perhaps Kaine started the weekend the boys
    were to be away early on Thurs night. One wonders
    if his computer gaming apparatus was in his bedroom.
    One understands her sleeping on the couch.

  32. Rose says:

    Desiree’s Big News is her Big Plan to get Terri arrested
    in the new year which essentially boils down
    to an alt-media outlet giving her facetime & publicity
    personally for her alt-views.

  33. Rose says:

    Teri’s a private person but for her foolishness twice going on Dr Phil or something, likely for $ in her bio-enforced poverty. Young and that “media” outfit should Beware a Tort. Teri could hire an Avenatti desperate for tort % income.

    Terri was not paid for her appearance on Dr. Phil whatsoever, Desiree and Kaine were (per an un named producer from the show), the show picked up her travel expenses and overnight stay- which is standard. I am aware of DY post naming ID discovery and the term “explosive” and ref to Terri by name. I have worked on shows with ID and I have been contacted directly and through counsel numerous times by a variety of outlets wanting to cover Kyron’s case. I can tell you unequivocally that no outlet is going to produce a show that inculpates Terri or DS- most especially when nobody from MCSO will be participating- the jurisdictional agency of record. I don’t know what she was told, but she would not be the first person with an expectation on a show that ends up dejected. I have gone through this personally at least 3 times with a family member from a mp or homicide case. CBS et al is facing 2 suits totaling nearly a billion for defamation because they overtly accused someone a grand jury took testimony from, and did not target nor indict (short version).

    Lastly, the judge actually admonished the prosecutor in the CA case where Terri was acquitted in under 15 minutes because he felt the only reason it came to charges and a trial was because of the social media vilification and therefore clickbait factor.

    Ms. Young had an opportunity to accuse Terri and in doing so be required to present evidence to substantiate her claims- she withdrew her suit because she could not and nothing has changed all these years later. I wish with my very soul this woman could progress her sons case with her efforts, truly. I don’t think giving Terri someone to sue finally is going to be helpful in that area and I don’t believe any outlet is going to assume that risk in this case.

    B

  34. Rose says:

    “Terri was not paid for her appearance on Dr. Phil whatsoever”
    Thanks 4 this reminder!

    I would also say that there was no pre screen for questions of any kind on her part- nothing was off the table and although I know she regrets going on his show- it was an attempt to clear her name and progress Kyron’s case. Once again I remind all- Terri has not received a request from MCSO through her counsel to be interviewed since late June 2010. Does someone really think they would go out on a limb and accuse her publicly now?

    B

  35. cd says:

    You can cd. I changed it. When you post just double check what your name comes up.
    B

  36. cd says:

    Desiree snippet from Gofundme page 59 months ago

    -snip
    “Since my long phone interviews with the main contact since Kyron went missing in June 2010, the person at People that has been here from the beginning, I have bought every magazine just to reassure myself that I would have it when the article was published.”

    -snip
    “This article is an atrocity. Not only did People Magazine not check their facts, they didn’t check their sources either as much of their article is false. I now have a very different opinion of People Magazine. I thought they were one of the sources that I could trust, and that is not the case anymore. I now think of them as just another tabloid, no better than the other ones out there stating false stories like they are fact, just to get readers.”

    Does Desiree not realize that Investigation Discovery and People magazine have a business relationship?

    I think at the time People did check their facts and realized DY’s version of what happened to Kyron was not accurate. As are a lot of the things she says. They did not want to get sued then and they (and Investigation Discovery ) probably still don’t want to get sued.

    ID Orders Season Three of ‘People Magazine Investigates …
    https://www.multichannel.com/…/id-orders-season-three-people-magazine-investigates…

    Yes Ma’am, for starters.
    B

  37. Rose says:

    kelsey berreth?

    Fiance. Domestic situation, unfortunately.
    B

  38. Rose says:

    Worse for Desiree than People, cd.
    At first I thought by cursory googling ID was J Walsh’s latest incarnation. When last seen chatting about Kyron, Iirc his production crew had mostly left about 2011, and Fox discontinued him in 2012, and when last I was aware he operated out of an office within an ill-located small bldg in silver spring md. Iirc he was there when he produced a Kyron whatever,not looking back, which I guess Young thought would lead to public pressure and Terri’s arrest.

    So, cursory googling, I saw this: Walsh associating with ID.
    https://deadline.com/2018/04/john-walsh-investigation-series-id-discovery-undercover-billionaire-1202361744/
    However, this appears to be some kind of pursuit of justice series.

    The Susan Powell episode series which Soldier represents Kyron being a part of has an episode producer even less reliable…
    the National Enquirer parent co of Pecker…. Those guys who copped a plea yesterday.

    Some familiar names to all of us:
    https://eur04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.broadwayworld.com%2Fbwwtv%2Farticle%2FInvestigation-Discovery-Presents-SUSAN-POWELL-AN-ID-MURDER-MYSTERY-20181120&data=02%7C01%7C%7C97519e3d536949fcc33208d66142d149%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636803336933477056&sdata=s5HjN6WEEKoqovIp1cIANdzLh2VRmAeTy1jUOhFebqs%3D&reserved=0
    ‘From the production team behind ID’s hit AMERICAN MURDER MYSTERY franchise“
    SUSAN POWELL: AN ID MURDER MYSTERY is produced for ID by American Media, Inc. and Jupiter Entertainment with Allison Wallach, Tim McConville, David Pecker, and Dylan Howard as Executive Producer”

    Whole thing bums me out—this basket in which biomother has all her 2019 eggs—because no one is better situated than her to advocate for a competent ongoing active investigation of the abduction by another agency, and she simply won’t put her energy—even a post on her FB– into that. She and Tony apparently are so determined their view of the perpetrator is beyond a reasonable doubt, it will only take public pressure through some media, social or video or print, to move MCSO/DA to arrest Terri, and then the truth will be known at trial. Sheriff Reese is negligent in my opinion by not initiating referring this case out for external review and management.

  39. Rose says:

    If the bios’ judgments of who to primarily associate with postabduction reflects their aocial judgments & choices preabduction, it bodes ill for whom they may have introduced into Kyron’s life who needed investigation.

  40. Rose says:

    self-correction:
    It was a nonprosecution agreement, not a plea.
    “AMI’s non-prosecution agreement includes both Pecker and Howard, also the company’s chief content officer,”
    https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.washingtonpost.com/amphtml/lifestyle/style/publisher-of-the-national-enquirer-admits-to-hush-money-payments-made-on-trumps-behalf/2018/12/12/ebf24b76-fe49-11e8-83c0-b06139e540e5_story.html
    —-
    Howard was also allegedly quite the sexual harrasser in the worksite at one time with a purported nickname of Dildo.
    ——
    12th paragr down (I didn’t read it all), Kushner’s (owned a newspaper) close friend went to Howard to learn how to “pivot to video.” https://www.thedailybeast.com/how-jared-kushner-replaced-michael-cohen-as-trumps-national-enquirer-connection

    This implies ID has all the attributes of the National Enquirer when it comes to entertainment, truthful facts, & profitability. Good for the company, bad for the Subject & at the expense of loved ones with their hopes high. And implies use of followers on social media to market episodes to their followers saving on ad expenses. Desiree keeps getting used exploitativelyimo, tho she leaps into these media relationships.

    The Murder series (there’s more than one series on the topic) are under Howard’s content mgmt hat.

    Didn’t Desiree once quote the saw about 1 of the Hormans, “you lay down with dogs, you get up with fleas.”?

  41. Rose says:

    Yes, cd, it seems People supplies the content for
    one of AMI/ID’s murder series:
    https://people.com/crime/joyce-mcclain-murder-mom-helps-solve-case/

  42. Rose says:

    Interesting a Mult judge will order a former Chief Deputy of mcso to deposition which a settlement between mcso & deputy precluded, doubtless bcz that clause was “against public policy” tho the suit is that of a single victim. Meaning a crime victim like Desiree might have standing to sue mcso in some tort (maybe some theory with a conspiracy to defraud her) & gain the right to depose the now chief deputy once in charge of her son’s investigation beginning in June 2010. She oughta see Riddell.

  43. Rose says:

    the more things change,
    the more they stay the same imo
    https://www.mcso.us/site/pdf/org_chart.pdf

  44. Loraine says:

    Are you going to publish your series on Kyron? If not why not.

    Yes. When I feel doing so contributes to his case proactively.
    B

  45. T. Ruth says:

    Hi All
    Just popping in today to wish you all a healthy and happy 2019!
    Nothing new in Kyron’s case in years. Sad, but hoping 2019 will be the year in which LE does and says something that matters.

    *****************

    Looks as though there will be extensive road work being done around Kyron’s old hood. I had always considered this area to be sort off the beaten track, but according to this article, it’s got daily heavy traffic. Again, makes me wonder how could no one have seen this child leave that school!? And if some of these roads were where TMH was allegedly driving around with her babe, how could no one have seen her either? Interestingly, many of the roads that LE had mentioned they were interested in seem to be involved here. The road work seems to be very extensive and when dozers and backhoes are brought in to widen area roads, who knows what they may find buried in the blackberries.

    snipped:

    Legislature authorized the development of design alternatives for improving safety on Cornelius Pass Road. The study — which involved ODOT, the county and a number of consultants — focused on a five-mile stretch of the road between Highway 30 and Northwest Kaiser Road. It found that 171 vehicle accidents occurred there between 2003 and 2009. The largest number, 50, took place at the Skyline Boulevard intersection. Other large numbers occurred at the Highway 30 intersection and along a number of curves between there and Skyline.

    https://pamplinmedia.com/pt/9-news/415686-316480-cornelius-pass-roadwork-will-divert-traffic-for-four-months?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+PortlandTribune+%28Portland+Tribune%29&
    utm_content=FeedBurner

    Back at you T. Ruth, thank you!

    Interestingly, there was a bit of construction/road work going on the day Kyron disappeared from Skyline.
    B

  46. rose says:

    generalizing from Fed GJs (as reported on the SpecCoun thing), is it also true State (of OR) GJs are constituted for 18 mos & renewed by a Judge in 6 mo intervals, one presumes because wirnesses remain to be heard with indictments yet to be rendered? What Judge was supervisory of Frink/Underhill Horman GJ & when did the last 6 mo extension terminate? Thx.

    In Oregon and in this instance Multnomah County, we had 2 different grand juries (don’t expect the DA’s office to confirm this, they literally are legally precluded from discussing it outside a court order). The first was already sitting when Kyron disappeared in June 2010 and my best information is that grand jury was dismissed after hearing evidence and testimony in Kyron’s case without indictment in August 2010. It is my understanding from a source that gj issued a “no true bill” in the charges it was asked to consider and the charges were both related to the FAPA order and Kyron’s disappearance. A second grand jury was specifically convened to hear “new” and or previous evidence that now produced “new investigative avenues” shortly after Underhill became the DA. That gj was dismissed without indictment last Spring- after multiple suspensions at the request of the MCSO (Rees). You may recall that silly push from that RSO claiming TH had someone pull a gun on him at a picnic (sorry, so utterly ridiculous I can’t keep made up chit straight)- imo that was a push to give the near-end gj something. Obviously it failed.

    I have interviewed multiple criminal defense attorneys practicing in MC, all previous ADA’s at one time or another under Frink. Unanimously, not one of them has ever heard of, or personally experienced a scenario that occurred (similar to Kyron’s) following a no true bill- to put it in general terms.

    Lastly, O/T: Burke and John Ramsey settled their respective lawsuits against CBS et al last week. I can say with absolute certainty that no network is going to be producing any “program” implicating Terri directly, nor will they be allowing anyone on that program to make such claims in the content.

    B

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