Dr. Phil Show Hosts Missing Portland Child Kyron Horman’s Step Mom Terri Horman Over Two Episodes

I have been covering this case since Kyron Horman disappeared from Skyline School in June, 2010.    Like most missing persons cases I have covered in the past,  I am of the strong opinion that best efforts at the truth are the only way to propel investigations that, similarly to Kyron’s, have gone cold for one reason or another.   This approach has worked in resolving some of my previous cases.    I am proud of that.  I remain steadfast to the integrity involved in those and future cases.

Over the past 10 months (or so) I have been developing an updated series on Kyron’s case to include my multiple interviews with Kyron’s step-mom,  Terri Horman.   Needless to say as she was the subject of at least three simultaneous cases before an Oregon court and remains a person of interest by the agency investigating her sons disappearance, this has been an arduous and sometimes delicate journey.    Ms. Horman’s experiences during the ongoing investigation of the disappearance of Kyron Horman are critically important to propelling his case and with great hope- finding the truth about what happened to this cherubic and innocent child.    There are dozens of sources,  collateral interviews, forensic experts and legal analysts that also contribute to my series and have done so because of their belief that my motivation is to bring to light information and opinions in such a way that would almost “require” a focused review of Kyron’s case and the likely shaking of that proverbial tree everyone talks about.

Set to publish about 6-ish weeks ago I was asked to postpone the first installment of the series, which I did.  I subsequently learned Ms. Horman was participating in the Dr. Phil program after she completed taping.  Dr. Phils producers were well aware that Ms. Horman had interviewed with me extensively, and anticipated my series would be publishing information that was not known to the public previously in the days prior to her scheduled episode.    When Ms. Horman conveyed to me that she feels obligated to speak out about “her son” in any national medium that will have her,   I most certainly respected that.  I still do.

While Dr. Phil seems like a gregarious fellow for sure,   I have zero interest in being associated with his program, nor do I believe his shows content is designed to do any furtherance of investigation or truth.  There is much concern (although I have no affiliation to the show whatsoever) that the timing of the publication of my series on the Kyron Horman matter might be interpreted differently or inadvertently contribute to the programs content or audience reactions.     Not what I signed on for.   A missing 7 year old boy six years running is not a framework for entertaining a target audience.   He is not fodder for online social media bully campaigns- yet it occurs.

I will be publishing my series on Kyron’s case at a later date, in it’s entirety with no editing adjustments as a result of any of the appearances on Dr. Phil.   I appreciate your patience and your understanding.   Feel free to discuss the show below.


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  1. erose says:

    Would be interesting if SZ tried to pass himself off as Kyron’s stepfather.

    Indeed. Would be “off profile” but this was an incredibly public abduction in the first place.


  2. rose says:

    We’ve observed SZ was familiar with the school, maybe trailed K thru the school that morning else how would he have known where K was at, & thot about who pricked K’s interest to go back downstairs after T left & the bell rang. I suggest it’s nit all that complicated & SZ had been in K’s classroom (green team class visitor one-off?) in 2008-09 and did not realize, as it’s a 2 year class, this slight small boy had moved upstairs.

  3. rose says:

    If so, please put on the Blink bucket Q list for T:
    did any 1st grade adult volunteer classroom visitor
    ask after him during the 2nd grade year?
    ie, how’s your son? is K enjoying X? etc.

    I will rose, with the caveat I may not be able to publish her raw response or include names as you might imagine.

  4. Tarheel says:

    erose says:
    January 17, 2019 at 4:12 am

    Tarheel Comments: Wait! Do we know what kind of vehicle SZ was in?

    For some reason I was thinking that SZ asked for Kyron’s help by using Kyron’s name. Is that not correct? If so, how would that work with stranger abduction?

    We do not.
    My best info was that a witness recalled what they categorized as an abbreviated name, or version of Kyron’s name in retrospect.
    Unfortunately, even stranger abductions can include the offender knowing or learning the intended victims name- most are experts in listening and observation so that they DO NOT appear to be a stranger or unknown in a situation of opportunity like this was.


  5. rose says:

    Above comment, not a Q, restated without typos: In her deposition, who (category of person , say) Mathews thought SZ was was likely so speculative Houze wouldn’t ask.

  6. rose says:

    @Tarheel, while much was made of white trucks & SUVs by flier, picture, & speculation, I don’t recall a statement from MCSO or anyone else as to what vehicle description MCSO focused on. We know they purportedly tried to id each vehicle at the school and its driver. In Closs’ case several deputy cars passed his sedan, the sole car in the vicinity, near to the house & traveling away from it, and it still didn’t “take” it was the abduction vehicle.

    Since the preplanning & efficiency of SZ in the abduction seems comparable to Closs’ case, I flippantly suggested an older “blend in” sedan with a trunk was a vehicle MCSO should have thought about. SZ would open the trunk to get the stuff for his little helper & push him in & scoot. For all he knew KH would be expected back by Mathews shortly. Like Closs’ 4 min window. The hypothetical alternative would be a work van w/out windows & a screen behind the driver’s seats. If I were a contractor or workman, I’d not use my work van but my old nondescript sedan with stolen plates like Closs’ did.

  7. rose says:

    re T. Ruth says:
    January 17, 2019 at 12:37 pm
    So the MFH un-sting was designed by the DA’s office (specifically, Frink)?
    I always thought it was a MCSO idea, Bobby O’donnel-ish. How and why did the DEA climb on board, wearing the wire no less? Is it possible the DEA had something on RSE or that RSE was a past DEA informant?

    I think initially I was of the opinion that O’Donnell was rogue independently, I now think it was joint rogue with the DA hoping to maintain plausible deniability. “
    It would be characteristic of Sgt Gosson too, who in seniority & rank was ahead of O’Donnell. Also Underhill had tasked ADA Heidi as the fulltime ADA on the job & site with mcso deputies working this case at that time. She was managing it for mcda. She left the DA’s office for a political position on the Gov’s staff.

    I don’t have anything quotable on that rose- just a source and my instinct. It is my belief Gosson ended up off the “Terri train” if he was ever on it.

  8. rose says:

    Sgt Gosson is in charge of Detectives.
    I don’t see a change in the investigatory posture
    w/in mcso Detective Branch because Desiree
    is driving the Terri Train with Zest and Promises,
    Promises, & I think the Youngs have enough contact
    with MCSO Detective Branch that Sgt Gosson would
    inform them if she is not THE person of interest.

    I can say with certainty that nobody within MCSO would so much as approach the subject of Terri being “a non suspect” nor do I believe Desiree would approach the conversation with them, anyway. It was MCSO who cancelled her depositions (and Tony’s) twice during the pendency of her own civil suit, not even her plaintiff attorney. Gosson was moved out of investigations for a few years as I recall- and if I were a betting person he was likely in a position with some sort of claim against Staton that was rectified internally. That said- there is that pesky blue wall and an open case.

  9. erose says:

    No TRuth, Rose and I were on a hypothetical, tho I do believe there was some gossip about a maroon sedan on Scared Monkey’s years ago.

    rose says:
    January 16, 2019 at 9:14 am
    @erose. Perhaps he’d been watching school buses
    when he worked in Barron for some time to have a
    hallelujah moment as the “right” girl stood out to
    feed his obsessive thinking? Anyway, it predicates
    Kyron’s abductor was not in a truck but a sedan that day.
    probably a poorer, older one.

    T. Ruth says:
    January 17, 2019 at 12:29 pm
    @erose says:
    January 17, 2019 at 4:12 am
    What sedan, erose? Was there an actual vehicle mentioned by LE that I don’t remember?

  10. erose says:

    Tarheel, See above post to TRuth. Sorry for the confusion.

    Tarheel says:
    January 18, 2019 at 10:04 am
    erose says:
    January 17, 2019 at 4:12 am
    Tarheel Comments: Wait! Do we know what kind of vehicle SZ was in?

  11. erose says:

    Blink, Would love to know why that is off profile (stranger?). Kaine and Terri were presumed to be bio parents by most at Skyline, and Desiree was suppose to be at the Science Fair that day, so anyone with knowledge that Kyron had a stepfather would be an insider.

    erose says:
    January 17, 2019 at 5:11 pm
    Would be interesting if SZ tried to pass himself off as Kyron’s stepfather.
    Indeed. Would be “off profile” but this was an incredibly public abduction in the first place.

    On profile an offender has objectified their intended victim at that point- a high percentage of sexually motivated abduction/homicide of children do not know their offenders and are selected randomly (vs personally known) and are ultimately chosen (act out) based on the criminal opportunity and/or other triggers or precipitous events. I would suggest that his non identification to this day is inline as well.

  12. T. Ruth says:

    Oregon Attorney General Ellen Rosenblum Returns Campaign Contributions to Terry Bean, Who Was Re-Indicted on Sex Crime Charges Today
    Bean is a longtime supporter of Democratic candidates, including the state’s top law enforcement official.


  13. T. Ruth says:

    This Bean dude has contributed money to everyone from the DNC to Wyden to Defazio to Kitzhaber to Kate Brown to Sam Adams to who knows who.

    Probably means nothing, but I still wonder to this day why Adams inserted himself into this case.



    (sometimes listed as Terrence Bean, sometimes Terrence Patrick Bean, sometimes Terrence P Bean)

  14. rose says:

    If Det Young & wife had not pushed Terri with mcso as the suspect from Night 1, would the abduction vehicle focus have misdirected the public as it did from other vehicular possibilities? Everyone was trying to remember a kid in the front seat of a truck & call in that tip.

    Not that I am aware of rose- I do recall MCSO asked folks to self report and call and leave VM’s as to their vehicle license plates, etc. One of the more regrettable decisions I am told.

  15. rose says:

    Since Fox, then Lifetime, cancelled Walsh, his production companies ‘ affiliations change too hard for me to keep up with. I don’t think the one before this one is in his well-edited wikipedia. . Desiree’s latest differs from Desiree’s first with him as to production/distribution co because their names differ, tho I think both have Investigations in their names & this one incls his son. One thing I learned is the Natl Center is termed his “private charity.” I think of this as Reality TV with child victims. Blink, I think he’d welcome a Terri-suit because it would give his latest venture lots of publicity.

  16. erose says:

    Blink, I have two posts about the sedan, still under moderation. Just want TRuth and Tarheel to know I answered back. Thanks.

    Got them erose, thank you. To this day I am only aware of one alleged vehicle/Kyron scenario sighting- in a pick up on or near Logie trail, iirc. If anyone can source that and wishes to- please do.

  17. cdtest says:

    John Walsh investigation Discovery have released a video about Kyron Horman disappearance that states that Teri is involved in to Murder for hire investigations and that law enforcement in portland have declared her a a person of interest in Kyron’s case..

    I believe that these statements are not true. I know that was been communicating with soldier for this video so has John Walsh /investigation Discovery singed on the the Teri harassment team?


  18. erose says:

    Just thinking this case had so many agencies involved. Why? I think because a child was taken from inside of a school. The school allowed an abduction. Little did they know that the community of the Skyline area would for the most part keep sending their kids to that school, even and eventually the father of the victim sending his only daughter back to the scene of the crime. Anyway that multi-agency response could have been because of some perceived public backlash which should have been on a national level, (ie. How this could happen, all parents want to know) but of which there was little to none.

    To some degree, the answer to your question is about “what else was happening” in the periphery involving those other agencies AS AN ADJUNCT to Staton’s appropriate decision to call in CARD. (FBI’s Child Abduction Rapid Deployment Team).

    Pause- the simple answer is that there are no logical scenarios or explanations to your very relevant and astute question erose.

  19. rose says:

    that last sighting & not corroborated
    sounds pretty made up to me in order
    to induce mcso to search there.

  20. rose says:

    I read you erose as speaking in kind with hypothetical irony,
    tho I too remember chatter (SM?) about a maroon sedan.

  21. rose says:

    I think Desiree was so positive online about detective Relentless/Aggressive
    after her case ended. Maybe that young deputy was a sop mcso threw her.
    Ironic isn’t it a member of the blue line directed his counterparts at Teri
    from the abduction onset & has never Questioned his Brothers in Blue’s target?
    Poor Kyron.

  22. rose says:

    One supposes MCSO/DA didn’t want their work product or detectives to respond to subpoenas in ether suit, hiwever limited, because it was loaded with exculpatory evidence of Terri. “the integrity of the investigation” was BS.

  23. rose says:

    a maroon car was mentioned in this thread, venetia, ode etc
    reference is made to blogs questioning a maroon car being at Skyline that am, but coukd’ve been the disreputable GLP.

    this man was arrested in OR, car plates from WA, crimes in AZ:

  24. T. Ruth says:

    rose says:
    January 21, 2019 at 12:21 pm

    Blink says: (snipped)

    ” It was MCSO who cancelled her depositions (and Tony’s) twice during the pendency of her own civil suit, not even her plaintiff attorney.”


    Why would MCSO cancel Desiree & Tony’s depos in the civil case? And how could they even do that legally without becoming a part of the civil case one way or another? (Sorry, I forget what that’s called, intervening?) Do you, Blink, or anyone else here have any idea why that would have happened?

    That is just as bizarre as them sticking their foot into the divorce proceedings. Are you in effect saying that MCSO is the one who put the end to the civil case; not, as has been conveyed, by not being able to provide their investigative information DY’s attorney spoke of, but by intervening? That civil case could have opened up lots of doors, why would MCSO not want that case to proceed? MCSO knew they themselves wouldn’t have to provide any info they held regarding an ongoing investigation. And where does the cancelled depositions “twice” come in?

  25. cdtest says:

    Since Fox, then Lifetime, cancelled Walsh, his production companies
    I think he’d welcome a Terri-suit because it would give his latest venture lots of publicity.
    I think since Investigation Discovery owns John’s show now, That they would drop him like a hot rock at the first sign of pending lawsuits. Then Walsh would have to go back to doing late night TV ad’s for flash lights and home security systems.

  26. erose says:

    Blink, That maroon sedan was never sourced, as I’m sure you know. Can’t remember who the poster was, but you probably do.

  27. evie says:

    Hi Blink friends,
    Regarding the sighting of Kyron in a vehicle, it was the Salmonberry Road sighting that included an actual child. This was off Hwy 26, west of Portland, in the Coast Range (there is another road with the same name on the east side of the city too).
    The articles are no longer linked from https://www.websleuths.com/forums/threads/possible-kyron-sightings.106899/ but the excerpts say “A truck driver heading toward Portland on Hwy 26 on Sat. (6/5) afternoon said a dirty grey/black truck turned in front of him onto Salmonberry RD – inside was a boy who appeared startled and who looked like Kyron.”

    The Logie Trail Road sighting was, I believe, someone who said they thought they saw Terri on Hwy 30 at the Logie Trail intersection. He looked because he thought it was a friend’s truck and realized later it might have been TMH. More info in this thread, I expect: https://www.websleuths.com/forums/threads/kyrons-timeline-the-rumors-and-sightings.288522/

  28. evie says:

    Rose et al, I’m sure you’ll be interested in this item.. there’s been a sort of resolution (suspect detained) in the mysterious murder of the public defender Nancy Bergeson. https://www.oregonlive.com/crime/2019/01/burglary-gone-bad-led-to-public-defenders-death-records-allege.html

    Thank you evie. I am thankful for Ms. Bergeson and her family/friends these two were caught- here comes the “But”…

    This woman was a Federal prosecutor, involved in prosecuting some heavy duty criminals AND she had been robbed in her home two months previously. There was no b&e because she left her doors unlocked for dog walkers. She was a candidate for a security system upgrade she did not have, or apparently think she needed even after a previous burglary. She has every right to make those decisions- but I am here to tell you she paid for that ideology with her life. I will never understand that.

    On to the larger issue of the investigative work in this case. This woman was a Federal prosecutor- while everyone deserves best efforts in a similar case- she deserved priority for a variety of reasons and she did not get it. A meth head basically living next door at the time who ends up on a virtual felony spree over the next several years gets fingered by a jail informant when his DNA is apparently in the home? The neighborhood canvas for a similar crime is paramount in any/every scenario- what does that file show about those interviews?


  29. evie says:

    @Rose too, I know you were following the story of Linda Yankee & like news of Sean Riddle; the story continues about whether or not Ms Yankee can testify about what was going on at MCSO under Sheriff Staton.
    Meant to post this to you last year (!) but like you, have been consumed with current news & forgot for a while.


    Thanks evie- that county is really something when it comes to their very opaque position on transparency.

  30. rose says:

    Soldier, miffed at being blocked from Terri’s FB, still
    prominently features a white pickup on her FB tip flyer,
    effectively informing all & sundry that’s the gettaway
    vehicle. You’d think SZ had paid her. Gosh that man
    has had linebackers doing his heavy lifting.

  31. rose says:

    very bizarre mcso would call for self-reported license plate numbers. What kidnapper would send that in. Suggests mcso had one or more cars in question, perhaps with partial numbers, & they wanted to see what car was not reported. What fool would use a high-riding truck and put K in the front seat plainly visible? Or use their everyday work van with a rear door? Blink’s profile posited someone smart. That’s a nondescript sedan with a trunk.

  32. rose says:

    2 key investigative issues
    1) how did he get away?
    2) where did he go?

  33. rose says:

    If I had planned ahead, I’s tase & duct tape K, leave him in my sedan trunk, & go right back to ensure I was seen without him & had not left. This was vital since there were multiple witnesses in Mathews’ room.

  34. rose says:

    @cd your test worked. I glanced at Soldier. Her harrassment of Terri has recently stepped up severely, including physical location stalking. So much for FB as a harrassment, dangerous social media playah.

    She also posted some marketing (I presume) “stuff” from a woman leading a #TeaminPursuit for Walsh’s DiscoveryID complete with official twitter handle & tipline. I must say if the peripatetic (at job appearances) Sarah Sanders is ever canned, I nominate M Sigora Leader of #TeaminPursuit for that job working hand in glove with another fabricator for profit. Btw iirc yesterday I read Walsh came back on TV because Nat’t Ctr begged him..no disclosure it’s his private charity. Wonder if his production studio is still in his last gig’s small seedy (to me) inner city Silver Spring location?

  35. T. Ruth says:

    Just and FYI, Maybe ya’ll knew this, but I didn’t realize that Judge Kantor retired in July 2017….and now he has this job:

    Henry Kantor, Special Counsel to the Attorney General

    Email: Henry.Kantor@doj.state.or.us
    Phone: 503-378-6002

    Henry joined the Oregon Department of Justice as Special Counsel to the Attorney General after more than 22 years as a state trial court judge, presiding over thousands of civil and criminal cases. Before he began public service as a judge, Henry was in private practice in Portland, specializing in complex civil litigation under the consumer, banking, antitrust and securities laws. Over the years, he served on (and chaired) the Oregon Council on Court Procedures and the Oregon Commission on Judicial Fitness and Disability. Henry received his B.A. from the University of Pennsylvania and his J.D. from Lewis & Clark Law School.


  36. T. Ruth says:

    Just “an” not “and”, sorry for the typo.

  37. T. Ruth says:


    For Decades, Clients Trusted a Portland Lawyer to Get Compensation for Their Injuries. It Turns Out She Kept Much of Their Money.
    The accusations against Deveny illustrate how vulnerable people can be doubly victimized: first, injured in terrible accidents and, later, targeted by an unscrupulous attorney.


    Tongue in cheek: There oughta’ be a law! Good grief how do these people get away with this chit for so damn long!

  38. erose says:

    Blink, The only “what else was happening” that I know of is the steroid investigation. Not that that wasn’t enough, but was there more?

    I can’t account for the DEA agent in the sting- unless he was attached as some sort of task force out of a sheriff’s office or PD. To this day, I cannot exclude that Kaine acted as a CI- there are certain orders in place re info requests that one only sees under that set of circumstances.

  39. rose says:

    T. Ruth says:
    January 24, 2019 at 1:45 pm

    Iirc, same synagogue.

    & how do you think he got to be a judge initially?
    iirc not a leadership lawyer as to education or
    practice, but investor w/a powerful real estate
    mogul & same synagogue. Wyden’s too, iirc.
    I’d have to look those socio-religious roots
    up again, & won’t waste my time on him.

  40. rose says:

    @TRuth. there is a law. theft.
    disbarment too, but prison &
    restitution here she comes.
    a drug issue?

  41. rose says:

    That was a painful read TRuth. The only question is whether she ends her days in State or Federal prison. The amazing thing is MCDA is still looking at it. The first charges shoukd have been filed by mid-2018. So much for mcda protecting & preventing victims when the perp is a fellow Bar member. Meanwhile she’s been scotfree spending the remaining money for a year. Imo the mcda office has been & is a joke due to its politization dating back to Shrunk’s long rule with his own law. Charges are uneven based on who you are in the political, social circles of Multnomah. That Bean vic disappearance for dollars lends itself to some sort of conspiracy charge against the 3–vic, Deveny, & Bean involving obstruction of justice, thus inducing the vic to testify against them both.

  42. rose says:

    thank you, Evie.

  43. rose says:

    ot from cursory googling it looks like TeaminPursuit, which I read as a harassment troll phone operation based on crazy calls, is part of the production co Discovery which it appears is part of Discovery Comm. https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/business/wp/2018/01/09/discovery-communications-is-selling-md-headquarters-and-moving-to-new-york/?utm_term=.9bff13d42475 How the mighty are fallen. Iirc DC was in downtown Bethesda MD, an upscale location, & was headed by a woman supportive of local public schools (auctions, etc). Then iirc they moved to Silver Spring getting some sort of break, maybe taxes, for pioneering developing in that seedy, fallen down area which has since been rebuilt. Now they’re making out on the sale of that property. Better at real estate investment than production, maybe.

  44. rose says:

    ot Apparently she’s a “hotline” specialist.
    snark: blonde & FOX, surprised she doesn’t
    have an Admin press job.

  45. rose says:

    Riddell did well snagging Bottomley:
    “She advises clients on employment and healthcare compliance, and serves as an arbitrator and mediator to resolve business disputes” https://www.oregon.gov/newsroom/pages/NewsDetail.aspx?newsid=973

  46. rose says:

    last thing Mult Cty attorney will want is Staton on the stand.
    Whistleblower suit should be big money.
    And maybe Chief Deputy reinstatement for 3 years. Given
    what her expenses & attorney slice were, Yankee settled
    dirt cheap imo. This case is far stronger.

  47. rose says:

    “Patterson wasn’t on anyone’s radar. He picked Jayme at random, which Schimel says is rare. And, he has no criminal record. “That is common, that individuals who prey on children don’t have a lengthy history, criminally, that we didn’t hear of them before,” Judge Schimel said. “The ones we know about, we’re keeping our eye on.” https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.keloland.com/amp/news/national/jayme-closs-case-former-wi-attorney-general-opens-up-about-investigation/1730606885
    If true, does this mean SZ is on the more youthful side?

    If SZ is responsible for what happened to Kyron, based on my knowledge of witness accounts then he is not on the youthful side.

  48. rose says:

    evie says:
    January 23, 2019 at 7:08 pm

    Great comment Blink re such an unnecessary, sad murder.
    Case was resolved only bcz Panek had to bargain down
    his sentence.
    & he’s not facing murder charges.
    A most powerful defense lawyer—
    leaves Houze in the dirt.
    Maybe he even did the murder & Rees
    is letting him walk for his testimony against his co-burgler.
    But what this really says is “No Solve” former Patrol Reese
    was likely Chief then, & there’s been a revolving door since, until recently.

  49. rose says:

    It seems Reese was leapfrogged up from Precinct Commander to Chief in May 2010 (like Skipper leapfrogged Staton several levels up). Those dramatic internal promotions don’t seem to be for the best. So the Bergeson homicide was 5 months old. Other things were happening like an officer shooting if a mentally ill. Reese had enough on his plate w/out an abduction. His tenure doesn’t seem to have been very successful, & he left behind cronies not capable in their jobs lije the promoted O’Dea.
    A glance at Desiree’s media mouthpiece shows Soldier on a sex, lies, & videotapes binge, & the lies emanate from Desiree.
    Much is made in these writeups Williamson lived a couple miles away. https://www.koin.com/news/crime/nancy-bergeson-murder-suspect-due-in-court/1715318843?_gl=1*1ckii6m*_ga*YW1wLUJxNk9qeThwR09TdDlwcll3Y19nNnFTZkZpYkpVU2dNUGhmYkFXcXdBMHpqWG91dHRCZFJ2LUpjeUt2dWl4c3Q.

    Only one mentions Bergeson’s house was directly behind his coburgler Panek’s residence. My guess is MCDA is letting Panek off the hook for murder so they get a plea in the burglary cases & get him off the streets for awhile, & Williamson won’t cost mcda a trial because he’s on dialysis & likely won’t be alive by then. & PPB has closed a murder case. mcda Rees is nothing if not expedient.

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