Dr. Phil Show Hosts Missing Portland Child Kyron Horman’s Step Mom Terri Horman Over Two Episodes

I have been covering this case since Kyron Horman disappeared from Skyline School in June, 2010.    Like most missing persons cases I have covered in the past,  I am of the strong opinion that best efforts at the truth are the only way to propel investigations that, similarly to Kyron’s, have gone cold for one reason or another.   This approach has worked in resolving some of my previous cases.    I am proud of that.  I remain steadfast to the integrity involved in those and future cases.

Over the past 10 months (or so) I have been developing an updated series on Kyron’s case to include my multiple interviews with Kyron’s step-mom,  Terri Horman.   Needless to say as she was the subject of at least three simultaneous cases before an Oregon court and remains a person of interest by the agency investigating her sons disappearance, this has been an arduous and sometimes delicate journey.    Ms. Horman’s experiences during the ongoing investigation of the disappearance of Kyron Horman are critically important to propelling his case and with great hope- finding the truth about what happened to this cherubic and innocent child.    There are dozens of sources,  collateral interviews, forensic experts and legal analysts that also contribute to my series and have done so because of their belief that my motivation is to bring to light information and opinions in such a way that would almost “require” a focused review of Kyron’s case and the likely shaking of that proverbial tree everyone talks about.

Set to publish about 6-ish weeks ago I was asked to postpone the first installment of the series, which I did.  I subsequently learned Ms. Horman was participating in the Dr. Phil program after she completed taping.  Dr. Phils producers were well aware that Ms. Horman had interviewed with me extensively, and anticipated my series would be publishing information that was not known to the public previously in the days prior to her scheduled episode.    When Ms. Horman conveyed to me that she feels obligated to speak out about “her son” in any national medium that will have her,   I most certainly respected that.  I still do.

While Dr. Phil seems like a gregarious fellow for sure,   I have zero interest in being associated with his program, nor do I believe his shows content is designed to do any furtherance of investigation or truth.  There is much concern (although I have no affiliation to the show whatsoever) that the timing of the publication of my series on the Kyron Horman matter might be interpreted differently or inadvertently contribute to the programs content or audience reactions.     Not what I signed on for.   A missing 7 year old boy six years running is not a framework for entertaining a target audience.   He is not fodder for online social media bully campaigns- yet it occurs.

I will be publishing my series on Kyron’s case at a later date, in it’s entirety with no editing adjustments as a result of any of the appearances on Dr. Phil.   I appreciate your patience and your understanding.   Feel free to discuss the show below.

 

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  1. BOC Staff says:

    Truer words CD, lol. Easy to do in a case going into its 10th year to boot. It’s moving into fever dream status for me.
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  2. BOC Staff says:

    Generally speaking, most custody cases are ordered to mediation/arbitration very early. It varies by State/jurisdiction but a very high percentage of cases settle, almost all cases that proceed to trial are in cases where sole or joint income exceeds most states 150k support standard. I think the only way to assess a Fam Law Atty skill at trial is watch one, to be honest.
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  3. BOC Staff says:

    Absolutely. Ensuing questions (interrogation giving the appearance of an interactive parent) to include- with whom, where exactly, who else was present the list goes on. I have studied cases where kids have been approached at school, facilitated by staff ( they were lied to, unintentional but does that matter to a parent?) and became victims. If a case like I can’t discuss publicly can shock an MS criminology student (at the time) it has been my experience most general public believe it’s not possible. It absolutely is. As a parent, (as you posit, thank you) if any adult in your child’s care shows specific attention it had better ring your satellites, preferably before that occurs.
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  4. erose says:

    But I am trying to express something deeper in that advertisement. For the overnight camp out it explicitly says “school tour” so that it is out in the open from the get go. If someone took a child on the tour for nefarious reasons a parent might be dismissive of the child’s expressing that they went on the tour, because the tour seemed open and above board in the advertising. It is weird, off somehow for that to be an attraction for kids, as we all seem to agree. So it’s the boldness of a criminal sometimes that makes us believe we can’t take the situation at face value because who would be that bold.

  5. erose says:

    DY was aware of KH’s affair on TH. Wow, how? KH? TH?
    It has always interested me that DY had that retraining order on KH, then turned around and gave him custody. Can we deduce it was Q she was protecting? Or maybe she just softened with time. I think she did fixate on TH for the reasons you give and because of her own insecurities about being a mother and someone who seemed to have an easier time in that role, not to mention how she might have blamed TH for breaking up her family. Lots of emotion in their (DY & TH) relationship I would imagine. It’s too bad that the two women who most likely loved Kyron the most were unable to work together on this.

    BOC Staff says:
    January 22, 2020 at 8:12 am

    My point, I’m not so sure that DY’s fixation on Terri doesn’t have more to do with DY once being in Terri’s shoes and the lengths her pain went to structure her own reactive behavior at the time and in subsequent years, whereby she actually relinquishes primary custody of both her sons while demanding the language re no child support be part of the order, as it does that TH is actually capable of same. DY was dating a man with no kids when she briefly moved to Canada, and she then moved in with one 5 hours away a few months after her return ( also no kids). DY had only married Tony a few months prior to Kyron’s disappearance. No, I don’t believe DY was involved with her sons disappearance, but I have never seen any evidence Terri was either, and out of the two of them, investigatively only one got any real scrutiny and only one has had Kyron in their primary care for the preceding 5 years with a corresponding track record that includes consulting an Atty to adopt him when his bio Mom relinquished physical custody at 2 yo.

  6. BOC Staff says:

    If I understand you correctly it is a bit of the “hide in plain sight” motivation? What nefarious perp would announce the means to a lurid intention so “nothing to see here”. I couldn’t agree more, thank you for helping me/us get there- that’s incredibly important to point out. One only has to look to the Nassar case, with many sexual assaults committed against dozens of young girls with a parent present(As well as dozens of allegations occurring at “camp” retreats) as an example of such a brazen predatory scheme. That freak had already factored in the parent guilt/denial. Predators of this profile are also the most cunning, absolutely.
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  7. erose says:

    Yes. Exactly! Love to be understood.

  8. BOC Staff says:

    You are missed, Sir. I hope you and yours are well, VP.
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  9. BOC Staff says:

    I was told a detective in MCSO told DY/TY. I can’t really address your question/comment without discussing private info I have re the divorce/custody situation between DY and GM (Quinn Dad) and I don’t want to do that out of context.

    Adding to the “picture” though as “food for thought” is that Quinn and James were besties. Quinn spent the weekend at the Horman’s occasionally and at the McCulloughs. Before James went to live with the Moultons, that is.

  10. Rose says:

    Your James-Quinn comment triggered me to remember
    prior to that move out of town James was skipping
    school & had poor grades. And, we never heard anything
    about his friends. That suggests to me drug use of
    some sort prior to move. Was that a part of either older sib’s life?
    (step or half-bro) If so, another Kyron risk factor?
    ———
    I miss Sir too. miss Several Sirs, but one Star.

  11. Rose says:

    erose says:
    February 18, 2020 at 8:24 pm
    “It has always interested me that DY had that retraining order on KH,
    then turned around and gave him custody.”
    ——
    Some ppl use a RO in a custody, child support war,
    as Kaine did, not due to any actual concerns.
    Kaine was happy w/TH as a full-time parent right up to
    the divorce.

    The only thing I deduce about DY is that she was very
    unstable thru 2 marriages & their aftermath. Married only a
    few months to TY, who knows what she would’ve done next but
    for Kyron’s loss on which she said they committed
    that their marriage would not fail.

  12. BOC Staff says:

    No drug use whatsoever

  13. BOC Staff says:

    Agreed on the unfortunate but common use of civil TRO and RO’s in dissolution and custody matters. I would say though that in terms of DY withholding children from a parent in an impending dissolution scenario, the ONLY party with a history of doing that at the time of Kyron’s disappearance was DY. That’s just fact. No, I won’t expand on that.
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  14. Rose says:

    BOC Staff says:
    March 6, 2020 at 8:32 am
    Kyron’s disappearance did result in her other son leaving his father’s to move into her home late in high school leaving a place where he was successful in track & presumably had lifelong K-11 friends….then going on to a community college nonacademic career with a girlfriend. Would he have done a 4 year college degree at Dad’s? She got one son resident with her anyway from the abduction but not much trouble as he was a high school senior.

  15. erose says:

    Didn’t DY’s restraining order on KH say she feared he would kidnap the child(ren) or something to that effect?

  16. Rose says:

    ot
    How are we all on the corona?
    Thinking of Washingtonians.
    Am soon to hop on a cross country flight
    bcz it was only 56$ for an event I love at USC.
    Over 70 + underlying conditions but will go happy.
    I found this file of Italian drs interesting:
    https://twitter.com/ilvestoomas/status/1237482620088246272?s=21

  17. evie says:

    Hi Blinksters, long time no chat. I’m having a little trouble following the last month’s comments but I have been meaning to share with you that there was resolution to the killing of Nancy Bergeson, the public defender who was murdered in her home in 2009. We discussed her situation here sporadically over the years.
    “A 29-year-old Portland man was sentenced Thursday to 15 years in prison for the Nov. 24, 2009, killing of Assistant Federal Public Defender Nancy Bergeson in a case that baffled Portland detectives for a decade.

    Christopher Alexander Williamson pleaded guilty to first-degree manslaughter and first-degree burglary.

    Williamson was arrested in January 2019 after a covert jailhouse recording caught an inmate bragging about his involvement in the crime to another inmate, producing an unexpected breakthrough in the mysterious homicide.”

    more at https://www.oregonlive.com/crime/2020/03/man-who-killed-assistant-federal-public-defender-nancy-bergeson-sentenced-to-15-years-in-prison-for-manslaughter.html

    Wash your hands, stay away from humans and be well, all. : )

  18. Rose says:

    OT Festival cancelled, so like others am searching for scarcities.
    WA Gov Inslee is a star. So is Gates Fdtn.
    Wonder what mcso Sheriff is up to? And DA race?

  19. BOC Staff says:

    Yes. It was sought prior to Kyron’s birth so he is referred to as “unborn child”. Having reviewed that file in its entirety years ago, I am of the opinion it was more strategic than any real fear on DY part. Remember how odd it’s very existence was handled at the time it was “reported” though? Wasn’t that right around the time Pitkin got booted from a press conference and penned a quasi-rant?

  20. BOC Staff says:

    EVIE! xo
    Thanks for posting that update. To be honest, I am embarrassed at the amount of errors in AUSAPD Bergeson’s murder as well as how those errors defined the outcome of the actors in the case. Really- manslaughter for a homicide occurring during a felony burglary? It’s a capital case in any state and that determination has nothing to do with the health of the offender. This is what happens when sloppy police work defines plea deals. This jurisdiction is a hot mess, imo.
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  21. BOC Staff says:

    https://www.portlandmercury.com/blogtown/2019/07/17/26818675/candidates-have-begun-to-emerge-in-the-2020-multnomah-county-da-race

    Reminder:

    https://www.wweek.com/news/courts/2019/02/13/multnomah-county-prosecutors-violated-an-oregon-law-for-decades-then-they-got-caught/

    No follow up, only covered once on WW. Why wasn’t the defense bar all over this- or are they, and contributed to Underhill decision to retire? In about 3 months it will be 10 years ago a 7 year old was abducted from his Elementary School. It’s awful.
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  22. cd2 says:

    BOC Staff says:
    February 3, 2020 at 9:02 am

    -snip
    I think it also served as a stand alone piece of evidence that corroborated Terri’s timeline as well as underscores Porter’s negligence/ breach of standard of care that day. In my view, had Porter read that it should have been clear to her that Kyron was not with Terri and that Terri believed she would be picking Kyron up at school with his project based on her response. It’s my understanding Porter claimed she had not read that email prior to learning Kyron was missing.
-snip
    It was always one of the items that (imo) was yet another fly in MCSO’s theory ointment. Had Porter read that and responded appropriately- it could have changed everything.
    *****************************
    I have wondered why DY keeps saying there was an email Teri sent to Ms Porter on June 4 that made Ms. porter believe Kyron had left the school with Teri. Because If that was true and Porter did receive an email(and read it) excusing Kyron from school on the day he went missing then I would think Teri would have been arrested long ago.

    So since Ms Porter NEVER read Teri’s email. Did Ms. Porter assume(WITHOUT reading said email) that because there was an email in her inbox from Teri that it must be an email excusing Kyron. Which is why DY keeps saying there was an email.

    Makes me think that there must have been something that would be revealed in the depositions testimony required by the school from Kaine and DY in any civil suit brought by DY that would be very problematic for DY and maybe Kaine.
    Because if I was a parent who’s child went missing partially because of the schools gross negligence . I would have definitely brought a tort suit against the school or at least included the school in my civil suit against
    Teri.

  23. BOC Staff says:

    All I can say is that sometimes when the facts are left subject to manipulation-as they definitely are in this case, we have to sort of reverse engineer them (in context.).

    1. DY does not have access to the email she references. Initially, two people did. The sender and the recipient.
    2. DY filed and withdrew the civil suit which alleged that Terri abducted Kyron (kidnapped/secreted away).
    3. The email referenced was part of a sworn deposition in a civil custodial matter, which again, Ms. Young has no access to.
    4. The aforementioned deposition testimony also discusses what formed Ms. Porters belief about where Kyron was that afternoon and to be clear- not only was it negligent as to her responsibility re standard of care and school policy, but on more than one occasion with independent witnesses, Ms. Porter herself is on record that nothing in ANY of her communication with Terri, in writing or verbal, directed her thought. In quasi legal terms, Ms. Porter admitted negligence on the record. I have to say I found that pretty admirable. I also have to say that disclosure should have prompted DY counsel to add a defendant in usual circumstances. Above all, Ms. Porters testimony was dispositive that Kyron was still at the school when Terry was on CCTV 12 mi away.
    5. DY has made it a habit to say things that are interpretable as culpable to TH because she knows LE is under no obligation to correct mistakes of fact in her public statements.
    6. Porter did not respond to TH email of June 4. She claimed she had not read it prior to school dismissal that day, and I can tell you that during her conversation (confrontation) where she explained where she thought Kyron was, at no time did she state it was anything but her own misunderstanding. She said she thought Terry took Kyron with her to Kitty’s Dr. appt. An appt that actually occurred the day before, and Kyron was in school. Bewildering.

    Here is the reality here (it has not changed in nearly a decade)- It isn’t that LE or the DA (and in the area of civil proceedings, Atty) does not have corroborated physical and electronic evidence that Kyron did NOT leave the school with Terri that day, they do. The second they admit that they CANNOT PROVE Terri removed Kyron herself, they posit the possibility she had nothing to do with it and this very well could have been an opportunistic crime perpetrated by an unsub, or suspect zero.
    This hasn’t been a situation where LE cannot prove their theory. It is a situation where their own witnesses et al proved she left without him, at school, just as she said.

    Anyone else watch HBO THE OUTSIDER?
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  24. Rose says:

    “ Based on Stephen King’s best-selling novel of the same name, “The Outsider” begins by following an investigation which at first seems like it will be simple and straightforward but things change as it leads into the gruesome murder of a young boy by a seasoned cop. When an insidious supernatural force edges its way into the case, it leads the investigators to question everything they believe in. ” I subscribed to youtube tv last month. this is on it it says.

  25. Rose says:

    Thinking back to incident. How did SZ so quickly disable & secure kyron, else even kyron would’ve complained, screamed, & tried to get out of vehicle. Prob not a truck (suspicious) but a nondescript older sedan w/kyron on floor. Posit use of chloroform & zip ties for wrists, feet. Planned, & not indicative of a sexual predator’s motivation (wrong type site inside a school w/too many witnesses) tho that may have been a side benefit. Speaks of gang retribution & a hardened criminal murderer. Thinking retrib target most likely Tony in the case of the hispanic he prominently tried 2ce with much press or Kaine w/the steroids gang.

  26. Rose says:

    Actually the site was so flamboyantly flagrant, retribution-taker was waving
    it in Kaine/Tony’s face. I bet the lesson object knew, well maybe not
    thick as a plank Tony.

  27. Rose says:

    how’s that divorce coming, Blink?
    Did she have a son? Is she pregnant?

  28. erose says:

    How could Porter stand by and watch TH (and DDS) get smeared, not only by DY. but by almost all of Oregon. She was essentially tarred and feathered and run out of town. Disgraceful. Additionally, she allowed the entire community of Skyline to think that a “domestic kidnapping” had occurred instead of sounding the alarm that there was someone dangerous in that school…on her watch. Begs the question, who shut Porter up?

    BOC Staff says:
    March 18, 2020 at 1:51 pm

    snip>

    5. DY has made it a habit to say things that are interpretable as culpable to TH because she knows LE is under no obligation to correct mistakes of fact in her public statements.
    6. Porter did not respond to TH email of June 4. She claimed she had not read it prior to school dismissal that day, and I can tell you that during her conversation (confrontation) where she explained where she thought Kyron was, at no time did she state it was anything but her own misunderstanding. She said she thought Terry took Kyron with her to Kitty’s Dr. appt. An appt that actually occurred the day before, and Kyron was in school. Bewildering.

  29. Rose says:

    the case where Tony said in the press he visibly
    sat at the prosecutor’s table in trial 1 determined to get a conviction:
    https://casetext.com/case/state-v-salas-juarez-2
    I think this State Appeals Court is about as good on the criminal
    law as OR law schools are at a legal education. I am
    impressed Peter Gartlan himself & his deputy took the Appeal.

  30. Rose says:

    here’s a theoretical Q:
    Have missing children prepubertal & younger)
    changed statistically Jan-March 2020 or Jan 2017-present?
    Kids like Staunch (interfamily murder case) don’t count.

  31. BOC Staff says:

    I mentioned it because (no spoiler alert) it would be a recent investigative example (Albeit fictional)of how “generally” the concept that a suspect that is physically recorded on camera(s) elsewhere at both the exact time of a crime and in a location and travel distance that would preclude them from being a viable suspect over the duration of ANY criminal aspects of the instant matter served the purpose that investigators concluded “not our guy”.

    I have often wondered if that fact in this case (had it been made known to all investigators) was the reason the FBI pulled out and continues to maintain a different “opinion” and investigative “angle” than that of MCSO.

  32. BOC Staff says:

    Obviously I am speculating as well, but considering he was last seen in the company of the as yet unidentified male, I could never exclude perhaps he left willingly, the unwitting victim of a ruse he did not realize was one until he was away from any public detection or intervention.
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  33. BOC Staff says:

    It’s uncontested so far so going through the system as such. I have had no reason to check into her maternal status so I don’t know.

  34. BOC Staff says:

    I hate to respond with what will seem like my submission for this months captain obvious award, but afaik Porter testified before the grand jury and was deposed in the dissolution matter- both occurring under the objections of counsel (via teachers union/school/solicitor). This occurs both before and after the media begins eviscerating Spicher thank you DA Norm Frink.

    But super interesting to me about Porter is that at the very INITIAL encounter with Keefer, Hall, Kaine and Terry at Skyline where Terri confronts Porter in front of all, and actually has to be restrained at Porters response, Porter has never done anything or said anything to date I am aware of that expresses anything other than personal negligence wrt to her absence of protocol and standard of care on June 4th 2010 that allowed Kyron’s disappearance to go undetected until Terry boards the bus in front of the Horman driveway. There is zero doubt in my mind her counsel restricted her from giving any media interviews and/or speaking about the case outside a court order. Not that it mattered, as you may recall the DA and MCSO (through DY and KH were then controlling the reporting, questions and apparently the reporters access themselves.

    Sharpening the point here- in a world where both bio parents were suing Terri (in diff courts) the only one who deposed Porter was Steve Houze. I have always found that remarkable. While my response is definitely omitting my thoughts on Porters self-admitted negligence that day, her candor regarding same was definitely adverse to her own interests in a UGE way. From that aspect only-she has my respect. I know first hand from SEVERAL witnesses of the events of June 4th that tremendous stress was put on witnesses that did not have a flaming torch in their fists for the flaming red heads.

    Sadly, in this case it seemed like witnesses that were able to exculpate TH involvement were treated more like targets. Remember the caretaker (Dave on mower) who was badgered to change his timeline about when his truck was parked on the access road? He didn’t, but in no uncertain terms he was urged to do so “forcefully”. As I recall he even gave a short interview re same because his account (ounce again) corroborated Terri’s timeline.
    O/T to all- please stay healthy and safe and HOME XO
    B

  35. BOC Staff says:

    I get stuck when I read a prosecutor misstates Oregon law in their closing prior to the case going to the jury. Not objecting to …”he no longer has the presumption of innocence he is guilty” is an ineffectiveness of counsel claim when defense does not object in the first place. In many states the lead investigator status is interchangeable with case agent and for the most part are seated at the prosecution table during trial. I find myself developing an opinion that certain specific non family child abduction cases should be the jurisdiction of FBI CART and remain with the FBI through resolution. Simply put it requires a skill set and training level that as a rule local and state LE do not possess AND the differences in warrant access.
    In no way is that a slant to otherwise perfectly capable investigators. We are constantly tasking them in areas they have no experience and training but more importantly the FBI has the necessary tools in place to manage the administrative aspects that can be crucial. Ie: most LE depts do not even possess the software/systems to digitize and index the case file, tip prioritization etc. You know those “60” binders of Kyron’s? Not even searchable until several years after Kyron’s disappearance. There is a reason for the Limbergh law.
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  36. BOC Staff says:

    Brilliant and necessary question Rose. Here’s the rub. For any sort of usable prob and stats meaningful discussion for your prompt, the only way to effectively quantify a cases relevance is for it to be resolved/closed. Otherwise those of us with specific training revert right back to the most recent/relevant studies as a very remote possibility for quasi-template use.

    And even then, the samples are so very small and to my knowledge there is no current effort to update them as cases resolve and perhaps facts previously unknown become verifiable. I don’t think there is enough to move those particular dials in particular when overall an unsub child abduction is still considered a rare event. I’m encouraged by the surge in familial DNA utilization to resolve cases. That said, this is one of the reasons why I feel these cases belong with the FBI- pre pub victims generally are low risk and if non family the offender behavioral aspects need more focus. Pipe dream in quarantine, I know, lol.

  37. cd2 says:

    Rose says:
    March 19, 2020 at 8:43 pm
    -snip
    “ Based on Stephen King’s best-selling novel of the same name, “The Outsider”
    ————–
    I am currently binge watching HBO’s The Outsider
    4 episodes in. It is a really cool mystery. Of course I have done nothing else this day.

  38. BOC Staff says:

    Excellent Choice. I have not read any King in years (I am an avid reader but up until very recently I find myself reading mostly professional or non-fiction/ peer work) but I found that series a brilliant work. I binge watched Ozark 3 this weekend.
    I have an actor/director crush on Jason Bateman I have decided. Can he do fear/tension like no other these days, lol?

  39. Rose says:

    OT to TY, cd & Blink
    I subscribed to family youtubetv & its the best thing I’ve ever done even tho we have fios tv. Running thru Archives of several series like Law & Order. yesterday YouTube TV a free movie subsidiary epix?? for a month, no fee or billing after. So, I will follow in yr footsteps. I was grieveously exposed to covid 3 days last week. Was at a CVS prescription pickup lengthy periods M/T/W. Older pickup (& med bag shelving by alphabet) female had an incessant dry cough & said it was asthma & copd (Not what it was). She wore a mask down on her chin to one side ( not over mouth) & Wed I watched her lick 3 ungloved fingers of right hand as she sorted & shelved med bags. Yesterday mgr of a difft cvs told me was a positive covid test in that pharmacy’s staff. He said all CVS store employees have strict instructions not to disclose to public when I told him a store employee denied it. Today most personnel are difft & from other stores. She is gone. She was a B..when I pointed out she’d licked her fingers & could someone else give me my bag. She gave herself a tiny squirt of purell, mask down, a bit mad
    .
    I have learned thru speaking to County Health Dept nurse repr for public contact that each lab, public &’private, has an epidemiologist job who by law reports to Cty PH. It is that epidemiologist who also tells the Cty PH Dept the employee work risk groups. ie wrt a pharmacist, it might be immediate coworkers, persons directly getting shots, & might or might not include those picking up prescriptions. If so, CVS will give the Cty PH that list. CVS has no other obligation to disclose, & like I said store employees are told not to. Today I talked to the covering head pharmacist & told him of my 3 exposures last week & that employee’s behaviors. He did not confirm a covid pos test in the pharmacy or the type of employee ie, aide/tech pickup window v pharmacist. He said they have internal store mtgs & he’d bring up my information there. I googled a couple stories where Mike DeAngelis, the Corp PR honcho confirmed a pharmacist pos (Sarasota Cty NY) & Cranford ? Apparently this goes public when a reporter gets hold of it & emails DeAngelis for comment & he replies by email. I found his email addr & plan to write him cc to WaPo about the situation at this Store no. The Cty PH Dept does nothing on a report by an exposed store patron after a pos employee test. The County acts only on information from these random individual corp & public lab epidemiologists & the parameters the epi specifies of work site risk.
    My advice: use only local nonCorp pharmacists for the next couple of years.

  40. erose says:

    Ixnay on King, but ditto, ditto on Ozarks and Bateman.

    BOC Staff says:
    March 29, 2020 at 8:06 am
    Excellent Choice. I have not read any King in years (I am an avid reader but up until very recently I find myself reading mostly professional or non-fiction/ peer work) but I found that series a brilliant work. I binge watched Ozark 3 this weekend.
    I have an actor/director crush on Jason Bateman I have decided. Can he do fear/tension like no other these days, lol?

  41. erose says:

    That’s what I am curious about, Where was the stress coming from, and most importantly why? If we’re going back to the sheriff/DA having locked themselves into a theory early on, then shame on them and Porter for not protecting the public at large. And what would that pressure from them look like? Don’t say a word or else. Or else what?

    BOC Staff says:
    March 28, 2020 at 1:25 pm

    snip>

    I know first hand from SEVERAL witnesses of the events of June 4th that tremendous stress was put on witnesses that did not have a flaming torch in their fists for the flaming red heads.

  42. BOC Staff says:

    O/T: Rose, your experience is most disheartening and I appreciate you sharing it. In the COVID-19 pandemic the majority of us are at the mercy of this globally-fluid advice and response triage “vortex” with no end in short sight. Grossly unqualified to give advice on this topic, I will simply share my “practice”- I just behave as though I am an asymptomatic carrier and anyone I come into socially distanced contact with is my 79 year old beloved Dad (whom I had to take to a surgical procedure on 3/17) and take those associated precautions as best I can. Lots of prayer.
    B

  43. Rose says:

    I went 2 the M-W staff book suggestions I posted above & embarked on buying the deep deep snow by brian freemanabout an adbucted ? 10 yo boy & the Amazon preview has me now on chap 4 so maybe it’s all there. I get an indie bkstore @politics&prose on twitter, & a staffer named Keith today recommended mysteries incldg Freeman & Pearson on the M-W list.

    I’ve been wondering how this will affect DA election?
    No one running was impressive.
    & wondering if mcso Sheriff will retire;
    he had in his double dipping 5 years

  44. Rose says:

    DA Candidate Stuff:

    https://electethanknight.com/?gclid=CjwKCAjw95D0BRBFEiwAcO1KDCXrDHCMhI81d0VwC91HmByBqaEzbKVTmz8a6f_qPNcQmUUiVD59nhoCKIoQAvD_BwE

    https://www.opb.org/news/article/kirsten-naito-drops-out-multnomah-county-district-attorney-race/

    The 3rd: https://www.mikeschmidtforda.com/about/
    He’ll obv be elected. Mult Cty deserves a seasoned criminal litigator & supervisor of litigators whether from govt or defense side. Schmidt’s DA Office resume resume is thin w/ no supervisory crim law. most of his career is as a public policy, social issues guy. lgbt issues repr like naito’s, prison reform, racial fairness—all are public pol issues & suggest work on Gov’s staff, 4 legislature or Commissions, not Mult DA who should have a litigators heart, motivation, & experience. Shrunk ought to look back at his failure to train successors & shudder at his folly.

    Contenders depress me re strategies for Finding Kyron.

  45. BOC Staff says:

    My sincere hope is that when Kyron is recovered his location will require a change of LE agency of jurisdiction. Preferably of the Federal variety. Mcso couldn’t prosecute this case if they end up with a body and a corroborated confession.
    B

  46. BOC Staff says:

    Absolutely. It’s like even the defense bar- who actually got their way a few times in recent years gave up.
    B

  47. Rose says:

    MC DAs Office couldn’t prosecute the case no matter what mcso provided as evidence. A hapless group. Thinking back to how Shrunk (thru his Supv employee Underhill) assigned Heidi as full-time DA in liaison w/mcso the first year. She’d lost a felony criminal trial by then panned by jurors, & later left the practice of law for Gov Office policy which imo was an Ivanka move. .

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