Dr. Phil Show Hosts Missing Portland Child Kyron Horman’s Step Mom Terri Horman Over Two Episodes

I have been covering this case since Kyron Horman disappeared from Skyline School in June, 2010.    Like most missing persons cases I have covered in the past,  I am of the strong opinion that best efforts at the truth are the only way to propel investigations that, similarly to Kyron’s, have gone cold for one reason or another.   This approach has worked in resolving some of my previous cases.    I am proud of that.  I remain steadfast to the integrity involved in those and future cases.

Over the past 10 months (or so) I have been developing an updated series on Kyron’s case to include my multiple interviews with Kyron’s step-mom,  Terri Horman.   Needless to say as she was the subject of at least three simultaneous cases before an Oregon court and remains a person of interest by the agency investigating her sons disappearance, this has been an arduous and sometimes delicate journey.    Ms. Horman’s experiences during the ongoing investigation of the disappearance of Kyron Horman are critically important to propelling his case and with great hope- finding the truth about what happened to this cherubic and innocent child.    There are dozens of sources,  collateral interviews, forensic experts and legal analysts that also contribute to my series and have done so because of their belief that my motivation is to bring to light information and opinions in such a way that would almost “require” a focused review of Kyron’s case and the likely shaking of that proverbial tree everyone talks about.

Set to publish about 6-ish weeks ago I was asked to postpone the first installment of the series, which I did.  I subsequently learned Ms. Horman was participating in the Dr. Phil program after she completed taping.  Dr. Phils producers were well aware that Ms. Horman had interviewed with me extensively, and anticipated my series would be publishing information that was not known to the public previously in the days prior to her scheduled episode.    When Ms. Horman conveyed to me that she feels obligated to speak out about “her son” in any national medium that will have her,   I most certainly respected that.  I still do.

While Dr. Phil seems like a gregarious fellow for sure,   I have zero interest in being associated with his program, nor do I believe his shows content is designed to do any furtherance of investigation or truth.  There is much concern (although I have no affiliation to the show whatsoever) that the timing of the publication of my series on the Kyron Horman matter might be interpreted differently or inadvertently contribute to the programs content or audience reactions.     Not what I signed on for.   A missing 7 year old boy six years running is not a framework for entertaining a target audience.   He is not fodder for online social media bully campaigns- yet it occurs.

I will be publishing my series on Kyron’s case at a later date, in it’s entirety with no editing adjustments as a result of any of the appearances on Dr. Phil.   I appreciate your patience and your understanding.   Feel free to discuss the show below.


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  1. T. Ruth says:

    The records request delays/denials by PPS are indeed interesting Rose, thanks for that WW link.

    More here:


    Interim General Counsel Stephanie Harper said in a cover letter to requestors that she would need more justification of the public interest to decide whether the request merited a fee waiver.

    “We have not yet taken steps to process the request for text messages from the three Board members identified relating to the student protest, nor has PPS apprised the Board members of that particular request,” Harper wrote, adding: “That request is not denied, however, it is not clear to me how the text messages of only three board members related to the student protest is related to the public interest.”

    Under Oregon Public Records Law, governments can charge “reasonable” fees to recover “actual costs” of retrieving documents. However, these terms are up to the government to interpret and there are no limits on the amount that they can charge in state statute. If a public agency determines the “public interest” is served by the release of documents, they can waive all or part of the fee. Records are often requested by commercial interests in addition to media and the general public.

    Jack Orchard, an attorney for the Oregon Newspaper Publishers Association of which Portland Tribune is a member, says there is no “checklist” for what constitutes the public interest. But he says a request involving a school bond and the protest of hundreds of students — matters of significant public interest, public finance and where the school board and administration stands — “seems to me it tests out awfully high on the public interest meter.”

    PPS has previously quoted a fee of $1,175 per cell phone for a forensics firm to download all data, which would then be organized and redacted as needed.

    An Oct. 14 decision from the Multnomah County District Attorney’s Office says that the county doesn’t have jurisdiction over records held by elected officials and cannot order their release. A state court would have to make that determination.


    Maybe it’s finally time people are tired of being sheeple.

  2. T. Ruth says:

    @ Rose in April 7, 2010, Harper was a Deputy City Attny:

    Stephanie Harper, Deputy City Attorney: Good morning. I’m stephanie harper, a deputy city attorney with the city attorney’s office. As yvonne mentioned, the bargain be processes require a high level of flexibility and nimbleness at the bargaining table and in order to protect the city’s interests, in historically speaking in past negotiations there have been times when it would be in the city’s interest to file — if need be — legal action such as unfair labor complaints in order to obtain clarity about scope of bargaining kinds of issues. For example, what issues must we bargain about versus what issues may we bargain about and the state employment board is there to provide clarity if there are disputes and also allows the parties to take action if a party at the table is acting contrary to the good faith bargaining obligation at the table and we want to be prepared in the event that this authorization is required, then we can move quickly in order to protect the city’s interests, if need be, at the state employment relations board.


  3. T. Ruth says:

    @TMH thank you for answering that question. I wish someone would teach me the correlation between letters and numbers, I suck at math, even though I worked in accounting for years, it’s logic, not math, my calculator does the math. :) I love music for instance and have pretty much an ear for correct tone and harmony, but all those notes on a page mean nothing to me, can’t figure out how a black mark with a tail on a page can translate to sound. Just my pea brain, I guess. I’m pretty sure if I’d had a teacher like ATG when I was young, I’d have had a lot more chance. We were never taught music in school, though I loved chorus. Oh well, can’t have everything.

    I have the same questions as Rose, particularly who taught the math class and which classroom and what period would Ky have been in said class.

    Just trying to get a bead on Kyron’s close circle of friends and family and teachers. Speaking of music, did Kyron take any music lessons or play any instruments?

  4. T. Ruth says:

    In Oregon, if a requester is not satisfied with a local government’s response to an open records request, they can appeal to their county’s district attorney. For a state agency, they can appeal to the Oregon Attorney General. There are no deadlines in state law for a response to a public records requests, but previous attorneys general opinions have established a 10-business-day rule of thumb. Delays beyond that can be seen as a “constructive denial,” or a ruling that the agency is essentially denying the request by not responding.

    So if an interested parent were to ask PPS, siting FOIA, for a list of let’s say, chaperones used at the science fair at Skyline on June 4, 2010, or also maybe also of public interest, a list of any substitute teachers who worked at Skyline that whole week, or for example a list of vendors, or maybe even any and all emails regarding the science fair and it’s preparation or maybe any and all emails/texts regarding whatever it was that went haywire on June 3rd of that week, or emails/texts regarding any certain party (you get my gist). Would they have to supply it? Under what circumstances could they not? Would everything that happened at that school *prior* to Kyron’s disappearance be considered part of the investigation? How would they draw a line? That week, that month, the whole school year is taboo? Just wondering.

    Btw, why hasn’t anyone filed a FOIA on the amount of money, by line item, that was spent to date on the Kyron Horman case? Is that amount of money not considered public interest? There has never been an accounting of that, right? I don’t think that could possibly be construed as “part of the investigation”, so how could it not be forthcoming if requested?

  5. Rose says:

    and thank you T.

  6. Rose says:

    @Ode says:
    October 25, 2016 at 10:57 am
    “Why will neither Bio talk about what happened in that red circle”
    Kaine= might have to pay, not collect, child support.
    Desiree = imo from the beginning Kelly has managed her affairs and done
    what a mother would do, except when a face was needed on camera.
    Therefore, I infer Desiree is disabled for some reason wrt what the public
    expects in such a scenario. Her stalking of Moultons in their home and affiliation
    with Soldier are perhaps symptoms.

  7. Rose says:

    @TRuth. iirc public interest relates to
    whether the requestor has to pay for
    staff time wrt information or obtain it free.

    everything is fair play unless the agency & DA
    on appeal cites confidential grounds & redacts.

  8. TMH says:

    Kyron started playing the recorder in second grade. He’s very artistic and loves to sing. Biodad plays a little guitar, as do I. I think that would be an avenue he would want to try if not the trumpet which James played in the school band since elementary school. He would listen to him practice sometimes.

  9. A Texas Grandfather says:

    T. Ruth

    Learning to read music is easy. All the symbols have a unique meaning just as does and alphabet and it’s symbols that are used to build a sentence.

    Music is built on a staff of five lines and four spaces. There are only seven letters used in the musical alphabet-A,B,C,D,E,F,&G. Seven is an important number in music. There are seven sharps in keys where they are used and seven flats in keys where they are used. A key with no sharps or flats is the key of C. A sharp sign looks like the # sign and raises the pitch one-half step. A flat looks like the lower case letter b. It lowers the pitch one-half step.

    There are multiple clef signs, but the two most used are the G clef also known as the treble clef indicated by a symbol that appears somewhat like a very stylized letter S. It is in fact a stylized letter G with the symbol wrapping around the second line from the bottom making that line G. The other symbol is the stylized letter F which wraps around the fourth line with two dots one above and the other below the line. That fixes the fourth line as the letter F and is known as the bass clef. Both clefs are often tied together with a bracket in piano and organ music and they are known as the grand staff.

    Notes are designed to have values of time. The open note that looks like a zero 0 is a whole note and normally has a value of four counts. When a stem is added the value is one-half of the whole note and it gets two counts. The half note is further divided by filling in to make a solid note with a stem that normally gets one beat. Single notes can be created by the number of flags attached to the stem. An eighth note has one flag, a sixteenth note has two, a 32nd note has three and a 64th note has four. There are two eighth notes to the beat, four 16th notes, eight 32nd notes and 16 64th notes to a single beat.

    The numbers two and seven play an important part of music.

    Go find a piece of music and compare what you find there to this information. There may be some things you find that are a little different than I described. They most likely will be a bar or two bars connecting a group of notes together and a very small dot behind a note. The bars are like flags and the dot adds one-half of the value to the note.

    Music lesson one is prepared. Now do your homework.


  10. A Texas Grandfather says:

    I doubt that anyone outside of MCSO and perhaps the county auditors office will ever find the actual amount of money allocated to the search for Kyron. So much of it was misused to fatten the pay checks of the officers.

    All government offices should be required to have an outside audit firm examine all expenditures for each year and be reported in a public publication or on a web site. This would be a big help in keeping expenditures from getting out of hand. It would also allow the public to have a better understanding of just how much criminals add to the cost of government operations. It isn’t a trivial sum.

  11. Rose says:

    @Ode. In the summer of 2010, if the bios had directed public focus to that red circle, to SZ, and the exit door, all public interest and media would have shifted from them and been directed to Skyline/PPS, its principal & staff, and SZ. None of the media focus thereafter would have been on either bio. And fundraising by both to “search” woukd have ground to a halt. So much for BKH Fdtn and GoFundMe. Moreover, the Sheriff’s presentations to the commissioners for SAR search money woukd’ve been less well received. So imo TRuth, you’re right in that money is at the root of much case leadership behavior.

  12. Rose says:

    Boy did Pitkin miss the boat.

  13. erose says:

    Who cannot relate to this household, and if this could happen to them…

    TMH says:
    October 25, 2016 at 12:45 pm


    James and Kyron spent some great quality time together both academically and playtime. Both boys were looking forward to when Kiara could play with Hotwheel Cars and when that happened we had the Hot Wheel Track Running from one end of the house to the other through the kitchen. It was pretty hilarious but made dinner an obstacle.

  14. Rose says:

    @Malty. You were looking for a picture of the bench?
    Look to Desiree’s surrogate’s FB site.
    A real work of art, beautiful with the windmill in the background.
    And defaced by ticky tacky from the Deplorables imo.

  15. T. Ruth says:

    @TMH says:
    October 25, 2016 at 12:45 pm

    Thanks for your responses. Obviously you may have heard differently from LE (truth or not), but in his media statement, released to the public Tyler never said where or when he saw the truck, i.e., specific location or time frame. He simply said he saw it in the lot, nor did he say where he (TK) was when he saw it.

    “I just saw him (Kyron) in the gym, and I saw the truck out in the parking lot,” he said Wednesday. Kessinger said Kyron was looking at other students’ science fair projects, seemed happy and was with friends.


    Thanks for asking T. Ruth- she parked on the shoulder on 6/4/10.

    @Blink, not trying to step on toes here, but is it okay to ask TMH where she parked, so that Quizzie could put it on his/her map for future reference?

  16. T. Ruth says:

    @rose, did you a while back, say that Krafve had left MCSO and then returned, or did I get that wrong?

  17. Rose says:

    Reese’ announcement has disappeared from the WW home page tonite, but he was featured earlier today,
    Groundhog Reese peeked up to announce (despite public consensus Feds shoukd deport illegal aliens with criminal charges in the US), he’s not holding any at ICE request in his jail pending their deportation hearings. So what’s a Fed deportation program to do without local Sheriff’s cooperation. WW disappeared Reese’ home page policy announcement. imo Staton-Reese policy is Pandering to progressives but lacking political support broadly.

  18. T. Ruth says:

    The sheriff’s office told KGW on Monday the search **was unrelated** to Kyron, who disappeared in 2010 at the age of 7. No one has been charged in his disappearance.

    A rumor circulated over the weekend that the sheriff’s office was searching for Kyron along Highway 30, but on Monday a spokesman told KGW the rumor had no basis in fact and the search was part of a training exercise combined with an evidence search on an active case.

    On Wednesday, the sheriff’s office said the search, which was used as a training exercise, **was related** to the Kyron Horman case.


    This is just all soooooo weird. Who is pulling the wool over whom’s eyes?

    If this particular article was already posted I apolly. I hadn’t sen this one from KGW. Who, in MCSO, is issuing statements saying one thing and then later turns tail and says something else? (Trump-like, sorry couldn’t resist.)

  19. Rose says:

    Someone unqualified runs for Sheriff against Reese, probably for publicity, but A for effort.

  20. Rose says:

    @TRuth. I don’t believe he left.
    But I do not recall him being Supv of the Detective
    Unit on the last org charts, the one c last May
    and the one c2013? Given his longevity at mcso,
    perhaps he was one of Reese’s remembered
    colleagues. Iirc he thot himself a skilled shark detective
    in the 1990s.

  21. Rose says:

    @ATG. No wonder my dau plays by ear.

  22. T. Ruth says:

    @TMH says:
    October 25, 2016 at 7:06 pm

    Thanks, TMH. Good to know. Now ya see, that information is information that should have and could have been put out there at the beginning of this case. I still don’t understand why no one was talking about Kyron. His teachers should have also been weighing in on his traits and interests….. instead, crickets.

    If there is a chance this child is being held captive somewhere by someone, it’s highly possible he may have asked for those things from his captor; a recorder, a guitar, art supplies. And perhaps the creep that took him had never bought those sorts of things before and never set foot in a music store. Should have been added right there with model cars. The more the public knows about this child, the more they can help find him if he is still out there, and I won’t stop looking for him until I know he’s not.

    I remember seeing Kyron’s art work in the beginning, the stained glass drawing was splendid for a 7 year old. I always wondered where he had seen that. I would be proud to hang it on my refrigerator, in fact I’d probably have framed it.

  23. T. Ruth says:


    @A Texas Grandfather says:
    October 25, 2016 at 11:47 pm

    Thanks, ATG. Believe it or not, I’m going to print that out and try to make it make sense to me. I taught myself the ukulele when I was young, and then guitar, and harmonica. But I only learned the chords from a book that showed them. I play by ear, but I can only strum and sing along, taught the grandkids and nephews. One of my grandsons now plays awesome guitar and I gave him my old one that I’d had since The Beatles inspired me. I have a piano keyboard that I bought mainly for the grandkids, and fool around with that occasionally. One of these days, this old grandma, is going to pamper herself and go get piano lessons, maybe then it will all make sense. Who says you can’t teach an old dog new tricks; not me. :)

  24. T. Ruth says:

    T. Ruth says:
    October 26, 2016 at 12:48 pm

    Blink says:

    Thanks for asking T. Ruth- she parked on the shoulder on 6/4/10.

    The shoulder out in front of the school, on the same side of the road as the school, facing what I believe is W or NW?

  25. T. Ruth says:

    I wonder how many “detectives” MCSO has?

    Head of Investigations is:
    Lt Ned Walls

    under him are listed:

    - Sgt Keith Krafve, Detectives
    - Sgt Jan Kubic, Special Investigations
    - Sgt Lars Snitker, Warrant Strike Team

    is that it? Gosson was once listed as a detective, where did he go?

    Who is the lead detective on Kyron’s case?

    You know, rose, you were asking who is KR & DY’s “LE team”. Maybe it’s Tony Young and friends of his. Maybe that’s why they are asking for tips to be sent directly to them. Maybe their team has nothing to do with MCSO. IDK

  26. T. Ruth says:

    If TMH parked out in front of that school, why didn’t Dave Stenson mention seeing the truck parked there, would he not pull in on the access road right next to it. (Time to look at maps again.)

    If TK saw what he thought was their (er, pardon me, *Kaine’s*) truck parked in the lot and TMH did not park there, doesn’t that tell us there was at least one other truck that looked like the theirs?

    Is that what LE was looking for, someone to call in and say, oh yeah, my truck was parked in the south lot, and yes it was a white F250 blah blah blah, but no one ever did? Well, I wonder why not? (snark) And because no one ever called themselves in, LE decided TMH must have moved her truck? Good grief, please tell me there was more to it than that.

  27. T. Ruth says:


    Undone by auto-correct

    City Hall insiders and others had a laugh in

    July when tweets released by Mayor Charlie Hales’ office showed he and his staff joked that Commissioner Steve Novick’s last name auto-corrects to “Novice” when writing online. After it was pointed out, Hales’ former chief of staff, Josh Alpert, replied, “ha — prescient!”

    But sharp-eyed readers of the Portland Tribune’s website also have noticed that on a few occasions, Commissioner Dan Saltzman’s last name has posted as “Salesman” for the same reason. Of course, given Saltzman’s role in pushing all the new affordable housing proposals through the City Council recently, some might might say, “ha — prescient!”

    But, so far, we’ve avoided posting Multnomah County Commissioner Judy Shiprack’s auto-correct last name — “Shipwreck.”


    (This made me laugh, and is also why I never use auto-correct.)

  28. cd says:

    T. Ruth says:
    October 26, 2016 at 10:21 pm
    The sheriff’s office told KGW on Monday the search **was unrelated** to Kyron, who disappeared in 2010 at the age of 7. No one has been charged in his disappearance.
    On Wednesday, the sheriff’s office said the search, which was used as a training exercise, **was related** to the Kyron Horman case.


    This is just all soooooo weird. Who is pulling the wool over whom’s eyes?

    I think you have to take into consideration the person who is reporting about the search. Kyle Iboshi is practically a member over at world soldiers so he is going to use any excuse to try and make Terri look guilty to the public. His reporting is so slanted I can’t believe that KGW even keeps him around. He probably kept asking everyone over at MCSO about the search until he got the answer he wanted. I believe Kyle has also researched and revealed Terri’s address and given the information to world soldier so that she could continue their stalking effort.
    I no longer watch the news on KGW because if this guys stories are so slanted about Terri then what is any of his information worth and he is one of their so called investigative reporters..

  29. Bobbi Jo says:

    Just a couple thoughts…the timeline of the day Kyron disappeared says the school was searched in less than an hour. That school has many places Kyron could have hid or been hid. Did they search with dogs? I think every square inch of the school needs to be searched again and they need to use cadaver dogs and xray the walls. Does that school have a fallout shelter?

  30. erose says:

    Is Dave Stenson’s story exculpatory for TH? I am guessing Stenson said from the get go that he never saw the Horman truck. IIRC, originally he said he arrived at 7:45 and left at 8:30, then later changed it to after 9 am.

    If we go off of his original timeline he would have arrived before TH and left with her truck parked on the shoulder.

    If we go off of his subsequent timeline she would have had time to take Kyron with her since he was once reportedly last seen at 9 am. Was he coerced into that timeline?

    Or, most likely he did arrive at 7:45 and begin mowing. TH parks on the shoulder around 8:05. Stenson is not focused on the shoulder, but the task at hand, so he is not aware that she parked. She leaves at 8:45 and he leaves shortly afterwards, never realizing she was there at all.

    I don’t think he was paying that much attention to the time, until pressed that had he left at 8:30, he would have seen TH’s truck, so he would have had to revise it to a later time. Or maybe he said 8:30 – 9:00 from the get go.

  31. Rose says:

    - Sgt Keith Krafve, Detectives
    - Sgt Jan Kubic, Special Investigations
    - Sgt Lars Snitker, Warrant Strike Team
    these are each specialized units.
    The 3 Sgts supervise deputies under them in the unit.

    Wasn’t Gossun Gresham, though on that NW specialty
    crime team interagency team that first handled the case?

    Iirc one had no view of the shoulder from access road due
    to the grasses/vegetation?
    Stenson might’ve arrived after her departure, but likely very focused on getting
    the job done & moving on. Likely frustrated by the auto crowd. I doubt he paid attention
    to anything else excelt music on his player.

  32. Rose says:

    OT this was expectable but the countrywide law breakers will now be embodened.
    Bet new juror the paralegal marched in and splained “the law.”
    So much for the Nudge saying start over as tho no deliberations had transpired.
    I submit the USAttys’ office under Williams is hapless.
    I know no more crim law than one semester decades ago.
    But any fool could see a better trial strategy than multiple defendants, with multiple
    charges each, and a Portland lay jury. They needed to pick one defendant, Ammon and not his pathetic
    looking brother, and have 3 clearly proveable charges with maximum sentences. Bring that home then try the rest one by one after the first set of positive conviction headlines. Who’s the head of OR DOJ Crim Section? He probably feared a Republican AG would not try the rest. OR won’t clean up as long as Wyden holds sway over Federal judicial bench judges and the US Atty alptmt.

    Im very confused- they tased the lawyer to take Bundy back into custody? WTF goes on in that State? I can’t say I recall a similar scenario in Fed court-

  33. Rose says:

    typo the Judge.
    In fact she didn’t Nudge.
    Oh for Fed judge Ancer Haggerty, retired.

  34. Rose says:

    It bothers me that it does not bother Desiree and Kaine that Soldier everlastingly posts pictures
    that would likely encourage SZ to reminesce: Kyron in pjs, in diaper pull ups, or half naked, always cute. In
    custodial father’s shoes, I’d have sued Facebook and Soldier to stop it. Imo only he has standing to do so.

  35. A Texas Grandfather says:


    Professional musicians learn to play by ear as well as read. One of the courses in music school is called transcription. When I studied, none of the modern music media existed other than 78rpm & 45rpm and a very few 33 1/3 rpm records. The teacher would play an eight bar phrase on the piano with the keyboard positioned where none could see it. Our job was to write the phrase on a piece of staff paper.

    We also had a class called sight singing. This required one to pick up a piece of music never before seen and sing it in pitch. Some people could not sing and the first lessons were funny. My mother taught me to sing at age five. She had collected a lot of music from the tin-pan alley era between 1910 and 1920. A published song scored for piano from a Broadway show of that time was five cents.

    In elementary school, every classroom had a special wire frame chalk holder that held five pieces of chalk to draw the five lines of a staff on a blackboard. We had a thirty minute music lesson several times a week. Most of the teachers of that time could play a piano.

    One of the major problems we have in recruiting string players for the new orchestra is finding those who can read and play violin rather than fiddle. This carries over to the other string parts too.

  36. A Texas Grandfather says:

    T. Ruth

    The content that I wrote for you is usually a 30 minute lesson with a teacher. Go to google and enter “Circle of Fifths” as the search phrase. Many of the hits will lead to pages of music theory. Most start with the five lines and progress from there. A visual is usually available.

    The four spaces on a treble clef staff from bottom to top spell the word F A C E. There is a little phrase that describes the lines from the bottom “Every Good Boy Does Fine” E G B D &F.

    The base clef spaces from bottom to top is “All Cows Eat Grass” A C E G. The lines are “Good Boys Do Fine Always” G B D F A.

    The piano keyboard has 88 keys. The lowest note is A0. Octaves are considered from C. C1 is the note adjacent to the two grouped black keys at the left end of the keyboard. C3 is the second space on the bass clef. C4 is also called middle C and on a grand staff is on a ledger line between the bass and treble staves. There are three notes between the staves. They are B4, C4 and D4.

    If you check several of the web sites, they may have a section of theory on chords or at least a chord chart.

    Good luck and remember to have fun.

  37. Rose says:

    @erose re “If we go off of his original timeline he
    would have arrived before TH and left with her truck parked on the shoulder.”

    yeah, or any defense using his online stuff could say he was on weed,
    lisrened to internal music, & was therefore timeline unreliable.

    If he exited north, before 8:45 which i doubt,
    he’d not have seen her truck on shoukder anyway.

    The biggest impeachment of Stenson’s useful
    contribution, was that he didn’t jump
    in feet first (to call LE) upon his first knowledge of the disappearance.

  38. Rose says:

    @Blink. lawyer began screaming “release him”
    but marshalls were holding him to return him
    to nevada or wherever, utah? bundys’
    last Federal Sin was to be tried back home.
    tbey’d been shuttling back and forth before.
    lawyer was grandstanding.
    needs Bar charges.
    He knew the drill.

    I wasn’t there of course, but yes, if he was actively interfering with an arrest which was proper, he is not the smartest counsel I have ever seen, but it does give the appearance of retributive action on behalf of the US Marshalls. I am not making any claims about guilt or innocence here- but if I were a Judge I would pretty pissed that melee ensued in my court. Was the jury already excused? So the hold was not new?

  39. A Texas Grandfather says:

    Skyline school is just a little more than a mile North of the county line with Klackamas county. NW Brooks road intersects with NW Skyline at the school. At 3/4 mile South of the school Brooks has a 90 degree turn to the East and then back south to intersect with NW Kaiser Rd at the county line. That would be an easy escape route from the school with little housing close to the road.

    There is also the Krueger pond area about a mile West of the school. The pond area is heavily wooded and is at a lot lower elevation than the surrounding land. Does anyone know if that area was searched?

    I don’t remember anyone posting about the Klackamas county LE participation in the search for Kyron.

  40. Rose says:


    I didn’t realize Rosenblum was running, much less had a Real hallenger:
    In his list of her debacles he left out her kead investigator run amok with the head of her Criminal Division and herself. A review of this week’s O article woukd shoukd kead investigator & his asst running tge Sakem area to fush fir anyone using @blacklivesmatter on twitter. On mlk day johnson sent a tweet with an image from a rap album cover. Investigator decided the image was a policeman rather than a black man, and at Crim Div’ Dir’s request wrote a report asessing him as a threat to public safety. Ellen kept that report on her desk–about her own Div Dir of Civil Rights–for 2 weeks before calling him in and confronting him with the threat assessment. No probable cause to use the fishing software, no evidence for the assessment, no due process interview before the threat assessment was put in writing. Just think if that had been any other Salem resident caught in the investigator’s fishing trip. First a Sting. Then a Swat team arrest. Ellen only took action after this became public and there was an outcry. The challenger looks meritirious. For Oregon’s sake, I hope he wins.

  41. Rose says:

    OT 6 point REFORM platform on his website.
    No $ to campaign tho.
    emphasis on child sex trafficking.

  42. T. Ruth says:

    @cd says:
    October 27, 2016 at 2:20 pm


    What I was trying to point out is that after the MCSO training search on the 17th, KGW was told by MCSO on Monday the 19th, that it was not related to Kyron’s case. Then on Wednesday, the 21st they told KGW and apparently Olive & KATU that it was related. It can’t be both ways, MCSO are liars, one way or the other. Kyle also shows a copy of the statement issued by MCSO & (allegedly) the DA’s office regarding the Stephen Houze contact.

    I can’t blame Kyle for this one. (Though I might like to.) When is the media going to realize that THEY have been played by MCSO all along. One would think that would at the very least, start making investigative reporters out of at least some of them. Sigh.

    Exactly true on this one, with the exception that you will note I did not publish that info- although I am on the media circulation- I asked the appropriate questions as Kyle should have. But MCSO hands don’t feed me, obvs, lol.

  43. T. Ruth says:


    Thanks for the tips ATG. Some of which I knew, lots I didn’t. Now this idea will probably work for me, I will definitely be trying to simply learn to write what I hear.

    “The teacher would play an eight bar phrase on the piano with the keyboard positioned where none could see it. Our job was to write the phrase on a piece of staff paper.”

    Never thought about writing it as opposed to trying to read it, silly me, I know that will help me learn. Thanks.

    (My first 33 1/3 was Rubber Soul, in “stereo” no less. Before that, only 45′s which cost like 50 cents each, or over an hour of my babysitting income. LOL)

    Okay, leaving the music scene.

  44. Rose says:

    hold was not new. existed before the trial began.

    iirc bundys had been shuttled back and forth to utah re those charges before the OT trual began.
    She had little control of her Courtroom thruout the trial.

    @ATG that quick artery to clackamus cty was not on the list mcso requested vudeo footage from residents was it?
    if not, big bungle. feels like SZ had an associate who musdirected mcso to Teri’s driving path and not SZ’s.

  45. Rose says:

    i mean to nevada.

    Thank you Rose.

  46. T. Ruth says:

    Rose says:
    October 27, 2016 at 8:01 pm

    OT this was expectable but the countrywide law breakers will now be embodened.


    I know you meant emboldened and you took the words right out of my mouth. Frankly, I was shocked at this verdict. Asked my husband if there was any public office building he’d like to go occupy? He was like, What? When I told him the verdict, he was shocked too. What kind of precedent does this set?

    Yeah, Bundy is being tried in Nevada for the same type of thing, I think. As far as his attorney becoming unruly and being tazed, seems like what we would expect from a City that calls in the swat team on robust city council meeting? Golly, this world is just full of surprises. Take nothing for granted. My new mantra.

  47. Rose says:

    here ya go Blink:
    trial processalready underway in NV, and Bundys had been transferred before.
    Here’s why it happened. It wasFEDERAL Marshalls continuing tge Federal Govt’s custody. The Bundys and their associates, including this attorney, do not believe in the Federal Gov’t or their Agencies, including the US Marshalls.

    The Federal govt is making the same mistake in NV—trying multiple defendars with muktiple charges in one action before one jury, many of them rural. That was an issue with this jury–drawn from across the State including eastern & southern, and rural less educated populations. Problem lay at vour dire.

    Cant convince me the jury rediberated thru 30 pp of instructions, and went over all those defendants and their multiple charges, in 5 hours. Someone needs to put the jurors under oath about the last jury’s “deliberations.”

  48. A Texas Grandfather says:


    Kyron’s investigation IMO was deliberately misdirected by people at Skyline school to protect themselves with collusion from MCSO.

    Anyone that believes that LE did not know all the roads and private lanes within the area doesn’t know how patrols are run. A new patrol officer’s major job is to learn every road and trail within his or her assigned area. The problem in this case is the patrol officers were probably excluded during the beginning of the investigation.

    I am very surprised that none of the children realized that Kyron was missing when normal class routines were resumed. I would bet that many of his classmates saw his back pack and asked one another and perhaps a teacher about his absence.

    When there is a “nut case” in charge of something, then the results will be less than desirable.

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