Dr. Phil Show Hosts Missing Portland Child Kyron Horman’s Step Mom Terri Horman Over Two Episodes
I have been covering this case since Kyron Horman disappeared from Skyline School in June, 2010. Like most missing persons cases I have covered in the past, I am of the strong opinion that best efforts at the truth are the only way to propel investigations that, similarly to Kyron’s, have gone cold for one reason or another. This approach has worked in resolving some of my previous cases. I am proud of that. I remain steadfast to the integrity involved in those and future cases.
Over the past 10 months (or so) I have been developing an updated series on Kyron’s case to include my multiple interviews with Kyron’s step-mom, Terri Horman. Needless to say as she was the subject of at least three simultaneous cases before an Oregon court and remains a person of interest by the agency investigating her sons disappearance, this has been an arduous and sometimes delicate journey. Ms. Horman’s experiences during the ongoing investigation of the disappearance of Kyron Horman are critically important to propelling his case and with great hope- finding the truth about what happened to this cherubic and innocent child. There are dozens of sources, collateral interviews, forensic experts and legal analysts that also contribute to my series and have done so because of their belief that my motivation is to bring to light information and opinions in such a way that would almost “require” a focused review of Kyron’s case and the likely shaking of that proverbial tree everyone talks about.
Set to publish about 6-ish weeks ago I was asked to postpone the first installment of the series, which I did. I subsequently learned Ms. Horman was participating in the Dr. Phil program after she completed taping. Dr. Phils producers were well aware that Ms. Horman had interviewed with me extensively, and anticipated my series would be publishing information that was not known to the public previously in the days prior to her scheduled episode. When Ms. Horman conveyed to me that she feels obligated to speak out about “her son” in any national medium that will have her, I most certainly respected that. I still do.
While Dr. Phil seems like a gregarious fellow for sure, I have zero interest in being associated with his program, nor do I believe his shows content is designed to do any furtherance of investigation or truth. There is much concern (although I have no affiliation to the show whatsoever) that the timing of the publication of my series on the Kyron Horman matter might be interpreted differently or inadvertently contribute to the programs content or audience reactions. Not what I signed on for. A missing 7 year old boy six years running is not a framework for entertaining a target audience. He is not fodder for online social media bully campaigns- yet it occurs.
I will be publishing my series on Kyron’s case at a later date, in it’s entirety with no editing adjustments as a result of any of the appearances on Dr. Phil. I appreciate your patience and your understanding. Feel free to discuss the show below.
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@erose. I would have to revisit but iirc Anselmo’s last go round in court was after he reentered the country after being previously deported as a criminal. I think the argument was it was not an illegal reentry because statutory rape waa a lessor felony than the the level of felony he was deported for so the deportation itself was flawed.
Rudy coukd’ve manufactured his story because he was involved himself, or iirc TH wounded his machismo and there was a revenge element. He probably thought she pointed him out to LE anyway and so vengeance was his. I agree DEA, ICE promised him anything–he at least probably got a writing from mcso he was a cooperating witness in a felony which would stave off risk of deportation. He had his own lawyer iirc. It will be interesting if The Piece readdresses Rudy from TH’s point of view. He’s the only one the public knows of who had accosted her & at her home.
@Harley. I’d be as happy to see that as the next person.
The Supreme Court recently removed a major barrier to expedited deportation of those like Anselmo convicted of a State crime (statutory rape) so a Federal charge and conviction (illegal reentry) is not necessary:
https://www.google.com/amp/www.wsj.com/amp/articles/supreme-court-eases-deportation-for-immigrants-who-break-state-laws-1463692272?client=safari
On the other hand, it seems the way to ensure prompt deportation upon completion of sentence is to ensure Federal charges and a Federal prison so ICE gets smooth cooperation. Fortunately Anselmo’s Federal charge survived.
http://m.washingtontimes.com/news/2015/oct/11/illegal-immigrant-inmates-will-go-from-prison-to-d/
one of the enumerated statutory expedited deportation circumstances is a domestic violence conviction. Was Elsy Rudy’s wife? Could she have been subjected to DV and her disappearance with 2 kids have been his way of avoiding a charge?
yearly stats erose
http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2016/08/31/u-s-immigrant-deportations-declined-in-2014-but-remain-near-record-high/
imo the 2014ff decline was attributable to the impact of sequestration in 2013 on personnel and resources. after the 05/16 Supr Court decision, it will be far far easier to deport those with State offenses. Before it had to be listed in the Statute ie violation of a protection order. Too bad TH didn’t get a protection order on Rudy after the May incident. Then he could never have come to her home in the sting or he’d be deportable. I wonder why any mcso believed him.
Rose- I still cannot reconcile how Underhill has the ability to provide RSE with an immunity deal to include an agreement that would legally be in Federal territory.
I am of the opinion that had to have occurred before the gj testimony, but according to Engel, RSE was not represented at the time of his contact and subpoena- AND you recall the whole depo in perpetuity debacle ( never saw used before and since, btw). It is clear to me RSE did not implicate TH criminally- yet it was the jump off point for all to come, wasn’t it?
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revisiting Rudy. As Houze points out, his testimony was Kaine & mcso’s ONLY evidence
againt TH.
http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2013/12/post_389.html
Imo Kaine’s attorneys made a major legal error in deposing Rudy.
That opened him up to Houze. Kantor does not know the rudiments of trial conduct. He cannot
hear Rudy’s testimony during trial then rule the testimony is not evidence. Trier of fact (him) can’t
unring that bell. He cannot hear Rudy’s testimony and preclude cross.
Imo the person most benefitted by settlement was Kantor. I wish the
settlement had had a provision for change of Judge for implementation
phase.
Barring the interviews leading to O’Donnell’s “impressions” was unconstitutional, imo.
B
I see vwoolf commenting on a recent O story.
Maybe she’ll comment on Zusman’s self laudatory
fundraising editorial. Someone local shoukd ask him
why no stories on the DA? How come the DA doesn’t clear
“never a suspect” whose life his ADA at his direction worked to destroy
with mcso? An ADA wrote online “Mr Rod” personally
sent her to Skyline the week after the abduction
to work day and night with case detectives.
Rose
There is someone or perhaps more than one who wanted to “put a feather in their cap” by quickly solving the abduction of Kyron at Skyline.
What happened was LE and the District Attorney’s office picked a route off the track of evidence. Once started down that path of fools, they could not admit their mistake and to keep themselves from looking like beginners, they twisted everything to point to TH.
We just had a resolution of a case in Williamson County, Texas where a District Attorney wanted a new job as a judge. The DA withheld evidence in a case that placed a man into prison for twenty-five years for a crime he didn’t commit. The crooked DA will now serve time as he should for his use of power to harm an innocent person in order to feather his nest.
That to me should not just put him in prison, it should also be a death penalty crime.
Agree 100%. At what point though did Rudy get a lawyer?
Rose says:
November 18, 2016 at 4:53 am
To my knowledge just before his depo with Engel
B
So Terri Horman is finally breaking her silence and you have interviewed her, but got mad oversomething to do with Dr. Phil using her for his own personal tv ratings and so you are ‘holding’ her interview and not allowing her to talk on your web-site because you forgot how to spell hipocryte?
This is an open criminal investigation of a missing child, Sir.
B
@ATG. There were 2 feather seekers in June 2010: Underhill wanted to succeed Schrunk (Frink was out as a Republican) and his rival was the then as yet unsullied head of Criminal Div OR DOJ, S Riddell, who wanted the DA job. (The O article re Riddell’s 2011 removal mentioned the MCDA office’s bad cop bullying tactics served him poorly there.) The other was the ADA Underhill dispatched to Skyline to work night and day, she said, with detectives. She’d just gotten very bad press for her trial tactics in a murder case she lost. Kitz touted her Horman casework in her political apptmt announcement.
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@Blink. Didn’t Rudy get lîmited immunity as to the GJ testimony itself if it was truthful? DA couldn’t impact his immigration status. What he cod do was forgo charging him with something for which Rudy knew he had ample evidence to secure a conviction that would ensure expedited deportation even in a sanctuary State. If Elsy and the childre were his, perhaps this charge was hanging over his head back when tbey disappeared and they were fleeing the prospect of deportation. Prior to the Supr Crt decision in 2016, this had to be a crime in the Immigration statute such as 2nd degree rape (here’s Anselmo’s history
https://casetext.com/case/us-v-sanchez-sanchez-4), or a DV conviction, or violation of a protection order or certain drug convictions (anabolic steroids are on that list https://www.deadiversion.usdoj.gov/21cfr/21usc/802.htm ).
So maybe Rudy had a written agreement he would not be charged for X crime, for whose conviction he would get deportation without a hearing or right of appeal. After the GJ he had to stick to his story. His depo attorney and Engel were on thin ice. Surely on some level they opened themselves to a charge of knowingly participating in perjured testimony. Interesting how Rod used them to build a firewall around himself.
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I am a skeptic. I think a neighbor or gym mate in whom TH confided probably let it slip to Kaine that Rudy was her yardworker. Rudy had a willingness to ensnare her once, why not twice, for consideration from a husband having an affair, using steroids, and building his custody/divorce case. Rudy’s testimony “She kissed me while holding the baby” would be devastating”
“She wanted him dead.” and so on. That’s the most likely explanation for why he’d risk his usinesss reputation by randomly asdaulting a housewife. Just like the later entrapment scheme with Cook.
Technically speaking, I guess a great deal of what actually happened with RSE is going to be based on who knew his immigration status and when, and of course how that information affected any legal agreements. Being in the country illegally is a pending criminal issue in the first place and it does not necessarily matter how it is brought to light. I am going to have to research the issue further Rose- Immigration law and its criminal prosecution impacts at the State level is def not my strong suit.
B
With “aggressive relentless” det Levi running mcso’s part in the OVERT grant (domestic violence, targeting hispanics imo), is there any possibility Rudy had a DV charge earlier in 2010 that the DA made go away prior to trial without a final disposition? trial and conviction wouldve ensured expedited deportation. Maybe the family “witness” was sent into hiding in May? any way to find that out?
Blink article on Anselmo here
http://blinkoncrime.com/2010/09/09/kyron-horman-missing-case-review-and-birthday-wishes-to-the-frog-prince/comment-page-15/
rudy court record
http://www.courtrecords.org/people/RODOLFO+SANCHEZ-ESTRADA+OR/
http://www.oregonlaws.org/ors/816.360
“Riddell often played the intimidating bad cop. But the tactics that served him well handling street crime cases while with the Multnomah County District Attorneys office drew complaints of due process violations and bullying behavior while with the Justice Department.”
by Jeff Manning, O, 2011
http://www.oregonlive.com/politics/index.ssf/2011/06/chief_counsel_sean_riddell_res.html
If the O knows these are reputedly routine ethical violations and practice behaviors in mcda in 2011, outside the norm for attorneys in the OR DOJ, why didn’t any O reporter apply that knowledge to skepticism re Horman’s treatment by mcda?
I noticed yesterday the most frequent O writer on the case in June- July 2010, N Crombie, has had the O’s
marijuana beat, and is the O expert on, marijuana in all its Oregon facets. What a career achievement imo.
Maybe she needed a feather too in 2010.
Budnik article Aug 18 on or after Reese’ swearing in:
http://portlandtribune.com/pt/9-news/318909-198081-sheriff-dan-statons-erratic-behavior-paralyzed-offices-operations-documents-say
The FOIA’d and provided interview notes of MCSO top personnel during a County investigation
analoguze to interview of top PPS personnel during the Horman case or of actual LE officers
during the Hirman civil divorce. Kafoury was replicating Ellen R AG’s investigation of Staton and taking it further. These investigation interviews of LE personnel coukd have bern used fir criminal charges against Staton. Interviewing stopped only when Staton announced retirement. This is a FOIA of govt records Shrunk would have denied in a heartbeat, and Rod woukd’ve denied ordinarily, like Horman and PPS /MCSO governmental activities. Imo by analogy it’s fair game to get written records (incl texts and emails) of who in govt said what to whom between the Mayor, the Governors Office, the State AG Office (we know her unethical chief investigator had to be fired and Crim Div head demoted on another matter), PPS, PPB, , and MCSO and DEA that fell outside the boundaries of direct investigations of specific functional persons of interest.
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My takeaway:
Staton acknowledged being on heavy pain meds over time.
Imo that itself coukd’ve been a private DA investigation with the goal
being of resignation and a diversion rehab program to help
Staton rather than a public AG letter.
Ott HR said his behavioral troubles dated back “for the last six years,” That would
be June or July 2010.
“She said it “feels like he feeds on the reaction, watching people squirm.”” That would be like Terri.
“Staton exhibited an “I hate you-I love you” pattern, including with union leaders.”
Union leader of Patrol refers to Herron durkng the Horman case period.
I also infer Mr Rod was unusually close to Kafoury in this period Feb-Aug 2016. Also, since Reese had already talked the preceding winter to folks, inclulding Staton, about going for the Sheriff job when Staton was done, he’d talked to Mr Rod; and Mr Rod wanted to see him in the Sheriff job without delay.
Interesting career for Budnik. In 2002 writes for WW. Then he went to O. Now Tribune, where it’s my impression reporters have more freedom to report on govt. In 2002 he featured a case critical of an imo corrupt PPB and a dysfunctional DA’s office wherein the DA did a PPB exboyfriend/administrator’s trial bidding (despite Constitutional violation wrt evidence) wrt the officer while keeping a coke using ADA on board.
http://www.shouze.com/display-cases.asp?artID=8
Investigation notes were released Aug 15
http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2016/08/outgoing_sheriff_dan_staton.html#comments
1st comment by quitam is interesting:
Opinion of Ott was shared by her former supervisor when Staton gave Ott that position.
Explains why Moore is not on Reese’s personnel chart.
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The settlement with Yankee where iirc she kept the Chief Deputy usiness slot thru early 2017, necessitating Lindstrand’s demotion back to Corrections was probably got around by Reese by converting that position from Chief Deputy to Chief and making it a Civilian position. That way he coukd fill it immediately with someone having a business skill set.
Just dropping in to see if anything is new. Adding my two cents worth on the Stoller school faculty “mug shots”. Absolutely thoughtless on their parts. Good grief, who in the heck is running our schools? Not one of them was bright enough to perhaps mention this was not such a good idea, after LS was arrested and convicted for child-porn? Sheesh!
Blink are you any nearer in The Piece to identifying SZ?
All we know is Kyron was requested to leave the interior
by SZ and given permission by the room teacher who had
never been his teacher.
No Rose, unfortunately I do not believe his ID is known to date- at least based on all of my investigation.
B
Is Logan Storm in jail at this time??
yes
B
Well, that ought to scare both Hormans and Skyline.
Terri did the right thing by going to CA.
And Kaine moved in and put k in the care of
virtual strangers and put his faith in gun training at least one
resident teen (she said).
from reading Anselmo’s case and the statute alone, which plenty of tom dick and harry lawyers interpret on line, otherwise I know zero, but my understanding is that it is illegal ** REentry **after a just deportation that is the Federal crime. Mere illegal entry in the first place. is not a crime and all sorts of administrative due process attaches prior to being able to deport someone. ICE can avoid that due proces and expedite deportation only in certain circumstances listed in the statute, and then lical sheriffs must cooperate and hold the subject. Most Sheriffs don’t want to spend the $ to hold illegals and don’t cooperate with ICE under highflying political correctness, but imo it is money. If ICE paid them well, they’d hold them. So it is only Illegals in Federal prisons who are realistically on the time has been served ship em out train. To ensure mass deportations, Congress will have to pass a new immigration statute. I bet Ryan-is as likely to do that as to appropriate a dime for a real wall which he said last week is not a priority. Ruan comes from the Canadian border and has no political incentive.
@Fred.
Terri H broke her silence almost a year ago in what she deemed two limited appropriate forums beginning with the People interview which sent Desiree, Kaine, and Desiree’s self-appointed “volunteer with the family” Stacey into hizzy fits — because before that Fake Facebook News which gullible strangers read and believed, and untruths in Oregon media, had dominated for five years. While many of us think Dr Phil was a high risk forum unlikely to advance an investigation, I think Blink and all of us supported Terri’s right to exercise her judgement (unlike a certain misogynist’s historical opinions of her when he himself did the same thing) and wished her well.
Her restraint over 5 years of persecution led by both bios attests to her grounding in a way any site like Blink’s never could. I am glad she trusts Blink’s judgment and timing as they share a common goal which is not to exhonerate Terri but to find Kyron.
Only the DA can make a statement that exhonerates her. That he refuses to do so says corruption is as present in the DA’s office now as it was in 2002 when Budnik wrote about two other examples, despite the DA wife’s job in “ethics.” Ethics also takes leadership and political courage. Neither were shown in the method the DA chose to rid the County of Staton once politically courageous Riddell and Yankee ripped away the covers. He grandstanded with Kafoury.
He put in the window dressing of a job position to review cases for certain types of ethical problems, but imo that’s all it is.
The benefit of this site is no fake news is permitted. and no one here is gullible. Over 6 years Blink has interviewed so many, and sought corroborations, and many of those interviewees and sources have been closely held by her by agreement or her case judgment. Others such as Spicher have agreed to be quoted and identified directly. Terri has been treated equally as any other background source, and I have no doubt she understood her interviews woukd be used publically only insofar as the content would advance the investigation. Remarkably, unlike Kaine and Desiree and Desiree’s hanger ons, Terri has engaged in no grandstanding or self promotion of her interests and ideas in the media. That speaks to her character and her sharing of our common goal of advancing the investigation of who took Kyron away from Skyline school.
My sincere appreciation for your perspective and candor Rose.
B
Due to Budnik’s 2002 willingness to expose corrupt case litigation by PPB personnel and the DA, and his move to a more hospitable paper than O snd WW for that task, I looked at his Twitter. Consistent with other 30-40 yo male reporters, he too seems to have a fondness now for Kurt Eichenwald and David Fahrentold’s Twitter method of investigatory journalism (yes, I adore them).
He called for tips, and told a potential tipster to DM him. Imo any cold call tipster in this case would be a nutjob crank. But one wishes he’d foia the types of govt communications relating to the abduction listed above by me as examples, especially PPS’ to start, ie involving those out of favor & gone like Carol and Jolene.
If Budnik can get a a set of County HR interviews of the entire group of MCSO leadsrship, which could have implicated criminal behavior, he can get anything. (If the State AG or DA had handled the Staton case appropriately, imo those mcso employee interviews would have been under oath.) Fahrenthold’s method was to do a lot of primary research then he twitter crowd-sourced details for tips, ie, the Foundation bought X painting, or X football, can anyone in America find it? And they did. So Budnik could get a set of data by FOIA on the abduction investigation then advance it by twitter by advertising for very specific tips to fill in identifiable gaps.
It is a very big IF when one takes on the criminal justice system in the State of Oregon. It is rotten to its core in the State system and large cities. Too many insiders protecting themselves and others in the system to provide proper services to the public.
more on budnik
went to Trib in 12/16. google blurb (page gone):
“Many of The Oregonian’s Top Staffers Have Applied for Buyouts – Willamette Week
Willamette Week › 2015/12/09 › many-…Dec 9, 2015 – Investigative reporter Nick Budnick, who was not eligible for the buyout, left the paper last week to rejoin the Portland Tribune. The Oregonian …”
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and his 4/11 joining of O:
https://www.blueoregon.com/news/3757/
Interesting he had been a WW “cops” reporter.
just like Pitkin.
Why does WW axe 30-40 something white male Successful “cops” investigative reporters?
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I suppose with a slovic wife and presumeably family he’ll excavate current mcda/mcso ethics issues.
So much for local courageous Twitter journalism fantasies on my part.
that’s “DON’T” suppose re budnik and courageous reporting
I do not think Jacquiss’ revelations on Staton
were courageous.
imo he was a Tool.
@Blink. imo unbeknownst to us,
Rudy more likely than not had a State
charge with enough evidence to convict
for a State crime on the immigration statute list.
Which DA Shrunk waived prosecution of – quid pro quo.
One has to ask why a man with (Rudy says) real evidence against
Terri as a disaffected, divorcing wife, hating her husband and son,
and most likely was the latter’s abducteess, had to be “found” by LE based
on Terri’s own steering, and given any immigration-related consideration for his testimony.
Is this how it also is in almost all states?
Is there any one place where a person can actually find justice??
@A Texas Grandfather says: November 21, 2016 at 5:55 pm
It is a very big IF when one takes on the criminal justice system in the State of Oregon.
I left out the “not” wrt whether Budnik might
excavate Mcda/ppb corruption issues now,
having O’s Slovic as wife, and presumeably young kids.
It is interesting how Meeker let go at least 2 Pulitzer potential
young male reporters.
Soldier is on a new Terri tear (def = reckless and excited” accusations).
My concern is the WS FB Admin’s daily focus is 50% on K’s bedtimes (daily good nights),
often with pj pics. a fetish imo.
For anyone with more energy than I do now.
Before Briede “sold out” his interest in his own Edge, press puffed he helped a longtime lead employee open a namesake gym in was it Wilsonville? Said facility was very delayed in opening. big time delayed. Suppliers and subcontractors were blamed but imo could have bern payment issues. Eventually after Briede’s Edge sale, the gym got equipment and opened.
my memory is briede had some residual financial interest and works out of there.
When I went to their site 2 months or so ago, programs for children’s classes features
and advertisements were prominent. .
1) what is Briede doing professionally nowadays?
2) what classes exist with prepubescent males
in that nonsold Exge?
My impression now is that Rudy may not have come forward with any information, if he had it, because he didn’t know if he would be deported. Being questioned, day 1, TH alerted LE to Rudy, and doubtful if she would have done that if she had hired him to kill KH. So an unrepresented Rudy is confronted by LE with a story that he made advances on a woman, holding a baby and she rejected him, and did he do something to her son. How much of the story came from Rudy, trying perhaps to explain his actions, or her accusations, and how much of it came by suggestion thru LE, who believed she was guilty, is debatable. But there was a GJ and they did not indict TH.
erose says:
November 18, 2016 at 3:50 pm
Agree 100%. At what point though did Rudy get a lawyer?
Rose says:
November 18, 2016 at 4:53 am
To my knowledge just before his depo with Engel
B
How verklempt do you think O’Donnell was when TMH called 911 with RSE parked out front? I can’t think of a single case where a sting results in a 911 call against a sting-ee.
B
Rose
Kudos for your reply to Fred. It is beautifully and truthfully written.
As most of us know from visiting other sites on the web, news and other types, this site is the gold standard for all that you expressed.
ODonnell was thiroughly discredited in the Guisto investigation transcript, which
reflected his colleagues knew he had emotional-behavioral problems 2-3 yrs before. So the question is what investigations supervisor put hom line level on this investigation acter CAT booted him, and has Reese got that 2010 ODonnell investigation supervisor in a current position of authority? I speculate kafvre assigned him, but only Ott HR knows imo.
@ Red Rose says:
November 22, 2016 at 12:33 am
any one party State which engages in gerrymandering.
and with owner- complicit media.
Red Rose
Quality criminal justice systems are produced in a community,county or state by political competition. Where the people have an opportunity to make a choice. There are many places where that is not happening.
ot
http://www.wweek.com/news/schools/2016/11/23/pps-extends-general-counsel-job-to-attorney-who-pled-no-contest-to-violating-florida-records-law/
Are there no education law specialists in Oregon willing to take a substantial pay cut from
private litigation firm fees to benefit the public school system?
Terri was right RSE was dangerous;
she didn’t know mcso had hopped in his bed.
One of the travesties of this case is an illegal
immigrant is conducting his business freely courtesy of Rod
Underhill DA and his protegee — Kate Brown’s
Public Safety political appointee — with a big salary.
And Oregon media has no interest. this March
Righteousness is misplaced imo.
That 911 call TH made post-sting reaffirmed her prior depiction of the relationship, that Rudy was someone she felt she needed to be protected from. When you think about her perspective; believing Rudy and some strange guy at her door demanding money, just after an apparent insinuation by MCSO that they didn’t trust her story hence the poly, and yet she had no choice but to trust them. She was probably verklempt in her own right. Too bad the brakes didn’t go on that night, followed by a right turn.
For me, this version of events was in the top tier of “compelling information” from a witness (defacto suspect) I have ever interviewed. TMH had no knowledge of my sources and veracity of that intel prior to us covering the topic and does not to this day.
B
Happy Thanksgiving to you and yours.
And to you and yours Terri.
B
Happy Thanksgiving. May your life be as full as your belly.
Happy belated Thanksgiving to you and yours, and all BOC readers and contributors.
Blessings.
B
http://www.wweek.com/news/schools/2016/11/23/portland-public-schools-fights-over-a-manager-who-manages-no-one/
posted for Sordyl’s comment: her “nobody was held accountable” list.
maybe a local parent could tell her she’d get attention if she added to her litany:
no one was held accountable for the abduction of a 7 yo boy by an
unknown male from a classroom with a teacher’s permission.
Did Bobby O’D play a planning role in the sting?
or a planning role in the investigation?
He seems too much of a patrol footsoldier to
carry that responsibility in a major case.
was he just a wannabe who chatted up Kaine sharing
his “gut instincts” on the side?
gosh darn. kantor called him “the lead investigator.”
https://www.google.com/amp/koin.com/2013/09/16/judge-terri-hormans-lawyers-cannot-question-investigator/amp/?client=safari
imo I bet whatever attorney or ADA submitted a writing or stated to Kantor that
O’D was The Lead Investigator who then Kantor
apparently believed was in charge of the investigation
misrepresented who was actually Lead and therefore
supervising other investigators. O’D never supervised other deputies.
This ruse must’ve come from the DA’s office imo.
I believe Rees referred to him similarly, iirc.
B
the last thing one needs is another kyron blog ut i just stumbled on this due to the bus schedule.
https://m.reddit.com/r/UnresolvedMysteries/comments/5a4vtm/the_kyron_horman_case_part_1/
goodness knows who smokinoakie is, but this seems a compendium of media, blogs, Terri’s recent disclosures (and beyond). There are nonpublished alleged Terri-originating details, but they could be confabulated. I like the screenshot of Rudi’s depo reciting he and his translator wuibbled about words. She was upperclass sephardic jewish from Spain and he was lower class from Mexico. duh. Another black mark on Rackner case mgmt if this redditer has truth is Kaine was informed during the Sting at mcso hdqtrs of her Evil Plot and escorted by police officers to his home to retrieve his and k’s possessions and take an acrimonious departure. That rings true for divorcee O’D's being a planner due to his 5 year CAT service doubtless doing the same on some DV child in jeopardy cases. Now the black mark on Rackner is based on her filings for Kaine with Meisenheimer, she was in Shotgun defense and offense ready to go, recruited by an ADA or deputy to represent Kaine before he ever knew he needed representation. wrt to Rackner–who was the client? and was she preselected for kaine by an ada or mcso. if so, not ethical of Rackner that he did not locate and retain his own divorce lawyer.
I have not logged into reddit or looked for followup parts referred to.
this was apparently published 25 days ago.
Well I read Part 2 only part way as I felt it was a waste of time. imo a soldier
who is great at embroidery. No real hx on reddit except she posted something about a storm in Moore, OK. I don’t see how a stranger across the country from Oregon knows anything factual first hand from primary investigation. Sorry I posted Part 1.
@erose. wrt “…Rudy was someone she felt she needed to be protected from…” That she felt she coukd not confide that in her husband in May, and receive dupport, or after the Sting, is very telling about his character and spousal attitude. He did not protect her in 2016. One can extrapolate from that to other family members. He protected himself.
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Best wishes to TH as well. And I’ve been thinking about poor Desiree.
Can’t help noticing how our Rose presses Ms. B for much anticipated “Piece”…kudos to both
She humbles me regularly, lol.
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