Dr. Phil Show Hosts Missing Portland Child Kyron Horman’s Step Mom Terri Horman Over Two Episodes

I have been covering this case since Kyron Horman disappeared from Skyline School in June, 2010.    Like most missing persons cases I have covered in the past,  I am of the strong opinion that best efforts at the truth are the only way to propel investigations that, similarly to Kyron’s, have gone cold for one reason or another.   This approach has worked in resolving some of my previous cases.    I am proud of that.  I remain steadfast to the integrity involved in those and future cases.

Over the past 10 months (or so) I have been developing an updated series on Kyron’s case to include my multiple interviews with Kyron’s step-mom,  Terri Horman.   Needless to say as she was the subject of at least three simultaneous cases before an Oregon court and remains a person of interest by the agency investigating her sons disappearance, this has been an arduous and sometimes delicate journey.    Ms. Horman’s experiences during the ongoing investigation of the disappearance of Kyron Horman are critically important to propelling his case and with great hope- finding the truth about what happened to this cherubic and innocent child.    There are dozens of sources,  collateral interviews, forensic experts and legal analysts that also contribute to my series and have done so because of their belief that my motivation is to bring to light information and opinions in such a way that would almost “require” a focused review of Kyron’s case and the likely shaking of that proverbial tree everyone talks about.

Set to publish about 6-ish weeks ago I was asked to postpone the first installment of the series, which I did.  I subsequently learned Ms. Horman was participating in the Dr. Phil program after she completed taping.  Dr. Phils producers were well aware that Ms. Horman had interviewed with me extensively, and anticipated my series would be publishing information that was not known to the public previously in the days prior to her scheduled episode.    When Ms. Horman conveyed to me that she feels obligated to speak out about “her son” in any national medium that will have her,   I most certainly respected that.  I still do.

While Dr. Phil seems like a gregarious fellow for sure,   I have zero interest in being associated with his program, nor do I believe his shows content is designed to do any furtherance of investigation or truth.  There is much concern (although I have no affiliation to the show whatsoever) that the timing of the publication of my series on the Kyron Horman matter might be interpreted differently or inadvertently contribute to the programs content or audience reactions.     Not what I signed on for.   A missing 7 year old boy six years running is not a framework for entertaining a target audience.   He is not fodder for online social media bully campaigns- yet it occurs.

I will be publishing my series on Kyron’s case at a later date, in it’s entirety with no editing adjustments as a result of any of the appearances on Dr. Phil.   I appreciate your patience and your understanding.   Feel free to discuss the show below.

 

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  1. Rose says:

    I guess if I were collqually call a stranger having BPD features, I’d lit on Soldier.
    What does that make the family for whom she volunteers as their media mouthpiece?

  2. Rose says:

    Her attorney has to ask for a continuance now on the gun thing and show up on the RO prepared without fail.
    It is vital to disprove the allegations of the RO FIRST before there is any hearing on the gun charge. Otherwise if the RO is founded it is evidence of biolent tendencies.
    The more I look at this, the more imo it was cagily planned by a person with an
    excellent kniwledge of CA charges and laws.

    Yes ma’am. Same hearing day even. If memory serves, there was a docket in Yuba on 11/27/16- the day before the RO was filed.
    B

  3. thatkewlgirl says:

    @ Blink

    “tkg- I edited you for obvious reasons.
    B”

    You should have seen the editing I did before hitting ‘submit comment’.. LOL

    I can imagine :)
    B

  4. thatkewlgirl says:

    @ Rose says:
    December 9, 2016 at 4:56 pm
    why did you wait so long Mr Cristobal, the questioning would go?

    ————————

    Who would willingly come forward, knowing the social media attacks that would ensue?

    (edited by blink) TKG- one sided commentary is not going to occur here please.
    B

  5. A Texas Grandfather says:

    Registered mail requires a signature to pick it up at a Post Office. The sender may include a return receipt that is signed.

    With the advent of the internet, the postal service is currently keeping track of packages and the delivery of certified and registered mail.

    If TH did not receive the registered mail, the service failed and there should be no non-appearance charge or penalty associated with it. If the Post Office allowed someone other than the addressee to pick up and sign for the notification, that persons name should be available.

  6. Rose says:

    let it not escape our notice the filing of the RO was tumed to the day such that (with the RO clock ticking)
    that hearing was guaranteed to be the same day as the gun hrg in another county?
    imo that was orchestrated. Is Richards up to defending against possiblenefarious activities on the part of complaintants and possible coaches?

  7. Rose says:

    ATG. I don’t mean to @ you as a reply but merely to riff off your observation of: “Suggestion to TH: Leave the guys alone for a while. Your choices are getting you in trouble.”

    While I think it more likely than not, we cannot surmise the RM reporting “gun theft” is male. And, the only reason to think JCristobal is a sexual partner is her social history and his use of the term domestic partner, which we know does not comport with CA law and is slang imo.

    At the risk of one sided commentary, I want to opine that we cannot know what the homeless, moneyless, jobless TH is experiencing on the margins of society generally, but I have two cues personally, one from my profession and one from my life.

    Professionally for 8 years I assisted persons typical of TH assisting them in obtaining housing, such that I won cash awards and prestigious committee placements. Let me say from the work experience finding housing for others with little income: l) persons offering a “room” for rent are generally themselves those with social and familial problems and are marginally financially functioning. 2) shared housing with similarly situated folks generally has again marginally adjusted people who may be troublesome, troublemakers, or fail with their own needs for jobs, housing, or social adjustment. In fact, the socially adjusted are rare or they would not be there. From personal experience moving to an urban area tho highly educated without a dime, I remember l) an immigrant rapacious “landlord” in a personal home renting “the basement” with a 2 hour two bus and a metro commute to an entry level nonliving wage job. When the car lost the master cylinder and hit a ditch, or I was on the floor dizzy from botulism for 24 hrs, no one to help. then the rapacious landlord a newly married very rich couple from my church taking top dollar on my new job with no furniture even blinds or curtains. again over an hour commute. 3) or the urban shared 3 room apt with in the front room a lesbian (I didn’t know what that was then) displaying herself in a dangerous neighborhood at night lights on such that a juvenile offender stormed her window by night or in the other bedroom the male entertained females continuously. (That is why I think male roommate should not automatically be attributed to her, altho he said he was a DP and he probably was a “partner” loosely). My point is women, even those with a new ostensibly “good” job in need of housing can fall in with all kinds of greedy people whether church goers, alternative lifestyles, or just stupid people. As long as the bio parents of Kyron torment the woman who raised him daily and foment violent people on social media against her, and interfere with her livelihood and housing, she will always be going hand to mouth, and one does not meet “regular” people that way.

    I feel she should have stayed in her parents’ home and gone for job retaining and worked with Dept of Voc Rehab and tried for some govt job unless her father asked her to leave town to give an ill elderly mother peace. And I don’t see her father that way. Children can be way too susceptible to peer “support.” she does not need peer support but should seize parent support and Houze’ wise counsel at every turn. I felt she stayed on track when she was under Houze’ influence.

  8. Rose says:

    @TKG. wrt “the social media attacks
    Who cares about “trailor trash”?
    She can just get rid of her social media, which she has.
    J Cristobal is not big on social media either it seems.
    Imo more in his with VIGOR defend the RO first, 2) then defend the gun charge, 3) get office clerical certifications, 4) get a protected job, and 5) probably live in provincial Roseburg as opposed to an urban setting.
    At least she has high school compatriots there. 6) avoid anyone with their own financial and social issues of any kind. 7) forget the caregiving stuff until she is financially independent with a large bank account. 8) avoid anyone who suggests her heart should be a caregiver for her sole source of remuneration.

  9. Rose says:

    does anyone really see social media attacks on cristobal for filing for an RO (coming forward as it were)? Imo he will be hailed as a hero by the FBs of Soldier and Greear. by Desiree. Social media not a deterrant to any RM accusing her of anything at all however minute.

  10. Rose says:

    blink, in all your case coverages, and work with diverse bereft parents, have you ever seen anything like these two?

    No. Most especially considering Kyron’s age.
    B

  11. erose says:

    Rose, Roommate is male, unless pronouns are incorrect. Is RM also domestic partner? Or maybe DP and TH had a roommate.

    snip>

    Horman’s roommate reported in August of 2015 that he believed she had stolen a gun from his gun safe.

    http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2016/12/terri_horman_to_appear_in_cali.html

  12. erose says:

    @TKG, Karma for what?

    thatkewlgirl says:
    December 9, 2016 at 12:32 pm

    snip>

    and apparently karma is catching up with her now. I don’t think it’s over with these two upcoming cases either.

    Thats my fault for editing. TKG has some issues with Terri she is referring to I have not allowed her to post because I do not believe in the one sided dirty laundry site- nor is it remotely relevant to Kyron’s disappearance. I would add that regardless, TKG is adamant she believes TH has no involvement in Kyron’s disappearance.
    B

  13. erose says:

    Phone interview with Cristobal. Allegedly, threatened by him talking to LE.

    snip>

    “She was trying to put a knife – a kitchen knife to my face and then she was telling me that if I talked to law enforcement that something is going to happen to me or my family,” explained Cristobal.

    http://www.kxl.com/kyron-hormans-stepmother-accuse-domestic-violence/

  14. erose says:

    You’re right Blink, you know me. Several reasons for burner phones; crime, buying/selling, dating, online purchases, and being famous. Is the element of her life we are missing tied to these burner phones somehow.

    Are burners just for crime?

    While burner phones became notorious for criminal use, there are actually several practical reasons to use a number for a limited amount of time instead2 of using your permanent phone number.
    Say you’re buying or selling something on Craigslist or another classifieds site. It might be safer to use a disposable number that you can terminate after the transaction instead of your personal number. This can save you from unwanted texts and calls from strangers, especially if you choose another buyer/seller.

    A disposable number is also handy for dating. Sometimes, you’re just not quite sure things are going to work out. If you’re worried about a prospect getting too attached after you’ve politely declined, a temporary number can you save you the hassle and headache of blocking someone from your phone and worrying if they have your number memorized.

    Are you seeing a theme here? All in all, burners are great for privacy. Use them for online purchases and subscriptions to avoid telemarketers and unwanted text ads. Or, use one for a business phone. This way, your coworkers have a specific number to reach you, while friends and family have another. Burners can also be useful for keeping journalists and hackers from leaking details of your private events… like your wedding. Because if you’re as famous as George Clooney, you worry about things like that.

    https://www.puretalkusa.com/blog/what-is-a-burner-phone/

    As another example- burner phones (not we refer to them as but..) are very common in litigation. Probably all areas of law. Journalism.. especially when accessing private sources or sources speaking on condition of anonymity. Since I am aware that MCSO was still accessing TH phone records I also have no doubt she was advised through counsel for use as well. I personally have no issues with the “burner” phone. I was asked to turn off my iwatch in a proceeding 2 weeks ago where cell phones were not permitted ftlog, lol.
    B

  15. cd says:

    erose says:
    December 10, 2016 at 12:06 am
    Phone interview with Cristobal. Allegedly, threatened by him talking to LE.

    snip>

    “She was trying to put a knife – a kitchen knife to my face and then she was telling me that if I talked to law enforcement that something is going to happen to me or my family,” explained Cristobal.

    http://www.kxl.com/kyron-hormans-stepmother-accuse-domestic-violence/
    —————
    What is trying to put a kitchen knife to my face either she put a knife to his face or she did not.

    Talked to Law Enforcement about what? Weird thing to say on this guys part. It would be interesting to know when (the date) TH supposedly threatened this guy.

    If TH needs to show up for both hearings at the same time and if she does not show up for the RO then won’t this guy automatically get a RO against her.

    Yes, if she does not show it is likely the TRO would be granted, but not automatically. I have not had time to look up statute on this, but it looks like if it was filed on Monday Nov 28th, the 2 week automatic grant would put that hearing on 12/12, not 12/16. I have not seen anyone reference her in court on that matter, so my guess is she was not served in time to defend it OR through victims advocacy she got an emergency TRO. There are no charges pending against her for his allegations which means the statute does not allow an automatic filing or grant. If this individual works with her a TRO would apply to the employer location potentially as well.

    I need to correct my dates from a previous post- the last docket annotation for the Yuba matter was Nov 17th, (status) not November 27 .

    Am I missing an audible recording of this complainant? I have only seen quotes.
    B

  16. Rose says:

    having such a distinguished tenure in Portland, perhaps Kyle wants to ride this breaking news story into a Calif media market job.

    How did Kyle get the name, phone number, and the Fearful One actually on the phonetalking to his media public?
    Brilliant reporting, or a gobetween with a prior phone chatty relationship of some sort with Terri’s DP?

  17. Rose says:

    kxl has the same story as kgw
    because kxl is the fm radio channel
    of the same company as kgw tv it seems.

  18. Rose says:

    clear why he was familiar with the DP term in connection with a TRO:
    Not defined the way the CA DP legal status statute does.
    https://www.saccourt.ca.gov/restraining-orders/domestic-violence.aspx
    Classes and aid to complete forms
    Spanish interpretor MWF.
    His was a Monday.

  19. Mom3.0 says:

    thank you to all who got the dates/info straight
    I had been relying on earlier vid reports only and missed the obvious.

    @ Rose says:
    December 9, 2016 at 5:02 pm

    Its very possible yr inferences are correct-
    BUT Remember,this took place B4 the election

    The point you made regarding language makes total sense and is likely the issue
    Still quirks could be attributed to nervousness, or because of writing/editing mistakes
    take for instance in the below title:

    Kyron Horman’s Stepmother Accuse Of Domestic Violence

    http://www.kxl.com/kyron-hormans-stepmother-accuse-domestic-violence/

    With the latest stories I find myself making comparisons to Jodi Arias’ case- not the killing itself, but to the run up to it
    perhaps it is because its the last time I heard Alanis’ Isnt ironic/// or the last time I contemplated issues like Borderline/bipolar

    In my effort to explain or understand Terris mindset/actions- getting gun – for JUST IN CASE protection grab knife in fear? Im asking myself if I gave enough understanding to Jodi- or if Im giving too much to Terri

    One things for certain IDK anything & I would like to hear all sides in court

  20. Rose says:

    In a he said she said a judge will be cautious and stick with it imo.
    and he can add the RO against firearm possession. only defense is an
    ability to show under oath his (prior to the RO) contacts with anyone who coached him to file,
    ie a bio or a friend of either. Let’s face it, Cristobal did not feel threatened enough to make an incident report.
    Pretty rare to file for an RO with no police report of a singke incident and no actual harm imo.
    —–
    I don’t get why this man bothered to file since she had moved out and his “threat” in the kitchen was gone unless someone like Desiree scared him to death and convinced him to file to ensure Terri would lose her job in a common workplace. Terri’s behavioral pattern us she always leaves the relationship or site. She has no history of fightkng or attacking in any relationship. Or Ecker and Tarver woukd’ve told the press and Kaine woukd’ve had it in his divorce pleadings. I think the coached goal is job loss.

  21. Rose says:

    just read back.
    you picked up on the job loss motive Blink.

  22. Rose says:

    @Blink. no JC voice.
    In this, Kyle’s primary story, first he elaborates the incident in JC’s words but it sounds to me like he’s quoting the RO words. At the end he says he’s spoken by phone to JC directly who told him he’d been in touch by phone with both CA and Oregon police. So one guess who coached him thru that RO–whoever he called at mcso.

    Rod better rein those mcso troops in again.
    —–
    It sounds like her cohabitor learned of her role in the case, drank the Soldier koolaid, and told TH he was calling CA and OR police to inform them of her whereabouts and employment. If he told her he was doing that in the kitchen, and she was chopping onions, what’d he expect? He cited no police report in the RO application. So imo his announcement he was gonna call OR LE out of whatever misguided impukse for whatever purpose apparently provoked her reaction. These rehab jobs she choses guarantees her work associates will be uneducated (and maybe desirous of $ from talk show interviews).

    OK… Thank you for the links. The quotes are allegedly direct from the petition- NOT to Kyle. His only offering was that Cristobal was in contact with OR police as well. I don’t have to wonder where Iboshi got his lead.
    B

  23. thatkewlgirl says:

    @ Rose says:
    December 9, 2016 at 9:52 pm

    I suggest online teaching. She put her son thru that system, knows it very well. She had her teachers cert until it lapsed after she left her parents abode, don’t think it would be that difficult to reinstate. I still think that could be a viable option for her. But just my humble suggestion/opinion.

  24. Rose says:

    worth a review, along with part 2
    http://blinkoncrime.com/2013/09/04/blink-on-crime-kyron-horman-investigation-exclusive-terri-horman-friend-dede-spicher-breaks-her-silence-after-passing-polygraph-requests-da-clear-her-publicly/
    Stellar investigators (aka keystone kops) Herron and Krafve, outside the presence of her attorney, solicit the now indisputably innocent DeDe to “sting” Terri. Their methods seem unchanging. Undoubtedly they leapt at use of Cristobal for a “sting” Maybe he has an immigration problem like Rudy he wants to solve. I wish anyone other than Ssimming With Sharks Krafve had been in charge of Detectives the last 5 years. My guess Kaine and Cristobal and Desiree all parrotting I dont know what she’s capable of were fed the phrase by their mcso contact.

  25. T. Ruth says:

    @cd says:
    December 10, 2016 at 12:47 am

    “She was trying to put a knife – a kitchen knife to my face and then she was telling me that if I talked to law enforcement that something is going to happen to me or my family,” explained Cristobal.

    —————
    What is trying to put a kitchen knife to my face either she put a knife to his face or she did not.

    ****************
    Good point about the “trying”. That whole statement is confusing to me. When I first read that, I took it as TMH did not want him talking to LE (about whatever….perhaps her gun possession), because something would happen to her and her family. But then I read it again and it sounds like he’s saying TMH told him if he talked to LE, something would happen to him and his family (i.e., at her hands?).

    It’s not clear to me at all what actually transpired, will wait for court.

    I’m with Bumble, and feel like something is missing here. To this day I still wonder if TMH was running drugs in her spare soccer-mom time and somehow messed that up and was threatened that something would now happen to her family, and it did, it happened to Kyron. Thus, she let the vampire in, but has no idea where Kyron is or what happened to him.

    I don’t know how any of this would help find Kyron, but I hope somehow it does.

  26. erose says:

    cd, Blink’s date below. You’re right about “What is trying to put a kitchen knife to my face either she put a knife to his face or she did not.”

    erose says:
    December 9, 2016 at 2:49 pm
    When did the alleged knife incident occur. Before or after the alleged gun incident
    [Blink's comment]
    alleged gun- 8/23/15
    alleged knife 11/28/16
    Erose is churning, I can tell, I know you, lol. Ok to speak freely as you know.
    B

  27. Rose says:

    thinking of something DeDe said in her interview, ATG, there seems a real continuity between the CA associate choices and preabduction associate choices. DeDe said the Hockensmiths snd Hormans never crossed paths due to different socioeconomic strata, and they had kids in private not Skyline. Lots of middle and lower socioeconomic families have their kids in fine private and flexibly integrate into various socioeco circles. It seems a matter of choice. or many move to hillsboro or lake oswego for publics.

    So I thought of those Skyline circles. Kurtis and Tanner both had very troubled individuals in their immediate families with real legal charges. Kaine ran with steroid users and allegedly was promiscuous repeatedly. His family had troubles ditto — Kristian and Topher’s famiky troubles the latter due to war injuries, and he tried to engage a mother he’d been cut off from by dad. all those marriages; all that acrimony–on the part of every adult in kyron’s life. Imo CA choices are a continuation of preabduction social circle choices apparently by both Hormans.

  28. cd says:

    cd says:
    December 10, 2016 at 12:47 am
    erose says:
    December 10, 2016 at 12:06 am
    Phone interview with Cristobal. Allegedly, threatened by him talking to LE.

    snip>

    “She was trying to put a knife – a kitchen knife to my face and then she was telling me that if I talked to law enforcement that something is going to happen to me or my family,” explained Cristobal.

    http://www.kxl.com/kyron-hormans-stepmother-accuse-domestic-violence/
    —————

    The kitchen knife accusation sound like a bunch of BS. I don’t see how this guy could prove that TH threatened him with a kitchen knife. He will say she did she probably will say she didn’t.

    Unless:
    He taped her threats or has a witness
    He called 911 right away because he feared for his life
    He has or had some kind of a documented(a trip to the ER) injury which he could prove was caused by TH

    The gun theft was a misdemeanor that might result in a fine. The threat sounds phony. Doxy boy is going to have to do better then that if he thinks the MCSO DA is going to go after TH.

  29. MockingbirdSings says:

    Blink says (snipped:
    Thats my fault for editing. . . . I do not believe in the one sided dirty laundry site-
    B

    @Blink – I appreciate the people who post and read here and their dedication to its purpose. I also appreciate your insistence on sources, respect, and labeling fact vs opinion, but probably most of all, I appreciate your editing (even having been “edited” a few times :) )based on what you stated above. I probably wouldn’t keep coming here otherwise – there is enough of that going around already! We all can get emotional and “go there” sometimes – thank you.

    :)
    B

  30. cd says:

    Rose says:
    December 10, 2016 at 2:05 am
    having such a distinguished tenure in Portland, perhaps Kyle wants to ride this breaking news story into a Calif media market job.

    How did Kyle get the name, phone number, and the Fearful One actually on the phonetalking to his media public?
    Brilliant reporting, or a gobetween with a prior phone chatty relationship of some sort with Terri’s DP?
    —————

    I see shades of DY, KR and TY behind the threat thing in cahoots with Kyle. What happens to these people (legally) if anything if it is proven that the above people had a hand in the threat/RO accusation.

    I dont believe DY knew the first thing about it until it was reported.
    B

  31. A Texas Grandfather says:

    Rose

    I understand where you are coming from regarding the choice of residence. It can happen to anyone. I remember my mother working with a single mom who had a teen age son. This woman accidentally rented a small apt. in a building that was principally used by prostitutes. She found out the first evening they were in the new apt.

    The concept of a gun safe that may have contained more than one firearm indicates to me that the person making the charges was not exactly without a reasonable amount of income. A good handgun only safe is $300.00 or more and then there is the contents including ammunition.

    There is,in my opinion, an attorney who wants to make a name for themselves behind this whole thing with the gun and the knife. It is too tightly woven to be otherwise.

  32. Mom3.0 says:

    Ha speaking of writing/editing mistakes-
    Upon rereading my post the b4 election thought is cut short and confusing

    I meant b4 this election
    people on both sides were saying many would vote against their best interests-

    hence just because Cristobal may be esl speaker or other doesnt mean he didnt vote Trump thinking he didnt fit the bill

    Hope that made things clearer
    jeez this posting of thoughts is way harder than I remember

  33. Rose says:

    @ATG. wrt “There is,in my opinion, an attorney who wants to make a name for themselves behind this whole thing with the gun and the knife. It is too tightly woven to be otherwise.”

    I wish that were true. It would let well-intended LE in CA off the hook
    from that agreed on tight weaving.

    I submit perhaps she was lured to CA to her “home town.”
    Adoptive females can be very vulnerable about roots, and esp long for siblings.

    It is possible when the gun complaint appeared to go nowhere, Terri’s cohabitor was informed by whoever of both “the kyron case” and “the missing gun,” and led to be alarmed and frightened and guided to file the RO, despite no police report and her departure rendering him “safe.”.

    I take my cue from kyle who said he’d spoken to joseph who told
    him he had spoken to both ca and or police. So timing is he very well
    coukd’ve spoken to mcso prior to filing the RO.

    Someone prompted joseph to make those calls and imo
    gave him the phone no to mcso, I have no doubt. He is likely
    an A+ caregiver but uneducated (inference from job).

  34. Rose says:

    “I dont believe DY knew the first thing about it until it was reported.
    B”

    yeah I agree.

    Once again imo she is emotionally on the ropes and has been had.

    And Soldier exacerbates her.

    Imo this has Krafve or some other dysfunctional LE shark written all over it.

  35. Rose says:

    @cd. I suggest Krafvre’s long LE investigation acting-out techniques years before Kyron, epitomized by the persecution of DeDe and, after her innocence was irrefutable, proposing she sting Terri more ludicrously and identifiably than Rudy’s sting, led to this. what lousy grammar I wrote in that sentence. .

    I read the gossip tree as a krafvre sting, or opportunism more likely,
    liaising from mcso to inform desiree with all particulars (names andphone nos)
    and imo Desiree shoots to kyle
    (I surmise she was directed by mcso to make these charges
    public rather than mcso issuing a press release (andinviting liability).
    Kyle, eager to make career progress,
    broadcasts with phone quote quips. O etc copies.
    MCSO Detective’s deed is done.

    Does Reese supervise his Detective unit?
    Didnt he read Swimming With Sharks.

    I religiously read Kurt Eisenwald’s
    (newsweek reporter)tweets now.
    His cure for almost everything is “read a book.”
    = cultivate info acquisition and critical thinking skills.

    ‘Mcso detectives, kyle, Soldiers, etc
    need to read a book today imo.

  36. Rose says:

    to be plain.

    human factors involved in this case investigation, the mcso detective unit,
    are the only ones who have repeatedly shown themselves to maniputively
    act outside the law, & attempt to exploit sources (rudy dede re stings), and who have a
    history of same involving other cases. and imo have played Desiree like a tuning fork, ie
    her civil suit, which went nowhere. If DA Rod will not talk to desiree, he oughta prioritize
    mcso detectives on his No Talkee List

  37. Rose says:

    T. Ruth says:
    December 10, 2016 at 1:03 pm
    “When I first read that, I took it as TMH did not want him talking to LE (about whatever….perhaps her gun possession”

    Occam’s razor–simplest explanation.

    He learned she was a suspect in kyron’s disappearance. (from ?)
    He felt uncomfortable about her 2-phone system.
    He wanted more and independent info.
    He told her he was going to call OR LE and CA LE for more info,
    She panicked at that prospect.
    She moved out.
    He called mcso and predictably was coached thru the RO.

    I am not prepared to say MCSO would coach an out of state citizen on the filing of a TRO in their state. It would not surprise me to learn he was somehow contacted for an interview. I would have an extremely difficult time believing a co worker turned paramour had no idea who TMH was, if that is his story.
    I do wonder of course what the issue would be requiring a conversation with MCSO.

    B

  38. Rose says:

    @Blink. In this link kyle said he talked by phone to JC who stated he had called OR le and ca le.
    https://www.google.com/amp/www.kgw.com/amp/news/local/kyron-horman/kyron-hormans-stepmother-accused-of-domestic-violence/366720210?client=safari
    it’s towards the end.

    imo the pipeline is mcso (whatever shark) to
    desiree who ssnds contact info to kyle
    an imo news prostitute. DA needs to pressure Reese to
    rein in the marx brothers.

    JC called OR and CA le or he spoke to them (as I quoted earlier as reported by Kyle)? Just looking to flesh out the difference here re who contacted whom? It is an important distinction, imo.
    B

  39. T. Ruth says:

    Quoting Iboshi @1:50 on the video:

    “The man who took out the restraining order against Terri Horman tells me he’s been in contact with police in Oregon and California. Terri Horman could not be reached for comment.”

    http://www.kgw.com/news/local/kyron-horman/kyron-hormans-stepmother-accused-of-domestic-violence/366720210
    ************

    Kyle doesn’t really say who made initial contact to whom. And of course being the stellar reporter he is, there are no quotes from any LE confirming said contact, or who initiated it. Probably would have resulted in “no comment” anyhow.

  40. Rose says:

    https://www.google.com/amp/www.kgw.com/amp/news/local/kyron-horman/kyron-hormans-stepmother-accused-of-domestic-violence/366720210?client=safari
    approx 1:54 “tells me ge’s been in contact with…”
    doesn’t say who initiated the clntact.

    my interest is the timing of the contact–before or after the RO?
    Obviously her distress, however she acted it out, responded to
    his informing ger he planned to soeak or had spoken to an
    individual employee LE. Whether in the employee’s official or
    unofficial capacity. Both Mikelsons are Sacramento Cty deputy
    sheriffs (name of one is in this article as Union repr): https://www.google.com/amp/s/sacbee.relaymedia.com/amp/news/local/crime/article2578912.html?client=safari
    It is possible after the July detention and arrest over the gun, concerned County deputies did a wellness check with those residing at her address of record. JC said he had recently “learned” of the case. From whom in that his concern was heightened, and he developed suspicion (phones) and wanted to talk to LE or had done so already perhaps?
    —–
    In the meantime CEO of Riverside needs to call the FBI just like Comet Pizza owner did repeatedly for social media attacks on his business from those with a history of threatening bodily harm. Sadly Desiree kidded it off with her “come on everybody” message knowing precisely what her Volunteer With the Family has done previously to stalk homes and businesses on line and in person.

    Kaine needs to be sure Kristen’s famiky has NO involvement.
    He needs to publically disavow the activities of his exwife and
    her social media FB site administrators because he
    has the kniwledge from mcso to correct the record.
    —–
    imo JC believes his contacts with OR and CA LE were
    momentous to him (feeding hus fear) because it was in his
    mind a salient fact he chose to tell kyle.

  41. Rose says:

    i inferred mcso called him after a gobetween
    gave an mcso employee his
    name and number. who knows?

  42. Rose says:

    Desiree kicked it off…
    with her written call to followers’ action
    knowing their history, and herself initially
    leading it on site in Roseburg.

  43. Rose says:

    re “I do wonder of course what the issue would be requiring a conversation with MCSO.”
    Sgt (still, after years) Krafve, head of mcso Detectives, has over a decade of published history (ie in WW) of manufacturing stings and ruses to prove out his gut opinions or just convict someone even the wrong person.
    Imo there doesn’t need to be any issue for him to attempt to set up yet another sting or
    entrapment with yet another roommate of Terri.

    There certainly does if it is crossing state lines, absolutely.
    B

  44. erose says:

    For someone completely unaware of who she is, how did JC know what Oregon LE agency to contact, and why contact Oregon for a CA DV issue?

    Rose says:
    December 10, 2016 at 10:09 pm

    snip>

    JC called OR and CA le or he spoke to them (as I quoted earlier as reported by Kyle)? Just looking to flesh out the difference here re who contacted whom? It is an important distinction, imo.
    B

    Righto.
    B

  45. Rose says:

    good thing JC didn’t call a County deputy to his home.
    http://www.leagle.com/decision/In%20FDCO%2020150202372/TRUONG%20v.%20COUNTY%20OF%20SACRAMENTO
    Apparently if Terri met a deputy at the door, wearing only shorts so no weapon of any kind was visible and screamed at said deputy not to enter her home–no permission–because she screamed and got agitated, he could shoot her dead on her own property. Tamara = a deputy defense witness (tho he was there alone).

  46. Rose says:

    @Blink.
    Qs whose answers you are welcome to skip at present :
    1) Did you talk with TH after July 4?
    2) Did she volunteer she had been arrested for legal charges of some kind?

    If Yes then No, that goes to credibility.

    Did you, perhaps like Desiree, have no knowledge of
    the gun theft allegation and/or RO and its content prior to
    dissemination via Kyle?

    I will answer you this way Rose- Terri never informed me personally of either of her current legal issues and she certainly had occasion to.
    B

  47. Rose says:

    The only people JC himself averred in writing he talked or would
    talk to was Terri and “law enforcement.”
    and then he talked to kyle. and specified le in ca and or both.
    he mentioned no one else.
    .
    kyle looks way incompetent to
    not further identify unless that was deliberate on his part
    to conceal names.

    CA = Sacramento Cty where he resides imo.
    Why didn’t the contacted LE take a police report?
    keeping their name out of it?
    Who in OR LE?
    Only relevant members of mcso are in Krafve’s Detective Unit.
    How’d he find them or they find him and why?
    Reese hopefully will get a courtesy phone call from her attorney.

    Im gonna add… the tro of a pending alleged DV victim is confidential and not subject to public disclosure. So, there’s that.
    BB

  48. Rose says:

    interesting all these Portland media post the
    story and quotes from JC but have never talked to him
    or sourced or confirmed anything themselves
    imo they don’t know his phone no or address.
    = A closely held secret by kyle as demanded by his phone no supplier?

  49. cd says:

    erose says:
    December 11, 2016 at 1:20 pm
    For someone completely unaware of who she is, how did JC know what Oregon LE agency to contact, and why contact Oregon for a CA DV issue?
    ———–
    IMO
    I think this guy lived with TH and knew all about her troubles with DY and the hater crater. TH for what ever reason ended the relationship or was going to end the relationship. JC was mad at TH for dumping him so he got in touch with the SG world soldier page for revenge. I am sure SG called DY for direction in the matter and he was told if he could to file an RO against TH and get her in court to do it.

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