Dr. Phil Show Hosts Missing Portland Child Kyron Horman’s Step Mom Terri Horman Over Two Episodes

I have been covering this case since Kyron Horman disappeared from Skyline School in June, 2010.    Like most missing persons cases I have covered in the past,  I am of the strong opinion that best efforts at the truth are the only way to propel investigations that, similarly to Kyron’s, have gone cold for one reason or another.   This approach has worked in resolving some of my previous cases.    I am proud of that.  I remain steadfast to the integrity involved in those and future cases.

Over the past 10 months (or so) I have been developing an updated series on Kyron’s case to include my multiple interviews with Kyron’s step-mom,  Terri Horman.   Needless to say as she was the subject of at least three simultaneous cases before an Oregon court and remains a person of interest by the agency investigating her sons disappearance, this has been an arduous and sometimes delicate journey.    Ms. Horman’s experiences during the ongoing investigation of the disappearance of Kyron Horman are critically important to propelling his case and with great hope- finding the truth about what happened to this cherubic and innocent child.    There are dozens of sources,  collateral interviews, forensic experts and legal analysts that also contribute to my series and have done so because of their belief that my motivation is to bring to light information and opinions in such a way that would almost “require” a focused review of Kyron’s case and the likely shaking of that proverbial tree everyone talks about.

Set to publish about 6-ish weeks ago I was asked to postpone the first installment of the series, which I did.  I subsequently learned Ms. Horman was participating in the Dr. Phil program after she completed taping.  Dr. Phils producers were well aware that Ms. Horman had interviewed with me extensively, and anticipated my series would be publishing information that was not known to the public previously in the days prior to her scheduled episode.    When Ms. Horman conveyed to me that she feels obligated to speak out about “her son” in any national medium that will have her,   I most certainly respected that.  I still do.

While Dr. Phil seems like a gregarious fellow for sure,   I have zero interest in being associated with his program, nor do I believe his shows content is designed to do any furtherance of investigation or truth.  There is much concern (although I have no affiliation to the show whatsoever) that the timing of the publication of my series on the Kyron Horman matter might be interpreted differently or inadvertently contribute to the programs content or audience reactions.     Not what I signed on for.   A missing 7 year old boy six years running is not a framework for entertaining a target audience.   He is not fodder for online social media bully campaigns- yet it occurs.

I will be publishing my series on Kyron’s case at a later date, in it’s entirety with no editing adjustments as a result of any of the appearances on Dr. Phil.   I appreciate your patience and your understanding.   Feel free to discuss the show below.

 

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  1. T.Ruth- the allegation re much which was the basis of the FAPA, as I understand the extremely limited record, public statements and RSE testimony, at the absolute most would have been an “attempt” to solicit. If it were true and chargeable- it is an inchoate offense as opposed to solicitation – which requires about 6 steps of proven actor contemplation and completion – only 2 of which are really probable cause for a charge. In sum (criminal law 101 but I am referring to the ss2009 ORS 161.435 and 2009 ss ORS 161.405, ss ORS 2009 ORS 161.430 respectively) It would need to prove #4 actor prepares for the crime in some manner, and #5 actor begins s the crime. We can assume that solicitation ( no statutory limitation for “time to file”) was ever in play here based on the failed sting attempt, the FAPA affidavit and the lack of 2 grand juries to issue an indictment.

    So.. we look to what I believe was the secondary targeted offense, and attempted solicitation. Also inchoate- or an incomplete crime, as hard as Engel tried to demonstrate LE did not lead him to RSE, and keep him from ever being deposed or cross examined by Houze, the only testimony he was allowed to give under the Judge’s order resulted in a conversion of the FAPA ORDER to a civil no contact mutual order. You may note RSE was precluded from discussing that final 15 minute “meeting”, well his part in it anyway, but I would offer if it were ever true any of TH behavior could even be construed as an “attempt”, lacking the obvious actions to mount it in the first place, under 2009 ORS 161.430 renunciation is an affirmative defense. I would offer calling 911 and demanding subsequent criminal trespassing charges be filed would be seen by a juror as a renunciation if ever the allegation rose to a charge. These statutes have been updated a few times since 2009- but the statute that applied at the time of the alleged crime can only be applied and according to Kaine, as told to him by LE, this occurred late 2009 ( btw, reminder Ms. Horman on record calling 911 Dec 2009 for EMS care against Kaine’s wishes for an unknown severe pain which turned out to be kidney stones). The statute of limitations ( as indicated also by Rees) would be 6 years. ( another reason why you don’t want prosecutors with no party standing on the record in a civil matter but that’s a separate issue).

    But Blink, you say, that would mean the limitation clock ran out in “late” 2015, not 2016, right? If TH had been an OR resident throughout thAt time, yes. However, under the aforementioned statutory limitations there is/are potentially applicable time extension for a person establishing residence outside the state. My firm opinion is that TH residence in CA for one year was seen as an additional “sands of time”. Cristobal allegedly told Kyle he was in contact with MCSO. I do not believe the timing of the now dismissed case of the woman driving her own vehicle was an accident.

  2. Rose says:

    pretty critical adverse to mcso
    then the gun trial was set for May
    rather than a plea taken in Yuba because
    in defense, Richards, if she can keep him,
    will depose then Q the complaining witness
    about all contacts with mcso personnel and
    crater participants, and will do the same with
    the arresting officer. Imo the DA there will not
    get entangked and protect either but let
    chips fall where they may during trial. I expect
    DDY is hearing from mcso about her media interview and her
    crater’s sabotage of plea.

  3. There are a bevy of reasons why LE knows TH was not on Sauvie , and her phone never pinged there.
    B

  4. Rose says:

    @Truth. Of interest is when Kaine put his own private tipline e-address on his BKH Foundation site, not mcso’s.

    @first-time. Since Kaine was the custodial parent legally, imo it is Kaine with the right to request a case transfer to “higher powers.” While he is self-interested (Kiara, and maybe he fears he “opened the door” to the malefactor in some manner), like you I began to ask myself why Kaine, having reading ability, has not opened up to pursuit of his son’s captor by case transfer.

    I think we may have overrated his reading interests and likelihood and his verbal abstract reasoning ability. So, I tried to re-find his college degree if any, or whether he had a computer voc ed. His brother, working in the field got his ed at a tech business in his Washington town. Could be Kaine similarly lacked a college ed requiring reading skills and abstract reasoning abilities other than coding competence.

    As far as I have read his exspouse and others, Kaine’s interests seem limited generally to trucks, certain types of cars, guns (target practice over time), and wommins as NelMel would put it. He’s also appeared at bars in photos, racetracks (Germany). and so on. No where do I see an interest in reading or thinking.

    I began to wonder if maybe Intel keeps getting in management trouble because they hire voc ed type coders and promote them up but as a class they probably like wider liberal reading and reasoning abilities as managers.

    As for Desiree, we know she’s an accountant; I do not recall a college degree but maybe she has one. But her interests laid in roller derby, and drag racetracks, motorcycles, etc–blue collar type stuff. Her accounting does not attest to reading or written language abstract reasoning abilities. Tho maybe she has them, none of her interviews indicate that.

  5. I can tell from certain commentary that either DY is in contact with MCSO or Iboshi is sharing pipeline info or both. Some recent events tend to make me believe MCSO may be acting outside of Rees/Underhill supervision or sign off. That may be a matter of plausible deniability, dunno.

    I have no reason to believe DY or an agent of hers in contact with the hater crater would ever alert them to any warnings or admonishment- I don’t think she realizes how that actually serves her(TH) defense or possible future claims of injury. Conversely, an injurious award does require empathy toward a plaintiff and she is certainly making it difficult to craft that narrative on her behalf for any civil attorney.

    NONE of this is going to locate the abductor or abductors of this child, and for the life of me I do not understand why any rational person capable of the most banal research can’t figure that out. I wish I actually believed MCSO OR THE MCDA thought locking her up somehow and depleting all resources would work- at the very least (although a violation of law and civil rights) I could feel the intention was genuine. I do not believe after years of covering and personally investigating this case any LE professional can say that a scintilla of evidence leads them to conclude TH is responsible for, or is connected to the unknown male subject Kyron Horman was seen exiting the building with the morning of June 4th, 2010.

    Somebody needs to send Underhill and Sheriff Reese the latest order in Ferguson v Short et al. No qualified immunity- and a savvy civil attorney will likely see how it’s claims are tied to the investigation itself- severed from the claims following his arrest. You see what I did there.
    B

  6. Justice92 says:

    It has been years since I have read and contributed here, but I saw this on 20/20 OWN last week and it got me thinking again about sweet Kyron. Has anyone ever entertained the thought that possibly Kyron may have been a victim of the Underground Network of thousands of people who help aide and hide ‘alleged’ child abuse victims? Usually it’s the mother trying to get revenge against the father, often in bitter custody battles or during embroiled divorce proceedings. Often the mother alleges abuse against herself and/or her kids and contacts underground helpers which assist the mother in hiding either herself with her kids or her kids only for their “protection” against a court system that many believe favors the abusive parent, i.e. usually the father. Not saying this is what happened, but since we are going on almost 7 yrs of Kyron being gone and not yet found, it recently made me wonder.

    Below is the link for the 20/20 episode last year which highlighted this Network that is apparently all over the country and beyond.

    http://abc.go.com/shows/2020/episode-guide/2016-04/08-040816-footprints-in-the-snow

  7. first-time says:

    Rose says:
    February 9, 2017 at 10:50 am
    @first-time

    OK, not everyone is a reader or critical thinker. I get that but I still cannot believe that someone close to either of the bios hasn’t done some very basic on-line research and come across all that’s been written here and elsewhere. I am admittedly a research junky – I research everything (curious nature, I suppose) and I know everyone is not as weird as my kids and hubby say I am, but SURELY they are at least AWARE that there are other alternative scenerios to “If not Terri, then who?”

    THEY ARE AWARE OF SZ; THEY MUST KNOW THAT THEY CAN GET HELP FROM THE FBI, if they so choose but still….nothing. nada. zilch. Wouldn’t their natural inclination be to say to themselves, “geez, maybe there is something to this theory that Terri isn’t involved and I’m going to raise some questions about it because it may lead to finding my baby!” I guess maybe they really don’t care to find him? My a$$ would be sitting at the sheriff’s office demanding this be elevated to the FBI. I am dumbfounded.

  8. A Texas Grandfather says:

    I suppose Christina’s “inchotate” refers to “in the beginning” rather than without shape or form. The attempted solicitation was essentially blocked by TH with the 911 call.

    I agree with your assessment of KH’s reading skills Rose. In my day and perhaps in your time at college, four years of English that also included one year of literature were required for any degree. This is no longer true. Some technical degrees may be obtained with only one or two years of English. I don’t think a two year associates degree in computer technology would be sufficient to give KH the skills to advance to a management position. Of course, he could be one who has a great ability to understand enough electronics to actually design the very complicated circuits of todays systems.

  9. Rose says:

    @Blink. Hot analysis. But the onlybone with standing vz DA and MCSO is thoroughly hobbled.

    “…an injurious award does require empathy toward a plaintiff and she is certainly making it difficult to craft that narrative on her behalf for any civil attorney.”

    you bet your hot patootie she’s now the least sympathetic plaintiff in the 9th circuit region. a terrorist from Libya suffering false arrest would fare better. And she’s done it to herself. Reminds me of that bronzed lady’s weightlifting pictures–a self-image distortion.

  10. Rose says:

    Blink, Underhill’s incentive to continue a sole TMH focus which ensures the case floats behind him like a canoe moving backwards on a stream is that it was not merely Frink nor Rees handling this case. Underhill was intimately involved in directing the initial investigation team. Iirc Moawad’s famiky&friends online journal blog said it was Underhill who sent her to Skyline School right up front to work on site advising mcso. Woukd’ve dampened his first DA election, and impacted future ones, if his screwups–the equivalent of Staton’s imo–were public with the arrest of a make with no ties to TH.

  11. I have to continue (as much as it pains me- I am not a fan, that has nothing to do with my empathy for him as a parent) to say although Kaine initially referred the question to LE, eventually he confirmed the existence of SZ, and the fact that LE does not know who it is. I say again, in the history of any case like this, I beg one person to cite a case where there was collusion on behalf of a suspect that no lea could ever connect to some confirmed but unknown male actor. Kids do not vanish, and kids that go missing after being seen by witnesses by an as yet unidentified male, on their schools watch have a damn right for those tasked with finding him, and his abductor to extraordinary effort.

  12. It’s an incomplete crime under the legal definition. There are multiple problems with the accusation in the first place, as an example, the civil record and Kaines affidavit are nearly a year apart. It is seriously beyond me how/why any lea would continue this way.

  13. Rose says:

    unless it was suspected an LE was the unknown male, even one from another County.
    The Fleet Day, the LE Funeral, the steroids. What opportunist would put all that
    together?

  14. Rose says:

    And the LE doofuses charged in the Clackamus steroid scandal were likely well below the top of that profitable mfg or distribution chain.

  15. Rose says:

    @ATG. inchoate is a technical
    term in crim law meaning incomplete
    (required elements to charge aren’t there).

    @Justice92. a charitable perspective would be
    that scenario is the bios’ hope.

  16. Rose says:

    @first-time well there’s always the motives of
    1) public adulation and admiration while he remains “missing”, and
    2) money, of course, whether flowing to a Foundation
    or to enterprises dear to one’s heart.
    —-
    I think the family associate most involved in advising
    Kaine was Kristi (aside from paramour).
    Iirc she was Foundation’s startup secretary, appeared
    in pics with parents of other missing, etc.
    Why an involved grandmother would not call mcso out wrt
    the investigation and its target Teri is beyond me. Unless she wants
    to be the ONLY grandma to kiara. I bet kiara & kyron once much closer
    to Moultons imo.

  17. Rose says:

    @Blink. my old eyes hope you return
    to dressing in all black soon.

  18. erose says:

    @Rose, Only one I can think of, Steve Harmon.

    Rose says:
    February 10, 2017 at 10:50 am

  19. A Texas Grandfather says:

    Thanks Rose for “inchoate” use in criminal law. I don’t have a legal dictionary. Regular dictionary indicates “in the beginning” or “affecting shape or form”. Actually the term “in” is derived or a short form of within.

    All professions use special meanings of words. I just last week completed reading a short history of the development work of Noah Webster and his efforts to produce an American dictionary that standardized spellings and found the source language of words. If one reads the Constitution the word choose is also spelled chuz in several places.

  20. A Texas Grandfather says:

    My take on Christina’s question of why would LE continue in the manner of MCSO and DA. They continue their flawed behavior in order to protect some of their own people and some in the PPS administration.

    This is the same type of behavior that the Aruba police and justice system used to keep the Van Der Sloots out of prison in the Natalee Holloway case.

    I don’t like seeing people like TM attacked by LE, some media or the hater crater mob. However, we have evidence of less than stellar behavior on her part. She needs to find herself a good support group at a church or other type of help and learn to stay out of situations that are harmful.

  21. Rose says:

    a Comment to a Comment:
    “Kim S:
    PPS Board, Superintendent and high level staff fought me the entire way… trying to hide the problem rather than protect students and staff.  Thanks to reporters Bethany Barnes, Beth Slovic and brave staff for standing up to them.  Thank you to the District Attorney for ordering PPS to produce records.  I had to appeal 3 times.  Bd and Supt. permitted the general counsel to hide them. ”
    http://www.oregonlive.com/education/index.ssf/2017/02/bullying_offensive_behavior_no.html

    Wonder what they hid at Skyline?

  22. T. Ruth says:

    The phone # still listed on BKH website is the same # that was there since the beginning. “call: 503-261-2847″ I do see that BKH is now requesting email tips be sent to them.

    http://www.bringkyronhome.org/

    However, interesting that MCSO lists two different tip lines on their website, a separate one for cold case tips: Tip Line: 503-988-0560
    Cold Case Tip Line: 503-988-0570

    http://mcso.us/profiles/

    The FBI still lists the same number as BKH as well:

    “Kyron Richard Horman has been missing from Skyline Elementary School in Portland, Oregon, since June 4, 2010. He was last seen that
    morning after attending a science fair at the school.
    If you have any information concerning this case, please contact the local tip line at (503) 261-2847, or your local FBI office or the nearest
    American Embassy or Consulate.”

    So where (or to whom) does the number on BKH go to at MCSO? Does it go directly to a specific detective?

    Anywho, BKH does not have a request for tips “previously” called in to MCSO as MKH did. Although I don’t see that request anymore on any of the sites. When was the request removed, if it has been? (I don’t go to those sites often, as there is really no new information to be had.) I thought it was strange when it appeared that tips were to be going directly to DY, particularly ones that had already been called in to MCSO.

  23. erose says:

    @TRuth, Seems that is the number for the SIU Tip Line.

    Special Investigations Unit
    4735 E Burnside St. 
    Portland, OR 97215.
    503.255.3600

    TIP Line
    503.261.2847

    https://multco.us/services/sheriffs-office

  24. erose says:

    Seems that number is also used for “recognize anyone?” Any thoughts of a minimum of one dedicated LEO on Kyron’s case should be forgotten. I think it’s down to tips now.

    http://www.mcso.us/profiles/idme.php

  25. Rose says:

    @TRuth. the 261 # is a general mcso tip line used in other cases, ie arson or police phone scams. Probably manned by different people & does not go directly to kyron’s lone assigned detective.

  26. A Texas Grandfather says:

    O/T

    I hope the dam holds and the water is contained. This was an engineering job that was never finished. An emergency spillway that was not concreted or protected with rock “rip rap” will always wash away instantly when exposed to that amount of flow. In addition, the fall of water from the gate was about 300 ft. producing about 190 lbs of additional force. The whole tailrace from the main spillway should have been concreted all the way to the intersection of the river. With this much turbulence in the water at the dam, they better be looking for water undercutting the main dam structure itself.

    Looks like the Yuba case may have an act of nature delaying it.

    Just a note to all as we were down yesterday due to host power/restore issues-
    B

  27. Rose says:

    MCSO’s books, and pages in books, always mentioned by them as proof they went to work every day were always down to tips. Unfortunately bizarros woukd call in saying I saw him, and mcso woukd have to rule it out.
    Too bad Kyron didn’t have a PPS parent like Kim S who’d go to every PTA and relevant (to her) District mtg then FOIA and reappeal the heck out of PPS. Show me one FOIA and appeal upto 3 times that Kaine did to PPS re communications between Keefer and HR (about school employees on 6/4 and their background cks say) or Keefer and PPS Legal or his Supv re events of that day.

  28. erose says:

    o/t Blink, I suppose you know about this already. All, there is an interesting child abuse map related to the article. On the west coast, excluding Alaska, Oregon seems to have the highest rate. Wonder if that is because laws, or law enforcement, or something else entirely?

    http://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/ncaafb/jerry-sanduskys-son-charged-with-child-sex-abuse/ar-AAmTJpg?li=BBnb7Kz

  29. Rose says:

    I thought you were in the closet searching for yr black dress.
    Glad to see you wearing it. Your analysis deserves to stand out.

    xo
    B

  30. Rose says:

    re Rose says:
    February 9, 2017 at 10:50 am
    Dadgum: Amongst listing his overriding interests, I forgot Kaine’s significant interest in online gaming, as evidenced by time on that task, and his considering quality time with Kyron was joint Wii.
    Still wondering if MCSO explored his every gamer contact (from any geographic
    lication, not just the Pacific NW). And, did Kyron game on line with Tony
    or Quinn whilst in Medford?

  31. T. Ruth says:

    Saturday July 10, 2010:

    KGW learns from a reliable source that investigators believe at least one other person in addition to Terri Horman has knowledge about the disappearance of Kyron Horman.

    http://www.desmoinesregister.com/story/news/2014/07/20/11733080/

    *********

    September 3, 2012:

    KAINE HORMAN, KYRON`S FATHER: I believe that there`s some form of involvement. I don`t know to what level. It could be directly involved. And she`s responsible and she acted alone that day, or someone else is involved, either with her or **even maybe potentially without her** in light of something not breaking, coming forward quickly. This is going to be a marathon, not a sprint. This could go on for two, three, four years, potentially, without closure.

    http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1209/03/ijvm.01.html

    **************
    Well, he nailed the last sentence, didn’t he? Without closure? How in the heck can a parent ever accept that, particularly when he knows darn well, there is someone else involved and LE has refused to even acknowledge that to the public with any kind of a description whatsoever? How are he and DY just fine with that?

    Why in the hell isn’t anyone looking for this person? No one looks for this “other person”, i.e., SZ. Why won’t they even admit there is another person? Even if TMH had something to do with Kyron’s disappearance, they would still have to find out who SZ is, because SZ took Kyron, not TMH.

    No one looks for Kyron either, they won’t even update his image to something that really would resemble him at his upcoming 15 year old birthday. (Good luck with that Kewl!) All anyone has ever searched for in this case is evidence to nail TMH. No wonder it never progresses.

    ***********
    RE: the phone number erose gave that goes to the Special Investigations Unit and “recognize anyone?” page at MCSO.

    Did they have a page like that back then? Did they ever put a photo of the dude that TMH referred to as stopping by the 7-11 asking about a school? Where is a photo of the dude that broke into the then daycare center and stole “data”? (We know there was a video.) I wonder if all the cases listed there, that show no information as to what type of case it is, are alleged witnesses?
    It seems most all those cases are from 2016, a coulple from 2015 and one from 2014. Guessing that because Kyron’s case number was 10-403516, 2010. I wonder why no previous cases from prior years are listed there? Did they all get solved? Not likely, and we for sure no of one that hasn’t. I think that’s a great tool, but how do they get it to the public? I never knew it was there. Why not list previous years as well, even if someone in the cold case unit has to go back and find photos of folks (or vehicles) they were interested in at the time the case broke? LE needs to utilize the internet more and quit depending on FB junkies and world warriors.

    ***********
    @Blink, were any of the witnesses in Kyron’s case you’ve spoken with say whether or not they were ever shown a photo of anyone other than TMH or DDS?

    Not sure how to answer that in context T. Ruth.
    B

  32. erose says:

    wrt – Just a note to all as we were down yesterday due to host power/restore issues-
    B

    Shucks, (no pressure, how is your foot, btw) I was hoping the site was down because a new article was going up.

    Heavens to Betsy erose I remind myself constantly to be grateful for ANY progress (yesterday was 8 weeks and many surgeons cast for that long) but it is taking forever and is hella painful. I have accomplished 2 bike rides with cleats and 2 attempted walk/jogs. I can only wear a running shoe w/out laces on it to date, and when I get to the point of having a sense of humor on it- I have a pretty funny story about my attempt to climb the steps at Montco courthouse 3 weeks ago.

    I tried a pump on yesterday just to sit in my office behind my desk and it swelled so badly I had to ice it to get it off- in about an hour.
    DPM swears in 4 more months I will not even remember the horror, lol, I am clinging to that :)
    B

  33. sam says:

    @Justice92 says:
    February 9, 2017 at 2:16 pm

    That possiblity was floated around shortly after kyron disapeared. The reason it was considered was because of JW and his connections to the courts as a child advocate. At the time his connection was to DeDe Spicher and since she was a friend of Terri Horman people thought that perhaps Terri had orchestrated something like that with his help and some alleged ties of his to a mexican orphanage or something like that. Its interesting that some guy named Tom Jones is posting often on the world soldiers page, not sure if it’s the same guy. It is possible that he has ties to all of the bio’s and perhaps terri horman also. The similarity to any parent with that show (in my opinion) though is Kaine Horman who has acted the least concerned with Kyrons Disapearance and his odd ‘keeping his room the same and buying him new clothes often.’ It would explain why someone is not interested in finding out exactly who Kyron left the school with and keeping a perpetual blame on TH would be convienent if something like that really happened. Thanks for sharing that episode.

    Sam- that was Wishert/Wishart, not who you mentioned so I changed it.
    B

  34. A Texas Grandfather says:

    Be careful and patient B. That was a major surgery and it is going to take time. Damaged bones and cartilage in a foot will make it swell for a long time. I am surprised that you were able to put on the regular pump.

    I broke the heel of my left foot in 1980. Eight weeks later the doctor was able to remove the cast. He told me to bring a loose fitting shoe to wear on the injured foot. I took an old pair of loafers. When he saw what I brought, he had a great laugh. Of course, the swelling was big and the shoe wouldn’t fit. So for the next six weeks I wore a soft leather moccasin larger than my regular shoe size on the swollen foot until I could wear a regular shoe again.

    I think you will remember the events and all the things that happened during the time, but you will laugh about some of them. Just make certain that you don’t push too fast to get back to normal activities.

    Just being a concerned poppa

    xo. You’re right of course
    B

  35. Rose says:

    Maybe Spicey will loan you that big glittery pump he she wore on the last SNL.
    —-
    Iirc DDY did tell her coterie of stalkers someone else was involved with Terri: DeDe!
    Perhaps Desiree was typecasting DDS as another male impersonator like Spicey. I
    don’t recall Kaine standing up fir DeDe either. Fine thanks from him for her
    organizing HIS wife’s birthday dinner.

    I am going to let this quasi-political analogy slide because it was ungodly hilarious. If I were Spicey, I would have shown up to my next briefing with a water gun on the podium and a pack of gum and never said a word. McCarthy is masterful and I would have found it endearing as she is pretty A political. We have got to keep some levity about ourselves.
    B

  36. A Texas Grandfather says:

    T.Ruth

    I don’t think TM has a clue as to what happened to Kyron. MCSO is stuck on stupid and will be so as long as the old hands are in charge. KH is stuck in the same place in addition to thinking that TM had something to with the abduction.

    The internet has experienced explosive growth in capability over the last twenty years. However, government agencies have not kept up with the growth. System life has now shrunk to about thirty months with new hardware and programs replacing the old. If they don’t have someone on their staff that is charged with the task of keeping up with the new developments with planning to add new and improved services, it doesn’t happen.

    When you have a community that is overloaded with drugs and homeless people, the burden on LE is often too great to provide protective and investigation services to others.

    True story- I am aware of a DA office that has one shared PC with outside web/research capability for every 6 ADA’s. One cannot do their job properly, imo.
    B

  37. Rose says:

    @sam. Jones will post anywhere that’ll have him. (meaning nowhere but Soldier Stalker.) iirc he’s a very black sheep cousin of DDS, envious of “her” family line, and mentally ill. I think he made his debut on that God talk whatever it was called site.

  38. T. Ruth says:

    Maybe Kaine Horman should volunteer part time to help out MCSO with their computers and tech training, spending time raising awareness in that way instead of running marathons and selling Christmas trees. Just a thought.

  39. A Texas Grandfather says:

    O/T

    Blink’s story about the DA’s office is probably typical of a lot of offices. The office should have a wired network with a password protected internet gateway server. Much of LE work is not to be shared with the public either by accident or theft. Wireless does not do a good job of protecting data related to the work.

    One of the things that many IT professionals do not understand when designing systems is the concept of total security and much of it protected by laws that have to be considered in the design work.

    A case in point is the worry by news media about the possible hacking of the power grid and other utilities. Good system design provides for a control system that is not a part of the internet, but is private phone lines. I was designing such systems in the early 1970′s. Utility companies are not about to share information of that type to the reporters.

  40. Rose says:

    Sorry Blink. didn’t intend an analigy. I was however being facetious about Desiree telling her troops there WAS an accomplice or coplanner, but she mirphed her knowing from mcso the abductor was a male into identifying to her following an innocent female merely I assume bcz DDS was kind to Teri.

  41. Rose says:

    ot I catch myself talking like Spicey
    to the husband tho as tho he’s my press corp
    & have to out on the brakes

  42. erosd says:

    o/t. I suggest a klassy pair of Ughs.

    o/t- great idea for commute/travel but no for walking (too flat) need arch support to match dancers gel pad thingie he just added. I cant even believe I am typing this, LOL.
    xo
    B

  43. A Texas Grandfather says:

    T.Ruth

    You are too logical regarding your question about KH and MCSO. However, since we don’t know KH’s real expertise, he may or may not be able to provide what they need, but he could provide information and some guidance. At least he could be in their sight enough to remind them that they owe him a solution to finding his child.

  44. T. Ruth says:

    @Rose says:
    February 15, 2017 at 10:25 pm

    LOL, we all need a little spice in our lives. I thought that SNL routine was hilarious.

  45. T. Ruth says:

    O/T

    Blink, try these shoes, no laces, slip-ons. Here’s one of the comments:

    “I live in these shoes I the summer and year round in the house. Best ones I have ever owned. Accommodate my Dr required inserts.”

    https://www.skechers.com/en-us/style/11933/d-lites-bright-sky/wsl

    (They work for anyone with heel spurs as well, your heavy-duty arch supports will fit as well.)

    http://rehab-store.com/p-32799-spenco-orthotic-arch-support-34-length-insoles.html?gclid=COva2ujnl9ICFQaTfgodocQBbA

    I heart u T. Ruth, thank you so much. The problem I am having is I have a considerable incision scar that is still scabbing on the top- it cant stand any friction or pressure AND I cannot wear anything “athletic” looking in my biz. It looks like I may have to break that cardinal sin of hosiery (tights) with sandals. There are few I am considering from Fly London and with the dancer pad thingie I can wear a pair of gentle souls flats (for home) I bought a few years ago but never really wore. Let me say to anyone who might benefit from our research- such options are pricey, but it will literally be the only thing I can get around in for at least 3-4 months. I am just thankful I am not popping pills and I know many people have it much worse. I have been extremely humbled to say the least.
    B

  46. A Texas Grandfather says:

    Blink

    Perhaps a mary jane style shoe with a 11/2 inch wedge heel and a low cut toe area would work. I would think that you need to keep pressure off the metatarsal arch and the top of the foot. Some mary jane styles could be modified in the toe area for the injured foot if you have access to a good shoe repair shop. The Walking Store and others on-line have this type of shoe. These can be dressy and at the same time provide protection for the toes leaving the surgical area covered by just your hose.

    Yeah, I know this is just another area of my knowledge. I worked five years as a teen in a family shoe store. This was in a time when sales people had to know how to fit shoes and how they were constructed. Most sales people today can not even read a compound measuring stick and know little to nothing about proper fit of a shoe or boot.

    Aaw, I thank you, brilliant. xo
    B

  47. RoseRed says:

    This (comment below) always makes one wonder if Kaine was more involved in what happened to Kyron than most are willing to admit. It’s possible that it was “A Plan” -maybe cooked up by KH and friends, (maybe to get rid of TM) and something just went horribly wrong. We might never know unless one of his pals turns on him, or if he actually feels “guilt”.

    ~~~~~
    sam says:
    February 15, 2017 at 9:19 pm
    @Justice92 says:February 9, 2017 at 2:16 pm

    The similarity to any parent with that show (in my opinion) though is Kaine Horman who has acted the least concerned with Kyrons Disapearance and his odd ‘keeping his room the same and buying him new clothes often.’

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