Dr. Phil Show Hosts Missing Portland Child Kyron Horman’s Step Mom Terri Horman Over Two Episodes
I have been covering this case since Kyron Horman disappeared from Skyline School in June, 2010. Like most missing persons cases I have covered in the past, I am of the strong opinion that best efforts at the truth are the only way to propel investigations that, similarly to Kyron’s, have gone cold for one reason or another. This approach has worked in resolving some of my previous cases. I am proud of that. I remain steadfast to the integrity involved in those and future cases.
Over the past 10 months (or so) I have been developing an updated series on Kyron’s case to include my multiple interviews with Kyron’s step-mom, Terri Horman. Needless to say as she was the subject of at least three simultaneous cases before an Oregon court and remains a person of interest by the agency investigating her sons disappearance, this has been an arduous and sometimes delicate journey. Ms. Horman’s experiences during the ongoing investigation of the disappearance of Kyron Horman are critically important to propelling his case and with great hope- finding the truth about what happened to this cherubic and innocent child. There are dozens of sources, collateral interviews, forensic experts and legal analysts that also contribute to my series and have done so because of their belief that my motivation is to bring to light information and opinions in such a way that would almost “require” a focused review of Kyron’s case and the likely shaking of that proverbial tree everyone talks about.
Set to publish about 6-ish weeks ago I was asked to postpone the first installment of the series, which I did. I subsequently learned Ms. Horman was participating in the Dr. Phil program after she completed taping. Dr. Phils producers were well aware that Ms. Horman had interviewed with me extensively, and anticipated my series would be publishing information that was not known to the public previously in the days prior to her scheduled episode. When Ms. Horman conveyed to me that she feels obligated to speak out about “her son” in any national medium that will have her, I most certainly respected that. I still do.
While Dr. Phil seems like a gregarious fellow for sure, I have zero interest in being associated with his program, nor do I believe his shows content is designed to do any furtherance of investigation or truth. There is much concern (although I have no affiliation to the show whatsoever) that the timing of the publication of my series on the Kyron Horman matter might be interpreted differently or inadvertently contribute to the programs content or audience reactions. Not what I signed on for. A missing 7 year old boy six years running is not a framework for entertaining a target audience. He is not fodder for online social media bully campaigns- yet it occurs.
I will be publishing my series on Kyron’s case at a later date, in it’s entirety with no editing adjustments as a result of any of the appearances on Dr. Phil. I appreciate your patience and your understanding. Feel free to discuss the show below.
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If the new sheriff expects employees to be fully forthcoming regarding audit questions, he needs to look no farther than the previous management to get the answer. Working in a threatening environment where one could be fired for the smallest infraction or unpleasing information would make one very careful in answering questions for an audit.
Staton has put a stain on MCSO that will take a decade or more to correct.
Earlier in March, the DA’s office did uphold a PPS decision to withhold records from the Portland Tribune regarding a para educator who was disciplined at George Middle School. In that March 8 opinion, the office determined that since the employee did something wrong but the resulting discipline was satisfactory to the school, the employee and the family, the records were not public.
http://www.pamplinmedia.com/pt/9-news/351888-231430-portland-public-schools-will-sue-reporter-and-parent-to-block-release-of-records
This is the records request the above report is referring to:
Portland Tribune (Moore) 17-16
Petitioner’s request seeking disciplinary records from Portland Public Schools.
http://mcda.us/index.php/about-the-da/public-records-request/
It appears some instructional aide at George Middle school circulated a photo of a student urinating .
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Didn’t a para from Skyline go to George? Not saying it’s this person, but just wondering if I have my schools mixed up?
well maybe the nothing burger will lead some previously
publically deceptive DA office or LE dept to proclaiming, then investigating, the Basic Fact
that Kyron left with an unknown male who lured him and deceived a schoolemployee.
Deceiving a teacher shoukd’ve really bothered PPS and the Union after the
tort S of L on negligance had run. That PPS Legal, Jolee P, was way inept.
because by now it is in 2 DAs’ best interest to discredit mother and her
Medford PD husband’s agenda. If Rod can’t see that, he’s inept,
Never happen. That will lead to an onslaught of public info requests, liability or negligence re-setting in which publicly interested folks that are interested in public safety are being denied the right to that information.
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@TRuth. this explains that suit, and another one
http://www.oregonlive.com/education/index.ssf/2017/04/portland_public_schools_logic.html#incart_river_index
Contracted out Blink? The infamous inhouse legal counsel for pps Jolee Patterson recently left for Miller Nash, the outside firm.
One assumes the upcoming construction bond’s lobbyingeffort in part led to Patterson situating herself in the private school lobbying firm this go-round: Broke the law on the last one.
https://www.google.com/amp/www.oregonlive.com/articles/6890881/portland_public_schools_superi.amp
she was there in 2010. and has been close to Carol.
http://www.opb.org/news/series/lead/portland-schools-lawyer-jollee-patterson-resigns/
She was Legal Counsel when lead level testing in 2010-12 revealed excessive levels but was not disclosed to public, or supposedly the Supt.
http://www.wweek.com/news/2016/05/31/portland-schools-with-elevated-lead-levels-between-2010-and-2012-the-list/
Guisto and his legacy deputies (ie an early investigator in Kyron case) could be the most culpable re ethics underperformance if not for the fact Terry Schrunk preceded him and after (was it a 7 yr reign?) left his own legacy deputies. Imo it is not fear of reporting violation due to a hostile worksite under Staton, it is the underlying pervasive wont of ethics in investigation, arrests, & prosecutions themselves. Not to mention ethical mgmt. And the local Dem partykeadership and voters are to blame for decades.
I personally believe they spent so much money and manpower, perm retirement funds and legal payouts associated with all of them venturing out on the Terri Horman branch once it broke off- they are still grabbing at the tiny saplings to break the fall on the way down. Most certainly is a good way to keep folks in the party line.
A thought- you have seen me mention Russ Faria a few times (as one example).
http://www.nbcnews.com/dateline/wrongfully-convicted-russ-faria-sues-prosecutor-police-department-n613471
The problem here is not just a wrongful conviction suit- in my view, it is flat out negligence on behalf of the prosecutors and investigators and the “real killer” they refused to investigate or allow the def to bring up at trial #1- KILLED ANOTHER. Imagine that lawsuit should anyone have standing to the victim to do so.
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Keefer and his head Special Educator went to George. I do not recall paras following.
But iirc Keefer moved to Vernon Sept 2015.
Maybe this was why. Imo the only greater MS punishment than George was likely Vernon. There are 3 minority underperforming MS iirc. Ought to be some class action forcing integration by parents imo. Many Districts do it bytu the minority middles into magnets, ie arts, STEM. Tho right now the focus is separating out middles from Carol’s k-8 brainstorm.
Who was the Spec Edu head?
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Rose, I went back and caught that. Glad it’s not just me. Thanks.
Good to know.
erose says:
April 20, 2017 at 1:20 am
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So far.
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So where did he get the picture???? Did he take it or did someone send it to him and who did he show it to?
T. Ruth says:
April 20, 2017 at 4:58 pm
Lou Terrones iirc. He had just recently gotten his Spec Ed degree with certification in Basic Life Skills in the State of CA. Iirc this was his first job after that and first in pps, but I don’t recall if ge was on thise new teacher probation lists with Porter. He was a runner like Rod and Reese and marshman iirc. married iirc. Also not at Skyline that day iirc. either at a central office iep or training or medical apptmt. reason there was a para sub there that day iirc. I think he was about 35 in 2010.
Thank you Rose.
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If Kyle’s kgw spot with followup Desiree interviews (lead horse broadcasting after her cart)
was the first Roseburg PD heard after 23 years, and not even the courtesy from mcso/da in 6 years, I bet the alleged victim is one mad man at Kyle. Who btw could take over sensationalism broadcasting from Alex Jones who is self-destructing in a custody trial.
I should clarify for readers- it is my understanding that yes, the mfh allegation via Sean Rea was never reported to Roseberg- until Kyle allegedly requested a public records request. I do not know the content of that request exactly. The rest was uttered by Iboshi who is apparently vouching for Rea’s credibility by publishing same.
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Here is LT’s current LinkedIn. He is currently a functional skills teacher for PPS. Are you saying he was head Spec Ed for Skyline, or PPS? If so was he demoted as head?
https://www.linkedin.com/in/louis-terrones-aaa88041
Terrones got a 5 yr badge in 5/13, thus he came from CA and to Skyline in fall 2008.
http://www.pps.net/cms/lib8/OR01913224/Centricity/domain/219/board%20meeting%20materials/05-06-24_Final_Packet.pdf
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LT is no longer on George staff.
idk when he left. keefer went to vernon fall 2015.
but he’s not at Vernon.
Maybe George was to punish him like keefer.
maybe he left teaching after Keefer left
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If a behaviorist was observing an already iep’d child in
kyron’s room, likely LT had been involved
with that kid since 2008.
Rose answered my question back in ’15.
Rose says:
April 9, 2015 at 6:40 pm
RS was a paraeducator.
imo It is unusual to have a male paraeducator in eled.
It is my guess there was a “Basic Life Skills” child at Skyline at the time requiring intensive services.
(think toileting, sitting in a chair, staying in a line, eating skills)-ie 1 on 1.
Lou Terrones was a new Oregon hire “captain” of the Skyline sped ship but his Calif license cert was also Basic Life Skills, not say Reading, & he too left soon after to Keefer’s next school for that type of work. They were mismatches for Skyline imo. Perhaps Salvia followed a particular child to the next school.
http://blinkoncrime.com/2013/12/31/kyron-horman-missing-new-years-eve-settlement-ends-horman-marriage/comment-page-196/
here’s the thing Blink, Soldier has on her FB a picture with an arrow to ckick that says Desiree’s phone interview (with Kyle. One clicks for the audio. In her same post Soldier associates a kgw url as though it is to that audio, but click on the url and I at least don’t see Desiree’spic and phone interview.
On it Desiree says she and Tony have waited since 2011 for Douglas Cty DA to charge Terri.
So imo this whole episode was Desiree’s end run of the DA shops
to bring to bear public pressure (Soldier has published all
means of contact to that DA) to the Douglas DA, and if mcso/da had never informed Roseburg PD, then on MCSO/DA as well. I bet those 2 DAs just love Desiree the Desperate now.
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The interesting thing is Desiree specifically mentions Tony, and fully puts Tony as a coequal on this crusade for the Douglas DA to indict and arrest Terri on this charge. Beside the point , if Desiree said that truthfully, is then Tony’s utter lack of knowledge the elements of a of a mfh, Or, he doesn’t care about legal conviction elements as long as the person his ear and gut singles out is “held accountable.”
My takeaway is we thought Desiree had, distraught,
driven her own train wreck since 2012 anyway.
I have now opened my mind to suggest Tony has been driving all
of Desiree’s beliefs about the investigation, its only suspect,
and Desiree’s tactics and strategies, since 6/4/10.
If I were Kaine, I’d be livid.
Rose, I am one of those folks who has come to believe Desiree is far more “legally” savvy than she lets on publicly. We have all seen her make public appearances and commentary, file and withdraw a civil suit, and as much as it pains me to say- outright lie in interviews. I guess in fairness in some instances she may have been prompted to, others perhaps to solicit a response from Terri.
My bottom line on Ms. Young besides the deepest feelings of compassion I will ALWAYS have for her, is that for reasons of emotional self preservation she is not remotely interested in any scenario where Terri is not involved in Kyron’s disappearance. Without an alternative resolution known to her (knowing about SZ still leads to TMH for her) she has the benefit (to her soul, psyche) of ignoring the possibility that Kyron was abducted by a random predator by opportunity.
In that sense, I see that as the single thread that continues to bind she and Kaine- as long as MCSO flexes their divining rod towards Terri from every compass angle (it seems) that particular apple cart stays upright.
Tony is a cop. Like most, he has zero experience in missing and abducted children cases. I have been trained (re child sex predators as a distillation of criminal sexual deviant behavioral analysis) under the dude who wrote the specs on CARD long before it was CARD. He wrote the manual for.. you guessed it- The National Center for Missing and Exploited Children. With BAU/BSU colleagues he conducted analytical research and produced study results the FBI uses for baseline training to this day. There is simply no stronger expert in the World on child abduction alive today (this is an oversimplification on my part and not meant to limit his scope of expertise) and Fed child porn laws that actually were used against Logan Storm ultimately were written in part by him to supersede the loophole in some State laws. I apologize for repeating myself but while Tony is a cop, he is also a co-parent by extension and we are all painfully aware of that blue line ideal- I could see how someone in a support role is not telling someone they highly doubt is even “present” to process the intel that the probability of Kyron’s fate was that he was murdered within 72 hours of 9:20-10:05AM on June 4, 2010.
Putting aside training and knowledge for a second- it simply does not make sense on any level that even if they believe Terri is involved, and they KNOW about SZ, that Desiree and Kaine actually believe Kyron is alive and ok- as in, time is of no essence “this is a marathon not a sprint”. Um, what the eff did he just say about a 7 year old ?
Adding to the list of “opinions” here- would be a group of colleagues I actually trained with in 2012. They are entitled to their privacy and in fairness, I knew a few by name (not saying how, you people are too quick) and I did not announce my work on Kyron’s case. I will say that the LEA’s I met and sat in class with for a week (and that may include not just Det’s but members of a DA office they serve) and discussed Kyron’s case with- unanimously believed Kyron was dead. Long way around to say that I believe anyone close to the parents are going to be “with the program” of support or not around the parents. To the greatest extent, this is about coping in the present for these people, WITH a steady diet of LE 5 hour energy drinks courtesy of MCSO/MCDA to keep that green curtain high and tight. I can also say that if DY and KH are in therapy re Kyron’s disappearance for themselves, they are being counseled to cope with only facts. There is no prep plan for eventual confirmation of the most insidious and consuming grief one can think of.
As I have said before, no. No, this is not typical of any parent of a missing child or adult child I have ever worked with, studied, contributed to its case or any other permutation at the 7 year mark. If I were to provide a guesstimate of time elapsed before parents reach the conclusion their child is not returning to them via the efforts of whatever agency is in charge, I would say it is definitely circumstances dependent, but in a general sense despite LE’s best efforts to dissuade the lack of faith U turn, about 18-24 mos. Here we are approaching the 7 year mark and as God is my witness I have every confidence that the recent LE mobile lynch brigades are proof positive that MCSO is no closer to finding SZ, Kyron, or his fate than they were on June 4, 2010. I wish to Hell I felt differently, but I honestly do not even believe finding Kyron is their goal any longer unless in some way they feel it can result in Terri’s “real or perceived” involvement. All of this AND at no time since June 2010 has any LEO ever contacted Houze to arrange an interview with their prime defacto suspect. Not going to happen, but I would most certainly like a reporter to ask an actual salient question like that of Tony Young, detective with Medford Police.
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On PPS website wrt spec ed where the 2008 manual was replaced in 2014, and I see the volunteer tab on the top page. Click on that and it says essentially PPS loves it’s volunteers. Blink, did anyone ever get a comprehensive list of who the volunteers were at Skyline that day? The approx. 10 am departure of Kyron and SZ would coincide with volunteers leaving the building and couldn’t a volunteer have easily asked EM for a Kyron’s help. Who did she think the man was who asked her for Kyron help?
http://www.pps.net/Page/609
I would not characterize the volunteer list as comprehensive in the first place, assuming we are talking about the self report sign in- I am told the list from 6/4/10 was removed (unlike previous) and when parents asked to see it was told by Susan Hall she did not know its whereabouts. My timing on Kyron, which I believe strongly is the window in which (at the very least) he left the classroom with SZ, is based on multiple witnesses and timestamped images I reviewed with META intact. It was later ( I sat on it until I could effectively verify) corrected by Staton himself that Kyron was seen later than they thought. It should be noted that this is also why Spicher was dragged into this (as a timeline matter I mention this) it was confirmed Kyron did not leave with Terri, that Terri was in fact on CCTV and Spicher arrives at work and was receiving her assignments for the day with multiple witnesses all at the same time.
As I write this, it is pretty outrageous to this day that no LE Agency has provided the specific timeline in question to stimulate public participation and jog witness memory- Hell, how about asking for the damn pics? Hasn’t happened to my knowledge. What if someone saw something but is assuming it is not relevant or that DY’s protestations Kyron left with Terri are accurate and is thwarting a witness coming forward?
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If Rees did not report Sean’s allegation to Roseburg PD, the only
inference is he concluded either Rea perjured himself before
the GJ , OR no elements
of a MFH were present.
The Young’s’ substituting their ideation
for professionals, and here I hold Tony responsible as Desiree
has said she fully leaned on him, has been tragic for kyron.
Blink, when did Tony enter Kyron’s life for the first time?
I know he was verifiably in Medford 6/4, but he had lots of brothers in blue and contact with lotsa criminals in his profession. not suggesting anything; just curious. Now that I think for serious based on Desiree’s audio re the Rea accountability gambit that he’s been driving the bio’s train over TH’s body since 6/4/10.
Within weeks of her return from CA Desiree met Tony at the bank where she was employed ( I know the branch, irrelevant to the issue) where he was investigating potential check fraud. They eloped the Summer before June 2010 and were planning a family ceremony for the Summer when Kyron would be there over the 6 week period.
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wrt ” This poor child. No Mother and no child deserve the fate befallen little Kyron Horman. B”
Who knew K had the most F’d up family probably in theschool?
Previously “distant” birthmother was just then, after stabilizing,
trying to connect with her 2 progeny.
Caregiving mother likely planned to flee the marriage
after extricating his functional brother James.
I figure Kim Homes knew. anyone else? ideas Kwel?
I would offer that by contrast I don’t believe that Kyron’s family had the most f’d up family at Skyline, I don’t have a stat barometer to go by, but I was very surprised given the size of the matriculation and peer class size at the number of kids who were not even being raised by their actual parents. Sad.
Yes, I believe that the Horman marriage was failing, but I am not sure I believe that Terri was looking to leave the marriage as much as she was threatening to do so to get Kaine “in line”. This is my opinion only, not something that was told to me in an interview scenario. I say this because I truly believe if it was Terri’s objective to separate from Kaine, she would have refused LE interviews and hired a Family lawyer immediately (like Kaine did). She was aware (imo) that she risked being cut off from the family finances (which she was) and according to Spicher until the “sting” she still found her pretty protective of Kaine overall.
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can anyone ascertain which school the 2010
Skyline Resource teacher is/was at 2015-present.
if he is still with pps? (not that i’d blame him if he was not.)
also on line at the time,
Terrones was head of a Skyline
school running team. idk if the kids ever
competed anywhere.
i had forgotten that until K’s half brother went to live with their birth mother in medford, running was his brother’s high school extracurricular. worth asking Terri if, emulating him, Kyron ever went to Terrones’ 2009-10 Skyline running club. maybe she didn’t know what teacher was in charge.
middle initial N. now residing in vancouver WA.
the school running club the Eagles
had no activity after he left for George.
a shame the newsletter EaglesNest folded under Sage.
2 PTA leaders eventually got Skyline jobs (tech and library).
big on fundraising; bad on advocacy viz pps
for a child a teacher ok’d walking out with a
stranger.
now teaching in Kitsap WA wherever that is
http://data.kitsapsun.com/projects/wa-school/staff/532028H/
and did get that sped degree with CA license in 2007 before going
to Skyline in 2008.
I erred pic online = @ the HS in Battle Ground WA.
pics of HS population look white & rural. change from George.
one Indio CA boy
http://www.kesq.com/news/special-reports/kesq-investigates-26-year-search-for-missing-pinyon-pines-boy/401158996
and another
https://www.google.com/amp/s/patch.com/california/banning-beaumont/amp/889120/anthonys-mother-now-we-can-mourn
You have heard me comment on Duncan previously. In my view, we have no true idea the extent of his victims or his pathology. Not really.
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Don’t know if anyone else does, but I still have a comment hanging out from the 20th. (I always go back a page to make sure I didn’t miss anyone’s.)
Gotcha T. Ruth- thanks for the reminder.
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Haven’t been to the BKH page for a while, but I don’t remember seeing this, and it makes me wonder if this information was added AFTER DY’s pages started asking for tips to be sent directly to them (which it no longer does btw.)
“Here are some helpful “do’s and don’ts” when reporting tips so we can help investigators as much as possible.
DO NOT call or report tips through any other hotline, email address, or agency
with the case still being actively investigated reporting to other agencies just delays your tip from getting to investigators and will often times not include all information you may have provided
Multnomah County Sherriff’s Office is THE lead agency investigating so we need to make sure they get the info as fast as possible”
http://www.bringkyronhome.org/how-you-can-help/
Oh my. Clearly nobody from CARD contributed to the content on that site. They literally advise in one sentence he may be threatened or experiencing threat to his family if he is identified and then suggest if one believes he is stopped, to call him by his name publicly and see what happens. Just wtf is wrong with people?
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Rose says:
April 21, 2017 at 7:04 pm
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I have every confidence that the recent LE mobile lynch brigades are proof positive that MCSO is no closer to finding SZ, Kyron, or his fate than they were on June 4, 2010. I wish to Hell I felt differently, but I honestly do not even believe finding Kyron is their goal any longer unless in some way they feel it can result in Terri’s “real or perceived” involvement. All of this AND at no time since June 2010 has any LEO ever contacted Houze to arrange an interview with their prime defacto suspect.
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Its almost like MCSO has turned the MFH evidence from 27 years ago over to Roseburg and now getting TH prosecuted for anything/something as DY and TY want is Douglas County’s problem. It is pretty clear from DY’s public statements that DY does not give a flip about the MFH accusation or public safety she just wants Douglas county to provide her with her pound of flesh concerning TH.
To clarify… MCSO DID NOT turn over anything to DOuglas County or Roseburg Police. MCSO MAY have been investigating a crime outside of their jurisdiction (I DO NOT BELIEVE THIS For a Minute) but Rea’s allegation was never made to Roseburg although Rea has a criminal record. Kyle Iboshi, through his alleged interview with Rea, brought this to the attention of Roseburg with no verification, corroboration or comment through MCSO- who Rea alleges he was interviewed by and supplied an incarcerated witness of some kind claiming (presumably) he is the bearer or brandisher of a weapon intended for Rea (in some fashion) I think the confusion comes from poorly worded phrasing- and of course the fact that Kyle Iboshi, through his network outlet is accusing a private citizen of a capital offense.
I mean, I think the confusion comes from the fact that grown ass professionals are treating criminal due process like bounty hunting for actual criminals. If Rod Underhill is not a raging alcoholic over this chronic fiasco he has my full compliments. With a pepcid chaser.
Other climate issue: http://kcby.com/news/local/roseburg-police-arrest-sheriffs-son-on-charges-of-duii-hit-and-run
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Observation: TMH has never once bashed Desiree,
exposed her lies, or Tony.
Despite the severest provocation.
Credit where due.
Kitsap is a county West of Seattle. A small county made up of islands. The largest city is Bremerton.
Bremerton is the site of one of the plants used to make U-235 for the first atomic bomb in WWII. One of my cousins was lead engineer on the plant construction.
Oh my. Clearly nobody from CARD contributed to the content on that site. They literally advise in one sentence he may be threatened or experiencing threat to his family if he is identified and then suggest if one believes he is stopped, to call him by his name publicly and see what happens. Just wtf is wrong with people?
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IKR? Made no sense to me either. I hoped whomever was reading that, would realize the harm that could cause, unless they were completely alone with the child. (Doubtful scenario.)
I do wonder, though, if Mr. Horman was directly aiming at DY & associates, with the don’t call in tips anywhere but MCSO part. That being said, I wonder why he didn’t include the FBI or NCMEC site, as additional places to notify the authorities with tips.
I do believe it was intended to identify the proper agency. That said, the FBI poster does allow for tips to its office potentially: https://www.fbi.gov/wanted/kidnap/kyron-richard-horman.
How many tips do we believe are coming into MCSO for real?
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“Rea said Multnomah County investigators told him a prison inmate had confessed to taking part in a murder-for-hire plot decades ago in Roseburg. He recalled investigators telling him the unnamed inmate independently provided specific details that matched Rea’s account.
Rea said detectives drove him back to Roseburg in 2011 to identify the park where the incident allegedly occurred. He said he was also called to testify before a grand jury in Multnomah County.”
(snipped)
http://www.kgw.com/news/investigations/terri-hormans-former-boyfriend-alleges-another-murder-for-hire-plot/432261285
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@Blink
I’m confused, if Rea went before the GJ, then it certainly sounds to me as if MCSO was investigating this “Roseburg” allegation back in 2011.
Not their jurisdiction, HOWEVER, that does not mean during MCSO investigation of Terri Horman they were not attempting to verify Rea’s statement, or through inter-agency assistance requests investigating Terri’s background while there- in fact I am aware that occurred. That said, admissible evidence development and chain of custody is the criminal justice agency of records burden.
This was another one of Bobby ODonell’s “fine messes.” A bit of a funny story on that- a source I will not identify provided a police report to me, filed by a Moulton neighbor concerned about a suspicious black Ford Explorer parked at the end of their street with a man sitting in it (plain clothes) for hours in 2011. This happened a few times, but I am expressly referring to a date in 2011 I am not disclosing.
It was registered to O’Donell. As I recall this was right around the time Terri and her Mother were featured on the news taking a walk suddenly.
It is possible (I suppose) that MCSO could have updated their investigative database only available to LE and Roseburg just never followed up or opened a case file- but they would be in violation of policy as I pointed out previously.
As an analogy, Bobby O’Donnell is the Steve Thomas of the Horman case sans the charisma or publishing deal.
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This website says it was from 2015. RS says he’s been with Kumon for 8 years. Wasn’t RS working at Skyline in 2010 when Kyron went missing? Was he actually working for Kumon then, and were there ever other teachers from Kumon assisting students at Skyline?
(Odd little smiley they use in their logo, isn’t it?)
https://www.kumon.com/portland-hollywood/instructor
Blink said “Tony is a cop. Like most, he has zero experience in missing and abducted children cases”
and also
“while Tony is a cop, he is also a co-parent by extension and we are all painfully aware of that blue line ideal- I could see how someone in a support role is not telling someone they highly doubt is even “present” to process …”
and
“No, this is not typical of any parent of a missing child or adult child I have ever worked with, studied, contributed to its case or any other permutation at the 7 year mark…”
http://blinkoncrime.com/2016/09/21/dr-phil-show-hosts-missing-portland-child-kyron-hormans-step-mom-terri-horman-over-two-episodes/#comments
That was why I asked Tony’s former exposures to Kyron and for how many years and in what capacity.
It sounds like Desiree went to northern Washington State and Canada when Kyron was about 3? So maybe returned when he was 4? So she and Tony met and you said moved in together quickly? So, Kyron was exposed to him as mother’s resident boyfriend say once a month and for two summer vacations (over 3 yrs in all) and 9 months before as his new stepfather?
So, at most he had episodic visits to a home where Tony resided but had no relationship to him by blood or marriage until recently. That puts Tony himself for his OWN psychological attachment is more or less the role of a benign uncle by marriage – his girlfriend’s then wife’s
kid whom he sees only on “visits” and has no real responsibility for or too. Sure he enjoyed fishing and swimming or whatever with him on “visits,” I would not call Tony for that length of time in that role very psychologically attached to Kyron. Imo what he was attached to was heroically solving this crime in the eyes of the public, the parents, and his colleagues.
And, I don’t think the parents drove their own investigation train. Imo they deferred to Tony who painted and still paints himself to Desiree as an expert on this very type of case.
Desiree relied on him from the first night. He lectured the parents on how the abduction would affect their lives and nothing would be private. He was the family spokesman at the first media TV show. He graciously let father talk a little at the end. Desiree always quotes him wrt the activities addressing Terri. He stated on TV flatly he believed Terri did this. He has never waivered. He says no physical evidence is needed, circumstantial is enough.
So, Blink, that is why these two parents are not behaving like any parent in any abducted child’s case after 7 years. Imo Tony is driving this investigation train, not the parents. Kaine showed a little light (acknowledged SZ) after he and Desiree were not speaking was aired on Phil. But, I suggest he still trusts Tony’s view of the case management and goals. and Tony does not have the psychological attachment to Kyron of either parent or even of a co-parent. He might have had Kyron resided with them fulltime for 3 years and he took on some parenting responsibility other than fishing. But, Kyron was an infrequent visitor.
awaiting 3:00 perf by dau’s future MM teacher (in TX, atg), so fistracted reading & typing.
MCSO could not open an investigation in another County. They could drive a vic elsewhere for background on their own. If mcdawaspresenting vic to GJ, shoukd’ve required vic to file a police report in Roseburg to show goid faith first.
Yes, correct in theory. However, it is customary for LE as a jurisdictional courtesy to inform the jurisdiction they are traveling to that they will be chauffering their witness on grounds for a criminal matter in their jurisdiction. That is also taking for granted we believe a reporter’s account of this activity. O’Donell sitting in his explorer out of his jurisdiction 5 hours away in plain sight has to be off book.
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I would offer that Rea is not a stranger to Douglas Cty/Roseburg LE- so there’s that.
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Where was the “supposed hit man” in custody when he told this story?
Great question Ode. I don’t know that the story isn’t completely made up as a LE tactic to pressure Rea, but I am sure that it is not what led MCSO to Rea.
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salvia was one if 4 paras in sped at Skyline 09-10.
Why would one do that after being a Federal employee at NASA
unkess one was working on a teaching degree?
That the sort of job Kristin held to get a fresh start in a new State.
4 paras are unusually high even for a large k-8. Now there is one.
Being a kumon storefront mgr is doubtless more lucrative. I only
pd attention to janitor and teachers who left. the paras I assumed were reassigned
when a chikd left. wrong. Is he on the list? He might be the para who with Terrones was absent that day.
O’Donnell stalking Terri 5 hrs away, parking on her street (in itselfthreatening), off the books, reminded me of his stalking a wife who was divorcing him and her enamorata Lt Ritchie. Found in the Giusto final report, easily googled and opens on Scribed. O’D is pp · 19, 44, 240, 255, 256, 257
256 has the infamous gun incident where O’D stood in front of headqtrs with his gunthreatening to kill Ritchie. So he doesn’t walk away when fixated. He shoukd’ve been put on leave and required to have a credible forensic psychological before return to duty. Ritchie himself is a scream. He says he didn’t date laura til after the divorce, then says only 2 weeks after the divorce he discussed with her whether to inform O’D of their relationship. In fact stalking Terri is like Amanda the us attorney stalking (driving by the home of) her supervisee.
I am beginning to believe that GRIMM series may have been non-fiction.
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re ” with a man sitting in it (plain clothes) for hours in 2011. ”
You are generous Blink. I bet he got overtime or off the books credit toward a vacay.
probably billed for mileage too imo.
Now that one sees the sped at Skyline 2008-11 whom I thought was the only teaching staff member who went with Keefer to George MS because those two were tight, and maybe because his CA license had a certification in basic life skills and I thot maybe no kids left at Skyline needed a self-contained room, left for Battleground WA 0HS in 2015 when Keefer went to Vernon, I think he must’ve been sent to George as something of a punishment like Keefer because of who knows why. But he is c55. He got his masters in sped at an older age iirc, in 2007 he was c 45. I think (haven’t looked closely), so why would he change State retirement systems when he had 7 years at an older age in Multnomah. First I thot I’d ask MBS if county teachers are part of a State rather than a County retirement system, and they probably are so they can change counties like that great PPS HS principal who has just fled to Clackamus HS. But, he changed States and retirement systems entirely at an older age. And maybe Oregon would’ve vested after l0 years if he’d held out. George must have had a horrible environment of a self contained room and student population for him to abandon the OR PERS retirement system, but more importantly, apparently he saw no way out to ever promote to a white at least middle class school like Skyline was again.
ex-wife btw put an RO on O’D.
Briefly, yes. He was brandishing a weapon and screaming as I recall. They were married and recently separated at the time and her new suitor was his fellow officer, or an acting supvsr to him- I think that was murky in the report.
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iirc both
Walls and Krafve were interviewed in the Guisto report. Two of Guisto’s legacy deputies are now mcso leadership investigators.
Q for MBS. if a teacher moves to Oregon with an out of State license, does teacher have a certain no of years to get an in-Oregon license?
“someone maybe interesting I can’t access as not on linkedin
Jim Flippen | LinkedIn
https://www.linkedin.com/in/jim-flippen-ab54601a
Graphic Artist and IT · Information Technology and Services · 32 connections · Turlock, California”
View Jim Flippen’s professional profile on LinkedIn. … Bobby O’Donnell. Police Officer at Multnomah County Sheriffs Office. Kristie McDivitt.
came up with Bobby O’D on his LI.
apparently an entry level PC Tech at a CA school district.
other at least one other mcso personnel is on his LI. Did he used to live in Portland? was a PC support tech for PPS? How does he get friendly with mcso folks like O’D?
It would seem with all of TH’s legal woes that a vigilant effort has gone to vigilante, and I agree with Rose that TY plays a large part in this due to his professional connections. I think people with criminal records who might be caught engaging in same or other criminal activities could be coerced into saying just about anything. I am now waiting for the kid she knew in kindergarten to come forward with a negative experience with her.
Agreed with Desiree, not with Kaine. It may surprise you but I personally do not believe Kaine thinks Terri is directly involved. He may believe Kyron’s disappearance could be linked to her behavior, circle, life choices, etc, but I truly do not believe Kaine thinks TMH masterminded Kyron’s death or abduction. I do not suspect he will ever admit that publicly and I think it has everything to do with Kiara custody and disollution distribution.
For me, I am not satisfied any parent of Kyron’s possible “behavior”, circle, life choices, career, can be excluded as a possible motivation for his abduction and fate. I do not believe any of them are involved directly, they may have zero clue- but I have never been able to completely rule it out and I don’t see how LE could when they have not identified SZ in the first place- and Kaine has stated that publicly.
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ot If I wantedto leave pps or were a retired teacher, what a glorious gig this would be in Myannmar
https://www.peacecorps.gov/volunteer/volunteer-openings/secondary-education-english-teacher-4646br/