Dr. Phil Show Hosts Missing Portland Child Kyron Horman’s Step Mom Terri Horman Over Two Episodes

I have been covering this case since Kyron Horman disappeared from Skyline School in June, 2010.    Like most missing persons cases I have covered in the past,  I am of the strong opinion that best efforts at the truth are the only way to propel investigations that, similarly to Kyron’s, have gone cold for one reason or another.   This approach has worked in resolving some of my previous cases.    I am proud of that.  I remain steadfast to the integrity involved in those and future cases.

Over the past 10 months (or so) I have been developing an updated series on Kyron’s case to include my multiple interviews with Kyron’s step-mom,  Terri Horman.   Needless to say as she was the subject of at least three simultaneous cases before an Oregon court and remains a person of interest by the agency investigating her sons disappearance, this has been an arduous and sometimes delicate journey.    Ms. Horman’s experiences during the ongoing investigation of the disappearance of Kyron Horman are critically important to propelling his case and with great hope- finding the truth about what happened to this cherubic and innocent child.    There are dozens of sources,  collateral interviews, forensic experts and legal analysts that also contribute to my series and have done so because of their belief that my motivation is to bring to light information and opinions in such a way that would almost “require” a focused review of Kyron’s case and the likely shaking of that proverbial tree everyone talks about.

Set to publish about 6-ish weeks ago I was asked to postpone the first installment of the series, which I did.  I subsequently learned Ms. Horman was participating in the Dr. Phil program after she completed taping.  Dr. Phils producers were well aware that Ms. Horman had interviewed with me extensively, and anticipated my series would be publishing information that was not known to the public previously in the days prior to her scheduled episode.    When Ms. Horman conveyed to me that she feels obligated to speak out about “her son” in any national medium that will have her,   I most certainly respected that.  I still do.

While Dr. Phil seems like a gregarious fellow for sure,   I have zero interest in being associated with his program, nor do I believe his shows content is designed to do any furtherance of investigation or truth.  There is much concern (although I have no affiliation to the show whatsoever) that the timing of the publication of my series on the Kyron Horman matter might be interpreted differently or inadvertently contribute to the programs content or audience reactions.     Not what I signed on for.   A missing 7 year old boy six years running is not a framework for entertaining a target audience.   He is not fodder for online social media bully campaigns- yet it occurs.

I will be publishing my series on Kyron’s case at a later date, in it’s entirety with no editing adjustments as a result of any of the appearances on Dr. Phil.   I appreciate your patience and your understanding.   Feel free to discuss the show below.

 

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  1. A Texas Grandfather says:

    If there was truly a mental problem with Kyron, it could have been triggered by what was going on at home. Based on all the things that have been uncovered such as the sexual proclivities of Kaine Horman and his steroid use as early as 2005 and other possible behaviors unknown to us.

    Children are curious by nature. That is how they learn. Kyron could have witnessed things that he did not understand and that could have been the prime reason he was restricted to his bed and room after a certain time in the evening.

    Terri was probably on the right track when she tried to do what a concerned woman would do for a husband that was making bad decisions regarding the use of steriods. However, she was very handicapped in this endeavor. She was not the mother of Kyron,in the legal sense, even though she probably fulfilled the mother role as well as she could and a lot better than his mentally challenged bio mother.

    The key begins at the school and the removal of all authority of MCSO and the county justice system from the case. An outside specially trained cold case organization may be able to find the trail of facts that will solve it including finding Kyron.

  2. A Texas Grandfather says:

    Rose

    I like your idea of a digital record across all forms of media for the schools. One of the things that such a project will likely have to consider is providing the digital record in such a way as to be reproduced using current equipment and future equipment.

    Our oldest daughter ran into this in working with her church. She had some videos made on tape that she wanted to share with the children. The problem was the playback equipment was no longer manufactured and the church did not have a unit. I have a working unit, but would not in today’s environment allow it to leave my premises. Too many children are not taught to take care of things that they own and to respect and care for things owned by others.

    I could use a three-step process to move the information to a medium such as a solid state disk that could be used at the church or elsewhere. She can’t do it herself because she lacks equipment and knowledge. This is where a person knowledgeable in electronics is valuable in a project such as you suggested.

  3. Rose says:

    Thank you for making me current on that information Rose.

    B

  4. thatkewlgirl says:

    New updated composite picture of Kyron released… Caught a clip on KEZI tonight, will link here when I see it come out… or someone else finds it.

    To me, this looks like Kyron. It seems to use his brother/mother influence more than the last one. When I look at it, it looks right to me…

    So far, haven’t found the link … watch this space ;)

  5. thatkewlgirl says:

    Here’s the link from Medford media outlet…

    http://ktvl.com/news/local/new-age-progressed-photo-released-of-kyron-horman

  6. thatkewlgirl says:

    And… looks like it’s part of a planned digital billboard ad marketing strategy.

    http://ktvl.com/news/local/digital-billboards-with-missing-kyron-hormans-face

    Thank you TKG
    B

  7. Rose says:

    Waiting for others’ take on the age-enhanced.

    I am reminded the 2 female Davidsons said last Nov they were working with
    “LE partners” to develop it. I believe i see a maternal family influence in the
    product, myself.

  8. thatkewlgirl says:

    Btw… the bias is dripping in both of those links… clearly coming from Medford Mama’s camp. But I do think this is a good move to get Kyron’s face out there (and what I think he’d look like too), even if I don’t agree with their manipulation (it won’t help find Kyron if a SZ is behind his disappearance, when they are directing viewers to implement only one person… they won’t even consider that the fella down the street from them, for example, is harboring this missing child if they think some gun stealing red head in Calif is at fault… just sayin… they need to THINK about public eyes looking and not revenge when they market this child… IMO

  9. thatkewlgirl says:

    Oh, and hey… Missing Children day in Salem… story on KATU… big pic of Medford Mama, not the updated pic of Kyron… I guess it’s more important to know who SHE is… sad.

    http://katu.com/news/local/kyron-hormans-mother-to-speak-on-national-missing-childrens-day-in-salem

  10. A Texas Grandfather says:

    Thanks for the updates TKG. Maybe something will come of this effort.

    I hope the media will make the effort to point at finding Kyron rather than making the bio mom the center of attention.

  11. Rose says:

    As I pondered why the two sisters would hold back the LE-designed update (they said last Nov) for 5-6 months for a Missing Childrens’ Day media rollout, the lure to Desiree of being the featured Salem speaker and on TV didn’t seem enough to motivate her to wait. I thought about who was rolling this ad campaign out and what their motives were on timing. and, Why hire a PR agency in Oregon?

    katu said “National Center for Missing and Exploited Children released ..”

    My reaction was their Federal funding budget must be severely in jeopardy under the Mulvaney-released budget.

    I don’t read the site below, just googled the Fed budget for NCMEC and it runs thru the Secret Service agency
    http://newcenturytimes.com/2017/03/22/trump-just-took-money-from-exploited-kids-to-pay-for-trump-tower-and-vacation-expenses-america-should-be-outraged/

    * Just fyi, the secret service may “donate” investigatively somehow to NCMEC, but they do not use funds raised from NCMEC nor do they charge them in any way. Looks like a fake news item, lol. That writer is incorrect and should have reviewed MCMEC 990′s before making such an allegation.

    AND a one-time Act funded only thru fiscal year 2018
    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Missing_Children%27s_Assistance_Reauthorization_Act_of_2013

    In short, NCMEC faces a major funding crisis under the present administration which must be resolved in the upcoming Fall Congressional budget appropriations. .

    I think people will be surprised at the fiscal size and scope of NCMEC and how much of their income comes from grants and Fed funds, but I also think they would be shocked to see the salaries of those involved and their vendor contract amounts (nearly $300K in legal services a year) most especially considering the bill is designed to monitor egregious salaries, to wit:
    “…Strengthen OJJDP’s oversight and accountability and codify current practice by limiting the use of federal funds for employee compensation.[2]..” Top dude makes nearly $500K, head of HR making over $170K. That’s correct, head of HR in a nearly ALL VOLUNTEER $42 mil funded 501c3. Not making any accusations here, but Walsh was a co founder and they pay $18K a year in his medical insurance and his kid is employed by them at $78K a year. These are issues requiring disclosure, imo. I support NCMEC functions greatly, but I would like to review some ROI figures.
    B

    Imo NCMEC was– thru its Ad Agency’s missing kid-marketing roll out and staging in Salem with billboards cross State –targeting as a prospective supporter in the budget fray the lone Republican OR congressman Greg Walden whose district encompasses a lot of the State and is somewhat near Salem.

    Me in black.
    B

  12. Rose says:

    Facebooks for Kyron might constructively conduct a letterwriting campaign nationwide to House members asking them to reauthorize and fully fund (for 5 more years) the Missing Childrens Assistance Act of 2013, and to fully fund the Secret Service mission of forensic and technical support to missing and exploited children.

  13. Rose says:

    Rather than view media links which I figured would intersperse fake facts, I went to the horse’s mouth for straight speech–desiree’s, found on youtube.
    https://youtu.be/OEHLngnGDuE
    Her loss and mourning are so immense, one can see why it’s impossible for her to right the investigation.

    I got more out of her verbal description of Kyron than I get from that picture, not that it’s not a good thing. . And indeed in her conclusion she recounts the picture development to be exactly what I had surmised. She said it’s important to update regularly (last was 2012 iirc) and recounts the process as 1) forensic artist, 2) LE, 3) family members’ same age photos, 4) parents’ final approval. I have never doubted his maternal likeness, and many features are the same. But the picture struck me as the perfect fantasy teen version of Kyron, straight teeth and all, not the smalll, slight boy with obvious challenges. I felt I could see the influence of a reliance on family photos, ie brothers or uncles. The boy in the picture is too “stocky” and “full.”

    I got more from her words:

    “in a group” “the ***smallest in stature***but the brightest…”
    “…may not notice…because he’s
    also the ***quietest***”
    “…he’s a shy kid…”

    she refers to his “Comfort zone”
    That very significant quietness and shyness would have been enough for the trained Terri, had she custody, to take him to a speech-language shop to rule out language or auditory processing issues. And to a neuropsychologist. I’m sure Terri knows but could not say publically the etiology of his visual disability. The interesting thing had DY’s suit continued would have been not just her but Kyron’s medical records.

    She goes on to say his abduction was due to circumstances beyond her control and that abduction itself was highly unlikely. …because he had “rules and boundaries.” “…never let him out of our sight” With what Blink has said he was never left alone even at the school busstop by the Hormans either. So, apparently school (outside of family care) was the only place he COULD be taken from. That posits rather than a mere opportunist (how many act to kidnap from inside a school?), Kyron himself was targeted and very wanted. Imo LE might have put in one theory box a man who crossed kyron’s path and very much identified with kyron. perhaps kyron reminded him of his childhood self: slightest and smallest, tongue-tied and shy, bright but quiet, motor-awkward, big glasses and vision problems, troublesome childhood, conflicted family,

    Kidnapping from a school is rare as are all stranger or unknown offender abductions, this is true. That said, offenses to kids culminating at a school or during a school related activity within “rare” offenses is not. I have personally studied cases involving the FBI of crimes to students by actors unknown to the victims that I can tell you have never made it to the public realm for various reasons. I would add over the years I have developed a distrust of stats and their application to crime reporting AND then I made sure my kids school admin knew my field of study.

    B

  14. Rose says:

    http://thehill.com/policy/energy-environment/308325-walden-to-head-powerful-energy-and-commerce-committee
    Walden has a Medford office
    significant informal and formal power.
    easy to see why both the FBI and NCMEC
    would want to show budget $ being well spent in his District.
    who’d a thunk the House Energy Committee handles tech and health care?

  15. Rose says:

    Imo May is a cruel month for DY.
    In part because it is MCSO’s County Budget time.
    And I notice State Police presented at her ceremony.
    The man in the Big Hat who sat prominently behind
    her speech was State Police iirc. Is it budget time for
    State too? Imo she and kyron are being used for appropriation
    PR purposes at the Federal, State and County LE levels.
    convenient for LE that Kyron was taken in the first week of June.
    That in part is what allowed Staton to spend spend spend on OT in
    June 2010

  16. Rose says:

    Another thing DY mentioned was Kyron loved to play Skylanders with Q. We know Kyron played Wii with Kaine. And apparently to date Q and KH are avid gamers. I do not kniw Skylanders; is it one of those games where one can play in a group whichhas friends (Q, KH) but also of necessity strangers, who expectably are not all children and some likely maladjusted? Did Kyron have access to Wii when either or both adult Hormans were busy? With James’ move, Terri lost an extra set of eyes on Kyron in the home.

    Are you sure she said Skylanders?
    B

  17. Rose says:

    ot one site said this is the owner of privately held Lamar Ad, apparentky incirporated in lake oswego with offices in eugene, salem, portland
    http://www.ngkf.com/home/about-our-firm/global-offices/us-offices/portland/professional-profiles.aspx?d=32676
    imo owning this digital billboard biz, with its corner on airports and
    buses, is likely more lucrative than owning banks, and donations to ncmec or whatever 501c3 are
    smart deductions. His father’s 2014 obit is admirable.

  18. Rose says:

    wish desiree would focus on photos of the science fair event

  19. Rose says:

    it seems the month of June is when the OR legislative houses pass a budget.
    http://oregoncounties.org/second-chamber-work-session-scheduling-deadline-passes-may-19th/
    been going on since January. OR State Police published their budget request alongside the Gov’s Budget (cuts).
    Hearings held furst before Comm on Public Safety (iirc Jeff Barker’s?)

  20. A Texas Grandfather says:

    Rose

    I am not surprised to learn from your link about the extended role that the House Energy Committee has regarding health care. There are so many areas where a committee has reach that citizens do not know of.

    Hospitals use a lot of energy and there may be funding to help with the costs. If there is funding, then there will be rules and regulations that must be followed. This means that the committee has oversight of the Department of Energy and any health related issues.

    The tech issue is probably associated with control systems for pipelines and power lines and other energy delivery systems which could involve trucking and rail car movement of fuels.

    The government entities have grown so numerous that citizens need a road map to follow what they really are doing.

  21. Rose says:

    @Blink iirc that 2013 Act put a cap on % going to Admin expense (salaries; Old Town Alex hdqtrs on Prince Str no less; etc) so they’re getting that elsewhere. I will recheck. btw similar firms do lower $ rentals in say Reston VA.

    They must spend $32mil of the $42mil on non-salary operational needs. My view on that after reading their 990 is that is exactly what they do.
    B

  22. Rose says:

    @Blink. Skylanders is what I wrote down when watching the Youtube but gosh only knows. I am unfamiliar with this game generation. And, I would not let my child play a game where his partner or nemesis was not physically in the same room. I was the most brilliant mother playing mario & luigi, but lost my appetite when my 5 yo got a double greenstick racing me in real life playing the characters. And, I learned that while a young boy can appear exceptionally bright due to say nonverbal gaming competence, or a young girl have a very quick processing speed, that has no correlation whatsoever with intelligence (IQ). So when DY says “bright,” that’s very lay anecdotal to me reminding mev of where I once deludedly was.

  23. Rose says:

    @Blink. re “Top dude makes nearly $500K, head of HR making over $170K. That’s correct, head of HR in a nearly ALL VOLUNTEER $42 mil funded 501c3. Not making any accusations here, but Walsh was a co founder and they pay $18K a year in his medical insurance and his kid is employed by them at $78K a year.”

    Oh Lord. And a Prince Street address.
    Even the politically dominating and wealthy Fellowship Foundation took a close in but cheap Arlington VA loc.
    you explain why the NCMEC trots out Walsh for validation of their PR at every turn. In the current climate, gotta keep a health ins source, esp when stations have a history of waving bye.

  24. erose says:

    Wiki shows the first Skylander game release (10/13/11) after Kyron’s abduction.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skylanders

    Yes ma’am. You are exactly correct- and why I posed the question. If DY said that, it would be yet another example of false information. My question is why?
    B

  25. Rose says:

    my head hurts looking up ncmec 501c3 bcz it looks like it’s primarily a lobbying organization (lots of Hill testimony) in which case Prince Street, Old Town makes sense: kind of K Street on the cheaper side.

  26. Rose says:

    to the extent this is a self-interested lobbying
    org (those salaries) imo PR opps like D and K
    are tools for a greater cause imo.

  27. Rose says:

    I finally got it. imo You asked “Skylanders?” for a hint,
    tho the Youtube said “Skylanders is one of his favorite
    games to play with his brother Quinn…” You must’ve
    picked up, as I did not, how similar that game name is to “Skyline.”

    Actually, you are quicker than I- I did not. I just knew I had never, ever heard mention of it before (in 7 years) and usually when that happens it does not pass my fact check, lol.
    B

  28. Rose says:

    do you think mcso “detectives” ever wondered if
    a Skylanders’ scenario was being acted out?
    (capture of …?) I do not know this game,
    but games often have “capture” scenarios.

    I must admit I do not know much about the Skylanders franchise, but I do know the game was not launched until after Kyron’s disappearance and the “Academy” TV show is very recent. Perhaps she got the name wrong? Dau was NEVER a gamer, but son at that age was a gamecube kid- with strict rules about playing time. Two kids and sports and schoolwork never presented much time for it to become a problem- they are not plop down and watch TV kids either to this day.
    B

  29. Rose says:

    thatkewlgirl says:
    May 25, 2017 at 7:49 pm
    … sad.”

    What is sad is Desiree has no diisinterested expert advisor in the relevant field. And
    she is ill served and advised on every front from relatives, to FB groupies, to orgs who use her for PR.

  30. Rose says:

    desiree says K played Skylanders with Q, but
    it was not released before his abduction?
    from her mouth to our ears, not
    deliberately imo, but a reflection of her
    functional level imo.

  31. Rose says:

    “If DY said that, it would be yet another
    example of false information. My question is why?
    B”
    imo benign dysfunction dysfunction.

  32. A Texas Grandfather says:

    For those who may not know, the 990 form is an IRS form for a non-profit organization. It has to be presented each year to maintain non-profit status. This would include 501C(3)and 501C (4) groups.

    Thank you ATG, I was remiss in including that explanation. Most appreciated.
    B

  33. erose says:

    Talked to a family gamer (expert) and Skylander is a very unique game in that you take a real toy character and place it on a pad and the game then “senses” your character and puts it in the game. How do you think that occurred when it didn’t?

    I find it difficult to reconcile because in this situation, PTSD can absolutely wreak havoc on one’s memory. Add to that our minds need to cope and survive the condition in the first place. The launch date occurs following Kyron’s disappearance (undisputed). I watched the youtube again, ( https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OEHLngnGDuE&feature=youtu.be) and as Rose indicated she definitely says Skylanders game and for it to be a dual player she is not talking about DS.

    Noteworthy quotes for me:

    “He went missing from Skyline Elementary”

    “In a group, Kyron is the smallest in stature, but he is the brightest, you may not notice it because he is also the quietest.”

    translation: vulnerable and “the shiny object” upon observation. If Kyron was abducted by a sexually motivated opportunistic offender, I can tell you with certainty that this profile is particularly savvy and rehearsed in identifying just that victim. I have said this numerous times and I cannot underscore it enough.

    “…He’s a shy kid and is in his comfort zone when he is around his family and friends”

    “He enjoys playing on his wii, Skylanders is one of his favorite games to play with his brother Quinn”

    I don’t know if she is referring to the wii at the Horman home or the McCullough (if they had it) home but the Young’s did not have a wii in 2010 and as you know the game was not released until Late October 2011.

    Noteworthy over all: At no time does she use the word abducted or taken. At no time does she point a finger at Terri or anyone else. If she had offered those remarks early on, I might have thought she intended to pursue remedy from the school. For anyone paying attention this was a markedly different message than I have ever heard from her.

    No doubt we could spend the day kibbitzing as to the motivations, but one thing I am patently clear on is that Ms. Young was helped with that written speech and it was cleared prior to the event by some means.
    B

  34. A Texas Grandfather says:

    I thought that Kyron was into cars on a track. IIRC, Terri talked about trackage that ran through the dining room.

    Blink’s question regarding why would someone mis-remember about a game when there is proof that it did not appear until after the abduction.

    I think the bio mom wanted to be recognized as being more into the things Kyron was doing. Therefore, a little fiction to dress up the information. Unfortunately, IMO the bio mom has some major mental problems that may have existed prior to Kyron’s birth. Some people have a problem of relating to time and cannot accurately remember when something occurred.

    I do recall her showing a hotwheels garage set ( I think my son had one when he was little) and saying she left it just as it was when he last played with it. I can see if she really believes Kyron is alive and has the potential to come home that she would want to publicly create a certain image of his family and home life right now. Obviously I am of the opinion she is being advised poorly and going about her role now all wrong- I get to say that because I have worked with parents in her shoes successfully (again, I hate that word when the success is based on recovery, but it is what it is- Kyron’s whereabouts should also be the goal here wherever it leads- While I understand the mindset, it is atypical in my experience. None of that changes my deep compassion for her.
    B

  35. Rose says:

    If she got the simple name of a game wrong, what else did she get wrong when interviewed by a “profiler” of kyron or mcso “detective” back in June 2010 and to date? Too bad mcso alienated the single best source of profiling info about Kyron when “interviewing” Terri in June 2010.

  36. T. Ruth says:

    IMO, Kyron’s newly released image looks waaaaay more like him than the last one. And they even included his facial moles this time, which are more pronounced as well. I agree with Rose about the teeth and the chunkiness, but at least it’s a better resemblance then the last one.

    Yes, DY definitely said Skylanders. Weird, and makes me wonder if that little tidbit was based on Q’s recollections.

  37. T. Ruth says:

    IMO, Kyron’s newly released image looks waaaaay more like him than the last one. And they even included his facial moles this time, which are more pronounced as well. I agree with Rose about the teeth and the chunkiness, but at least it’s a better resemblance then the last one. What’s weird is if you click on the supposed new poster, it takes one to the old one. https://www.fbi.gov/wanted/kidnap/kyron-richard-horman
    (Maybe not just updated yet?)

    http://www.nrtoday.com/news/local/douglas_county/missing-children-s-day-seeks-help-finding-kyron-horman-and/article_028c2b51-d01e-5d32-ad50-25a52560a977.html

    ************

    Yes, DY definitely said Skylanders. Weird, and makes me wonder if that little tidbit was based on Q’s recollections, not actually hers.

  38. T. Ruth says:

    @Rose says:

    ” So, apparently school (outside of family care) was the only place he COULD be taken from. That posits rather than a mere opportunist (how many act to kidnap from inside a school?), Kyron himself was targeted and very wanted. Imo LE might have put in one theory box a man who crossed kyron’s path and very much identified with kyron. perhaps kyron reminded him of his childhood self:”

    ************

    That is an interesting thought. If Kyron was being targeted by someone, for whatever reason, and he was indeed as sheltered at home as all parents are indicating, with little or no outside events without him being in their presence, then the school WOULD be the one place that makes sense. (Although even TMH was there at times.)

    Just further intensifies the need for investigating what exactly went on in his day-to-day interactions at school. For instance, what caused the teacher to send him home with the “bad” cards (I forgot which color). Kyron being a “shy” “quiet” kid, then what on earth was going on with that? Kaine questioning Terri’s need to know was bizarre, I don’t find TMH’s request to know about those cards at all out of the norm. If it was my kid, I’d certainly want to know what was making my child act out of character.

    As many of us here have said before, the key to Kyron’s abduction is at ground zero.

    It is.
    I would also add that Terri was a MS level educational assessor and correction plan implementation specialist. I have found INDEPENDENT of anything she may have shared with me that she took steps to garner MANY opinions on the possibility of root cause for Kyron’s change in behavior because she understood that her observations would be met with conflict of interest issues- as we all know, we can only be “so objective” when it comes to our own kids.
    B

  39. Rose says:

    @TRuth. yes, better than the 2012 oldie.
    I see it as a labor of love, memory exploration, and mourning for Desiree to
    collect family photos and not just forward to LE but linger over them, and her son’s face, until she feels “right” with her son’s picture.
    —-
    One of Q’s three primary self identities on social media is “gamer.”
    Maybe he added passed the game name “memory” to Desiree.
    —–
    That 501c3 on Prince Street Director’s salary is in line with say 3rd tier lobbyists in the area.
    Top tier lobbyists make millions yearly, second tier maybe a million. It is clear from the wages this is a lobbying firm, not one that goes out and finds children other than by website adverts. One suspects these regional certified volunteers like Desiree are a way to build a constituent base for show and tells, and Walsh’s son would be good at those workshops and lical show and tells. But the meat must be lobbying. So the Q is: lobbying what entities for what agenda? If Fed govt, there could be many good agendas other than just self-perpetuating their $40 M yearly. ie obtaining funding allropriations earmarked for the DOJ to grant local State and County LE Task Forces to apprehend and try those who sexually exploit minors. There are 50 State legislatures to lobby ie for updated criminal laws and penalties–like Sean Cruz achieved in OR. Who knows what the Center’s lobbying agenda is? Probably in Annual Reports.

  40. Rose says:

    “she took steps to garner MANY opinions on the possibility of root cause for Kyron’s change in behavior because she understood that her observations would be met with conflict of interest issues”
    That is a shame. Since KH had full medical custody, it speaks to his oppositionalism wrt Terri: disrespecting her degree and experience, disrespecting her caregiver’s eye on his son, and most likely misogeny–disrespecting a female’s POV.

    If TH woukd respond to Qs here niw, my two woukd be:
    1) the month/year of “behavior change.”
    2) just what behaviors were determined by her to be significantly changed?
    From yr comment Blink, they were behaviors she felt many others observed
    too and were not home centric.
    ——
    If they were mild changes, could be environmental and situational: mother’s marriage;
    Jame’s move; increased parental conflict; kiara’s birth; fear if Terri keaving that year’s teacher mismatch, etc.
    If they were significant changes, perhaps congenital, ie as certain congenital syndromes develop both physical develipment (ie motor issues, or scoliosis, or pigeon chest–skeletal issues), and cognitive development, reveal more challenges. At 7-8 a child is on the cusp of such complexities becoming apparent. Imo his vision etiology might have told TH a lot.

    I am not prepared to discuss specifics out of context (interview based) but I think we know “generally” what they were based on the public statements of the parents and what I have shared previously. It is just too big of a pool to try to wade without the benefit of an exam, or exams, as it were. It does not appear that it led to the identity of SZ as well, so there’s that.
    B

  41. cd says:

    rose says:
    May 27, 2017 at 10:07 pm
    -snip
    “He enjoys playing on his wii, Skylanders is one of his favorite games to play with his brother Quinn”
    ————-
    Sometimes games have a beta release where people who have signed up for the beta can play the game before the final release. The beta is a common method used by game creators to test their game before release to the general public. But it looks like the beta for this game may have bee Aug 2011 which would have also been a year + after Kyron went missing.

    Kyron playing this game with Quinn has nothing to do with missing children or even finding Kyron. It just seems like it was deliberately injected into the speech.

    I wonder why DY even included that activity in her speech. Maybe Q remembers playing Skylander with one of his cousins and not Kyron. This game play would probably only happened when Q and Kyron were both visiting DY in medford. I don’t believe those visits happened that often since Q had high school and sports activities in Portland During the school year.

    Maybe sometimes we over analyze probably the Skylander game mention was information passed on to DY by a family member as a way to include a personal picture of Kyrons life pre-abduction life in her speech.

    -snip
    It was released worldwide in October 2011 (in Japan on July 12, 2013), being distributed by Toys “R” Us and published by Square Enix, and was released for the Wii, PlayStation 3, Nintendo 3DS, and Wii U.[1]

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skylanders:_Spyro%27s_Adventure

  42. Rose says:

    Clapping for this: “Kyron’s whereabouts should also be the goal here wherever it leads- While I understand the mindset, it is atypical in my experience. None of that changes my deep compassion for her”
    —-
    What would your boy’s outcome be, Blink, if your husband was a late nite avid gamer and used wii gaming as his quality time with his and your son? If your child’s older half brother was an avid gamer who used online games for brother time? If an older boy in yr home was skipping school and getting bad grades as a role model? I bet you’d fix all that toot suit.


    I am an imperfect parent like most parents I know- and I am familiar with blended family challenges. On this one, I can’t lie and say I actually know any adult male professional who “games”. We did play wii with our children for a few years pre-Xbox because wii was family-centric in its concept and game experience. New, for everyone to play together, it was a significant investment at the time. Not to sound like a commercial for wii, lol, but once again it is all about the way parents manage the usage for individuals and family. Blinkette and I would compete in vocals and we all competed on different instruments and vocals (rock band) as well. It was fun, family bonding time. With teens and higher levels of sports comes significant travel so the handhelds were in use within reason. That said, I took my time with them in the car as an oppty to talk/listen. We are very musically inclined in our fam so we took turns picking songs via the ipod or sometimes audiobooks (if that was homework on the menu) and studied that way. In between or off season, we took the kids to the park near our home (Wash Xing) on weekends or in the Summer almost daily. Sometimes Blink Jr and Blinkette would go for a run with me, sometimes I followed them for safety if they wanted to go at night. I do not suggest that I ever took for granted that for many parents the ability to spend that amount of time with their kids is not possible or not possible without great sacrifice in other areas. I absolutely know the work/life balance struggle is real.

    I think every fam need is different but I believe strongly that a parent should use any means possible, even if it is not ideal, to stay connected with their child through all the phases of their growth. Used correctly I think technology can enhance the parent/child interests. Used as a babysitter or a parent substitute I think it pretty much closes the door on the possibility of a parent having a meaningful influence with their child when either one of them really needs it. At a minimum, if one is going to allow the access to a child or teen- one better be prepared to both “know it” and monitor it effectively.

    Lastly- I feel I must address a caveat to my thoughts on this. Gaming and Tech in a general sense can actually be an impairment to a child/teen with neuro or behavioral challenges that might warrant a restriction or at the very least, extremely close monitoring of their online access(es) overall. Simply put, left unchecked, our vast amount of access enjoyed by all those avenues we are all aware of can degrade or contribute to the instability of certain conditions. Two names come to mind for me with little thought: Adam Lanza and Austin Sigg.

  43. Rose says:

    wrt “At no time does she use the word abducted or taken”
    Why did her bad advisors (aka MCSO Detectives) scrub those words?
    Still denying the existance of SZ imo to maintain a focus on
    Hazelynn, oops, I mean on Terri.

  44. Rose says:

    you know, Rod Underhill is not stupid.
    Why doesn’t he himself ask Reese for
    a change of investigators?

    He has, twice.
    B

  45. T. Ruth says:

    It appears that BKH is not sporting the new image yet. I’d like to print one out, but I can’t seem to find a link to the actual new poster. Maybe it’s not out there yet.

  46. A Texas Grandfather says:

    T. Ruth

    We have at least three adults and possibly more actors involved with Kyrons daily activities while attending school. The bio parent-father, the non-bio parent-real mother and his assigned teacher at school who may have caused interactions with other staff.

    If KH questioned TH’s need to know about the cards, this could have been a means of pushing TH away from the mother duties she had assumed. I am very suspicious of Kaine’s behavior due to the steriod issue. We all know of the affects that steroids have on the brain in negative ways.

    The classroom teacher needs a way to communicate learning and behavior patterns that are non-standard to the parents. This is often done via notes or letters, phone, e-mail or in the modern less direct way via a color coded card system.

    Some children are simply not ready for a school environment at age six for one reason or another. We know little to nothing of the early life of Kaine Horman and his behavior in a primary classroom. He may have had a hard time adjusting and did not like the teacher sending information to his parents. Therefore, sending notes or cards triggered bad memories which he disliked.

    We also have little knowledge of the behavior and competence in the classroom teacher or an assistant. Primary teachers did not have assistants when I was in school, so I don’t have experience to draw upon.

    When the school went into protect mode regarding Kyron’s abduction, a wall was erected for getting at factual information. I believe it could be found if the school would co-operate fully with a competent investigative team.

  47. Rose says:

    @cd. re “I wonder why DY even included that activity in her speech.”
    maybe it was as blink hinted to humanize and imbed K in her nuclear family should he “return.” Maybe a thumbs up to Quinn who claims a Gamer self identity. Maybe the MCSO scriptor wants leads to anyone who ever gamed online with any family member. Blink said the Youngs did not own a Wii in 2010. Maybe they only played at Gamer Kaine’s so DY’s info is 2ndhand from Q.

    One wonders how many missing exploited minors were originally recruited via online gaming with strangers in chat rooms etc? Does the MCMEC have any research projects re initial exploitative contacts going on, or give research grants?

  48. Rose says:

    ” T. Ruth says:
    May 28, 2017 at 3:27 pm
    It appears that BKH is not sporting the new image yet. I’d like to print one out, but I can’t seem to find a link to the actual new poster. Maybe it’s not out there yet.”
    http://blinkoncrime.com/2016/09/21/dr-phil-show-hosts-missing-portland-child-kyron-hormans-step-mom-terri-horman-over-two-episodes/#comments
    Funny he did not also speak at the big hoopla in Salem with FBI, State Police, NCMEC there in addition to Desiree. It was the first update of his son’s image in 5 years, and he was the one with custody. Was he invited? Woukd’ve been good advertising for his Foundation and its monthly events.

  49. Rose says:

    well, one knows who JM role models on professionally (imo Neil H):
    https://www.linkedin.com/in/james-moulton-80861397
    I looked for that pic of kristi h with baum’s mother but coukdn’t find it.
    we have few paternal line images apart from kaine.
    other images suggest Kaine’s lower (below mouth) face, not desiree’s, and mugshot of
    Kristian has low set ears. Really one doesn’t know if kyron’s flat facial midline is
    genetic or environmental.
    it is interesting gofundme said the davidsons were working with LE last Nov
    but didnt mention kaine too. Desiree’s acrimony to kaine harms her goals wrt kyron imo.

  50. A Texas Grandfather says:

    Kudos to Blink on her reply to Rose about parents interaction with their children. Competition with mother and dad or teaming up for activities teaches children how to behave with adults and that mother and dad are there for them in many ways.

    Using the Wii as a method of teaching is important. In my time, as a child, there were books and board games. Music was a piano with popular sheet music(tin pan alley,Broadway shows) and vocals with some access to radio (New York Phil. on Sunday, Country and Western weekdays along with big bands in the evening).

    Joint sports activities is another avenue of fun and learning.

    I totally agree that too many times children are not monitored in their activities with our modern electronic devices. This is an area where a child can get in trouble in many ways. It also is a great teaching and learning tool when used properly.

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