Dr. Phil Show Hosts Missing Portland Child Kyron Horman’s Step Mom Terri Horman Over Two Episodes

I have been covering this case since Kyron Horman disappeared from Skyline School in June, 2010.    Like most missing persons cases I have covered in the past,  I am of the strong opinion that best efforts at the truth are the only way to propel investigations that, similarly to Kyron’s, have gone cold for one reason or another.   This approach has worked in resolving some of my previous cases.    I am proud of that.  I remain steadfast to the integrity involved in those and future cases.

Over the past 10 months (or so) I have been developing an updated series on Kyron’s case to include my multiple interviews with Kyron’s step-mom,  Terri Horman.   Needless to say as she was the subject of at least three simultaneous cases before an Oregon court and remains a person of interest by the agency investigating her sons disappearance, this has been an arduous and sometimes delicate journey.    Ms. Horman’s experiences during the ongoing investigation of the disappearance of Kyron Horman are critically important to propelling his case and with great hope- finding the truth about what happened to this cherubic and innocent child.    There are dozens of sources,  collateral interviews, forensic experts and legal analysts that also contribute to my series and have done so because of their belief that my motivation is to bring to light information and opinions in such a way that would almost “require” a focused review of Kyron’s case and the likely shaking of that proverbial tree everyone talks about.

Set to publish about 6-ish weeks ago I was asked to postpone the first installment of the series, which I did.  I subsequently learned Ms. Horman was participating in the Dr. Phil program after she completed taping.  Dr. Phils producers were well aware that Ms. Horman had interviewed with me extensively, and anticipated my series would be publishing information that was not known to the public previously in the days prior to her scheduled episode.    When Ms. Horman conveyed to me that she feels obligated to speak out about “her son” in any national medium that will have her,   I most certainly respected that.  I still do.

While Dr. Phil seems like a gregarious fellow for sure,   I have zero interest in being associated with his program, nor do I believe his shows content is designed to do any furtherance of investigation or truth.  There is much concern (although I have no affiliation to the show whatsoever) that the timing of the publication of my series on the Kyron Horman matter might be interpreted differently or inadvertently contribute to the programs content or audience reactions.     Not what I signed on for.   A missing 7 year old boy six years running is not a framework for entertaining a target audience.   He is not fodder for online social media bully campaigns- yet it occurs.

I will be publishing my series on Kyron’s case at a later date, in it’s entirety with no editing adjustments as a result of any of the appearances on Dr. Phil.   I appreciate your patience and your understanding.   Feel free to discuss the show below.

 

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  1. Rose says:

    11.19-20 sucks imo if during the school day & housed in a k-8.
    & even has a pic of Skyline
    https://multco.us/file/55870/download

  2. erose says:

    Blink, So glad you posted NW 128th Ave. The one I found was behind NW Saltzman Rd. clearly not the right one. Not sure I know what you mean about Rose seeing an angle you did not, I was responding to her compliment to you and to me about being peerless. :)

    Thank you, it was a general comment to her to reciprocate- I don’t always connect dots like she does (as a recent example the explorer youth and the SAR grads needing their SAR time to complete) and I am impressed and appreciative as I can be an “all weeds all the time” girl, lol.

    B

  3. T. Ruth says:

    I messed up my last post The State park challenge part was from someone’s blog, not from me. Sorry for the confusion.

  4. T. Ruth says:

    Isn’t the area the area MCSO are searching in a different county? Isn’t it in Washington County, or is Springville Rd. the County line?

  5. T. Ruth says:

    Answering my own question, I guess it is just northeast of Washington County borders.

  6. T. Ruth says:

    No, I will not be more specific as to date/time/interview at this time past “in the first few days”.

    @Blink

    That’s good enough for me, thanks.

    Thank you T.Ruth. FTR- I appreciate your thoughtful questions and they are absolutely appropriate, I just can’t always answer them with specificity.
    B

  7. T. Ruth says:

    Not that it matters that much, because Kyron was long gone by then, but if I look at the Washington County Sheriff’s Bethany location (4876 Bethany Blvd) in Google maps it says it would take only 9 minutes (via Kaiser) to get to Skyline El. Whereas, the MCSO office is 28 minutes away. (I do believe it did actually take them something like that to get there.) Seems to me if WCSO is closer, then when it comes to a school emergency shouldn’t both counties be responding for the sake of our children?

    To my knowledge PPB was under contract to respond, they waived to MCSO based on the fact that the belief was a 7 year old wandered off of school grounds so he would likely be found in the MCSO jurisdiction. That said, it is my understanding that many jurisdictions responded to Skyline in a SAR capacity.
    B

  8. T. Ruth says:

    Within minutes, Portland police and Multnomah County sheriff’s deputies were dispatched. About a half-hour passed before they pulled up to the school and the Horman home, about 2 1/2 miles from the school.

    http://jocosarblog.typepad.com/jocosarblog/2010/06/page/9/

  9. Rose says:

    see Reese’ Twitter 4 his Search PR. I am dumbfounded at road closure being attributed to a narrow road/parked ehicles after seeing his pic. Plenty of narrow woodsy roads near me w/ongoing 1 lane closure. for a few weeks at a time daytimes. I encounter 2 sections of it as go to store. tbere’s routinely men in neon vests at either end turning stop/sliw sign by walkie talkie & cars go 1 lane alternating. Common traffic mgmt method. So imo road closure was for maximum attention.

    It was a way to make a psa and as we now know there were def explorer youth involved, I can see the need for the extra precaution-
    B

  10. Rose says:

    ot I follow jon Swaine on twitter (Sr Guardian reporter), and he just linked this Guardian story on Portland. https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/jul/01/portland-far-right-rally-republicans-militia-security?CMP=share_btn_tw

  11. T. Ruth says:

    If this was simply a training exercise, then I have question.

    If a training exercise is held how is it paid for? IOW, where in the MCSO (county) budget does this expense go? IOW, again, if one could actually bookkeeping-wise apply this search effort to any still open case, does the expense go elsewhere in the budget?

    From what I can tell there were at least 3 diff teams there- I can tell you MCSO SAR is it’s own 501C3 (as of 2014) and it’s President is a former detective on Kyron’s case, Mark Herron. I am told, he was removed following ADA Rees knowledge of the Spicher debacle. This is a fundraising site for Clackamas’s Mountainwave: https://www.gofundme.com/mt-wave

    My assumption is MCSO pays the fixed costs for the search (not volunteers) attaching it to the Kyron investigation as an expense if they are publicly stating it is related to the case- although there is literally no investigative information that has led them to this area (unless by default of it not being searched). This also allows them to support the statement that Kyron’s case is active and ongoing.
    B

  12. Rose says:

    https://mobile.twitter.com/sheriffreese?lang=en
    Will Reese follow up & announce how many searchers, ground covered, next step?

  13. erose says:

    What to make of this…

    This is good. More info on Monday!
    New Guy? Spokesman Sgt. Brandon White
    Not good. The search is not based on new info.
    Yikes! This area was never searched before.
    ??? DY cannot comment on the specifics of a new search, in a area that has never been searched thou so close to the school you would think she would be upset they are just getting around to it. Somehow 7+ years later she equates this effort with “intention and skill based on solid case evidence.” Again, I have to wonder what took them so long, if there is really solid case evidence with respect to this search. Just another thing that makes no sense at all.

    snips>

    Officials expect to release more information on the search on Monday.

    Sgt. Brandon White, sheriff’s spokesman,…

    The search does not follow any new information in the case. 

    “There’s no new clues, no new hints,” White said. “As far as I know, they haven’t searched this area before.”

    Desiree Young, Kyron’s mother, declined to comment on the search, saying she’d been instructed not to comment about specifics.

    “I will say that our law enforcement team acts with intention and skill based on solid case tips and evidence,” she said in an email.

    http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2017/07/searchers_in_west_hills_for_re.html

    Note Lynne Terry’s wording here:

    “…Terri Horman drove Kyron to school the day he disappeared and went inside for the science show. She has said she does not know what happened to him…”

    Quite the departure from early reporting, imo.
    B

  14. erose says:

    Rose called it.

    snip>

    The Multnomah County Sheriff’s Office says there wasn’t any new information, but rather Sunday was a time that volunteers could get out and look.

    “No new tips, no new details came into the sheriff’s office about what was going on,” said Sgt. Brandon White.

    http://www.kptv.com/story/35843652/crews-conduct-search-for-kyron-horman-in-nw-portland

    Yup, she did. 2nd pic would be the youth explorers. Made me wonder if any were Kyron’s age now or went to Skyline with him.
    B

  15. erose says:

    As the search ended, it didn’t appear that there were any new findings or breakthroughs in the case.

    http://koin.com/2017/07/07/deputies-to-conduct-kyron-horman-related-search/

  16. erose says:

    KGW tells the story a little differently from all of the other outlets.

    e- I corrected your link because it was a photobucket that I don’t think was related, if I got that wrong would you mind reposting please?

    Otherwise here is KGW link:
    http://www.kgw.com/news/local/kyron-horman/west-hills-search-on-sunday-connected-to-kyron-horman-investigation/455102704

    That “new documents” indicate the case is active. Its the 2nd gj (if we believe all other docs previously referencing it) and it has been sitting since 2013 after multiple suspensions. Can’t any reporter ever ask an actual legal question- like for an example- Can anyone recall a SECOND gj empanneled specifically to hear evidence in Kyron’s disappearance that is guided by Oregon Statute (as it relates to what it can actually hear considering the outcome of gj 1) that has been sitting this long?
    B

  17. Rose says:

    lynn terry updated her piece to say mcso will release a comment today. She apparently keeps herself on Desiree’s email list by always gratuitously throwing in Kantor’s statement Terri is mcso’s prime suspect. mcso doesn’t have 2 say it. Her eventual layoff will go unlamented. unlike the Denson’s, Pitkin’s, Stanford’s of the past.

    I just commented on that on erose’s post- I actually see it a bit differently in the sense that what she said was actually true and in context, imo. I don’t think Kantor did himself any favors making that statement (essentially on behalf of the MCDA and MCSO).
    B

  18. Rose says:

    Brandon not the real spokesman. real one is on https://www.mcso.us/site/communications.php
    sitting in Sheriff’s chair spesking 4 him in his absence. Desiree thinks all mcso searches
    are based on solid leads she says.

    I mean no disrespect, but even if that were true, which it isn’t, – what search area has her efforts covered again? I can tell you that nobody in LE is sharing that intelligence with her.
    B

  19. Rose says:

    based on det yohe’s post on SAR FB June 2017 I assume he requested this search at this site and has more. Still searching since Oct 2010. With that vegetation, and varmits who carry off bones, what could be found Blink? What are they looking for?

    Evidence, remains that have the potential to be linked to Kyron’s case. But to be honest, in that location 7 + years later without any lead directing them there, this was just an exercise. If they ever really thought they would locate something there would not be a pack of teens present either. That said, to your point, first and foremost if SAR is trying to locate a deceased human, one would need the correct canines to do so. They are extremely limited in the amount of time they can be used in the field under such conditions and only the canines specifically certified not to hit false positives on animal or vegetative decay are even useful (unless of course predation was involved somehow). I can only judge through the posted pics that did not take place because I can also tell you their handlers will only work one at a time, and without anyone else present for the most part so the canine is not distracted. I have seen some of these animals in the field and I will be the first to tell you it is akin to watching a five star magic trick- and by that I mean the depth of their skill and what they accomplish is profound. Anyone who continues to hold out hope Kyron is alive may wish to stop reading this.

    Proper SAR efforts in a case this old requires significant intelligence. As an example, a consult with a designated geospatial analyst who is looking for GIS related anomaly based on overhead imagery over a period of time and seasons and/or weather conditions that may point to an anomaly. Based on intelligence or as needed for terrain considerations, they may also provide guidance in the event of a water burial. I can tell you that the science behind assessing potential for clandestine burial is very specific and it is very sound. Basically, an intelligent search effort for remains is very different than, say, looking to spot some sort of woodsy campsite or off grid survivalist dude (Smart).

    The likely issue which remains problematic for MCSO is that they legitimately have no idea where Kyron may be and they have never identified SZ which would lend itself to better intel to locate him.
    B

  20. Rose says:

    http://www.kgw.com/mb/news/local/kyron-horman/grand-jury-hearing-evidence-in-kyron-horman-case-documents-reveal/440862217 Reads like kgw’s “new document” is the Clackamus ASA’s letter to Kyle refusing his records request on the grounds it’s an open investigation. Duh.

  21. Tiny says:

    I have often hoped that maybe MCSO was working on a id for SZ behind the scenes. Being a local, I find that incredibly unlikely but who knows?
    I hope they find Kyron but I have to say, the local commentaries seem to prove that the public is getting weary of this case and also weary of the TH witch hunt.
    Both are good imo. I hope the Oregonian and LE are listening to public disgust.

  22. Rose says:

    So much for the use of multiple dogs in DY’s homespun searches.
    I bet mcso was really scoping out: “… looking to spot some sort of woodsy campsite or off grid survivalist dudes…” perhaps reported by TVWA on their land. and charge it to the Kyron acct. Let’s see if the next searches are in woodsy areas likely to host homeless campers.

  23. Rose says:

    Yohe could be looking for suspects in another
    case gone to ground.

  24. T. Ruth says:

    @erose says:
    July 10, 2017 at 5:49 am

    I was having the same problem initially finding the 128th ave that comes off of Springville, but finally found it. (Weird there are two.)

    I’m also with you, by golly, if this search was at all related to some information that was available 7 years ago, why wasn’t it searched back then? That’s why I wonder what benefit is there to telling the public that this is Kyron-related. Makes MCSO look even dumber for not doing it back then, especially when they add there’s nothing new that brought about this search. Why not just say they’re doing SAR training searches? Who are they trying to appease?

    I still wish they had followed up on the lead given by the truck driver on the way to the coast off Salmonberry road, who iirc stated he saw a very scared little boy (looked like Kyron) in a grey pickup on Saturday. I don’t believe they ever searched that area. As it is, it took the FBI two days to get back to the tipster! WTH?:

    http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=9222.655;wap2

  25. T. Ruth says:

    T. Ruth says:
    July 9, 2017 at 12:22 pm

    erose says:
    July 8, 2017 at 3:22 am

    I’m thinking it could have come from one other person……Kyron himself. Unless of course TMH did not tell him she made him an appointment. Did she tell him?

    She did not. Kyron was unaware of the pending appointment.
    B

    **********
    Ok then, that narrows the field considerably. (I always figured Kyron could have told other people about the appointment.) Also, if Kyron was not told and/or was not in ear-shot when TMH told Porter, then that would also mean that Kurtis who told his mom Kim that he lnew Kyron wouldn’t be back that day, must have heard it directly from Porter at some point. Now, in Tanner’s recollection he never heard anything about a doctor appointment, so when exactly did this conversation that Kurtis must have either overheard or was a part of (perhaps asking about Kyron’s whereabouts), between him and Porter happen?

    Looking for the K.Holm quote:

    Kim Holm’s son, K, who Terri Horman photographed with his science project around the time she took a picture of Kyron that morning, said her son knew about the appointment too.

    “And the teacher said, ‘I thought he left with his mom,’ because they thought they had a doctor appointment,” Holm said. “And then at lunchtime, K ate lunch with him every day, he wasn’t there at lunchtime. And then I got a call at 4:30ish, saying he didn’t get off the bus, I guess. And K said, ‘Oh yeah, I knew he was already gone all day Mom.’”

    http://www.katu.com/news/local/98981009.html (no longer works)

    Last edited by seeking truth; 07-26-2010 at 12:00 AM. Reason: Removed minor’s name, replaced with “K”

    http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?110237-What-the-School-Staff-and-students-say-about-the-morning-Kyron-went-missing

    **************
    So exactly when did Ms. Porter decide Kyron wasn’t in the bathroom or getting a drink of water and must have gone to the doctor?

    Bizarre.

    No idea. Bizarre indeed.
    B

  26. Rose says:

    @Tiny. I find so much value from you, evie, & other locals.
    iirc u r a longterm community political expert. It is most disheartening to look
    at pompous, authoritative comments on Soldiers’ FB
    and to think they might be locals. Today a Darlene Woodcock
    went on and on posting vastly erroneous “facts.” While there are
    many with that name, there is one in Portland.

    Which brings me to think–your post and hers–
    a super duper motive of mcso/da for repetitive
    summer searches could very well be to poison a local jury pool.

    Each search is covered by every channrel & print outlets.
    Each time every “reporter” gratuitously and unnecessarily
    throws in Terri is the “prime suspect” and often “he was last
    seen with Terri”. 3 summer searches covered and if Rod asks
    the GJ to indict this Fall, imo it’s done.
    3 times recently LE batted out in CA.
    What’s left but an indictment in Portland?
    I believe DY has been bought off & is silent bcz she’s
    been told there will be an indictment by year’s end.
    imo the press surrounding these searches to me is
    classic poisoning of a Portland jury pool.

  27. Rose says:

    Reese must have beefed up PR.
    Apparently since White is a Sgt,
    he’s an addition to PIO Lt Gaidos’ shop.
    https://www.mcso.us/profiles/pdf/org_chart.pdf

  28. erose says:

    Blink, Crankycrankerson had a photobucket shot of the search map. Not that important.

  29. cd says:

    T. Ruth says:
    July 10, 2017 at 11:44 am
    @erose says:
    July 10, 2017 at 5:49 am

    -snip
    I’m also with you, by golly, if this search was at all related to some information that was available 7 years ago, why wasn’t it searched back then? That’s why I wonder what benefit is there to telling the public that this is Kyron-related. Makes MCSO look even dumber for not doing it back then, especially when they add there’s nothing new that brought about this search.
    ————–

    I think that MCSO and especially DY think that when a search is announced or a GJ mentioned it scares TH.
    maybe they think if they get the right search area that TH will do something to incriminate herself. So they make a big deal out of Training searches etc. I expect there will be a lot of BS from DY hinting that MCSO found something of interest during their search. Since the Yuba county thing did not work out DY will be looking for some other way to get to TH.

    If I were LE and I had a solid tip on a search area where Kyron might be found I would not announce it to the public in advance of the search. If SZ believed that LE could find something to incriminate him he might be able to go into hiding or remove the evidence in advance.

    I think that LE added the comment that there was NO new leads just to make people speculate that there WAS some new leads that were a secret. Now DY can act like she knows something about new evidence.(to supposedly scare TH) and soldier will have new stuff to rave about.

    I mean why would LE say anything at all about having or not having new leads? All this drama and what good does any of it do for Kyron.

  30. erose says:

    search Crankycrankerson + Kyron Horman (1 week) The photo has part of the KGW article, you did post the actual article Cranky was referencing, so it worked. Just wanted you to see I wasn’t cra cra.

    7/7/17 Preparing Another Search. Click Magnifier Symbol To …
    s296.photobucket.com/user/crankycrankerson/media/Kyron Horman -OR…

    Jul 07, 2017 · crankycrankerson’s Bucke… / Kyron Horman -OR-/ The Search For Kyron; Print At Home. Photographic prints that inspire with the NEW Epson SureColor P800 …

    LOL. Never thought that for a second, e.
    B

  31. erose says:

    o/t TRuth, Every surveyor I know is going to hear about that stone, if they don’t already know about it.

  32. erose says:

    Yes Blink, Lynn Terry has a different approach (thou still not what we are hoping for) and DY is staying mum, and as an observation, no soldiers on site either. Tiny’s comment is optimistic. Could this be a miniscule turn in the right direction, or a least a stop in going in the wrong direction?

  33. A Texas Grandfather says:

    This search was for the benefit of the SAR trainees. Tying a title on it as a search for Kyron, is false advertising by MCSO.

    I would suspect that there are many areas along Skyline that should have been searched immediately, but were not. MCSO is not really a LE entity across the full spectrum. It basically is a jail and river patrol organization with a little activity in SAR.

  34. erose says:

    Looking back trying to find Kyron’s talent show partner who I remember thought Kyron was at the doctor. If the list is PED, Porter and TH, then how did this child know this if not from Porter, unless she told him that it was the Kyron is at his sister’s appt. Anyway, found this huge red flag that could have shaved 2.5 hours off of the response time.

    Skyline parent says:
    October 23, 2010 at 10:38 am
    Kyron was supposed to be in the talent show. The principal called his name and his teacher said he was absent. Lots of parents were there.

    http://blinkoncrime.com/2010/10/07/kyron-horman-missing-kaine-and-terri-horman-face-off-in-family-court/comment-page-21/

    I recall his name but I am not sure it was ever published. Interestingly, Kyron never mentioned to Terri or Kaine he was in the talent show- they learned that after he was missing. He and his partner were actually going to tell a joke as their “talent”.
    B

  35. Rose says:

    Soldiers’ FB Warriors share a folie à plusieurs, although
    the syndrome needs to e redined to accommodate strangers
    in the internet age.?

  36. Rose says:

    what kyron needs are organized leakers within mcso & mcda about
    the investigation to the local press (or national, bcz O
    etc likely would not publish verified doublesourced leaks). I thought
    Maxine’s claim to fame was crime & courts sources, but in 2010ff
    she never delivered squat except press release type stuff.

  37. Rose says:

    fixing this
    Rose says:
    Your comment is awaiting moderation.
    July 10, 2017 at 7:06 pm

    the syndrome (shared group delusion)
    needs to be refined to accommodate strangers
    in the internet age.

  38. A Texas Grandfather says:

    Rose

    The baseball term for the outs in California is “Struck out” or if you want to go another way, it is “fouled out”. A ball hit outside the marked playing field is a foul. If a ball is caught within this area, it is a foul ball out. In the California cases, I believe the correct score card marking would be “fouled out”. They got caught playing in foul territory of the law and lost.

    Having fun playing with words. LOL

    lol
    B

  39. Rose Red says:

    Why is DY so sure that Kyron is alive? Is it that she can’t face any other outcome. Or does she know something that might lead people to believe she is correct?

    Rose says: July 8, 2017 at 11:55 pm

    Yes, we agree that it seems DY is placated by search announcements which baffles me in the first place as she is adamant Kyron is alive.
    B

  40. Rose Red says:

    Why are people so sure that a man named Logan isn’t connected to Kyron’s disappearance? It just seems that he IS connected.

    I can tell you as a point of fact that in 2011 MCSO was very interested in that possibility. I don’t know with certainty if he has been excluded or not.
    B

  41. Rose says:

    @ATG. You nailed it, but even their detectives are river patrol: “MCSO is not really a LE entity across the full spectrum. It basically is a jail and river patrol organization with a little activity in SAR”

    We don’t know what was in 6.5 yr on the case Det Yohe’s mind when he filed a request for the Explorers and their deputy supervisors/trainors to do a Kyron search at this site. We know there are multiple byproducts. No 1 (gratis cd) is Scare Terri; keep her on edge leading her to screw up. Then there’s keepDesiree loyal and close to me. And, poison a jury pool. Public attention & respect. Advertise Kyron. Justify our budget in June. Pick up trashfor TVWA (apparently they did as White said they picked up unrelated stuff). Give us a press release in the dog days of summer. Get those teens school SSLhours in summer & encouragethem to re-up. Show Mike we’re working on it bcz he’s making personnel changes. Give him pics for his twitter feed.

  42. erose says:

    TRuth, I can’t process in an organized manner right now, but I’m going to puke out random thoughts. Holm told that story on behalf of her son so I guess we have no idea if Kurtis really said Kyron had a doctor’s appt. or if Holm made it up. By the time Holm told that story the doctor’s appt. it was probably all over the news. The conclusion that some people had at the time was that TH purposely misled the teacher. We now know from Blink that Porter testified that was not the case. If Kurtis did tell his mother about the appt., then Porter must have told him. Wasn’t Holm at the school that morning, but not on the list? If I were the investigator on this, I would get to the bottom of who had the knowledge of the appt. and when. How could Porter leave TH out to dry on the appt. It made so many people suspect her, but I guess the same could be said about EM. Can’t remember, but wasn’t Porter single?

  43. Rose says:

    glad to see crankycrankerson is still in “business”

  44. Rose says:

    ot imo here’s a motive for Underhill to rush to indict:
    http://portlandtribune.com/pt/9-news/365697-247102-grand-jury-recording-stirs-strong-emotions
    So a “case officer” can testify on behalf of Desiree, dad, & kyron.
    Jeff Barker former ppb makes himself plain.
    —–
    My bet is Wheeler will pick the Seattle candidate for Chief, who will last 2-3 yrs, and Reese will hire his former Exec Asst Marshman as Undersheriff while he candidates for other major Chief openings.

    So enthusiastic about this update, thank you Rose.
    B

  45. first-time says:

    Rose Red says:
    July 11, 2017 at 12:44 am
    Why are people so sure that a man named Logan isn’t connected to Kyron’s disappearance? It just seems that he IS connected.

    I can tell you as a point of fact that in 2011 MCSO was very interested in that possibility. I don’t know with certainty if he has been excluded or not.
    B
    —–
    Hi Rose Red. Can you tell us what you know about Logan (Storm?)?

  46. Tiny says:

    Rose! I was thinking the jury pool all day yesterday. Funny but not. There is zero jury pool, except for me. Ha.
    I regularly have these conversations with a friend of mine. Most of my friends are in the TH did it pool, which drives me crazy but thanks to Blink I have all of the arguments I need or can remember. We were going at it fast and furious yesterday and I did have that thought. There is no way this could ever go to trial. There would be no jury. SZ would be never be convicted if indeed they ever figured out who he is, because the jury would want TH. MCSO did their job well. Sarc.
    Did they ever release a statement yesterday? I sure didn’t see one.

  47. Rose says:

    @ATG. TY for word useage fun. Whilst “fouled out” in CA, I suspect in view of new OR GJ legislation awaiting Gov Signature, DA will “risk all” and go “all out” in the near term. Imo he was banking on a CA”record” of some nature in the lead up to the 9th. (inning, or Crt of Appeals)

    missing Malty. twas as pithy as you are.

  48. A Texas Grandfather says:

    Low level photography (1,000 ft.)above the surface is useful to those trained in finding anomalies in soil on the surface. Turned earth that is from a different strata of soil is often spotted in such photos. There may be some sunken areas or raised areas of soil that are visible in those areas. These can be marked on photos and maps to aid searchers in finding the physical site.

    Satellite imagery like that used by Google Earth was originally developed to spot wheat rust and other crop diseases which stand out in that type of image. This began in 1969 with two satellites that were put in orbit by the United States. While this imagery is useful for certain purposes, it still does not give the detail that low level imagery provides.

    Careful inspection of a specific site by trained people will often find evidence of human bones even when they have been scattered by animals.

    I really doubt that MCSO or PPB have personnel that have this type of expertise. They would need to bring it in from the outside. Young people can be trained to do initial searches and perhaps find things early on in a suspected crime. After a year or two, it takes the experts to make progress in a walking search and even they benefit from proper photography and study of it.

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