Dr. Phil Show Hosts Missing Portland Child Kyron Horman’s Step Mom Terri Horman Over Two Episodes
I have been covering this case since Kyron Horman disappeared from Skyline School in June, 2010. Like most missing persons cases I have covered in the past, I am of the strong opinion that best efforts at the truth are the only way to propel investigations that, similarly to Kyron’s, have gone cold for one reason or another. This approach has worked in resolving some of my previous cases. I am proud of that. I remain steadfast to the integrity involved in those and future cases.
Over the past 10 months (or so) I have been developing an updated series on Kyron’s case to include my multiple interviews with Kyron’s step-mom, Terri Horman. Needless to say as she was the subject of at least three simultaneous cases before an Oregon court and remains a person of interest by the agency investigating her sons disappearance, this has been an arduous and sometimes delicate journey. Ms. Horman’s experiences during the ongoing investigation of the disappearance of Kyron Horman are critically important to propelling his case and with great hope- finding the truth about what happened to this cherubic and innocent child. There are dozens of sources, collateral interviews, forensic experts and legal analysts that also contribute to my series and have done so because of their belief that my motivation is to bring to light information and opinions in such a way that would almost “require” a focused review of Kyron’s case and the likely shaking of that proverbial tree everyone talks about.
Set to publish about 6-ish weeks ago I was asked to postpone the first installment of the series, which I did. I subsequently learned Ms. Horman was participating in the Dr. Phil program after she completed taping. Dr. Phils producers were well aware that Ms. Horman had interviewed with me extensively, and anticipated my series would be publishing information that was not known to the public previously in the days prior to her scheduled episode. When Ms. Horman conveyed to me that she feels obligated to speak out about “her son” in any national medium that will have her, I most certainly respected that. I still do.
While Dr. Phil seems like a gregarious fellow for sure, I have zero interest in being associated with his program, nor do I believe his shows content is designed to do any furtherance of investigation or truth. There is much concern (although I have no affiliation to the show whatsoever) that the timing of the publication of my series on the Kyron Horman matter might be interpreted differently or inadvertently contribute to the programs content or audience reactions. Not what I signed on for. A missing 7 year old boy six years running is not a framework for entertaining a target audience. He is not fodder for online social media bully campaigns- yet it occurs.
I will be publishing my series on Kyron’s case at a later date, in it’s entirety with no editing adjustments as a result of any of the appearances on Dr. Phil. I appreciate your patience and your understanding. Feel free to discuss the show below.
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you are right erose. There are undoubtedly foster home placements in
Skyline area with the caregiver invited to Sci Fair in loco parentis.
Probably cps involved homes too.
@erose says:
July 20, 2017 at 1:05 am Rose, To your reboot of the system. How does the state place foster kids in a home that isn’t licensed by the state”
Goodness knows what any State is up to these days with their foster care systems and placement practices. the one I worked in was in Court receivership for awhile after my time.
Anecdotal history which may not be “right.” In the mid-70s there were seminal books about permanency planning for foster kids and about best practices in child protective services, and Model State laws were suggested by the Fed govt and adopted generally by States. In fact there were fine federal standards, and implementing them meant federal money flowed to states who adopted and enforced more uniform Fed standards in their child welfare depts. Iirc Minnesota and No Carolina were leaders. Actually Oregon got some press too for leadership efforts in the late 70s.
Standards adopted by State Child Welfare Depts wrt CPS, foster care, adoption were micro mgmt. standards, with timelines even…ie a certain period of time for initial CPS eval, a certain period of time a case could be open, parents could no longer generally “voluntarily” sign their kids into care for more than a short period of time if that, and so on. And of course foster homes had to be licensed, but they could be licensed for one or a particular child or situation, say a relative or close friend. I remember one man in my field placemewho was pretty squirrelly and had two young boy brothers, but he was licensed for those two (unrelated to him) boys for some good reasons iin a good county operation.
So, States adopted uniform standards (ie foster homes must be licensed) that were commonly known to be good practice anyway to get Federal money. That was the environment I worked in late 70s. Everything absolutely changed in the early 80s as Reagan set about deregulating at the Federal level all aspects of child welfare wrt States. I remember when the Model Adoption set of regs (money to States for adopting Model Adoption statutes and practices) was about to be published in the Federal Register in final form as a Fed regulation in the early 80s after years of hearings published drafts and working thru the regulatory scheme, and Gary Bauer came into the Oval Reagan’s first year and stopped it period.
So in the 80s you had a massive deregulation of State standards across all States at the Federal level. Iirc Clinton adopted health, poverty, education, crime and other domestic agendas. His domestic policy advisor Bruce Reed was the best, and of the highest personal character, but I don’t remember child welfare programs in the States being a biggie for him and Rahm. you had the Bush dereg years wrt child welfare standards for States (both I and II). I don’t remember Child Welfare Model laws and standards in the States being a biggie for Obama–and no big influx of carrot Federal $ or regulatory supervision under sequestration.
So, it is unsurprising the standards and regulations and implementation at the local level in Oregon differ substantially from where the country was at in the late 70s. It seems like a no mans land in Oregon for “throwaway kids” in their teens. And it feeds sexual and economic (of State coffers) predators.
I owe an apology to local press. They’ve done some writing about the bankrupt (in regulatory, administrative, and moral terms) foster care system in Oregon.
Recommend a new motto for Oregon politicians: “Put children first” (education, safety, child welfare).
I’m not saying the Federal promulgation of model statutes and practices after years of hearings, inputs, published drafts and process, with carrots for States, was good or bad, nor their dismantling during deregulatory eras. not making a political position, just observing how Oregon went from leadership in the 70s to where it is now.
“If that woman is not under investigation by the US DOJ I will eat my hat.
B”
I’m sure you mean the State DOJ Blink. Unfortunately it’s a political job that doen’t require aggressive investigatory and prosecutorial skills in OR. And who the State Atty General needs to go after is the Governor in charge of the State DHS, as well as its top agency administrators for waste, fraud, and abuse. If the State AG went after Brown on this foster care management issues on financial grounds, it coukd make the Kitzhaber State health care musmanagement look small potatoes. Rossnblum is not the right AG for this State’s needs.
As a 501 c 3 filer and it looks like employer, at a minimum, also utilizing Fed subsidies, this would likely be a Federal criminal investigation. That said, I am only going on the articles posited here and taking them at face value.
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erose
Tommy Sowell is one of my favorite writers. I have been reading his work for more than forty years. Read carefully and enjoy. Professor Sowell gets his points across with few words, but always makes sense.
He uses history to backup his points of view. He seldom is wrong,but none are perfect.
Culture is something that gets people ahead or destroys the local society. There was a study published in the late 1950′s of the criminals and their family ties in and around Philadelphia, Pa. The study tracked back to 400 families that had immigrated from a particular area of France 100 years earlier.
If LE through lack of experience or for other reasons, decide to relentlessly pursue one concept to the exclusion of all others, then they will be successful in producing a cold case. Good procedures and following the real evidence prevents such happenings.
the investigatory abnormalities you mention
Blink strike me was more than incompetence or
tunnel vision. seems more like a coverup.
Oops. I see you did say US DOJ Blink.
Can you explain as the article cites State statutes.
Who the USDOJ should investigate are the
Governor and DHS administrators on grounds of misuse of Fed funds.
you called it Blink
http://www.wweek.com/news/2017/05/10/former-head-of-corrupt-portland-foster-care-provider-indicted-on-federal-charges/
unsurprising Billy Williams and his cosy criminal branch (some married to or sleeping with each other)
did NOT go after the REAL culprit, State DHS, haul it into Fed Court and get judicial supervision of the entire agency.
Just unbelievable to me how long this went on- and we likely do not know the real story from a perspective of a child in “her” care as this was going on.
I am seeing upthread (not yet moderated) erose posted the indictment- 18 pages. FTLOG.
B
Blink, It took a few years but she was charged…with theft. No charges filed for the neglect and abuse from what I can see.
https://www.justice.gov/usao-or/press-release/file/965436/download
Wednesday, May 10, 2017
Mary Holden Ayala Charged with Theft of Over $800,000 From Oregon Foster Care Agency Give Us This Day
Ayala arrested in Mississippi on federal charges
https://www.justice.gov/usao-or/pr/mary-holden-ayala-charged-theft-over-800000-oregon-foster-care-agency-give-us-day
That is some indictment for sure. Would be a really interesting tidbit if WW spurred this.
B
married or not, 3 times he moved in a resident
sex partner turned mother-to-whoever
having 1 or more kids.
Pattern unlikely to differ the 4th time imo.
just curious re ages.
Kristen had 1 in the Quinn & James demographic.
logan kitz’s home with mother LaCroix was in West BHills..
Skyline is on west slope of west hills.
was she in Skyline school boundaries?
he went to french intl school til his father ran in 2010
and Kitz began saying he’d move him to
public (Lincoln?), if elected, for high school.
Oh, for sure. One can only conclude that they do not want to find, identify or even publicly admit there is SZ
BUT there is SZ. We know there is SZ.
I feel a small soapbox coming on. DHS, that crazy situation with the low functioning parents, observations for on the ground of how the public schools here treat anyone with differences, kids do not come first in Oregon. That is my opinion which, unfortunately, I can more than back up.
Kyron would be my first example.
Well I gotta wonder why the OR DOJ office (US Attorney has generally been a Wyden choice) would take PPB to Federal Court and get it under Fed Judge Simon’s supervision of a reform settlement (iirc issue was stuff like treatment if mentally ill), but nit LONG ago take OR DHS to that same Court over much more evregious waste fraud and abuseof Fed $ AND of child safety and civil rights (ie all those foster kids placed in a local seedy hotel with rotating caregivers missing school and meds). Holden case was a fine one for the OR DOJ to sue DHS. Instead they singled out one care provider for a show trial. Why the diff OR DOJ treatment between Fed Court reform of PPB vs passing by for tears the reform of State DHS agency wrt foster care? Somebody besides Holden has been making money on investments. Probably those group home small chain ultimate asset owners.
I admit I am not an expert when it comes to some of the reasons why a case “decides” to litigate through Fed criminal court v state court specifically, but in this case at issue are fraudulent tax returns and misuse of Govt funds so they would fall to the Fed jurisdiction. I have noticed that in some cases where this decision is “at issue” sometimes the criminal justice agency of record has the bigger piece of the pie as far as ability to seize the targets assets. It could be a myriad of reasons, including statute of limitations and specific burdens on a prosecution at the state level at well.
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right lawyer to bring a civilrights case on behalf of kyron (custodial father would authorize) against PPS (for OKing abduction) would be Eldon Rosenthal. I always thot someone fed him to Desiree to create a conflict of interest so he couldn’t rep kyron or Terri.
I thought that until the whole gofund me issue. If it was not ever addressed, while it was pending it was a bar complaint waiting to happen. I am told it broke up that firm ultimately. It is Rosenthal’s responsibility to preform proper diligence in pre file, but imo when he was prepping his plaintiff witnesses he realized a cross complaint was going to be forthcoming he pulled the plug. Wagner did not come out of retirement because he was bored, imo. That may be a generous view because I do believe Kantor would have dismissed some counts as soon as the abatement lifted and based on the verbiage of the complaint some legal eagles way above my paygrade felt it inadvertently or indirectly gave Terri standing to sue Skyline and possibly “individuals” within.
B
ATG, I should have known I couldn’t teach the teacher anything, LOL.
A Texas Grandfather says:
July 20, 2017 at 10:46 am
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erose
Tommy Sowell is one of my favorite writers.
Rose, The comment section on this guy says it all.
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adolecentghost
We should have all seen this coming a mile away, but no one in his crew spoke up for years while this went on. And this is what happens when a bunch of douchebag bros start a cool boys club posing as arty indie hipsters. Him and his crew were notorious for taking advantage of very young pretty women who were trying to be a part of the art, modeling, and music scene around 2009-2011. Beautiful, but naive girls who just wanted to be a part of something were exploited and taken advantage of left and right by these sorry excuses for men. Tom is not the only one out there, but he’s probably the most notorious and prolific of them all. There are others who did the same kind of stuff. I hope his victims find some closure.
http://www.wweek.com/news/2017/05/26/well-known-portland-indie-rock-videographer-indicted-for-rape-kidnapping-child-porn-sexual-abuse/
Rose, Thanks for the anecdotal info. If we need federal regulations to stop the abuse of children and the corruption the financial incentives seem to breed, then I’m all for it, whatever it takes. We have to quit reinventing the wheel and look to places (or times) where things work(ed) and just emulate or adapt sound policies. Surely, someone somewhere has figured out how to properly care for children by now.
Another article on Oliver.
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Thomas Walter Oliver’s victims include sex trafficking victims, domestic relationships, and friends. The victims are all female and include both adults and juveniles.
His arrest came after a warrant was issued in April 2017 following a secret grand jury indictment that charges him with multiple counts of rape, sodomy, sexual abuse, sodomy, using a child in a display of sexually explicit conduct, and kidnapping.
The allegations against Oliver date back to June 2009, according to law enforcement officials.
http://koin.com/2017/05/26/police-portland-rapist-kidnapper-held-on-5-3m-bail/
You are tying into motivation with
“bigger piece of the pie as far as ability to seize the targets assets. ”
Pie for local LE (PPB?)
and so answered my question.
OR DOJ knew the Session’s directive url’d below was coming imo.
knew why to go against one corrupt easy to prove home operator
rather than go after the State agency for undoubtedly funneling Fed funds to other cronies and small foster care-fed property owners. And I bet there were kickbacks. So local LE will end up with her 2 properties by civil seizure. Look for a few 1 by 1 cases fir asset seizure rather than a criminal case against DHS Admins and a civil rights case fir children misplaced and misused in foster care and deprived of school and medicine if in that hotel. Bcz foster kids don’t have the upfront assets to seize and feed local LE budget.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.businessinsider.com/civil-asset-forfeiture-doj-new-policy-2017-7
One of the negative impacts of some joint Fed and local LE task forces was that it almost (and in many cases did) presented an incentive for seizures when the sheriff policy was to sell things at auction which made their own employees eligible. In one case I am aware of deputies were driving around in trucks with stolen VIN’s. I am also aware of a few sheriffs or sheriff employees who raided the cash seized as well as drugs for their own use. It is one of the reasons you see a lot less joint task force operations of this kind today. The structure lacked oversight which was a pity because it was the only opportunity for many LEA to receive FBI training.
B
Thank you erose
Don’t forget that history continues day by day and everyone has plenty to learn. So yes, you can teach the teacher something. I just happen to have a big head start on most. We all learn from one another on this blog. While this may be targeted at criminal cases across the country, it is an opportunity to keep your mind sharp and learn things in areas where knowledge may be very thin.
In addition, we all should be thankful that we can look for truth and not have to go through some of the foolish attacks that happen on other blog sites. This is my favorite site for that reason.
ATG, Me too!
Mark Redwine arrested in Bellingham WA.
FINALLY!
I am told a gj indicted him.
B
which brings to mind was there an RV park on or near NW Skyline Blvd in 2010? if so, were those “homes” checked?
http://www.wweek.com/news/city/2017/07/19/portland-is-towing-caravans-of-rvs-off-the-streets-heres-what-its-like-inside-those-motor-homes/
I can tell you as a fact it is impossible for anyone to truly “know” who is in local residence that is homeless, squatting, or living in any sort of undocumented way. Add to that the level 3 RSO’s (OR only publishes level 3 offenders) who are listed as homeless or under a bridge. How could anyone truly track that?
B
Well, Blink, Soldier and her platoon have been all atizzy bcz they concretely generalize from a known father awaiting arrest with overwhelming evidence to an unrelated female (to the Redwines) on the other side of the country and thinkthis arrest substantiates Terri’s guilt and fate. So crazy.
There was blood all over a table and carpet in Redwine’s home and as I understand it the child’s skull (not found until 2015) reflected similar BFT. To my knowledge his own Mother and Father believe Kyron is alive and there has never been ANY evidence, physical or circumstantial that a crime was even committed to Kyron – AND a first gj ended with a no true bill. How is Dylan’s case in any way remotely similar to Kyron’s?
I will say that his Father is a POS, is a guilty murdering pig and I hope he rots in jail until he rots in Hell. Maybe that is the similarity per se- because I would wish the same on any person responsible for Kyron’s fate.
What happened to Dylan never pointed to anyone else, Kyron’s disappearance definitely does and all anyone has to do to confirm that is to pick up the phone and ask that question directly of his parents.
B
I spent all day yesterday in the woods, I even saw a lynx (my first). I was on private timber land, and here in WA people can buy recreational permits to hunt, fish and hike on tree farms, which in essence gives you a key to get into the locked gates and a sticker for your car. I was also in a watershed, which is a highly protected pristine area. Limited people with unlimited access to vast areas of land should be looked ta in Kyron’s case since he has not been found.
Oregon and Washington are so similar in terrain and when I go out in the woods, behind the locked gates, I always wonder who in Oregon had access to places like this, that was at Skyline on June 4, 2010 and did LE ever search these areas for Kyron and check on the comings and goings of the permit holders? I doubt it.
One of my first thoughts on reading this was the Morgan Harrington case. She was found on a nearly 800 acre farm in Cville VA. I know every acre, I can see the aerial images, by season, in my mind. I know every access point, in some heavily wooded areas, I can tell you where the old stills are, and re routed creek beds. I can tell you the watershed maps. I have presented her case in taphophonic abstract as well as from a behavioral profile perspective. To this day, my work on the location of her remains pointed to her offender – LONG BEFORE his last victim. Respectfully submitted it pisses me off. There were other LE errors that protracted her case, but here we are talking about terrain and who may or may not have access.
You are entirely correct about limited access or …documented access being carefully investigated. The most I remember in that regard was some story about a bloody sock which ended up being some sort of feminine hygiene need.
If Kyron is recovered locally, I tend to believe it will lead to someone with sufficient knowledge of the terrain- as well as access. It will point directly to him. Whether LE will detect that or not- I have no earthly idea.
B
Well on reflection, it is unlikely SZ was homeless, squatting, tho he might’ve been in an expensive RV in a legit park bcz he was highly highly organized, & the homeless subculture is not. imo far more organized than the Smart abduction set.
@Blink. You think SZ ever revisits Kyron’s heavily
marketed ages 1-7 pics? fits his profile?
Yes. I do.
B
@erose. I was always big on Bonneville property,
esp just over in WA near State Parks. there’s also lots of
private timberland in OR near State parks. Possibles incl
some highly intellectual environmentalist
knowledgeable firsthand about these properties & noticing
Skyline for its solar (then wind) project. . I thot all the
Bonneville folks who’d been on Skyline premises should be ruled out.
given the fact he’s not been found-like redwine’s
bones & skull were–
is a big argument for limited access property.
Agreed, with the caveat I/we could be wrong about it being someone with local knowledge and access and he was taken away from the area. Afaik, no way to be sure in advance an amber alert would not ensue- so unless I learn something differently I am of the opinion the offender is close or has access close by.
B
speaking of terrain, nature of the terrain is a good argument for systematic drone
pic-taking aerial surveys for geo-forensic analysis
what bothers me about his parents is both seem to have a way greater need to be seen by their associates and the public as good likeable parents than to actually be effective parents in his best interests.
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I try to explain to someone I know that just bcz a man says I love you and calls you sweetie and envelops yr life right off the bat, and his parents treat you like a dau and virtually move you in immediately upon meeting, does not mean any of them act in yr best interests rather than their own interests. To me the bios act like this young man and his family, completely without a comcept of another’s best interests could possibly be different than their own. In my view, the bios simply don’t have a concept of kyron’s interests differing from theirs, & put him first.
look at the States BPA is in. https://www.bpa.gov/PUBLICINVOLVEMENT/LANDSCOMMUNITY/Pages/default.aspx
it’s just a fact all sorts of solar & wind proj mgrs, educators, mechanical contractors (electric, hardware & software suppliers & installers, construction, etc) were physically at Skyline property in the 18 mos preabduction.
a key element wrt Harrington etc was the abductor’s access to transportation.
cab or van driver. whoever took kyron had wheels.
analysing his transportation should’ve yielded hypotheses and leads.
Yes, a critical element leading directly to Harrington’s rapist/killer was that she was searching for access to a ride, told her friends she had arranged one, and a key witness to her last moments was a “limo driver” who pointed at an exchange between her and basketball players, as well as an area where only UVA employees had access. This is a very oversimplified view of evidence pointing to the offender as a transportation provider of course, but to our point, most certainly Kyron was removed from the school by some vehicle, operated by SZ – he did not vanish.
People that knew Jessie Matthew commented that he looked like the sketch- that I forced the VSP to release (because it was learned he was directly connected to a 2005 unsolved rape and attempted murder case in Fairfax) ALSO culminated with an offer to the victim “for a ride”. BTW, the Harrington’s sued JPJ arena- unlike Kyron’s parents refusing to hold Skyline accountable.
The overall point here, and not just from a logistics perspective is the “devil we don’t know” is in the details gleaned on day one from the school, just like nearly every case I have ever worked on. The arrow pointing to SZ lies within the witnesses at Skyline School on June 4th 2010 at a minimum.
B
If Kyron is recovered, it will be someone accidentally finding the remains much like finding those of Morgan Harrington. With Morgan, it should have happened a lot sooner if LE assigned had been familiar with the street activities in Charlottesville and researched all the background on cab drivers.
In my 1999 road trip,we traveled South from the Canadian border on I-5 to Salem, then took state highway 22 East into the Willamette National Forrest following it to the intersection with highway 20 and then SE to the town of Bend. I was surprised at how clean the forest floor was when compared to forests in East Texas, Arkansas and Louisiana. Forests with tall trees at high elevations have less underbrush. The Willamette National Forest extends from the Columbia river (Multnomah County) South to near the California Line.
Here is the article written by Law Prof. Stephen Kanter about the bloody sock he found. Such an example of common sense v policy or protocol or lack thereof. (Just google map Black Butte Trailhead Oregon.)
http://www.oregonlive.com/opinion/index.ssf/2010/07/web_exclusive_a_bloody_find_an.html
Thank you erose.
B
Same Link. BTW, I call BS on this, because when you read Kanter’s story, he was at the trailhead at 6 am and only ran into a couple whose cell phone he borrowed to call LE. “She” wasn’t there on a date before 6 a, with her young son and a new boyfriend. No way.
JJJJ
Sep 23, 2010
A friend of mine just told me about this post when I was relating an embarrassing tale to her. I feel I owe everyone here an apology for all the concern this has caused. I can’t believe what I have read here! From the absolutely horrifying article, to all the rabid responses. At first I wasn’t certain, but after some checking I feel I am sure I know what that sock was all about. I was hiking up on Black Butte that day, with a boyfriend, it was our first (and only) date. He was carrying my young son on his back, and was pretty mad at me, I could tell he was not too happy at the prospect of hooking up with a single mom. The whole trip was just a drag. I felt awful, had terrible cramps, which had just come on suddenly. I had forgotten to bring the proper supplies in all the confusion of the morning, and I had to make do with whatever I could. That is as much detail as you will get, you’ll just have to do the math yourself. Just so you know, I wasn’t littering, I didn’t know it was gone until later.
I wasn’t going to post this at first, because it is just stupid and embarrassing, but after reading all of the posts it seemed that it was the right thing to do.
Agreed. Fwiw, blood analysis can absolutely determine menstrual blood from “other” blood in most cases.
B
That woman who took responsibility for the sock posted her comment 2 months after the article came out.
Blink, I am following Kyron’s story and I get so frustrated, I cannot imagine being involved as you are, or were with Morgan Harrington, and still being respectful when expressing it. Kudos to your restraint and class.
One of the most haunting things about Morgan’s case that will stay with me always is that I KNEW we were dealing with a serial offender, likely opportunistic and disorganized. If we couple that with the location of her remains, it led to a small enough possible pool of black male offenders (we had his DNA, and a witness description there was no question as to race) that handled correctly I believe would have led to Jessie Matthew as a possible suspect prior to the rape and murder of his last victim, Hannah Graham. We are talking about investigative 101′s here. I published a piece with the extensive history of the property prior to Hannah’s murder and I can tell you I took some serious heat for that because it basically tied the area’s slave history to it. When Jessie Matthew was finally taken into custody he gave his great grandfathers name- one included in my piece. Not trying to make this about me, but to show the answers were right there.
B
ot http://www.oregonlive.com/business/index.ssf/2013/10/bpa_feds_release_damning_inves.html
the Harringtons worked with you and others, sued JPJ Arena, imo did everything right and aggressive as parents.
They controlled their own social media, no crazies tolerated, offered a large reward with the sketches, have done 501c3 good. That said, they were way more highly educated than Kyron’s parents and substantially more socially well adjusted, and the VA Bar and judiciary are like night and day from Oregon’s on both competence and ethics.
Can’t disagree with you Rose.
B
ot Here is Clark Neily today on cspan. I heard on radio & was shocked at statistics.
https://www.c-span.org/video/?431610-4/washington-journal-clark-neily-discusses-civil-asset-forfeiture-policy
imo it explains why a group like mcso does not direct resources broadly to the SOLUTION of a violent crime like kyron’s abduction (no money in it) but rather focuses on cases where civil asset forfeiture (without prosecution most often) is the priority. imo kyron’s case is a “search” case benefiting the SAR recruitment & training program. Also explains why Reese hired retired fbi as head of business–he’ll know how to max out civil asset forfeiture additions to the yearly Budget. McNeily us really a master of this subject; hope the link works.
this year http://www.oregon.gov/cjc/assetforfeiture/Documents/2015%20Asset%20Forfeiture%20in%20Oregon%20report.pdf
mcso & ppb didn’t bother with criminal forfeiture, just civil. medford made out big under both tho.
There were a lot of other answers to the Morgan Harrington case as well. All right in front of the LE people working on the case who thought they were smarter than the general public.
Jessie Mathew should have been discovered in 2009 when he assaulted the ADA in his auto and was given a pass because he apologized and helped the ADA get medical aid.
All across the country, the procedures should be changed to include mandatory DNA tests for any assault case. Then it should be run against statewide data bases and AFIS looking for any other crimes.
Yes, erose, Blink is a professional who tends to business. Dealing with people who do not behave or follow the law is not easy.
…which is why there might be a connection if we remember that Kyron talked about going to see “the cool electric whatever” …
…so someone who asked the teacher for Kyron’s help could have been familiar to the school?
Am still trying to figure out what kind of “description of SZ” anybody can talk about.
@Rose says: July 23, 2017 at 10:40 pm
look at the States BPA is in. https://www.bpa.gov/PUBLICINVOLVEMENT/LANDSCOMMUNITY/Pages/default.aspx
it’s just a fact all sorts of solar & wind proj mgrs, educators, mechanical contractors (electric, hardware & software suppliers & installers, construction, etc) were physically at Skyline property in the 18 mos preabduction.
Rose, Someone from BPA fits that profile perfectly. They also have federal authority over the comings and goings of people within the watershed, in and around the dams on the Columbia, etc. Sometimes a map says more than words.
I have googled several BPA maps, this one shows the dams on the Columbia River, and dam security has been tight since the terror attack on the trade center.
https://www.bing.com/images/search?view=detailV2&ccid=y3LA0wFu&id=292F57403D26DF435B51D1CAE1F8AE869AEE70E6&thid=OIP.y3LA0wFuw2uHPfz6t0ntRAEsDE&q=Bonneville+Power+Administration+Map&simid=608015844297936562&selectedIndex=8&ajaxhist=0
This map shows just how big an area they control.
https://www.eia.gov/todayinenergy/images/2013.06.12/map.png
And then there are the transmission lines.
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I am horrible finding my way around, I get lost, but I love maps. Once I spent some significant time looking at tribal maps of the middle east because I was interested in specific rugs. I noticed that the geopolitical borders imposed on that region are far different than the natural tribal borders. Always thought that might be the reason there is so much trouble in that region of the world.
Incredibly interesting.
B
ot @erose. You notice the Afghan STEM girls DOS 2ce refused
short visas to for a DC robotics competition are from Herat?
noticed yesterday when revisiting Krafve, tho didn’t save the url, that he first got involved in the abduction the evening of 6/4 bcz he was the Sgt on night patrol (I don’t recall if he was on dispatch, or was dispatched). Whatever, he’d been reallocated at some point after “Swimming with Sharks” from “investigator/detective” to night patrol shift on patrol.
From there he parlayed himself off patrol, into the investigation, and back into the “detective unit.” Imo he took over when Lee Gossum was reassigned, and O’Donnell imo worked for and at the direction of Krafve. Then by Oct ’10 he was in charge of the “Task Force.” Subsequently, he with his old partner Subic (or is it Kubic?) are the backbone of the Investigators unit under Ned Wall. Case allowed him to maneuver himself off night patrol.
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An idea I would execute if I ruled the Oct Task Force.
First call for and repeatedly phone and dispatch foot patrol to visit (say those former scouts now SAR) every parent or stand in in the school, not just on the List, seeking stills and video of every moment of 6/4. Would not rely on the list but cover all staff and visitors and school enrollees–latter both child and adult. Start with a letter, then with in person visits. Have a devoted drop box to upload to but offer to pick up hard copies.
Second, so as not to confuse things, when all of 6/4 is nailed down, solicit stills and videos of every staff, visit, and school enrollee adult and child of every event or any school visits whatsoever from August 2009-June 2010. Beat the bushes; include everyone enrolled in the school; do not focus just on The List. SZ easily might have attended other events, ie cleanups of property, classroom demonstrations and activities.
Third, sort the school year photo/video two ways: one by event, two by sex, age, race.
Fourth compare the visuals in those two categories (by event and by demographics) with all visuals from 6/4 (and even include 6/3). See if someone not connected with the school body appears in both (this is looking for irregular or stranger visitors, not staff or parents).
Examine for the out of the ordinary visitor.
on the other hand maybe an employee
of mcso was at the SF so investigators
really don’t want all pics.
erose
I think the careful control of areas around the Columbia River are new precautions created by the attacks on 9-11.
One of the things I was doing on the 1999 road trip was to visit all of the large dams in the Western US. We were able to drive right up to Big Chief dam and across the top of Grand Coulee and then down behind the dam to the tail race area which included the maintenance area. No one challenged us at either location.
Maps are important for information of all types. Aerial photography by the military and other government agencies along with commercial electric power companies and pipeline companies added a lot to our knowledge. Satellite mapping beginning in the late 1960′s added much more.
One of the most interesting maps in the US is the original map of the territory of Texas when it was a Spanish holding. Most people never get exposed to how the United States acquired the lands beyond the original colonies. The Louisiana Purchase did not include all of the land now recognized in the State of Louisiana, or Mississippi or Alabama and Western Florida. This was acquired in 1819 by treaty with Spain.
The story of the mid-East and tribes is a long one. Those people were there fifty or more thousand years ago and migrated out of the area and around the Mediterranean sea leaving behind multiple tribes that did not build real countries with sustainability.
Look at North Korea as a recent model of that behavior. Little N. Korean dictator Kim-un destroyed all of his family so that no one could challenge him. This is how it happened in the mid-East where a strong man would take over several tribes and call the result some name as a country. They would then capture and destroy all those that had potential to challenge their authority. The life of the country was limited to a single generation. The major exceptions to that were Egypt and Syria. The Romans made major changes to the mid-East when they became powerful enough to overrun the area.
The tribal culture from primitive times to the preset still exist in the Mid-East. The major mapping of the Mid-East by country was done by the British following world war I. Winston Churchill was the primary decision maker. He later admitted that he did it wrong.