Dr. Phil Show Hosts Missing Portland Child Kyron Horman’s Step Mom Terri Horman Over Two Episodes

I have been covering this case since Kyron Horman disappeared from Skyline School in June, 2010.    Like most missing persons cases I have covered in the past,  I am of the strong opinion that best efforts at the truth are the only way to propel investigations that, similarly to Kyron’s, have gone cold for one reason or another.   This approach has worked in resolving some of my previous cases.    I am proud of that.  I remain steadfast to the integrity involved in those and future cases.

Over the past 10 months (or so) I have been developing an updated series on Kyron’s case to include my multiple interviews with Kyron’s step-mom,  Terri Horman.   Needless to say as she was the subject of at least three simultaneous cases before an Oregon court and remains a person of interest by the agency investigating her sons disappearance, this has been an arduous and sometimes delicate journey.    Ms. Horman’s experiences during the ongoing investigation of the disappearance of Kyron Horman are critically important to propelling his case and with great hope- finding the truth about what happened to this cherubic and innocent child.    There are dozens of sources,  collateral interviews, forensic experts and legal analysts that also contribute to my series and have done so because of their belief that my motivation is to bring to light information and opinions in such a way that would almost “require” a focused review of Kyron’s case and the likely shaking of that proverbial tree everyone talks about.

Set to publish about 6-ish weeks ago I was asked to postpone the first installment of the series, which I did.  I subsequently learned Ms. Horman was participating in the Dr. Phil program after she completed taping.  Dr. Phils producers were well aware that Ms. Horman had interviewed with me extensively, and anticipated my series would be publishing information that was not known to the public previously in the days prior to her scheduled episode.    When Ms. Horman conveyed to me that she feels obligated to speak out about “her son” in any national medium that will have her,   I most certainly respected that.  I still do.

While Dr. Phil seems like a gregarious fellow for sure,   I have zero interest in being associated with his program, nor do I believe his shows content is designed to do any furtherance of investigation or truth.  There is much concern (although I have no affiliation to the show whatsoever) that the timing of the publication of my series on the Kyron Horman matter might be interpreted differently or inadvertently contribute to the programs content or audience reactions.     Not what I signed on for.   A missing 7 year old boy six years running is not a framework for entertaining a target audience.   He is not fodder for online social media bully campaigns- yet it occurs.

I will be publishing my series on Kyron’s case at a later date, in it’s entirety with no editing adjustments as a result of any of the appearances on Dr. Phil.   I appreciate your patience and your understanding.   Feel free to discuss the show below.

 

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  1. rose says:

    ot appears to be the alleged sex abuser
    returned from Shanghai. Realtors control
    their schedule. https://www.linkedin.com/in/toby-mendenhall-5712a3119

  2. mul says:

    I am not following?
    B

  3. Miss Bri says:

    I know this story is about a week old but I always get my hopes up (for lack of a better phrase) when I see skeletal remains were found. Police believe it’s been there a while but no other details included. Has anyone seen any follow up to this? I tried to find an update but came up empty.

    (Snip)
    TACOMA, Wash. (AP) — Authorities are working to identify remains after mushroom pickers found a human skull in a wooded area in eastern Pierce County.

    KCPQ-TV reports that the skull was covered in moss and appears to have been there for a long time.

    Pierce County Sheriff’s Detective Ed Troyer says investigators don’t know yet if it’s a missing person case, a homicide or some other case.
    (Snip)

    http://koin.com/ap/mushroom-pickers-find-human-skull-in-eastern-pierce-county/

  4. Rose says:

    Blink, feel free to erase anything I post which does not advance the topic.

    I have been thinking for a couple of weeks much has been made of the “chaotic” school fair and how that more likely than not facilitated the crime and the coverup. As to the coverup (who did what when and where…whether Terri, PPS staff, or SZ), it seems to me the fair itself was no more chaotic than any science fair day in an el ed which combined early childhood classroom displays with gym touring for older kids’ displays. it is typical for children to run out of doors, and back in, and for teachers to loosely supervise when parents are present to cover that, they hope. The one significant flaw is that all doors were unlocked for Entrance rather than merely the front door with a check in and badge. They have to be unlocked for egress. SZ lokely deliberately chose a room which online showed a door opening from a classroom to the exterior.

    but, I am thinking all those people, despite several resembling SZ, were really a blassing, because if MCSO had been organized and diligent, there were multiple witnesses to SZ and his path through the school. And those attendees were all over the place. That is a good thing for an investigation of a specific perpetrator in a sense.

    What MCSO needed to do when memories were fresh, and hopefully SZ exiting with Kyron with an unknown male of a certain type was know the first evening–why wouldn’t Mathews report that interactions?– would be to locate him within the school and track him through it. For that it seems to me the same small group of say 3 detectives would question the attendees classroom by classroom physically in their homerooms to prick memories, and collaborate as a group interview with each “room” until an unknown WM was reported in that room or in the halls or other spaces. I’d go classroom by classroom with the same interviewers. After SZ was pinned down in some places, then it would be time for individual interviews of who was in this location about this time and can add to our store of knowledge. Lastly after that, there could be an all-school assembly of attendees in the gym processing the knowledge obtained and trying to add to it. This should have been done the first 2-3 days. None of this drop off written questionnaires stuff. I would make 3 investigators co-accountable conducting co-interviews at the same time. Anyway, with groups working to id then track SZ through the school right up front, things would have gone much better, imo.

    I don’t think any investigator who knew what they were doing would disagree with a thing you have said. Frankly, its protocol. That said, its only protocol for trained investigators with experience building high volume witness timeline and then analysis, re interview with importance on technique so as to not dilute or alter original accounts.
    B

  5. rose says:

    @Blink, was SZ dressed like a laborer or
    blue collar, or slacks & shirt?
    Surely witnesses knew that much.

    Not a laborer is about as comfortable as I am. And when I say not a laborer my thought on that is someone that would be described as there to preform some sort of labor at the time. Otherwise, way too general.
    B

  6. cd says:

    rose says:
    October 23, 2017 at 11:08 pm
    ot Looks like Morris’ mfa is in creative
    writing, at a most creative school. So creative
    her book will be.
    *************
    I was surprised to rad that Authors Rebecca Morris and Gregg Olsen were getting ready to do a true crime book/story on the Kyron Horman case. I think that other authors trying to create a story out of this case have run into difficulties.

    1. MCSO won’t release info to anyone
    2. Many of DY’s recollections are misleading both in the time that led up to Kyrons disappearance and things she has said about the day Kyron went missing (some are just completely false).
    3. Terri probably will not talk to them. (I am sure Houze will advise against it)
    4. Dede will not want to be interviewed (maybe they will talk to her crazy cousin Tom.
    5. Kaine and his family probably will not talk to them either.
    6. Rudy the landscaper is not going to want to be involved.
    7. some of the accusations made in this case are patently false ie. the murder for hire and any accusations against Dede.
    8. there is not even 1 piece of hard evidence of what happened to Kyron. When you look at all of the BS with a critical eye there really isn’t even any circumstantial evidence thats points to Terri either.

    (I read that Gregg is planning to making Dede’s and Terri’s guilt central to his story)

    The attempts I have seen to write stories around this case (True crime daily) come off as trying to stretch a very small amount of information based on rumors into a story. The would be authors (who usually want to show sympathy to DY) usually end up with emotional story based media hype and half truths told by DY.

    I know Gregg. I have not discussed this case with him nor do I plan to, but I do not believe for one moment he would plan to pen a book demonstrating guilt of persons never charged with anything and a missing child still missing. Who wants to write a fake true crime book and get sued? Sweeps are starting, jus sayin’
    B

  7. cd says:

    cd says:
    October 28, 2017 at 3:29 am
    rose says:
    October 23, 2017 at 11:08 pm
    ot Looks like Morris’ mfa is in creative
    writing, at a most creative school. So creative
    her book will be.

    I am pretty sure Kaine will not help with this book because over the last few years Desiree, her sister and her hater facebook pals have been hinting that Kaine is concealing Kyrons body on his property. This is because he won’t let Desiree and her searchers use cadaver dogs on his property. I don’t think Kaine would want suspicions of that nature published in a book that K could read someday or be read by others and repeated back to her. In a way DY has allowed Soldier to poison the well. To bad better judgement did not prevail.

    Also there is that protection order.

    Reminder of the scathing open post DY wrote to “People” when they published to include an interview with TMH. As I recall she openly threatened that they would not be on the distribution chain if anything “major” in terms of developments occurred. Something to keep in mind here- DY herself has never, at any time, publicly made the allegation that she believes Kaine’s property has never been searched by cadaver dogs. She confronted Kaine about personally not being allowed to search his property (no mention of cadaver dogs), to which he responded that it had been searched 11 times by LE and they have open permission to search it at any time they request. It should be noted that I am told some of those searches occurred while she was at the house. I have already commented on the record numerous times that a canine trained to detect human remains was used to clear the property in the early hours of June 5th upon the CARD team’s arrival to the Horman home. DY knows this. I would add I do not recall that accusation brought forth in her civil suit.

    As I recall, the only other inference about Kyron being buried on Kaine’s property was a hearsay comment offered by Dr. Phil that was said to him (allegedly) which he did not air publicly and I assume that was because it was not offered as a public statement. There’s a reason for that. It’s not true.

    B

  8. rose says:

    “ I do not believe for one moment he would plan to pen a book demonstrating guilt of persons never charged with anything and a missing child still missing”

    Then why the publicity pics of him at Skyline
    being oriented by Desiree to Kyron’s path
    (the doors/exterior) that morning?

    I don’t know rose, except in her own words Morris (no relation to SM) has stated they MAY wish to write about Desiree and Kyron “someday”, but are focused rn on finding answers about what happened to him. I have always said I encourage anyone with training and resources to direct their advocacy to Kyron’s recovery. She also clarified her earlier statement that (wtte) investigators did not believe she dropped Kyron off to “they question it”.

    I think for some investigators that was true at one time. I also know Staton publicly stated that thinking was incorrect.

    At the end of the day, in my view DY is a victim here. If the prospect of a book about Kyron is cathartic to her in some way, good for her. See, MCSO does not haunt journalists conducting interviews and demand their source material, lol. It just does not occur and all anyone would have to do is pick up the phone and verify that with them directly.

    I don’t expect anyone here will need to review this ACLU brief (OREGON) but maybe it will serve as a learning moment for anyone who reads here being told blatant and willfull lies to the contrary- this is just a minor recent example re actual persons in custody:

    https://www.aclu-or.org/en/cases/aclu-files-court-brief-support-quashing-reporter-subpoena-oregon-standoff-trial

    B

  9. rose says:

    and why start with Desiree?
    and promote photos with her,
    visibly taking notes of her chatter?
    Why not visit Staton in retirement?

    We don’t know if that was a starting point or any other verifiable details. I have close connections to the publishing world, specifically true crime non-fiction. I am aware of several previously published authors under contract who have completed “works” in the can their publishers are not green-lighting to print. The space is so litigation averse right now.
    Nobody will touch anything with any potential for defamation in an open criminal matter- perhaps there is no harm in establishing relationships for a future project. However, I can tell you that the fact that DY would potentially be willing to contribute to a book written by someone else tells me she is/was unable to secure a contract herself- that is telling in and of itself. I have heard her comment publicly that TMH has a publishing contract.

    Once again, respectfully submitted, I continue my lack of understanding as to why Kyron’s parents are spending any time doing anything that is not directly related to actively progressing Kyron’s case.

    B

  10. A Texas Grandfather says:

    I would add to Rose’s list of investigative behaviors that all interviews should be with video to have voice inflections and body posture of those interviewed for future reference. This would include the group meeting in the gym.

    Wow B, fifty-three pages of art history in the .pdf link. A lot of thinking regarding how to see art of various periods. Is this a recommendation of a way to stretch concepts of investigation?

    Sorry, lol, no, you caught me in a lame attempt to bait my dearest and beloved Rose over a private political comment.
    It was an ornery response to an ornery post, lol, my apologies.

    Agreed on the interviews being recorded. In the face of how witness accounts were initially handled, later handled, the whole leave your plate number on a recording nonsense and the here’s a flyer with our primary suspect and unfortunately now our grass cutter has changed his timeline bs, was there ever really a way to preserve any of that effectively?

    B

  11. erose says:

    Rose, I think the public expected that the investigation of a missing child from a school would have followed some sort of protocol as you described. There was a list of agencies a mile long, so why would any of us ever doubt the handling of the investigation with expectations of the most professional seasoned investigators specializing in child abduction from the FBI in charge.

    Instead, well you know. Days were spent searching for a child that wandered off, with it seems the only parallel investigation focusing on the close knit family which immediately focused on TH, and then they didn’t get that right because the rest of the family was never properly vetted.

    A parallel investigation should have focused on strangers. Though statistically the least likely scenario, it is the most dangerous for overall public safety. With all those agencies that were involved you would think the FBI would have been in charge of the entire investigation and protocols, and would have delegated task to state and local law enforcement.

    It’s incredulous that this wasn’t a three pronged investigation, day one. Either the child wandered off – SAR effort, or the child was abducted by a family member or someone known to him, or was abducted by a stranger. All three possibilities should have been pursued simultaneously, not sequentially.

    Post of the day erose, thank you.

    I will say that initially there was a 2 prong investigation led by FBI’s CARD. The prongs were 1. Kyron wandered away or intentionally left the school on his own. 2. Parent (Terri) had some sort of accident with him (2 posits were he drowned off Columbia slough or she accidentally ran him over and dumped him somewhere). TMH brought up many questions about RSO’s as a possibility and initially she was told there “were none” in the area up to 5 miles and then told her within days every one of them had been interviewed and cleared. Shocker alert- untrue.

    One of the things about statistics it seems to me people do not seem to understand is that they are based on additional case criteria or data sets. As an example, from a victimology perspective Kyron Horman was rated low risk. Add Kaine’s run in with the DEA and associates and he moved to moderate. (intended as an example not a true and correct assessment). Same is true if we factor RSE involvement with TH. So when we see statistically that a stranger abduction/crime is the statistical longshot or “rare” factor in a case- if we increase the opportunity by decreasing the standard of care and security of an event and we increase the exposure to dozens and dozens of untrackable strangers present at a time where we now KNOW Kyron went missing, that “stranger rarity” possibility just got a whole lot less rare.

    That said, the FBI SA’s that worked on Kyron’s case in the beginning do not agree with MCSO’s track of their investigation then or now. MCSO staff that have had access to the case file at one time or another also do not agree with the current and prevailing tunnel vision of Terri.

    B

  12. Rose says:

    OT thank you for the educational posts, Blink. ATG, when I bored Blink with OT article I read in the Oregonian, I would call me not Awn-ree but querulous and shocked. It involved orchestras, chamber, opera, and ballet, so it struck home.

    You have never bored me in the least Rose.
    xo
    B

  13. Rose says:

    @erose. great post. I especially like the criticality of the public safety emphasis: “A parallel investigation should have focused on strangers. Though statistically the least likely scenario, it is the most dangerous for overall public safety. With all those agencies that were involved you would think the FBI would have been in charge of the entire investigation and protocols, and would have delegated task to state and local law enforcement”

    I find Blink’s depiction of the CARD initial approach to be two theories that were beyond ridiculous as priorities, sorry. “initially there was a 2 prong investigation led by FBI’s CARD. The prongs were 1. Kyron wandered away or intentionally left the school on his own. 2. Parent (Terri) had some sort of accident with him (2 posits were he drowned off Columbia slough or she accidentally ran him over and dumped him somewhere).” Someone on that team led a rich fantasy life.

    I am on board with three prongs: l) rule out all family members (four plus to include dysfunctional close relations on both parental sides as well); 2) rule out all school-associated staff and contractors who had visited the premises in the last year or so; 3) stranger abduction due to open doors, many strangers about.

    My feeling is despite Kyron disappearing to the bathroom or with a peer occasionally, his personality, motor tone, and demeanor as it is publically known was not at all the time to “wander away” from the school itself, from the events of the day, from his friends whoever they really were, or from the shelter of having known adults around. Moreover, in three years, including when he was much younger, he had never left intentionally. That theory should have been thrown out immediately. In any case, if he had done so, they would have found him as much by searching for the discard of a predator stranger, as the same radius would be searched.

    It sounds like Esther Mathews did not come forward promptly and state she had permitted Kyron to go outside for an errands with a stranger at X time.
    Tragic.

    I would only offer that we must consider with a missing child LE works from an exclusionary perspective. The only way to “exclude” he ran off in the early stages was to form SAR operations- Sadly, had the witness accounts of Kyron walking out the door with SZ been dominant (wth other word can I use? This information was intentionally withheld from many investigators working the case to include the task force, etc) it is my view an amber alert would have commenced.

    Kyron was missing 6-7 hours by the time anyone was aware apparently. In criminal non-family abduction terms that is a lifetime. If this was a sexually motivated criminal offender, and I am convinced it was, it is very likely he was already deceased. This case is an FBI kidnapping case on its face and should have been handed to them in the first weeks of June 2010. It is unbearably sad that in my mind the best I hope for is that if this child is recovered it is outside Multnomah and my sincere hope is that he crossed state lines. I pray constantly that this offender does not harm another child. That said, he likely already has.
    B

  14. rose says:

    kyron was “not at all the Type.” not time.

  15. erose says:

    Blink, I guess the FBI dropped the ball initially by not investigating all three possibilities. It’s almost as if the stranger possibility is so remote the resources aren’t used. The danger I see in that is if LE doesn’t investigate that possibility, all the SZ’s can get away with what they do, and the stats will stay low because no one is ever caught. KWIM?

    Can we extrapolate that the FBI lied to TH because they too believed her guilty and the time?

    snip>

    I will say that initially there was a 2 prong investigation led by FBI’s CARD. The prongs were 1. Kyron wandered away or intentionally left the school on his own. 2. Parent (Terri) had some sort of accident with him (2 posits were he drowned off Columbia slough or she accidentally ran him over and dumped him somewhere). TMH brought up many questions about RSO’s as a possibility and initially she was told there “were none” in the area up to 5 miles and then told her within days every one of them had been interviewed and cleared. Shocker alert- untrue.

    B

    As far as I know through the FBI directly and through multiple confirmed sources, the FBI was only ever in assist mode in Kyron’s case. That said, it is a fair assessment to say that the FBI did not agree with the MCSO/MCDA track and tactics and in fact, with the data they were given, could not exclude a stranger or unsub offender. Truth is the Matthews exchange was withheld from the assigned agents so the FBI’s official position then was that they could not even conclude with certainty that a crime was committed- if we analyze that ever so topically, we can understand why they pulled their agents just prior to the RSE sting. Its not really unusual for County LE to rebuff the FBI at least initially, in fact, I would say it happens more than not. What also has been occurring in a great amount of recent cold case closures is the FBI is taking over cases at the request of victims with standing when there are accusations of negligence or requests for outside oversight.

    One thing is absolutely true- at no time in over 7 1/2 years has MCSO ever requested an independent review of their 59 binder cold case file of a missing child from a public school. An agency on it’s 4th or so Sheriff following oustings of their predecessors and millions in civil payouts allegedly due to misconduct. How is that possible?

    B

  16. erose says:

    correction: “at the time?”

  17. rose says:

    @Blink wrt “The only way to “exclude” he ran off in the early stages was to form SAR operations- Sadly, had the witness accounts of Kyron walking out the door with SZ been dominant (wth other word can I use? This information was intentionally withheld from many investigators working the case to include the task force,”

    My point was the only way to exclude “walk away” was to search, but isn’t that the same SAR choice as an adjunct to stranger abduction theory? that is, SAR would work the statistical discard radius in any case. Secondly you said FBI CARD initially dominated with 2 theories which did NOT inclde steanger abduction. And you seemed to differentiate CARD team from SAs later involved. Therefore, the “withholders” of SZ witness info from task force & mcso investigators was that original CARD team?

  18. rose says:

    “at no time in over 7 1/2 years has MCSO ever requested an independent review of their 59 binder cold case file …. How is that possible?” That is not only possible but predetermined because the two victims with standing refuse to request same in writing of the Sheriff (and County Chair Kafoury concurrently).

    Must do it before Reese’s reelection bid in the Spring or Fuggedaboutit for years. While I hope Desiree’s forays into attention-providing true crime authors are cathartic or help repair her self esteem, imo nothing she gets attention for apart from requesting that FBI record review of mcso is “for Kyron.” It’s for her. When wondering why they will not make that request as other victims do, I also keep remember these victims and their families have not been adequately investigated and excluded. Perhaps they fear FBI findings.

  19. rose says:

    why cowrite Kafoury? She will protect Reese, not MCSO (after all, abduction happened on her & his predecessor’s watches), thus she would eagerly prod him to transfer to FBI to get him off the accountability seat imo and let the chips fall where they may wrt to mcso. After all, he can come out and say, that was then,this is now, and I’m reforming the agency.

  20. T. Ruth says:

    Blink says:
    (snipped)

    The only way to “exclude” he ran off in the early stages was to form SAR operations- Sadly, had the witness accounts of Kyron walking out the door with SZ been dominant (wth other word can I use? This information was intentionally withheld from many investigators working the case to include the task force, etc)
    (snipped)
    Truth is the Matthews exchange was withheld from the assigned agents so the FBI’s official position then was that they could not even conclude with certainty that a crime was committed

    ***************

    This is the first time I’ve heard this. The exchange between the stranger within Matthews class was withheld? Really? Why? and Withheld by Whom? When and why was it finally revealed? Since ya’ll are talking about where this investigation should have started, I don’t know about you, but as soon as that information surfaced, I would have begun investigating the who and the why. The answers might very likely point to SZ himself.

    This is unbelievable. A child goes missing from a school and a teacher withholds information? WTH?

    I appolly T. Ruth, I moderated this 2x over two days and it kept in the moderation queue?
    I did not say Matthews withheld that info- it was withheld from some members of MCSO and the task force. You can deduct from that the incident report from the school is NOT part of the case file database.
    eRose is now floor googling but it will not help, lol. True story. The incident report where a 7 year old goes missing after interacting with Mathews and walking out the door with SZ is NOT** a document in the case file. To clarify- I am specifically referring to the mandatory reporting aspect of a required incident report.

    **Please note above correction posted 11/3/17 9:47am

    B

  21. rose says:

    I have read you better & I gather the Mathews’ event was not withheld BY the FBI CARD team but FROM them, as well as mcso front line investigators & task force.
    Did Krafve know? Fid O’Donnell? Did Staton make the “withhold” decision? Who did?

    Not comfortable assigning that info individually without offering them the opportunity to weigh in, which as you know, they will not.
    B

  22. rose says:

    Remindsmeof Kaine’s statements when kiara was 2:
    “”It is very dangerous to label a child and see normal developmental behaviors in a pathological manner,” she wrote in her October 2015 report. “The father has not explored any other possibility for Alice’s behavior other than blaming the mother.”” http://portlandtribune.com/go/42-news/377071-262739-family-court-affair-custody-battle-preceded-fatal-stabbing
    One wonders what efforts were made to investigate his mistress and her associates.

  23. RoseRed says:

    It seems obvious that Kaine should have totally insisted on having the FBI called in right away (unless he had some wacky plot in mind to get rid of his wife by blaming her). Even after all this time, everything points to Kaine, who is probably lawyered up to the max. He’s the one who should have insisted on FBI involvement, not local LE. Why he didn’t makes one wonder if he is just a nimnal, or if he had more nefarious reasons for not doing so. Is there a chance that LE is looking at him??

    Blink wrote:
    Kyron was missing 6-7 hours by the time anyone was aware apparently. In criminal non-family abduction terms that is a lifetime. If this was a sexually motivated criminal offender, and I am convinced it was, it is very likely he was already deceased. This case is an FBI kidnapping case on its face and should have been handed to them in the first weeks of June 2010.

    All I can say is that there is one agency that by Fed law, (US Code 18 SS 1201) unless the minor was “kidnapped” by a parent, Kyron’s case should fall under Federal Jurisdiction:

    https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/1201

    I wish to be crystal clear on this point- either Kaine or Desiree can request the FBI review the case at anytime and the FBI will submit that request directly to MCSO- I have zero doubt MCSO would comply. Either parent can request the FBI assume jurisdiction of Kyron’s case directly to them or through MCSO. MCSO would then have to request the FBI take over the case jurisdiction. I fervently believe that MCSO would never turn over this case jurisdiction unless one of Kyron’s parents escalated a request for review to the ODOJ. I am 100% confident for reasons I am not permitted to discuss publicly that the best chance Kyron Horman has of being recovered is if the FBI assumes jurisdiction in this case.

    If one is a true advocate for this child and what happened to him- it should be completely inconsequential where the evidence leads or does not if the priority rests solely on finding him. If no parent is escalating a case that has not progressed in over 7 1/2 years and through 2 failed gj’s- can someone tell me how the “best interests” of Kyron Horman are being served in any way?

    B
    B

  24. erose says:

    Blink, Does that mean that MCSO designated the FBI to investigate the wandering child and the accidental murder? I mean couldn’t anyone from the FBI CARD team investigate the stranger scenario without the blessings of MCSO. (Gosh, I know I am so made for TV movie.)

    SNIP>

    As far as I know through the FBI directly and through multiple confirmed sources, the FBI was only ever in assist mode in Kyron’s case.

    B

    http://blinkoncrime.com/2016/09/21/dr-phil-show-hosts-missing-portland-child-kyron-hormans-step-mom-terri-horman-over-two-episodes/#comments

    Yes, MCSO was lead and dictated assistance tasks. The FBI CARD team still works at the behest of the local agency if they are not the cj agency of jurisdiction.
    B

  25. T. Ruth says:

    I have a post hanging out from yesterday. I’m trying to understand this, at first I thought you meant Ms. Matthews withheld her account of Kyron and a stranger. Then I thought maybe you meant PPS (as in Keefer) withheld the account. Now I’m seeing that the account was withheld from the FBI, but even more importantly, The Task Force itself. Which was set up by Staton, so I doubt he withheld the info. (IIRC Months had gone by before they were formed, Sept/Oct?) So I’m really confused as to who held this information in the first place, if not one of the officers assigned to the TF, then who? And why would they withhold it? Was Matthews called before the GJ, and if so do we know when? Is that when the info finally surfaced?

    I can’t discuss Mathews wrt her gj appearance/testimony. I am very limited in what I can release re her deposition in the Horman civil matter. What I can say is that her deposition is not in the criminal case file. It has never been requested from the court which is required to log those requests. The most I can offer “generally” is that my source interviews yielded information by persons with access at one time or another that indicated the fact that Kyron was witnessed walking out the door with SZ following the Mathews exchange was known by some assigned to the case, and was withheld as “need to know” to others and that very set of circumstances was confirmed to me a source within MCSO.

    B

  26. rose says:

    re reply to rose says:
    October 30, 2017 at 4:19 pm
    “the opportunity to weigh in, which as you know, they will not.”
    Then it was somebody high up in mcso/da and my bet is on the latter.

  27. rose says:

    Seems to me PPS Legal likely informed MCDA of Mathews’ sighting, as it had ramifications for the District, and DA—busy making a case against Terri and effecting a “legal plan” to entrap her, failed to disclose to CARD and mcso Task Force. Why distract investigators when a grand jury set up to indict Terri is merrily rolling along?

    Reminder: a member of the MCDA office had 2 kids at Skyline. By ALL accounts I am aware of that individual never once discussed the case with any other parent (for obvious reasons) but REMOVED their children from the school the following school year without moving from their home. In fact, several parents did. With a state of the art facial recognition and security monitor system in place I think we can all assume it was not because anyone was afraid of Terri Horman.

    Not to you of course, but some days I just wish I was smart enough to event an insertable “reasonable person” chip.
    Reasonable- Kyron left with an unidentified man or his identity is known and withheld even from Kaine Horman (see his 2015 interview where he finally admits to SZ “who’s identity is not known to LE”. There are multiple witnesses of record and in fact, one of them, EM, gave a deposition to confirm statements made in open court by an officer of the court, Steve Houze.

    B

  28. rose says:

    Gotta wonder hiw Mathews can live with herself for failing to disclose the departure of Kyron with SZ to the public via a media interview (anonymously even) when she saw MCSO/DA was not disclosing or pursuing, as erose says, it’s a huge public safety issue.

  29. A Texas Grandfather says:

    The fact that Portland and Multnomah county lie so close to the state line to Washington State should have triggered the FBI to be in charge rather than the Sheriff. In addition, within two hours it is possible to reach the Idaho state line or very close. Kyron was not reported missing for at least six hours. That fact would allow reaching California or possibly Montana or even completely across Washington state to Canada.

    This is a complete failure for the bio parents. Both should have immediately called for the FBI to take charge of the entire investigation. I blame this also on Tony Young and his intrusion into the parents choices.

  30. A Texas Grandfather says:

    Rose

    I am not at all surprised at your shock as you read the political exercises regarding the arts activities in Portland. I know from personal experience. I sang for a year in the chorus of a professional opera company and played in a professional symphony orchestra for two years in order to pay my way through college. Everyone competes for all the dollars in order to pay for their program.

  31. lizzy says:

    Why do you hope he crossed state lines?

    Because it may qualify under FBI jurisdiction to fall to them as the criminal justice agency. Not always but more likely than not at this phase.
    B

  32. rose says:

    re “The incident report where a 7 year old goes missing after interacting with Mathews and walking out the door with SZ is a document in the case file.” Didn’t you mean to have the word “NOT” a doc in this sentence?

    Its there. NOT in the case file. I am referring to my response to Truth, if I erred elsewhere please let me know and thank you
    B

  33. T. Ruth says:

    I agree with you rose, I think the DA’s office must be the “withholder”.

    I just don’t understand withholding it from the Task Force. Good grief.
    I am now wondering if when Staton indicated something about wondering if they’re going in the right direction or whatever, if that’s when the information actually became known to MCSO? This is just nuts.

    *******
    Blink, you’ve often compared this case with the Jon Bonet case, did the local authorities remain in charge of her case all those years, or in that case, did the parents request FBI take over?

    My information indicates it was MCSO. The DA has no authority do decide (investigatively) something like that and may not even be aware that was/is the case. I am aware of a few egregious errors I was told the DA’s office were not informed of before hand. A recent one was the Spicher debacle and was the reason Kravfe and Herron were removed as investigators.

    On Ramsey- Boulder PD had the case until Alex Hunter removed jurisdiction from them, Mary Lacy, the following DA maintained jurisdiction, tested additional evidence for DNA and publicly exonerated the Ramsey family. It was only returned to Boulder PD after Stan Garrett took office, where is remains today.

    At the time, very early into the case the Ramsey’s hired former FBI BSU section chief John Douglas to interview them, review the case and develop a profile of the unsub. So, in that sense, I do believe it was a litmus test to ultimately request the case be handled by the FBI, HOWEVER, once it was learned Douglas was a paid consultant and his opinion was that the Ramsey’s were not involved, the Ramsey’s were aware this now became the very unenviable expert potential for conflict of interest. As I studied components of the Ramsey case under the FBI Quantico protocol which is covered by an NDA, what I can say is that SAC’s of different expertise forensically within the FBI did not agree on findings and as far as forensic evidence is concerned, their lab was a year into whistleblower- induced review
    ( https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/crime/convicted-defendants-left-uninformed-of-forensic-flaws-found-by-justice-dept/2012/04/16/gIQAWTcgMT_story.html?hpid=z3&utm_term=.87fb595a3c41). At that point it seemed to the Ramsey counsel it was a frying pan vs fire scenario.
    B

  34. rose says:

    yes, Blink, I got that quote from
    T. Ruth says:
    October 30, 2017 at 1:59 pm

    Your 3rd sentence said the incident report was NOT in the case file data base,
    but your last sentence said the incident report IS a doc in the case file. Just
    trykng to clarify.

    Thank you rose, I noted and posted the correction. The mandatory incident report from June 4th 2010 at Skyline School is not located in the 59 binder Kyron Horman investigation case file, which is also a scanned and searchable database.
    B

  35. rose says:

    I’m witb you ATG on the initial media hog and family Director “and his intrusion into the parents choices”.

  36. rose says:

    re “I am 100% confident for reasons I am not permitted to discuss publicly that the best chance Kyron Horman has of being recovered is if the FBI assumes jurisdiction in this case.” under RoseRed says:
    October 31, 2017 at 8:12 pm http://blinkoncrime.com/2016/09/21/dr-phil-show-hosts-missing-portland-child-kyron-hormans-step-mom-terri-horman-over-two-episodes/#comments
    Well, then, that reminds me of the theory a corrupt LE employee of a local LE agency who was in jeopardy inthe unfolding steroids plus whatever other drugs the Terri report promoted, followed by the probable Kaine cooperation, put in play. In the past facilitators for that theory (ie funeral) have been described.

  37. T. Ruth says:

    I can understand DY not requesting the FBI, because she is directly influenced by her husband who is a local cop. (Though I still don’t agree with it!) But I don’t understand Kaine not requesting the FBI take over the reins. I further don’t understand him keeping his daughter in that school, after knowing of the events that took place in Matthews classroom. Maybe they are looking at him RedRose, who knows?

  38. rose says:

    case resolution would put an end to both
    parents’ fundraising “for Kyron”. money
    does strange things.

  39. T. Ruth says:

    TMH brought up many questions about RSO’s as a possibility and initially she was told there “were none” in the area up to 5 miles and then told her within days every one of them had been interviewed and cleared. Shocker alert- untrue.

    ************
    No kidding, total BS. Staton’s ridiculous *unanswer* to that question posited to him by the O…..well it was obvious it hadn’t been done then anyway.

    I still wonder about this guy (he’s officially off the RSO list as of 2015), and moved to within 5 miles of Skyline on 11-18-10. (Haven’t a clue where he was living in June 2010, maybe someone else here can find it.) Timothy A. Park

    http://www.oregonlive.com/north-of-26/index.ssf/2010/11/registered_sex_offender_considered_predatory_moving_to_new_washington_county_home_authorites_say.html

    To be clear, I have no info re any potential for involvement in Kyron’s case on this individual, but I am 100% confident in some manner he will re-offend. He was a juvenile when he began offending and the age of his victims and his proclivity for either gender tell me he is a very high risk for re offending. It is beyond ridiculous for any agency to say that any person with his background and true victim count can complete “sex offender rehabilitation.” There is no such thing.

    B
    Weight: 200 lb (91 kg)
    Targets: Males and females between the ages of 1 and 7 years old.
    Methods of Offending: Mr. Park’s conviction consisted of him volunteering as a baby-sitter through his church and in a private home. He was convicted of abusing three minor children in 1993 and 1994; however Mr. Park has disclosed at least 20 known minor victims. Since his release from the institution, he graduated from college and is now attending graduate school in the Portland area.

    http://mugshots.com/US-Counties/Oregon/Marion-County-OR/Timothy-Andrew-Park.36083852.html

    Also has lived within 8 miles of the school. (Why on earth would LE stop at 5 miles anyway? Do they think these dudes don’t drive? Ridiculous again.)

  40. T. Ruth says:

    http://community.seattletimes.nwsource.com/archive/?date=19991019&slug=2989812

    This is btw, where he lived with his parents after getting out of prison. And the Russ Ratto listed here in Lake Oswego, who wanted him out of “HIS” neighborhood, I believe is also a MCDDA.

    Yes ma’am. Right as rain you are T.Ruth:

    http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2014/10/multnomah_county_da_assigns_ve.html

    I have looked into the idea that DA Ratto review Kyron’s case for “best practice” issues or overall fitness but he is confined to cases where charges are filed and in the due process queue. Seems to me best practice eval should take place prior to convening a special grand jury at a minimum. Especially when it’s the second and it was suspended more times than any other in Oregon history, but that’s just me.
    B

  41. T. Ruth says:

    This sicko has been hurting children since he was 6-7 years old & was “groomed” by his dead step dad, for LAPD Sgt Jack Rockett (he is where he belongs too) But, I know because Grace Rockett is my sister & Steven is my nephew. I tried years ago to turn Steven in but police said @ that time unless there was proof…nothing could be done! He assaulted all 3 of my children + may nieces & nephews! He had a way of putting the “Fear of God” in them that I cant explain! I believe his mother & ex-wife (especially his mom) should also be indicted because they knew what was going on. His mother knew for years but just always denied & protected him. He NEVER dated in school & that’s why he had to go to another country to “buy a bride” & pay her family for her! I was abused as a child & once that innocence is taken from you…you never get that back! He has hurt soooo many young children & only wish he had to pay for them to get the help they need. Many evidently were afraid to come forward! I home there were no suicides or harm to any of these children.Steven lived in Orange County, El Dorado County, & Santa Clara Couny (all of Calif) prior to moving to Oregon. No telling what harm he did in those counties! I hope he gets “passed around” in prison the way he passed himself off to to many young boys & girls. Believe me, I am not proud to say he’s my nephew & I hope the SOB rots in hell! He deserves what he gets & then some! Hope he’s passed around prison like a deck of used cards!

    http://www.oregonlive.com/forest-grove/index.ssf/2015/03/forest_grove_boogeyman_gets_ha.html

    I don’t recall seeing the newer comments (one of which is posted above) on the Rockett article at above link. Does anyone know when Rockett moved to Forest Grove? I recall photos of some unfinished huge home he was apparently having built, but I can’t find my old posts in that regard. Anywho, certainly not the first time we’ve seen where one’s mother is covering for a known sicko.

  42. T. Ruth says:

    O/T Speaking of cold cases.

    https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation-now/2017/11/02/detective-solves-1979-cold-case-murder-oregon-teen/828025001/

    They had the blood of her killer DNA profile since 1996. If I am her family I am asking wtf it took another 21 years- the issue here is what errors occurred to protract this case so long this man died in custody before charges could be brought.

    The dude was injured and bled all over the victim- what more do you need ftlog?
    B

  43. A Texas Grandfather says:

    Thanks for the off-topic link T.Ruth. To me after, reading the report, it is not so much off-topic. The victims sister was very persistent in pushing LE to continue working on the case. Just the opposite of what the bio parents have done in this case.

    The tools for forensics have expanded tremendously since 1979. This guy had a criminal record a yard long and yet he was able to move around the country and obtain work where he had contact with youths because of the simple fact that the crimes were local and there were only paper data trails that could not be searched from a distance.

    The concept of DNA as a tool did not exist in 1979. All they had were blood tests for type and fingerprints or plaster casts of footprints.

  44. rose says:

    ot Why is it pretty females are believed and Hispaic males in a gay context aren’t.
    http://www.oregonlive.com/politics/index.ssf/2017/11/former_portland_employee_accus.html
    His folly was thinking Portland leadership is liberal. Quite conservative about their own business interests & jobs. His problem is he needs an A1 employment attorney.

    If he is in the window of statute of limitations I agree.
    B

  45. rose says:

    You can’t tell me that DA Shrunk & the PPB
    Chiefs didn’t know of the Mayor’s foibles. .

    No, I could not as I have never inquired. I think historically we have established the State of Oregon generally and Multnomah/Portland specifically has been a hot mess as far as elected persons and their track records.

    Is it as bad as it looks on the surface in comparison to other states/muni’s? I don’t know that If I had the time or inclination to research that how I would go about it, lol. I do believe it has absolutely affected Kyron’s case.

    If there is a slug or otherwise icky creature under every rock I pick up- you can bet someone stops picking up those rocks.

    B

  46. T. Ruth says:

    T. Ruth says:
    November 2, 2017 at 11:43 am

    I agree with you rose, I think the DA’s office must be the “withholder”.

    Blink says:
    My information indicates it was MCSO. The DA has no authority do decide (investigatively) something like that and may not even be aware that was/is the case. I am aware of a few egregious errors I was told the DA’s office were not informed of before hand. A recent one was the Spicher debacle and was the reason Kravfe and Herron were removed as investigators.

    ************
    I know, but the DA had no authority to jump in the middle of a divorce case either, but did. I thought Kravfe was still in charge of Kyron’s case?? Speaking of DA’s interesting article here on DA’s across the country:

    https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2017/11/05/cyrus-vance-jr-americas-prosecutor-problem-215786

    (snipped)

    “Elected prosecutors might see a need to get out and explain their legal vision to voters if they ran in contested races, but, like Vance, they mostly do nothing of the kind. In 2016, according to research by Color of Change, 84 percent of elected prosecutors ran unopposed in the general election. That is not a typo. In the rare race where an incumbent faced a contest, the challengers won only 18 percent of the time.”

    Its my personal opinion the DA interjected (I say and OR statute agrees they had no standing) BECAUSE of the errors in the case. That said, the court allowed it- all the while never appointing a GAL for this missing little man.
    Unreal.
    B

  47. T. Ruth says:

    With all the worms (or snakes) coming to the surface in these huge celeb/politician sexual harassment cases opening up because of the “Me 2″ phenomenon that’s taken place in social media, it just further makes me wonder if Kyron was being sexually abused by someone with some sort of power. I mean, the cover-ups that have taken place over all these years is astonishing to me. From Cosby to O’Reilly to Weinstein to Spacey to “insert next name here”. IDK, the cover-ups boggle my mind. The creepy behavior doesn’t surprise me (as we’ve seen they’re everywhere), but the cover-ups holy crap!

  48. A Texas Grandfather says:

    The essay on District Attorney’s in T. Ruth’s link is interesting because it affects such a large portion of the Criminal Justice Systems.

    Appointed VS. elected leaves something to be desired in the manner of selection. The election method could be made more effective if the States term limited the District Attorney to no more than two four year terms and reduced the salaries so that the job becomes less attractive to those desiring a entire career in that office.

    Our founders recognized that it was important to the Republic at all levels to hire people with good values and public virtue. And, as Benjamin Franklin warned, keep the salaries low so that only people with proper motives to serve would be interested in the work.

    Keeping government small and effective where the people could observe the work was paramount. Today, it is too easy to hide bad or poor behavior in complexity or by the improper use of power.

    As a DA or prosecutor, any time one has an elected position – it makes what should absolutely be an A-political opinion or party-based position susceptible. Aramis Ayala, the DA in the 9th circuit in florida, after unseating Jeff Ashton (Casey Anthony) decided to announce she would not seek the death penalty in any eligible cases. In my view, and under FLorida statute this is an abuse of absolute discretion and Rick Scott removed her from prosecution of all homicide cases in her district. She is currently suing him as a result. This is one egregious example of how an elected public servant never mentions during her campaign she intended to take the dp off the table, but as soon as she gets into office, she has in effect rendered her office useless as to “the ends of justice”. DA’s are not legislative positions.

    Not intending to open up the death penalty debate. The issue is the terms v appointment of DA’s and we most certainly have seen that in Multnomah County. I am also on record that I do believe the potential for abuse of power is beginning to be addressed in the US by the some states revising statute to make prosecutorial misconduct a felony v misdemeanor.
    Responding to the potential for counterpoint that to a DA it did not matter if the act was a misdy v a felony, I would add that in OR the REQUIREMENT of the DA to inquire within the LEA providing the investigative discovery, to insure its burdens are being met- this was codefied within the revised law. That means (para) that a DA can’t claim they were unaware of info or evidence (about 90% of the complaints are brady violations) and put the issue back on LE-

    In my view, while it is probably going to be a difficult thing for a layperson to notice- I think the revised statute as a deterrent, and definitely as a defense “remedy” is already working. Two recent examples are Terri Horman’s misdemeanor trial in which she was acquitted, and also in San Bernardino county (Mike Ramos DA) the eight month corruption trial which resulted in multiple dismissals at the prosecution “rest” point, and 3 acquittals and one mistrial – so not a single conviction in a multi million dollar prosecution. Guess who is running for re election in 2018? http://www.joinmikeramos.com/news/

    Why are you so vested in this info you ask? Because both the DA (Ramos) prosecuting Chase Merritt (McStay) and the def counsel in the aformentioned case will be appearing before the same judge (Hon Michael Smith) this month in the McStay quadruple homicide case. There are ALREADY allegations of withholding discovery and non-return subpoenas in that case, among other problems. Im concerned.
    B

  49. rose says:

    Kantor, with big investments 4 a middle-class man, in real
    estate partnerships with a commercial developer,
    knew which side of his bread to butter. One supposes
    he knew present & future properties might need
    rezonings & variances. imo pretty good ballplayer
    tho without the athleticism.

    Well I certainly believe conflicts or potential perceived conflicts must be disclosed. That said, I am familiar with quite a few township solicitors who appear before judges in other matters so I assume it would have to be a pretty direct conflict.
    B

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